1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Ah, beaut Force. If it doesn't work, you're just not 2 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, military 3 00:00:25,520 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the community 4 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: soccer dot com on Time on Target. I really enjoyed 5 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: that last interview with Matthew Betley and it's getting a 6 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: good response thus far. Yeah, it's super cool. This episode 7 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: we have Andy Grant coming on the author You'll Never Walk. 8 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to him, um, especially because and I 9 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: think we'll get into his background more when he comes on. 10 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: But we've had British essays guys on. I'm pretty sure 11 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: we've never had a British Royal Marine on the show 12 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: or uh featured on the site that I even know of, right, 13 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: I think I'm having to go back three d some 14 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: odd episodes. I believe we had Australian s a S 15 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: member on who was a Royal Marine before. Okay, maybe 16 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I can't quite but no British Royal Marine. 17 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: Well he was a British Royal oa okay, because they 18 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: got that whole com and wealth thing going on. I'm 19 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: wondering who that is though that now I think it 20 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: might might have been robbed mail aer Um. So that 21 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: was pre my time. Yeah, that was a that was 22 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot of ways back. Yeah, I should get Rob 23 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: on again sometime. He's interesting. I'm up forgetting anybody that 24 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: you want on Manu. Oh, so, first thing I'll addressed. 25 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: It was just funny. I when the news came out 26 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: of this, I got bombarded with tweets that Dennis Rodman 27 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: will be in Singapore during the summit of Donald Trump 28 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: and Kim John Oon, of which they're now saying he 29 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: will not be there. I think the White House said 30 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: he may be in Singapore at the time, he will 31 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with the meeting. I would never sure. Yeah, 32 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: I hope Reality TV here we are. Are you still 33 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: going to try to get him book them on the show? Yeah? 34 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: If I've emailed will say, you know, it would be 35 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: a long shot, probably, but I'd love to get him on. 36 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: But even there's there's news articles coming So this is 37 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: also why I'm getting a ton of tweets. There's news 38 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: articles coming out about this sighting the Big Bang and 39 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Jeong Yang saying like, if you want to see how 40 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman it will act as a diplomat overseas, watch 41 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: that movie and you will see like how poorly behaved 42 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: is you know? So um, I wish like we could 43 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: just give him like your phone number, like slip it 44 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: in his pocket and then you know he gets like 45 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: six scotches deep and like he'll be sitting at the 46 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: bar and just pull out your number and like just 47 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: call you, you know, do the interview like that. I 48 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: think that I think that's the best shot. Honestly, I 49 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: bet if you call him though at or you know, 50 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: if he had our number, he's probably like that at 51 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: all times, just out of control, you know, watching that 52 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: movie there there was no time where he seemed like 53 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: a normal Dennis Rodman. I've listened to interviews with him though, 54 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: but even like when he because I am a fan 55 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: of the guy, but even when he became an NBA 56 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, it was it was a very bizarre speech. 57 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: If you guys look real, uh yeah, like he got 58 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: very emotional, started crying, uh, and not the way that 59 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: they normally do. Was like, I wish I took the 60 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: game more seriously because you know, it was interesting guy. 61 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'd love to have him on. But it's 62 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: just I I certainly have known to blame but myself 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: or this, and I'm not mad about it at it 64 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: at all, but like I've become known for anytime news 65 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: happens in regarding Dennis Rodman. That's like my my new 66 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: claim to fame. And I still haven't seen the documentary. Yeah, 67 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: well watch you just for pure entertainment. Uh. Going on 68 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: at the site right now at soft rep dot com 69 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: our author Nick Cofman Form Marine, who did an amazing 70 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: job covering what happened with the mars Socks seven and 71 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: you can check that out in our interviews with Fred 72 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: Galvin Marine Corps Major. So the latest update on this 73 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: is that the guys affected want to wear a pain 74 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: on their uniform. Uh, they want their badge yeah, and 75 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: to symbolize this and and it's being shot down. Yeah. Um, 76 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: it's just a question of you know, like any other 77 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: one of these special units, whether you're a seal or 78 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: arranger or what ever, we all have our own insignia 79 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, patches, badges, etcetera. And I guess 80 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: the Marsac team the first the original Marsac guys have 81 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: been denied that thus far. Yeah, um, I mean, what's 82 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: your take on that? I mean, it sounds like it's 83 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: purely political. I mean, we've been going We've had we've 84 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: had Fred Galvin on the show how many, like two 85 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: or three times now. I mean there's a lot of 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: politics wrapped up in it. And um, and it's interesting 87 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: as Nick Kaufman sends these emails out to these Marine 88 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: p a O officers and they're like, it's like a 89 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: mixture of um them ignoring him or being completely oblivious. It's, uh, 90 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: it's weird, but it's it's politics, I mean, and it's 91 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: not just politics, it's it's like very personal, like there's 92 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: some personal grudges going on in the Marine Corps. So 93 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: the thing is, these guys are now exonerated, but it 94 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: seems like it was just from what I from what 95 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: I've read of Nick's pieces, it was done quietly and 96 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: they don't really want knowledge it more the Marine Corps 97 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: us this all go away. Yeah, I mean, I am 98 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: very glad that these guys were exonerated. That's first and foremost, 99 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: because the problem is and and Fred uh mentioned this 100 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: during his interview, like you know, if you google Fred 101 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: Galvin and he's trying to find a job elsewhere, you know, 102 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: in in the civilian world. This is what he's known 103 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: for unfortunately at things that he did not do. So yeah, 104 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: and that rumor, the myth about what happened out there 105 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: persists of this day. Yeah. Well, luckily we have pieces 106 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: out there now. So I mean, even if you google 107 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: more Socks seven, if you look up Fred Galvin, some 108 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: of the first stuff that comes up is nix pieces 109 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: along with our interviews with Fred Galvin. Yeah, I mean, 110 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad we could do that. Uh, nothing else major 111 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: going on that that we have to cover. I was 112 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: looking this morning. We both had strong feelings on There's 113 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: an article on the Daily Caller that Facebook and Twitter 114 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: and Amazon on will be partnering with the Southern Poverty 115 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: Law Center in combating what they consider hate speech. And 116 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: they're basically being used as a UM like arbiter, not 117 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: not um specifically them. They're probably working with other groups, 118 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: it sounds like, but they're one of these groups they're 119 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: gonna work with combat hate speech. And yeah, it's probably 120 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: just pr like they want to bring them in and 121 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: be like, oh, look we're fighting racism, we're checking that block. 122 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: But the Southern Poverty Law Center has like zero credibility 123 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: and they it's amazing how they've been able to position 124 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: themselves as the entity that defines what hate speeches and 125 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: what racism is in all of this. But they don't 126 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: have any real credibility. If you go and you look 127 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: at their research, and I have in the past, they 128 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: make these claims. They'll say, you know, since Barack Obama 129 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: was elected, uh, you know, white supremacy groups have seen 130 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: their membership expand three thousand percent. You're like, huh really okay, 131 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: So you go and look at the reports that they 132 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: publish and you look at the statistics like that, like 133 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: a three thousand percent you know, increase or something. You 134 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: look at that and you're like, okay, so where does 135 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: it show how they gathered this data, where it came from, 136 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: how it was analyzed, Like any kind of like real 137 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: credible organization would be transparent about their statistical methods, and 138 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: the Southern Poverty Law Center is not. And what it 139 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: tells me is they're just making ship up. Yeah, what 140 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: do you say? It's almost like the what is like 141 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: the famous statistic one in four women are like raped 142 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: on college campus or you know, and