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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is Matt Williams,

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Speaker 1: and it is a beautiful right here in Phoenix. We

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Speaker 1: are still in Phoenix, Arizona, at the Arizona Biltmore here

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Speaker 1: where the owners meetings. They wrapped up basically yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: there's still some things happening here. Uh you know, there's

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Speaker 1: still some guys hanging about and right around and um

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Speaker 1: quieter obviously. Yeah, pretty much all the NFL movers and

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Speaker 1: shakers skedaddled. If they didn't go last night, they left

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Speaker 1: early this morning, right right, right now, we'll skidaddle tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But we've got three more hours here for you to

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Speaker 1: absolutely chat about what's going on in the right right right.

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Speaker 1: A good week, Yeah, absolutely had a lot of interesting

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Speaker 1: guests this week. We've handled a lot of business here.

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Speaker 1: The NFL handled a lot of business as well, going

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Speaker 1: through some uh some rule changes. One thing we didn't

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Speaker 1: that the Guardian helmets that everybody was screaming and yelling

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Speaker 1: about last year more sort of fans. Yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: look weird. They look weird. We're going to see more

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Speaker 1: of them this year. Okay, I didn't catch that. They

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Speaker 1: must have been a successful experiment all in all. Huh,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers were already at the forefront on that, right.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin did them in Mini camp and things that

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Speaker 1: you know, not everybody did in the league. Yeah, not

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Speaker 1: everybody did for Mini camp, but it was mandatory for

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Speaker 1: those first couple of weeks of training camp, and then

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Speaker 1: Tomlin continued to have them wear them, um, not just

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Speaker 1: through the rest of training camp, but then into the

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Speaker 1: regular season as well. A lot of guys wore them.

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Speaker 1: Who cares what they look like? Practice? Talking about practice, right, right?

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Speaker 1: I mean if it, you know, it alleviates one injury

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Speaker 1: or extends one career, it's worth it. Yeah, absolutely, Why not?

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Speaker 1: I assume that's the way Tomlin looked at it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he just figures it, you know, safety, safety,

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Speaker 1: and if you if you can be safer, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit less impact or whatever. Yeah. Interesting, So

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Speaker 1: the league must have thought it was a good idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: looking here at some of the other breakdowns on these,

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Speaker 1: they expanded the rule against the use of the helmet

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Speaker 1: as a weapon. Okay, that was what the verbiage when

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Speaker 1: we talked about that one fifteen yard penalty will continue

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Speaker 1: to be called upon or called if a player lowers

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Speaker 1: his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against

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Speaker 1: an opponent. But now a player also will be penalize

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Speaker 1: if he uses any part of his helmet or face

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Speaker 1: mask to butt or make forcible contact to an opponent's

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to call that. And like in the trenches,

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Speaker 1: a pit and we were trying to learn similar techniques

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Speaker 1: to what coach Mitchell was teaching his defensive lineman during

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Speaker 1: the Aaron Smith Casey Hampton Erope. The ideas you know,

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Speaker 1: remember sitting in there just kind of listening and learning

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Speaker 1: whatever I could. And a big thing that they would

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Speaker 1: teach those guys was head in hands. They created a

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Speaker 1: triangle with three points of contact for the offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: That can't be illegal yeah, they're saying. It says here

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Speaker 1: in the story on NFL dot com, um, incidental contact

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Speaker 1: with the mask or helmet of the course of a

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Speaker 1: conventional blocker tackle is allowed. Um, this is something that's

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Speaker 1: going to be called on players in space. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that makes some sense. Yeah, and I hope it

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Speaker 1: doesn't interfere with I mean, many many people were taught,

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Speaker 1: as a tackler, I mean, try to get across their

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Speaker 1: and get you know, contact with head and you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what happens about what happens a

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Speaker 1: lot of times with these kind of penalties, with these

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Speaker 1: But hey, we warned you. You know, we we coached

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Speaker 1: you up what we're gonna do. Uh. The as I

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Speaker 1: Now they'll be man, did it every preseason practice as

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Speaker 1: I mean they're not attractive, but I could care less. Um,

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Speaker 1: time of the helmet hit, the capit will absorb eleven

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Speaker 1: force of the impact is reduced by about around twenty percent. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot. That's significant amount. Yeah. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: The hip drop tackle that they were talking about, Okay,

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Speaker 1: into the owner's May meeting. The league once coaches to

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Speaker 1: agree on a definition of what constitutes a hip drop tackle.

