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Speaker 2: what Joe and Kelly Carson have done. As you just heard,

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 4: We're great, Thank you for having.

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Speaker 2: Us, Thank you for being here. Cool story. But let's

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Speaker 4: Well, I grew up in Arkansas where small town Corory, Arkansas.

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Speaker 3: It's actually in Bald nom.

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Speaker 4: Can I tell the story?

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Speaker 4: Our freshman year of college. We were a small school

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Speaker 1: If you want to know, let me out, Kelly.

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Speaker 4: that people don't even see you. And I literally got

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00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 4: off the phone and I looked at Joe and I

442
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: was sobbing, and I said, our son met me this

443
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: weekend in the streets of Chicago. Because I've done that.

444
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 4: I'm that person, I'm that lady. And so that for

445
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 4: me was probably the big thing. It just hit me hard,

446
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: and I thought, and we just began to pray, and

447
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 4: I just we both started talking and we said, life

448
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 4: has to change. I mean, we can't. I don't want

449
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 4: to be that person anymore.

450
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: And so all the books that he bought over the summer,

451
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Speaker 1: yeah to read. We went and bought a second copy,

452
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: and we started going through and their books some were

453
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: most were Christian authors, former social science, just understanding people

454
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: and where they are and where they come from, and

455
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 1: how their how their circumstances might might be different if

456
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: their background had been different, other opportunities had been different.

457
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: So we learned a lot.

458
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Speaker 2: I'm about to be Devil's advocate. Okay, it's required in

459
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: this conversation. I live in Memphis. I'm a Memphis guy.

460
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Speaker 2: My businesses on the river north of north of Saint

461
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Speaker 2: Jude about two and a half miles. So that's North Memphis,

462
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Speaker 2: New Chicago, Smoky City.

463
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Speaker 6: Law.

464
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Speaker 2: Uh, okay, now.

465
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Speaker 3: You do I.

466
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: Know. I live in Central Gardens, lovely neighborhood, lovely home,

467
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: surrounded by a whole lot. But Lisa and I are

468
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: not the let's run off to the suburb kind of people.

469
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: But steaks, you know, but steaks where you are. So

470
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: having said that, this is not from the perspective of

471
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: an urban night Okay. Routinely, nightly cars in our neighborhood

472
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: are often broken into almost always, if they're caught, they're homeless,

473
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: they're put in jail for a day or give an

474
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: immediate bond. They're back on the streets doing the same thing. Again.

475
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: That's not good for our that's bad for your society.

476
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: Some of the people that I run into at the

477
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: gas stations are habitual. I run to the same people

478
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: over and over again, and many of them are aggressive,

479
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: and oftentimes you can tell they are either high or drunk,

480
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: and some of them are scary. And I don't want

481
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Speaker 2: my wife in that position, nor do I want my

482
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Speaker 2: children in that position. To deal with that. I don't

483
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: think it does your city well or your tourism. Well,

484
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: when if you're going down any major thoroughfare in downtown

485
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: or any of the otteries leading to downtown, you see

486
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: people sleeping on bus benches and park benches are laid

487
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: in the grass on the side of the road. It

488
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: makes people feel uneasy and unsafe. It is unclean, and

489
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: it is a part of our society that exists that

490
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: in large part is wrought with problems. And I think

491
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: everything I said is fair and honest.

492
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: I agree, Okay, I agree, And again you're talking to

493
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, pull yourself up by your own bootstrap, guy,

494
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: So yes, I hear everything that you're saying.

495
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: Now to the other side, they're human beings. There's somebody's

496
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: son or daughter. Mental sickness runs rampant in this community,

497
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: and so I think most people in the middle of

498
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: the world. Certainly there's crazy people on both sides of

499
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: the issue, but most people recognize the two things I

500
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: just said, both sides. So did your son give you

501
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: any glimpse into how to balance those two worlds from

502
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: his experience?

503
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Speaker 4: Are you going to answer?

504
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: I'll defer.

505
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: First of all, I want to back up and just

506
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 4: say before we step into this world just for us.

