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Speaker 1: the Washington Redskins on Sunday. Will preview that game and

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Speaker 1: just a little bit. But this is the first time

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Speaker 1: I think both Paul and I have been on since

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Speaker 1: the Giants made their roster moves this week and since

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Speaker 1: the game against the Falcons, right, so um, let's get

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Speaker 1: into some of that. We're not gonna spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of time in the Falcons game because that's three or

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Speaker 1: four days old now and it's kind of old news.

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Speaker 1: So um, the roster moves first, the Eli Apple trade. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they receive A four and seven in return A four

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Speaker 1: and twenty nineteen A seven and Paul. When Dave Gentleman

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Speaker 1: and Pat Schremer got here, they were very clear they're

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Speaker 1: giving every player a clean slate, including guys that had

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Speaker 1: issues in the past like Eric Flowers, like Eli Apple,

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Speaker 1: and it seems that in terms of both guys, they

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Speaker 1: just sided that. UM. Dave Gettleman specifically, this is his decision,

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Speaker 1: he's the general manager, that it was better in the

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Speaker 1: long term interests of the franchise to move on. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They already moved on from Flowers, now they move on

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Speaker 1: from Elia Apple. UM coach Hearmer made the point that

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Speaker 1: when Elia Apple is out, he thought the guys that

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Speaker 1: the drop off is not gonna be as bad. But

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Speaker 1: there's a short term hit here. You don't have that

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Speaker 1: many experienced defensive backs and corners on the roster. That's

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Speaker 1: just the way it is. And they think the picks

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Speaker 1: later on in the future will help a lot more

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Speaker 1: than Ela Apple will this year when they already started

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Speaker 1: the season one and six. Well, you see, for me,

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Speaker 1: John and I think a lot of people have a

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Speaker 1: different take on this. Uh. In terms of acquiring draft

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Speaker 1: picks for some of the veterans, we've already talked about.

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Speaker 1: Now there's two gone. The trade deadline is Tuesday, and

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Speaker 1: obviously the rumor mill was suggesting there maybe some more

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Speaker 1: we just don't know. And the other trade, by the way,

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Speaker 1: was the one yesterday announced this morning snacks Harrison to

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Speaker 1: the Lions for a fifth round pick in um so, uh,

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Speaker 1: there are people saying, well, why didn't they get more

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Speaker 1: for these players? Were Part of the reason, you have

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Speaker 1: to understand is that the contracts and the salary caps

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Speaker 1: make it difficult to make some trades, and therefore, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna absorb that contract in that salary, we we've

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Speaker 1: reasons why the Harrison deal, despite him being the most

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Speaker 1: dominant interior run stopper in the NFL for the last

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Speaker 1: four or five years, only brings you a fifth round choice.

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Speaker 1: That's first they get him in those everybody around the

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Speaker 1: league he called around. He would not have taken that

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't the best offer. Oh, I'm sure, absolutely

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Speaker 1: one sure, and I and I do know that there

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Speaker 1: has been interest from other teams in the league for

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Speaker 1: Eli Apple for at least a couple of weeks. They've

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Speaker 1: actually pursued him, and the Giants, you know, held on

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Speaker 1: and they wound up getting the two picks, the four

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Speaker 1: of the deals that they could talk about with other teams.

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Speaker 1: Here's my point, though, and here's where I'm different from

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Speaker 1: that Dave Gettleman is looking to compile a quantity of picks,

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Speaker 1: But if you if you are high third round and

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Speaker 1: We're going to give you a five if we can

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Speaker 1: But I do think from the top of the third

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Speaker 1: for all we know, the giants maybe so high in

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Speaker 1: the third round, the three or four spots get you

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: try to do. That's my opinion. No, you're right, And look,

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Speaker 1: and I'll throw this out there to poll, and I

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Speaker 1: no question about it. Um. I also think you want

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Speaker 1: I think the fifth, sixth, and seventh round to me

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Speaker 1: way the draft is always gone, that's the case. So

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Speaker 1: a player. It's it's the same strategy the Patriots have

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Speaker 1: used over the years where they continually trade down, acquire

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Speaker 1: top of the compensatory picklist, and you want to have

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Speaker 1: as many swings as possible. So when the giants who

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Speaker 1: guess what we're stuck with like nine picks in this draft.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing terribly wrong with that, right And I don't

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Speaker 1: that's what that's what people say, And they were in

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Speaker 1: the same for Asian classes Damon Harrison on defense. We

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Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen salary cap. Um that lost in

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Speaker 1: some cases, other players it's worth Jenkins. I think it's

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Speaker 1: which would make a trade worthwhile at all for these

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Speaker 1: other teams. So when you're talking about trading these players,

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Speaker 1: players on this team that other teams would love to

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Speaker 1: we don't know what they were gonna do with Snacks

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Speaker 1: if you did it next offseason, A, you don't get

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Speaker 1: Not only do you get a draft pick for him,

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Speaker 1: you also save what's remaining on his bass salary from

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Speaker 1: move after the season's over. And and understand something. Snacks

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Speaker 1: terrific player. He's the best interior run stopper in the league.

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Speaker 1: No one is disputing that. But there also comes a

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Speaker 1: time of diminishing returns when you say to yourself, well,

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Speaker 1: the team that year. That year it was really all Eli.

429
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Speaker 1: But you know, this is also one of the most

430
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Speaker 1: stand up, kind and decent human beings that God has

431
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 1: ever made. I mean, with all the grief that he's

432
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 1: taken all these years, he's never thrown anyone under the bus.

433
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: Has always put team first, always accountable. He takes the blame,

434
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 1: whether it's his fault or not. I mean, he's never

435
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard him say a disparaging

436
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: word against whether a teammate, a coach, or management, and

437
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: not even against the fans, no matter how much they

438
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 1: raped him too. But but you know, he put in

439
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: all these long hours of training and studying. He plays

440
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 1: hurt for us. You know, even if you listen to

441
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: that interview on w f A on f A N,

442
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, he even said something was interesting. He was

443
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, he says he's trying to figure

444
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 1: it out. That even now he's trying to even change

445
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: the way he does things and or throwing things differently

446
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,199
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, he's still trying so hard to

447
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 1: try to figure this out. I mean, this is frustrating

448
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: him just as bad, you know. And and this is

449
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: from a guy you know that his only desire is

450
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: to win games for the organization and the fans, And

451
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: now this is how he's being treated by the very

452
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: fans he played his hot out for. I mean, it

453
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be that sad acknowledgement that you know

454
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: the end is drawing near. But rather I see this,

455
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: this mob with pitchforks in their hands, drooling for a lynching,

456
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: and I think that's just well, really sad and pathetic.

