Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say what's up to
Speaker 1: the freaks, the losers, and yes, the perverts. It's Sam
Speaker 1: here with a quick announcement to remind you that I'm
Speaker 1: doing my solo show club comic in Los Angeles, California,
Speaker 1: Baby on May tenth at Dynasty Typewriter with opener Rachel Pegram.
Speaker 1: This is my solo show that is sort of a
Speaker 1: comedy concert experience in which I do comedic club tracks
Speaker 1: with videos and stand up. You know, I imagine if
Speaker 1: the CHROMATICA Ball were in fact dumb. And I've done
Speaker 1: it twice in New York now and not to be
Speaker 1: a complete and utter bitch, but both of which were
Speaker 1: sold out smashes, and so I would love to see
Speaker 1: you in LA. Sorry for believing in myself that one
Speaker 1: time when I said that they were good shows, but
Speaker 1: they actually really were. And I think there's no reasonablieve
Speaker 1: that this one won't also be a sleigh and a half.
Speaker 1: But seriously, I would love to see their Dynasty Typewriter.
Speaker 1: Get tickets in my bio or even at Dynasty Typewriter website,
Speaker 1: and Okay, I'll see you soon. Xoxo. Enjoy the episode.
Speaker 1: Bye Sam. Podcasts starts. Now, Wow, here we are after
Speaker 1: you know, I want to give some context, and I
Speaker 1: know we.
Speaker 2: Should because otherwise there's otherwise, Like people don't know.
Speaker 1: People have no idea. People. People see us as podcasters
Speaker 1: and they put us on this pedestal and they think, oh,
Speaker 1: they must be perfect. Oh they're they're they're doing this
Speaker 1: once a week. Wrong. We have been not We have
Speaker 1: not recorded a new episode in a month.
Speaker 2: Over a month, yeah, a month. I believe it has
Speaker 2: been a month. I have been quite frankly globe trotting.
Speaker 2: I have been quite frankly globe trotting, and there's no
Speaker 2: way around that. I was on a tour of cultures, religions, families,
Speaker 2: different lifestyles, practices. You could say I'm an anthropologist. I
Speaker 2: was at a lesbian wedding in Mexico, and then I
Speaker 2: was at a Greek Easter celebration with my biological non
Speaker 2: chosen family in Greece. So show me anyone who had
Speaker 2: a more multicultural April, and I will show you a liar,
Speaker 2: because that's not possible.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Wow, what did you learn about family by
Speaker 1: sort of experiencing your own?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Nothing good. I'm trying to think if I have any
Speaker 2: fun stories, and I mean I feel like if I do,
Speaker 2: then I should probably tell them when we bring in
Speaker 2: our illustrious guests. But you know, I do always forget.
Speaker 2: And once again, I don't want to be one of
Speaker 2: those people that's making fun of their foreign parents, but
Speaker 2: I do always forget that when I'm at home, the
Speaker 2: screaming is NonStop in a way that could only be
Speaker 2: described as cinematic and sort of like it is a
Speaker 2: It is a movie where the joke is that this
Speaker 2: family is always yelling.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I do know what you mean.
Speaker 1: It's very unfortunate when you know, you know how when
Speaker 1: we're doing this podcast, sometimes we'll be talking about like
Speaker 1: Charlie XCX and we'll be like egs lay, gags lay,
Speaker 1: and then I'll stop us and I'll be like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're being gay guys right now. I think in the
Speaker 1: same way, I think it would really help families when
Speaker 1: they realize they're doing a bit if they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we've been yelling for twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: We're doing a family bit. We're pretending to be it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And the thing with my family is I would say
Speaker 2: thirty percent of the time you can say you can
Speaker 2: sort of do an intervention and say, can we all
Speaker 2: acknowledge at least that what we're doing now is sort
Speaker 2: of a commentary on the idea of a family yelling.
Speaker 2: But sometimes they're so in it that it's actually difficult
Speaker 2: to get them out of it. I was in my
Speaker 2: room and I could hear my parents just going off
Speaker 2: on one another, and I was like, what are they
Speaker 2: fighting about? Come to find out they are agreeing loudly
Speaker 2: about a news story about high school bullying and guess what,
Speaker 2: they're both anti bullying.
Speaker 1: To be on the same side of an argument and
Speaker 1: still be furious to.
Speaker 2: Me, I was literally like, are they getting a divorce? No,
Speaker 2: they're agreeing about high school bullying. They were actually in
Speaker 2: passionate agreement.
Speaker 1: It's also like a topic that like doesn't you don't
Speaker 1: have to stretch to find someone that agrees with you,
Speaker 1: like right, There's never been a point in time when
Speaker 1: it's been like unless you're like a weirdo on Twitter,
Speaker 1: where you're like, bullying is good. Yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: just for them to even feel empowered by that stance
Speaker 1: is shocking to me.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty it's pretty funny, and it's also just
Speaker 2: sort of like, you know, it's one of the many
Speaker 2: ways in which as you get older, you become the
Speaker 2: parent figure and your parents become the kid.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Like now now, when they are yelling again emphatically agreeing
Speaker 2: with one another about high school bullying, I'm the one
Speaker 2: that has to be like, can we keep it down.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to work on a podcast, or can we
Speaker 2: keep it down?
Speaker 1: I'm a mediumly employed podcaster. Can you buy it? I
Speaker 1: think so?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know how like dogs like you need to be
Speaker 1: like working a certain amount of day to like shoring healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think maybe your parents need to sign up, like
Speaker 1: for like a yelling class or something where they need
Speaker 1: to like like if they can get it all out
Speaker 1: in like a two hour little sprint on a Saturday morning. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that could really do wonders for the household.
Speaker 2: I know. But you know what though, it's like when
Speaker 2: I imagine what would it be like going home and
Speaker 2: not having them yell, then it's like, well, then they've
Speaker 2: given up. Like that's when I know they're in poor
Speaker 2: health when I go home and they're sort of like
Speaker 2: whispering and They're like, do you want anything to eat?
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh, no, you know they're not doing.
Speaker 1: Well, call the doctors, trying to put them down well.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So yeah, and so I guess that's what I learned.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like, on the one hand, you want
Speaker 2: to change everyone. On the other hand, they're all you have.
Speaker 2: So that's what I learned there. And then in terms
Speaker 2: of my Mexican lesbian wedding, what I learned is that
Speaker 2: love is love. And so I think you can take
Speaker 2: those two lessons with you wherever you go.
Speaker 1: That's nice. Both of those are really impactful. I yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we talked about on a Patreon
Speaker 1: but the fact that you had told everyone that it
Speaker 1: was just a wedding and then it was actually a
Speaker 1: lesbian wedding was really jarring.
Speaker 2: I hadn't put labels on it. I hadn't put labels
Speaker 2: on it, and people really were angry about that. I
Speaker 2: would say my dms were blowing up because I had
Speaker 2: told all my friends that I'm going to Mexico for
Speaker 2: a wedding, a destination wedding in Mexico. When they saw
Speaker 2: the two brides, I would say they got violent, and
Speaker 2: they got it's similar to the way in which my
Speaker 2: parents were yelling, but they were agreeing these people were
Speaker 2: getting violent, but in an aggressively anti homophobic They were saying,
Speaker 2: why weren't you doing lesbian visibility by saying it was
Speaker 2: a lesbian wedding? Why were you? Were you embarrassed about it?
Speaker 2: Did you do you wish you had gone to a
Speaker 2: straight wedding in Mexico?
Speaker 1: It did feel like you were like trying to say
Speaker 1: it was a straight wedding the whole time. Like it
Speaker 1: was like you could have even like hinted at the
Speaker 1: fact that it was lesbian wedding without like saying it's
Speaker 1: lesbian wedding.
Speaker 2: You know, No, no, because I live in a world
Speaker 2: where labels don't matter, and to me, that's a normal wedding.
Speaker 2: To me, lesbian is normal. And it's not my fault
Speaker 2: that my community disagrees and expects me to qualify everything
Speaker 2: with a qualifier and make some sort of joke about how, oh,
Speaker 2: they came in a U haul in a subaru. No,
Speaker 2: because to me, they're human and you know, speaking of
Speaker 2: human lesbians, I think it's about time we bring in
Speaker 2: our guests.
Speaker 1: Wow, and a beautiful intro that that.
Speaker 2: Is thank you, and yes, I have chosen not to
Speaker 2: return return the que you know, sort of return the
Speaker 2: favor of you asked me how I've been. With asking
Speaker 2: you you've been, I have chosen to not inquire at
Speaker 2: all about your life.
Speaker 1: And to be completely honest, I could never be more
Speaker 1: grateful because the thing is, like when you one, and
Speaker 1: this is something that happens a lot, you can't start
Speaker 1: with yours, like you can't start with like, oh, I've
Speaker 1: been traveling Lobe. I've seen literally every walk of life,
Speaker 1: and I've seen both chosen and non chosen family. Because
Speaker 1: then if you ask me like hey, and by the way,
Speaker 1: what have you been up to? It's it's truly like, well,
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter, like in comparison, like come on, like
Speaker 1: what have I what have I been up to? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Right? You haven't. You haven't really made any big realizations
Speaker 2: like I have over the last month because you've been
Speaker 2: in New York.
Speaker 1: Well you're sort of you're You're throwing out like a
Speaker 1: high budget, big Hollywood film and I'm throwing out like,
Speaker 1: you know, a quiet mumble core pee about like yeah,
Speaker 1: that takes place in one room and it's all in.
Speaker 1: It's about being thirty in Brooklyn, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean totally, and and yours is like this. It's huge,
Speaker 1: and it has been stars and it has budget, it
Speaker 1: has choreos.
Speaker 2: Clouds dance, it's cloud Atless starring Tom Hanks and Halle Berry.