507
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: And then I'm an answer a question. I assumed that

508
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: everyone who was homeless was there because they had drug problems,

509
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: mental health issues, alcohol problems, those type of things what

510
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: we have found, and certainly there's that, but many become

511
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: drug addicts or alcoholics after they land on the streets.

512
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 4: And it's not because they were that that they landed

513
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: on the streets. Something has happened to land them there.

514
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: And you know, when we lose hope, we give up,

515
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 4: and when we give up, we give in to the

516
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: circumstances around us. And we have found that to be

517
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: true for many a house that was a majority of it,

518
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: I would say a lot. Yeah. Now back to our

519
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: son Clay, he did not. I mean, I don't know

520
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: because it was just a weekend. Now, as far as

521
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: living in poverty, one thing he told us after that

522
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: we can Mom and dad, when you start this, like

523
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: when we got ready to start doing this ministry, he said,

524
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 4: please don't give out peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. He said,

525
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: I can't tell you how many homeless said that's all

526
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: we get. And he said, and from our perspective, we

527
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 4: want to say, well, you should be grateful but from

528
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: their perspective, you know, we have preferences as well. As

529
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: you said, we're humans, well, we all have likes and dislikes.

530
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Speaker 4: And just because I don't have a home doesn't mean

531
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Speaker 4: that I don't have preferences. And so I've learned. I

532
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: learned those types of things. I also learned that most

533
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 4: of us are one caring person away from success, whatever

534
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: that may be. And many times we all need somebody

535
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: to look us in the eye and say I believe

536
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 4: in you. And that's not happening with a lot of people.

537
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: And many times, especially in the world of the unhoused,

538
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: they come from generational poverty, they come from from broken homes. Yeah, yes,

539
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 4: very much, especially the young, especially young. We met so many,

540
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: We've met so many nineteen twenty year olds. I mean,

541
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: there's a young man here that calls me Mama every

542
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 4: time he sees me because he's living on the streets

543
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: and aged out of foster here. And so I think, yes,

544
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: what you're saying is true. I think for me, I

545
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: think they're I don't want to get political ornything, but

546
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: I think there's systemic issues surrounding that whole issue of homelessness,

547
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: even within our city. I will tell you it grieves

548
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: me to drive by empty buildings and I'm like, well,

549
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: you could build something here and bring people in and

550
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 4: house and there's a there's a shelter here, Calvary Rescue

551
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: Mission that is doing an incredible job of mentoring and

552
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 4: discipling men, and we're seeing such a huge success right

553
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 4: there of men who are finding homes, finding getting back

554
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: on their feet. Yeah, getting back on their feet. So

555
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: I think I get what you're saying. I totally get it.

556
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: But I also think that sometimes we can on this

557
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: side of that, those of us who do have homes,

558
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: do have jobs, are doing well, can let fear keep

559
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: us from stepping into the world of someone else? And

560
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: I think we want I just I think we miss

561
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: out when we do that, because our world has gotten

562
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: so much bigger. And I mean we're not perfect, and

563
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean there are times I'm walking around

564
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: sometimes and I'm like, oh, you know, I probably shouldn't

565
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: be here by myself, or I shouldn't be But I

566
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: think when you know you belong and you act like

567
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: you belong, there's a respect there, and there's a I

568
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 4: think the lines the walls come down and for the

569
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 4: most part. What we found is when someone knows, hey,

570
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: I really want to come alongside you, I'm not here

571
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: to give you a handout and then leave. I'm going

572
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 4: to keep coming back and I'm going to keep being

573
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: here for you.

574
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

575
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Speaker 4: We've had several homeless men, especially sleeping our home. Some

576
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: people tell us we're crazy.

577
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, matter of fact, there's a story one of our

578
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: other sons came home from college. He was in high

579
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: school at the time when all of this started, but

580
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: he had gone off to college and he came home

581
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: from college one I guess it was Christmas break maybe,

582
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Speaker 1: and he came in late, like almost midnight. By the

583
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Speaker 1: time he got home.

