WEBVTT - Ep. 895: Project Punt Gun | 12 in '26 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.200 Welcome to the Mediater podcast. I'm Spencer new Art, joined 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.520 today by Seth Morris and Max Barta. Today's episode is 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.719 a little different. We are going to be talking all 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.080 about punt guns. If you're not aware, we bought one 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.480 a few years ago, then we shot it. We filmed 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:17.120 the whole process, and you can go watch that right 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.440 now on the meat Eater YouTube channel. This is our 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.759 fifth installment in the twelve and twenty six series that 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:27.120 we're doing this year. That's twelve long form films that 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.800 we're dropping in twenty twenty six. This film is probably 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.479 the most different of everything that you'll see on our channel. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:38.800 The other episodes have more traditional outdoor adventures where Yanni 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.240 does an archie bear hunt, Clay chases mountain lions with hounds. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.760 The only thing that we hunt in the punt gun 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.479 episode is clay, pigeons and watermelons, so very different. And 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.199 some balloons and some balloons and some paper targets and 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.600 some hats. Yeah, we'll talk about in a little bit. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.160 So this is a story, you know, about conservation and 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:01.520 a very badass gun. Today we are going to be 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.200 answering your questions about the punt gun. Although Steve and 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.759 I host the film. Max and Seth were there every 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.480 time we shot the thing, so they got real familiar 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.440 with it. And then Seth and Max even got to 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:18.520 shoot it. We had six shells with us. Steve and 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.800 I shot five of them. We had a sixth one. 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:22.520 We said what should we do with this thing? Should 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.760 we just throw it in the river? And then Max 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.480 and Seth they said no, no, no, let us shoot it. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.800 So they did. And so we have a piece of 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.880 the film here that didn't make the final cut. This 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:39.080 this is behind the behind Max and Seth shooting the 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:39.600 punt gun. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.960 Yeah, this is really bonded our friendship. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.720 I'll tee it up with this real quick. Sorry. We 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.000 only had one shell left, but two people who wanted 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.960 to shoot it. So they were going to pull the 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.440 rope together. That's how you fire the punt gun. You 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.280 pulled this rope that's like, I don't know, two feet long. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.520 And so they they were very kind and they pulled 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.080 the rope together. But I noticed something in the film 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:18.600 play it for us film. Seth brings back the hammer 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:27.640 he got that on it on Three's what I what 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.440 I wanted to bring up is Seth has his hand 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.639 on the rope, and then Max trumps him and reaches 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.560 in front of hand to get to grip further up 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.600 the rope, and then Seth says, hold on, and then 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:43.600 he reaches in front of Max's hand again. It was 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.560 just like a little that's right, they were doing a 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.600 totem pole of hands. Whoever got to be closer uh 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.919 to to the trigger? Who do you think actually shot it? 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.040 Which one you pulled the rope? 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.160 I felt like I had more than it. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.560 It felt pretty equal, even think so I was more 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:02.240 on your hand. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:03.959 Yeah, almost, hold. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.480 Phil, Can we see it again? Could you like really 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.799 slow it down. Let's get a good look at who 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.040 maybe and the film you help us decide? Here which 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.440 one of these two shot the punt guna Hamm's back. 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.920 Going to grab Max grabs in front of him. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.200 Yep, cute, And now. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.560 I had the majority. I had that little anger point. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.200 Okay, now we're gonna shoot it. Here we go. I 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:32.679 think both It looks pretty slacky. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.200 Yeah, that looks it looks like Seth. It looks like Seth. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.400 Jacket starts the motion first. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.040 Okay there, but then I felt like Max had a 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:46.119 more aggressive hole. We'll call it fifty to fifty. I'm 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:47.320 I'm going to. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.000 Say I've shot a punk gun, whether Seth Polden or not. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.960 Oh yeah, I was thinking about this. I think I 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.920 don't think there's ever been a punt gun in Montana 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.120 before this. Would you say, that's a pretty fair point. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.920 I mean, this is not punk gun country. These things 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.200 were used way east the Chesapeake Bay in Europe. That's 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.240 a good point, Max, If I had to guess if 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.880 one came through here, No, yeah, you know. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:12.360 Yeah. 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.600 We're gonna talk to Rock Island Auction later in the show. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.120 Those are the guys who sold us the gun that 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.480 are then going to resell it. All that money is 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.039 going to go back to the med Eater Land Access initiative. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.560 But leading up to us buying the punt gun, they 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.760 had mentioned that sellers will come to them and say, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:32.599 I have a punk gun that I want you guys 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.920 to sell. But in reality it's not a punk gun. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.440 It's what they would call to be a pigeon gun 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.920 or a fort gun. Now ours like hits the nail 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:43.880 on the head for the definition of a punk gun. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.880 I bet there they were obviously fort guns here at 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.560 some point, maybe some pigeon guns, even though I don't 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:51.480 think that was in Montana's culture either. But as far 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.240 as the only punt gun, that's a good point. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:53.560 Max. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.719 We're gonna call that the first punk gun, I would. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.240 Say, so unless there's some like private collectors, you know. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.520 Yeah, probably not though. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.960 Yeah. So on today's episode, we're going to answer your 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.279 questions and then we have that interview with Rock Island Auction. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.400 So those guys are the expert on old firearms that 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.040 we're gonna chat with them. That's gonna be a lot 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.160 of fun. Here's the first question. This is from Nick Sikowski. 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:22.919 He says, feels like ages ago when first discussed. Exactly 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.520 when was the first conversation about it? Nick is referring 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.279 to the punt gun. He's right, this has been a 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.200 long time coming for Nick. I tried to get us 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.680 the cleanest timeline of the punt gun leading up to 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.200 us buying it. The first time it was discussed it 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.440 was in December of twenty twenty one on an episode 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.280 of med Eater Trivia. Trivia was still in its infancy. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.360 It was so young, in fact, that the episode that 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.760 this happened on it was just called Game on Suckers. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.720 That episode didn't even have a number after it. For context, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:57.279 the episode that came out this week is CCXXII. That's 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.040 what is that, Max and Roman. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:00.440 Don't ask me, take. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:02.560 No clue. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.839 Two hundred and twenty two. I was gonna say, that's 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:06.800 two hundred and twenty two in real numerals. So the 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.080 episode we talked about this on didn't even have a 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.000 real ma numeral. It was literally the first episode that 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.280 said game on Suckers Now, Like, wasn't our technically our 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.680 first episode of meat Eatter trivia because there was a 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.279 period where we would do trivia and it was like 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:25.760 a kangaroo episode inside of a regular episode. This was 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.680 the first time we pulled that away and made its 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.080 own show. Anyway, just some background for you. What was 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.680 the question do you remember Phil's going to play it 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.120 for us again? This is that on that episode in 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.040 twenty twenty one clip Phil. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.839 Yeah, so Spencer for this question, Spencer, I actually showed 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.880 the room a picture of the punk guy that asked 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.280 what it was called. So here's the audio of the rest. 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.680 Oh the correct answer is the punt gun, oh Man. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.039 The average punt gun ranged from a two gauge to 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.279 a four gauge and could fire over a pound of 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.320 pellets at once. Wow. They are very rare and hard 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:00.960 to come by, though. I was able to find a 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.920 few in online auctions, ranging anywhere from four thousand dollars 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.159 to ten thousand dollars. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:05.880 You can buy one. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.039 You could buy one. Are you going to buy one? No? 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.520 I'm not seeing you like pony up five thousand bucks? Yeah? 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:13.680 On my how serious you were? 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:13.960 You know? 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.680 Yeah, because we could shoot it. I would love to 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:17.000 have that. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.160 That's the gents gun. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.880 That's the beginning of it. You know, Max knows this, 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.320 Seth knows this. If you want to get something done immediate, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.800 or you just need to get Steve excited. Yeah, so 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.440 as you can hear, Steve was excited about it. And 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:35.480 it didn't take long until like those sort of maybe 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.400 should we could we to Steve was like, yes, let's 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.800 let's get a punt gun. So here's the rest of 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.200 that timeline again. That was December twenty twenty one. January 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.880 twenty twenty two, I found some punt guns online. They 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.040 range in price from four thousand dollars to eight thousand dollars. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.840 I talked to one seller. He said that him and 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.680 his buddy shot theirs. They stood back to back, and 0:07:57.800 --> 0:07:59.880 what they did was they had one guy who stood 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.960 in front and he let the barrel rest on his shoulder, 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.120 and then the other guy stood behind him and he 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.800 sort of pressed the butt of the punt gun against 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.560 his shoulder, just like if you were shooting a regular shotgun. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.960 When they pulled the trigger, that guy said that his 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:15.800 buddy had his collar bone broken. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:18.160 Oh, just like an episode of Jackass. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.400 It's exactly like that. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.160 That sounds like a terrible idea. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.440 Yeah, bad idea. We didn't buy any of those punt guns. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:28.800 I think some of them floated closer to the category 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:32.920 of pigeon gun, which we'll learn about later. Just didn't 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.440 love any of those, so we didn't buy him. But again, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.440 this is the timeline of how it unfolded. February of 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.880 twenty twenty two. I found a five footer at an 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.680 antique mal in Wisconsin. I called them. They wanted fifty 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.080 five hundred dollars for it. The seller was unsure if 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.960 it would shoot, didn't want to change the price, and 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.640 that was an important thing to us. We wanted to 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.840 buy a punt gun that we thinked would work. And 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.600 so because we couldn't figure out if that one would 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.720 actually fire. We walked to way there. February twenty twenty two, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.320 someone reaches out to me with a hot tip that 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.720 Rock Island Auction has two of them coming up for 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.800 sale that summer. Again Rock Island, they're the biggest auction 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.200 house when it comes to historic guns. Here's some examples 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.000 of the guns that they have sold in the past. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:22.120 Han Solo's DL forty four heavy Blaster that sold for 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.880 one million dollars. They sold two Remington Revolvers that were 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.720 owned by Ulysses S. Grant. Those sold for five million dollars. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:33.120 And then they sold a Winchester eighteen eighty six with 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.520 the serial number one, so literally the first ever Winchester 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.640 eighteen eighty six that sold for one point two million dollars. 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:41.640 Just to give you an idea of like the kind 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.120 of guns that they traffic. That's who had two of 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.240 these punt guns for sale March of twenty twenty two. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.760 Here are some emails with Steve. Here was one where 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.600 he said, quote, as my dad always said, you can't 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.000 lose your ass on punt guns. I don't know if 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.800 Steve's dad actually said that, yeah, but I like, you know, 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.959 be like, as Abraham Lincoln said, you can't trust everything 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.959 you read on the internet. Like I feel like that's 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.600 what Steve was doing. But I'm just like trying to 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.160 give you more context of how excited Steve was about this. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.520 The next day he says, I can't wait to mount 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.920 it to a boat and set out some soda bottles 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.920 like ducks. Here's an email from a few weeks later, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.480 he says, we gotta buy the damned punt gun. We're 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.720 poised and ready. And then a week after that he 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.520 says this will change our lives, and then he put 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:32.880 in parentheses for the better. So Steve is now excited. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.320 And I ended up getting approved a budget here at 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.280 meat Eater of twenty thousand dollars to buy a punt gun. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.360 And as we talked about on that old podcast from December, 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.559 Steve was interested when it was like four to eight 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:48.480 thousand dollars. So some strong negotiating by me to get 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.360 us up to twenty thousand dollars. Okay, May of twenty 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:53.720 twenty two, this is the day of the auction again, 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.160 twenty thousand dollars budget, not a penny more. Rock Island 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.960 has two punt guns up for auction. First punt gun 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.720 this was the one. If I just got to pick, 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.719 like which one we were gonna have, I would want 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.040 the second one. That's the one we ended up getting. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.840 The first punk gun. It was a smaller model, less 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.080 prestigious brand. Rock Island estimated that it would sell for 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.520 between twelve thousand dollars and eighteen thousand dollars. I bid 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.600 up to our ceiling of twenty thousand dollars. Two bidders 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.199 blow right past me. The gun sells for twenty five thousand, 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.959 seven thousand, more than the high end estimate. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.760 I wonder what those people are doing with it, you know, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.200 like why do they want it so bad? 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.160 I don't know. I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask Rock 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.000 Island Auction later, like who is the buyer? What does 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:38.439 this person look like? What are they gonna do? 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.760 Because we have a reason, yeah, yeah, we goal. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.440 Yeah, and they're probably not gonna shoot theirs, you know, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.240 probably not. Yeah. So that was punk Gun number one, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.800 seven thousand dollars over its high end estimate. Second punk 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.600 gun this is the one that we want. It's much bigger, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.960 it's older, it's from a more prestigious brand that's Holland. 