no backing to this, 143 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of statistics that go around that 144 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't know the source of them. Or it's just 145 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: poorly worded or cleverly worded in a way that you know, 146 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: sexual harassment is defined as like inappropriate looking at someone 147 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: under The Southern Poverty Law Center in particular, is just 148 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: notorious for taking things that are not that big a deal. 149 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe bad, but not a big deal, and blowing 150 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: it way out of proportion. They make. If you listen 151 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: to the stuff they say, you'd think we have like 152 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: the third Ripe marching down the streets of fucking Lexington 153 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Avenue out here. It's just not what's happening. That's not 154 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: the reality of what's going on in this country. Um. 155 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: So this ties into our writer Bill stylis getting Facebook 156 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: jailed for honoring Um what what was yesterday as we're 157 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: recording recording D Day? I was a picture of I 158 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: believe American soldiers right holding the Nazi flag. Yeah. Um 159 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: it was a hundred first theirborn and um, they had 160 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: captured a Nazi flag, you know, during the D Day 161 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: landings or in their case, you know, um, parachuting in um. 162 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: And you know, it's just a classic World War Two 163 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: photo of you know, our troops holding a Nazi flag, 164 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: a Swastika flag. Um, just like you know, you'll find 165 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: um pictures of our troops in Vietnam holding North Vietnamese 166 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: or even um Russian you know, Soviet Union flags. Uh. 167 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Typically you hold them upside down when you capture them, 168 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: UM with a swastika. I guess it doesn't matter. It's 169 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: the same either way. But regardless, Bill posted this picture 170 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: up on the anniversary of the day. You know, UM, 171 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: because you know he's European. He's quite glad that they 172 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: don't live under the Third Riot. I think they're quite 173 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: grateful that that we helped liberate Europe from the Nazis. UM. 174 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: And they Facebook. I'm sure it wasn't a person, who's 175 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: probably just an algorithm that they see us a swastika 176 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: and analyzes the pictures and they're like, bannit and ban him. Um. 177 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: But another hand, doesn't really matter if it was an 178 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: algorithm or a person. If it was a person, probably 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: they're getting the same marching orders as the algorithm. They're 180 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: being told ban anything Nazi. Nazi stuff is unacceptable, So 181 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: you know you're you're painting with his very broad brush. Um. 182 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: But meanwhile, we all know there's all sorts of vile 183 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: ship on Facebook that they don't censor that just goes unchecked. Yeah, 184 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: and so what they're doing, if the idea is anything 185 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: with the swashstick you you get rid of, that means, 186 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, instead of all historical photos exactly where we're 187 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: just going to delete history, We're gonna ignore history. And 188 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: it's it's actually kind of a call back to the 189 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: last episode where I talked about any Nazi imagery in 190 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Germany for whatever reason, uh whatever, the context is banned. Well, 191 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: on one hand, you could say, you know, it's an accident, right, 192 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: it's an algorithm that's designed to curb hate speech on Facebook, 193 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: on social media, so maybe it has a good idea 194 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: behind it. Um. But another way you could interpret it is, 195 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: as you said, it's a racing history. The same mentality 196 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: um that we've talked about in the past, when you're 197 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: tearing down Civil War monuments, we're just gonna delete that 198 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,599 Speaker 1: from the memory banks. Yeah, and some offensive stuff in 199 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: our history, depending on the context, should be shown to 200 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: say this was a part of our history. I mean 201 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: one I one thing I could think of that people 202 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: find very offensive today is you know, white people and 203 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: black face. Should we should we get rid of all 204 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: the historical you know, showing that this was something that 205 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,479 Speaker 1: was accepted in America at one time and we acknowledge 206 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: and we learn from uh, you know, or if something 207 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: has put up that's historical, you know, like the famous 208 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: Amos and Andy and stuff like that on Facebook, are 209 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: they just gonna shut it down and act like this 210 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: never happened? Because I don't think that's the right way 211 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: to look at history, to just erase it. What do 212 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: we what else you can talk about it? And weren't 213 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: for what else do we put down the memory hole? Um? 214 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: You know, the genocide of Native Americans? Um, you know, 215 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: the Holocaust? I mean, what what? What do we disappear? 216 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: How much are we going to disappear? How are we 217 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: going to handle these things? And right now, you know, 218 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: we have some social media companies that have basically created 219 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: a monopoly on that industry. UM. I'm interested to see 220 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: when like some antitrust cases kick in, um against like 221 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter or and maybe some of these other platforms. Um. 222 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: And that'll be interesting to say. But right now they 223 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of have a stranglehold on social media. Oh yeah, 224 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: and even the uh the dating apps. I mentioned it 225 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: on Power Thought. I think with Brandon or it might 226 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: have just told him off air to be honest. Uh. Yeah, 227 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: you know about Bumble, the dating app? So on on 228 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: the dating app, I'm married, bro, I don't know. On 229 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: the dating app Bumble. If you have a picture with 230 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: a gun, no matter the reason. If you're at shot show, 231 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: all right and you're you know, holding a gun, you're 232 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: a gun and dusiers, you are kicked off the platform. Wow. 233 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm surprised Facebook hasn't done that yet. They probably will eventually. 234 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: Um yeah, no, walk walking around New York. There are 235 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: these ads um for a dating app called squirts. Did 236 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: you see those now? It's a dating app for gay guys. 237 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: Well that they were a very traumatizing ap. They were 238 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: the first to do it. It was um what was 239 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: it called grinder? Grin? There was was the original like 240 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: tender It was for game end. Yeah. So look, I'm 241 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: all for people starting whatever platform they want, but as 242 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: you said, it is, it's gonna be hard. I would 243 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: think at this point to create something like Facebook that 244 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: combats it. We're already on there. Like, there's nothing that's 245 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: that's gonna be as popular anytime soon. I don't think. 246 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean, then again, we thought my Space was gonna 247 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: stay forever. But the Facebook has definitely shown a lot 248 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: more lunch evy. Yeah, I mean, I I'd personally like 249 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: to see I would love to see alternative platforms come 250 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: to the forefront. I'm like, I'm ready for one that's 251 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: like on an adult level. I feel like all the 252 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: social media platforms and I and we discussed this on 253 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: the last podcast, it turns us all into assholes. And 254 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: everyone on there, not everyone, but most people are the 255 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: loudest voices. It's like a bunch of thirteen year olds. 256 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: They're actually adults, but they seem like a bunch of 257 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: thirteen year old kids. Like, I'm ready for a communications 258 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: platform where you know, we have some like more intelligent 259 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: conversation or a more mature way of interacting with one another. 260 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: And uh, it doesn't seem that, you know, the facebooks 261 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: and the twitters and them are doing that right now. Um, 262 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: But then again, I mean it's also a technology. Is 263 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: a technology, and it depends on how the people use it, 264 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: how you use that technology. Um, you know you can 265 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: get onto There are like various Facebook groups that are 266 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: dedicated towards um a profession. Um like I'm on one 267 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: or I might be on a couple actually that are 268 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: for deep sea divers, for instance, and it's really cool. 269 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm on another one that's for it's actually for people 270 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: who operate excavators like heavy machinery, and they're all over 271 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: the world and um, and they're posting videos of like, 272 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: here's my work. I dug this, you know, five kilometer trench. 273 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: We're building a new gas line, like it's really cool. Actually, um, 274 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm a lot less tophistigated. I'm in a group for 275 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: fans of Vinny Vincent, the guitars from Kiss. Well, I mean, 276 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: but that's still that's still a hobby, that something that's 277 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: an interest, and you know, maybe all the people there 278 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: are there to talk about Kiss and they think that's 279 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: really cool rather than uh than bullshit. And there's another 280 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: interesting one. I got into on one of these groups, 281 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: um for a video game. I think it's for the 282 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: Elder Scroll series, which I played when I was a kid. 283 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: I do not have time to play those games unfortunately anymore. 