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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: John Frasier is remember the council of the Society of

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Speaker 2: Psychical Research that was discovered and founded back in eighteen

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Speaker 2: eighty two, and he also sits on the Society Spontaneous

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Speaker 2: Cases Committee. He was previously the Vice Chair of Investigations

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Speaker 2: of the Ghost Club and there are two oldest societies

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Speaker 2: in the UK that investigate the paranormal phenomena. In addition

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Speaker 2: to conventional paranormal research, his topics of study have included

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Speaker 2: hypnotic regression and vampire folklore as well. His latest book

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Speaker 2: is called One Big Box of Paranormal Tricks, from Ghosts

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Speaker 2: to Poultergeist to the theory of just One Paranormal Power. John,

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Speaker 2: welcome back, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Hello George.

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Speaker 4: It's a pleasure to be with you again. And I

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Speaker 4: do apologize the long title of the book.

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Speaker 3: It seems to be a trait I have to be

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Speaker 3: fair of the paranormal perspectives.

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Speaker 4: Bit is because it is part of a series that's.

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Speaker 3: Gradually coming out and which people are giving their different

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Speaker 3: paranormal perspectives.

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Speaker 4: Mine's the second book out.

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Speaker 3: Has also been a book out by a psychologist and

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Speaker 3: psychic called Susan Plunked.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one great title because I think people will

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Speaker 2: remember it once they grasped it.

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Speaker 3: John, I sometimes struggle to him, I'm just about there.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do you mean by the first half of

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Speaker 2: the book, one big box of paranormal tricks?

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Speaker 3: Well, we spooked a few years ago about a book

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Speaker 3: A Lot on poulter Geis, in which I'd found a

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Speaker 3: was basically a correlation between ghosts and paul to guys,

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Speaker 3: you didn't get one without the other. And then lockdown

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Speaker 3: came and I had far too much time on my

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Speaker 3: hands to think, and I started to think about whether

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Speaker 3: this concept could be extended beyond.

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Speaker 4: Just posts and Poltergeists.

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Speaker 3: I mean, when you think about it, we've got so

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Speaker 3: many different types of paranormals and so many types of angles,

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Speaker 3: from occultism to witchcraft and black magic, white magic, spiritualism, pororter.

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Speaker 4: Guys, shamanism and salon And.

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Speaker 3: Do we really are these really just different ways of

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Speaker 3: talking about the same thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if we're ever.

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Speaker 3: Going to make the paranormal the slightest bit scientific I mean,

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Speaker 3: scientists do not usually present about fifteen different series at once.

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Speaker 3: Newton didn't have a separate theory about apple gravity and

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Speaker 3: then experimented with a banana if they existed, and then

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Speaker 3: had banana gravity. So I'm kind of wondering whether we're

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Speaker 3: all getting into o owned little niches in the paranormal

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Speaker 3: and whether there's an interrelatedness of nearly all paranormal phenomena.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good point as well. How did you

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Speaker 2: come up with all these incredible ghost stories?

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Speaker 3: How did I come up with all these incredible ghost stories? Well,

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Speaker 3: being on the Spontaneous Case Cases Committee of the of

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Speaker 3: the Society for Psychical Research.

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Speaker 4: Didn't do any harm.

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Speaker 3: We get contacted all the time by people with interesting tales.

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Speaker 3: That's something I got into in an early age and

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Speaker 3: basically have investigated ever since. The good stories come to me, thankfully.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts these days, John, on just the

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Speaker 2: way that people view ghosts and poltergeists.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little worried these days because a lot of

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Speaker 3: people investigate them and as demonologists.

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Speaker 4: Now, if you go into.

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Speaker 3: A haunted building with people that are probably a bit

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Speaker 3: I'm coming to help you. You will probably freak the

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Speaker 3: entire family of occupants out. It's a very belief led

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Speaker 3: means all investigators, But I mean, there are some famous

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Speaker 3: demon all the disks around, and they probably should turn

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Speaker 2: John, Have you ever been on a ghost investigation and

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Speaker 2: you asked yourself what am I doing here? Now?

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Speaker 3: Probably yes, But on the other hand, that's probably part

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Speaker 4: I mean, in my earlier days, I used.

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Speaker 3: I ended up, in this particular state placed Sandred Cottage

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Speaker 3: there to light flooting white objects around me, which I

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Speaker 3: love with the find finding out about the Unknown John.

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Speaker 2: Is a ghost different from a poltergeist?

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Speaker 3: I tend you'd get a different answer from every paranormal

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Speaker 3: they're almost certainly different, different phenomena from whatever the cause is.

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Speaker 3: Most ghost stories that are just appositions, at least this

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Speaker 3: side of the Atlantic, tend to be romantic legends that

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Speaker 3: are probably never ever actually seen. The ones that tend

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Speaker 3: Pontifact that's known as a Black Monk of Pontifacts.

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Speaker 4: Certainly not a black monk.

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Speaker 3: Somebody saw a shadowy figure, but we do get attached

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Speaker 3: to that is, all kinds of portugost activity from pools

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Speaker 3: they are almost certainly they're a huge overlap.

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Speaker 2: You've been to Transylvania looking for vampire information and folklore.