584
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 6: I kid walked into his bedroom, flipped on the light,

585
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 6: and the guy, Larry's about six or eight probably, and

586
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 6: he sat up straight in the bed when the light

587
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 6: turned on and scared my son.

588
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 4: And Larry has his own apartment now he's no longer.

589
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and I will say you mentioned well maybe

590
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: Kelly mentioned it, but something about coming alongside people again,

591
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: there's an assumption when when men and women lose their

592
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: humanity and their dignity, they give up trying and it

593
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: is it is it is a mindset, and so is

594
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: that a mental disability?

595
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

596
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Now, there are probably a percentage. I would say it's

597
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: probably below thirty percent that have a literal mental disability.

598
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: Most people don't. They're really sharp.

599
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: And I've asked many people on the street, what's your

600
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: greatest fear? And the answer I get back most of

601
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: the time is getting comfortable being homeless because somebody feeds you.

602
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: If you can scrape up three or six bucks, you

603
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: can get into bed, and you have nobody telling you what.

604
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: To do and no responsibility, and so.

605
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: You get used to that lifestyle.

606
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: And once you get used to that lifestyle, you just

607
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: give into it.

608
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: It's hard, it's an addiction. I mean it's hard to

609
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: It's like anything else. Once you become comfortable with something,

610
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: it's hard to break free.

611
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: But we spent seven we spent the first seven years.

612
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, we got it.

613
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're ahead of ourselves. But great conversation, interesting perspectives.

614
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: But let's go back. So you get another copy of

615
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: the books, and you're reading the books and you're thinking,

616
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: something's got to change your words. I think, ye, So

617
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: what does that change look like?

618
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't know.

619
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: We immediately dove into our church happened to be going

620
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: through a twenty one day fast, and so our we

621
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: decided that during this fast that we would literally fast,

622
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: and so we we did a real fast, and we prayed,

623
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: and we talked even amongst one another. Let's don't share

624
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: what we're hearing until it's over, because I don't I

625
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: don't want to hear from you and to hear from God.

626
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't want you to hear from me. I want

627
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 3: you to do. And so at the end of that.

628
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: Twenty one days, I had heard clearly one word that

629
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: just rang over and over and over in my spirit,

630
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: and it was the word unencumbered. Now that's not a

631
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: word I use regularly. It's not in my regular vocabulary.

632
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't use it anytime. A matter of fact, I

633
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: don't know that I've ever used that word in a

634
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: conversation other than when I described what I heard. Kelly

635
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: had had just a sense that she was standing on

636
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: the edge of a cliff.

637
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: It was time to jump. No say net, And.

638
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: So we put those two things together and we were like, Okay,

639
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: what's our safety net? And if God were to say

640
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: go to Ethiopia tomorrow. What would be keeping me from

641
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: answering that call? And so we looked at our lifestyle

642
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: and we thought, you know, the anchor.

643
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: You know, a dental.

644
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: Practice requires years to build. It's not something you walk

645
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: away from and just start. And it's not like you're

646
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: buying a Kentucky Fried Chicken. I can sell this one

647
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: and buy one in Nashville. Not that it's that easy,

648
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: So sorry, Sean Toy, but it's just one of those

649
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: things that requires a lot of time and a lot

650
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: of relationships.

651
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: It requires years to build.

652
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: It's not one of those things you walk away from either,

653
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: but it was the one thing that I couldn't walk

654
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: away from. My whole life was tied to it. My

655
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: financers were tied to it, my kid's college education was

656
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: tied to.

657
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: It, my own.

658
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Social level was tied to it, my ego was tied

659
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: to it, and so expectations of a lifestyle was tied

660
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: to it.

661
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: And so we didn't know what.

662
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: We just knew that, you know, hey, this might be

663
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: this might be the thing, this might be the safety

664
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: net for you, and it might be the thing that's

665
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: holding me back.

666
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: So I.

667
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Was like Abraham, right, just let's go. I wish I

668
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: could say that I was more like Gideon. I was

669
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: kind of hiding and I was throwing out fleece test. Okay, God,

670
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure this is really what you want, So

671
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: show me.