Speaker 2: And yes, it was mismarketed and it's probably not one
Speaker 2: of the better Wakowski Phil.
Speaker 1: He should have said it was a lesbian wedding exactly.
Speaker 1: If I knew Cloud Atless was a lesbian wedding, I
Speaker 1: would have seen it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, we have to bring in our guest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, great, your life is good. No, my lifess
Speaker 1: just bad. Let's just bring in our guests. Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to really check in with what my life has
Speaker 1: been up to.
Speaker 2: Guest, I have to say, you know, we have it
Speaker 2: sort of. We would never say this openly, of course,
Speaker 2: except now that I'm saying it on a free, non
Speaker 2: paywald episode, but we do. There is a sort of
Speaker 2: level level of straighter Lab guests that is you know,
Speaker 2: is VIP. There is no air out it. I mean,
Speaker 2: these are guests that have done multiple episodes and a
Speaker 2: live show. Guests that if we we are sort of
Speaker 2: you know, even if we are in another city, we
Speaker 2: would think to call up guests that more importantly, did
Speaker 2: you know some of our first episodes and then have
Speaker 2: come back to check back in guests where I log
Speaker 2: into the zoom and I say, thank God, I can
Speaker 2: let my beautiful, luscious locks of hair down for once
Speaker 2: in my life. And this is one of them. And
Speaker 2: her name is Sydney Washington.
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, what what an intro. There was a lot
Speaker 3: to unpack. I mean, you just wear in the world.
Speaker 3: Is Carmen San Diego having living, laughing, traveling and getting
Speaker 3: all the Delta miles. So good for you and having
Speaker 3: me back a black queer woman doing the heavy lifting
Speaker 3: on the show. I mean I am. I'm honored, so
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: And thank you for immediately volunteering to do the heavy lifting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because honey, it's not going to be us. We deserve it.
Speaker 2: I've been traveling all.
Speaker 3: You guys have been you guys have been doing so
Speaker 3: much just for multiple communities, and I think this is
Speaker 3: time for you to be on ice and me really
Speaker 3: just to put in put in the work. Pop my top.
Speaker 3: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Sidney, how have you been. Have you
Speaker 2: been traveling?
Speaker 3: I have more locally and strenuous work aka stand up,
Speaker 3: And so if people don't know what stand up is,
Speaker 3: it's where you think that you're presenting a POV and
Speaker 3: people are like no, so they're like no, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see that for myself. So yeah, I've been.
Speaker 3: I've been going all over the place. I was in
Speaker 3: Seattle this past weekend and I just realized that's a
Speaker 3: place to cry in the rain, that it's always running there.
Speaker 3: The people are very into crafting and quilts. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if I I don't know if I meshed
Speaker 3: well in there. But the show, the shows were great.
Speaker 3: And went to Detroit and just got slayed with tons
Speaker 3: of homophobia at a at a show and that that
Speaker 3: was humbling, And so I didn't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, I wasn't sure if you were talking openly about that, yeah,
Speaker 2: because that was that was a sort of sort of
Speaker 2: a close friend's story if I remember correct.
Speaker 1: I don't think I know about this.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, oh Sam, you're not on the we gotta
Speaker 3: get you. We got to get you on the fence.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm on You heard it, Yeah.
Speaker 3: You heard it.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: First, I have a fensta and it's I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's very eventful, but if something happens like happens happened,
Speaker 3: I'm putting it on you, and I'm giving receipts too,
Speaker 3: so very much.
Speaker 2: So I would say you're one of the people whose
Speaker 2: fens does genuinely do feel I can't believe I didn't
Speaker 2: even talk about this genuinely do feel authentic, Like it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is someone who in fact is using this as
Speaker 2: a place to talk to a few close friends. You
Speaker 2: know what one of my pet peeves is when people
Speaker 2: have a fens to and they are just as I
Speaker 2: know this is the wrong word to use, but just
Speaker 2: as performative as they are on their normal account, but
Speaker 2: just for closer friends where you're like, okay, so you
Speaker 2: actually can't unlearn the ills of social media, you're just
Speaker 2: doing it for a smaller audience.
Speaker 3: Well, we learned, we learned that all of that is
Speaker 3: it was all fake because in the quarantine, we're like,
Speaker 3: we're gonna die, so we might as well just be ourselves.
Speaker 3: And now we're back on board to being like, you know,
Speaker 3: fakes and frauds or whatever. So it's like you have
Speaker 3: to put on you have to put on for your
Speaker 3: close friends who are mainly colleagues. You know. It's like
Speaker 3: if you have offensive, do you have friends from high
Speaker 3: school on there? Probably not. It's just people that you
Speaker 3: might be on set with and that you work with
Speaker 3: and that you love, and you're like, this is my friend.
Speaker 3: But you're also like, let me not put something too
Speaker 3: messy on there, because then I might not get a gig.
Speaker 2: So I know, it's really difficult.
Speaker 3: It's not a same space.
Speaker 1: Sound safe space. I mean for like gay man finstas.
Speaker 1: I do always get annoyed when it's not sexy content.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't want to see your nonsense sexy content.
Speaker 1: Like we are not like you are a person that
Speaker 1: I don't like. We are not that tight. We are
Speaker 1: following each other because you know why, we don't need
Speaker 1: to expel it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an unspoken word that it's like, okay, I
Speaker 3: want to see the ring around the rosie, give me,
Speaker 3: give me whole, Like what do you I want to
Speaker 3: see the ripples and the abs. Otherwise it's just like
Speaker 3: gone back over to the main.
Speaker 2: I want to see a ring around the rosy, give
Speaker 2: me whole. I want to see the ripples and abs
Speaker 2: that is, those are I would say, sort of like
Speaker 2: kim petrously.
Speaker 3: I do what I can. I work hard here.
Speaker 2: Well wow, wait, I want to go back to what
Speaker 2: you said, saidy about the pandemic sort of like, uh,
Speaker 2: making people fake somehow, because I do think I think
Speaker 2: that's one of the biggest differences among people. And maybe
Speaker 2: even I was gonna say people we know, but I
Speaker 2: think people broadly speaking, it's like, I do think some
Speaker 2: people use the pandemic to get more real and some
Speaker 2: of them use it to get more fake. And that's
Speaker 2: the real divide in America. How did you use it, George,
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. And I think one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why I am so troubled right now in
Speaker 2: my life is because I couldn't commit to one or
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 3: You were in the middle, You're you're in.
Speaker 2: The middle, You're you're by, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm by and I'm And it's sort of like if
Speaker 2: you can't even commit during the pandemic, if you're by
Speaker 2: during the pandemic, quite frankly, grow a backbone.
Speaker 3: And I agree, I agree, you couldn't you, You couldn't
Speaker 3: have said it better. The thing is is that what's
Speaker 3: wild is like people who are in the industry, we've
Speaker 3: reverted back to being, you know, our performative selves. But
Speaker 3: on TikTok people are so unhinged that I don't even
Speaker 3: know where the line where we cross, where we've drawn
Speaker 3: a line, where the line you can't step over. It's
Speaker 3: it's bad.
Speaker 2: I don't know where where is the ring around the
Speaker 2: ring where we can't see well TikTok.
Speaker 1: They also it gets performative in its unhingedness, where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: this isn't real either, Like you are a person that's
Speaker 1: like getting up and getting a coffee and being like
Speaker 1: relatively normal. Like you you were able to set up
Speaker 1: a camera, you were able to set up a ring.
Speaker 2: Late.
Speaker 1: Let's not pretend that you're not actually like putting in
Speaker 1: work and you're just like finding an insane caption and
Speaker 1: trying to like out crazy the next person. Okay, I find.
Speaker 3: There it is. I mean, and I love that I've
Speaker 3: gotten two perspectives and quite frankly, you are educating us
Speaker 3: each one to each one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also just yeah, I do I agree with
Speaker 2: you said, it's like, and I'm not really I'm not
Speaker 2: on TikTok at all. Actually, so everything I see I
Speaker 2: see because brag.
Speaker 3: So you're not onto, Well so you're better than.
Speaker 2: That, well because I'm well, I'm just sort of such
Speaker 2: a big celebrity. I don't really need it. I have
Speaker 2: my partnerships, I have my you know, I'm working at
Speaker 2: any given point three full time writing jobs, all for
Speaker 2: network shows, and so yeah, for me, it would be
Speaker 2: a distraction. And I actually I have a lot of
Speaker 2: things on my plate right now, so I don't really
Speaker 2: have time for that. But of course other people, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a different world now, and like I know people
Speaker 2: are using it for comedy and stuff, but comedy, I
Speaker 2: guess I'm more of a traditionalist. And but so with
Speaker 2: the things that I do see, one of my pet
Speaker 2: peeves is when people are when people are putting on
Speaker 2: this act that they are finally being real, like they're
Speaker 2: telling they're like, okay, you know what, I'll tell the
Speaker 2: real story of when I was fired from teen Vogue
Speaker 2: and then and then they're like telling that story and
Speaker 2: you can tell that at every point, and by the way,
Speaker 2: I'm pro worker, but having said that at every point
Speaker 2: they are exaggerating everything that has happened and making crazy
Speaker 2: faces and do but and and and taking on like
Speaker 2: the tone of someone doing a one person show, but
Speaker 2: without the punchlines. And you're like, okay, so what is this.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a solo show. I thought you
Speaker 3: didn't have to have punchlines. Thought it was just a story.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a story. I thought it was
Speaker 3: a moth. No. Wow, I've been doing it wrong. I've
Speaker 3: been doing it wrong. I need to do better.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's we're so far down rabbit hole. But I
Speaker 2: don't even know who we are subtweeting. I'm like, it
Speaker 2: could be anyone.
