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Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the
Speaker 1: Star in Friscola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brothers, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome into Talking Cowboys on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. That is kind of like a Wednesday Thursday normally,
Speaker 1: Mick both together? Is that correct? Great Wednesday? Yeah, tomorrow's
Speaker 1: Friday and there's no Saturday. That's right, a great Wednesday Thursday.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kent. That's Kent Garrison producing, next door, Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips hosting for Bill Jones. Mickey Spagnola next to me
Speaker 1: at my right, steal Brian brought us. We'll be here
Speaker 1: shortly in a moment. We'll get what Brian brought us.
Speaker 1: That's right. Unfortunately, Bill Jones is having to cover the
Speaker 1: Adrian Belgira retirement announcement today. Breaking news. Huh, not just
Speaker 1: breaking cowboys news. Bill Jones is responsible for all sports
Speaker 1: in the DF It's breaking heart news. I mean, how
Speaker 1: much fun did you have watching Adrian Beldira played baseball?
Speaker 1: A lot? But you know you got to celebrate his career,
Speaker 1: and I think he's probably a sure fire Hall of Famer, right,
Speaker 1: I want to see him keep playing. Yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: a great ranger. Huh yeah, I know. Yeah, he's broken
Speaker 1: down the body, But just watching him, I wish they
Speaker 1: would have traded him last year to the Dodgers or
Speaker 1: some team. Give him a chance to get into the
Speaker 1: World Series, do him a favor. I'm not sure he
Speaker 1: wanted to go, tell you the truth, You're probably right.
Speaker 1: He probably only wants to be a Ranger. He's already
Speaker 1: said he if he gets to the Hall, he's wearing
Speaker 1: a Ranger hat. He's a Texas Ranger at heart. And
Speaker 1: I mean there was some loyal there, but it was
Speaker 1: just so much fun. And I was just telling the
Speaker 1: guys I think, can't hurt me. He was. He was
Speaker 1: one of those guys that you would watch the game
Speaker 1: just to watch him play, no matter what the team
Speaker 1: was doing. And I would always if I knew he
Speaker 1: was getting one more at bat, I would stay for
Speaker 1: that at bat just to watch because you just never
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen. Yeah, he was too
Speaker 1: much fun, And you're right, he's kind of Dirk like
Speaker 1: in that oil to his team, and I think he's
Speaker 1: getting in the Hall of Fame. He'd never got a
Speaker 1: World Series ring. He was one strike away. Sorry Rangers fans,
Speaker 1: did you see that Michael Young got on the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame ballot? I do, Yeah, excellent, I'd vote him
Speaker 1: in a lot of great er Yeah, and Beltray kind
Speaker 1: of carried over that tag as well. I didn't think
Speaker 1: we'd be talking to Texas Rangers to start today's show up.
Speaker 1: But you never know. You never know. That's why Bill
Speaker 1: Jones is not here, is exactly why I'm build in
Speaker 1: the Dallas for Worth area. That's right, he's handling that
Speaker 1: for CBS eleven, not because he stayed up too late
Speaker 1: Thursday night or Monday night football, whatever night it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but forever, let's let's touch on that after the first break.
Speaker 1: Let's just let's get into some Cowboys and then we'll okay,
Speaker 1: because I stayed up for that too. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you. I thought my wife was a big NFL fan,
Speaker 1: and she is, but she she couldn't take any more
Speaker 1: of it, and she's not even working this week. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: this is the best game I've ever seen. Well, this
Speaker 1: this is the worst part. I taped it, and I
Speaker 1: didn't start watching it till like eight thirty, even though
Speaker 1: I was fast forwarding all through the commercials and halftime
Speaker 1: and end of the quarters. I think I finished watching
Speaker 1: it at twelve thirty, maybe twelve thirty. And it's a
Speaker 1: good thing that when I taped it, I put on
Speaker 1: an extra show afterwards, because I would have been out
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. It was something Hi Brian, Hi, guys
Speaker 1: saw him a little late on this program. You're fine,
Speaker 1: like you can't. I thought that was a terrible game
Speaker 1: last night. Let's hold on to it because I think
Speaker 1: it's a good discussion. Okay, I know we need to
Speaker 1: get in some Cowboys. It was. It was Highlight Park
Speaker 1: versus Alan. I thought it was a terrible football. We've
Speaker 1: talked Texas Rangers right off the top, because we've explained
Speaker 1: why Bill's not here. Okay, so let's get it yeast
Speaker 1: into that. Absolutely, let's get into some Cowboys real quick.
Speaker 1: All right, back to practice. It's gonna be a light practice.
Speaker 1: I would imagine a shorter practice than normal. Yes, a
Speaker 1: normal Wednesday, whatever you want to call today. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: getting set for Thanksgiving Day. Cowboys Redskins a shaff first
Speaker 1: place at stake for Dallas if they can beat the
Speaker 1: Redskins and get to six and five on the season.
Speaker 1: We got some injury news last night. Jason Garrett had
Speaker 1: a late press conference, did a lot of injuries to
Speaker 1: update as they get back to practice. I'm gonna kind
Speaker 1: of throw that to Mick and Jeff Swaim is is
Speaker 1: the headliner coming out of last night's news. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: unfortunately the injury report didn't come out till almost when
Speaker 1: the press half time of the over. Yeah, right, So
Speaker 1: we didn't have we didn't have an opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: to Jason about it on the record, but he was
Speaker 1: able to address it on the walk off that Jeff
Speaker 1: Swain broke a bone in his wrist late in the
Speaker 1: game on that last drive when you're dove for the
Speaker 1: ball by the We got a chance to watch it
Speaker 1: last night after the press conference, since the press conference
Speaker 1: didn't start to like six forty five or something like that.
Speaker 1: And he's having surgery, I believe today. Is that what
Speaker 1: he said right today? It probably gonna or was it yesterday.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he had it already this week,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna insert a couple of screws in there
Speaker 1: to facilitate the healing of the bone, and you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in a cast, so I can't imagine
Speaker 1: he's playing for three or four weeks. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of hard to catch the ball when you have a
Speaker 1: real cast on there. So yeah, they'll be without um.
Speaker 1: Without Jeff Swain, who's you know, been pretty good for sure.
Speaker 1: The lack of experience he had coming into this and
Speaker 1: what he's done so far. Now you're handing off the
Speaker 1: three guys who are playing in the NFL for basically
Speaker 1: the first time in their lives this season. How do
Speaker 1: you size it up, Brian, Because, like Mickey said, Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: rookie Rico's finding his way as a young player. Blake
Speaker 1: Jarlin's a young player. They did this for a game,
Speaker 1: I think the Tennessee game. And that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Jeff Swain playing through a sprain need these last few weeks,
Speaker 1: he's been banged up. How do they manufacture production out
Speaker 1: of this young group now going for at least for
Speaker 1: a few weeks. And Micky's right about the assessment of
Speaker 1: what Jeff Swain. Let's not forget special team stuff. That
Speaker 1: he does as well, so you have to You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to account for his loss, and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's is a big loss. It's a significant loss because
Speaker 1: of the things. You know, he has such a feel.