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Speaker 1: that was a dirty tackle. I don't know it was intentionally,

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Speaker 1: and tack tackles harden this league. The first time somebody

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Speaker 1: times much more limited. You know, rarely anyone track tackles

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Speaker 1: But deep down, I think after last year, the NFL

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Speaker 1: wants more offense. One. Yeah, absolutely, you know, absolutely, And

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't difficult enough. But that scoring was down,

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Speaker 1: The other thing that the league did yesterday was expanded

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Speaker 1: the Thursday night game. What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 1: Now all teams can play two oh during the season.

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Speaker 1: What they didn't do, however, was make those games flexible,

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Speaker 1: and art Ernie talked about that yesterday. Art Ernie the

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Speaker 1: and he's, you know, he voted against flexing those things

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Speaker 1: and he said, that's just that's just not enough turner

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Speaker 1: that the NFL was in decline. Okay, people weren't well

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Speaker 1: recently had a strike, Yeah yeah, and so yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: um and you know that there were Sports Illustrated, you know,

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Speaker 1: did a it was a cover piece. Is this the

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Speaker 1: end of the NFL? I guess USFL was a competitive

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Speaker 1: competitive right? Yeah? The league couldn't be stronger than it

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Speaker 1: is now. No, No, I mean TV gambling. That's thirty

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Speaker 1: years that's thirty years ago. People thirty year the NFL's

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Speaker 1: and you know, there were people who I remember the

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Speaker 1: first million dollar contract was right around then. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: whoa man, I don't know where to do about that. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: But there were people who know the game, who covered

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Speaker 1: the game a lot. It was talking We're talking about

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Speaker 1: Howard coach coach selling. They're saying, I think the league

437
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Speaker 1: is in decline, and I don't think it's ever going

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Speaker 1: to be like it was. Wow. Wow, They're so good

439
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: at what they do. Yeah, you know, and they I mean,

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00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: this is a perfect example of just keeping the year

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Speaker 1: so relevant. I mean, the draft right around the corner,

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Speaker 1: and you know, free agencies and started. We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: back from here, and you know, less than or three

444
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Speaker 1: weeks later, we're gonna be drafting. Yeah heavy, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: and then there's still two former MVPs that could be moving,

446
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Speaker 1: and you know, there's other trade candidates and there will

447
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Speaker 1: be more signed names. I bet there's a trade or two,

448
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so it's crazy. Yeah, absolutely, Hey, Matt,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson. I

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Speaker 1: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We are live at the Arizona Builtmore

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Speaker 1: in Phoenix for the NFL meetings that basically wrapped up yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but we are still here bringing it to You're bringing

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Speaker 1: you all the news of everything that happened here this week.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break. We'll be back as more

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Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back. I am Dale Lally. He

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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson, and this is the drive. We are

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Speaker 1: live at the Arizona Builtmore here in Phoenix. The NFL

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Speaker 1: annual meeting taking the place here this week and pretty

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Speaker 1: much kind of wrapping up yesterday, but still some guys

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Speaker 1: here milling and back. Most of the movers and the

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Speaker 1: shakers in the NFL, the those who would make any

463
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Speaker 1: decisions are not kind of gone here, yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: accommodations are still here. I's got a fresh cup of coffee.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's pastries and stuff over there that's all

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Speaker 1: for us. Yeah. I was just talking to a reporter

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Speaker 1: in there, and I'm like, I don't think we're gonna

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Speaker 1: run out of coffee day. It's like, yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: keep looking at those pastries and there's only three or

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Speaker 1: four of us to eat a hundred of them through

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Speaker 1: my part. Yeah, right right, right right. Um so, man,

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Speaker 1: we had a triple take drop today. Yeah, we did

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Speaker 1: on the on my position Steelers dot com. It is

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Speaker 1: your position, the tight end position. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: you if you take a look at that, uh, that

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Speaker 1: triple take. Yeah, that group is unbelievable to me. Um

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Speaker 1: just if you know, just looking at how we had

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Speaker 1: these guys ranked the top we we break down the

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Speaker 1: top five, but then we added you know, the second

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Speaker 1: time through here. As you're looking, I just want to

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Speaker 1: throw one thing out there that um our buddy Dane

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Speaker 1: Bruegler at the Athletic put out his top one hundred

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Speaker 1: today and we'll go through some of that. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I was just looking how many tight ends are in

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Speaker 1: his top one hundred, and there's eight of them, you know,

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Speaker 1: and two of them are eighty nine and in ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: So there's six in the top sixty three cornerbacks. I

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Speaker 1: will look. Give me a second. Usually this is your

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Speaker 1: job to do the laptop work. There's would be a

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Speaker 1: lot four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

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Speaker 1: including number one hundred Cory Trice. Yeah, so fifteen in

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Speaker 1: the top one hundred that's uh, you know, we again

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Speaker 1: we talked about the inside. We had lance as zero

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Speaker 1: lines rankings of the positions. Yeah, you kind of disagree

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Speaker 1: with the tight end position being as low as it

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Speaker 1: was cornerbacks the top one hundred, right, no doubt. I

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Speaker 1: just think that most of you know mathematician here, but

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Speaker 1: that will be fifteen percent of the top one hundred, right, right.