Speaker 1: Well, George, I like this. I think everyone's desperate for
Speaker 1: like a viral moment, and it's like taking It's like
Speaker 1: they used to do it with Twitter too. It would
Speaker 1: be a lot of like, oh, my coworker left the
Speaker 1: fish in the fridge and it stinks, and tweet the
Speaker 1: stinky fish and it was sort of like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: like has its moment. And but then it was like
Speaker 1: then clearly people were like exaggerating or even straight up
Speaker 1: making it up, which is storytelling and is beautiful. But
Speaker 1: then it was like, and we're just sort of repeating
Speaker 1: history and making the same content in a different medium.
Speaker 1: And it's like, we have outgrown this, but maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: the twenty three year olds are like seeing it for
Speaker 1: the first time.
Speaker 3: Have we all grown it? Have we all grown it again?
Speaker 3: And also have we I'm right now, I'm at a
Speaker 3: crossroads because it's like, I'm like, I'm better than that.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have to do that. I'm an artist. But
Speaker 3: then the competitive person that I fake am is like, well,
Speaker 3: if I'm so funny, why can't I just lean into
Speaker 3: that and use it for my advantage? Why am I
Speaker 3: so much better than that that I can't even perform that.
Speaker 3: I'm flopping or TikTok whenever I just like kind of try.
Speaker 3: So it's like I'm in a constant state of damn okay,
Speaker 3: I am I good? Am I funny? Is this real?
Speaker 3: Or is this like a game? And yeah, mental mental
Speaker 3: health is at an all time high over here, Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying is so I was actually, uh,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this the other day. I had
Speaker 2: a real realization about myself. I'm currently not in therapy,
Speaker 2: so I have to do autotherapy, which I'm really good at,
Speaker 2: and which is said you just sort of think.
Speaker 1: You take quiet moments of reflection.
Speaker 2: Yea, do I need Yeah, they don't even have to
Speaker 2: be quiet.
Speaker 3: Do I need health insurance for that? Do they take
Speaker 3: United Healthcare?
Speaker 2: It's really expensive? Yeah.
Speaker 1: No. As long as you have like the voice record
Speaker 1: app on your phone, you can just sort of dictate there.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so this was something Wait, hold on, So
Speaker 2: what I was going to say is I made this
Speaker 2: realization that like one of my biggest, one of my
Speaker 2: go to sort of defense mechanisms almost is being like,
Speaker 2: well I'm better than that, even if I don't verbalize
Speaker 2: it explicitly. It's like, well, if I say I'm better
Speaker 2: than that, then I don't have to try something.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's classic. Yeah, it's a classics defense.
Speaker 3: But then after you say that, then you go down
Speaker 3: the list of bullshit that you've done that you're like,
Speaker 3: but you're.
Speaker 2: Not, huh.
Speaker 3: You've sat you've sat in whole foods and went circles
Speaker 3: around the person that's giving out samples, and you've come
Speaker 3: back and you've been trying to pretend and be like no,
Speaker 3: I'm a different person. No, no, no, let me talk
Speaker 3: you up. It's like just say, hey, I want all
Speaker 3: of the dip and you didn't pay for it, so
Speaker 3: give it to me. Give me the fucking pit, give
Speaker 3: me this new Hummus tip dip with like the chili paste.
Speaker 3: Give it to me.
Speaker 2: Mm hm oh my god, delicious. But it And also
Speaker 2: then you're like, Okay, I'm better than that. Well, okay,
Speaker 2: where's your novel? Literally? Where is the proof footage? Not found? Sweetie?
Speaker 2: For where is the proof that you're better than that? Okay,
Speaker 2: you're better than making TikTok videos? Where is the Academy
Speaker 2: Award nominated screenplay? Because I don't see it? Yeah, damn,
Speaker 2: it's not in my Google drive.
Speaker 1: You're being harsh, you're being harsh on yourself, and you're
Speaker 1: being harsh on others. I feel I feel that, like,
Speaker 1: like we do know that social media, while it can
Speaker 1: be a tool, and while it can be helpful, it
Speaker 1: also is so emotionally exhausting. It's learning a new language.
Speaker 1: There's new trends, there's new ways of speaking, there's new
Speaker 1: and we've been through it with a few at this point,
Speaker 1: and we know that it's like, yes, you can blow
Speaker 1: up on it, but also you can blow up on
Speaker 1: it and it can be really short lived, or you
Speaker 1: can blow upon it and like doesn't lead to anything.
Speaker 1: It's like, I think, obviously you shouldn't necessarily be afraid
Speaker 1: of it, and like there's value in like sort of
Speaker 1: dipping your toe in and seeing how it feels.
Speaker 4: I'm fright, and every day I wake up in a
Speaker 4: pool of sweat because I'm like, well, I need to promote,
Speaker 4: but I don't have content?
Speaker 3: So how do you promote right without the content? And
Speaker 3: it's like, what were we doing? What were we doing
Speaker 3: six years ago?
Speaker 1: What were we doing posting hot picks on Insta exactly?
Speaker 3: And we've gone so far from it. And that's why
Speaker 3: I know. I know that the world is ending very soon,
Speaker 3: very soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I'm just getting a live feed. George's parents
Speaker 1: have stopped yelling. I think the world is ending.
Speaker 2: My parents have stoped yelling. The leves Gans have gotten
Speaker 2: a divorce, and everyone is posting hole on their faces.
Speaker 2: Finally find it in peace. Okay, we need to do
Speaker 2: our first segments so that then we can finally learn
Speaker 2: what Sydney's surprise topic is because the suspense is killing me.
Speaker 1: I also want to say, just comment on the podcast
Speaker 1: when we make the podcast. It has been long enough
Speaker 1: where I'm like, wow, I forgot we were going into
Speaker 1: our first topic. And also I feel, you know, friend vibes.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to try to truly talk about something that
Speaker 1: makes us kind of anxious, and I'm kind of impressed
Speaker 1: that we've like tried and I think succeeded at least
Speaker 1: to expressing how we feel.
Speaker 3: We're intellects, just so you know, and first and foremost, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think out of all of the people that
Speaker 3: we know, when it's time to sit down and be transparent,
Speaker 3: we are transparent. And we're not putting on a thing
Speaker 3: that's true, like we can step out of the show
Speaker 3: and unfortunate you shouldn't be doing that on podcasts, but
Speaker 3: here we are.
Speaker 2: If nothing else. You know, we may not be viral
Speaker 2: on TikTok, but we are able to be transparent on.
Speaker 1: Honey, not even opaque, completely transparent. Okay, wow, Sydney.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,
Speaker 1: we ask you a series of rapid fire questions to
Speaker 1: gauge your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture. The
Speaker 1: only rule is you can't ask any followup questions or
Speaker 1: we will yell at.
Speaker 3: You if I like getting yelled at.
Speaker 1: That's a question, George, do you want to kick us off?
Speaker 2: Yes? Damn it. I just thought of another, an extra
Speaker 2: one outside while I was taking my little pre show walk,
Speaker 2: and now I can't remember it. Okay, Sydney, keeping the
Speaker 2: haters at bay or searching porn hub for gay h Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wait, is it? That's all one thing you can Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: keeping the haters at bay or or searching the porn hub.
Speaker 2: For gay porn hub. Forget.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say straight this is straight culture, Sydney.
Speaker 2: You've done the show before. You have to pick one or.
Speaker 3: The Okay, Okay, Sorry.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm really actually wait, you know what I should
Speaker 2: not have correct you, because that is that is the
Speaker 2: most iconic. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: Don't do that because I did a show, I did
Speaker 3: a podcast keep it, and I have I have heard,
Speaker 3: I've heard the episodes. But when it was time to
Speaker 3: do keep it, it was clear that I did not know.
Speaker 3: I didn't know how it went, and the people dragged me.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad that you fixed this. I'm going to say, uh,
Speaker 3: searching the porn hub for.
Speaker 1: Gay Okay, Sydney, the tooth fairy or the dental hygienist.
Speaker 3: The tooth fairy.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I just remember the one. I just remember
Speaker 2: the one that I was gonna do. Okay, much ado
Speaker 2: about nothing? Or Scooby Doo eating a muffin. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any.
Speaker 3: Sense much to do about nothing?
Speaker 1: Okay, Sydney, bo is afraid? Or Bunny is a rider? Ooh,
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 3: Bunny is a rider.
Speaker 2: Okay, Sydney getting the Sunday Scaries or reading Tuesdays with Maury.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Love a slant reading the Tuesdays with Maury.
Speaker 1: Okay, Sydney. Twist it, pull it or bop.
Speaker 3: It oo bop it Okay.
Speaker 2: Sydney, Cloudy with a chance of meatballs, or Poudy with
Speaker 2: a chance of cussing you out.
Speaker 3: Powdy Bowdy with a chance of cussing you out. I
Speaker 3: feel like I feel like can we just I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm bombing. I'm bombing and no, no you're not.
Speaker 2: You know is bombing? You know who is bombing me.
Speaker 2: Sam's reactions to every straight shoot I have said so
Speaker 2: far are the most disgusted. He has ever he has
Speaker 2: ever seen with me.
Speaker 1: No, I love the rhyme. I love the slam.
Speaker 3: It's okay, keep going, keep going, okay, Sam go okay,
Speaker 3: speaking your truth or hearing Charlie pouth Mmm speaking your truth,
Speaker 3: speaking your truth?
Speaker 2: Okay, Wait, I actually do have another one, since I
Speaker 2: since I did the extual one, ringing the bell at
Speaker 2: the New York Stock Exchange or going through Hell at
Speaker 2: the New York Saint Patrick's Day parade.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, that's a tough one. I'm going to say
Speaker 3: the same Sat Patrick's Day, going through Hell.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, wow, okay, Now we have to rank your
Speaker 2: performance on a scale of one to one thousand doves.