Speaker 1: These young guys don't have a feel yet of how
Speaker 1: to really block at the point of attack, and I
Speaker 1: mean blocking away where body positioning, hand positioning, the way
Speaker 1: to work your hips, the way to try and seal
Speaker 1: the guy inside, you know, the tricks of the trade.
Speaker 1: You know, at least Jeff Swain has gone through that.
Speaker 1: Now we're into a week eleven of the season, right
Speaker 1: and we've had preseason games and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: it's time for Dalton Schultz. It's time for Rico Gathers.
Speaker 1: We've seen some improvement from Rico Gathers. The guy that
Speaker 1: seems to be kind of lacking behind is Blake Jarwin.
Speaker 1: That's the one that kind of gets you a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you had to rank how the tight ends are
Speaker 1: going to play it out, I think you would go
Speaker 1: with Rico Gathers, you would go with Jeff Swain's gonna
Speaker 1: be with Dalton Schultz, and then go with Blake Jarwin,
Speaker 1: you know, and You're gonna have to find some combination now, Mickey,
Speaker 1: Mickey's gonna Crystal bald this. I was almost positive he
Speaker 1: was going to say, let's use Cam Fleming is the
Speaker 1: extra blocker. If we have to have an extra blocker.
Speaker 1: Mickey did a great job telling you they're gonna play
Speaker 1: a three man front on early in the week, and
Speaker 1: it worked out. They played three man front. So I
Speaker 1: was ready for Mickey to come in here and tell me, Okay,
Speaker 1: they use camp Flemming a little bit more in this,
Speaker 1: you know, or use an extra blocker, get an extra
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Do you think an extra wide receiver? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well there you go. Yeah, and that's and and maybe
Speaker 1: and maybe instead of playing uh, you know, with twelve
Speaker 1: personnel becomes uh Gathers and Schultz less thirteen personnel, now
Speaker 1: eleven personnel. You're gonna have to figure out. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: this is where Mickey is going down the right path.
Speaker 1: Maybe then it turns into ten personnel where you add
Speaker 1: that extra wide receiver, where all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: you get all the guys on the field with the
Speaker 1: exception maybe Lance Lenore, you know, maybe you go with
Speaker 1: the with multiple wide receivers, you get to spread people
Speaker 1: out a little bit more, and then you go that way,
Speaker 1: they could also play a little bit more. Twenty one personnel.
Speaker 1: We saw that. We saw them. Yeah, we saw them
Speaker 1: open up the game that way. So the loss of
Speaker 1: of of swaying significant. The options you have not terrible,
Speaker 1: uh so, because you've kind of really put patched work
Speaker 1: this thing together at tight end all year. You know,
Speaker 1: you you went out and you got a big time receiver.
Speaker 1: You know, to have a draft or free agency to
Speaker 1: go out and get you potentially a big time tight end.
Speaker 1: You know, when they were using and I think Jason
Speaker 1: mentioned this maybe when we were walking off twenty one personnel,
Speaker 1: they were using Rico as the tight end right, and
Speaker 1: you know, so you get a full back and a
Speaker 1: bigger tight end maybe if you're in running situations instead
Speaker 1: of going two tight ends. Yeah. One of the big
Speaker 1: runs they had in the Philly game, if you remember,
Speaker 1: it was a nice turnout block by that that Elliott
Speaker 1: took front side to his right. They got a good
Speaker 1: block inside from Ola Wally and it allowed it allowed
Speaker 1: Elliott to cut behind it and then you had Rico
Speaker 1: turn his guy out and it get a nice little
Speaker 1: gap in there, so you know, maybe things for Rico
Speaker 1: are improving, you know mentally that he can Okay, I
Speaker 1: can do this, I can I could cut off the backside.
Speaker 1: I could. I'm two hundred and sixty pounds. I could
Speaker 1: push this outside linebacker. And it's gonna be really important
Speaker 1: this week end because I remember last week in the
Speaker 1: Cowboy or the last time the Cowboys played the Redskins,
Speaker 1: it really didn't establish the point of attack very well,
Speaker 1: you know, and that means established inside very well. But
Speaker 1: what were they doing on the edges? You know they
Speaker 1: were they were having trouble, you know, with Ryan Kerrigan
Speaker 1: and Preston Smith and then also swearings you're coming down,
Speaker 1: so you know, you better kind of figure out some things.
Speaker 1: How do we get big bodies that could push turn
Speaker 1: and give it Ezekiel Elio at the opportunity to make
Speaker 1: a cut or two. You mentioned Ola Wally, they're fullback
Speaker 1: and he's done. He's done a nice job. I think
Speaker 1: these last couple of games better, yes, a better juice,
Speaker 1: better job of sealing things and opening things up for
Speaker 1: Zeke in the running game. So that's an option. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Jumbo Cam right Mac, He's an option too. I
Speaker 1: guess you could go kind of through a nice block down.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. He did. He came in the game
Speaker 1: and he on Zeke's twenty three yard touchdown run. It
Speaker 1: was him and you know him playing for Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: at right tackle, you know, slips inside second level gets
Speaker 1: on you know, now, I don't know how much slipping
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to do. This redskinned front.
Speaker 1: That that's they're They're compromised on their offensive line, but
Speaker 1: their defensive line is still what we know it is is.
Speaker 1: And so that's where this key for the Cowboys is
Speaker 1: we start to break this thing down a little bit further.
Speaker 1: How do you account for their defensive line? How do
Speaker 1: you account for their linebackers ability to run? Those are
Speaker 1: going to be the if you if you want to
Speaker 1: establish yourself and go for the balance and go for
Speaker 1: what you saw a little bit in that game the
Speaker 1: other day where Ezekie Elliott had well over two hundred
Speaker 1: yards of total offense. You know, I think it's going
Speaker 1: to have to come that. You've got to find a
Speaker 1: way to block that front the way the way it is.