672
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you this test.

673
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: And so.

674
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: We just sat down wrote down a number. I said, Okay,

675
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: if I'm going to get the kids through college, that

676
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: was my one financial goal when I started dental school.

677
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: I just want to be able to pay for my

678
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: kids to go to college without borrowing money.

679
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: If I get the kids through college, this is the number.

680
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: That I would have to sell the practice for. And

681
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way it'll be worth this.

682
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: So I had three different companies come and do an

683
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: evaluation on how what I could sell my dental practice for.

684
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: All of them were within a ten thousand dollars range.

685
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: All of them were at least ten thousand dollars more

686
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: than the number I wrote down. Fleece test number one.

687
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Fleece test number two was how quickly can I sell it?

688
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: It takes a while to sell businesses.

689
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they told me, normally it takes about two

690
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: years to sell a business your size, So don't get

691
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: in a hurry. You need to keep making this much

692
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: producing this much income so that it is worth because

693
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: the value of the practice is worth how much you're

694
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: producing and so, and I was okay with that, but

695
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: it was this was the fall of two thousand and eight.

696
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: The banks have just now stopped lending money to anybody

697
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: because the whole system was crashing. And they said it

698
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: will probably probably be at least three years because nobody

699
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: because again, when you're buying a dental practice, you're buying

700
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: goodwill more than equipment. You're buying most most of the

701
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: cost of the practice is goodwill, and that's not the

702
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: bank can't take that money back, so they're not going

703
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: to loan anybody that money. And I was like, okay,

704
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: three years, we're good. I old us to be out

705
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: of college. My second one will be out of college,

706
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: my third one will be a senior by that time,

707
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: my fourth one will have started college. We'll save some money,

708
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: we'll get out of debt, we'll figure it out.

709
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: We'll make plans.

710
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: And three weeks later I got a call, Hey, we've

711
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: got somebody that.

712
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: Wants to buy your practice.

713
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: Three weeks three weeks, I was almost hyperventilating. I think

714
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, I was just like, what have

715
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 4: we done?

716
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Of excitement or fear?

717
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: Fear?

718
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: Just like, what have we done? We thought we had

719
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 4: two or three.

720
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: Years, you know, because we you know, I figured it

721
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: in two or three years, I will have figured out

722
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: what I'm.

723
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: Going to do next.

724
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: We had no plans, zero, no clue what we were

725
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: going to do next.

726
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: So it was it was crazy.

727
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 4: And ironically, we were in Chicago at a parent's weekend

728
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 4: with our son and when we got the phone call.

729
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she literally, I think she did start hyperventilating.

730
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: She sat down on the couch, I mean, on the

731
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: bed of the hotel room, just like, what are.

732
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: We going to do? Well?

733
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: It has to be because it's more than selling a business.

734
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: It's selling a lifestyle.

735
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 3: It's selling a lifestyle. It's exactly right. So we've got

736
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: friends in town.

737
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: You may know them, and I won't call them by

738
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: name because I don't know that I've got permission to

739
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: do so.

740
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: But they had they had sold.

741
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: Everything and taken their family and done mercy ships for

742
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: a year, and they were friends of ours. We had

743
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: done Bible study at their house for years, and so

744
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: I thought, hey, you know, maybe I could maybe that's.

745
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: What we could do.

746
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: So in the Mercy Ships, the community in Inglewood on

747
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: the south side of Chicago had a hospital and an

748
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: endust and care hospital, but they didn't have a dental clinic.

749
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 4: We thought about that, and so I talked.

750
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: Actually we went up there and looked at it, talked

751
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: to you know, the head of the hospital there, and

752
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: and about, you know, what would it take to put

753
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: a dental clinic here in Inglewood. So we we we

754
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: were exploring, like, okay, God, what do you got.

755
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: I just I want to do what you want to do.

756
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: But sometimes you know, he doesn't necessarily he just points

757
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: an arrow. He doesn't necessarily give you a destination. And

758
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: so so we were we were kind of scrambling. And

759
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: I guess about about eight weeks or so after, you know,

760
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: after I had closed on the practice and was no

761
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: longer working there, I'm driving her.

