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Speaker 1: then they just don't fit or there you know, a

429
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Speaker 1: new coach comes in and he's not quote unquote their guy.

430
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Speaker 1: So UM, it'll be really interesting to see what happens

431
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,439
Speaker 1: in opening because I do think there's some good players

432
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,960
Speaker 1: there that maybe they're not getting the production out of

433
00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,680
Speaker 1: or falling out of favor or whatever the case might be. UM.

434
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Speaker 1: And you know, now there's a you know, a new

435
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Speaker 1: guy in charge of the roster, and to me, that

436
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 1: those are the times I would be looking if I

437
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,760
Speaker 1: was another team, I would be looking at that situation

438
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,919
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, you know, how can how can we

439
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,119
Speaker 1: get one of their guys? I mean, because they really

440
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,439
Speaker 1: look like they're influx a little bit out there. So

441
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 1: I think it's the situation that you could take advantage

442
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,440
Speaker 1: of if you're another team, you know, and thinking about

443
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 1: that this isn't a trade situation. But I don't know

444
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 1: if many people know that the Oakland Raiders can get

445
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 1: out of Derry Carr's deal at the end of the

446
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 1: season if they release him, uh by the third day

447
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 1: of the league year. Uh, they don't really have any

448
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 1: big money tied to him. I wonder if you could

449
00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 1: see a situation where John Gruten says, you know, maybe

450
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 1: I need to find my own quarterback and he can

451
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Speaker 1: do it with the ammunition that he may have accumulated

452
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 1: with the kilil macdel he could you know, you look

453
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,040
Speaker 1: at it, Bucky. He's the guy that wanted Super a

454
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,360
Speaker 1: Bowl with Brad Johnson and uh, you know, I've been

455
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,920
Speaker 1: a big supporter of A. J. Mccaren's over the years. Um,

456
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 1: I think he was when he's coming out of college,

457
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 1: coming out of college. I felt like he was a

458
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 1: guy you couldn't win with if you were good enough

459
00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: around him. Um, and I thought he did some good

460
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: things in Buffalo in the preseason. I was really surprised

461
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,719
Speaker 1: they traded him. Um. But maybe you know, if if

462
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 1: John thinks that he can win with a with a

463
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 1: guy like a j maybe they maybe they do make

464
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 1: a move like that and then draft a young one.

465
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I didn't know they could get

466
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,399
Speaker 1: out of that Derek Carr's situation that that's gonna shape

467
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 1: up to be a really interesting offseason in Oakland. So

468
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I understand why you say that, Nacaus.

469
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: You live down there in Alabama. I'm sure that gets

470
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Speaker 1: you a free meal at a local resort of AJ

471
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 1: mccaren like that. But I don't know why Bucky has

472
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 1: been on this. A. J. Mccaren one of my whenever

473
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: he's played, he's been fine. When he played for the

474
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 1: Beagles a couple of years ago, he was fine. The job, Yeah,

475
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,679
Speaker 1: the job could beat out Peter mell. I was a

476
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Speaker 1: loaded deal. And he get hurt. He heard up there,

477
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 1: and well he just needs a shot. He just needs

478
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: a shot, all right, let's get an next to some

479
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 1: college here. Where have you been on your travels? Man?

480
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: I know, uh, I see I got some of the

481
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Speaker 1: teams listed down here. I know you've had chance check

482
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 1: out the l s U so far this season. What

483
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: have you seen from some of those top guys. I

484
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: know we've got the seniors that you're focused on those

485
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 1: senior for the senior bull But man, I know they've

486
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 1: got some talent underclassmen as well. They do the the

487
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: linebacker report. He's a really good player. But did you

488
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: I gotta focus on these seniors, man, I gotta get

489
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: these guys. I gotta get these guys very you know, honestly, truly,

490
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm not spending too much time looking at these juniors.

491
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's been the nice part of the scouting

492
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: thing for me, is that, you know, it really narrows

493
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Speaker 1: your focus a little bit when you are just trying

494
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Speaker 1: to look at the elite seniors in the class. But

495
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Speaker 1: you know, to me, a guy, uh Foster Morow the

496
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Speaker 1: tight end is a really interesting player. To me, he's

497
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: a little bit um like will Definely. We drafted in

498
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Speaker 1: Seattle last year when I was there in the fourth round.