284 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: But when I first got on there was interesting because 285 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: it was packed full of alt right propaganda and people 286 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: making like memes from this game, and if you went 287 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: and looked at all the profiles, it was um of 288 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: the people who posted all this like alt right stuff, 289 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: it was like a hot Israeli girl living in Ukraine. Okay, 290 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: how probable is that? And you start looking at this, 291 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: is this a real person? And as Facebook crackdown on 292 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: Russian bots and Russian disinformation campaigns and such, Um, you 293 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: go into that group now when it's totally different, all 294 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: that right ship is out. Um because all the people 295 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: who are posting in their posting that nonsense were Russian bots. 296 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: I believe that's what was going on. That's funny, um, 297 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: But it's also interesting, like why the fuck? But like 298 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: what was going on in the minds of these people 299 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: at the g r U in Moscow or the FSB 300 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: And they're like, I got it, Boris, We're gonna target 301 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: the video game kids. You know, we're gonna post video 302 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: game means and destroy America from within. But I mean, 303 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a part of what they were doing. 304 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: They realized that that was like some segment of American 305 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: society that was susceptible to attack and may have been effective, 306 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: who knows, um, But we do have Andy Grant standing by, 307 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: so I'm looking forward to having them on and uh, 308 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: let's dial them up. Joining us for the first time 309 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: on SOFTWAREP Radio. Former British Royal Marine commando author of 310 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: You'll Never Walk Blown up in Afghanistan he became the 311 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: world's fast single leg amputee is Andy Grant. The book 312 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: just came out. We're excited to have you on and uh, 313 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: first and foremost, thanks for coming on. And as I 314 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: was saying to Jack Dre in the intro, I, at 315 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: least as far as I've been on the show, I've 316 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: never spoken to a British Royal Marine, So before we 317 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: even get into your specific story, I'd be interested in 318 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: hearing some background and just the British Royal Marines in general. Yeah. 319 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: So in the in England we have the Rome Rines, 320 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: which is one of the most elite amphibious fighting forces 321 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: in the world. Really, it's the toughest and longest, hardest 322 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: training we have it in the UK. So for me, 323 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: I was really competitive as a youngster when it comes 324 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: to joining the military. I thought there's only one thing 325 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: I want to go forward that's the longest and hardest training, 326 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: and that was the Rome Marines. It's thirty two weeks 327 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: of basic training. At the moments, only men are allowed 328 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: in the Rome Marines and then from on, from on 329 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: from the Roal Marines. It makes up quite a larger 330 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,719 Speaker 1: sentences our special forces, so it's quite a tough regiment 331 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: to get into. And I think you guys are quite 332 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: proud to correct me if I'm wrong. That isn't the 333 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: Royal Marine training the longest infantry training course in the world. 334 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: It's definitely the longest training in the UK. I'm not 335 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: sure that it's the world, but definitely the longest piece 336 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: of training here in the UK. Like I said, it's 337 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: thirty two weeks long. At the end of training we 338 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: have four commando tests, the last one being a thirty 339 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 1: mile run carrying about fifty sixty pounds worth a kit. 340 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: What is the for our listeners who are probably hearing 341 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: this for the first time, what's the um the task 342 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: of the Royal Marines? I mean, is it comparable to 343 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: what American Marines do? Yeah? I think so. It's pretty similar. Essentially, 344 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: we are just like most infantry units, but we've also 345 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: got the specialist role of being able to go obviously 346 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: via via our Royal Navy, so we're an elite amphibious 347 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: fighting forces. As in Beach London's were also trained obviously 348 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: to jump out of the air, and I guess just 349 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: the rapidly a rapid reaction force, the kind of first 350 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: ones in just behind special Forces. Really, so what made 351 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: you want to join such a difficult elite unit. I 352 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: mean when you you mentioned you were very competitive as 353 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: a kid, I mean, were you just an athlete and 354 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: you saw this as a big challenge to complete? Yeah, 355 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: most definitely. I I didn't fancy having a normal man 356 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: to fire job in an office and my dad's firefighter, 357 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: so that kind of gave me a buzz for doing 358 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: something a little bit different. And I always remember seeing 359 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: an advert on the TV and it's said nine nine 360 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: percent and you not apply, speak the way you think 361 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: just being the coffee seventeen at the time, I thought, yeah, 362 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: I could be there, no point, no one percent, And 363 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: that just really drew me in. I loved everything about it, 364 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: the brotherhood, the camaraderie, just everything about it just struck 365 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: me right in and I just wanted to be a 366 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: commando from ever ever since time. I love that kind 367 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: of reverse reverse psychology recruiting, like you need not apply, 368 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: you're not going to make it. Yeah, well I'll show 369 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: I'll show you exact they worked on me. It was 370 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: it was just such a yeah, it kind of inspiring 371 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: that there for me, and yeah, I just ever since then, 372 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I want to challenge myself. 373 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: I want to see if I've got what it takes 374 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: to be to be part of this kind of elite 375 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: band of brothers. And so you got to your your 376 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: unit after all the training and what was your first deployment. Yes, 377 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: I went to up to four or five commando who 378 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: which which are based up in Scotland. My first deployment 379 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: was to Iraq. But we have deployed to a place 380 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: called kaz And on the Iraqi Quaiti border and actually 381 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: stationed there with with some of you guys or US 382 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: Coast Guards. Basically Kazar was one of the big poor 383 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: towns and it was my job there as a roam 384 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: Rine commander was basically look after camp security and to 385 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: help train coach and mentor the Iraqi Marines, the Iraqi Navy, 386 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: and we had some US Coast Guards there whose job 387 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: was to go out to the oil platforms and basically 388 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: keep an eye on that and make sure they were safe. 389 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: So that was my first deployment to Iraq, which is 390 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: pretty chilled out for me. I know, black when the invasion, 391 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: the U. S and Marines had quite a quite a 392 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: hectic toiler and resolved. But by the time I was there, 393 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: it was really chilled out. I never have to find 394 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: my weapon once in anger, no real danger. It was 395 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: much more about the hearts and minds and the training 396 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: of the racking marines and the racking man And I'm cusser. 397 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: Is the port down in Basra? Right, that's right? Yeah, yeah, 398 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: and there's there's a rail line that runs north supposedly. 399 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: You know, if if Iraq wasn't in a constant state 400 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: of chaos, you know, they could probably get things up 401 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: and running and and supply the country. Yeah. That was 402 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: the thing about Iraq compared to obviously I racking Afghanistan. 