Speaker 1: And let's remember in the first time around, it was
Speaker 1: fifteen carries for thirty three yards yeah, and along of
Speaker 1: six yeah for Ezekiel Elliott. So they had very little
Speaker 1: luck running as a word you used to Yeah, no
Speaker 1: tracksh guys in the middle. Uh, they kind of hurt them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure to hurt them bad. So, um, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna assume we're gonna see see sue a Filo in
Speaker 1: there still. Uh. And then this is after the change
Speaker 1: in the offensive line coach, which this team has played
Speaker 1: more physical. Now, kit if they are playing more physical,
Speaker 1: can they handle those two big guys? Can they handle
Speaker 1: the University of Alabama inside? It's it's a problematic thing
Speaker 1: for college football in general to have to deal with
Speaker 1: you over s Alabama. But now it's becoming a problematic
Speaker 1: in the National Football League where you have you have
Speaker 1: those two and you know Payne, you know, I went
Speaker 1: back and watched Zack Martin against uh durn Payne. Was
Speaker 1: a good matchup, was I mean it was it was okay,
Speaker 1: you were you were fifty fifty on that one is
Speaker 1: the other spot. It was the other spots that they
Speaker 1: were struggling with that they really didn't get that they
Speaker 1: didn't get the type of a push or security And
Speaker 1: you know this will be, like Mickey says, this will
Speaker 1: be the test if you want to be fifteen for
Speaker 1: thirty three might lose this football game. Yeah, I better
Speaker 1: figure out that. It's going to be a tough game inside,
Speaker 1: but you better figure out a way to kind of
Speaker 1: make a game of a positive yards run in the
Speaker 1: football Dak was under a lot of arrests in that
Speaker 1: game as well. It's two those ends in the passing game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Karrigan's a tough block. He mentioned Preston Smith. Yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: that was a tough game for Connor Williams too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and we've talked about it. They think he's
Speaker 1: got a bright future, but he has struggled with really
Speaker 1: the whole line. Yeah, the whole line. It was not
Speaker 1: just yeah and you're right, Yeah, I see we're going here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, big guy, powerful guys up front, the Kuan
Speaker 1: Shorts in this league, that kind of thing. That was
Speaker 1: rookie on rookie there, and that was tough for him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see. You mentioned Suahila. We'll see if he sticks
Speaker 1: in the starting lineup. Obviously the results have been good
Speaker 1: with him at left guard. I'm gonna just go out
Speaker 1: and just throw it out. I'm gonna say he's gonna
Speaker 1: start just because of the short week and they and
Speaker 1: I think Connor Williams is going to continue to practice.
Speaker 1: I think Connor Williams practice for you last week. But
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen this team when they've had some success,
Speaker 1: you know, the front of the pocket. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that Sue Philo is Larry Allen. I'm just saying though,
Speaker 1: he gives you a little bit bigger body inside, and
Speaker 1: when you have to run through him, you having to
Speaker 1: run through a big body, and he's a little bit easier.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit easier for him to sit down quickly.
Speaker 1: I know you evaluated him pretty heavily coming out of
Speaker 1: the draft, CLA. Yeah, because Zach was the pick in
Speaker 1: the first round and Sophila was an early second round option.
Speaker 1: I think he went a pick before d Law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely right, right, yeah. Um. He was known as
Speaker 1: pre athletic guy coming out of UCLA two incredible athlete
Speaker 1: and for his size, seeing a little bit of that
Speaker 1: in terms of the pulling and stuff like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you see him walk in the locker room? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I mean a chore Yeah, I mean, he's not He's
Speaker 1: not Connor Williams in terms of athleticism, I mean, and
Speaker 1: and he can get out. And anybody ever figured out
Speaker 1: what happened like in Houston? Why a guy that started
Speaker 1: that many games? Yeah, just because because there's guys like
Speaker 1: me that are idiots. There's scouts that are idiots, they're
Speaker 1: front office guys that are idiots. There's there's there's scheme changes,
Speaker 1: there's coaching changes, there's well, he wasn't what we thought
Speaker 1: he was, you know, kind of we we we've had
Speaker 1: that happen here to Mickey, I think we just a
Speaker 1: can him. They didn't can and they let him walk. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Tennessee cut him after preseason. Well so yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean a couple of different spots. We saw Tennessee's line
Speaker 1: wasn't terrible in that game that we played. So but
Speaker 1: I understand Mickey, but I'm gonna take I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: the approach that that was a bad miss because he's
Speaker 1: a guy that's we've seen, he's a very capable backup.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were all sitting there on paper thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: beat Philly, I don't know, beat Atlanta and I really
Speaker 1: don't know and all of a sudden, he's kind of
Speaker 1: in the lineup and he's helping you. Now, maybe things
Speaker 1: have opened up because of what the receiver's done. Maybe
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks get a little bit more protection. I'd like
Speaker 1: to believe that the putting him in the lineup has
Speaker 1: given him a little bit more power insight. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying a perfect player, because Connor Williams has had moments
Speaker 1: where he's been very good. Yes, yeah, But but all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you found something magically and it might
Speaker 1: be again, it might be Scott Linahan has a better
Speaker 1: hand to deal with plays. And maybe your quarterback's coming
Speaker 1: around a little bit. And this receiver that you made
Speaker 1: a significant offer for has has helped you too. But
Speaker 1: something's working, something working, and I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I will take the approach again that scouts are generally idiots,
Speaker 1: and I include myself in the idiot part of that,
Speaker 1: you know, and the other thing, And gosh, I wish
Speaker 1: I could remember. I think it was Zeke that said this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Dak, but they were
Speaker 1: talking about the running game of late and it was
Speaker 1: after the game Sunday, and he said, we got back
Speaker 1: to some of the old runs that were successful for
Speaker 1: Zeke said it. He basically said, we got back to
Speaker 1: our old stuff. Yeah, he said, We've got linemen that
Speaker 1: have been doing their job well for five or six years,
Speaker 1: and we've just gotten back to what we do. And
Speaker 1: I wonder if he meant the types of runs or
Speaker 1: how the style of the run is with Colombo. Yea
Speaker 1: offense if you're you're onto something here make it was
Speaker 1: definitely a compliment to Colombo. How about how many times
Speaker 1: did we see in that game and you guys were
Speaker 1: there live and I was watching here at the Star,
Speaker 1: But how many times did you see Zeke patient? Patient?
Speaker 1: And he's just waiting. He's waiting for that, He's waiting
Speaker 1: for that combo block between between between Looney and Martin,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, what happens. Martin reads
Speaker 1: the reads the linebacker and goes right up on it
Speaker 1: and and and he he that's what they were able
Speaker 1: to do. Now we'll see how patient he gets to
Speaker 1: be this week, you know, I mean this that will
Speaker 1: be that will be a big I don't know what
Speaker 1: Clared jerseys were wearing this week, and we were in
Speaker 1: blue and we were I don't know it all right.
Speaker 1: It might be a wall of white or a wall
Speaker 1: of burgundy, you know, and you got to figure that out.
Speaker 1: You know. Those guys were getting penetration by sure, yes,
Speaker 1: and and you know, and you got and they were
Speaker 1: not going to let Dallas run the football. That that
Speaker 1: was That was very evident, the way that DJ Sweringer
Speaker 1: was playing. And now they've added Clinton, you know, or haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton dicks to this to this thing too, so he
Speaker 1: could play down as well. So they've got two legitimate
Speaker 1: safeties that can actually help play in the run. No question.
Speaker 1: They got beat up front in that game. And look
Speaker 1: they made the change for Colombo right with that following
Speaker 1: bye week. The attitude has got to be doing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of different guys come up to me,
Speaker 1: you know, late walking out the building the parking lot,
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, we're a different football team with
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo as our coach. We're a different football team.