499
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Speaker 1: It you know, Will didn't catch a lot of balls,

500
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a big part of the past game up there,

501
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: and and really like I was at their Auburn game

502
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: and the only past day through Foster morow Is on

503
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: a fake punt. But when you watch this guy in pregame,

504
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 1: and he's really a sneaky athlete. He's got really soft hands,

505
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: he's a really he's one of the few tight ends

506
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Speaker 1: that can get on the line of screw and you

507
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: actually move people. Um, so that's a you know, that's

508
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: a dying grade skill set. So teams are gonna like Foster,

509
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 1: you know the back you got Rossette, who is you know,

510
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: bided his time behind guys and and Leonard Fournett. And

511
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Speaker 1: I'm not putting him in that class as a as

512
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Speaker 1: a runner, but he's a big tutor in he looks

513
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 1: like an NFL back. I mean, he's he's what NFL

514
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: teams are looking for. Um he's had a couple of

515
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: big games already this year, so he's an interesting guy.

516
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Speaker 1: So really, those would be the top two guys out

517
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Speaker 1: of LSU right now. You know, it's funny. I'm gonna

518
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Speaker 1: go a little further down the list. I'm looking at

519
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Speaker 1: Mississippi State, and I had a chance to check them

520
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: out on Saturday. Those defensive linement they have and particularly Mantes.

521
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: We had a big game. What have you seen from

522
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Speaker 1: him when you looked at uh the the guys done

523
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: Misssippi State. Yeah, I saw them played two weeks ago

524
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: against Florida and uh no, Buck, you're you're, you're, you're

525
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: nailing it. Sweats really legit. He's uh, you know, he's

526
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Speaker 1: six five, he's extremely long. I don't know what his

527
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: arms ended up measuring, but they've got to be close

528
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: to thirty five. He's in, he's twitchy, he uses let

529
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: he uses that length really well. Um. You know, he's

530
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: had some big time pass rush production for him. Um

531
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Speaker 1: last year he led the SEC in sacks and he's

532
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: one of the he can win one on one. He's

533
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: not one of these guys that needs to be scheme

534
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. He can win off the edge.

535
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: He's got some power in his hands. Um, he plays hard.

536
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: He can really run. I mean, this guy can really

537
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: cover ground. It's gonna be interesting to see what he

538
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: runs his forty because when he gets out chasing, he

539
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: can really cover ground. He's an interesting dude, Um, you

540
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: know the junior Uh, Jeffrey Simmons is a you know,

541
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: a top fifth teen type player. He's a hard guy

542
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: not to watch when you watch Mississippi State tape. I mean,

543
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons just so instinctive you can't move him. Really

544
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: productive inside players, So without even focus, you guys, know,

545
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: like when you're not focused on just kind of go

546
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: keep going back to a guy like you know he's

547
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: stud So, um, he's a really good player. And then

548
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: on that defense, guys, got it really sticks out to

549
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: me is a safety Jonathan Abram. Um, you know he'd

550
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: be he'd be a really cool guy to have down

551
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: here in Mobile because he flies around. I mean, this

552
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: guy's play style to me, if you ever describe a

553
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: guy as violent, I mean, that's the guy that I'm

554
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna want in this game because he he runs and hits.

555
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: He's got that skill set NFL teams are looking for

556
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: because at the very least, if he's not gonna come

557
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: in and be a starter right away, Um, and I

558
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: think he could down the line, he's going to be

559
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: a great special teams player for you. So um, those

560
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: two guys are really interesting off that defense a couple

561
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks you've seen. You've been out there. You've seen

562
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Speaker 1: Jared stead Of, you seen Drew Lock, Stidh A man,

563
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: I don't know what they have up front in the

564
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: offensive line this year, but uh, you know from what

565
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: you saw from Stidham what stood out? And how about

566
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: Drew Lock? Yeah, you know, I really I've I've seen

567
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: Auburn's place. Why now, I saw him play Washington and

568
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: they look pretty good. I saw him play l s U.

569
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: They got they were up ten, they got real conservative.

570
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: I hate to question coaches because I grew up my

571
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: dad was a coach. I don't like to do that.

572
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: But if I had, Jared said him might be throwing

573
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: the ball around forty times a game with this kid,

574
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a really natural thrower. They've

575
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: got speed on the outside. They got two kids, Slate

576
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: and the junior who Darius Slate and he's actually eligible

577
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: to play in the Senior Bowl because he'll be a

578
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 1: graduate in December. Uh. And then they've got a young freshman.

579
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: Both those guys run four or three um and you're

580
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: not seeing those You're not seeing Auburn attack down the

581
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: field very much this year. So to me, I would

582
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: lets set him merit out. He can throw it to

583
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: all three levels. I've seen him do it. Um. I

584
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 1: just think they need to They need to, Um. They're

585
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: trying to force feed the run a little bit. You

586
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: know that Guss likes to be a run, run heavy team.