403 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: I felt I rack had so much potential. So if 404 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: you kinds of go on vacation, I've been on vacation 405 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: to Turkey and and Egypt, and it just always struck 406 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: me as a country like that that's got, you know, 407 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: so much potential. It's like you say something, it sort 408 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: of the problems out where there's obviously Afghanistan much we're 409 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: going to come onto. It was like going back a 410 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: thousand years in time, but yeah, certainly my time in 411 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: Iraq it was. Yeah, I thought I had a lot 412 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: of potential with the work I was doing with the 413 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: racking Marines and the lacking Navy. You know, at one 414 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: time there's a kind of but I hope that that's 415 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: something might have been able to be achieved. Yeah, No, 416 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: I felt the same way. I mean I was deployed 417 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: to Massoul and Tel Afar, so I was up in 418 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: the northern part of the country and working with the 419 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: Iraqi SWAT team And you know, like you said, Iraq 420 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: is a fairly cosmopolitan country by comparison to Afghanistan. And yeah, 421 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing that kind of breaks my 422 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: heart about that country is you know what it could 423 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: have been. Yeah, totally. And I'm like to say, we 424 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: all felt the same. And like I said, Iraq for 425 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: me was quite killed up time, and it was it 426 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: was great because it was not only was my first deployment, 427 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: I was obviously I was working with in the US 428 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: guys out there, and it was just it just really 429 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: opened my eyes up to the whole of what it 430 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: was like to be in the Marines and be on 431 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: my first tour and work for international forces. So I've 432 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: had a great time out there, and uh, you go 433 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: back to Iraq or was it Afghanistan next? Yeah? No, 434 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: I was just on just on five months in Iraq 435 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: and then it was back to the UK a few 436 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: years of the train and just just within the UK, 437 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: and then it was Afghanistan in my next tour and 438 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: that was where you lost your leg. Yeah. Yeah, So 439 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: I was deployed into Sanding. I was at a place 440 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: called the forb Inkoman, so that the kind of joke 441 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: we had a forb Incorman was I'm not sure whether 442 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: you guys have the same the same kind of phrases, 443 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: but we had the FORB was called was stood for 444 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: Forwards Operating Base. Yeah, don't whether you guys called them 445 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: the same yet. So our one was called forb Incoman, 446 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: which spelt I n K E R m A N, 447 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: which we quickly renamed forb Incoman just because of this 448 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: year amount of mortars and rockets that were getting fired 449 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: out us every day. So it was a pretty a 450 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: completely different sorts I RAQ and yet Sanging at that 451 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: time in two thousand and nine happened to be the 452 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: deadliest time of a bit of soldiers. We lost a 453 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: hundred and eight guys just in two thousand nine alone. 454 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: And as you you know yourselves that the you know 455 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: that the load of averages state that's seven or eight 456 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 1: are seriously injured for everyone that's killed. So for US 457 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: Brits two thousand arms, it was a pretty tough year. 458 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: And you know, hundred British soldiers. You have to also 459 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: as Americans, we have to put that kind of in 460 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: proportion or per capita um, you know, for like the instance, 461 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: I think Denmark has lost a hundred something soldiers, which 462 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: for a small country like that, that's a lot of people. Um, 463 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: for a country like the UK. Understand, the UK military 464 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: is the same size as our Special Operations Command and 465 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: are so common is something like seventy thousand people. I 466 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: mean that's about the same size as the British military, 467 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah. I think our British minditshi at the 468 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: moments about ninety thousand, So it's it's not like I 469 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, So to lose a hundred people in 470 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: a year, I mean that's a that's a huge loss 471 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: that you know, I'm sure you guys felt very deeply. Yeah, Yeah, 472 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: it was. It was just a tough time and you 473 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: could just tell a lot of you know, things were 474 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: shifting more to the I V. It was just it's 475 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: just a really and it was just a tough time 476 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: at the moment two thousand nine. It was just yeah, 477 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: it was just crazy, to be honest, It was you 478 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: just know every time you're going on to holler, you know, 479 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: the liring of yourself for one of the guys getting injured. 480 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Was it was just that it was just gonna happen. 481 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: It was again just a really really hector plan. And 482 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: do you want to tell us a little bit about 483 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: our what you're comfortable talking about as far as um 484 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, the incident where you are you were injured, Yeah, 485 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah. So it's just a routine for Patrol 486 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: one that we've done, you know, hundreds of times before. 487 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: The mission on this particular morning was to get out 488 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: using the cover of darkness, get out in the position, 489 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: basically gets to a compound that we knew the Taliban occupied, 490 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: and basically used the cover of darkness to get as 491 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 1: close to them as we call and then essentially give 492 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: them the good news when when it's like them and 493 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: we were patrolling for about forty five minutes or so. 494 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: I was the second man in the patrol, my best mate, 495 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: and was leading away and like I said, it was 496 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: pitch blass. I could barely see your hand in front 497 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: of your face. And we got to an indigation ditch. 498 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: The best mate on a little bit of a runoff 499 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: to jump over. I was just covering on right behind 500 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: it as he jumped over the ditch where he didn't 501 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: see it was a trip wire on the other side 502 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,959 Speaker 1: of the ditch in between two trees which was attached 503 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: to two mortars. Here they run off in a daisy 504 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: chain and blew him forward and blew me back. At 505 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: the time, I I think it was twenty seven separate 506 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: injuries from trapped into my face too broken outbow broken 507 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: stair them. It put broke both lower legs and I 508 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: sat with my Fami Lawsy, which died through. The guys 509 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 1: on the grounds had to torn and kick on their 510 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: straight away. That shaved my life. So did you what 511 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: was it one of these deals where you know you 512 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: woke up in the hospital or were you conscious when 513 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: they pulled you off the battlefield? Yeah? I remember the 514 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: first fourty minutes to show I remember it perfect, and 515 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: then after about forty minutes to show, the helicopter came 516 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: in picked me up and then that's when as soon 517 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: as I got placed onto the helicopter, that was when 518 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: my memory goes. Then they obviously they put all the 519 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: drugs and flues and yeah, you got the good stuff. Yeah. 520 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: So the next thing I knew was I woke up 521 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: two week later back in the UK. You performed two 522 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: life saving operations on me in Campastian Hospital and then 523 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: my condition was them that serious not They got me 524 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: back to the UK with an eighteen hours so it 525 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: was pretty surreal. That's that's incredible And yeah, if you can, Andy, 526 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: I'd like to get into the story of them amputating 527 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: your leg, which plays into the title of your book, 528 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: because I think incredibly it's an incredible story, incredibly ironic. Yeah. Yes, 529 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: time they actually managed to see it the leg. But 530 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: for me, I was used to being in the mom marines. 531 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: I was really fit, I was really active. I just 532 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: wasn't happy kinds of being disabled. I feel like I 533 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: just which might sound crazy to know that I chose 534 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: samputating my leg swampy taking my leg to not be disabled, 535 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: but essentially the leg just wasn't wasn't working, It wasn't 536 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: it would never be what it was. Yeah, exactly. It 537 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 1: was just so much snare sandwich that I just I couldn't. 538 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't live the life I wanted to live, basically, 539 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,239 Speaker 1: so I oftened to have the amputation. Now I'm here 540 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: in UK. I'm a huge football or you guys Charker 541 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: fan and Liverpool is my is my team and the 542 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: logos they have a what's called Alive of Birds, which 543 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: is kind of the kind of icon of our city 544 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: with the with the phrase you will never walk alone. 545 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: So when I woke up for my amputation, the surgeon 546 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: said to me, Andy, I've got some good news bad news, 547 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: and my heart you know shunk, I thought on or 548 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: something went wrong, there's being complications straight away reassured being 549 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: said no, listen to the operation went really well. The 550 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: bad news is it hard to looks a little bit 551 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: different bike, okay, And he basically said, because of all 552 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: the scar tissue on my leg, he had to pull 553 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: the skin around from the back of my legs to 554 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: create a decent stuff and in doing so he cut 555 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: off the way the loan said the tattoon I read 556 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: you'll never walk for leave it or not. You're you're 557 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: you're friends in the in the Royal Marines must have 558 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: like given you no end of ship over that. Oh yeah, yeah, 559 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, well we have a thing in the Marines 560 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: called Commando humor, so definitely one of the times that 561 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: they have to draw on all the command of humor 562 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: for all. But all the bantering that was going around 563 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: after that, but it was just it was just one 564 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: of those things, you know, you just stop to laugh 565 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: about it. It It was panfull. The operation went okay, so 566 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: it was it just turned out to be a funny story. 