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:00.720 In Holland Rock Island estimated that one would sell were 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.320 between sixteen thousand and twenty two thousand, five hundred. So 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.400 if it follows the pattern is the last punk gun, 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.280 that means this one's gonna sell for thirty thousand. It's 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.439 basically me and one other bidder, and I assume that 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.959 this other person is the odd man out from the 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.160 last punt gun auction. They went back to back these 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.040 two auctions. Bidding goes fast. I quickly get to the 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.560 ceiling of twenty thousand dollars and then it just ends. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.240 The other guy doesn't go anymore, which I was kind 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:28.920 of shocked at at the time. I didn't think it 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.120 was going to work out, but it was a big 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.480 relief because that was the gun that we want. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.480 This guy went past twenty grand for the first punt gun. 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:38.960 I don't know. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.200 I don't know that it was him who was competing. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.400 I just assumed that he was the odd man out 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.080 who didn't win the smaller one for sure, and if 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.920 he would have went to twenty thousand dollars and one penny, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:52.800 I'd have been out, and he didn't do it. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:54.160 Come on no, you wouldn't. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:55.520 You would have pitched in of. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:56.720 Like your one hundred bit right. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.680 You know what I think I could have I could 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.920 have explained it away to later. I'd be like, Steve, 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.120 it was gonna get away. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.400 What do you want me to do? 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:03.720 You know? 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.920 Exactly? So that that is the origin, That is how 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.679 we got the punt gun back in May of twenty 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:13.000 twenty two. All right, next question here, this is from 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.600 outdoors Biggie. He says, what are the punt gun's stats? 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.200 All right, it was made by Holland and Holland in 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.640 eighteen eighty five, so that makes it one hundred and 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:24.839 forty years old. One hundred and forty one years old, 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.560 I think, uh, six years younger than the light bulb, 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.120 a decade older than the radio, and it's actually older 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.120 than the state of Montana. Just to give you some 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.840 context of like the technology that we're working with. This 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.240 would be the equivalent of someone taking a gun out 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.120 of Max's safe that he just bought today and then 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:48.160 shooting it in the year twenty one sixty six. You 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.000 can't even fathom, like, well, what's the world going to 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.120 look like in twenty one sixty six? I have no idea. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.760 But that'd be like if someone took Max's brand new 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.920 gun that he got today and then shooting it down. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.200 I was gonna say it hopefully like my kid's going 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.719 to be doing that, But I was like, oh no, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.600 I got to add a couple more gades. Maybe kids kids. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.880 Get you know, great kids, they'll be talking about how 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.720 you know, great great great grandpa Maxwell shot a punt 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:13.400 gun back in. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:17.079 The day old wow. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.240 Hopefully they'll still be able to look up the video 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.200 may it's right, yeah, who knows more stats. It's a 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.960 two gauge shotgun. If you listen to trivia, you know this. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.600 But when something is listed as a gauge, if you 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.160 have a twelve gage shotgun, that means you take twelve 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.000 balls that fit in twelve lead balls that fit in 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.240 the end of a twelve gauge barrel, and that equals 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.760 a pound. So that means that if you had two 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.640 lead balls that fit in the end of our barrel 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.240 of our punt gun, that would make one pound. That 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.440 that is like as big as a punk gun gets 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.080 seven and a half feet long. Sixty pounds. It's an 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.880 awkward sixty pounds though, Like this is always being carried 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.360 by a couple people around here. Nine and a quarter 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.640 inch shell. It's a original walnut stock, and then it 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.920 has a gray paint that Rock Island told this is 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.200 the original gray paint and it has about ninety five 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.600 percent of that left on it. So those are the 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.160 punt gun stats, all right, Chase Howard says, if you 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.160 can answer what's the overall cost per shot? We had 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.960 six shells, Max and Seth take a guess as to 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.160 each what each one of those shells costs? 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:23.720 Was in it? 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:23.920 Right? 