Speaker 1: And I and I up front with the ola. Absolutely
Speaker 1: he goes there, he goes, watch prac if he goes
Speaker 1: if you can watch practice, you could even see we're
Speaker 1: a different football team. Well that's where it's going to
Speaker 1: be decided. And you get another one that might be
Speaker 1: what's the status of Smith? Did the owner come out
Speaker 1: and say this morning he felt like a teaser teacher,
Speaker 1: teaser teaser and we need to get into Michael Gallup.
Speaker 1: Also Michael Gallup situation as well, very unfortunate with his family.
Speaker 1: Let's touch on that on the other side of talking
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Speaker 1: in Now we'll just call Stacy. Yeah, yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1: How about that? I might hey where she's going? Yeah?
Speaker 1: If if I want to wait, I might rally the
Speaker 1: fans to get out there. We might have a little
Speaker 1: fun out there in the old party line. Sure, why not, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you know, we get some light out there. Good time.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be big time man. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: had it out in del Mar and okay, that friend
Speaker 1: out there and it was a beautiful location. It was Delmar.
Speaker 1: You got the beach out there, right, Okay. I think
Speaker 1: bon Jovi will play this thing. Oh hey, I'd be there,
Speaker 1: given a little connection that they have to the organization.
Speaker 1: Do you think so? Yeah? This Philadelphia Eagles aren't doing
Speaker 1: very well right now, he'll be he'll be available. Yeah.
Speaker 1: With a country western guy come out of retirement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: George straight, George straight, Thank you. Charlotte Jones Anderson will
Speaker 1: not no, no, this is gonna be worth. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be worth. She will deliver the goods on We will.
Speaker 1: We will. We will have a post draft meeting out there,
Speaker 1: no question. We will have some fun, all right. Uh.
Speaker 1: We left things at the injury front for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: at the last break, Tyrann Smith is status in question
Speaker 1: a little bit. What do you think? I think he's
Speaker 1: good to go? Jerry Jerry gave him the good bit
Speaker 1: of health and good doctor Joe bill of health. This
Speaker 1: morning on his segment on the plane, Tyrne said, I'm good,
Speaker 1: no problem. So the only thing that concerned me is
Speaker 1: last time somebody had a stinger and he still worry
Speaker 1: about it, worry about it reoccurring. But yeah, and there's sense.
Speaker 1: And but I think he's good. And he seemed to
Speaker 1: be in good nature on the charter flight back. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think that it's generally a pretty happy guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to us. I mean, they, I know it
Speaker 1: was only kind of a walk through practice, but they
Speaker 1: had him limited. But I think they feel pretty good
Speaker 1: that he'll be out there. Please him. Yeah, yeah, him
Speaker 1: and him and Leo Collins both. Yeah, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a This is gonna be a big time tussle
Speaker 1: for those two. And they understand it. And you're on
Speaker 1: a little bit of role and you're playing for the
Speaker 1: division and you know, my gosh, you know it's this
Speaker 1: time of the season, you know, But they don't. They
Speaker 1: didn't even have LC on the injury report, so he
Speaker 1: should be good to go. Who else is of note?
Speaker 1: You think, well, everybody else, let's just do this Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin's plan. Uh, David Irving's not playing, Shawn Lee's not
Speaker 1: we obviously, Jeff Swain's out. I think Antoine Woods is
Speaker 1: good to go. I talked to him yesterday. He said
Speaker 1: that he cleared the concussion protocol. That's a good and
Speaker 1: that's a good He did everything they asked him to
Speaker 1: do so. And then I think the question mark is
Speaker 1: with Michael Gallop after the death and his family, his brother,
Speaker 1: and he remained in Georgia with the family. Mom was
Speaker 1: coming back from him. I mean, what could be worse?
Speaker 1: She said. The mother was in Africa on a mission
Speaker 1: trip and she was flying home. So that was one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why they kind of were. They hadn't
Speaker 1: told her yet. His sister told Michael after the game
Speaker 1: was over. So tough thing for him. Uh, And they're
Speaker 1: just kind of not sure where he is on returning
Speaker 1: in time for the game or having to miss the game.
Speaker 1: And that's always a tough thing, especially for a young guy.
Speaker 1: I mean he's what twenty two, twenty three years old,
Speaker 1: just making his journey through life. Yeah, you lose one
Speaker 1: of the brothers that you grew up with, you know,
Speaker 1: when you get to our age, Brian and I not
Speaker 1: including you, I mean, people start passing away, they do, right.
Speaker 1: Glenn Fry, the owner of the Seahawks, Paul Out, it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a shock, but when they're that young,
Speaker 1: you're not used to that. So they were going to
Speaker 1: stay in contact with him. Maybe they'll know a little
Speaker 1: bit more today on just kind of what his mindset is,
Speaker 1: and you know, when they have services or whatever. All
Speaker 1: I know is it's somewhat happened to me when my
Speaker 1: mom passed away. But my w mom passed away at
Speaker 1: eighty six years old, and it was the day before
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl in Tampa. Fortunately I was in Florida
Speaker 1: for the game. She lived on the other side of
Speaker 1: the state, and we did everything we can do. On
Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday, I drove back to Tampa and covered
Speaker 1: the game and it was kind of therapeutic, kind of
Speaker 1: an honor to her help me in my career. There
Speaker 1: you go. So sometimes people just react differently. You feel like, well, no,
Speaker 1: I should do this. Yeah, play it's kind of a
Speaker 1: refuge for you. Yeah, yeah, this is his family. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know. Jerry Jones said that in his release yesterday
Speaker 1: that you know this is family and you know that,
Speaker 1: and you know that again thoughts and prayers with him,
Speaker 1: and you know, but you're right, Getting on that field
Speaker 1: sometimes is the best thing in the world for you
Speaker 1: because it gives you the opportunity to honor those that
Speaker 1: you might have lost. And you know, if we remember back,
Speaker 1: you know what a great play he made in the
Speaker 1: Washington game, that double move and big, big time touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So you know he realizes this. He's excited. The guys
Speaker 1: in the locker room were excited about the opportunity, and
Speaker 1: you know he's having to deal with this. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure when he gets back here, there'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of guys to put their arm around him and give
Speaker 1: him a big hug, and he'll know that he's he's
Speaker 1: in a pretty damn good place in his life to
Speaker 1: have guys like this and coaches and front office guys
Speaker 1: and everybody trainers and equipmentment and all that that really
Speaker 1: would care a lot about him. Condult system, Michael and
Speaker 1: his family for sure. He's a young guy who's really
Speaker 1: coming along. I think is the season's gone on, Nicky's
Speaker 1: wanted to play him from the word go, and he
Speaker 1: is and he's playing. And I know you have two
Speaker 1: I have to because you could just see it in
Speaker 1: training camp. Absolutely the explosive ability that he has. He's
Speaker 1: a smooth route runner, he's physical, and they've wanted him
Speaker 1: to be a little bit maybe more physical, and just
Speaker 1: go get the ball because he has that ability. His
Speaker 1: one catch the other day might have saved that football game.