567 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: I want to get into, you know, you running after 568 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: this and and what you're currently doing and becoming a 569 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: record holder. But I'm curious, were you a runner prior 570 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: to all this? Was that a hobby of yours beyond 571 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: just being a military guy? Not really, you know what 572 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know yourself, you know, you always keep 573 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: up a high level of fitness being in the military. 574 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: But I've got to be honest that I never clashed 575 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: myself as a runner or someone who was I mean, 576 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: I was never even even really one of the really 577 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: fittest guys. I mean, there was always maybe in the 578 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: soft the soft path, maybe the top quarter. But I 579 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: was never a super thick guy. Well I mean again, 580 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: you fit when you're in the Marines, but I mean 581 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: compared to the guys in the Marines, I was never 582 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: super super fit. And that's probably one of my regressory 583 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: that I didn't didn't run more when I had two 584 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: legs to compare my times when as an ampute guests. 585 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: For me, the reason I've got into runing was I 586 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: didn't like the idea of being known as disabled. That 587 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: I hated the fact that, you know, I was so 588 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: proud of being a run wa in commando that I 589 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: didn't like the fact that people when I looking at 590 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: me thinking, there's like I am, you used to be 591 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: in the Marines, and there's now disabled though he's now 592 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: got one leg, so I still have the same mindset 593 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: in the Marines. You know that I was this, you know, 594 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: because I could achieve anything. I jumped out start to 595 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: comfort zone, any any opportunity. So I just started running. 596 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: I got into the running and for partying. Prince Haddi's 597 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: in Victor's Games. I think he came over and stole 598 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: the idea off the wateror games that you guys have 599 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: and and basically started this thing called the Invictor's Games, 600 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: which is a mini Paralympics but injured soldiers. I was 601 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: looking enough to win a couple of gold medals in 602 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: the four hundred and fifteen hundreds, and after the plans 603 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: spring boarded me and so wants to compete, but unfortunately 604 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: for me, the longest distance for an ad for basically 605 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: someone who's lost the leg below the knee in the 606 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: Paralympics just just four dre And I mean and no 607 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 1: guys that guys are sucking rath that they can run 608 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: four meters in like forty five seconds or show. So 609 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty quick. Where myself, I'm a bit more 610 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: of a long distance runner. So I've done a bit 611 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: of Google and to find out there any any other 612 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: computies in the world you liked run a long distance. 613 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: And I came across the Canadian guy called rip Ball, 614 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: and he could run ten thousand meters in thirty seven 615 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: minutes fifty three seconds. Then that just became a pretty 616 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: kind of you know, just it was right, that's it, 617 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, I want to that's a pretty kind of 618 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: good goals, righting for and I want to go for that. 619 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: So that's what kind of got me running again and 620 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: give me some real focus or real aim and try 621 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: and try and break thirty seven fifty three. Is there 622 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: any advice you'd have for other amputees as far as 623 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: the recovery process finding the right type of prosthetics. Um, 624 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, if there are other soldiers 625 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: listening to this, or maybe even somebody who was in 626 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: a car crash or an accident. Um, you know, any 627 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: advice that you might want to pass on. Yeah, I 628 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: think initially I am. I told myself a lot of 629 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: harmonystually just signs to basically push it too quickly. You know, 630 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: the leg wasn't properly here that I was trying to 631 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, I was always looking to push on. And 632 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: the big thing I've la, which is I tell any 633 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: of the amputees just listen to your body, because again 634 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: your mind is telling you that you know you can 635 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: do all these things, where the fact of the matter is, 636 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: you know your body is changed a lot. So the 637 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: thing is to just listen to your body in the 638 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: early days and you know, let things here and and 639 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: don't push it too much too soon. But then once 640 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: you can't just stump to sealed. Okay. Then then the 641 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: other advice, which was standard, it sounds like the opposite 642 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: bo will be just to push you, you know, once 643 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, once your body's here and you're okay, you know, 644 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: don't let everything stop you and don't be scared to 645 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: try new things. You know, since becoming an ampute, se 646 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: learns to roll off lens to skier lens to say, 647 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: being able to do things, you know, by just giving 648 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: things to go. So you know, once you've got a 649 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: good prosthetic faith and you know you're waiting your see 650 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: him and you get that good faith and a good leg, 651 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: then my advice would you know, don't let nothing stuff, 652 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, push the boundaries and and and trying new things. 653 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Here in America there's always been a lot of contra 654 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: or see regarding the health care system. Even for veterans 655 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: with the v A and guys who are amputees, there's 656 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: sometimes issues with you know, getting them the prosthetic that 657 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: they need and deserve. Of course, I'm wondering just how 658 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: it differs in the UK as as a veteran in 659 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: need of a prosthetic and in your case, a very 660 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: good one we're able to run and do all these sports, 661 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: as you were just mentioning, Yeah, that's interesting. So we 662 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: had a similar problem where there was going to be 663 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: a time when basically what the government is was promised 664 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: all the veterans that they would receive the same level 665 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: of care once they left the ministry, and then that 666 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: wasn't happening initially, so I think there's a lot of 667 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: arguments and back and forth, and then in the end 668 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: the government pledged a stating amount of money and basically 669 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: made six specialist centers within the UK, so that now 670 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: is a veteran we've got six special sense that we 671 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: can go to and the governments have now matched the 672 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: kind of same level of care that we received from 673 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: even the military. So obviously we we we have here 674 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: in the UK the Nationals Service. That's why healthcare is 675 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: agree anyway. So what it's meant really now is if 676 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: you lose your leg in a car accidents as a civilian, 677 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: you'll just have the kind of basic NHS National Health 678 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: Service care with is as a veteran you will now 679 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: get the kinds of best the specialist kind of care 680 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: and equipment. Really, so it's really felt quite well for respections. Yeah, 681 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: it's good to hear. I mean because what we've met 682 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: guys like Mike Schlitz for example, um who have lost 683 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: limbs in combat and you know, just basic things like 684 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: using appliances around your house. You have to change everything. 685 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: And I'm sure for you before you were able to 686 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: run and all that, you have to change a lot 687 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: of things in your lifestyle from having to working legs. Yeah, 688 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean I was quite looking since I mean the 689 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: kind of the lads. The lads around me just call 690 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: my injury it's twisted stock because it's only I beload 691 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: any amputee it's nothing, it's nothing him. More So, that's 692 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: the kind of plants that we have. Well, I mean, yeah, 693 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: for sure, you know, get a wheel chair to go 694 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: around your house and lay and I spent a lot 695 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: of time on crouches, so in the early days. It's 696 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: definitely it definitely takes a lot of things. Again used 697 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: to both I think, well, the government is not always 698 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: a great it's not always great for the veterancy in 699 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: the UK, but what we are lucky with is we 700 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of military charities and I think a 701 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: lot of the time here in the UK, the Ministry 702 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: charities pick up the pieces after government. Think of what 703 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: are some of the better charities over in the UK 704 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: that have that help out the vets. So we have 705 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: one called Help for Heroes which is which is a 706 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: pretty big one. We have a charity called PLASMA, which 707 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: is called the British Limbless ex Servagance Association, so it 708 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: basically looks after anyone who's lost a limb them too. 709 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: Probably two of the biggest ones will also have actually 710 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: the Royal British Legion. So I mean there's a lot 711 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: of support out there for the guys if they're willing 712 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: to come forward that ast for hope, that's great. And Andy, 713 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: I also just wanted to ask you. Um mentioned in 714 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: the book how you became a father, and I was 715 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: wondering if you could talk about, you know, kind of 716 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: moving past your your injury or quote unquote disabe reality 717 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: and just living your life as a man. Yeah. I mean, 718 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: so be honest. One of the big things I've talked 719 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: about in the book, which I never really mentioned to anyone, 720 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: was actually lost the ability to have kids. In the blast. 