Speaker 2: And guess what what what a thousand and one? A
Speaker 2: thousand and one does a thousand and one doves? And
Speaker 2: and actually to sort of see through the matrix, can
Speaker 2: you guys hear that buzzing sound because I have a
Speaker 2: story about it. No, no, okay, you will never believe
Speaker 2: what is currently happening?
Speaker 1: What what so?
Speaker 2: This happened? This happened earlier. I'm alone in my house. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm alone in my house. I'm alone in the house.
Speaker 2: I suddenly hear a buzzing sound. I say, what is that?
Speaker 2: Go to the bathroom. My electric razor has turned on
Speaker 2: on its own and won't turn off. I'm prising the button,
Speaker 2: I sort of. God, I'm not lying, I'm not like exaggerating. Literally,
Speaker 2: it had turned on on its own. It was not
Speaker 2: even like placed so that the button was touching something.
Speaker 2: It literally just turned on its own, wouldn't turn off.
Speaker 2: I tried to turn it out, tried to turn it off,
Speaker 2: and then it turned off on its own, and as
Speaker 2: we were doing the segment, it started doing it again,
Speaker 2: and there's just a buzz happening in the bathroom. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually hold on. I'm going to bring it
Speaker 2: here that everyone, and can.
Speaker 3: I just want to let you know that I feel
Speaker 3: like this is a great start to a pilot and
Speaker 3: I think you should do something with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's it's you and the buzzer, and the
Speaker 1: buzzer is haunted by the ghost of.
Speaker 2: Can you hear this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, it's not it's not. It legitimately
Speaker 2: turned on out of nowhere, and so how there's nothing
Speaker 2: I can do about it, and.
Speaker 1: You can't do anything.
Speaker 2: I can't take the batteries off. It's a rechargeable thing.
Speaker 2: It just is literally going off.
Speaker 3: But I want to say, I want to say that
Speaker 3: this is the most hateful thing you can have to
Speaker 3: a lesbian being on the pod right now? Why this
Speaker 3: razor just going off while we were having.
Speaker 2: Oh, because it's such a sign of masculine Yeah.
Speaker 3: We were having like such a moment and we were
Speaker 3: like really building up and then this just razor is
Speaker 3: like no silence or silence.
Speaker 2: I know. Well, this it's a very masculine presenting razor
Speaker 2: and I think you know, it lives in a gay household,
Speaker 2: and it's so sick of the f slurs that are
Speaker 2: walking around all day and then it has to hear me,
Speaker 2: you know, squeal on a gay podcast all day long.
Speaker 2: At some point it says it not fed out, get
Speaker 2: me out here.
Speaker 3: And it just so happened while me here me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, it's true. I mean, you know what
Speaker 1: I say to the razor that's going off, ringing, the
Speaker 1: going off, alarm ring, going off.
Speaker 2: Larm ring, the going off razor. Oh my god, Well
Speaker 2: you know what we made it? To go back to
Speaker 2: the segment, I think Sydney that you were you gave
Speaker 2: a virtue also performance. I think you know, it was
Speaker 2: giving Amanda Seifried and the dropout. You understood the assignment.
Speaker 1: You understood the assignment. It was also you know, talk
Speaker 1: about RuPaul coming to your table and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: just be vulnerable, be yourself. And I felt like that's
Speaker 1: really what came through, was the true you. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: flaws and all, but that can be so so powerful
Speaker 1: for people to relate to.
Speaker 3: Wow, then I agree, you know what, this was.
Speaker 2: True to you, bitch, you are authentic. It was finsta.
Speaker 2: It was it was sort of like, oh, she's spent
Speaker 2: pandemic becoming more real and not more fake. That was
Speaker 2: that was the spirit.
Speaker 3: She's the type that's like, you know what, grammatical errors
Speaker 3: are just me and you're gonna have to put up
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: You know. I believe in that.
Speaker 2: Actually I have never heard you make a grammatical error
Speaker 2: in your entire life. I feel like you're someone who
Speaker 2: really speaks in complete sentences.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But then I then I like, hear a recording
Speaker 3: of myself and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Rare, oh same. Oh it's actually crazy the way that
Speaker 2: in my mind I am constantly speaking as though I
Speaker 2: am giving a commencement address, and then I listened back
Speaker 2: to recording and I'm like, oh, do I speak English?
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It can be pretty embarrassing sometimes if I don't listen,
Speaker 1: I think I crushed. And then I'll listen back and
Speaker 1: like I'm doing like internet voice, like I'm doing like
Speaker 1: like trying to be cutesy voice or something that tris
Speaker 1: me crazy.
Speaker 3: And that's why you got to never listen back. You
Speaker 3: just got to believe. You got to be in the
Speaker 3: delusion so hard that it keeps you going. It's a
Speaker 3: delusion that I want to be on flight delusion. Okay,
Speaker 3: air delusion. If possible, get me first class tickets to that,
Speaker 3: because then it just gives you the will to keep going.
Speaker 1: That's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Should we go to law school?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, so long?
Speaker 1: I mean I think I know if you put the
Speaker 1: work and did your TikTok that you would have to
Speaker 1: find in law school. Actually you certainly won't.
Speaker 3: Wait. That actually feels like a great like unscripted show
Speaker 3: that feels like a challenge show where it's like two
Speaker 3: people challenge each other. One is to do well on
Speaker 3: TikTok and the other one is to finish law school.
Speaker 2: Law school, Who comes out on I would love that
Speaker 2: who comes out.
Speaker 1: On top gets rich first. It's like one of those
Speaker 1: programs where you follow like it's like a long term
Speaker 1: documentary where it's like Boyhood. You follow them for like
Speaker 1: literally twenty years and see a home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very which way modern man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean in some ways those are the two paths
Speaker 2: in life. Is either going to law school or going
Speaker 2: viral on TikTok. And let me tell you something I
Speaker 2: haven't accomplished either yet.
Speaker 3: Oh brother, happening for a darling not happening for.
Speaker 2: Okay? Said, we asked you in the beginning, We were like,
Speaker 2: do you want to surprise us or do you want
Speaker 2: to tell us ahead of time? And Sam, you actually
Speaker 2: were came out pro surprise.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought it could really keep us on our
Speaker 1: toes to not know the topic ahead of time.
Speaker 2: It's been forever since we've done that. I'm scared you
Speaker 2: should be thing letting.
Speaker 1: We just have to learn that. Let go.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I have to let go.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: We also we also learned that like the way that
Speaker 3: I'm so spontaneous, it actually is more beneficial for the pod.
Speaker 2: Well, famously your first episode. I remember you had come
Speaker 2: in with a different topic, and because there was so much,
Speaker 2: so much miscommunication, we had decided the topic would be miscommunication.
Speaker 3: Was beautiful, it was so good.
Speaker 2: And it was honestly one of our best episodess.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if y'all hated me after or you
Speaker 3: all were like, oh my god, I think this bron
Speaker 3: is closer.
Speaker 2: We could that you that we are like that were
Speaker 2: like criticizing you behind your back or something.
Speaker 3: Well, you know you're gay, So is it phils on grass?
Speaker 2: True? Yeah, a well dressed woman. So yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: the only defense against gay people talking about your mind?
Speaker 3: Right, you're right, my bad. Let me check. Let me
Speaker 3: check the textbook again, because of what page is that.
Speaker 1: On rules and regulations? Okay, so sid I think without
Speaker 1: further ado, what is this surprise topic?
Speaker 3: It would be dating shows, Dating shows straight. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like this, it's the straightest thing that you can possibly
Speaker 3: have because instead of it's like just date and have
Speaker 3: a life, it's like, nope, we gotta show it off.
Speaker 3: We got to show how bad we are at this
Speaker 3: and then have some kind of gain from it.
Speaker 2: That is soul and dating shows are a perfect thing
Speaker 2: that like that, like literally, no matter how many times
Speaker 2: they try to make them gay, it simply doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Like you have to be a specific kind of delusional
Speaker 2: that you can only be if you are heterosexual. Like, yes,
Speaker 2: gay people can be and I'm not saying gay people
Speaker 2: are better or any Gay people can be messy on TV.
Speaker 2: They can better, they can be well they're better in
Speaker 2: some ways, but you know, they can be messy, they
Speaker 2: can be mean, they can be cruel, whatever, but they
Speaker 2: will never be the girl on the Bachelor that is
Speaker 2: looking for love.
Speaker 3: Never.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think also straight relationships already have been
Speaker 1: gamified like in real life, Like it is very like
Speaker 1: do you have sex on the first date? Okay? Do
Speaker 1: you like like move in after a year? Okay, you've
Speaker 1: been dating for three years? Why are you not engaged yet?
Speaker 1: Like there's already this like clear path that it like
Speaker 1: it actually does click for a TV show because you
Speaker 1: can like play with these markers and it makes sense
Speaker 1: where it's like gay people are like, well, my relationship,
Speaker 1: we've been together for ten years and we don't live
Speaker 1: together and that's beautiful and it's.
Speaker 3: Now and now we're Polly, and now we're poly.
Speaker 1: And now we're Polly. Yeah. Well, actually we've been we're
Speaker 1: never getting married, but we're Yeah.
Speaker 3: Actually we've been Polly the whole time, but we just
Speaker 3: never like solidified it and made it official. And now
Speaker 3: we did and we're still going to be together and
Speaker 3: it's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whereas with straight contestants, they're like, are we getting married?
Speaker 2: Because otherwise I'll kill myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's very linear, which makes for an easy narrative
Speaker 1: in television.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, it's funny like dating shows are
Speaker 2: one of the only places left where marriage means something.
Speaker 1: Yes, totally but what.
Speaker 3: But what exactly does it mean? If anything? Putting it
Speaker 3: on TV? Let's us know how fucking stupid marriage is.