Speaker 1: Last drive. Yeah yeah, that ten yard play he made
Speaker 1: might have saved your season right there. And he had
Speaker 1: some other optors. I appreciate the fact they try and
Speaker 1: throw him the ball down the field. I really do.
Speaker 1: And then all you need to know is that one
Speaker 1: of the greatest catches he might have made was that
Speaker 1: one where he got knocked out of bounce against Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: That shows you what Michael Gallup is. You get Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup the ball, he could go get it. That showed
Speaker 1: you what he can do. You talk about a seving,
Speaker 1: seasons saving play, I mean that screen pass that he
Speaker 1: took on that drive, I mean it was just part
Speaker 1: of that drive that kind of energized this whole group.
Speaker 1: I think that touched on right before the half, right yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think it does something to a team when
Speaker 1: a young guy makes a play. Look at Vanderesh like
Speaker 1: somebody you know, I mean, you know, vander Eshea. It
Speaker 1: gets everybody going. It's like, Okay, we're getting some juice
Speaker 1: from somewhere else. Not just the same guys all the time.
Speaker 1: Remember what three years ago, what how Jason Witten described
Speaker 1: playing with young Dak Prescott and young exec Elpment. You know, remember,
Speaker 1: and does Bryant the same thing. Remember what those guys
Speaker 1: how they felt those guy You know, Jason Witten had
Speaker 1: been in a lot of campaigns, you know, and he
Speaker 1: finally felt like, my gosh, these guys are giving me life.
Speaker 1: He said, those guys keep me young. He kept saying that, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: keep him young. And you know, sometimes you need a
Speaker 1: shot in the arm with a guy that you know
Speaker 1: can come out and come in from the draft and
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you really didn't know much about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, the way we cover the draft, you know
Speaker 1: a lot about these players, but when they actually play
Speaker 1: on your team, you're going, well, that cat's pretty special.
Speaker 1: That cat gets it, you know. So hey, Cowboys are
Speaker 1: four and one without you, without John Lee in the line,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it has to do because of
Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith, young guy they took a chance on,
Speaker 1: and and then Layton Vanderus. So sometimes young guys will
Speaker 1: make the difference in these games. One more thing on
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. I just looked up the snap count again.
Speaker 1: He is playing more snaps than any wide receiver on
Speaker 1: this can run all day. I mean, he's got I
Speaker 1: think he played fifty two snaps in the game and
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper at fifty one. And you go back the
Speaker 1: last four games or so, I know Cooper wasn't there
Speaker 1: for all of them. Ask for it. You guys wanted
Speaker 1: it been playing him. Yeah, that's what you got to do. Though,
Speaker 1: he'll make it. You'll continue to make plays too. Again,
Speaker 1: it might be one two plays at a time, but
Speaker 1: you're right, that screen pass, third and fifty my gosh,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what you get with this kid,
Speaker 1: you know, And if he in fact can't play him again,
Speaker 1: our thoughts and prayers are with him, but you know
Speaker 1: that would be that would be a loss for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys this week. But that's switch you. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what needs to be done for him. What you're looking up, Mick.
Speaker 1: He just he's played overall sixty four percent of the snap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got his letter jacket, all readings. And the only
Speaker 1: wide receivers played more is Cole Beasley. Yeah, sixty five percent.
Speaker 1: There you go. So that kind of tells you how
Speaker 1: much they've leaned on him, and they should keep You're
Speaker 1: right with him. No, no, you guys, you guys called
Speaker 1: it rogress a long time ago. You called it and
Speaker 1: you saw what this guy can do. And credit to
Speaker 1: you both for stepping up and putting it out there
Speaker 1: on the table. It's Nate Newton's old deal about just
Speaker 1: play the young guys, play the young, get the young
Speaker 1: guys on the field. We didn't talk about tacour just
Speaker 1: looking at it. He was limited. Now, this was a
Speaker 1: estimation because it was something for the roach. Jerry, Jerry
Speaker 1: gave him a possibility. Okay when he talked about it
Speaker 1: this morning. Need a little bit more because and Jason
Speaker 1: yesterday said he probably will a little bit more, thanks coach,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if that meant how much more.
Speaker 1: He's out a sprained his is weird. Normally, when you
Speaker 1: have a sprained shoulder, it's the AC joint here. His
Speaker 1: is the sc joint in the net connects yea here
Speaker 1: up higher. So it's a little different. It sounds painful,
Speaker 1: really painful. It's hard, hard to operate that way, hard
Speaker 1: to sleep. Yeah, yeah, I just you know, just for
Speaker 1: the rotation's sake, because what the Redskins are gonna try
Speaker 1: and do is they're gonna try and run the ball
Speaker 1: with Adrian Peterson. That was the same the game plan
Speaker 1: they use. I don't think the game plan for them
Speaker 1: changes very much with Colt McCoy at quarterback because he
Speaker 1: could still do the read option stuff. He's still accurate
Speaker 1: throwing the football. He's still gonna run when he is
Speaker 1: the opportunity. So I don't think he has the arm
Speaker 1: strength of Alex Smith, but I think what he has.
Speaker 1: If you watched the second half of the third quarter
Speaker 1: on when he came in that game, their offense really
Speaker 1: didn't miss. I mean he was throwing now the two
Speaker 1: minute drive to try and get him in the field
Speaker 1: goal range to win the game. That was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a struggle for him. He kind of locked
Speaker 1: onto a couple of different guys. But I don't see
Speaker 1: the Washington offen it's changing. I still see them throwing
Speaker 1: the ball to their skill players on the outside, using
Speaker 1: Jordan Read the tight end. And I really really do
Speaker 1: believe you're gonna get a heavy dose of Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: in this football game. And that's what they did the
Speaker 1: first time the Grand ball thirty two times now it
Speaker 1: was only one hundred and thirty yards. But it was
Speaker 1: it was successful, but it was successful. And that's the
Speaker 1: second most rushing yards the Cowboys have given up in
Speaker 1: a game, only to the one hundred and forty seven
Speaker 1: of Carolina. But a lot of that had to do
Speaker 1: with Cam Newton. Absolutely, absolutely, this was more about Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 1: And this is this is where you have to This
Speaker 1: is you know, last night you saw a track meet.
Speaker 1: This one might be and as we say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought last week with the Cowboys and the Falcons
Speaker 1: was gonna be a little bit of a track meet,
Speaker 1: wasn't you know? But this this one might turn into
Speaker 1: just pounded each other and see who can which defense
Speaker 1: will break first? Just will be a tractor pull? Yeah, exactly. Example,
Speaker 1: watch it be a shootout? Yeah, well we got that right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: way wrong about that that one. I had sixty two
Speaker 1: fifty six. You know, you know what that thing was
Speaker 1: six to three. I was like, going, what game am
Speaker 1: I watching? Here? What game am I watching? But hey,
Speaker 1: let's you know, if it's gonna be if it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a slug him in the mouth game, Let's see
Speaker 1: which defense flinches first, you know which, Let's and that
Speaker 1: that will be that will be the test of this game.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Peterson probably having a big workload. Yeah, Jamison Crowder,
Speaker 1: p Ryan, Chris Thompson. You know, I've all been banged up.
