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Speaker 1: Take a listen to the nine one one call on

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Speaker 1: nine one one? Where is your emergency? I just want

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Speaker 1: So what's your address, ma'am? I live at hawks You. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I bet you say your friend is unconscious. He's unconscious.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted the apartment in there. Look like you're

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Speaker 1: hearing the roommate that comes home Corina, who immediately calls

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Speaker 1: nine one one If she knows something about the identity

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Speaker 1: one call. In fact, she thinks Fate is actually just

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Speaker 1: unconscious with me an all Star panel. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: author of red Flags on Amazon. Find her at Wendy

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Speaker 1: Patrick PhD dot com. Karen Stark, renowned psychologist joining me

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Speaker 1: at of New York at Karen Stark dot com. Cloyd

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Speaker 1: author of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jane Grant, Cloyd

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Speaker 1: Steiger dot com, Professor forensics, jacksonvill State University, author of

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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator.

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Speaker 1: But right now to Crime online dot com investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton, Nicole, I want you to take a listen

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Speaker 1: to one more segment of that nine one one call Nicole.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how to help her. Okay, Okay, okay?

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Speaker 1: How old is your How old is she? Okay? I

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Speaker 1: So I don't think, so, okay, listen to him. Everywhere

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Speaker 1: there's what there's blood everywhere. I don't know what that things. Guys.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Nicole Parton, doesn't nine one one have

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Speaker 1: struck by the fact that the roommate thinks Faith is

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Speaker 1: that now that is one of the things that has

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Speaker 1: calling from, so they can avoid that endless question of

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Speaker 1: you know. Nicole Parton joining me from crime online dot Com. Nicole,

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Speaker 1: this was an off campus apartment that so many college

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Speaker 1: So I think this apartment complex was full of a

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Speaker 1: To this day, there are still a lot of university

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Speaker 1: students who live in this same apartment complex, which plays

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Speaker 1: a key role because we have several people who heard

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Speaker 1: You're not kidding, Nicole, apart and take a listen now

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Speaker 1: to a little bit more than nine one one call.

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Speaker 1: What can we learn? Okay? Is she on her back,

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Speaker 1: nine one one call is worth its weight in gold

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Speaker 1: dot com. Karen, what is it about humans? Many people?

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Speaker 1: what you're listening to here is faith being murdered? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do crime stories with Nancy Grace. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: what you're listening to here his faith being murdered? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do. There's a critical moment of this recording here

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Speaker 1: where and it's it's so difficult for me to read

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Speaker 1: out even the transcript to you, but there's the words

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Speaker 1: I think she's dying and do it anyhow? I feel

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Speaker 1: like faith being restrain at that point based on what

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Speaker 1: I'm hearing it. Okay, listening listening to that, do you

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Speaker 1: recognize faith voice? I know it's faith. I have no

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Speaker 1: no doubt. What's wro faith family cringing with every graphic,

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Speaker 1: brutal detail. There's the phrase I can't believe you did it? Rosy, Well,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that statements? Impression is from

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Speaker 1: that statement is that the female herself has done something

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Speaker 1: at that point. Two, Faith either has hit her in

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Speaker 1: the head or whatever. To me, it sounds like free

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Speaker 1: against one. Wow. Our friends at crime watch Daily, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's certainly a turn of events, Nicole parton crime online

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Speaker 1: dot Com. What are they saying? It's hard to tell.

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Speaker 1: There have been a couple of different ideas of what's

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Speaker 1: being said in this. One is I can't believe you

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Speaker 1: did it, Rosy, which some would imply was a direction

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Speaker 1: to the roommate whose last name is Rosario. There's some

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Speaker 1: who's saying they can hear a clear out, but then

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Speaker 1: there's some people who say they hear music in the background,

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Speaker 1: so they're wondering if that phone call took place while

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Speaker 1: the girls were out earlier in the evening at a nightclub.

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Speaker 1: This is what we know. We know that Fate worked

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Speaker 1: as a waitress living off campus, had gone back to

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Speaker 1: college that summer, changing her major, and was now studying

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Speaker 1: to become an elementary school teacher. She shared an apartment

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Speaker 1: with Karina Rosario from New Jersey. We also know Rosario

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Speaker 1: had a boyfriend, a twenty one year old Koy Jones.