Speaker 3: Like the definition of it by who defined marriage? Someone straight?
Speaker 2: Yes, well Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Whoa questioning?
Speaker 2: I guess he died single? Oh you know, no one
Speaker 2: talks about that. Yes, but by a.
Speaker 1: Bachelor legend Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. Honestly, he was the original bachelor.
Speaker 3: Okay, another show, pitch, Another show pitch, Jesus.
Speaker 2: Says, another bachelor. He was the original bachelor. And then
Speaker 2: Mary Magdalen was sort of the slighty dental head genist
Speaker 2: who was like I want him, but me. She was like,
Speaker 2: when we went on those bumper cars, I knew that
Speaker 2: the way he looked at me was not the way
Speaker 2: he looked at the other girls.
Speaker 1: Okay, so about marriage being real for straight people, it
Speaker 1: is like a fun prize to win, like in the
Speaker 1: same way that when you're on like a competition reality show,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're gonna win one hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: and it's like yes for someone that like like that's
Speaker 1: a big bump in money, but it's like you're not
Speaker 1: like chilling for life now, like you still have like
Speaker 1: like in a year or whatever, you have to pick
Speaker 1: your job back up, and so like it's not like
Speaker 1: this big win, but it has the same ring as like,
Speaker 1: well we pretend it.
Speaker 2: Is so that this show is fun marriage.
Speaker 3: You mean, yeah, yeah, well, because it's like at least
Speaker 3: the money is tangible.
Speaker 1: If you do want like a person, if you want
Speaker 1: like a monogamous partner for life and that's like a
Speaker 1: goal of yours, then this promises that, like this is
Speaker 1: like a get rich scheme, but for relationships where it's like,
Speaker 1: well you're not actually winning a lifetime partner. You're winning
Speaker 1: the show. The fact that you won over the course
Speaker 1: of three months does not mean you're going to be
Speaker 1: together forever just because you are married. And it's almost
Speaker 1: like a shortcut to this like life partner that is
Speaker 1: like not real.
Speaker 3: Exactly, And it's weird because it's like it's under the guys.
Speaker 3: It's like love is blind love it we don't want
Speaker 3: love to be blind. Actually, I want my love to
Speaker 3: have all of the sight so that they're making proper choices.
Speaker 3: I want my love to be rational.
Speaker 2: Decision yeah, one of the yes. And Nick and Vanessa, Lasha,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't trust tell me.
Speaker 3: And they're they're like so obsessed with themselves that they
Speaker 3: don't really care about the benefit of the contestants. Also
Speaker 3: very very call them.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, they don't care. They do not have the contestants'
Speaker 2: best interests. That hat don't.
Speaker 3: They don't because as hosts, it's like you're supposed to
Speaker 3: kind of be in this middle ground, which is like no,
Speaker 3: get in there and be like you know what, bitch,
Speaker 3: you suck. That's why no one wants.
Speaker 1: To be with you.
Speaker 2: Well, they are funny because it's like you know, they
Speaker 2: it's not like Nick and Vanessa la Schet created the show.
Speaker 2: This isn't like their big theory that love is blind.
Speaker 2: They just got this job. I mean, they are television
Speaker 2: personalities who got this job as hosts. But then their
Speaker 2: job now is to have to pretend that they're the
Speaker 2: ones that pioneered this idea that love is blind. So
Speaker 2: they feel so strongly about it, and they're like, you
Speaker 2: guys are in the number one first ever social media
Speaker 2: experiment where we figure out if love is blind, and
Speaker 2: Vanessa is sort of like in her sort of straighter
Speaker 2: lab drag with her with her lab code, and because.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what really gets me But okay,
Speaker 3: you know what really gets me hot about these dating
Speaker 3: shows too. It's like, if you guys really cared about love,
Speaker 3: I need everybody to stop looking TV ready. I want
Speaker 3: off the stre I want rough draft, I want people
Speaker 3: who's ashy, elbows, missing limbs, I want a lazy eye.
Speaker 3: I want fucking receipting airlines. I want if it's really
Speaker 3: about what it's supposed to be, then why is this
Speaker 3: so glamorized?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's sort of a final taboo is getting
Speaker 2: ugly people to date on TV, it's not. And by
Speaker 2: the way, ugly ugly and smart, ugly and smart people like.
Speaker 2: The only way to actually have a proper dating show
Speaker 2: that has anything to offer is to basically get and
Speaker 2: this is why it's impossible, is to get people who
Speaker 2: don't want to be on TV to be hones.
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, because then you'll get Then you'll get something
Speaker 3: that's actually more authentic, something that's actually like they're being
Speaker 3: themselves because they actually are dreading being on the fucking show.
Speaker 2: Yes, guess what. The best reality the best dating show
Speaker 2: on television right now is Couple's Therapy on Showtime or
Speaker 2: have you watched.
Speaker 3: No, No, No, what tell me about it.
Speaker 2: I've talked about it on the podcast before. But it
Speaker 2: is this woman, doctor Orna. She is a psychoanalyst and
Speaker 2: she basically I mean, they do offer the couples free
Speaker 2: therapy for being on the show. But I'm not joking
Speaker 2: when I say that these are not couples that are
Speaker 2: like desperate to be reality stars, like they are genuinely
Speaker 2: couples that are being honest and real about their problems
Speaker 2: and saying things that are shocking to think that they
Speaker 2: are putting them out there for like their children to see.
Speaker 2: And it is literally like you are following them for
Speaker 2: I don't remember, you know, eight or ten episodes, and
Speaker 2: you follow these four couples and they hash everything out
Speaker 2: and some of them make it and some of them don't.
Speaker 2: Some of them uncover things they did not think they
Speaker 2: were going to uncover. And so that to me, if
Speaker 2: you want to talk about authentic is the only is
Speaker 2: the only alternative I can offer. The other thing I
Speaker 2: will say about dating shows is that one of the
Speaker 2: things that sort of makes them straight is that they
Speaker 2: are shining a light on the inherent ridiculousness of dating culture,
Speaker 2: like the fact that they have to keep coming up
Speaker 2: with new places for these people to go on dates,
Speaker 2: Like they're going to go bumper cars, they are going
Speaker 2: to go to an escape room. They're going to go
Speaker 2: to a sunset hike. They're going to go to, you know,
Speaker 2: a restaurant where they're blindfolded. They're going to go to
Speaker 2: a restaurant that's only raw squid. And so it's because
Speaker 2: that is basically just the heightened version of what straight
Speaker 2: dating is. It's like people that hate each other thinking
Speaker 2: of new activities to do so they can spend money, get.
Speaker 3: To it there.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Drag them please.
Speaker 1: I want to say first of all, that couples therapy
Speaker 1: shows sounds incredible, and it's funny that a show exists
Speaker 1: only because therapy is so expensive that people would willingly
Speaker 1: like go on TV and like air out their fucking
Speaker 1: issues because they cannot afford to pay three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a session or whatever.
Speaker 3: The fuck it's so much. It's so much, and they don't.
Speaker 3: It's so much like we every day we realize they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is not set up for us to be well
Speaker 3: or do well or have money. So it's like these
Speaker 3: shows kind of rub in our face how dumb we are,
Speaker 3: and we keep eating it up. We're like, give me more,
Speaker 3: I want second, third, spor give me a buffet of it.
Speaker 3: And it's so annoying. I'm like, stop with the shows.
Speaker 3: Just stop.
Speaker 2: But don't you think that it's also like that you're
Speaker 2: also sort of comforted by how superior you feel. Like
Speaker 2: it's like you're watching people and you're like, well, these
Speaker 2: people are idiots. I'm not like that, like when you're
Speaker 2: watching Love is Blind or something.
Speaker 1: I don't feel such superior.
Speaker 3: No, because it just reminds me of like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: just dumb. I'm just smart enough not to get on
Speaker 3: TV and follow this, but I will get somebody else's
Speaker 3: script that I will audition for and self tape thirteen
Speaker 3: thousand times for them to tell me, no, we're looking
Speaker 3: for something else, but we'll keep you in the mix,
Speaker 3: you know, like it's the.
Speaker 1: It's the same shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost more embarrassing when I'm doing these auditions
Speaker 1: for things that I don't think will be good and
Speaker 1: and and then being rejected and be like, oh damn,
Speaker 1: I'm so pitiful.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's like if you're it's TikTok all
Speaker 2: over again. Yeah. It's like if our goal is essentially
Speaker 2: to be in any way on camera, Okay, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: then then how dumb are we not to simply respond
Speaker 2: to a cast and call for a dating show.
Speaker 3: And it's so funny that we're talking like this and
Speaker 3: we're all gay in a relationship, long time gain.
Speaker 2: A relationship, and also, by the way, willingly having a
Speaker 2: conversation that is being recorded for people to consume. So
Speaker 2: what the hell do we think.
Speaker 3: I'm here to help, though I'm literally like I want
Speaker 3: to be as more not like I'm telling it like
Speaker 3: it is, but i just want to be more honest
Speaker 3: in the sense that like, yo, nobody knows what they're doing.
Speaker 3: We're all confused, we're all just trying it out. But
Speaker 3: it's like, but don't sit here on your ha horse
Speaker 3: behind your fucking keyboard and say X, Y and Z
Speaker 3: about things when it's like, hey, we know things too,
Speaker 3: and that's why we deserve a mic.
Speaker 2: And said you are preaching today.
Speaker 1: Truly, so I'm like, wow, okay.
Speaker 2: I can never when you start a sentence, I can
Speaker 2: never tell who you are mad at and who you
Speaker 2: are aligning yourself with until the sentence is over it truly,
Speaker 2: I'm truly I feel like I'm like in church.
Speaker 1: I'm also just like wait, like yeah, like waiting to
Speaker 1: sort of see what the yeah, who you're mad at
Speaker 1: before I like celebrate or not.