457
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: You know what, um, let me just give you a

458
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: little bit of a history lesson here back in the

459
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: nine and why Tittle played his last season with the Giants,

460
00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: and we all know he brought him the three straight

461
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: championship games. And then in sixty four the line was

462
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: just an absolute horror show. They had no running game

463
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: and he was immobile, okay, much like Eli, he was

464
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: a mobile and he just went back to pass and

465
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: just got the living stuffing kicked out of him time

466
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: after time after time. And you know the Hall of

467
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: Fame photo, John, I know you've seen it in Pittsburgh,

468
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: where the helmet's broken and he's on the ground on

469
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: his knees and the blood's pouring from his forehead, and

470
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: everybody felt bad for y A because this is a

471
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: guy who was truly ahead of his time. He was

472
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 1: the damn Marino of his day and a great, one

473
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: of the greats of the greats. And it was so

474
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: sad for him to go out that way. And I

475
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: find it very offensive that there are so many people

476
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: you are right carrying torches and pitchforks towards Eli Manning

477
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: when in those days, of course, when people were much kinder, generaler,

478
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: and nicer as a society. Uh, they felt bad for

479
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: y A. Nobody seems to feel add that Eli Manning

480
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: is getting the stuff and kicked out of him on

481
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: a consistent basis. And so I concur with your sentiment,

482
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: and I offer for you younger fans a history lesson

483
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: as to the way y A went out. It was sad,

484
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: but at least people were classy about it. I'm not

485
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: saying any lies done because I don't think he is

486
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: quite frankly, but it's it's it's an interesting dynamic between

487
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks. If you study the contrast in the stories. Yeah,

488
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: we'll do that sounds really interesting. I didn't know that.

489
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: It was kind of a little bit before my time.

490
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: I understand everyone's times. It's just said, you know, I

491
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: just kind of feel that fans, especially when things are

492
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: going bad, this is when they really need to be

493
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: behind their team. And even with the you know, we

494
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: coach Schumer and Gettleman, I mean, they came in here

495
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: doing exactly what they said they were going to do,

496
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: and you know they did, and you know it's there

497
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: yelling at the different replacements. They brought in, but you

498
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: know they what were they choosing from? There wasn't much

499
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: out there to bring in Number one. They did great

500
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: in the drift. I think they brought into n and

501
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: this they I mean they looked at the old line.

502
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: They were trying to do something about that. So I

503
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: mean they were doing what they yet did. Something's failed. Yeah,

504
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: but you know, hey, that's going to happen. And I

505
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: mean did any of these fans really believe that with

506
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: the whole new building of a team that there was

507
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean going to be like this playoff? I really

508
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: I did not fall into that trap. I knew that

509
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 1: there has to be time. I mean even David Deal

510
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 1: was saying that the old line, I mean it needs

511
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: years to build that chemistry before it I mean the

512
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: new oldline every week practically, so that needs to be done.

513
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: So I just think there needs to be more supportive

514
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: about Schumer and get get them in too. And also,

515
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: let me tell you, even if even our owners, I

516
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: mean I've heard things said against our owners, like you know,

517
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing, they don't care. Oh

518
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: my word, how long have we been with this team

519
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: and we saw how wonderful these men are. These are

520
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: men of integrity. They try hard. Yeah, they make mistakes,

521
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: but you know what, they'll admit it, they'll move on,

522
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: they'll try again, and m it just you know, really

523
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: kind of breaks my heart that they're being treated so

524
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: unfairly too. I mean, I know the passion that the

525
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: joint fans have, but you know that's and that's the

526
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: last thing. And I'll say you all in this, but

527
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: you know the passion. I am so sick and tired

528
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: of hearing passion the escape word for all there were

529
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: the players and management or whatever else that. You know,

530
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: as long as you have passion and it's being done

531
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: with passion, it's okay. You know what isis does things

532
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: with passion too. But let's please hold time out, time out,

533
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: Please don't go there. Here's as far as I will go.

534
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate thank you so much. Because because

535
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: there are blogs, because there is Twitter, because there is

536
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: twenty four hour sports talk radio, the fans venom is

537
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: easy to discern. And back in the day, even when

538
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: remember the Giants will again before your time, John, But

539
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: back in the seventies, people were burning Giant season tickets

540
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: in the parking lot. They will flying planes overhead with signs.

541
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: All right, that's the only indication you had that the

542
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: fans were really, really upset. Now you turn on the radio,

543
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: you turn on your computer, you turn on your phone,

544
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: and it's everywhere. And that's what really uh ignites and

545
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: emphasizes the frustration that the fans have. I don't know

546
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: that there are any less frustrated than the fans were

547
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: in the seventies because, let me tell you, that was rough,

548
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't as visible. It's Twitter. I mean,

549
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: that's what Twitter brings. It allows every single person to

550
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: express their momentary emotion at any given time. Just that's

551
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: what the medium is. It's the way it is. Um.

552
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into the whole Eli soliloquy or debate.

553
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: I will say one thing though, just based on some

554
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: numbers that have been compiled recently, Um, the idea that

555
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: Eli is not capable or doesn't want to throw down

556
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: the field is no longer even supported by the numbers.

557
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: It's not. And I'll tell you why. Despite his real

558
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: slow start and knock getting the ball down the field

559
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: against Jacksonville and Dallas, where think you only need a

560
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: couple of passes over twenty yards in those games. Since then,

561
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact numbers, but I know where

562
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: he stands now through the year. He now is twenty

563
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: three passes of twenty yards or more, tied for in

564
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: the league, middle of the pack, and that's after an

565
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: extremely slow start, which means he's probably near the top

566
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: of the pack. Since Week three passes of forty yards

567
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: or more, which isn't even better indicator of throwing the

568
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: ball down the field. Eli Manning has five tie for

569
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: eighth in the league top ten. So let's take this

570
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: idea that he's turned into check down Charlie, and let's

571
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: push it aside not accurate anymore. I will say there

572
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: are some of those that were catching runs, but there's

573
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: no question and a perception is still being overplayed, which

574
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: is your point. Now, there still might be some plays

575
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: on a third and long where you'd rather not have

576
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: him go to the short guy as quickly as he

577
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: does here, or they're sure. I think that's fair on

578
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: a couple of those. But I do think people have

579
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: to understand that when it's started fourteen and you can't protect,

580
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: going down the field to get the first down is

581
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: virtually impossible I'm gonna I'm gonna offer you one question.