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Speaker 1: But to my counterpoint, I had what eight of the

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Speaker 1: top ten or tight ends, which half as money, probably

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Speaker 1: double the norm. Though it's double the norm, but it's

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Speaker 1: still not like not in every draft, there's not fifteen No,

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Speaker 1: both corners strange, both are on the upper edges of

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Speaker 1: the hundred percent. Yeah, and a lot of starters, you know,

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Speaker 1: well yeah, right, potential starters. So just looking here. So

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Speaker 1: my my initial my initial top five, I had Michael Mayor,

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Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave, darn Out, Washington, Dalton Kincaid, Tucker Craft. I

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Speaker 1: changed that up here a little bit. I still have Mayor,

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Speaker 1: I bumped Washington and number two Musgrave, Kincaid, Sam Laporta

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Speaker 1: understand bumped up based off his work out. You have

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Speaker 1: on that, um my first go that you changed the

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Speaker 1: you didn't change the five to five, but you've changed

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Speaker 1: the order a little bit. Yeah, and I know my

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Speaker 1: take has not change changed the order at all. I

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Speaker 1: didn't those okay, um, because I was torn kind of

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Speaker 1: like you said, your first one had Craft at five,

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Speaker 1: your second one had Laportah. Both times they were like

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Speaker 1: tied for five for me, really really close hairs. And

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Speaker 1: I really think those top four were maybe my hardest

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Speaker 1: position to rank, Yeah, because I think all four of

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Speaker 1: you could put any of them. You could throw those

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Speaker 1: guys up in anyone, put them in a bag, you know,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of dice, roll them out, and I will

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Speaker 1: say this, You're kind of depends on what you're looking at.

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Speaker 1: Kincaid in Washington can be any different, you know, it

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Speaker 1: just depends what you're looking for Mayor and Washington or

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Speaker 1: more your combo tight ends. Yeah, they're more traditional Bruner,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, old school like, whereas Musgraven,

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Speaker 1: Kincaid or the move tight ends. It's especially Kincaid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, Kincaid's to forty. Like I use the example

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Speaker 1: and something I wrote recently that Kincaid is closer to

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Speaker 1: Smith and the Jigba than he is to Zach Gentry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, and if Zach Gentry weren't a Steeler, I

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Speaker 1: would more lean towards Washington and Mayor. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you had to pick one of those four, it just

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Speaker 1: depends what you have and what you're looking for. See

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Speaker 1: when I when I do rankings like this, and it's

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Speaker 1: always been this way, I look at them through a

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Speaker 1: Steelers lens. I don't. I mean, I think that's where

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Speaker 1: we differ. That's where and I've always done that. I

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Speaker 1: do that when you know, for all the years that

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Speaker 1: I ranked players, regardless of what outlet I've been working for,

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Speaker 1: I always rank guys based on how they would fit

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers and if the Steelers would like them,

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Speaker 1: because I'm riding for Steelers fans. Sure, sure, um you know,

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Speaker 1: so that's just the way I approach it. So, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I still like Tucker Craft. I just think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that that to me is why I

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Speaker 1: had Mayor in Washington one and two. Those would be

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Speaker 1: the kind of tight ends that they're looking for they

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Speaker 1: have historically, They're not looking for a guy who's just

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Speaker 1: going to go out there and catch passes. I don't

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Speaker 1: think so, But I mean I think that everyone changes

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Speaker 1: quickly in this league, and not that signing Gentry is

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Speaker 1: an earth shattering move. But I would have had no

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Speaker 1: interest in Kincaid a week ago. Now a Gentry in

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Speaker 1: the mix, he would be my slot. Yeah, here's the field,

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Speaker 1: here's where the Steelers have made a move in that direction,

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Speaker 1: and that's Connor Heyward. Connor Hayward is not a traditional

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Speaker 1: Steelers tight end. He's not a traditional Steeler. He's not

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Speaker 1: a traditional NFL tight end, right. See. I think he's

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Speaker 1: called Uthcheck, yeah, you know, or Chris Cooley or you

563
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: know those old school h back but he could he

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Speaker 1: still does that kind of stuff. He's just not somebody