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Speaker 1: That relationship had fallen apart, and before the murderer the

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Speaker 1: two had to change the locks at the apartment because

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Speaker 1: Jones had reportedly kicked their doors in Rosario had also

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Speaker 1: taken out a restraining order against her former boyfriend. I

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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen one more time to

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Speaker 1: crime Watch, Deli speaking to the hedgepaths. What do you think, Connie,

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Speaker 1: she was being hurt, Adam e mad and afused. No matter,

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Speaker 1: what is there to happen? What are your thoughts to

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Speaker 1: this point, Chad? I just can't help but think about

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Speaker 1: the Chopper Hill Police Department right now, and I wonder

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Speaker 1: what they've been doing for the past three years if

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Speaker 1: it is what we're hearing. I mean, she's a she's

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Speaker 1: a very brave girl, right and of course she saw

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Speaker 1: the bruises of her of course her Haynes was for

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Speaker 1: me recognisable. Despite three and a half long years, Faith's

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Speaker 1: family still holds out hope that this case will be

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Speaker 1: solved soon, and while we can't independently verify Arlow's analysis

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Speaker 1: of the recording, they are hoping the voicemail will lead

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Speaker 1: to the killer, or at least bring a witness forward

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Speaker 1: to at last achieve justice for Faith need to be

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Speaker 1: able to move on. As recently as the last week's

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Speaker 1: Faith's family begging, begging for a resolution in their daughters murder.

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Speaker 1: A brutal murder who murdered Faith Hedgepath. There's a forty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars reward. The tipline is eight six six four

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Speaker 1: three nine two six eighty three. You can go to

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Speaker 1: crime online dot com and see a photo and read

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Speaker 1: more about Faith Hedgepath eight six six four three nine

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Speaker 1: two six eighty three. The family of the slang UNC

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Speaker 1: student desperate for answers in her murder. She would have

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Speaker 1: been the very first person in their family to graduate

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Speaker 1: from college. Faith was an honor student. She excelled in studies,

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Speaker 1: even earned the Gates Millennium scholarship to attend University of

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Speaker 1: North Carolina Chapel Hill. She had considered becoming a pediatrician,

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Speaker 1: and while studying at Chapel Hill, decided to be an

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Speaker 1: elementary school teacher. Her dream of becoming a teacher or

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Speaker 1: a pediatrician came to an end when she was brutally

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Speaker 1: raped and murdered in her own apartment, and even now

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Speaker 1: police seem to be stymied. To Nicole parton crime online

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Speaker 1: dot com, what's the latest in the murder investigation? The

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Speaker 1: very latest is that. The police there say that they

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Speaker 1: have interviewed over twelve hundred leads. They have ran DNA

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Speaker 1: tests on over one hundred men that had direct relation

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Speaker 1: to these girls, whether it be text messages, people they

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Speaker 1: had met online. They have ran down every path possible.

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Speaker 1: Still that ind but the search continues. You know, to

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, not only was she an honor student

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Speaker 1: all a's, she was a cheerleader in all sorts of

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Speaker 1: extracurricular clubs and organizations. And the reason I say that

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Speaker 1: is not because her life is more valuable than somebody

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Speaker 1: else's life, but it tells me if she's that dedicated,

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Speaker 1: she's not drugging and boozing and clubbing all night. She

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Speaker 1: was at home in bed when this happened to her.

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Speaker 1: That narrows my pool of killers. Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: You know, UNC is for this environment to be in academically,

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Speaker 1: and so you have to be committed there as a student,

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Speaker 1: and she obviously was. So yeah, she's not out in

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Speaker 1: the periphery engaging with people. But you have to go

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Speaker 1: back and look at the people she may have had

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Speaker 1: contact with. Obviously we have the roommate and any kind

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Speaker 1: of associated people that they bring into her orbit. And

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Speaker 1: also this waitressing job that she had, who could she

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Speaker 1: have come in contact with there exactly. I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to ask Steiger about that. Cloyd Steiger, she was a

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Speaker 1: waitress at the very popular Red Robin restaurant. That opens

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Speaker 1: up another pool of suspects. Yeah, it could be somebody

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Speaker 1: that became obsessed with her that she didn't necessarily really know.

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Speaker 1: But maybe she's seen the regular customer and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: maybe he asked her out and she spurned him or

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Speaker 1: said no, and he's built this up. You're just never know,

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Speaker 1: and that's a very vulnerable thing. And let the young

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Speaker 1: people go to Red Robin, people around her age, that'd

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Speaker 1: be something you'd look at about that voicemail, though, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to mention they should have a time stamp on

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Speaker 1: that voicemail that tells him what time it was received,

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Speaker 1: so that would if it was at the club, they

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Speaker 1: should know that. I don't understand. Now there's a question. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Another issue is she had just come back that evening

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Speaker 1: from a shift waitressing at Red Robin. Did someone follow

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Speaker 1: her home? The family desperate for answers tipline eight six

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Speaker 1: six four three nine to six eighty three, there's a

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Speaker 1: forty thousand dollar reboard. We Wait as Justice and fools

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Speaker 1: Fancy Grace crime story, signing off goodbye friend,