762
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: Nuts at the house. I mean.

763
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: She did.

764
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: She was like, you got to find a job, you

765
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 1: got to figure something out. And this was back when

766
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, we'd gone from hard I mean from floppy

767
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: disk the hard drives, and I literally went and bought

768
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: a CD rom on how to write a resume.

769
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: I had not written. I'd never written a resume.

770
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: It some business.

771
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean literally, I.

772
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Mean I twenty five years of running my own business.

773
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to I didn't and I had

774
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: no idea who.

775
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: I was going to send it to. It was crazy.

776
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: It was a pretty crazy season.

777
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: And what'd you do?

778
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 4: Well? We were actually at.

779
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: Wait, let me preface this, Okay, the only thing I

780
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: told God I would not do.

781
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: Is work for a church.

782
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: Really absolutely not. I'd been an elder and a deacon.

783
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm I know what goes on once

784
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: you get on the other side of the ministry. I

785
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: don't want to have to deal with all that.

786
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: Got it.

787
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: So, so we had some friends from our church, and

788
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: we were attending a large local church in Memphis at

789
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 4: the time, and we had some friends over. Just bring

790
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 4: your kids, let them jump in the pool, we'll grill out.

791
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: Just visit and so and realize or you don't realize this,

792
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: But let me back up. We had only been at

793
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 4: this church about less than a year, so we were

794
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: still getting to know people. We were, you know, kind

795
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 4: of dipping our toes in to serve some on the

796
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: weekends whatever. And so that this family came over, and

797
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: as we're sitting around the general dinner table, he was like, so,

798
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: what's the new with you guys, Because we didn't have

799
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: relationships in the church where we were going in telling people.

800
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 4: Now we had prayer partners, family, other people that had

801
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: been praying with us and.

802
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 3: Told us that we were nuts.

803
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, we did have one tell us we're crazy. Well,

804
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 4: but you know.

805
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 2: They're right, You're right.

806
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 4: So and it was it was kind of like, you say,

807
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: we've done this. We told her, what are you going

808
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: to do? Well, we don't know. We're waiting on God,

809
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 4: and I mean people kind of look at you like

810
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: you're crazy, you know. So we have this couple over

811
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: he was like, hey, what's new with you guys? And

812
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 4: I looked at Joe and thought, are you going to

813
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 4: tell him? Because we haven't really told him, We haven't

814
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 4: said a lot. Well, Joe told him, well, we actually

815
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 4: sold the general practice about six weeks or so ago,

816
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: and we don't know what we're going to you know.

817
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 4: That was that we went on, had a great evening.

818
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 4: A couple of days later, we were actually at our

819
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 4: church and we're walking through the auditorium and the lead

820
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 4: pastor comes walking through and he said, Hey, guys, Dan

821
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 4: kind of told me a little bit about what's going

822
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 4: on with you. I'd love to hear more you guys

823
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: free this week. I'd loved you. So we ended up

824
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: going in talking with them, and by the end of

825
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 4: that conversation, they're like, we'd like to invite you to

826
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: join our staff and lead our outreach into the community.

827
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 4: We really feel like we're supposed to be doing this.

828
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: We haven't had anyone to do this, and so we

829
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: get and I was kind of like, can we pray

830
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 4: about it, because I knew what he had said about

831
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: but we get in the car. Long story short, we

832
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 4: decided to do that. Started out with literally went and

833
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 4: traded one of our vehicles, bought a truck because for

834
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 4: some reason we thought to do community outreach we needed

835
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: a pickup truck, and we did and we used it.