587
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have I don't know if

588
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: they have the back this year to do it. Um,

589
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: But if I were them, I'd start airing and out

590
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: with Stidding more because he really he's effortless throwing the football.

591
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, DJ, you in the position, you'll

592
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate watching this control the ball because it's just

593
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: so natural for him. And then um, Drew locked this

594
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: week in South Carolina really was a little a bit

595
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: of a difficult evaluation because that monsoon hit at half

596
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: time and it was man, it was hard to get

597
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: to the car at the end of the third quarter.

598
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: Leaving that game. You guys know, scouts like to leave

599
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: a little early so we don't cross. But I was

600
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: leaving in the middle of that monsoon. But no, you know,

601
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: Drew's got a ton of arm talent. I was talking

602
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: to a buddy this week and he threw out the

603
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: Jake Cutler comparison, and uh, you know that kind of

604
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean Drew can make all the throws.

605
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: The problem is in that offense. Um, it's really there's

606
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: not as you guys know that there's not a lot

607
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: of apples to Apple's comparisons with that offense. I mean

608
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: they're still doing. I know they brought in Derek Dooley.

609
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of pro style concept. It's

610
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: a lot of just you know, pitch and catch stuff

611
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: for him so he can make all the throwers. The

612
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: armed talent is is awesome, um, but it was hard

613
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: for me to get a great feel off that live

614
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: look other than just watching them throw at field level,

615
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: um and seeing the arm, which which is impressive. You know,

616
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: for those that might be sorry, Buck, I was gonna

617
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: say real quick just just for those who don't know, Jim,

618
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: what goes into it and your job you have right

619
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: now run a Senior Bowl in terms of just kind

620
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: of putting your board together and the process that you

621
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: go through as you're trying to figure out who who's

622
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: worthy of this invitation to the Senior Bowl. Yeah, so

623
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: we we we created a board this year. UM for me,

624
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: like even right now, I'm just staring at it. So

625
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: it helps me when when I when I do when

626
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: I do things like this, or when I'm talking to

627
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: agents during the week, it gives me a visual on

628
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: where we've got guys. But UM, what we're doing, I've

629
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: got for scouts helping me out. You guys know, all

630
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: for the guys works for me. Um, they've worked in

631
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: the league for sixty nine years combined experience, and and

632
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: they're going out to games every weekend. And then the

633
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: teams they see every week, they're watching the tape on

634
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: and they're filing reports. So when I get the grades in, well,

635
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: that's how we're building our board as we go. UM.

636
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: It's really cool to see its shaping up because numbers wise,

637
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: it looks like we're gonna be good at at UH

638
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: at every spot so far, and you know, we've probably

639
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: got half the country we haven't seen. UM, so to

640
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: be this early in the process, first week in October

641
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: and haven't looked away, it looks UM, I'm pretty excited

642
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: about it. You know. It's funny because dj uh to

643
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: my question when it came to the big board or whatever, UM,

644
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: the question I was going to ask you had to

645
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: deal with, like the challenge that maybe we have on

646
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: the media side. How different is it to go from

647
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: stacking a board for a team versus stacking a board

648
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: when you don't have a specific team in mind, Meaning

649
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: when you had a team, you knew specifically what you

650
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: were looking for at each position. How have you been

651
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: able to shift your mind when it comes to the

652
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl when you're stacking guys and ranking them and

653
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: the horizontal board and also the vertical board. Yeah, Bucky,

654
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: that's a that's a great question. Um, you know, it

655
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: is different. It's different not being a team specific or

656
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: scheme specific, but what what we're really trying to focus on,

657
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: especially at certain positions, UM's versatility. So you know, we

658
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: can't bring just like most teams. I mean, you don't

659
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: want to build a roster with with offensive linemen that

660
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: don't have any position flexibility. But you know, we're looking

661
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: at guys who can play garden center. We look at

662
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: guys can play you know, some tackling guard the other

663
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: side of the ball. You know, we're looking at linebackers

664
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: that can play inside and outside, um, you know, and

665
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: edge players that can maybe play outside backers. So again

666
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: we're trying to identify. I think part of the role

667
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: of the Senior Bowl and the value we have to

668
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: the league is trying to help teams figure some of

669
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: these guys out. You know, I've been on the phone

670
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: with some friends recently and uh, you can hear the

671
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: sirens in the background, and something's going on down here

672
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: in Mobile right now. But but they were just at

673
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: just a police presence, Jim, it's just a police presence

674
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: in case you say anything bad about an Alabama player

675
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: a J. McCarron specifically. Just cut you off right there. Hey,

676
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: that's no joke. Um, we get defensive down here, the

677
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: of the side players. But no, you know, I gotta