Speaker 1: Redskins had a did not practice Monday, but that was
Speaker 1: the estimation. Those guys wouldn't have practiced. Hey, and have
Speaker 1: Colton McCoy on there. Yeah, but he was in full
Speaker 1: by the way, he had not thrown a regular season
Speaker 1: passed since the twenty fifteen season. Yeah, but but very
Speaker 1: capable back capable back up. His last start in the
Speaker 1: league most previously was twenty fourteen Dallas. Yeah, snapped a
Speaker 1: six game win streak for the Cowboys. Did they have
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez on there? Sanchez was not listed. Is part
Speaker 1: of the team? Sanch is not suspended. I thought he
Speaker 1: was suspended before the season, do you have I thought
Speaker 1: you had to be kind of on a team to
Speaker 1: get suspended down when he got suspended for he it
Speaker 1: was some stuff going on with Mark. I think. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say I wasn't working, That's what I'm saying, though,
Speaker 1: he he this summer. I thought the commissioners suspended him
Speaker 1: for four games four games for Peds. Okay, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: did he serve it served at some bar in Long Island?
Speaker 1: He wasn't with anybody, That's what I'm saying. How does he?
Speaker 1: How does he or was he outside the pocket rules?
Speaker 1: And I don't understand the suspension rules? How about that?
Speaker 1: I'm doing really good radio for you guys. And the
Speaker 1: last time he played in the game was twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys and mop up duty. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: It would have been he serve it earlier this year
Speaker 1: with the Bears before they let him go. That could
Speaker 1: have been it, Kent. Was he on the Bear? I
Speaker 1: thought he was pre season, back season backup? Was he
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't have signed him if he was. He's
Speaker 1: not your backup if you signed him. And then he suspended,
Speaker 1: right right? So I'm wondering. I don't I thought he
Speaker 1: was a pre season with the Beers. You cut a
Speaker 1: suspended player? Oh yes, yeah you can, absolutely you can. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Then that's a very interesting good point, Brian.
Speaker 1: I sign a guy that can't play, though, So I
Speaker 1: don't know the rules anymore. I'm sorry I put that up.
Speaker 1: I could just only watch tape and try and give
Speaker 1: you my best evaluation. From that. Look that up police Kent.
Speaker 1: By the way, one other note we talked, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Taco on the D line. Daniel Ross estimated limited yesterday
Speaker 1: as well. Mickey's still in the outside there. I don't
Speaker 1: like that. Well, he's see what he can do today.
Speaker 1: I don't think he was even close last week. There
Speaker 1: was some consideration of putting him on. I r well,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have to lean on more Kuran Red.
Speaker 1: You're hoping that didn't play badly that day. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got Woods coming back. You think, Hey, you still got
Speaker 1: Christian Ringo, got his eight plays in Mickey and the
Speaker 1: guy who's been around. See, that's why you need. That's
Speaker 1: what you need Taco to come back, so you could
Speaker 1: that keeps that could maybe push kick Crawford. Yeah too.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory played a hell of the game too, and
Speaker 1: we need Randy Gregory to continue to play well. We
Speaker 1: need Randy Gregor to get after Colt McCoy in this game.
Speaker 1: He's showing up with more snaps, you know, because he's
Speaker 1: having to. They have no choice. So we'll see how
Speaker 1: that works. Twelve. That's right. You know, if somebody needs
Speaker 1: to give him a dose of confidence. You don't think
Speaker 1: he got a little confidence in that game. You hopefully
Speaker 1: that was because Clarence and I were kind of joking
Speaker 1: with him on Fridays beat down in the locker room
Speaker 1: about oh, man, now you're gonna get your first start.
Speaker 1: You know, you're still I ain't starting. They ain't gonna
Speaker 1: start me. And it's like, well, why wouldn't they? Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They just I said, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: the guy they're leaning on. He goes, yeah, well we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know. And I didn't expect that out of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe the guy's a little beat down. Yeah, Brian brought
Speaker 1: us her beating him down. Because then when I then
Speaker 1: when I saw him after the game, when we were
Speaker 1: on the tarmac going to the plane, and I kind
Speaker 1: of pointed at him like Evin, like I told you so,
Speaker 1: and he looked at me and smiled, Oh you got
Speaker 1: his spirits up right? Yeah, they need me and that
Speaker 1: locker Tony Robbins over. Yeah, all right, Sorry, let's grab
Speaker 1: a phone call real quick before we go to breath.
Speaker 1: A hat on Alan and Alan and Tampa. You're up first, Hi,
Speaker 1: good morning guys. Morning taking my call. Sure m. I
Speaker 1: had called in for a couple of concerns about the
Speaker 1: Washington game, But I want to make a brief comment
Speaker 1: about the Michael Gallup situation since you were talking at
Speaker 1: it at length. I'm a psychologist here in Tampa, thing
Speaker 1: for about thirty years, and I want to say that, um,
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys organization has I've been following them
Speaker 1: for fifty years, and they really take pride on having
Speaker 1: an active mental health substance abuse program internally, but as
Speaker 1: an observer from the outside, you know, I've been questioning
Speaker 1: the efficacy of the program that they're running, given some
Speaker 1: of the problems that people like Randy Gregory have had
Speaker 1: and others that are in their program that are trying
Speaker 1: to get help. And so I want to say that
Speaker 1: the Michael Gallup situation is really unique, and having worked
Speaker 1: with many people over years who've lost a loved one
Speaker 1: to suicide, it is a totally different beast and the
Speaker 1: impact of that kind of a loss really usually last
Speaker 1: a lifetime for people who have been unfortunate enough to
Speaker 1: suffer it. And I'm hoping that the organization is going
Speaker 1: to be helping this young man with professional services no
Speaker 1: matter how he plays, whether he plays this week or
Speaker 1: the weeks to come. You never know when the impact
Speaker 1: of something like this can really take hold. And in
Speaker 1: best case situations, he'll have a support group, he'll have
Speaker 1: professional services to help him get through it. And I
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to put that out
Speaker 1: there for him and hoping the organization is gonna do
Speaker 1: what they can to help them. Hey, Doc, can I
Speaker 1: ask you a question? Sure, you know, and you point
Speaker 1: out the Cowboy program, but do you think this is
Speaker 1: something really league wide? I mean, I know you're a
Speaker 1: Cowboy fan and you're listening to our program and all that,
Speaker 1: but do you think this is more something league wide
Speaker 1: than just the Dallas Cowboys? Do you mean just the
Speaker 1: help and the thing? I mean, you were you were
Speaker 1: very you were very you were very you know, professionally.