721 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: Everyone would look at me and say that I've lost 722 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: my life. I think that was the worst injury. But 723 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: for me, not being able to have kids have the 724 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: biggest impact on me. And then thankfully going through IVF 725 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: and using spam donor, I managed to have my little 726 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: girl who's no three years of age. And the big 727 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: thing for me is once and now as I kind 728 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 1: of live my life and I as a motivational speaker, 729 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: I just want to be a great dad to my 730 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: daughter and have a grow up knowing not anything is possible. 731 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: So at any time I go for a run or 732 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: my both ski or safe and not any of these 733 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: things that I do. In the back of my mind, 734 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: I'm what he's thinking. At least my daughter will just 735 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: see me getting on with life and and not you know, 736 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: it's not letting, not not letting nothing hold me back. 737 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, I just live a pretty normal life with him. Now. 738 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: We go to the park, we go swimming, we go 739 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: to the beach, we walked a talk. You know, life 740 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: is pretty normal. And it's great that she that she 741 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: looks at me is only having one leg and thinks 742 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: it's completely normal. Yea, so it's it's great you have. 743 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: You know, she goes in my robot leg and she 744 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: tells her friends that I got blown up, blown up 745 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: by the bath. No, it's it's it's funny and everything's 746 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: just completely normal today, which is great. Yeah, that's the 747 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: beautiful thing about a little kid that they don't see, uh, 748 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: something weird, they don't see something strange, that it's just 749 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: that that's daddy, that's how it is. Yeah, exactly. You 750 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: know that's got that's got four different legs. Is running, leg, 751 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: is swimming, leg is normal leg. And that's completely normal. 752 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: And and I think that's great. That's she's going to 753 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: grow up just thinking that, Yeah, that's that's completely normal. 754 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, she's She's gonna give me a lot of 755 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: focus recently and on one trying to keep on living 756 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: my life to the fullest so that she can see that, 757 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, anything is possible in life. Very cool. So, Andy, 758 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: what are you up to now beyond being an athlete? 759 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: So the idea for me really for the next six 760 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: months just to try and push the book out as 761 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: much as possible and and yeah, just to try and 762 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: make the books as big as big of a succession 763 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: as it can be. But again, for me, I'm one 764 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: of these people that just like setting myself challenges and 765 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, so I think give myself six months. Then 766 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: come January, come to start the next year. I need 767 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: to start planning, planning, new new targets, new challenges. I 768 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: was looking enough to climb in months in Concaguay, which 769 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: the highest moment in South America. I wouldn't mind having 770 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: a crack aftering the highest part in North America. Ali, 771 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: you you've just got two names for it, wasn't I 772 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: think in North America? Um So, yeah, I'd like to 773 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: find it out there and climb that. Um but yeah, 774 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: just I think for the next six months, really just 775 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: try and make the book as successful as possible and 776 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: then get back to the drawing board in the new 777 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: year and set myself in challenges and everything and just 778 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: show up for that. Anything is possible with the right mindster. 779 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: That's great. Um So I'm wondering beyond. You know, we 780 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: kind of went through the whole story of of getting 781 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: the the prosthetic put on and everything, but psychologically and 782 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: and it seems like athletics is what's helped you through 783 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: all this, But psychologically, have you gone through any post 784 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: traumatic stress issues? I mean that's a topic we talked 785 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: about very often on this show. Yeah, yeah, I mean 786 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: I've not got a great experience in mental health, and 787 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: in a sense that I've never been diagnosed with PTSD 788 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: postramatic stress disorder, and so I've got no real experience 789 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: and not of unfortunately had a few friends who've committed 790 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: suicide because of that. And that's the kind of only 791 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: experience I've got from from just knowing people being through me. 792 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: But I mean I've definitely been through some dark times. 793 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: I when I got out out of the Marines, the 794 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: big thing that he realized was not having that self 795 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: worth anymore. You know, one minute I was just you know, 796 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,360 Speaker 1: rough suffer Rome rings wando, and the next minute I 797 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: was getting spoon fed by my dad and that was 798 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: a big That was a big change. And then once 799 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: I once I was medically discharged the Rome Marines, I 800 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: had a lot of time on my hands and I 801 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: started to drinking a lot. I started gambling law and 802 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: got messily personal life. But definitely sports and running has 803 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: massively helped me and um, but I think definitely the 804 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: problem was was just keeping it all blows up and 805 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: side and not talking to people. And there wasn't so 806 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: much flashbacks and punstramatic stress. It was more just the 807 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: adjustments of you know, once upon a time being a 808 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: role marine and now just being this kind of guy 809 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: who used to be a marine and now just kind 810 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: of sits around the thump all day and doesn't do anything. 811 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,359 Speaker 1: That was the big problem. Yeah, that hits guys really hard. 812 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: I've heard other people articulate the same thing, that you 813 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: go from being a ranger or a marine in your case, 814 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: and then suddenly you're out on city street and you're 815 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: not you're you're you're you're physically this almost an elite athlete. 816 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: But then you go from that to you know, living 817 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: this very inactive lifestyle because you're recovering from injuries. Yeah, exactly, 818 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's what gets mixed up a lot 819 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: here in ukni make people. People just think all that 820 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: pumstramatic stress or so that, and it's not because again 821 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: I can talk about my time in Afghanistan bother me 822 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: and I've never a flashback or something like that. But yeah, 823 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: I definitely did suffer with depression and there's definitely something 824 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: not right mentally, but again it wasn't PTSD. And I 825 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: think that's a big problem of people just put them 826 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: all together and say, oh, yeah, it must be PTSD 827 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 1: and make you allude the too. Then it's it's it's 828 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 1: more just the fact that you were once upon a 829 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: time this kind of elite soldiers and now you're just 830 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, this disabled guy on some city streets, which 831 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: it can be quite hard to take. Yeah. Yeah, it's 832 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: like going from driving a race car to you know, 833 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: having a scooter. Yeah. That's interestingly though, to hear someone 834 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: who lost a women in combat, which is pretty much 835 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: as horrifying as you could get, say that you know, 836 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: you have not been diagnosed with PTSD, because I think 837 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: people would assume this guy has to have PTSD, and 838 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: that's not just not the way it works, no, exactly. Yeah. 839 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean again, I put a job now the onslational 840 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: streets and I talk about it all the time, you know, 841 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: for have ptsday wouldn't be able to talk about over time. 842 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: I think it's guys you maybe have maybe done four 843 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: or five, six seven tours with Rock and Scanstlan. You know, 844 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: maybe they're guys you might shuff with it. Well, yeah, 845 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: people shouldn't assume that just because I've been blown up 846 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: that I've got PTSD, or or just because I'm feeling 847 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: a bit down and dump some life's not going great 848 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,760 Speaker 1: at the minute. Again, shouldn't always assume out of PTSD. 849 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: And I think that's what frustrate spot of veterancy in 850 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: the uk LA. Everything just gets banded together. But being PTSD, well, 851 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: it hits everybody. You know, It's a very individual thing, 852 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: and it hits people differently. Like you know, maybe you 853 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: were able to process that experience in the blast, but 854 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: there might be some young kid who you know, bandaged 855 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: you up and brought you to the helicopter and he 856 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 1: has some kind of PTSD issue because he saw what 857 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: happened to his teammate. And it's very interesting the way 858 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,280 Speaker 1: it can hit different people in different ways. Yeah, totally. 