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Speaker 2: Did you come across anything?

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Speaker 3: I came across a I didn't come across a gentleman

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Speaker 3: stay at the castle Dracula Hotel were actually invited by

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Speaker 3: the people that invented Dracula tourism in communist times.

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Speaker 4: But what I've found by talking to them and other

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Speaker 3: You look at a lot of tales that they would

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Speaker 4: But probably just poltergeist cases.

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Speaker 3: pots and pans go flying around, So it's probably just

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Speaker 2: Have you ever come across a vampire in real life?

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Speaker 4: Not as far as I'm aware.

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Speaker 3: You never know, as as I said. As I said,

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Speaker 3: it's probably just the Eastern European way of talking about portergeist.

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Speaker 3: So I probably if I've come across a porter geist.

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Speaker 4: It's probably just a.

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Speaker 3: Cousin of our old friend, the vampire. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: actually I don't think, not not real ones anyway. So

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Speaker 3: I have met the people involved in the Highgate vampire

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Speaker 3: UK in the nineteen seventies. But even a gentleman I

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Speaker 2: And what does your gut tell you.

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Speaker 3: My gut tells me there are no vampires that go

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Speaker 2: Do they bite people, however, and draw blood?

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Speaker 4: No, I was looking there.

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Speaker 3: There are no vampires as of the way Bram.

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Speaker 4: Stuck about them.

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Speaker 3: I mean Bram hadn't even been to Transylvania. He found

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Speaker 3: And he created our concept of vampires. The real concept

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Speaker 3: I say, just the Romanian and Greek and other Eastern

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Speaker 4: Which are probably Portugeuist. So some other type of power, noormal.

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Speaker 2: There was an English goalkeeper by the name of Peter Barnetti.

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Speaker 2: He passed away four years ago. You highlight him in

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Speaker 2: your book.

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Speaker 3: Tell me why, because my I'm glad you're do any

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Speaker 3: persons have asked me about that one. That's great because

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Speaker 3: my book is a meditation. It's a theory of what

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Speaker 3: I've just one paranormal power, but it's really a meditation

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Speaker 4: And I kind of.

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Speaker 3: Half jokingly mentioned during the book that I was either

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Speaker 3: going to be a paranormal investigator or a goalkeeper when

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Speaker 3: I was young. But I at the age of about thirteen,

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Speaker 3: Also like like like me, he was a guy that

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Speaker 2: Well with John Fraser paranormal investigator, we're talking about his

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Speaker 2: latest book that just came out called One Big Box

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Speaker 2: of Paranormal Trip Tricks, from ghosts to Poulder guys to

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Speaker 2: the theory of just one paranormal power. What is that

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Speaker 2: one paranormal power?

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Speaker 3: John, I'm going to really disappoint you and and and

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: In my book, I I mean, I mean, you're sure

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Speaker 4: To something else. Now in the in the.

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Speaker 3: Book, I speculate or hypothec hypothecate that it appears to

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Speaker 3: be more likely or not to be something internal within

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Speaker 3: One of the reasons I come out with that very

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Speaker 3: tentative conclusion is because the a when there is portugeist

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Speaker 3: be it from another life or another dimension, they don't

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Speaker 3: do it particularly well. Quick example, you're your listeners are

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Speaker 3: of story for one of the Conjuring movies, quite adapted

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Speaker 2: It's a little weird. It's a little weird.

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Speaker 3: It would be a very weird elderly man, very normal

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Speaker 3: for a twelve or thirteen year old guild ask questions

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Speaker 3: like that when she was in a sort of plant state.

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Speaker 3: That very weird for an elderly man. There's so many

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Speaker 3: cases like that where the level of communication is so infantile.

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Speaker 3: I tend to think it is something within our subconscious.

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Speaker 2: In terms of conjuring up ghosts, did a lot of

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Speaker 2: people try to do that?

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Speaker 3: Not as many as there should be.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the best example.

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Speaker 3: Of that was the Philip experiment in the early nineteen seventies,

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Speaker 3: when a group of Canadian parapsychologists tried to conjure up

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Speaker 3: a spirit, an imaginary spirit known as Philip.

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Speaker 4: They give them an identity. He was a cavalier.

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Speaker 3: His wife had committed suicide when.

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Speaker 4: She realized he had a mistress.

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Speaker 3: You know, your typical ghost story now, but it didn't

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Speaker 3: actually appear. But while they were talking about him, they

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Speaker 3: suddenly found that objects started to move and portugueze activity

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Speaker 3: started to appear. And I kind of think, even though

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Speaker 3: that's one of the few experiments that I've gone down

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Speaker 3: those lines, what we do when we either go and

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Speaker 3: move into a new house or possibly after a bereavement,

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Speaker 3: is get ourselves into that same sort of state of

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Speaker 3: mindset state of expectancyossibly high, a state of consciousness where,

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Speaker 3: in effect, you can possibly create your own ghost or poltergeist.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't recommend you necessarily try it at home, but

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Speaker 3: if it can be done by a group of people,

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Speaker 3: is that not possibly what is happening spontaneously as well

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Speaker 3: under particular types of circumstances.

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