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Speaker 1: that they typically have going to their tight end room.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's because his last name is Hayward. No, no,

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Speaker 1: And I think that they are looking for multiple weapons,

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Speaker 1: you know, like you could put Friarmouth, Gentry and Hayward

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Speaker 1: on the field together and not be goal line right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Friarmouth and Hayward are they

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Speaker 1: could be in the slot they often are or motion guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, Gentry doesn't do that, so you know, but

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Speaker 1: still so when I'm looking at at the Steeler's tight

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Speaker 1: end position, or looking at this tight end position through

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Speaker 1: a Steeler's lens. I don't want another pass catcher because

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Speaker 1: that's what Hayward does. You're not gonna line up and

577
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: ask him to block defensive ends. No, no, you're not.

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Speaker 1: And my thoughts on it are, though they need one

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Speaker 1: more receiver, and I'm lumping wide outs and tight ends together.

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Speaker 1: I hear you in that. Yeah, and if I can

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Speaker 1: get Kincaid, I don't need to slot wide out anymore,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because he'll some packages. Gentry

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Speaker 1: won't be on the field, Firemouth will be in line

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Speaker 1: or not. Kincaid will be the it's a basketball team,

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00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: you know, he'll be the shooting guard. But I also

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Speaker 1: don't want to become the ravens now roster building question

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00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: for you, though, I think, and I got so many

588
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: of these questions because everyone knows Williamson wants a tight end.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been made it very clear. Signing Gentry

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Speaker 1: to me does not mean you don't You're it's prohibitive

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Speaker 1: the drafted they only keep three. Yeah. Well, here's the thing,

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00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: so you know, if Derek Watt is not back and

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Speaker 1: he is still not under contract, No, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he won't be back. He's still a very valuable special

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Speaker 1: teams guy. Um, you know, he played the most special

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Speaker 1: team snaps on the team last year and well and

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00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: and does it at a very high level. But if

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Speaker 1: he's not back, Hayward now goes to your running back room,

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00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: right because he's your fullback. He's your fullback. And Roberts

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Speaker 1: has done that in a pinch. Yeah you know, I

601
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Speaker 1: mean some people told me he didn't like it. I've

602
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: never heard that before. I mean, you did it willingly

603
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: and ran into people and moved them to the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage as a downhill fullback. Yeah. I asked him

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Speaker 1: about that when we had you know, he said he

606
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: would do whatever, uh, you know, whatever the team needs.

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00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: But he did that out of necessity that year when

608
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Speaker 1: that he did it with the Patriots because it's real

609
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: pots all their other tight ends and fullbacks were hurt. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And I mean I know it's not a special Yeah. Yeah,

611
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: he's a very good special teamer as well. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I mean the fullback on offense really only plays four

613
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: or five snaps and doesn't even have to do that. Now,

614
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: they did incorporate, especially if we use an extra offensive linement,

615
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: which I think they'll do more if they draft a tackle.

616
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: They did more last year to incorporate Wad into the offense. Yes,

617
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: that's definitely true. But I think post Claypool trade was

618
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: that fifth skill guy, Gentry got the biggest bump. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even I'm not even saying in terms of playing time,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying usage. Yes, in terms of he actually

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Speaker 1: touched the football. He became a short yardage guy. Yeah, yeah,

622
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: he became you know they hit they hit that quick

623
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Speaker 1: uh fullback slam play. Yeah yeah, a bunch of times. Yeah. Um.

624
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: And I think Hayward could do that just as well.

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00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: That's why I'm wondering if they if they started down

626
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: that road, because hey, we're gonna do it with Hayward

627
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: next year. And he's a he's a he's a better athlete.

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00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: He's a better athlete than one probably a better ball carry,

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Speaker 1: and we can do some of these things with you know,

630
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: people forget you know, he played wide receiver, tight end,

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Speaker 1: running back state right right now. I think he's a

632
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Speaker 1: valuable piece, but you have to not necessarily have a

633
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Speaker 1: package for him, but realize him and Gentry aren't at

634
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: all the same. Well, that's that's that's so prior to

635
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: to resigning Gentry, you had a definite need there because

636
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: if something happens to Friar, move and fire him is

637
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: not a people mover. Yeah, you know, but if something

638
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: happens to him, you don't just automatically plug Connor Hayward

639
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: in for him and played sixty staffs a game for right,

640
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: right there, definitely wasn't there. But I don't think there's

641
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: a need there now. But I don't think there's a

642
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: blockage for well, you really like this guy, take him.

643
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Speaker 1: So here's a don't I'm not taking one of seven.

