WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: The Battle Up Front 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.440 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:16.840 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:20.640 training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:33.239 Star in Friscola. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brothers, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:38.000 and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome into Talking Cowboys on 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:45.360 a Tuesday. That is kind of like a Wednesday Thursday normally, 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.520 Mick both together? Is that correct? Great Wednesday? Yeah, tomorrow's 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.000 Friday and there's no Saturday. That's right, a great Wednesday Thursday. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.160 Thank you, Kent. That's Kent Garrison producing, next door, Rob 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.720 Phillips hosting for Bill Jones. Mickey Spagnola next to me 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.080 at my right, steal Brian brought us. We'll be here 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.000 shortly in a moment. We'll get what Brian brought us. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:10.120 That's right. Unfortunately, Bill Jones is having to cover the 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.840 Adrian Belgira retirement announcement today. Breaking news. Huh, not just 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.520 breaking cowboys news. Bill Jones is responsible for all sports 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:22.160 in the DF It's breaking heart news. I mean, how 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.760 much fun did you have watching Adrian Beldira played baseball? 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.600 A lot? But you know you got to celebrate his career, 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.039 and I think he's probably a sure fire Hall of Famer, right, 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.960 I want to see him keep playing. Yeah, he's been 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:39.240 a great ranger. Huh yeah, I know. Yeah, he's broken 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.240 down the body, But just watching him, I wish they 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.640 would have traded him last year to the Dodgers or 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.319 some team. Give him a chance to get into the 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.520 World Series, do him a favor. I'm not sure he 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.800 wanted to go, tell you the truth, You're probably right. 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.080 He probably only wants to be a Ranger. He's already 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.840 said he if he gets to the Hall, he's wearing 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.120 a Ranger hat. He's a Texas Ranger at heart. And 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:00.840 I mean there was some loyal there, but it was 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.040 just so much fun. And I was just telling the 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.960 guys I think, can't hurt me. He was. He was 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.840 one of those guys that you would watch the game 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.240 just to watch him play, no matter what the team 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:14.040 was doing. And I would always if I knew he 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.440 was getting one more at bat, I would stay for 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.720 that at bat just to watch because you just never 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.040 knew what was going to happen. Yeah, he was too 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.280 much fun, And you're right, he's kind of Dirk like 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:28.000 in that oil to his team, and I think he's 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:29.640 getting in the Hall of Fame. He'd never got a 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.440 World Series ring. He was one strike away. Sorry Rangers fans, 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.320 did you see that Michael Young got on the Hall 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:39.600 of Fame ballot? I do, Yeah, excellent, I'd vote him 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:44.560 in a lot of great er Yeah, and Beltray kind 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.600 of carried over that tag as well. I didn't think 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.200 we'd be talking to Texas Rangers to start today's show up. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.040 But you never know. You never know. That's why Bill 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.280 Jones is not here, is exactly why I'm build in 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.520 the Dallas for Worth area. That's right, he's handling that 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.679 for CBS eleven, not because he stayed up too late 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:05.280 Thursday night or Monday night football, whatever night it was. Yeah, 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.560 but forever, let's let's touch on that after the first break. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:13.160 Let's just let's get into some Cowboys and then we'll okay, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:14.880 because I stayed up for that too. I don't know 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.880 how you. I thought my wife was a big NFL fan, 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.840 and she is, but she she couldn't take any more 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.120 of it, and she's not even working this week. I'm like, dude, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.080 this is the best game I've ever seen. Well, this 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.520 this is the worst part. I taped it, and I 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.840 didn't start watching it till like eight thirty, even though 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.880 I was fast forwarding all through the commercials and halftime 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:38.040 and end of the quarters. I think I finished watching 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:45.240 it at twelve thirty, maybe twelve thirty. And it's a 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.400 good thing that when I taped it, I put on 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.680 an extra show afterwards, because I would have been out 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:57.160 the fourth quarter. It was something Hi Brian, Hi, guys 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.160 saw him a little late on this program. You're fine, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:02.960 like you can't. I thought that was a terrible game 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.280 last night. Let's hold on to it because I think 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.920 it's a good discussion. Okay, I know we need to 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.080 get in some Cowboys. It was. It was Highlight Park 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.200 versus Alan. I thought it was a terrible football. We've 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.440 talked Texas Rangers right off the top, because we've explained 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.040 why Bill's not here. Okay, so let's get it yeast 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.240 into that. Absolutely, let's get into some Cowboys real quick. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.359 All right, back to practice. It's gonna be a light practice. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.000 I would imagine a shorter practice than normal. Yes, a 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.840 normal Wednesday, whatever you want to call today. Yes, um, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.520 getting set for Thanksgiving Day. Cowboys Redskins a shaff first 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.640 place at stake for Dallas if they can beat the 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.960 Redskins and get to six and five on the season. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.680 We got some injury news last night. Jason Garrett had 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.480 a late press conference, did a lot of injuries to 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.560 update as they get back to practice. I'm gonna kind 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.520 of throw that to Mick and Jeff Swaim is is 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.560 the headliner coming out of last night's news. Yeah, And 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:58.800 unfortunately the injury report didn't come out till almost when 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.800 the press half time of the over. Yeah, right, So 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.159 we didn't have we didn't have an opportunity to talk 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:08.599 to Jason about it on the record, but he was 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.400 able to address it on the walk off that Jeff 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.560 Swain broke a bone in his wrist late in the 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.120 game on that last drive when you're dove for the 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.080 ball by the We got a chance to watch it 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.400 last night after the press conference, since the press conference 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:30.120 didn't start to like six forty five or something like that. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.159 And he's having surgery, I believe today. Is that what 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.279 he said right today? It probably gonna or was it yesterday. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.480 I don't know if he had it already this week, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:43.560 and they're gonna insert a couple of screws in there 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.200 to facilitate the healing of the bone, and you know 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.200 he's gonna be in a cast, so I can't imagine 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:52.440 he's playing for three or four weeks. Yeah, it's kind 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:54.240 of hard to catch the ball when you have a 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.360 real cast on there. So yeah, they'll be without um. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.480 Without Jeff Swain, who's you know, been pretty good for sure. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.240 The lack of experience he had coming into this and 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.560 what he's done so far. Now you're handing off the 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:12.159 three guys who are playing in the NFL for basically 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.719 the first time in their lives this season. How do 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.120 you size it up, Brian, Because, like Mickey said, Dalton Schultz, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.520 rookie Rico's finding his way as a young player. Blake 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.040 Jarlin's a young player. They did this for a game, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.120 I think the Tennessee game. And that's the other thing. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:29.720 Jeff Swain playing through a sprain need these last few weeks, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:35.039 he's been banged up. How do they manufacture production out 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.760 of this young group now going for at least for 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.160 a few weeks. And Micky's right about the assessment of 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:42.159 what Jeff Swain. Let's not forget special team stuff. That 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.160 he does as well, so you have to You're gonna 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.839 have to account for his loss, and in my opinion, 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.680 it's is a big loss. It's a significant loss because 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.159 of the things. You know, he has such a feel. 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.840 These young guys don't have a feel yet of how 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:58.760 to really block at the point of attack, and I 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.240 mean blocking away where body positioning, hand positioning, the way 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.400 to work your hips, the way to try and seal 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.440 the guy inside, you know, the tricks of the trade. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.600 You know, at least Jeff Swain has gone through that. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.200 Now we're into a week eleven of the season, right 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.080 and we've had preseason games and stuff like that. So 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.480 it's time for Dalton Schultz. It's time for Rico Gathers. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.960 We've seen some improvement from Rico Gathers. The guy that 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.600 seems to be kind of lacking behind is Blake Jarwin. 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.280 That's the one that kind of gets you a little bit. Okay, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.320 if you had to rank how the tight ends are 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.160 going to play it out, I think you would go 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.800 with Rico Gathers, you would go with Jeff Swain's gonna 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.760 be with Dalton Schultz, and then go with Blake Jarwin, 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:40.239 you know, and You're gonna have to find some combination now, Mickey, 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.480 Mickey's gonna Crystal bald this. I was almost positive he 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.200 was going to say, let's use Cam Fleming is the 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.720 extra blocker. If we have to have an extra blocker. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.440 Mickey did a great job telling you they're gonna play 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.560 a three man front on early in the week, and 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.800 it worked out. They played three man front. So I 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.360 was ready for Mickey to come in here and tell me, Okay, 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.160 they use camp Flemming a little bit more in this, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.040 you know, or use an extra blocker, get an extra 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.040 wide receiver. Do you think an extra wide receiver? Yeah, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.119 well there you go. Yeah, and that's and and maybe 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.040 and maybe instead of playing uh, you know, with twelve 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:17.120 personnel becomes uh Gathers and Schultz less thirteen personnel, now 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.440 eleven personnel. You're gonna have to figure out. Now, maybe 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:21.880 this is where Mickey is going down the right path. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.680 Maybe then it turns into ten personnel where you add 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.960 that extra wide receiver, where all of a sudden, it's 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:29.520 you get all the guys on the field with the 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.640 exception maybe Lance Lenore, you know, maybe you go with 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.880 the with multiple wide receivers, you get to spread people 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.280 out a little bit more, and then you go that way, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.400 they could also play a little bit more. Twenty one personnel. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.760 We saw that. We saw them. Yeah, we saw them 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.000 open up the game that way. So the loss of 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:51.000 of of swaying significant. The options you have not terrible, 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.280 uh so, because you've kind of really put patched work 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.680 this thing together at tight end all year. You know, 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.679 you you went out and you got a big time receiver. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.840 You know, to have a draft or free agency to 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.400 go out and get you potentially a big time tight end. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.400 You know, when they were using and I think Jason 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.720 mentioned this maybe when we were walking off twenty one personnel, 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.959 they were using Rico as the tight end right, and 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.959 you know, so you get a full back and a 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.120 bigger tight end maybe if you're in running situations instead 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.959 of going two tight ends. Yeah. One of the big 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.079 runs they had in the Philly game, if you remember, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:31.280 it was a nice turnout block by that that Elliott 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:33.240 took front side to his right. They got a good 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.920 block inside from Ola Wally and it allowed it allowed 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.720 Elliott to cut behind it and then you had Rico 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.560 turn his guy out and it get a nice little 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.280 gap in there, so you know, maybe things for Rico 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.640 are improving, you know mentally that he can Okay, I 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.800 can do this, I can I could cut off the backside. 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.280 I could. I'm two hundred and sixty pounds. I could 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.560 push this outside linebacker. And it's gonna be really important 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.640 this week end because I remember last week in the 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.800 Cowboy or the last time the Cowboys played the Redskins, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.520 it really didn't establish the point of attack very well, 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.360 you know, and that means established inside very well. But 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.240 what were they doing on the edges? You know they 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.160 were they were having trouble, you know, with Ryan Kerrigan 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.559 and Preston Smith and then also swearings you're coming down, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.920 so you know, you better kind of figure out some things. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.680 How do we get big bodies that could push turn 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.480 and give it Ezekiel Elio at the opportunity to make 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.480 a cut or two. You mentioned Ola Wally, they're fullback 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.520 and he's done. He's done a nice job. I think 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.439 these last couple of games better, yes, a better juice, 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.360 better job of sealing things and opening things up for 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.200 Zeke in the running game. So that's an option. You 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.440 mentioned Jumbo Cam right Mac, He's an option too. I 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:45.160 guess you could go kind of through a nice block down. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:46.960 Yeah he did. He did. He came in the game 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.360 and he on Zeke's twenty three yard touchdown run. It 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.520 was him and you know him playing for Lyle Collins 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.360 at right tackle, you know, slips inside second level gets 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.840 on you know, now, I don't know how much slipping 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.400 he's going to be able to do. This redskinned front. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.360 That that's they're They're compromised on their offensive line, but 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:07.800 their defensive line is still what we know it is is. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.360 And so that's where this key for the Cowboys is 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.760 we start to break this thing down a little bit further. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.280 How do you account for their defensive line? How do 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.080 you account for their linebackers ability to run? Those are 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.120 going to be the if you if you want to 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.120 establish yourself and go for the balance and go for 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.520 what you saw a little bit in that game the 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.360 other day where Ezekie Elliott had well over two hundred 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.840 yards of total offense. You know, I think it's going 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.520 to have to come that. You've got to find a 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.080 way to block that front the way the way it is. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.560 And let's remember in the first time around, it was 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.720 fifteen carries for thirty three yards yeah, and along of 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:45.840 six yeah for Ezekiel Elliott. So they had very little 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.160 luck running as a word you used to Yeah, no 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.680 tracksh guys in the middle. Uh, they kind of hurt them. Yeah, 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:58.040 sure to hurt them bad. So, um, you know, I'm 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.720 gonna assume we're gonna see see sue a Filo in 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.480 there still. Uh. And then this is after the change 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.600 in the offensive line coach, which this team has played 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.640 more physical. Now, kit if they are playing more physical, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.199 can they handle those two big guys? Can they handle 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:20.240 the University of Alabama inside? It's it's a problematic thing 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:22.080 for college football in general to have to deal with 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.360 you over s Alabama. But now it's becoming a problematic 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.200 in the National Football League where you have you have 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.360 those two and you know Payne, you know, I went 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:34.480 back and watched Zack Martin against uh durn Payne. Was 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.120 a good matchup, was I mean it was it was okay, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.240 you were you were fifty fifty on that one is 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.480 the other spot. It was the other spots that they 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.000 were struggling with that they really didn't get that they 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.800 didn't get the type of a push or security And 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.000 you know this will be, like Mickey says, this will 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.760 be the test if you want to be fifteen for 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:56.040 thirty three might lose this football game. Yeah, I better 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.360 figure out that. It's going to be a tough game inside, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:12:59.800 but you better figure out a way to kind of 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.599 make a game of a positive yards run in the 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.040 football Dak was under a lot of arrests in that 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.040 game as well. It's two those ends in the passing game. Yeah, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.480 Karrigan's a tough block. He mentioned Preston Smith. Yeah, Um, 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.400 that was a tough game for Connor Williams too. Yeah, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.680 you know, and we've talked about it. They think he's 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.480 got a bright future, but he has struggled with really 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.679 the whole line. Yeah, the whole line. It was not 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.079 just yeah and you're right, Yeah, I see we're going here. Yeah, 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.160 you know, big guy, powerful guys up front, the Kuan 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.440 Shorts in this league, that kind of thing. That was 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.960 rookie on rookie there, and that was tough for him. Yeah. Yeah, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.200 we'll see. You mentioned Suahila. We'll see if he sticks 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.199 in the starting lineup. Obviously the results have been good 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:37.880 with him at left guard. I'm gonna just go out 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.680 and just throw it out. I'm gonna say he's gonna 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.040 start just because of the short week and they and 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.760 I think Connor Williams is going to continue to practice. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.880 I think Connor Williams practice for you last week. But 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.920 you know, we've seen this team when they've had some success, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.439 you know, the front of the pocket. And I'm not 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.080 saying that Sue Philo is Larry Allen. I'm just saying though, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.880 he gives you a little bit bigger body inside, and 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.000 when you have to run through him, you having to 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.439 run through a big body, and he's a little bit easier. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.560 It's a little bit easier for him to sit down quickly. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.800 I know you evaluated him pretty heavily coming out of 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.080 the draft, CLA. Yeah, because Zach was the pick in 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:16.280 the first round and Sophila was an early second round option. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.160 I think he went a pick before d Law. Yeah, 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.440 it's absolutely right, right, yeah. Um. He was known as 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.720 pre athletic guy coming out of UCLA two incredible athlete 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.680 and for his size, seeing a little bit of that 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.560 in terms of the pulling and stuff like that. I mean, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.280 do you see him walk in the locker room? Okay, well, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.080 I mean a chore Yeah, I mean, he's not He's 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.640 not Connor Williams in terms of athleticism, I mean, and 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.360 and he can get out. And anybody ever figured out 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.880 what happened like in Houston? Why a guy that started 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:47.200 that many games? Yeah, just because because there's guys like 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:50.320 me that are idiots. There's scouts that are idiots, they're 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:54.640 front office guys that are idiots. There's there's there's scheme changes, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.880 there's coaching changes, there's well, he wasn't what we thought 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.160 he was, you know, kind of we we we've had 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.080 that happen here to Mickey, I think we just a 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.880 can him. They didn't can and they let him walk. Yeah, 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.440 and Tennessee cut him after preseason. Well so yeah, I 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.080 mean a couple of different spots. We saw Tennessee's line 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.720 wasn't terrible in that game that we played. So but 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.000 I understand Mickey, but I'm gonna take I'm gonna take 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.400 the approach that that was a bad miss because he's 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.880 a guy that's we've seen, he's a very capable backup. 