678
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: be mindful of the fact that, I mean, there's certain

679
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: players around the country, um, and I don't want to

680
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: say their names because it puts their coaching in a

681
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: questionable bit. But um, you know, scouts are like, you know,

682
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: he doesn't really fit for what they do, and I

683
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: don't think they're using him, right. So those are the

684
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: kind of players that if they're if they're talented enough,

685
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: we'd love to bring down here to let the league

686
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: figure those guys out. Um. So that's really what you know,

687
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: the the nice thing, Bucky is to make sure we

688
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: have them at the great right grade level. The actual

689
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: stack isn't as important other than when we're getting down

690
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: to the cut lines between the grade levels. And that's

691
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: why we're gonna have to get the scouts on a

692
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: conference call. We're gonna have to talk through some of

693
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: these guys and and you know, if we're trying to

694
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: decide if we you know, typically I've got the average

695
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: of every position in the UM, you know, going back

696
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: over the last ten years, so on average, we've brought

697
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: twenty offensive linemen down here. So when we're talking about

698
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: the eighteen nineteen one, those are the conversations where it's

699
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna be tricky. Um, Like wide receivers it's thirteen point six,

700
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: So when we get to eleven, twelve, thirteen fourteen at

701
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: wide out, those will be the hard conversations and um

702
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: because you know, and that's gonna be my role is

703
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: these guys are out in the country, they're seeing everybody.

704
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to look at that cut line basically

705
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: and figure out where those guys stack in that stack.

706
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: So it's a long winded answer, but that's kind of

707
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: it is a different process. Last question for me next,

708
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: will let you run here, UM, what we've seen. Let's

709
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: go back to the NFL here real quick. Just from

710
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: you being out last year, UM and seeing seeing these

711
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: guys out in person, any any surprise at all at

712
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: the success of guys like Derwin James and Darius Leonard

713
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: very early on in their NFL careers. Well, I can

714
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: speak to those two guys in particular. UM, Derwin James, No, UM,

715
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: no surprise there. I thought you was an elite athlete. UM.

716
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: You know, again, when you scout sometimes you always got

717
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: to be mindful of the environment you're scouting in. And

718
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: last year, that culture and Florida State it was not

719
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: very good. Um. And I went in there in September, October,

720
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: and November, and by the time I went in November,

721
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: it had really gone south. I Mean, they didn't have

722
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: a lot of leadership in the locker room, and it

723
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: just it just didn't feel right in that building. And

724
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: sometimes that can carry over into that can bleed into

725
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: the whole team. Um. You know, but Derwin had showed

726
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: enough on tape over time, and you knew what kind

727
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: of athlete he was. This doesn't surprise me at all.

728
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: I thought he was of the of the players I

729
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: saw last year. He was probably in the top four

730
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: or five guys. Um I graded Darius Leonards been. Darius

731
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: Leonard's been a little bit of a surprise for me

732
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: because you loved his length, you loved his athleticism. I

733
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: can speak for myself. I was a little a little

734
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: gun shy about the lack of physicality in his play. Um.

735
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: And again, I know he's putting up a bunch of

736
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: tackle numbers. I haven't had a chance to look at

737
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: the tape. I mean, you got you guys both know.

738
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes guys are making tackles downfield or they're making tackles

739
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: in coverage, So I don't know where he's making all

740
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: those tackles. Um. But I did really like the athlete.

741
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I like the length. But if he's playing downhill and

742
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: actually being a factor against the run, then, uh, that

743
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: would surprise me because I was I was a little

744
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: gun shot on the on that part of his game.

745
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Well four four of his tackles nags have taken place

746
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage because they were sacks. Um.

747
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: He's he's been. Uh, he's been. He's been really good.

748
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: And to me, like I I always I don't know

749
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: if you do this, And I know I said his

750
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: last question, but I'll hit you with this one as well. Um.

751
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about the importance of self grade

752
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: and going back and looking at evaluations and we play

753
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: a little game hits and mrs guys you've got right,

754
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: guys you've got wrong, and trying to learn lessons. And

755
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: for me, like one of the lessons maybe about five

756
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: years ago, as we saw those undersized LSU linebackers come

757
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: in the league and have tremendous success at the linebacker

758
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: position in the NFL right now, Man, it is runcovering blitz.