644
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: So here's the Yeah, here's the thing about the tight

645
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: end position this year, Matt, because there are so many

646
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: available at so you have the top hundred there, Yeah,

647
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: there's eight of them. Here's eight right there? Probably aren't

648
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: going to be eight tight ends drafted in the top

649
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Speaker 1: one hundred picks. No, I mean, how many teams truly

650
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: will consider that twenty? Right? You know that they're saying

651
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: tight ends a primary need for us, and the Steelers

652
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: aren't one of them, but how many actually would? Let alone,

653
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: every team that does isn't going to take a second one, Yeah,

654
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, so they will fall. So the other part

655
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: of that then becomes, so if there's eight guys in

656
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Speaker 1: the top one hundred, how many tight ends are in

657
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the top two hundred, how many tight ends are in

658
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: the top three hundred, and then how many of those

659
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: guys go undrafted? So you can get a guy at

660
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: that tight end position this year as an undrafted player.

661
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: You might get like Coops in the seventh round. You

662
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: might get him undrafted, you might get undrafted and just

663
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: sign him, and then you're now You've got now you

664
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Speaker 1: would have been a sixth round pick or fifth round

665
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: pick in a previous year, right, because that position is

666
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: so deep, right, same thing at the cornerback, we're both

667
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of saying the same thing, like I just want

668
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: to get one because you can get in the meta discount.

669
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Speaker 1: But if I'm gonna get a guy who years one

670
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Speaker 1: off the board, yeah, if I'm going to get a

671
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: guy who in most years would have been a fifth

672
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: round draft pick. Remember Gentry was a fifth round draft pick,

673
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: Jesse James was a fifth round If I'm getting a

674
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: player of that talent, I'm draft drafted or with those seven, two,

675
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: seventh or whatever, it's fantastic. That's fantastic because he's a

676
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: real chance to make that. It's absolutely it's your third

677
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: tight end. And maybe he's maybe he's a guy that

678
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: compliments gentry. Maybe he's a pass catcher that compliments fire

679
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: move that I get to work with as a blocker.

680
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: But he's talented enough to make my roster. So I know,

681
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Kendrick Green didn't work out at the center. But we

682
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: went into that draft that time of year, whether or

683
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: two years ago, saying the Steelers need a center. Steelers

684
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: need a center. That's the Humphrey Center. Year there was

685
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Myers from Ohio State. There was like five that looked

686
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: like they were projected to be starters. And like Kendrick Green,

687
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: these eight that I'm looking at aren't all going to

688
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: work out, folks, you know, I mean, there's a human

689
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: nature to this. So what you do, though, as a

690
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: franchise is your pro scouting team comes in and says,

691
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: I can really only see ten teams being in the

692
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: market for a center, and these three are probably gonna

693
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: take one. Kansas City just doesn't have a center. They're

694
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: gonna get one, you know. So but as soon as

695
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: that team goes and takes the center. You can check

696
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: them off the board take not taken two. And tight

697
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: ends are really similar that way. It's not like wide

698
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: outs or d backs or you know, like most unless

699
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: you're Baltimore, you're carrying three. A lot of teams only

700
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: carry two, some carrying one. Yes, if we don't if

701
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: we count Hayward though, I think the Steelers can carry four, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

702
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: of that body type because they were in gentry on

703
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: body teams at all. Well, they did with what last year?

704
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: You know, they did stuff with what where he's out

705
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: on the wing? Yeah, right, right, right, and again I

706
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: would rather Hey, we'll do that then what Yeah? Yeah, Okay,

707
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: we're speaking in the same language. So it's just interesting.

708
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know that you necessarily draft a

709
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: tight end. I think you can wait and maybe get

710
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: a decent guy once the draft is over, like a

711
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: guy that I've really warmed up to. The two actually

712
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: at the end of this this list is the eighty

713
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: ninth player in the ninety seventh player on Dane's board

714
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: is Schoonmaker from Michigan, Yeah, and Strange from Penn State.

715
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: Strange is a nasty, nasty blocker and a good athlete.

716
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: That has been blocked by Friarmouth over the years, and

717
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: guys like that. I got a guy there now who's

718
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: supposedly as a star. Yeah, And I was actually talking

719
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: to Jerry Doolock yesterday about it. He's like to wait

720
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: till the next guy you see, you know, I mean,

721
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: so strange has been kind of blocked. So maybe you know,

722
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: just watching his tape he's a fourth rounder. You get

723
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: him at the end of the fifth or something like that.

724
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that would be fine with me. That

725
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: would that would itch might that would scratch my itch,

726
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it doesn't have to be Washington

727
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: at thirty two or something like that. Was Cameron Latu.