836
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 4: And we started with literally going to Panera one day

837
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: a week, taking everything they had left over from the

838
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 4: day because they bake their bread fresh every day and

839
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 4: give it away at the end of the opener Hannah,

840
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 4: and buying some bottles of water, and started going down

841
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 4: to Morse Park in downtown Memphis, where we knew a

842
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 4: lot of the inn house would gather anna, let me

843
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: back up. Sorry, we did do that. But before that,

844
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 4: we went down to one of our large missions, one

845
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: of our shelters. One day during lunch, they let us

846
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 4: come in and I just started walking around to the tables,

847
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 4: meeting the men there and saying, Hey, if we wanted

848
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: to do something for you, what is something you need

849
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: Because we didn't want to reinvent the wheel. We didn't

850
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 4: want to do what everybody else is doing. There's no

851
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: reason to do that, and they said we have to

852
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 4: be out of the shelter. I think at that time

853
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 4: it was like at five am. And we never get

854
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 4: breakfast like people. We always have lunch, we always have dinner,

855
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 4: we never have breakfast. So we decided we'll do breakfast,

856
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: then we'll go down once a week, and so we started.

857
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 4: We would sit in our kitchen on Wednesday evenings after

858
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 4: we pick up bens of Panera and the two of

859
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 4: us and our then high school son and our now

860
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: daughter in law who was dating our son that was

861
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 4: a mission year at the time. We would bag it

862
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 4: all up, get up the next morning, drive to Mors Park.

863
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: The four of us started mining people to come with us. Anyway,

864
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 4: that was really how we began and it wasn't it

865
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 4: cost us nothing but our time, you know, Ana. And

866
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: then we started cooking a hot breakfast. We'd get about

867
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 4: four am and cook and had some ladies that wanted

868
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: to cook and turned into that and we began building relationships.

869
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 4: And one thing we would do and we would tell

870
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: volunteers or anyone that came with us, we are not

871
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 4: serving a meal. We are sharing a meal. And so

872
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 4: we would sit and eat with volunteers.

873
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Could they could plate three plates of food, but then

874
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: they had to make one for themselves and go sit

875
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 1: with the three guys that they.

876
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 4: Just or women or whoever it was. And so we

877
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: just began doing that and began really building relationships. And

878
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: I think for us, one of the winds was a

879
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: few months and at three months and maybe it was

880
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 4: pouring down rain one Thursday morning, I mean it was

881
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 4: pouring down rain, and so we're like, we really thought

882
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: should we go? Should we not? Is Eve Bathing going

883
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 4: to be there? And we thought, you know what, we're

884
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 4: going to go. We said we were going to be there,

885
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 4: so we're going to go. And we went and there

886
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: were a few men huddled under the awning of a

887
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 4: little store down there, and one of them came running

888
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 4: out to the truck and he said, they said you

889
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 4: wouldn't show up, and I told them you'd be here.

890
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: I told them you'd be here. And for us, for

891
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 4: one thing, that was a lesson for us that we

892
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: when we say we're going to do something, we need

893
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 4: to do, you know. And for us that was a

894
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 4: big deal because so many times in the world of poverty,

895
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 4: we can tend to make promises and not keep them,

896
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 4: and that further traumatizes the ones where I think we want,

897
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 4: we want to help, and yet we just add to

898
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 4: the disappointment and the frustration or the you know, discouragement we.

899
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 3: Seet in the nonprofit world.

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00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Somebody will help for two years in one area and

901
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: then they'll stop. And again, you you're creating, you're helping

902
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: reinforce the mindset of people don't really care about us.

903
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: They're just we'll just take whatever you've got to give

904
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: and we'll run with it, because you really don't.

905
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: Care about us.

906
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: Well. And I remember someone saying to us early on,

907
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: one of the men who were in the streets, and

908
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 4: he said, you know, he said, thank you for coming

909
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 4: every week, because he said everybody wants to come at

910
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving and Christmas, but they forget there three hundred and

911
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 4: sixty three other days of the year.

912
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to evoke the turkey person's story now

913
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: because our listeners have probably a whole heard it. Yeah,

914
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 2: do you know the turkey person's story?

915
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 3: Oh? No, but I mean I've heard a lot. Listen.

916
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: We we've got outreach friends all over the country and

917
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: they run into the same problem. One person will go

918
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: and get eight turkeys and then sell them to his neighbors.