582
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: You answer it, and I want you fans out there

583
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: to look yourself in the mirror, and I want you

584
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: to answer it three and a half minutes to go.

585
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: In that game the other day in Atlanta, Giants are

586
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: down by eight points. Falcons have a third and nine

587
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: in their own territory. They wind up getting a nine

588
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: and a half yard completion for the first down, which

589
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: basically that to me, which then led to the field

590
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: goal that was the Pastor Ridley when he was Apple.

591
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: The Ridley pass was was the killer for me. No,

592
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: I agree with it led to a fifty freaking something

593
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: yard field goal that that that ice to it, which,

594
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: by the way, it was a really stupid decision by

595
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, but wasn't it. But but that's a conversation.

596
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: I thought I was the only one of the stadium

597
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: who felt that way. I thought going for it was

598
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: a better move, and I thought punting was a better move.

599
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I thought that was the worst decision because it was

600
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: the dumbest decision of all and he lucked out. Because

601
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: every kicker makes a d yard field goals against the Giant.

602
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: It really is amazing Okay, but here's my point to you. Honestly,

603
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: answer me honestly, if Ridley doesn't get that first down

604
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: and the Falcons have to punk the ball to Eli

605
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: and he's got three and a half minutes down by

606
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 1: a touchdown, how good do you feel? I feel good

607
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: about it. Straight, I don't feel great. I feel good.

608
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: I feel good. I feel I feel good like he

609
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: can he can get them down there. And I don't

610
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: know if the two point conversion is going to go,

611
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: but I feel like he can get them down into

612
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: the end zone. I really I don't even know if

613
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: they're get in the end zone, but I love it

614
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: this way. I have a lot of confidence he would

615
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: have gotten them down there in position to score. They

616
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: had so many red zone issues. I don't know if

617
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: they would have got in. They might have scored from

618
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: outside the red zone. They could have that's possible. To

619
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: the point is, if Eli was shot, if you're being

620
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: honest with yourself, okay, you know, in your heart, our hearts,

621
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: you felt he had a legitimate chance if he got

622
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: that ball back in his hands. And if you did

623
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: feel that way, and I think if you're being honest,

624
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: you will admit that you did. Then that tells you

625
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: ELI is not shot. Do you want me to do

626
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: the two point conversion game and explain that or do

627
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: you think we should get in the next I think

628
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: we should just keep going. I'm on board with it,

629
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: and I don't want to go any front. Really, I

630
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: figured you'd be against it. I was on board with it,

631
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: Captain old fashioned. Huh. I was on board with Tom

632
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: Coughlin doing it a few years ago to back in

633
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen. Well, if someone wants to talk about that,

634
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: I do have the explanation. I'm not sure how detail

635
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: they gave that explanation to the last few days. Um,

636
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 1: I can go through the game theory behind it if

637
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: you want. And I also have some stats that you

638
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: might not have known that makes it make even more

639
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: sense than what you think. I defended Coughlin in fifteen.

640
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: How could I not defend him? Right now? Let's go

641
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: to you go in New Jersey. He's on next. Let's

642
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: up you go? What's up? Hi? Um? You know you

643
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: were just bringing up the two point conversion. I want

644
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: to get past that. But one of the things the

645
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: coach did say and ELI said, was that they liked

646
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: their two point plays that they liked the kind of

647
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 1: plays they had it. Now they were down there by

648
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: the goal line before, which is essentially, uh, the equivalent

649
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: of a two point conversion right the distance down by

650
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: the goal line, and that did work out so well.

651
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: So if they liked their two point conversion plays that much,

652
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: why didn't they use them down there when they had

653
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: the opportunities. I think I'm happy you asked that question,

654
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna throw some numbers at you. By the way,

655
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: the two point conversion plays and he should have caught it, Okay,

656
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: So let's make that clear. So the play did work,

657
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: should have been more to the pyline. Fine, he also

658
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: had a guy in his face, Um, a couple of

659
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: numbers heading into that game. Do you know what the

660
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: Giants were on third or fourth and one or two

661
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: yards heading into that game last week? This year? I

662
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: couldn't be very very good. They were not nine for nine.

663
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: Do you know what team in the NFL is the

664
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: best at converting third downs of four or few yards

665
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL, I'll give you a hint there, Helmets Blue.

666
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: And they haven't been one on them. Number one in

667
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: the league on third down a fewer than four years

668
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: but the writers don't tell you that, do they. Well,

669
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: but you know they don't tell you that. They don't

670
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: tell you that, or you would have known. You would

671
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: have known. I mean, you might have a problem with

672
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: selective sample there, because you know, when when a defense

673
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: has to defend the whole field and they don't want

674
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: players to get behind them, they'll give you more room

675
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: as opposed to when you're down by the goal line.

676
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty clear we've had a lot of

677
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: red zone problems, Hugo. You a red zone and gold

678
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: to go are two different things, totally different things, totally

679
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: different things. You're talking apples and oranges, So, Hugo, those

680
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: are the numbers on third and fourth and one and two.

681
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: And if you're telling me, on fourth and one teams

682
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: are given the giants extra space and third and one

683
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: they're not playing the one yard and they're stupid, they're

684
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: just give me a break. I don't know, Uh, those

685
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: are the facts. I know. We we we've had a

686
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: lot of problems down there by the goal lines, and

687
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: that's that's been a trend I've seen per for a

688
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: long time. But that's not really what I what I

689
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: called about. I wanted to I wanted to say, I

690
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: think these last couple out. If you guys brought up

691
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: the two point versions, yeah, I know, that was my fault.

692
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: That was my fault. I know, it's my bad, My bad,

693
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: my bad. I said that to open. You know, these

694
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: last couple of moves, I think they make a lot

695
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: of sense. I mean, just like the Jason Pierre Paul trade.