728
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: Is he in the top He's not in the top one.

729
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: I mean there's another guy there's there's more was talented,

730
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: more than they can do something. I mean. So yeah,

731
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: there's guys that what are you looking for? And what

732
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: are you looking for? Right? And you know the thing

733
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: about what the Steelers look for at that tight end position,

734
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: it is different than what a lot of other teams, right, Like,

735
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: they want guys who can who can block first and

736
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: that you know them become receivers. Now farm Moo's a

737
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: little different. He's a better receiver than blocker, but he's

738
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: not a zero as a blocker, right right, He's yeah.

739
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's not a big wide out. Um, I

740
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: mean he's a he's a modern day tight end. I mean,

741
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: the guys coming in the league are different. I mean

742
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: there's not many Kyle Bradies and Mark Bruners anymore. You know,

743
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: the run four eight fives, you know, and they're really

744
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: good blockers. But those guys have a place in the league.

745
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: They do, they do, They just don't get drafted highly.

746
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: So for example, I never I haven't seen anyone else

747
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: do this, but these mocks we've done with Mike twice,

748
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: I think I've had the Chiefs take one of the

749
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: tight ends. Yeah, just learn from Kelsey and a guy

750
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: like Musgrave or Kincaid. Where So, if you were the

751
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: Steelers though, and I don't think, well, you know, to

752
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: your point, it won't come to this. But if you

753
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: had your choice right now, a genie comes out of

754
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: the bottle and says, hey, Dale, you can add one

755
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: tight end from this draft to the Steelers roster right

756
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: now for free. Who would you pick one for? It

757
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: doesn't cost anything? Again, I'm gonna look at this. You

758
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: would you, I mean you said you kind of did

759
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: this through a Steeler lens. Would Mayor be your pick?

760
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I have Mayor's number one. I have Washington number two. Okay,

761
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: so that's through a Steeler's eyes. If I said you

762
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: could have one of these guys for free, doesn't cost

763
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: you a pick, you would take Mayor? Yeah, okay, I

764
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: mean I don't think they'd be unhappy with that at all. No,

765
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a guy who plays in

766
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: the lake for ten years. He's been very successful to

767
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: a big program. He blocks, he's nasty, you know. Yeah,

768
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I would probably take Muskgrave, but I don't think he's well,

769
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: I take that back. He's my number one from a

770
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: generic thirty two team lens. I don't know that he's

771
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: a great fit here, you know what I mean. They

772
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: may prefer I might take Washington over him, because I

773
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: had Washington over Mayor, you know, just as a bigger,

774
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: better version of Gentry, not even bigger, but better, a

775
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: more athletic. Yeah, he's really not that sounds he's not bigger.

776
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: The last little nugget about the tight end stuff is

777
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: they last year they were near the bottom of the

778
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: league in six offensive line sets, Scott came out ten

779
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: snaps something like that. Previous to that, they were always

780
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: at the top of the league. I think it's just

781
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: because they didn't have a great sixth linemen. But if

782
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: you if you're forty seventh pick or thirty second pick,

783
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: is a tackle, I want to see him get on

784
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: the field. If it's not feed doubt, then yeah, if

785
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: not from day one, he's going to be doing it

786
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, you may still line up, you know,

787
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: in week one with Gentry is that guy, Oh for sure.

788
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: But as as it's just another option, you know, like

789
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: if the wad Jones is sitting there with his helmet

790
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: in his hands on the sidelines, I wouldn't mind seeing

791
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: him five or six snaps a game lined up next

792
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: to Dan Moore or Joops, you know, and Gentry could

793
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: be lined up next to him too, you know, absolutely

794
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of options. Hey, you could now listen

795
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: to Steelers Nation Radio anytime anywhere through your smart speaker.

796
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,239
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797
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,560
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798
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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lali we are live at

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00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: the Arizona Built Moore here for the twenty twenty three

800
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: NFL Annual Meeting. We're gonna take a break. We'll be

801
00:39:30,640 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: back with more right after this. If he makes more money,

802
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: we make it. Oh, welcome back. I'm Dale Lally. He

803
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson, and this is the Drive on Steelers

804
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: Nation Radio. And we are live at the Arizona Built

805
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: Moore here in Phoenix, where the owners meetings are wrapping

806
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: up today for the most I mean, they're kind of

807
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: rapped up, but there's still a good sun. Yeah, the

808
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: heavy lifting is done, the hay is in the barn.