Speaker 2: Like I'm sort of like yeah, yeah, I just sometimes
Speaker 2: they'll start nodding and that it's very much like Winona
Speaker 2: Ryder when they won the MB and she was like
Speaker 2: in the background nodding and then shaking her head. That's
Speaker 2: me every time you start a new sentence and by
Speaker 2: the end I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: And that's why you guys are bad gays, because you're
Speaker 3: listening and you're waiting, and it's like you're just supposed
Speaker 3: to be like.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's actually a good point. You are.
Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 3: I say something, you're immediately to be on board. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because you're in New York
Speaker 3: and you're not like yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: If we were LA, we would be snapping. We would
Speaker 2: have been snapping at you.
Speaker 1: The whole time.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So okay. I googled dating shows just to
Speaker 2: sort of get a little get a little inspired. I mean,
Speaker 2: so many of them, so you know, there's married at
Speaker 2: first Sight, there's the Bachelor, there's all of them. Really
Speaker 2: do I think the default is for them to end
Speaker 2: in marriage? And then even the ones that are different
Speaker 2: where it's like f Boy Island, it's sort of like, well,
Speaker 2: the twist is that they are f boys, but we
Speaker 2: want to tame the or you know, but we want
Speaker 2: to like choose the good ones from the bad ones.
Speaker 2: It's still sort of like re reifying this model of
Speaker 2: like what is good is a man and a woman
Speaker 2: getting married.
Speaker 1: Well, And this is what I loved. I loved so
Speaker 1: much about sort of early two thousand dating shows from
Speaker 1: MTV where the goal was never marriage and it was
Speaker 1: way more up front about like we are just putting
Speaker 1: people in a weird scenario.
Speaker 2: Comedy gol.
Speaker 1: Next, I'm talking about Next, I'm talking about Room.
Speaker 2: Raiders, Room Raiders, First Day, Date my Mom, Date my Mom.
Speaker 1: Like, this stuff was funny. This stuff is like a
Speaker 1: sketch camera show New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like just.
Speaker 3: Real, full blown, Like you can take excerpts from it
Speaker 3: and just use it as a meme. You can pull
Speaker 3: from any of those shows, post it on TikTok, go viral.
Speaker 3: Because the ship was like it was in that certain
Speaker 3: time that you're like, man, I didn't even realize how
Speaker 3: fucking genius this was. It was real entertainment.
Speaker 2: There were fully comedians behind the scenes, I mean, and.
Speaker 3: Dating shows in the early two thousands.
Speaker 1: Yah yah.
Speaker 2: He art form I mean next, Room Raiders specifically and
Speaker 2: Date my Mom were fully I mean, it was it
Speaker 2: was John Waters, I mean Room.
Speaker 1: Raiders every time when they like look at their underwear
Speaker 1: and I would be like, like every single time you're
Speaker 1: seeing underwear.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and that black light. When that black light
Speaker 3: comes on, you're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, oh oh, he came everywhere.
Speaker 3: His comment is every oh my god, he's so dirty dirty.
Speaker 1: It was also no matter what type of underwear there was,
Speaker 1: it would always be like hell no, like it would
Speaker 1: like no rhyme or reason to it. I don't like
Speaker 1: a guy that wears any underwear. It was juicy, juicy
Speaker 1: U se u.
Speaker 3: See if he's not if he's not commando, I don't
Speaker 3: want it.
Speaker 1: Sounds like his dick and balls are small. I'm not interested.
Speaker 3: If his scrotum is not chafing up against some denims,
Speaker 3: some endig dems, I don't want it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a funny time, very homophobic, and yet
Speaker 1: the formats were.
Speaker 3: Getting yo, truly the biggest the highlight of the homophobia
Speaker 3: in terms of like entertainment. But you just have to laugh,
Speaker 3: You just constantly have.
Speaker 2: You do have to laugh. And I also feel like
Speaker 2: in the early odds, Okay, so here's a sort of theory.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the early odds culture had not
Speaker 2: been corrupted by you know, social media oversaturation of just
Speaker 2: like insane people on TV whatever, like reality shows are
Speaker 2: still in new so they there was a real spirit
Speaker 2: of experimentation with dating shows because like most people were
Speaker 2: dating normally. They didn't even have dating apps, you know,
Speaker 2: most people were just like going on dates normally, getting married,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And so they were like, okay, dating shows,
Speaker 2: this is a chance to really have some fun with it,
Speaker 2: Whereas I think now the prevailing attitude is like we've
Speaker 2: lost our way as a society and it is time
Speaker 2: love made a comeback. So now dating shows are actually
Speaker 2: fundamentally conservative because they are, if anything, trying to bring
Speaker 2: back traditional values in dating.
Speaker 1: That is so true. I think that's a genius point.
Speaker 3: George, every every day, every time I get on this podcast,
Speaker 3: I'm like, George fucking reads Man's.
Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, all of this is in books. All
Speaker 2: of this is in books. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: You know, It's like now real life is room Raiders,
Speaker 2: and next like if you just go on you know,
Speaker 2: Instagram and TikTok or whatever, everyone is basically trying to
Speaker 2: do some home brewed version of early odds reality TV,
Speaker 2: whether it's like Man on the Street segments, whether it's
Speaker 2: like oh we took a photo of this woman before
Speaker 2: and after we said she's beautiful. Like, it's all literally
Speaker 2: people trying to do like their own DIY version of
Speaker 2: whatever was going on on MTV and VH one in
Speaker 2: the early odds. So then Netflix comes along and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, we're missing just a guy and a girl
Speaker 2: falling in love.
Speaker 3: It's some contrived though.
Speaker 2: Okay, so early odds reality shows, progressive queer lgbt Q,
Speaker 2: current dating shows, family values. Yeah, okay, So I guess
Speaker 2: the question that remains is where do we go from here?
Speaker 2: Sam and I have already thought of a gay reality
Speaker 2: show called what is it called? Sam?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm everything I've ever said. I've completely and instantly forgotten.
Speaker 1: Please remind me what was the.
Speaker 2: It's the premise was that you like, can't be horny,
Speaker 2: and then if you're horny, you it's like and then
Speaker 2: you have to be It's like you.
Speaker 1: Have to you lose it. You can't remember horny.
Speaker 2: You have to time, you have to stay the whole time.
Speaker 2: You get voted off if you're a flask. But but
Speaker 2: but but this is all gay man, It's all they
Speaker 2: have to be hard the whole time.
Speaker 1: But you can't come.
Speaker 2: But you can't come. You have to be hard and
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't be flaccid, and you can't eraculate.
Speaker 1: I forgot the rule. I'm watching Where do I sign
Speaker 1: in the middle?
Speaker 3: Where do I sign up? How do I get it?
Speaker 2: It's on free v on Amazon? So okay, So Sidney,
Speaker 2: what would your ideal dating show be?
Speaker 3: Like, what is my ideal dating show? It would be
Speaker 3: hitting cameras. It would be hitting. It would be hitting
Speaker 3: camera for sure, and it would literally, let's get hitting camera,
Speaker 3: even though it's against the law, but we need to
Speaker 3: show people exactly who they are under the guise of
Speaker 3: them really being authentic, and then we could be and
Speaker 3: then we put things on the scoreboard. And it's like, bitch,
Speaker 3: you keep telling people that these men are the problem.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely you, and stop saying it's because you're an aries. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's just because you are bad. You are bad at communicating.
Speaker 3: Your standards are ridiculous. You know, I think people people
Speaker 3: need to see that mirror, which they don't because you know,
Speaker 3: you post something on Instagram and people are like, I
Speaker 3: love you, You're the best, you are a genius, and
Speaker 3: it's just like I don't want I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't want reddit energy, but I do want things
Speaker 3: to be a little bit or.
Speaker 1: You want to be. You want to call someone's workplace
Speaker 1: and say she has her standards to high fire her.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you're pointing to the to the main problem,
Speaker 2: as always with reality TV, is that the one limitation
Speaker 2: is that it's people who want to be on television
Speaker 2: Like that is the one limitation of reality TV. It
Speaker 2: is people. Even when it's hidden cameras, they have to
Speaker 2: sign away. There is no way to actually get anything
Speaker 2: that is I don't want to use the word authentic,
Speaker 2: but anything that is spontaneous or real on camera. So
Speaker 2: basically what you're saying, they do it on TikTok.
Speaker 3: They do hidden stuff on TikTok all the time.
Speaker 2: I guess that TikTok again, it.
Speaker 3: Goes haywire left and right. But I think that's more honest.
Speaker 3: But even then, the person who's creating it, they have
Speaker 3: a little bit, they have too much power in it,
Speaker 3: so they can skew it in any kind of way.
Speaker 3: But I think we all just need to sit back
Speaker 3: and realize that we all have issues and nobody is
Speaker 3: the best of anything. Saying nobody's at ten. Nobody's like.
Speaker 3: Just get it to the point of like, if we
Speaker 3: start looking at each other as equals and better than
Speaker 3: like he's better, she's better, there be like then we
Speaker 3: can really get to back to dating properly.
Speaker 2: Equal island. Equality is equality.
Speaker 3: No one would watch everyone would watch it.
Speaker 2: No one watch and guess what it's not. They're not
Speaker 2: going to treat one another as equals. Let me tell
Speaker 2: that because I've heard of this Damford prison experiment. That's
Speaker 2: not how it turned out. Okay, here's my proposal is
Speaker 2: there is only one solution. We have to break the
Speaker 2: law in order to make an actually good dating show.