696
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: You know, these are players that are kind of breaking

697
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: down at some injuries, and I think I think fans

698
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: have to forget about the name on the back of

699
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: the jersey or draft statist when looking at these players

700
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: and looking at production on the field. And I said

701
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: this to you guys last week that the front line players,

702
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: and by that I mean the guys who are highly paid,

703
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: aren't being difference makers. And that's that's the problem with

704
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: the team. It's drew up against the salary cap, and

705
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: these guys haven't really been the difference makers. You know,

706
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: Genora's Jenkins, for example. It's getting paid like the chef

707
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: down corner. But you know, opening play against Dallas, he

708
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: gave up a touchnn. He gave up the long wall.

709
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: Last week, he gave up you know, a ball to

710
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: Um Zach burst the week before. He's just not producing. Okay, now,

711
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I will let you finish your point,

712
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: but you need some help on this. Those last two

713
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: players you mentioned, Banks, Carl Banks had said he had

714
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: read the scheme and said that Curtis Riley was out

715
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: of position on both of those that Jenkins was supposed

716
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: to have somebody over the top, and both times Riley

717
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. And so Jenkins looks like

718
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: the scapegoat. So let's make that clear. That's that's when

719
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: I talk about the sides of the prism. You know,

720
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: you can't look at things in a bubble. Too many

721
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: people look at things in a bubble and they're misinformed.

722
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: You gotta be careful, Okay. That's why we're here to

723
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: help explain it to you. Curtis Riley has been caught

724
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: out a position many times times this year. Now, I'm

725
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: not trying to finger him as much as I'm trying

726
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: to make it clear that it's so easy to blame

727
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: the corner when you don't know from watching TV. And

728
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: that's not your fault. Okay, you don't know that he

729
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: was supposed to have somebody behind him. Okay, Uh, that's

730
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: fair enough. So so maybe he's playing better than I thought. Look,

731
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: and when it comes to Eli Apple, you know, I

732
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: just don't think he's a winning player. By that, you know,

733
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean that whenever there is there seems to be

734
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: like a big spot in the game. You know, Eli

735
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: Apple is the one giving up you know, a big

736
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: either a big first down or he's committing a penalty. Um.

737
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, he's uber talented, without a doubt. I hated

738
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: the pick, and then I went out to training camp

739
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: and saw his size and it's one on one speed,

740
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: ability and drills and so on. But I I just

741
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: don't think that the player brings a winning mindset. So

742
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: he's just gonna move on from playing. You go. I'm

743
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: not sure if it's a winning mindset, but I do great. Um,

744
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: I think when teams were looking for that third down

745
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: conversion this year, they would go to his side of

746
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: the field and not Jenkins. I do think that's a

747
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: fair point, Jake. It's more accomplished. Yeah, I would try

748
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: the same thing too. I agree with you on that.

749
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: You know, and Apple is still on the rebound out there.

750
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: He's not as talented, but I c w wed he's

751
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: fighting out there. He's he does. But that guy's fighting

752
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: out there. That's what kind of player you need. Those

753
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: are winning players. I agree with that. Okay, I don't

754
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: want to monopolize the time. Okay, thank you for the call. Appreciate,

755
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: appreciate the call again. Stuff, And I just I don't

756
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: want to throw that out there. By the way, on

757
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: that third and fourth and one or two stats that

758
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: I gave you, that includes the third and fourth and

759
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: goal from the one or two yard line that's corporated

760
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: into these numbers, so the red zone is included. You're right,

761
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: they've struggled in the red zone, but the majority of

762
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: those have been you know, four or five yards out more. Um,

763
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: now there are only two or four in those situations

764
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: against Atlanta, so now they are they're nine for nine.

765
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: Now there would be eleven for thirteen in those situations.

766
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: So that's true. But the Giants actually in those third

767
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: and fourth in short situations this year have actually been

768
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: very good. The problem is that they're so bad on

769
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: first and second down and have so many negative plays.

770
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: They're rarely in those third and short situations. Yeah, the

771
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: negative plays have killed him. Look Kim Jones from NIFILM

772
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Network asked a question of Pat Shermer today, and I

773
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: believe I mentioned it on last week's show. If I'm

774
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: not mistaken, I certainly might have said it on the

775
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: fan or one of the other places I've been on.

776
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: If you look at the giants in a bubble, which

777
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: is again my point, you can't look at anything in

778
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: a bubble, but you look at Ellie's numbers as a

779
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: passer across the board. His rating is solid, His completion

780
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: percentage is very good, Okay, his interception percentage is very low.

781
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: The only number that really makes you cringe is the

782
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: sack number and the fact that his low touchdown past

783
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: number looks really low too. Now, alright, but I will

784
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: say this too. I do think some of his overall

785
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: numbers are a little bit shaded by the fact he's

786
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: had some garbage time yards and he has done okay.

787
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing. If you just looked at

788
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: the numbers in a box, which you can't do, and

789
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: this is why you can't do it, Beckham's got good numbers,

790
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: although his average per catch is down. But Beckham's had

791
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: had good numbers. Shepherds had some really good days the

792
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: Giants third down conversion rate is good. Their third and

793
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: fourth short conversion rate is good. You look at all

794
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: these things and you say to yourself, hey, you know

795
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: what they're they're over all third down their eighteenth in

796
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: the league. So it's it's okay, it's not great. Mediocre

797
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: that's the perfect word, mediocre, all right. Let me The

798
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: point is that's that those are not the numbers of

799
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: a one in six football team. That's my point. The

800
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: numbers say the Giants are a mediocre five hundred football team.

801
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: As I've said, the quicksand of mediocrity. They fit right

802
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: into the quicksand of mediocrity. That's why they are. But

803
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: because they've had some bad breaks, because they've had some

804
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: bad officiating which cost them two games, because then they

805
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: have had key breakdowns in bad spots, and as coach

806
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Shermer says, the bottom line is, we haven't scored enough points.

807
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's it. That's it. That's the okay, if

808
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: not scored enough, I haven't scored enough points. And that's

809
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: the shame of it. Because they've done so many other

810
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: things to the point where they absolutely should be competitive

811
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: in the standings. Well, look, they easily could have one

812
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: more win if the Panther guy didn't hit a career

813
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: long field goal. So that's an easy one right there. Um.

814
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm never one to blame officiating. I agree the officiating

815
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: in that Saints game was a little rough, um, little rough. Okay, okay, okay,

816
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: to be kind, it wasn't very good in Carolina eve.