919
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: That's what the story was on a billboard last Thanksgiving.

920
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 4: Oh no, I don't know that story.

921
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: After this, look it up.

922
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: Okay, for those of you, I want to hear it now.

923
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 4: I want to hear it.

924
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: I just don't want to waste time with listeners. Have

925
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: heard it twenty times, all right, those of you have

926
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: heard it, just bear with us. Four minute and thirty

927
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: we need to hear it. My first year at Manassas,

928
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: we were three and three. I inherited a team that

929
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: won four games. In ten years there were four and

930
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: ninety five. So my first year at three and three,

931
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: I think three and three is pretty average. But when

932
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: you've won four games in ten years. The kids were

933
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: kind of into three and three raised money for new equipment,

934
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: and we were winning ball games and you know, doing

935
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: a lot of work with the kids, and so they

936
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: were buying in. So every kid was yes or no, sir,

937
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: all into the football. It was clear when we first

938
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: got to Banasas that there were other things we had

939
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: to coach and teach. Character, perseverance, the dignity of hard work,

940
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: the value of being on time, basic fundamentals attendants. So

941
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: we started coaching those two. Now the whole team is

942
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: buying into football, but the one half the team was

943
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: buying into that important stuff. The other half the team

944
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: although yes or no sir on the football field, the

945
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: football was over. They were back in the streets engaging

946
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: the same behavior that got them metaphorically to four ninety

947
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: five in life. So it frustrated me. So I went

948
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: to my guy. Every coach has a guy. He said, Hey, man,

949
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: what do I got to do to get that half

950
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: the team to buy in an important stuff like you're

951
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 2: alf the team. I appreciate everybody's yes or no certain

952
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: buyding in football, but this is more than just football.

953
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: This is about life and some things that will serve

954
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: you long after the days of playing football are over.

955
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: And I want the old team to buy an important stuff.

956
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: And everybody's buying a football, but only halfy of you

957
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: buying an important stuff. What do I got to do

958
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 2: to get those guys to buy in? And he looked

959
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: at me. And this is a guy who we had

960
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: a lot of real conversations, but on this when he

961
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: looked at me, and you have kids, so you know

962
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 2: the dismissive tone. I just keep doing what you're doing, coach,

963
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, man, real talk, he said, Coach,

964
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt your feelings. I said, You're

965
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: not going to hurt my feelings. Why can't I get

966
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: hat half team to buy in like your team? He said, Coach,

967
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: to figure out if you're a turkey person or not.

968
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Speaker 2: And I said, what are you talking about? He said, Coach.

969
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: Every thanksgiving them Christmas people rolling to my neighborhood and

970
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: they give us ham and gifts and turkeys, and we

971
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: take them because we ain't got none. But then they

972
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: leave and we never see them again. Makes you wonder

973
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 2: if they're doing that because they really care about us,

974
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: or they're doing that to make themselves feel good. Absolutely,

975
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 2: and then he looked me dead in eyes and he said, really, coach,

976
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: what the hell are you doing down here? Man? Wow.

977
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: So when you talk about the things that you're talking about,

978
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 2: understand I identify. Yeah, absolutely understand that. On this show

979
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 2: for the last eighteen months, we have gone as far

980
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: as putting a billboard in Tomes Square that says, don't

981
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: be a Turkey person. I have been on I was

982
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: on the Kelly Clarkson Show telling the story last Thanksgiving.

983
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 4: Wow.

984
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: So I get it. I completely get what you're saying,

985
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: because actually, I think it can be more detrimental to

986
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: show up and leave than to not ever set up.

987
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 4: The first place.

988
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and again, if you haven't experienced it at the

989
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: depth of a relationship, you haven't experienced it enough to

990
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: know the difference.

991
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Speaker 2: And that concludes Part one of my conversation with Kelly

992
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: and Joe Carson, and you do not want to miss

993
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: part two that's now available to listen to as they're

994
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: about to dive into their extraordinary nonprofit, the Memphis Dream Center. Together, guys,

995
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: we can change this country, but it starts with you.

996
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: I'll see in part two