Speaker 1: You were pointing the finger, and I mean in a
Speaker 1: nice way. I don't mean in a mean way, but
Speaker 1: you were saying that, Okay, the Cowboys are this and
Speaker 1: this and this, But don't you feel like that maybe
Speaker 1: league wide we're lacking some of this help that you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Yes, so we can't just always can't say
Speaker 1: it's the Cowboys. I mean, but I know you you're
Speaker 1: focusing on the Cowboys. Correct. Correct. And one of the reasons,
Speaker 1: not just because I'm a Cowboys fan, right, because they
Speaker 1: have been the leaders in certainly in the public eye
Speaker 1: of when Calvin Hill came in to run okay, I
Speaker 1: see you're going okay, I see whe you're going okay. Yes,
Speaker 1: they are on the fourth and they have the visibility.
Speaker 1: And absolutely, I think it is a league wide issue.
Speaker 1: I think we can all see that just from fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it does require a serious and I from what
Speaker 1: I can see, they've had a serious commitment, but results
Speaker 1: have been you know, at least on the substance abuse side,
Speaker 1: which is again it's a different issue. Some of the
Speaker 1: other players with mental health issues like Brandon Marshall and
Speaker 1: Hardy when he was with the Cowboys that you know,
Speaker 1: they've been upfront to Randy Gregory. They've talked about some
Speaker 1: psychiatric illnesses apart from substance abuse, and that these issues
Speaker 1: are related, but they are very different and really require
Speaker 1: a different level of professional services. And again, since I
Speaker 1: don't see internally, yes, I hope that in a situation
Speaker 1: like this with this young man, he's going to get
Speaker 1: every opportunity to get the kind of help that he's
Speaker 1: going to need for as long as he needs it, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So well, what he doesn't realize as they have a
Speaker 1: person on staff. Uh, doctor Stevens is with the team
Speaker 1: at times. She travels to games with Tea. She is here.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you from personal experience when we
Speaker 1: were involved in the bus accident going to training camp
Speaker 1: with the crash killed four other people that pulled out
Speaker 1: in front of us in the other car. She was
Speaker 1: one of the first people to not only call us
Speaker 1: and there was four of us on the bus, but
Speaker 1: to stay in touch almost for a week on somewhat
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. And they were very She was
Speaker 1: very professional, very sympathetic to a couple of young guys
Speaker 1: that had some you know, significant difficulty, significant dealing with
Speaker 1: being involved in something that caused a death for deaths
Speaker 1: actually and uh, she was great with me. Um. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I think I'm okay, but you
Speaker 1: need to keep an eye on these young guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you need to keep an eye on Emory, one
Speaker 1: of the brand she did. And um, and it was
Speaker 1: just us, you know, we had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: winning games or playing football games. But but she was
Speaker 1: genuinely concerned with us and very professional and very helpful
Speaker 1: and thoughtful on you know, sometimes it doesn't hit you
Speaker 1: right away, but you better watch out because it kind
Speaker 1: of might have a slow effect and it will hit
Speaker 1: you later. And she says, we'll just you know, here's
Speaker 1: my number, call me. And I would imagine if she
Speaker 1: was doing that for us, you know, she will be
Speaker 1: on top of this, uh situation. Yeah, Mickey, it's a
Speaker 1: life experience there. And I go back to to the
Speaker 1: Jerry Brown, the situation with the Jerry Brown, and you know,
Speaker 1: with right with all that, I mean you talk about
Speaker 1: now on a on a level, on a huge level,
Speaker 1: with a hole, with an entire team, and yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and Mickey I think painted the picture very well what
Speaker 1: she does here and what the programs do here. And
Speaker 1: I was at the point I was trying to make
Speaker 1: with the caller with Doc there was that I you know,
Speaker 1: I think this is something each team has their way
Speaker 1: of doing things and and I and I think he
Speaker 1: was just trying to say, hey, I hope sure, sure,
Speaker 1: And Mickey just painted a picture for you saying, you know,
Speaker 1: he's given you hope. Mickey just gave you a hope
Speaker 1: that when Michael Gallup needs somebody to talk to that
Speaker 1: that he will have the proper people to talk to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're all confident that the resources are there
Speaker 1: for him as he moves through this, or the owner
Speaker 1: will find a way to this owner loves his players
Speaker 1: more than anybody in the statement, like you said Jerry
Speaker 1: put out yesterday, he will do anything in his world
Speaker 1: to help these players get through any problems that they
Speaker 1: might have. Okay, let's take our final break when we
Speaker 1: come back. Uh, we're gonna talk a little last night,
Speaker 1: chiefs rams. How that impacts the league just I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, is it good for the league? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian may not think so, not at all. All Right,
Speaker 1: let's let's touch on that when we come back. You're
Speaker 1: like me and you love I mean, if you have
Speaker 1: a high thing, then cutting the court is scary. But
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Speaker 1: predicted last week Cowboys Philly. Yes, you thought it would
Speaker 1: be sixty two fifty six, right, and then you guys
Speaker 1: tell me I couldn't do that, So I got down
Speaker 1: the thirty four thirty week. We didn't know you were
Speaker 1: talking about the Monday night game. Yeah, yeah, you're predicting
Speaker 1: a tractor pull on Thanksgiving between the Cowboys and Redskins.
Speaker 1: We did not get that last night. What was the
Speaker 1: final scores? Fifty four to fifty one. Yeah, rams three
Speaker 1: hours and forty two minutes in the NFL wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been happy if that game was played at noon on Sunday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Monday night. The games that came later that was um,
Speaker 1: that was something and between two nine and one teams,
Speaker 1: and you know, you look at the Cowboy, he's trying
Speaker 1: to win their division. If they have hopes of moving
Speaker 1: beyond that, they've got to get through a team like
Speaker 1: the Rams who are ten and one. At some point,
Speaker 1: you didn't like it, Brian, I wasn't a big fan.
Speaker 1: Why not? I wasn't a big fan because I'm to
Speaker 1: the point and I don't want to sound like a
Speaker 1: get off the lawn guy, you know, old man. But
Speaker 1: I'm a guy that appreciates teams that play defense. I'm
Speaker 1: appreciate defensive football, sec football. I appreciate There's no way
Speaker 1: that Wade Phillips when he walked off that field last night,
Speaker 1: he was happy it was over. You know, But Wade
Speaker 1: Phillips has made his career stopping people on defense, and
Speaker 1: with the way the rules are in the National Football
Speaker 1: League now, it takes away the great defensive coordinator, it
Speaker 1: really really does, you know. And he can't feel good
Speaker 1: he gave. He had a lot of yards and a
Speaker 1: lot of points hung on him against the Saints. He
Speaker 1: had a lot of yards and a lot of points
Speaker 1: hung on him last night. Now he had a couple
Speaker 1: of turnover and pick six and all that, but overall,
Speaker 1: he can't be watching that tape this morning and feeling
Speaker 1: very good. If you're Kansas City, you have to feel
Speaker 1: the same way. But I think that and the great
Speaker 1: thing about working at this facility is you get to
Speaker 1: run into people having breakfast. And I got the great
Speaker 1: fortune running into christ Rachard and I said, what do
Speaker 1: you think about that last night? He goes, that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's a tough way to play football. That's a tough way.