817
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't great, but the field that's Those are the

818
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: two games that I really believe that the football gods

819
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: just kicked the giants in the button said we're taking

820
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: these two wins from you. And that happened sometimes, and

821
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: sometimes the football gods are on your side and they

822
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: give you a win. So it happens. So you could

823
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: realistically say they're they're they're they're a three and four

824
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: caliber team, which is a game under five right in

825
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: the middle of the quicksand and that's really what that's

826
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: really what they are. But anyway, and you would be

827
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: on pace there if you have two or three wins

828
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: that you'd be a pace on for the six seven

829
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: at best eight win team and actually have a meaningful

830
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: game against the Redskins on Sunday if they were three

831
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: and four right now, or you know, even if there

832
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: were two and five. It's not not meaningful, okay, but

833
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: instead especially if you would be in the Eagles, because

834
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: then you would be But none, none of this, none

835
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: of this is reality. This is all perception. The reality

836
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: is one in six. These other things don't matter. All

837
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: that matters is the W and last College. Well, the

838
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: league doesn't care when they make out the playoff schedule

839
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: and they just look at the w n l's I'm

840
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm cauoting your boy, parcels man. You are what your

841
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: record says you are. And there's no excuses, there's no

842
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: if fans butts are candies and nuts chas. That's what

843
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: Dan Reeves used to say one and six. But see Bill,

844
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: Bill wasn't playing in the quicksand of mediocrity in those days.

845
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Two one league was better hied four or five on three.

846
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Pull out of the time machine and

847
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: put him in Letting Columbia Maryland's time machine, and you

848
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: guys will talk about whatever you want to talk. I

849
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like the doctor who of the

850
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: Giants broadcast team good doctor. Well that that that might

851
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: be your best pop culture reference of all times. Like that,

852
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. Do you watch dr who I used

853
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,959
Speaker 1: to you know it's back right, did not know that? Yeah,

854
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: BBC America check it out? How about it? Yeah, you're

855
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: on like go ah, hello you guys couldn't get stopped

856
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: talking there. But it was good. It was good conversation. Hey,

857
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: let me start off by saying, good for that first

858
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: call of Susan. Good for her. You put that call

859
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. That's a terrific call by Susan.

860
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: I like that. You remember you play that call again

861
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: because man, she something it up. I want to go

862
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: back and Paul, good for you. You know, the fastest

863
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: growing industry in the cottage industry in the world. It's

864
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: criticizing Eli Manning, I swear to God has become an

865
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: industry of it in its own you know what happened

866
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: and getting ridiculous. You know what happened, Charlie, We got

867
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: we got people criticized and Eli who aren't even watching

868
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: the game. Here's what happened. Charlie and his massive, massive followers.

869
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Charlie listen, no, no, but see Charlie and his massive

870
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: followers who had the Eric Flowers voodoo doll for the

871
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: last several years. They've all thrown that away now because

872
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: he's gone and they've decided to pull out an Eli Manning.

873
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: Charlie's an ELI supporter. I don't think. I don't, but

874
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: he has got no one to pick on now because

875
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Flowers is gone. I'll find somebody. But anyway, you're right, Charlie.

876
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm not picking on you, but I really

877
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: think that's what's happened. Flowers, the whipping boy is gone,

878
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: so now they want to beat up on Eli. I mean,

879
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: it's really been ridiculous. I got a solution to it all,

880
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: by the way, but I want to say some of

881
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: the things. First, Um, paul thank you for you know

882
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: you you you had a good response to Susan's call

883
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: as well. Added I think he really kind of added

884
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: to it and I appreciate that. And you brought up

885
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four. Oh my god, Paula was awful. But

886
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: it's just just just really terrible. But listen, and what

887
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: made it worse when it was all over perfect segue

888
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: now to one of the things I wanted to mention

889
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: to you guys. When the season was over, we traded

890
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Sam Huff that almost killed me. I was twenty one

891
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: years old. I thought I was going to quit on

892
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: the Giants when they traded Huff, But secondly, they also

893
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: traded Dick Monzoleski, and um, you know, here's a shout

894
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: out to a terrific Giants player. Dick Monjoleski away a

895
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: couple of days ago and part of that first front four.

896
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, it used to be a five man line

897
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: AFT six. Landry invented that front four and Monzoleski was

898
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: part of it. A terrific player, terrific player, and he

899
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: got a ring, I'll call it a ring. But they

900
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: won a world champion ship in fifty six and monzo

901
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: Leski played a big part in that, played a big

902
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: part in that. Well, you know him, Him and Greer

903
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: were dynamite together until they traded Rosie the Rams. Yes, yes, yes, yes, um.

904
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention Eli Apple. Look, you know, when

905
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: we drafted Apple, I thought it was the right pick.

906
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: I know it was very people were a lot of critical,

907
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: but I thought where we were, all the circumstances surrounding it.

908
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: I thought it was the right pick. But I'm sorry

909
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: to say my last sing remembrance of Eli Apple. Third,

910
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: we got him pinned to the goal line. He commits

911
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: a holding pendy on penalty on Julio Jones to take

912
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: Atlanta out of a terrible situation, and then the camera

913
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: catches him smiling about it. Oh my goodness. I'm not

914
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: the owner, I'm not the coach, but I would have

915
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: fired him right there. Hold on, hold on, land Len.

916
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be funny. How do you know

917
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: he wasn't laughing at the absurdity of the call. But

918
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: it was a good call. He beat the guy. He

919
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: beat the guy. I was on the field. I didn't

920
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: see the the TV replay. I look at the coaches

921
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 1: films and I don't look at the TV. He beat

922
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: the guy up. You know what I'm saying, I don't

923
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: know what he was smiling at. That's what I'm saying.

924
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was smiling at. I might

925
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: be the only one. Here's the here's the matchup I'm

926
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: worried about, guys. Here's the matchup. And you you I

927
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: think you mentioned the name this this matchup offensive line

928
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: center versus nose tackle um ugly might be an understatement.

929
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: This could really be bad. That that kid from Alabama

930
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: is going to be a star. And I don't think

931
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: our center can handle him. Um, I'm really worried about

932
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: that matchup. That could disrupt literally disrupt everything. Yeah that

933
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: you know the linebacker Brown, I'm not a big fan.

934
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: He could he could have fifteen tackles on Sunday when

935
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: if Paine handles the center, and I think he will

936
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: want something else out We're gonna win the game. I

937
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: want something else out there. Um, matchic. You didn't mention specifically. Yeah,

938
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: if you saw what they did to Lele Collins last week,

939
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: they he they took him to the schoolhouse and you know,

940
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: give him a little whip into the back and yeah,

941
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: and Tyren Smith wasn't far behind, by the way, So

942
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: you worry about what they're going to try to do.