809
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: It was glorious. It's good sun. It's glorious. Man. I'm

810
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: looking here at the uh the thirty third team. Yeah,

811
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: as I mentioned it there today they get some list

812
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: here from my airy mire off Um. I've noticed his

813
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: work a few times. Yes, nice drop there. He breaks

814
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: down some other players here. We've seen thus far this

815
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: offseason hasn't been like last year with some of the

816
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: big receiver names moving. You're talking about the trades. The

817
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: trades right right, and some of those were Draft day though,

818
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: I mean Jay Brown was Draft Day, but Tyreek Hill

819
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: and Davante Adams. Before that, I think about the guys

820
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: who've been traded this year. Jalen Ramsey, Yeah, Stephan Gilmore,

821
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, Chuck Clark, Elijah Moore, all of him got

822
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: less compensation than I would have guessed, especially compared to

823
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, so here's some other players who could

824
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: be traded moving forward here, Jerry Judy, All right, let's

825
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: make it stealer esque. Would you consider a third round

826
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: pick for Judy? I don't know if they'd even take it.

827
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: But here's the problem. I wouldn't give him the top

828
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: three picks. Jerry Judy have to make a decision on

829
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: his fifth year option by May first. I think you'd

830
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: have to pick it up. You'd have to pick it

831
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: up as a receiver. That's twelve point. It's almost thirteen

832
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: million dynas I know. And his flashes are really good.

833
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: And I thought he had his best year as a

834
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: pro last year. Not everyone noticed it because the offense

835
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: was so injured and awful. Yeah, but he's injured a

836
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: lot too, So I'm gonna say no for third. I'm

837
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: gonna still say no, That's what I'm saying, because of

838
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: the most I can see overall, it's gonna cost you

839
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: about fifteen million dollars. I hear you. He's probably better

840
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: than the mean he's definitely better than the receiver you'd

841
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: get anywhere outside of price seventeen. Yeah, but you're gonna

842
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: up I lean towards no as well. Yeah. I also

843
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: don't know how slot capable he is. I know he's

844
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: done it, I don't know where he's lived there. Ryan

845
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: Tannehill No for the Steelers. Yeah, I know for the

846
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: Steelers obviously. So I was listening to Bucky and DJ's

847
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: podcast this morning, and DJ said, don't be shocked if

848
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: Tennessee ends up with that third pick. You know that

849
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: they are very actively looking at these quarterbacks. Really don't

850
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: have any faith in Malik Willis. Then they showed us

851
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: that last year. Yeah, I mean that's a total rebuild.

852
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if Derrick Henry's on that list, but

853
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: he's been rumored to get traded too, So I could

854
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: see them just going youth movement top to bottom. Yeah,

855
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: and then Ryan has to go Cedric Wilson that was

856
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: bad signing. Yeah, they overspent on him. I don't think

857
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: he moves the needle. He had twelve catches for one

858
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six yards last year. Is he their

859
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: true three or was he injured some They added Braxton Barrios. Yeah,

860
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean the top two demands so many targets, right,

861
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Um, so I think he's a no for

862
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers. I think he's a no for anybody. Yeah. Yeah,

863
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: at that contract. Ya just wait for him to get cut, right,

864
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: he's probably a seventh round pick type of compensation, said

865
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: Darius Smith. No, but he's good. Yeah, you know, I

866
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: mean I would rather sign signed Bud at a fraction

867
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: of the cost and not use the draft pick and

868
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: take a chance on a guy that's had success. Yeah,

869
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: Jonah Williams off the Steelers. No, but I could see

870
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: some teams interested. I think he's a guard. I think

871
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: he's a guard. Um. I think at the breakfast the

872
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: other day, their head coach said he's going to compete

873
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: at right tackle. Whether he I mean that's their plan

874
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: for heat at right tackle. Yeah, you'd assume he wins.

875
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: But right, yeah, I mean he's that's what they're looking

876
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: at him as a right tackle. Uh Clyde Edwards Hilaire, Well,

877
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's a seventh round pick, I mean

878
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: he's making first round money, which isn't Again, you're gonna

879
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: have to pig you have to pick up the option.

880
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't like him coming out of school.

881
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: I didn't understand why he was the first back taken.