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.920 I mean, we were all sitting there on paper thinking, oh, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.000 beat Philly, I don't know, beat Atlanta and I really 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:33.720 don't know and all of a sudden, he's kind of 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.560 in the lineup and he's helping you. Now, maybe things 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.040 have opened up because of what the receiver's done. Maybe 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.000 the quarterbacks get a little bit more protection. I'd like 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.640 to believe that the putting him in the lineup has 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.960 given him a little bit more power insight. I'm not 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.240 saying a perfect player, because Connor Williams has had moments 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:52.840 where he's been very good. Yes, yeah, But but all 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.360 of a sudden you found something magically and it might 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.600 be again, it might be Scott Linahan has a better 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.440 hand to deal with plays. And maybe your quarterback's coming 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.600 around a little bit. And this receiver that you made 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:10.680 a significant offer for has has helped you too. But 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.720 something's working, something working, and I don't know why, but 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:18.720 I will take the approach again that scouts are generally idiots, 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.280 and I include myself in the idiot part of that, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.080 you know, and the other thing, And gosh, I wish 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.840 I could remember. I think it was Zeke that said this. 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.920 I don't know if it was Dak, but they were 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.880 talking about the running game of late and it was 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:39.440 after the game Sunday, and he said, we got back 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.120 to some of the old runs that were successful for 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.400 Zeke said it. He basically said, we got back to 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.200 our old stuff. Yeah, he said, We've got linemen that 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.760 have been doing their job well for five or six years, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.320 and we've just gotten back to what we do. And 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.880 I wonder if he meant the types of runs or 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.480 how the style of the run is with Colombo. Yea 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.480 offense if you're you're onto something here make it was 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.320 definitely a compliment to Colombo. How about how many times 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.000 did we see in that game and you guys were 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:08.920 there live and I was watching here at the Star, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.919 But how many times did you see Zeke patient? Patient? 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.080 And he's just waiting. He's waiting for that, He's waiting 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.879 for that combo block between between between Looney and Martin, 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.359 and then all of a sudden, what happens. Martin reads 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.640 the reads the linebacker and goes right up on it 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.040 and and and he he that's what they were able 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.520 to do. Now we'll see how patient he gets to 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.360 be this week, you know, I mean this that will 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.439 be that will be a big I don't know what 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.200 Clared jerseys were wearing this week, and we were in 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.080 blue and we were I don't know it all right. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.240 It might be a wall of white or a wall 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.720 of burgundy, you know, and you got to figure that out. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.040 You know. Those guys were getting penetration by sure, yes, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:50.840 and and you know, and you got and they were 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:52.760 not going to let Dallas run the football. That that 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.240 was That was very evident, the way that DJ Sweringer 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.320 was playing. And now they've added Clinton, you know, or haha, 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.119 Clinton dicks to this to this thing too, so he 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.520 could play down as well. So they've got two legitimate 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.200 safeties that can actually help play in the run. No question. 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:08.760 They got beat up front in that game. And look 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.200 they made the change for Colombo right with that following 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.880 bye week. The attitude has got to be doing. And yeah, 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.040 I've had a couple of different guys come up to me, 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.600 you know, late walking out the building the parking lot, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.080 and they said, hey, we're a different football team with 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.240 Mark Colombo as our coach. We're a different football team. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.440 And I and I up front with the ola. Absolutely 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.880 he goes there, he goes, watch prac if he goes 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.960 if you can watch practice, you could even see we're 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.119 a different football team. Well that's where it's going to 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.560 be decided. And you get another one that might be 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.760 what's the status of Smith? Did the owner come out 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.960 and say this morning he felt like a teaser teacher, 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.119 teaser teaser and we need to get into Michael Gallup. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.919 Also Michael Gallup situation as well, very unfortunate with his family. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.480 Let's touch on that on the other side of talking 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.160 Cowboys if you want to join the conversation eight five 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:03.719 five two two ninety seven next damn It. 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