943
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: The chat Wheeler out there right tackle too, because they

944
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna put Ryan Carrigan out there, and he's

945
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: a very very good football player. Sometimes oversimplify things, but

946
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: I think when you're playing a three and they play

947
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 1: a traditional three four, there's no high break to there

948
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: to their three four defense. State the Redskins play a

949
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: three for traditional three defense. And yeah, I know I've

950
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: said this before. Again it sounds like I'm simplifying things.

951
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: But if you can't control the nose tackle on a

952
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: three or four defense, Ye're in deep trouble. You're in trouble.

953
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: You gotta get the nose tackle. Block the linebackers go

954
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: crazy and Brown will have his fIF eighteen tackles and

955
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: the second part of Sunday's game, Listen, O'Dell needs a

956
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: wingman Sunday. They're coming after road. I'm just gonna throw

957
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: some names out there, Josh Norman, the safety, Swarrington, and

958
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: the linebacker Brown. He needs a wingman. Somebody's got to

959
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: protect this guy out there. If it's just the simplest

960
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: pulling him away from the play every single down he's

961
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: out there. We need a designated wingman to help O'Dell.

962
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: And I think he's going to have a big game.

963
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: We just gotta keep him out of trouble. Just gotta

964
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: keep him out of trouble. Listen, if I gotta have

965
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: I got another minute, you guys gotta go. I got

966
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 1: three more calls I want to get. Okay, you gotta

967
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: go forward, Go for it. Hey, we'll talk again, Go giants. Hey.

968
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Look and these wide receivers, Paul, if they give time

969
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: to throw the ball, they're gonna be able to get separation.

970
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: They are the Redskins corners. They're capable, but there's nothing special, No,

971
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: nothing special. I would agree with that. You can, you

972
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: can if you have time. Let's just look what the

973
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: Saints did to him. Go back, look at the Saints tape.

974
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: Saints marched up and down the field on Okay, so

975
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: keep that in mind. You're gonna remind you that big

976
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: look part of me. Were gonna remind you that big

977
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: blue kick. Golf Live is presented by Corps Light. Download

978
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,160
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979
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: throughout the season. Scott New Mexico, He's up next, he

980
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: Scotty do Hi, guys hi. I think Carl Banks epitomized

981
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: this season the best when he said, I think right

982
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: after the game, he says, the Giants play well until

983
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: they don't, and that seems to be the problem inherent.

984
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: I think in the whole season they haven't put four

985
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: quarters together. I'm not one of those people are gonna

986
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: blame Eli mann In or anybody else for this. I

987
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: know he's been sacked twenty four times, but it Mikes

988
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: prize everybody to learn who's been set the most in

989
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: the NFL, and that's DeShawn Watson, who's a very mobile quarterback.

990
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: So I think the offensive line is an issue. In

991
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: the defensive line is an issue. My question really is

992
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: what is the timetable either of you are giving for

993
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: the Giants to become relevant? Again, I'm not trying to

994
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: be facetious, but you know when does the expiration date

995
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: run out? For excuses? Because they brought in the whole

996
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: new regime, it was supposed to have a better offensive line.

997
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: That hasn't happened, better defensive line. I don't know if

998
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: that's happened or not. So I was just curious if

999
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: you have your own timetable as to one the Giants

1000
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: will actually become more of a contender. I guess is

1001
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: the work I frankly, um, until I know what the

1002
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: quarterback situation is going to be and who the next

1003
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 1: quarterback is gonna be, I can't put a timetable on it. Okay,

1004
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't. I I think given how

1005
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: tough it is to turn over roster quickly um in

1006
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: the league and the situation with contracts, you know, to

1007
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: think that you're gonna be able to do it next

1008
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: year with the same kind of group. I think you're

1009
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: asking a lot um, to be quite honest with you,

1010
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: that's just my opinion. I don't know what they're thinking upstairs.

1011
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: Um as John marrits at the owner's meeting, it might

1012
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: not be a quick fix. I think that's probably accurate. Um.

1013
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: Until I know where that next quarterbacks coming from, it's

1014
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: hard for me to to to give you a timetable. Scott,

1015
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: to be totally honest, I don't I just don't know.

1016
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: I don't even think John or I could tell you

1017
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: a pent who's going to be on this team after Tuesday.

1018
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest with you. There there are certainly,

1019
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, conversations that teams are gonna want to have

1020
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: with the Giants about some of their players, and whether

1021
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: or not those deals come to fruition is going to

1022
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: have a major impact on how this team moves forward. Right.

1023
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: One of the things I just saw the other day

1024
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: is that the top draft prospect UH for quarterbacks kid

1025
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: out of Oregon just in our Most people have heard that.

1026
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. He didn't say.

1027
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: He didn't declare, he was staying. He said, I haven't

1028
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: thought about it yet. And there are and there, and

1029
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: there are reports saying that he's likely to stay. But

1030
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: then again, remember same time last year we were in

1031
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: hearing the same things about Donald about him not coming out.

1032
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: So let's let's wait and see. Yes, okay, I would

1033
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: just add one other thing here, um I I've asked

1034
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: some football personnel people around the league if if you

1035
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: had changed Eli Manning to any other quarterback in the league,

1036
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: and you were standing here this week, what would the

1037
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: Giants record be? Would any of the other quarterbacks in

1038
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: the league have given them a better than one in

1039
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: six record? And you know, the only answer I got

1040
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: from anybody. And I called five different people around the league,

1041
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: and they said to me, the only one who would

1042
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: have done better was Aaron Rodgers, and he might have

1043
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: given you one or two more wins. Tops. So let's

1044
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: back off, you know, not not that that's you, but

1045
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: let's back off the Eli Manning talk. I would make

1046
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: that listen the little bit longer. Um But I think

1047
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Tom Brady, but I think it's a shorter

1048
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: list than I think a lot of other people are

1049
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: really short list, and and it's only maybe one or

1050
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: two more wins. It wouldn't have made much of a difference.

1051
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone. I don't think anyone's getting in

1052
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: the five and two, which is why people shouldn't be

1053
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: trash and Eli. And I'm telling you, Scott, if it's

1054
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: me Eli Manning starting in two thousand nineteen, case closed. Okay,

1055
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more concerning, And what if it turns

1056
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: out that what we're seeing out of Nate's solder is

1057
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: actually what we're getting and the Giants made a mistake.