Speaker 1: He goes. You got defensive backs that are nervous about
Speaker 1: playing in coverage. You got guys that aren't going to hit.
Speaker 1: The rules are against you. And he goes, it's tough.
Speaker 1: He goes, You get these offenses. The quarterbacks don't have
Speaker 1: any fear, the wide receivers don't have any fear. You
Speaker 1: could give up. You could be perfect coverage and have
Speaker 1: a guy called passenger ference penalty. It's a fifty one
Speaker 1: yard penalty. You know. Now, the league has always been
Speaker 1: really good. I think about circling back in about, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to make the product better. I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: that fifty four fifty one is a good way to
Speaker 1: watch football. I really really don't. I think that having control,
Speaker 1: but I think you have to allow these defensive backs.
Speaker 1: If it's five yard chuck, how about ten yard chuck?
Speaker 1: You know, how about I'm not talking about tackle, but
Speaker 1: how about make these receivers and these quarterbacks have to
Speaker 1: throw some really tight window throws with some contacted in
Speaker 1: that in that area right there. You know, these guys
Speaker 1: are good enough. But it to me, you're you're taking
Speaker 1: this is like, and I don't want to just blame
Speaker 1: it on fantasy football, but people get excited for these
Speaker 1: games because it means fantasy points for them. That's where
Speaker 1: I was going. Chris Rashard brought up the point to
Speaker 1: me too. I mean, if you're a fan and you
Speaker 1: have Jared Goff on your team, you're loving every single minute. Dude,
Speaker 1: he just got me sixty points last night. I've won
Speaker 1: my week. Yeah you know, Yeah, so the fans love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There was a thousand yards of total offense five forty
Speaker 1: six to four fifty five. Yeah, the game lasted forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And my other takeaway from it, I'm sorry I went
Speaker 1: so long there. But now that My other takeaway from
Speaker 1: it was, while it was somewhat exciting to see touchdown
Speaker 1: after touchdown after touchdown, I do not want to see
Speaker 1: another All star refereeing crew ever in my life. The
Speaker 1: official because they were all trying to show you how
Speaker 1: much they knew about the game. They over officiate and
Speaker 1: and did you see did you see the other official
Speaker 1: who had the best look at it? And they came
Speaker 1: in for the close up, and the three of them
Speaker 1: came together, and the official on the left, the referee
Speaker 1: on the left had his eyes open like, are you
Speaker 1: kidding you're gonna call that? Are you talking about the
Speaker 1: hit with the hats city further And actually it was
Speaker 1: the receiver the hit, and the guy that saw it
Speaker 1: the best was had his eyes wide open like you
Speaker 1: can't call that, yeah, And the other guy was adamant
Speaker 1: about it, like I'm right. The one I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: was the tip pass by Mahomes that they ruled a fumble.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's clearly a forward pass that got batted
Speaker 1: down and went forward and they ruled it a fumble
Speaker 1: recovery for a touchdown at first. Now they did reverse
Speaker 1: it and got it right, but they were all trying
Speaker 1: to outdo each other, especially early in the game with
Speaker 1: some ridiculous calls for interference or uh just I just
Speaker 1: couldn't understand their mindset in this game. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: got it. You don't like the officiating in this league.
Speaker 1: I get it. It's getting worse. Well, I just want
Speaker 1: to have a have a team, because then when you're
Speaker 1: on a team, you're not trying to show up the
Speaker 1: other guy. I think the way this conversation pertains to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys is their style of offense. And look, they
Speaker 1: brought in a guy that's a big play potential guy
Speaker 1: for you down the field. Sure, but they are a
Speaker 1: run first team. And that's the question. It's like can
Speaker 1: you You might not. You can't survive this, you don't
Speaker 1: think so that Jerry talked about j Jarry. Now, defensively,
Speaker 1: you could survive it if you have some rules that
Speaker 1: you can actually play. You know, if if Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: and Jeff Heath get to go a hit receivers in
Speaker 1: the middle of the field and a Woozier gets to
Speaker 1: play tight and carry guys up the field. But get
Speaker 1: you know, that's the problem that you cannot and you
Speaker 1: can't even hit the quarterback. And I understand that you
Speaker 1: got to protect the quarterback, but the quarterbacks now knoweth
Speaker 1: standing in the pocket and they make a throw and
Speaker 1: get hit, they're going to get another fifteen yards. So
Speaker 1: you're what you're doing is you're taking any type of
Speaker 1: advantage that the defense has a way. You know, you're
Speaker 1: you're turning this into Okay, how these athletes are so great?
Speaker 1: How do you cover a guy like, oh, maybe you
Speaker 1: have to out athlete him. Okay, I'm out athlete him.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, when of Mickey's officials, the
Speaker 1: back judge makes a penalty call when it looks like
Speaker 1: a clean, clean play, So you know, I think that
Speaker 1: you I think the league has to look at this
Speaker 1: and might not be this year, but next year when
Speaker 1: they get the competition. You know, is scoring is his
Speaker 1: having fifty four to fifty one games and it's not
Speaker 1: every week, but it's going to evolve that because teams
Speaker 1: are gonna figure out, they're gonna say the Rams have
Speaker 1: done in Kansas, You're gonna get you get better players,
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, the rules of this way, let's
Speaker 1: not run the football anymore let's just sit there, you know,
Speaker 1: and and let's be honest. Sean McVeigh turned to his trainer.
Speaker 1: He said, two stupid pills in a cup of gatorade, please.
Speaker 1: I mean, he almost gave them the game back by
Speaker 1: the way. He tried to be aggressive at the end.
Speaker 1: And I know people out there like, oh, no, Brian,
Speaker 1: that you gotta be aggressive. You gotta know he's got
Speaker 1: Todd Gurley is a running back. I mean, he clearly
Speaker 1: he respected Patrick Mahomes. He wants, he wants why he'd
Speaker 1: give the ball back. He was trying to keep him
Speaker 1: from having it. But he gave the ball back. That's
Speaker 1: the thing. But to me, they've got to do something.
Speaker 1: Not every and again, not every game is fifty four
Speaker 1: fifty one, but but you've you've got to have some
Speaker 1: You've got to give these defensive coordinators an operate. Wade
Speaker 1: Phillips has made a great career being a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Right now, even with the players he has, even with
Speaker 1: one of the best players defensive players in football, he
Speaker 1: has no checks. And there was a play in the game.
Speaker 1: We gotta go where a lot of press conference anywhere.
Speaker 1: We gotta finish the thought it was the exact opposite
Speaker 1: of what happened to Jeff Heath. And they called hitting
Speaker 1: an illegal receiver or hitting a defenseless receiver. And all
Speaker 1: the guy did was catch the ball, and the guy
Speaker 1: came in and made a tackle. All right, Chiefs and
Speaker 1: Rams made history last night. Cowboys trying to get the
Speaker 1: first place on Thursday. We'll be back tomorrow to continue
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