Speaker 2: There's no way to make a good dating show when
Speaker 2: there are waivers involved. And so someone needs to step
Speaker 2: up and be willing to go to jail in order
Speaker 2: to make a dating show that is good. And then
Speaker 2: we can stop making dating shows forever. And I think
Speaker 2: what needs to happen is you need to pick a restaurant,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking like a sort of mid tier tapas restaurant,
Speaker 2: a place that people go for dates, for straight dates.
Speaker 2: You need to pick a restaurant. Everyone you know, everyone
Speaker 2: there needs to be in on it. Everyone that works there.
Speaker 2: They need to be heading cameras and for one year
Speaker 2: you film people going there on dates and then at
Speaker 2: the end you make a documentary.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then you and let me tell you, when
Speaker 3: chips and dip are involved, people are their realist. Okay,
Speaker 3: there's nobody's being bougie when they have to use their
Speaker 3: actual hand to pick up something and put it in
Speaker 3: their mouth.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wow, I'm trying to think of what a
Speaker 1: fun reality show would be. I'm like, what, what have
Speaker 1: we not done yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I'm done at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, we've been in So it's called Drunk and Love
Speaker 1: and drunk and Love and they're drunk and they're well
Speaker 1: they are alcoholics, and they're promised an all expense paid
Speaker 1: bar crawl. Actually they have to fall in love and
Speaker 1: there's no alcohol.
Speaker 2: So they're non recovering alcohol.
Speaker 1: No, they're just they just love the drunkcoholics.
Speaker 2: Okay, got it. The people that are I guess I
Speaker 2: could work.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm actually gagging. I'm gagging to the fullest
Speaker 3: because one, if you get alcoholics in a room and
Speaker 3: they can't have alcohol, I would love to see their personality.
Speaker 3: I would love to see.
Speaker 2: That's actually a good point and it's actually ethical because
Speaker 2: you are getting you are getting I mean, obviously the
Speaker 2: challenge becomes, how do you find people who are alcoholics
Speaker 2: that have not admitted to themselves yet? But let's say
Speaker 2: somehow you do? You know, you put out a castle.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, you're literally like you know, your friend,
Speaker 2: your uncle, your aunt, the one that you think, you're like,
Speaker 2: literally gonna have a what's it called intervention for her
Speaker 2: next week? Lay at a month, We'll put her on TV.
Speaker 2: You'll make a you'll make a quick buck before you
Speaker 2: have the intervention, and guess what, we'll keep them sober.
Speaker 2: We'll keep them sober, and so it's in it's in
Speaker 2: her best interest.
Speaker 1: And then after I mean, it's literally intervention in the show.
Speaker 2: But but Horny, yeah, okay, I actually I am obsessed
Speaker 2: with this idea. I mean, you're getting people, You're getting
Speaker 2: people who would have been cast for intervention, and you're saying,
Speaker 2: wait one more month, we're going to keep you super
Speaker 2: don't worry, wait one more month, we're going to do
Speaker 2: a dating show. First, as you're going through it, and it.
Speaker 3: Takes and it takes twenty one days to change a
Speaker 3: bad habit. So in a month they'll be over the hump.
Speaker 3: I don't know how horny they'll be, but they'll be
Speaker 3: over the hump, right. I don't know if there'll be
Speaker 3: any love involved besides love bombing. They'll be love bombing
Speaker 3: to get some dics, but.
Speaker 2: There will be love bombing.
Speaker 3: Wow, George, this is a great idea.
Speaker 1: This sounds this sounds really problematic. Yeah, and I and
Speaker 1: good TV?
Speaker 3: Is it problematic?
Speaker 1: I actually have no idea. I'm my compass is sort
Speaker 1: of off these days.
Speaker 3: Because if you think about it, if you think about it,
Speaker 3: intervention is also problematic because someone's showing up thinking they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're about to have a party just with ice cream
Speaker 3: and pizza, and it's like you are a piece of
Speaker 3: shit and we're tired of you, and we're tired of
Speaker 3: this disease and you need help and you don't get it.
Speaker 3: We're getting out of your life. That's kind of fucked up.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's kind of fucked up. That's rough.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, so when I get out of rehab,
Speaker 3: I'm not fucking with you, even though you claim they're
Speaker 3: supposed to help me. I hate you. I fucking hate you.
Speaker 2: The only point I have to make is that I
Speaker 2: genuinely think in the show people would find love. Well,
Speaker 2: oh my god, did you guys decide the opera?
Speaker 3: They have to fight?
Speaker 2: Well, because I'm like they've been they're at their lowest,
Speaker 2: they're out their most vulnerable. I don't think all of
Speaker 2: them would find love. I think most of them would
Speaker 2: have a very bad time. Yeah, but I think two
Speaker 2: people out of the twenty people that are cast will
Speaker 2: be together. They won't and they will have the most incredible.
Speaker 3: You can have twenty alcoholics.
Speaker 2: We're not giving them any alcohol. We're not giving them
Speaker 2: any alcohols, so it's ethical. So you can take her
Speaker 2: complaints to legal I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if you've ever gone through withdraw bitch, but
Speaker 3: somebody's getting murdered, someone is getting strong. Twenty people.
Speaker 2: Nah, well, well, it's hosted by Jesse j oh No,
Speaker 2: you know what it's hosted by. It has to be
Speaker 2: hosted by a famously sober celebrity. So who could that be?
Speaker 2: Because that that gives it the sense of authenticity. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna look up sober celebrities.
Speaker 1: Is there a funny one?
Speaker 3: Robert Downey Jr. I think I think he is sober.
Speaker 3: He's got you like, he's got to have like a
Speaker 3: wrangler to make sure when he's on set that he's
Speaker 3: not getting into anything he's filming.
Speaker 2: So here's what I'll say. This is, in fact, who
Speaker 2: is who has to host it? Dax Shepherd. What he's sober,
Speaker 2: he's a huge TV personality. I'm not saying he's my choice. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I'm like going to bat for
Speaker 2: Dak Shepherd. But realistically, if you're having this straight reality
Speaker 2: show that is about sobriety, he's a very you know,
Speaker 2: he's a famous sober person with a huge audience.
Speaker 1: Well, our producer Olivia is also sent a list of names,
Speaker 1: and I have to say, Nicki Minaj is the funniest suggestion,
Speaker 1: and I think she should host the show. He's sober,
Speaker 1: That's okay, But according to Olivia.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man they've when they so.
Speaker 2: One of the other options is Chrissy Teagan according to Olivia,
Speaker 2: and I do think again not to I know, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking like an executive here with my Dax Shepherd suggestion,
Speaker 2: but Chrissy Teagan is who they would choose absolutely.
Speaker 3: The only problem. The only problem is is that she's
Speaker 3: notoriously known for me me me, me, me, me, me,
Speaker 3: me me, right, so somehow it'll be wrapped right around her,
Speaker 3: and we need people to we we can't have a
Speaker 3: famous host because it needs about to be about the contestants.
Speaker 3: When there's a famous host, that like is a distraction.
Speaker 3: That's why Nick Lache and Vanessa are great because okay,
Speaker 3: well they were famous.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's so true.
Speaker 2: Wait, Sydney, would you do it?
Speaker 3: Me? Yes? I would. The problem is I am, I
Speaker 3: am sober. The problem is is that you need somebody
Speaker 3: who's uplifting and and I'm just too real.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I think you have been very uplifting this
Speaker 2: entire time I actually participant.
Speaker 3: And now this is when you have turned. Now you're
Speaker 3: a good gay man because you're like queen, yes, bitch, yes.
Speaker 2: Sidney, Sidney, why are you resisting your destiny? Why are
Speaker 2: you resisting your destiny of being the host of the
Speaker 2: world's most immoral dating But.
Speaker 3: You know what it would be tea because then there's
Speaker 3: like love is blind and but we should have Jessica
Speaker 3: Simpson host this sober one and you know the rating
Speaker 3: out the roof.
Speaker 2: Wow, all right, Jessica Simpson. It is.
Speaker 1: It could also be commentary on other shows, because other
Speaker 1: shows do like feed them alcohol to make them funk
Speaker 1: up and be bad, and so it could be fun
Speaker 1: to be like, no, we're not, I'm actually actively not exploitive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's sort of like taking it too far
Speaker 2: in the other we're.
Speaker 1: Actually locking them up and throwing away the key.
Speaker 2: We're locking up these very vulnerable people who have an
Speaker 2: addiction and we are making them go through withdrawal for
Speaker 2: people's entertainment.
Speaker 3: And you know, the crazy thing is is that there's
Speaker 3: so many like industry people listening to your pod. The
Speaker 3: show is going to be on. Somebody is listening now,
Speaker 3: writing down every little thing, and they're like, pitching the
Speaker 3: show tomorrow. We need immediately.
Speaker 1: Now. All I want to do is think of more
Speaker 1: of these ideas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna have to talk to your people. You're
Speaker 3: gonna have to talk to your people. I know, if
Speaker 3: you want to have me as a host, obviously I'm available.
Speaker 3: But I really think Jessica Simpson would be the perfect
Speaker 3: one because then she could just it could really just
Speaker 3: be about her competing against Nick Lache and Vanessa. But
Speaker 3: she's already went. She doesn't have to compete because she's
Speaker 3: a billionaire. She's one, right, he's he's he's got to
Speaker 3: be on a Netflix show handhandling fucking love and she's
Speaker 3: out here like you see these sturdy esper drills. Yeah,
Speaker 3: billionaire bitch.
Speaker 1: Damn wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well listen if anyone listening is interested
Speaker 2: in either the horny Island with gay men, sober Island
Speaker 2: with non recovering alcoholics, oh my other idea about the
Speaker 2: illegal one with y I need.
Speaker 3: The people to talk about this in the comments. I
Speaker 3: need people to say yes or no and the reason
Speaker 3: why I know yes, no reason why.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is a call to action.