1058
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that isn't the case. But if it is,

1059
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: how does that create thanks for the Giants for next year?

1060
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: And I'll think the answer of okay, appreciate it, Scott.

1061
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's on the contract, had a big contract.

1062
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: It is what it is, so they will need him

1063
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: to play better. There's no end so butts about it. Now.

1064
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: By the way, Nate would say that too, of course better.

1065
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: He's a stand up I UM. I don't know how

1066
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: much of that has to do with the overall line

1067
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: play being suspect the fact that he's also playing next

1068
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: to a rookie. Maybe maybe Nates more beaten up than

1069
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: people are are talking about, because he will never and

1070
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: I know what kind of pro he is he will

1071
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: never admit even if he's got a broken a fingernail,

1072
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: he's not going to tell people. That's just not the

1073
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: way he is. So there may be some other factors

1074
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: involved in his play. But maybe there's also a possibility

1075
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: that he's on the down and and maybe there isn't

1076
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: much more there. I don't know the answer to that,

1077
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: but they got to figure that out. Uh. And and

1078
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: while they do that, he is under a significant contract,

1079
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: which basically means they're going to have to get the

1080
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: best out of him, whatever that is. Yeah, we don't

1081
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: have the details of when they could get out of

1082
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: that um, but I guarantee has not next year. But

1083
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you why, John, I'm sticking with the

1084
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: same plan. You know, for everyone who wanted the draft

1085
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback this year, Where do you think the Giants

1086
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: would be right now if Donald was their QB and

1087
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: Wayne Goldman was there starting running back? Yeah, but probably

1088
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: one and six or oh and seven. Yeah, But drafting

1089
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback wasn't about winning this year. I get that.

1090
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: I get that. But now you've got Barkley, who at

1091
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: least you can look forward to for the next how

1092
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: many years? But you would have the same thing with

1093
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: the quarterback now. But here's the thing. Barkley is a

1094
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime guy. You're not gonna pick a

1095
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: running back in this year's draft that's gonna be anything

1096
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: like Barkley. And I think I think, I mean like

1097
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: Todd Garlet four years ago. Askually at three years ago. Yeah,

1098
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: I think this guy's This guy is much more explosive

1099
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: than those guys. Very good player, but different, different explosiveness.

1100
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: Barkeley is making more out of nothing. He's more of

1101
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: a magic man than either one of those guys. And

1102
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: how and how's it up? The score points? Well, to

1103
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: this point it hasn't, but over the course of the

1104
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: next several years, they'll be very happy they got him. Um. Well,

1105
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: my point is this way, I'm spending two of the

1106
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: first three picks again on the offensive line. They didn't

1107
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: do that last year. They only got one, all right,

1108
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: they only got one. Darned. I'm drafting too in the

1109
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: first three picks. Okay, that's what I'm doing. That what

1110
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Remember the right players to be there though too. Okay,

1111
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: And I haven't done my homework yet on the draft.

1112
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too early nobody knows you. Okay,

1113
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: but but I'm telling you I am all in on

1114
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: rebuilding that offensive line more than I am getting a quarterback.

1115
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna hear. Here's what we're gonna do.

1116
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna email our buddy, Dame Burglar, who does this

1117
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: for the athletic all year long, the week after the bye.

1118
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: I haven't done the schedule yet. I'll make sure we're

1119
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: on together one day the week after the bye, and

1120
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring them on and we're gonna get the

1121
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: early low down on what's going on. That's a good idea.

1122
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: Look you down for that. I'm for It'll make that happen.

1123
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: To make sure you tell him to scout those linemen.

1124
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: I will tell him to be ready. Let's go to

1125
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:43,479
Speaker 1: Antonio in Philadelphia. He's up next to Antonio. Hey, guys,

1126
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: how are you doing? Great man? What's going on? Yeah?

1127
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: I just want to say a couple of things, and

1128
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: then the time is short. Um, right right now, on

1129
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: this situation, that'll be your app is um multiplay years

1130
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: of bad draft pick correct playing, simple absolute. We would

1131
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,399
Speaker 1: not disagree with you. And also I would say bad

1132
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: decision making by ownership because in my opinion, I will

1133
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: not have let go Kauughlin. I would have let go Resverse,

1134
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: bring in a new GM, let him work or Kauflin.

1135
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: See what happens from then on you make you make

1136
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: your decision if it's gonna work or not. Two might

1137
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: could do you want to hire a coach? Was that

1138
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: was not ready to be a head coach in the NFL?

1139
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: Playing a simple and right now this is very yet,

1140
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: So I don't think. Yeah, I don't. I don't think

1141
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: any would argue with that last point you made right

1142
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: right now giants fans that have to be patient because

1143
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: right now this is not a one or two year fits.

1144
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a three or four year fits

1145
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: or maybe yet right now, I agree with you, Antonio.

1146
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: It's it's great to be able to be a Monday

1147
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: morning quarterback and see all of this clearly after it happens.

1148
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 1: I don't do That's a good point too. I first,

1149
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: I don't second guess anything. I tell you where I

1150
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: stand from the very get go, and I don't. I

1151
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: don't change on that, and if I'm wrong, I'll tell

1152
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: you I'm wrong. But it's okay to recognize look in retrospect. Yes,

1153
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: in retrospect, we we know where the things have come

1154
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: up short. That's obvious. But at the time, for all

1155
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: of these things that we've talked about, you could make

1156
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: logical cases where there was a reasonable belief that all

1157
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: of these different things could have worked out well and

1158
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: should have worked out well. Again, after the fact, it's

1159
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: easy to say, well, that didn't work. That didn't work,

1160
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: that didn't work. But you know what, It's kind of

1161
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: like if you make a recipe in the kitchen, okay,

1162
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: and you follow a recipe and you believe, man, this

1163
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: is gonna taste really good, and you do it, and

1164
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: then the food turns out bad. Oh, well, how did

1165
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: I know? How did I screw that up? Well, it's

1166
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: easy to say it afterwards there was too much salt.

1167
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: But while you were doing it, you know, you thought

1168
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: the recipe was gonna be good. That's all I'm saying, Antonio,

1169
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: Thanks to the call. Sorry, we gotta move on. It's

1170
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: almost two thirty. I got two more guys. I want

1171
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: to get in here. John in New Hampshire. John, you're

1172
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: up next? What's up? Pound? Hey? John? Paul? He is

1173
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: doing a right Johnny, what's up? How much just wanted

1174
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: to talk about the Eli Apple trade and the Snacks trade. Um.