759
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: If you can run covering blitz, like I became more

760
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: forgiving of the guys we used to try and find

761
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: when I was in Baltimore, Downhill take on guys physicality

762
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: like that. That kind of has kind of gone away

763
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: a little bit in the NFL. Yeah, And you're right,

764
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: you really is. It's so valuable to go back and

765
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: look at your missus. I mean, everyone can you know,

766
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: pump their chest about guys that got right, But I

767
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: mean you learn more from your missus for sure. But yeah,

768
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: you're right, and that's why that's the value and that's

769
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: the hard part being a college scout. As you guys know,

770
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: you get wrapped up in the college thing and you're

771
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: watching college tape all the time. Sometimes you do lose

772
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: a little perspective on what's playing in the league. And

773
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: that's why I think when young scouts are getting into it,

774
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: I think the good teams make their college guys watch

775
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: them pro tape, not necessarily just you know, as part

776
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: of the pro pro project in terms of um, you know,

777
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: preseason stuff. But you really got to stay currently as

778
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: long as you're watching your team and you're seeing what's playing,

779
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: and that you know, you're seeing what's playing around the

780
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: league and the style that's playing. That's that's really important

781
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: with the projection part of it. I'm I'm with you

782
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: that that's been uh because I when I worked in

783
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: New England with similar system that you had in Baltimore,

784
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: and you're looking for those downhill thumper you know, Ted,

785
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: Ted Johnson and Jamie Sharp the guys, and and uh,

786
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: they just don't make those guys anymore, no question, Buck Buck,

787
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: I'll give you one more than we'll letting eggs run well. No,

788
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: I thought you have a big weekend coming up, and

789
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: talk about Wisconsin and Michigan. Who are some of the

790
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: guys that you may have your eye on. Yeah, there's

791
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: a there's a few guys. I really want to see

792
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: this Wisconsin team because I haven't seen them at all.

793
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: And on the Michigan side, Uh, the running back Coron

794
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: Higden is a good player. You know that, as you

795
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: guys know this is that's usually a position for us

796
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: as the Senior Bowl. That's a little difficult to stock

797
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: because a lot of the big, big time running backs

798
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: come out as juniors. Um, but Crons Higden's a really

799
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: good player. Uh. They've got a tight end, Zach Gentry,

800
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: who had seven catches for over a hundred yards last week.

801
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: So he's talking to some guys around the country. They're

802
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: starting to be really enamored with Zach because he's a

803
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: legit six seven six eight, big big target in the

804
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: past game. And then Wisconsin, I mean I've gotten calls

805
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: on their fullback. They've got three linebackers. I'm hearing a

806
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: lot about this band Ginkl kid at linebacker who really

807
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: compares to Chase Win a bitch. At Michigan. They're both

808
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: high motor edge players that get after the quarterback and

809
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: and and you know, um just really high motor dude.

810
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: So those are some of the guys I'm looking at.

811
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: It's gonna be. It's gonna be one of those games,

812
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: guys where pre game you're gonna be busy. You're gonna

813
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: be running from one side of the field down to

814
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: the other, trying to you know, take your notes and

815
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: and see you guys move around. So it's gonna be.

816
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: It will be busy during pre game for sure. Might

817
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,439
Speaker 1: get those body types. Hey, Nags, we appreciate you, man,

818
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: appreciate you having you all. We're gonna keep doing this

819
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: throughout the fall. It's man, I just love talking football

820
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: with you and um, just the experience you bring to

821
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: the table. And I'm we're excited for you in a

822
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: new role here. Appreciate a guy, Buck, He's always a

823
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: very insightful there. I had to. I had to give

824
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: Nags a little bit of a hard time there with

825
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: a J mccarren, as I do with you, that's kind

826
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: of my it's my thing there. But he man, it

827
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: was fun, fun conversation talks some NFL as well as uh,

828
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: it's his role there with a recent Senior Bowl and

829
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: trying to find the best senior football players in the country. Yeah,

830
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: I think this conversation about the big ward was fascinating

831
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: because I always wonder how when people transition from working

832
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: for a team to either work for the media or

833
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: working elsewhere, how they go about kind of grading for

834
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: I guess what we call it the league as opposed

835
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: to grade and four team. He explained in the outstanding terms. Yeah,

836
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: good chat, They're fun podcast today, A lot of ground covered.

837
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: Looking forward to our next pot where we get our

838
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: our college picks. Man, I need a rebound buck rough

839
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: week for me last week, but I feel I feel

840
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: good week coming on me both. Brother, my goodness, I

841
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: didn't even see what I finished. I know I wasn't

842
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: winning a lot of games, but it is what it is.

843
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 1: We go on. This is the week. This is where

844
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: I feel an unbeaten week. I mean we all did.

845
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Uh can't storm into the lead. He went nine in two,

846
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: d J and I went five and six, and Bucky

847
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: with the three and eight weeks, So yeah, time to

848
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 1: step up. Yeah, I know it was a lot of loss.

849
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: I gotta get better, man, I gotta get better. All right,

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