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Speaker 4: So the right Connor Stallions, he's on his he's on
Speaker 4: a flight here right now.
Speaker 3: As we are as we're speaking. And the guy you
Speaker 3: know where he was yesterday, Seattle, Washington. Yeah, because he
Speaker 3: went to the Michigan game. Of course, the flying to
Speaker 3: Chicago was going to drive back up to Michigan, but
Speaker 3: instead is making a quick pit stop in Nashville, Tennessee,
Speaker 3: and he's going to fly back to Chicago to day
Speaker 3: to drive back to and.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know if it's an opera, but Michigan.
Speaker 1: The guy's a stud.
Speaker 4: Dude, he's he's he's a one of a kind. And
Speaker 4: I am so excited. I think this is his first
Speaker 4: like long form interview since everything.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and here are the boys? Do we want
Speaker 3: to tell him? A couple of ball players, A couple
Speaker 3: of ball players, guys some sign Steelers on the field.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, did you watch documentary? I did. I just
Speaker 4: saw clips. So in the document he did whatever he
Speaker 4: could for his for his university, which you got to respect.
Speaker 3: I'll let him speak on that. I'll absolutely let him
Speaker 3: speak on that however he wants to word it. There
Speaker 3: is a part in the documentary with the student named
Speaker 3: Brohio is like another super fan of Ohio State, and
Speaker 3: he's like being interviewed with a mask on and glasses
Speaker 3: and a hat and he's basically was one of the
Speaker 3: guys that was like infiltrating Michigan and finding all the
Speaker 3: articles and all the things to help take down Michigan
Speaker 3: during the stuff, and you can just tell bro as
Speaker 3: salty as fuck about how much Connor got exposure. Is
Speaker 3: like this guy all he cares about his attention, all
Speaker 3: he cares about this. There's another guy, Tony something from
Speaker 3: Detroit Free Press. Tony I don't know, but I looked
Speaker 3: him up after I watched the show, and the guy's
Speaker 3: like a very negative anti anti Michigan during the documentary.
Speaker 3: Guy graduated from Michigan State. So there's like you can
Speaker 3: just it's just different. It's just different than Big ten Man.
Speaker 1: That's not him. That's not him.
Speaker 4: He's not somebody like to me, the cat who said
Speaker 4: it was his name, Brohio, Brohio. He's just doing it
Speaker 4: for attention, like it's It's not like Connor Stallion started
Speaker 4: this whole thing, the manifesto, and thought the end game
Speaker 4: was getting Netflix documentary, right, the endgame was a national championship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he wont he wanted to win.
Speaker 3: Right, And it's incredible to I mean, we'll obviously dive
Speaker 3: more into it with him, but at some point in
Speaker 3: that documentary, he's talking about how Michigan is about to
Speaker 3: get all these sanctions put on him, and he basically
Speaker 3: was like, I don't want anything to happen to Michigan.
Speaker 3: So he essentially told his lawyer like, tell him it
Speaker 3: was all me.
Speaker 4: Tell him I did.
Speaker 1: Everything in a true marine fashion.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I can't wait. I want to learn about
Speaker 4: the details of the manifesto, how it grew over time. Like,
Speaker 4: I mean, the dude is a he's a wizard. He's
Speaker 4: a wizard on the scouting reports, and they've got to
Speaker 4: memorize a lot of shit. I want to know all
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: And there is apparently some underground sign stealer group where
Speaker 3: more teams than not actually have this going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, Connor Stallions is like the Lance Armstrong of science stealing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like you.
Speaker 1: Get popped, you get caught all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And then you learn later on that everybody tries to
Speaker 4: do it. I mean, every team tries. Everybody is trying
Speaker 4: to get a manage possible to win.
Speaker 3: And so it's really it's it's such an interesting interviewer
Speaker 3: we're about to have because there's literally a pending investigation
Speaker 3: going on right now. So for him to be able
Speaker 3: to sit down with us and give us the information,
Speaker 3: he is like it's.
Speaker 4: Wild and so we'll just boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is the boy the boys, and I got
Speaker 3: I got on the phone with him because we for
Speaker 3: those of you that don't know, we're doing Busting with
Speaker 3: the Boys a little bit differently this year. We're starting
Speaker 3: we're keeping guests throughout the year as opposed to doing zooms.
Speaker 3: So October eighth was one of those kind of glad
Speaker 3: we don't have a guest here.
Speaker 1: Literally, was it.
Speaker 4: Friday when I text you? On Saturday?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Friday, I text you.
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I'm gonna try to get Connor.
Speaker 3: I got on the phone with him and I was like, hey,
Speaker 3: I know this whole stuff's going on, but like.
Speaker 4: How can we get you to Nationville moment right?
Speaker 3: And He's like, yeah, I'll come for sure. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: you gotta make sure my lawyers get with it. I
Speaker 3: was like, just tell your lawyer, tell us what what
Speaker 3: not to talk about. That conversation with his lawyer still
Speaker 3: has not happened. He's still coming no matter what because
Speaker 3: he's for the boys, dude, he really is. And it's
Speaker 3: interesting he said he d m me a photo. I
Speaker 3: don't know, like few months ago of when I was
Speaker 3: at Michigan and he and it's a photo of me
Speaker 3: and him, and he's wearing like a Michigan flag, like
Speaker 3: one of those crazy Michigan fan things. This is when
Speaker 3: he was like fifteen, sixteen years old. He came out
Speaker 3: of the womb, ready to be a mission ready ready.