859 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I know the guy who shaved me, the 860 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: mesic who shaved me, he's had a few problems over 861 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 1: the years just because of things that he's seen. You know, 862 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: he didn't only bondage me up, but he held a 863 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: lot of other guys. So I mean, for me, I 864 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: remember the whole instant perfect of what it was like 865 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: to get blown up. But I didn't have to put 866 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: a tone actually on my leg. You know, I didn't 867 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: bondage me up. I was I was just lying that 868 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: kind of thing. So again I can, like you've just 869 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: said the name on the head, it can affect people 870 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: very differently. And and like I say, I've just been 871 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,360 Speaker 1: lucky at having stuff from PTSD and and yeah, I 872 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: mean it's it's really unfortunate that here in the UK 873 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: there's there's not more can't be done for those guys 874 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 1: as it's kind of only just coming to a now 875 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: really that people only really starting to recognize it now. 876 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,839 Speaker 1: It is a real problem. Yeah, well, you're a very 877 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: inspirational guy. I think a lot of people are going 878 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: to hear this, and whether they're a veteran or just 879 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 1: someone who's going through a hard time, it helps some 880 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: people hear a story like this and and makes them 881 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,280 Speaker 1: feel you know, if this guy could get through combat 882 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: losing a leg, you can pretty much get through anything psychologically. Um, 883 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: the book is You'll never walk blown up in Afghanistan. 884 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: He became the world's fastest single leg amputee. It just 885 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: came out. It's available now everywhere on Twitter and Instagram 886 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: at Andy G. Bootneck. Um. Any other things about the 887 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: book that you want the audience to to know, ah, 888 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: and that you want people to get out of this yeah. 889 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: The big message really that the lasting message I really 890 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: want to take away from this is that you know, 891 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: you don't do not need to be blown up in 892 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and losing legs. Realize life can be tough, life 893 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: can be pretty ship in city streets, and your personal 894 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: life and your professional life. You know, I talked about 895 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: losing my moment. I was twelve after me it was 896 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: by far the hardest thing I've ever been through in 897 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,240 Speaker 1: my life. So if people are reading the book, license 898 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: just try and take solid staff the fact that you know, 899 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: no matter what life does throwing you know, you can 900 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: get over things. And it's not solely about the military, 901 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,200 Speaker 1: what about losing the leg It's just about trying to 902 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: overcome life challenges and everything everything that life throws at 903 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: you and just you know, surround yourself like good people 904 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,279 Speaker 1: have to write attitude the lifewere cards and hopefully you'll 905 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,320 Speaker 1: be able to overcome whatever challenges that are infence of you. 906 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: Right on, I think we'll have to get in touch 907 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 1: with Andy as the next remembrance rumble happens, maybe to 908 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: just come out. Oh yeah, you know, so every year 909 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: in the UK, the company that this is a part 910 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: of Hurricane media. Uh for Remembrance stay there goes out 911 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: and there's a boxing match between US Special Operations military 912 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: guys or you should say US military guys in general 913 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,320 Speaker 1: because a lot of them turned out to be Marines 914 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 1: this past year versus some British y S guys And 915 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,399 Speaker 1: it's just a great event charity. What were we saying? Sorry? Yes, 916 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: so I think I think I've heard about this before. Yeah, 917 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,280 Speaker 1: I think yes. If you're familiar with Big Phil Campion, 918 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: he's he's one of the big guys behind it. Yeah, 919 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: I think I've seen him on social media. Very cool. 920 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: So maybe you can come out the next Remembrance Day 921 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: And that sounds good. Like I said, I'm in the 922 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: state saying normally a couple of times a years, I've 923 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: been great to come over and the Yeah, well they 924 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: do this in the UK, so that's why I brought 925 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: it up. But yeah, if you're over the state's absolutely 926 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, please do drop us a line next 927 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: time he passed through New York. No, be awesome, Thanks 928 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: pretty much, very cool. Thank you Andy. How did you 929 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: want Andy? Well appreciate Andy coming on with us once again. 930 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: If you want to check him out, it's Andy g 931 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,200 Speaker 1: Bootneck at Twitter and Instagram. What an inspiring guy, inspiring 932 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,880 Speaker 1: story and whatever. Whatever I hear from guys like that, 933 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,919 Speaker 1: whether it's Joe Chap Joe Kapachsky hard name to say, 934 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: or UM or Mike Schwitz, it does remind you that. 935 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: At least for me, it's it's just that message of 936 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, you haven't seen ship compared to like 937 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,239 Speaker 1: what these guys have been through, and if they can 938 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: get through this, you can get through anything. So I 939 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 1: think it's just a message everybody needs to hear, whether 940 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: you're a combat bet or civilian. He is right. Everybody 941 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: goes through certain struggles, and I think reading about other 942 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 1: struggles is therapeutic. Yeah. I was writing about Joe capaches 943 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,840 Speaker 1: get a little bit in my book UM, because you 944 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,520 Speaker 1: know I was there for some of that UM. And 945 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,840 Speaker 1: I remember after he got blown up and and he 946 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: was released from the hospital. I remember him coming out 947 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: to see us, and when we're training out at the 948 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: shoot house and he came up on crutches. I'll never 949 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 1: forget this, Joe Kapachevski like apologizing to us, like saying 950 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, guys, I'm not going to be there 951 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: on this next deployment, but the one after that, I'll 952 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: be there. And I was like, who is this guy? Like, 953 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: this guy's like telling us he's he's got blown up. 954 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: He ended up having to have um one of his 955 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: legs amputated. And where do these people come from that? 956 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: This guy is such a hard charger that he's like, yeah, sorry, bro, 957 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: I'm not going to make it on this one, but 958 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: I'll be good to go the next one. 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Uh So, 1000 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,440 Speaker 1: whether you're iOS or Android, you check that out the 1001 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 1: spec ops channel app. Appreciate you guys checking out this episode. 1002 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: And before we go, I already did a throw a 1003 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: punch the week this week, but I will do a 1004 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,360 Speaker 1: second one that I've been meaning to do and I 1005 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,600 Speaker 1: forgot about it, um because I while I was in 1006 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh I read the story. Um, let me take a 1007 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: sip of my water real quick. There's no water on 1008 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,439 Speaker 1: this show in after doing you know, like the live 1009 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: read part. Yeah, all right, So if you're a listener 1010 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: of Power of Thought, you've definitely heard Brandon tell this 1011 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,360 Speaker 1: story before. So he met Fat Mike from No Effects 1012 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,359 Speaker 1: and definitely got into a verbal confrontation with him as 1013 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,880 Speaker 1: Fat Mike called him an asshole because Brandon said he 1014 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,840 Speaker 1: didn't vote for Hillary Clinton. And at that point Brandon 1015 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: was like, from his words, he said, you don't know 1016 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: me from Adam, Like, you don't know anything about me, uh, 1017 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,760 Speaker 1: and you're gonna judge me based on you know, politics. 