1175
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: I was glad to see Apple got shipped that town.

1176
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: Um I have to agree with when Um, he didn't

1177
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: even try to cover Julio on that play and that

1178
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: that killed them and they lost because of that play. Um,

1179
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: Snacks Snacks, I see it because he's twenty nine, is

1180
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: gonna be thirty soon, so we're not gonna want to

1181
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: pick up his contract in the next couple of years,

1182
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: so that makes sense. And they just drafted d J. Hill.

1183
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: They still got Dalvin Towins, and they got Lorenzo Carter

1184
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: on the line, so bingo bingo, bingo, And they got

1185
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: McIntosh still in reserve. That's a good point. I forgot

1186
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: about him exactly, So I'm not too worried about that.

1187
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad Apple has gone, though he's just bad for

1188
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 1: that whole locker room, I think. Um. Also, I think

1189
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: as bad as they've played, and they've played bad and

1190
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: they've got bad breaks. Um, they played a horrible schedule

1191
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: this year, and uh, they're still not getting blown out.

1192
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: They got blown out in the silly game, but I

1193
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: mean they're still playing teams tight with as bad as

1194
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: they've played, and I'm not too worried about the rest

1195
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: of the year. The seasons didn't get easier. And I'm

1196
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm glad they drafted Barkley. That guy as a monster.

1197
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch him. Thank you, John, Yeah, good stuff,

1198
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: but appreciate it. And I don't think the final scores

1199
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: haven't been bad. But that Dallas game, you really never

1200
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: got the sense that they were going up. I didn't either. Yeah,

1201
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that job. And they just couldn't

1202
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: moved up. I just didn't think so. And by the way,

1203
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: we also did make the point during training camp the

1204
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: Giant schedule was more difficult this year and they'd have

1205
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: to play better just to have a chance to be five.

1206
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: And what I say, I said they could play well

1207
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: and still go too and seven. Now they haven't played well,

1208
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: but that's why you're wanting six. But this is the

1209
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: way it goes. One more. I want to remind you

1210
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: that big blow kickoff livers presented by Course Light download

1211
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: the Coors Light rewards. After an amazing Giants prizes throughout

1212
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: the season, Coach Marvin's are clean up at our Coach,

1213
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: you got about forty five seconds make your most important

1214
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: point and then we will say goodbye. John and Paul

1215
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: killcond give him minute, got a minute. I've wasted time, coach,

1216
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: get to it. Real question. UM, I like you guys,

1217
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: probably get me homework. One time. List all thirty two

1218
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL and look at how many um

1219
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: if Eli was their quarterback that he performed. I came

1220
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: up with quite a bit from somewhere, no less than

1221
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: twenty UM. The other part, I have the two point conversion.

1222
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into it, but I didn't

1223
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: like the decision, but it was a good call. Bad

1224
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: decision call. They should have made that two point conversion.

1225
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: And the third and the third thing I have is

1226
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: this year, what they're gonna really need to concentrate on

1227
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: is our scouting department. We need to make hits this

1228
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,439
Speaker 1: draft because we're loading fund these picks. And I'm with you, Paul,

1229
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: they need two lines inside of this. And then as

1230
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: I've been watching it, I have watched the college game. UM,

1231
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: and at the bottom path to the third round, offensive

1232
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: line but the bottom of the first round to the

1233
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: third round there's offensive line is there's not really any

1234
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: dominant guys, So I'd be happy with two good guys, Mark,

1235
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: how about that appreciate the good stuff, Yeah, and real

1236
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: quick guys on the two point conversion. And this is

1237
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: mostly just to drive Dave nuts over there because I

1238
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: know he doesn't like my ideas. Why dont we give

1239
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: it to anyway? Um, I'll bring it down for you

1240
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: very very quickly, just based on the game theory. Um,

1241
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: if in a two score situation, you have two chances

1242
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: to either kick an extra point or go for two, right, Um,

1243
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: If you kick the extra point both times, you go

1244
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: to overtime. Assuming you make the extra point, which is

1245
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: about shot ercent chance good over time. Okay, So that's

1246
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: one option. The other option is you go for two

1247
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: on your first opportunity, all right. If you make it

1248
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: and you score two touchdowns, you wouldn't write relation. So

1249
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 1: assuming that a two point conversion is a fifty fifty shot,

1250
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: which by the way, it's better than that, it's actually

1251
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: closer to sixty. Um, that's a fifty percent chance you

1252
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: went out right a regulation. Okay, then you take the

1253
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: other half of the plays when you fail in the

1254
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: first two point conversion, all right. In that case, you

1255
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: go for two on your second opportunity. To try to

1256
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: tie the game in the case you scored two touchdowns, right,

1257
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: so you have fifty percent on a regulation, then you

1258
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: have fifty percent where you're going for two to either

1259
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: tie the game or lose in regulation. If that's another

1260
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: fifty fifty shot, there's a twenty five percent chance you

1261
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: lose in regulation, a twenty five percent chance you go

1262
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: to overtime, and a fifty percent chance you win out right.

1263
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: The Giants like those odds better than going to overtime,

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Speaker 1: and that's why they went for two. And it's funny

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Speaker 1: because I'm on board with that, even though I don't

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Speaker 1: buy into the analytics is now Captain analytics, No, No,

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Speaker 1: I I buy it because of the way the game

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Speaker 1: was going. I I just felt like I did not

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Speaker 1: want to see that game going over time. I felt

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Speaker 1: like if the Giants had a chance to do something

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Speaker 1: that could give the chance to win and Getty light

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Speaker 1: at ball back, yeah, do it. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: our guy Warren Sharp, who we had on before the year,

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Speaker 1: he sent me a message on Twitter, makes a good point.

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Speaker 1: He thinks it's very important for the Giants to use

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Speaker 1: more twelve personnel against the Redskins to help against those

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Speaker 1: pass rushers. I think he's got something. I'm on board

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Speaker 1: with that too. I'm with him, Okay, I'm with him

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Speaker 1: all right. For Paulino, I'm John Schamello. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us on Big Blue Kick Golf Live. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It's Meadow and Detino getting you ready for Giants and

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Speaker 1: Red Skins. We'll see you next time on giants dot com. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: have a wonderful afternoon.