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Speaker 1: I Smell pop Culture with Eastern Allen and I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Podcast. Hey everybody, Easton Allen, I am all in Podcast,

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Speaker 1: one of the productions I Heart Radio, I Heart Media,

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Speaker 1: I heart podcasts. Hey listen, I got it. I got

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Speaker 1: a hot tip for you. I got it.

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Speaker 1: They told me not to say this. They told me

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Speaker 1: not to say anything, but I gotta tell you. Get

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Speaker 1: really close to this is a secret. Okay. I smell

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Speaker 1: pop culture. Isn't that crazy. That's some hot gossip, baby,

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Speaker 1: I smell pop culture. That's what we do on this show.

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Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls. We love it. We love the Gilmore Girls.

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Speaker 1: And they talk. They reference pop culture every single episode

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Speaker 1: so many times. And we're going peace by piece. We

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Speaker 1: are scrolling through. We are digging like a guy in

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Speaker 1: a gold mine. We're looking for the gems. We're looking

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Speaker 1: for the dirt. We're looking for the pop culture nuggets.

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Speaker 1: We are going to explore them. We're gonna see what

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Speaker 1: makes them tick and talk to the people behind these

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Speaker 1: pop culture moments. Today we are talking to aj Benza.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know who aj Benza is, you should.

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Speaker 1: He is the king of gossip. He ran a gossip

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Speaker 1: column in the New York Daily News, he was on

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Speaker 1: the Gossip Show on E and most importantly, he was

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Speaker 1: mentioned in Gilmore Girls. That's why we're talking about today,

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Speaker 1: Season two, episode two, Hammers and Nails. Okay, so here

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Speaker 1: you go, close your eyes. I'm gonna set the scene

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Speaker 1: for you. It's right at the beginning of the episode.

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Speaker 1: The opening credits end. We're at Chilton. Louise, Paris, and

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Speaker 1: Madeline are talking about their academic performance. Madeline says, maybe

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Speaker 1: I won't go to college, and Louise says Princess Grace

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Speaker 1: didn't go to college, to which Paris adds, thanks for

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Speaker 1: the history lesson aj Benza. Aj Benza isn't a typical historian,

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Speaker 1: but he fits in right here on our journey through

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Speaker 1: pop culture. He as I said before, he ran a

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Speaker 1: gossip column in the New York Daily News. He had

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Speaker 1: a show on E called Mysteries and Scandals that I

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Speaker 1: loved growing up. Might I want to tell you get

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Speaker 1: something really quick about my life. I don't know. You

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Speaker 1: can skip ahead if you don't care about me, just

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Speaker 1: skip ahead. But my dad is a He is a

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Speaker 1: bodybuilder and he has a cop He's a very masculine person,

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Speaker 1: very tough guy. He's like so tall, this giant man.

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Speaker 1: He loved the E Channel. He was like obsessed with it.

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Speaker 1: He would watch the E Channel constantly when I was

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Speaker 1: growing up. He's loved The Gossip Show in particular. He

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Speaker 1: I tell him about all the stuff I'm doing at

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Speaker 1: You're norther there. I told him I was talking to

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Speaker 1: aj Benza. He lit up. He was so excited. But

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Speaker 1: Aj Benza hosted a show called Mysteries and Scandals that

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Speaker 1: I remember really liking when I was a little kid.

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Speaker 1: Had this opening of someone making the title card out

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Speaker 1: Aj bens has got this cool slick back hair. He's

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Speaker 1: next to an old Cadillac, and he's like, not every

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Speaker 1: story on the dark side of Hollywood ends with a

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Speaker 1: and he's still doing it, baby. He has a podcast

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Speaker 1: out now called Fame Is a Bitch. That is a

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Speaker 1: phrase that he coined. Fame Ain't at a bitch is

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Speaker 1: a specific line. But he has a podcast down now.

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Speaker 1: We still talks about celebrity gossip. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: to AJ Benza all about this. We're gonna find out

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Speaker 1: how to keep a secret, how to find a secret.

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Speaker 1: We're going to hear it all. He's coming up right

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Speaker 1: after this stay with us. AJ Benza, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for doing this. We're so excited to talk to

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Speaker 2: Same here.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a longtime fan. I watched Mysteries and Scandals

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Speaker 2: Wow? Well? I was I was a sportswriter to begin with,

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Speaker 2: and I got the column, and that was another six

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious, like when you're when you're out there

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Speaker 2: I mean, I did study acting, so I don't want

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Speaker 2: I'm still doing it on my podcast. I'm still doing

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Speaker 2: gossip to this day. It's been about thirty five years

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Speaker 2: of me, you know, still talking about movie stars and

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Speaker 1: I love it. The podcast is Fame as a Bitch

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Speaker 1: with aj Benza. It's a great show, updating multiple times

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Speaker 1: work this morning. It's a really fantastic program. You've done

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Speaker 1: the internet. How is podcasting different for you from all

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Speaker 2: I like a deadline. You know, a lot of a

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Speaker 1: to roll on? Famous a bitch with aj Benza. You

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Speaker 1: so much for your time today, a J's It's been

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