1018 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,400 Speaker 1: There's a ton of reasons why I wouldn't vote for 1019 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, you know, losing his friend Glenn Doherty and 1020 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,359 Speaker 1: Benghazi among a lot of other things. And uh yeah, 1021 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 1: he just said like it was a lesson in that 1022 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,320 Speaker 1: people need to, you know, have some silver discourse. And 1023 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: I think it all ended okay, But it was just 1024 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,360 Speaker 1: like you can't go up to someone called him an 1025 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: asshole based on who they did or didn't vote for me. 1026 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: Not to defend our throat punch of the week candidate, 1027 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: but I mean, I'm surprised he actually had the stones 1028 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: to say that to his face because I have these conversations. 1029 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,239 Speaker 1: People talk tough on the internet, but they will not 1030 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: say stuff like that to you in person. Yeah, that 1031 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: is true. That is true. I wish they would. Yeah, 1032 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 1: you know, I I do agree with that because, yeah, 1033 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,000 Speaker 1: it's more civil one on one. Yeah, because like when 1034 00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,120 Speaker 1: you're a man, it's known that there are certain limits 1035 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: that if you cross, it's gonna be a fist fight. 1036 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 1: Do you ever see the picture before I tell you 1037 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: why this will throw a bunch of the week, we 1038 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,160 Speaker 1: ever see the It's a meme of a guy. It's 1039 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: like a hipster looking kid in a Bernie Sanders shirt 1040 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,720 Speaker 1: and it's all Bernie Sanders face all over the shirt 1041 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,120 Speaker 1: and he's like in the face of a like big 1042 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,880 Speaker 1: biker guy, a big Trump guy. And it says, like 1043 00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,880 Speaker 1: that moment you realize you're not arguing on the internet anymore, 1044 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 1: I want to see I can pull it up really 1045 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:23,279 Speaker 1: quick because it's a funny meme. Uh But so the 1046 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,160 Speaker 1: reason I'm mentioning that story though with Fat Mike, it 1047 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: seems like this guy has a habit of opening his 1048 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: mouth saying things that he absolutely shouldn't. In this case, 1049 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,399 Speaker 1: this was extremely disrespectful and in bad taste, would put 1050 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,399 Speaker 1: it whitely. Uh So, No Effects was playing a show 1051 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 1: in Vegas and they referenced the Vegas mash shooting, which 1052 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,120 Speaker 1: is the you know, the biggest mash shooting in history 1053 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: of you know, of that type of caliber, which we're 1054 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 1: still finding more and more about it. It's interesting. But anyway, 1055 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: at the concert, he said that at least the people 1056 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,000 Speaker 1: kill old we're country fans and not punk rock fans. 1057 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: And it's like, what a douche thing to say. And 1058 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 1: also it's like that you go to a country concert, 1059 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 1: you go to a punk rock concert, which you know, 1060 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 1: I've been to all different types of shows. These are 1061 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,760 Speaker 1: the same type of people. Well to escape the monotony 1062 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,359 Speaker 1: of everyday life. Um, I really don't see these as 1063 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 1: as different people. And uh, it's you know, just talk 1064 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,439 Speaker 1: about divisive that. It's like you're you're doing it wrong. Ian. 1065 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: You're supposed to plant yourself in the ground and just 1066 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: damn everybody else who isn't you. That's how this is done, man. Yeah, 1067 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: And so I mean to to look at someone as 1068 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: a lesser form of wife, I guess because of the music. 1069 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: Sub human country music, yeah, is really absurd. And it 1070 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,839 Speaker 1: probably does play into politics because you know, you think 1071 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: country fans, you think Trump supporter, you think punk rock fans, 1072 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 1: you think, uh, you know, most likely that's that's that's 1073 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 1: totally what I think. Man. Punk fans are voting for Hillary. 1074 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,879 Speaker 1: They're not voting for Trump. I don't know, I really 1075 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I I don't hang out with like a 1076 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,400 Speaker 1: punk shows often enough to be able to say I 1077 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,879 Speaker 1: would I would say more show of Bernie Sanders resupporter. Yeah, 1078 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean it would be fair to say, but I 1079 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,399 Speaker 1: do is that what punk has come to? Is there 1080 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,120 Speaker 1: voting for establishment candidates? Now? Well, you know it's funny Andrew, 1081 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,719 Speaker 1: our friend Andrew will cow Wids would He's a big 1082 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 1: punk rock I would talk about that all the time. 1083 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,759 Speaker 1: That to him, punk rock is all about anti establishment, 1084 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,800 Speaker 1: about anarchy. But at the same time, I wouldn't exactly 1085 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,879 Speaker 1: say Trump represents you know, anarchy, Uh whatever, Well that's 1086 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: that's that's well, that's the interesting thing is why did 1087 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: people vote for Trump. Is it because he was establishment 1088 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,040 Speaker 1: or was it because he was anarchy and they saw 1089 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: him as you know, like like send this guy to 1090 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,400 Speaker 1: d C so he can burn the place to the ground, 1091 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, just destroy that. It was like a way 1092 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: to like funk the system, right, which is very punk 1093 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,120 Speaker 1: destroy the system. Anyway, we're going all over the place 1094 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,840 Speaker 1: and you got me talking about Trump again. Yes, again. 1095 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 1: The main point I want to make is, yeah, fat 1096 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,920 Speaker 1: mic throw a punch of the week, ridiculous statement. I'm 1097 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,200 Speaker 1: pretty sure I hasn't apologized or anything. But you know, 1098 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 1: at the same time, if if you really feel that way, 1099 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 1: I don't think you should apologize. I'm tired of fake apologies. Uh. 1100 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 1: That apology culture. Man, it's embarrassing. Yes, stick to your guns. 1101 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: I respect that. Yeah, I do respect that, but it's 1102 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: an absurd statement to make. UM. And you know, it 1103 00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: was just a horrible thing that happened. There's no there's 1104 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: absolutely no acceptable way to view. UM, people going out 1105 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: for a night in Vegas seeing a country show and 1106 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,240 Speaker 1: being murdered by someone for no reason. It's as senseless 1107 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,040 Speaker 1: as it. Guess. Yeah, UM, I don't want to end 1108 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,320 Speaker 1: the show on like a morbid No, no, no, no. 1109 00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,120 Speaker 1: Is there anything else to say before we get out 1110 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:52,920 Speaker 1: of here? Uh? Work on your memoir ongoing as usual, 1111 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: the painful editing process. Um. What else is going on? 1112 00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: Working on stories? Working on IM? I said, I'm going 1113 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: to write a book or I'm sorry a film review. 1114 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,359 Speaker 1: Um that it was a It's a film, a very 1115 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,719 Speaker 1: subversive film that was recommended to me by two retired 1116 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 1: uh CIA officers, both of whom are black. Um. And 1117 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: this is like a nineteen seventies film about the first Uh. 1118 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: It's a fictional film, of course, but it's about the 1119 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: first um, black CIA officer and things go awry. Um. 1120 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,560 Speaker 1: So but I'll write a film review of that, and 1121 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask both of those guys why 1122 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,520 Speaker 1: they love this movie so much. I loved it as well. Um, 1123 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,919 Speaker 1: but I'll write that film review. Um. And then there's 1124 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, my this, this one story I've been chipping 1125 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: out away at little by little. I hope i'll start 1126 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,720 Speaker 1: writing it soon. Um. But hard at work and all 1127 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 1: that cool. All right, We'll pick up Andy Grant's book, 1128 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: and pick up Matthew Betley's book. Plenty of great stuff 1129 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,320 Speaker 1: to check out, um in the military community, whether it's 1130 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: fiction or nonfiction. A lot of great authors. Hard at work, 1131 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,600 Speaker 1: and uh, leave us a review on Apple podcasts. Uh, 1132 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 1: speaking of Bernie Sanders, because we don't want to get 1133 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't know who's who's ahead right now, Austin Bernie Sanders. 1134 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: Leave us some more hate reviews. That doesn't help Jack 1135 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: Murphy's boarding over us, like some like we're feudal surfs. Um, 1136 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: let's see now. I just want to know how to 1137 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,640 Speaker 1: curiosity because I think those people are just intimidated by 1138 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: my beard. I think that's what it is. I have 1139 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,920 Speaker 1: to check. But anyway, we're always neck and neck with 1140 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders for whatever reason. And those five star reviews 1141 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,560 Speaker 1: really help. Like I said, I read them all and 1142 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: if they're you know, real suggestions, not that Jack Murphy is, 1143 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, the most elitist man on Earth. I uh, 1144 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,200 Speaker 1: it's not even correct, most elite man on Earth. Um, 1145 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, I I read them. I take them into account. 1146 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: I I appreciate you guys taking the time. Um now, 1147 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 1: just curious. Now who's ahead? So I'm gonna stall this 1148 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:09,680 Speaker 1: podcast to let you know. Uh, currently Bernie Shandon is 1149 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,160 Speaker 1: ahead of us. Not good, not good for socialism is winning. 1150 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:18,360 Speaker 1: Yet we've listened to that a review. 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