882
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: I like him a lot less now I liked him

883
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: as a back. I didn't like him in the first round. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

884
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: but Jonathan Taylor and JK. Dobbins on the board. My

885
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on him are he's not a good enough receiver

886
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: to just he doesn't have a specialty. Yeah, because he's

887
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: bad in protection. I mean he's so little, he gets

888
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: run over and he's got short arms. He's a good

889
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: ball carrier, but he's not a first and ten foundation back,

890
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: so it's hard to use him. How about this one,

891
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: Kevin By? Yeah, that's the one Kevin Did they have

892
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: the numbers there? He's currently set to make thirteen point

893
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: six million in twenty twenty three and is signed for

894
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: thirteen point six million next year. Well, yes, now you

895
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: could if you made a trade for him, and we

896
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: just talked about Titans, they are sellers, you would read

897
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: you would you could redo that? Yeah? Uh and obviously

898
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: if you redid that, you would make it less in

899
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: the short term. Yeah, and you could restructure a deal

900
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: or two to make that work. Um. I still think

901
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: he's a tremendous player. That is several slots below Minca.

902
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: But that means he's the fifth best safety on the

903
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: planet right now, you know what I mean. I mean

904
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: he's he's skiing versatile. He's not a one for one

905
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: Edmonds replacement. He's closer to Minca than he is Edmonds

906
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: in time in terms of style of safety. But I

907
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: don't really care, you know, he's just really good and

908
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: really versatile. I just career about the number. He counts

909
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: nineteen point six million against Tennessee's cap. They asked him

910
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: to restructure, he said no. He ask him the restructure,

911
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: he said no. His dead money is thirteen point six

912
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: okay for them, basically what he what he's gonna make

913
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: this year? They had some avoidable years on the end

914
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: of that. Um, so they're gonna twenty eight what's that?

915
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: How old was he twenty eight? Maybe he is thirty,

916
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: he's thirty, Okay, Yeah, I think he came in the

917
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: league not as an underclassman. What round pick does he

918
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: cost you? Though? At that cost, at that at that price,

919
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: you're probably looking at a fourth or a fifth. See,

920
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: I was going to compare it to Jalen Ramsey. They

921
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: gave up a third and Hunter Long for Jalen Ramsey. Yeah,

922
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 1: he's gonna be cheaper than that. He's safety, because he's

923
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: a safety, and he's expensive, and he's older, and he's

924
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: also really good. But Ramsey's worth more than fired. Yeah,

925
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're competing on the open market, fourth fifth, Yeah,

926
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, if you can absorb the cost,

927
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: which Steelers could, Yeah, he would greatly improve your defense. Yeah,

928
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: that would that would be exciting to me. More and

929
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: more with these guys signing, I think the Steelers are

930
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: gonna use a third or fourth round pick on a

931
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: safety as it stands today, as opposed to sign somebody

932
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: like I'm just leaning towards that middle group. I'd still

933
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: want to grab Brian branch Or, you know. Yeah, I

934
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: mean there's someone like that. I take either of the

935
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: two Illinois safeties in this you know. Oh yeah, yeah,

936
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Maybe in the third round. Yeah, it would

937
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: be the earliest non branch safety. I would go u

938
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. I think he's gonna move. Yeah. To me,

939
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: Baltimore makes a lot of sense, as does Tennessee because

940
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: their GM just left there, right, go with Lance and Willis.

941
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: We liked him before, we'll like him again, Yeah, Lance Willis,

942
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: and they could hand it to Henry and just try

943
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: to establish something. Yeah, I think he moves. Then some

944
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: other guys who could still be on the move. You

945
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: got Alan Robinson, He's gonna be like the first seventh

946
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: round pick type. Yeah. If they him off the get

947
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: him off the cat. But at least there's a shortage

948
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: receivers right now in the league. Corey Davis and Denzel Mims.

949
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: A lot of talk that Corey Davis could end up

950
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: in Green Bay as the Rodgers trade. Yeah, which they

951
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: could use him. He's still good players. It's not a

952
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: great contract, but he won't be a jet. Emmanuel Ogba okay, Dolphins, Dolphins,

953
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And then Hunter Renfro, Right, he's a little expensive,

954
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't quite basically make it just a little bit less

955
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: than Deanta Johnson. Yeah, and Myers is pretty redundant with him.

956
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean I thought that signing was not a ring

957
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: endorsement for Renfro. They used mac Hollands a lot instead

958
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: of Renfro, Like, I don't think the new coach likes him. Yeah,

959
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: you thought that was a perfect marriage, you know, Slot

960
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: guy he could not like money Renfro. I mean he's

961
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: a good dude, he's a good player. Yeah, but they

962
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: do have him a lot invested in him. Absolutely, And

963
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: then there's like Eckler is not on that list. Yeah,

964
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's a couple of the backs. But Buyard

965
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: I would make a call. See what it's gonna cost? Yeah,

966
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: right right, absolutely, there's a safety need right now. Yep. Hey,

967
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,560
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968
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,040
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969
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,480
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970
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,719
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971
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: We are live from the NFL meetings here at the

972
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,719
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Speaker 1: right after this