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.360 It was filled with It was a little over half 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.720 a pound of number six bismuth, and the shells were 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.040 made of brass that I think was nickel plated. So 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.080 that's that's the what we're working with. And yet it 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.840 was a nine inch shell half a pound of number 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:42.120 six bismuth. What do you think that cost us forty 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:48.560 five bucks a pop for way way more? Take another guess. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.880 I'll give you some more context. The punt gun came 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.479 with one singular spench shell that seemed to be original 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.360 to the gun. Like that shell that came with the 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.880 gun was probably fired out of that gun. It was 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.200 made for that gun. You know, one hundred and forty 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.040 years ago. That's we had that thing to work off of. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.440 We had to pay a machinist an engineer to do 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.520 some cad drawings for us to figure out what the 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.840 best materials are ship this thing across the country, which 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.200 they didn't ship. They actually drove it over here personally 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.800 because it was like basically an explosive. At that point. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.040 We joked about this. I don't think it was ever 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.880 in the film, but like when you're handling one of these, 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.400 you're like, do not drop that? 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:31.800 Yeah, yeah for sure. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.000 Okay, so take another. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.640 Guess you said one. Wow, after all that, imagine if 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:38.680 it was TSS in there. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:44.080 Imagine like, what does a TSSHLL cost right now? Twenty bucks? 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.360 It's very around that fifteen buck yeah. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.440 Like two twenty. 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.440 One thousand dollars. It was one thousand and thirty two 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.240 dollars shell. Oh god, okay, so that's roughly here. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.360 Here's waste that much money on a shot. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:02.000 Yeah. 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.919 I don't think I didn't know it until Chase Howard 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.879 asked this question. I I was like, I don't know, 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.720 probably like, you know, two hundred bucks a shell. And 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.440 I went and looked up our invoice. It was four 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.760 hundred This is per shell, four hundred and seventy dollars 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:19.240 in materials, four hundred eighty dollars in fabrication and assembly, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.120 and then a five hundred dollars flat fee for doing 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.080 the cad work to make it all possible. So divided 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.199 by six, that's another eighty dollars per shell, for a 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.480 grand total of over one thousand dollars a shell. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:31.560 We're way off. 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:33.840 Yeah, but surely they didn't cost that much back then, 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:35.879 and when people were actually using punk. 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.720 I mean, I can't fathom. 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.639 That they did, just if you adjust for although my 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.600 bet it was expensive because a lot of a lot 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.560 of punk guns back then were loaded through the barrel 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.600 right like you drop down a scoopful of gunpowder and 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.080 then like a probably a cardboard wad, and then a 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.720 handful of pellets. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.399 Ours is breech loading, so it's loaded more like a 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.280 traditional shotgun. I bet those things were expensive to make 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:03.480 back then as well. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.359 I wonder if you get, if you get a flock 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.760 of ducks on the water, how many rounds of like 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.520 twelve gage bismuth would it take to kill the amount 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.280 of ducks one shot of the punt gun killed? 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.119 Good we'll never know. 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.959 Yeah, twenty thousand dollars punt gun, and then you know 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.399 it only takes twenty shells to equal the price of that. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:29.000 Now with our auction, when we auction this thing off 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.600 in August, you are getting one of the spent shells. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.960 Actually you're getting two. You're getting the OG one that 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.760 we based our modern ones off of, and then you're 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:40.560 getting one of those modern spent shells. That way, if 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.399 you want to shoot this thing, you can go have 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:47.040 your thousand dollars shells made as well. All right, eighty 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.639 six Spencer says, did you figure out approximately how big 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.520 the spread would be or it's lethal distance? Our first 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.720 shot was to determine exactly that. I think we wound up. 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.640 It was like an eight foot by eight foot spread 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.760 at thirty yards. If you were gonna shoot a twelve 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.119 gauge at thirty yards, max would like a thirty inch spread. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.040 Is that what you'd expect? Yeah, I mean, I know 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:12.160 there's a lot of factors and. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.720 Yeah, different chokes and stuff, but yeah, I mean you're probably, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.720 if not maybe like a forty. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.520 Inch okay, thirty or forty inch spread at thirty yards 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.560 or the twelve gauge, So we were like three or. 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.400 Four that's probably a pretty open choke probably, Yeah, So like. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.600