Speaker 3: I'm not a host. I'm not a host, but this
Speaker 3: is a call to action to the listeners. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: need it now. You guys have to repeat this. You're
Speaker 3: gonna have to repeat this.
Speaker 2: Can we name each of them so that people like
Speaker 2: can talk about them in the comments? It was we
Speaker 2: have four options.
Speaker 1: Drunken love was the premise.
Speaker 3: For that is great because the alcoholic are gonna follow
Speaker 3: up thinking like, oh we get in drunk and they're like.
Speaker 2: A lo o L yes exactly.
Speaker 1: You're drunk.
Speaker 2: Horney Island, drunken Love, top top, what's the tapas one
Speaker 2: called topping?
Speaker 3: Topping for tapas?
Speaker 1: No, what's like surveillance tapas or surveillance surveillance sweethearts?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I like.
Speaker 2: That surveillance Sweethearts, surveillance Sweethearts?
Speaker 3: I want that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, great? And then did we have one more? Oh? Sam,
Speaker 2: drunk oh drunken love? One was your?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So those are the three?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 1: Well e should we do our final segment?
Speaker 2: Sound off in the comments?
Speaker 1: Sound off in the comments. Let's do it, okay, Sydney.
Speaker 1: Our final segment is called shout Outs, and in it
Speaker 1: we pay homage to the grand straight tradition of the
Speaker 1: radio shout out, and we shout out to anything that
Speaker 1: we are enjoying. Imagine it sees one and you're at
Speaker 1: Times Square TRL shouting out to your squad back home,
Speaker 1: but about anything that you like? George, do you have one?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes? Good?
Speaker 2: Go hoop off? Okay, what's up listeners out there?
Speaker 1: Ver?
Speaker 2: So all, I want to give a hardy apology for
Speaker 2: my WiFi going off and for my haunted electric raser
Speaker 2: going off as well.
Speaker 1: But you know what.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get what you get, and as a LGBTQ
Speaker 2: plus creator, I can't always do everything perfectly. And the
Speaker 2: fact that I'm showing vulnerability on camera and on mike
Speaker 2: is more than many of my peers have done during
Speaker 2: their careers. Having said that, I want to give a
Speaker 2: shout out to journaling on computer and not on a notebook.
Speaker 2: For so long I have thought that you need a
Speaker 2: notebook and you need a pen and paper to journal.
Speaker 2: Why because I guess I grew up reading Judy Bloom,
Speaker 2: God bless her. But guess what, it is a twenty
Speaker 2: first century. It is twenty twenty three, and we can't
Speaker 2: be nostalgic for pen and paper anymore. It is reactionary.
Speaker 2: It is conservative, and it is republican. We have to
Speaker 2: move forward, and we have to use technology. We have
Speaker 2: to tame technology before it tames us. And you know
Speaker 2: how we're gonna do that by journaling on Google Drive.
Speaker 2: Put it on the cloud. I don't care who sees it,
Speaker 2: and I don't care who reads it, because guess what,
Speaker 2: I can type faster that way, and I don't write
Speaker 2: as fast, and so I'm not gonna get all my
Speaker 2: thoughts down on paper as fast as when I do
Speaker 2: it on Google Drive. So get out there, make a
Speaker 2: document on Google Drive, and how about start to write
Speaker 2: down some thoughts before it's too fucking like, whoa.
Speaker 1: Wow, I have been doing this too. I think it's
Speaker 1: so genius. It's so much better because there were so
Speaker 1: many times where'd be like, oh, I would journal, but
Speaker 1: I have my notebook and I have to get a pen,
Speaker 1: and then it would be like, just do it at
Speaker 1: your computer, you stupid idiot. And it's changed everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's actually yeah no, it is so like
Speaker 2: journaling with pen and paper is very sort of like
Speaker 2: oh school vinyl fetishizing cassettes. It's stated, it's just like, relax,
Speaker 2: you're not Jack carrollac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I don't think I've done this one before,
Speaker 1: but stop me if I have what's up everyone around
Speaker 1: the globe. I want to give a huge shout out
Speaker 1: to Manhattan mornings. That's right. I have been going into
Speaker 1: Manhattan sometimes in the morning and I'll go to the
Speaker 1: gym and then I'll go like to find out space
Speaker 1: to work. And it has been so fun to like
Speaker 1: walk down the street and be like I'm in Manhattan. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in Manhattan. It's the morning. It feels a completely
Speaker 1: different world. It feels a little cartoony in a way
Speaker 1: that I enjoy like, and it feels like, yeah, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Like for so long, I've had such a
Speaker 1: you know, Brooklyn and even on top of that, north
Speaker 1: Brooklyn centric idea of NY City, and I'm starting to
Speaker 1: be like, wait a minute, you can just go anywhere
Speaker 1: and they're actually all different and it's so fun. So
Speaker 1: I've been really enjoying Manhattan. I know that I could
Speaker 1: never afford it, and but it's fun to spend the
Speaker 1: morning there and walk and listen to headphone ven, drink
Speaker 1: coffee xxo, Sam's very cute.
Speaker 2: You are so.
Speaker 1: I'm so what George? So what say?
Speaker 3: Door?
Speaker 2: You're just so You're so Bushwick centric? I fail, You're
Speaker 2: so Bushwick centric. Like I really feel like every time
Speaker 2: you were in Manhattan, you're like, what am I? Carrie Bradshaw.
Speaker 1: I really when I'm in Manhattan, I feel like I
Speaker 1: moved here yesterday, Like it's truly like wow. And even
Speaker 1: like I was in the East Village and like seeing
Speaker 1: like you know, like the forty something like punks, and
Speaker 1: I was like, how like lame is this like pretending
Speaker 1: like you're this edgy thing when you're paying like a
Speaker 1: shit ton of money for rent and like it's all
Speaker 1: a facade. And then I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: that's literally the same as me. But in bush Like,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh damn, okay, let's grow up, mama,
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: Was it was nice, let's grow up and become a
Speaker 2: forty year old crustpunk and we.
Speaker 1: Like, let's let's stop pretending that like Bushwick is somehow
Speaker 1: more valid than yeah, these other people. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm like either cutting out or making really no sense.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Okay, Sydney, whenever you're ready, let's let's
Speaker 2: fucking go.
Speaker 3: Okay. I would like to give a big ass shout
Speaker 3: out to vander pomp Rules, because you know what, I
Speaker 3: don't have shit to talk about, and when I get
Speaker 3: to the place and everybody's talking about it, I pretend
Speaker 3: I know what I'm fucking talking about. I just want
Speaker 3: to thank Lisa for putting these fucking fools together in
Speaker 3: a restaurant or a bar. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: I would never step foot in, but you know what,
Speaker 3: the drama is hot and the food is cold. I
Speaker 3: love that Ronquelle or Rachel or whatever this whore is
Speaker 3: is sleeping with people's man and acting so o on
Speaker 3: the show. It makes a good show. This is a
Speaker 3: bad show, but good show because you know what, you
Speaker 3: know what, the world is on fire, but this is
Speaker 3: a great distraction. And when I'm not talking about Stacy
Speaker 3: and her not being on the show, or that other
Speaker 3: girl that's who's blonde, who's got a bad attitude, or
Speaker 3: what's her name, what's her name? Oh? Oh oh, but
Speaker 3: La La, Yes, La La, talking about La La and
Speaker 3: you know her weird plastic surgery botox face. I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed, and so it sounds like I know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about, but I don't. I've just been listening
Speaker 3: to the conversations at parties and at outings and makes
Speaker 3: me feel like I'm a part of the culture, but
Speaker 3: I'm not. So I just want to thank this really good,
Speaker 3: bad show for bringing all walks of life together to
Speaker 3: hate on Roquel.
Speaker 1: Beautiful, so beautiful.
Speaker 3: That was a lot.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was everything and nothing. So I'm proud of myself.
Speaker 1: It was everything.
Speaker 2: No, I love it, and so I hadn't watched it
Speaker 2: in many, many years, and I finally broke down when
Speaker 2: I was home in Greece. I watched two full seasons. Yes,
Speaker 2: I just like whenever everyone else would go to sleep,
Speaker 2: I would go to my bedroom and watch it. And
Speaker 2: it's I'm really back in it. I'm back in it
Speaker 2: in a bad way.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: I didn't mention that, like, is that you giving me
Speaker 3: the light?
Speaker 2: Can you believe that it started? Write it? No, it
Speaker 2: literally just started again. It started again. As we're having
Speaker 2: literally three different kinds of connectivity issues, my razors started
Speaker 2: up again. All right, you know what I'm using it?
Speaker 2: This is this is now a weapon and I hate
Speaker 2: to say about it.
Speaker 1: Sydney, thanks for doing the podcast.
Speaker 3: I just want to say that I never know if
Speaker 3: it went well or it didn't, but I do know
Speaker 3: that we finally saw each other and it felt good
Speaker 3: seeing your faces, you know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And I agree with that as well.
Speaker 2: Sidney. There is no one else I would want to
Speaker 2: spend a Tuesday afternoon with, And there is no one
Speaker 2: else I would want to show my razor. I am.
Speaker 3: I've never felt this more special in my life, and
Speaker 3: I just want to I just want you to know
Speaker 3: that you are shifting the culture you know that. Well, well,
Speaker 3: everybody is doing shaving.
Speaker 2: We are shaving the culture.
Speaker 3: Outside doing man on the street in stupid parks. You
Speaker 3: guys are in in the house, in the pods, dissecting
Speaker 3: straight culture.
Speaker 1: We're in We're in the pods, in the Love Is
Speaker 1: Blind pods.
Speaker 2: All right, well, folks, we're in the Love is Blind Pods.
Speaker 2: The going off razor is going off and it's thank
Speaker 2: you everyone, goodbye.
Speaker 3: Wow, we did it, Joe.
Speaker 2: Isn't this insane