Speaker 3: And if you see, like literally for Halloween one year,
Speaker 3: he was a Michigan coach. That's that's like he is
Speaker 3: one hundred.
Speaker 4: Was this one hardball? Assuming he was doing Halloween still
Speaker 4: like dressing up as a Michigan coach like in his twenties.
Speaker 4: However old he.
Speaker 3: Is maybe maybe no kids just dressed up he is.
Speaker 3: I think he was born in ninety five, so he's
Speaker 3: four years younger than me.
Speaker 1: He's twenty nine, okay, twenty nine to bad.
Speaker 4: He couldn't help the boys out on Saturday. I know,
Speaker 4: I tell you, I tell you what I just I
Speaker 4: look around the bus. Everybody's team kind of lost, Like, yeah, Mitch,
Speaker 4: I guess he's an Ohio State fan. Sure, he's where'd
Speaker 4: you go on the weekend? One in five and five,
Speaker 4: two and five? Apparently he's claiming the Texas Longhorns. Now
Speaker 4: he's like my wife went there, so it's crazy. He's
Speaker 4: hooked him. He's hook them all day.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 4: How are you a fan of I love their jerseys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't give you West Virginia bro.
Speaker 4: I was watching them when Pat White was there. Everybody watch.
Speaker 1: You played the video game? Oh yeah all the time.
Speaker 4: So I consider myself Pat McAfee, Oh yeah, Pat mc
Speaker 4: all West Virginia fans apparently Smith but go ahead, will
Speaker 4: talk about how we're all losers and you're not. I know,
Speaker 4: I know Nebraska did win, and I'm excited about that.
Speaker 4: I did hate seeing everybody's team lose. It's kind of
Speaker 4: like a weird. I'm used to feeling like the loser
Speaker 4: of the entire group, and it's like I'm the yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: JP is well. I didn't want to just throw a
Speaker 4: random straight at you like South Carolina has been. They've
Speaker 4: been in the dumps for a while as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it does.
Speaker 4: It feels good to unset and undefeated Rutgers team. We
Speaker 4: played our worst football not defense. Defense played incredible, but
Speaker 4: we had two blocked punts, which two block punts can't
Speaker 4: have that number one, but we had two block punts.
Speaker 4: It was it was Raila's probably worst game of his
Speaker 4: season so far, and the boys the Black Shirt showed
Speaker 4: up in incredible fashion. We did we we eked out
Speaker 4: or win. I hated that rule didn't try to at
Speaker 4: least drive they were an enemy territory and at least
Speaker 4: get a field goal to cover. It was ultimately a
Speaker 4: push because I got him at minus seven. I know
Speaker 4: some people got him a minus six and a half.
Speaker 4: Should have paid for that little what do they called
Speaker 4: a hook? Should have paid, should have pay for the hook.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it does. It feels good. It feels good
Speaker 4: to be a winner, the sole winner on the bus.
Speaker 4: I you know, I hate, I hated for everybody else
Speaker 4: and to lose in the fashion like I mean, Vanderbilt,
Speaker 4: we're talking what Music City miracle two point zero? That
Speaker 4: was insane that Vandy. Should we start there, Vandy upsetting
Speaker 4: Alabama because getting we're on a bye week. We're back
Speaker 4: where we're four to one, five and one, we're on
Speaker 4: a bye week. We go to Indiana. That's gonna be
Speaker 4: a very tough game for us because Indiana is a
Speaker 4: good team. But we have a bye this week. But
Speaker 4: if I can start deflecting and get it off of myself,
Speaker 4: the spotlight off of myself and we can talk about
Speaker 4: this young man right here with Pavia. Yeah, they kid
Speaker 4: of him.
Speaker 3: I believe New Mexico State last year and just this
Speaker 3: guy is every bit of a psycho. And I mean
Speaker 3: that in the best way possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Literally, there was a news article that came out where
Speaker 3: they were playing one of their rivals at New Mexico State,
Speaker 3: might be New Mexico. Who knows that's I don't follow them,
Speaker 3: but apparently in the middle of the night on an
Speaker 3: away game, went to their fifty yard line and pissed
Speaker 3: on their field Like this, that's the that's the kind
Speaker 3: of operation this kid's dealing with. Like he this kid,
Speaker 3: and I'm not taking a shot, Like he's not an
Speaker 3: NFL guy right, Like he's We're not looking at him
Speaker 3: as like a first round pick type of guy. Just
Speaker 3: a true official, true college legend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a football player who saw Alabama and there's
Speaker 4: no fear in his mind. He no fear like he
Speaker 4: was gonna go out there.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of plays in that game where he
Speaker 3: goes runs the sideline three or four yard game, gets
Speaker 3: hit out out of bounds, slips and falls, gets up
Speaker 3: he's running the DB's face losing his fucking mind about it. Now,
Speaker 3: he's not like a throw it down the field type
Speaker 3: of guy. Who is the head coach FORANDI. Well, it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter whoever the OC is. The creativity they have
Speaker 3: on offense is incredible. There's one play in particularly they
Speaker 3: clerk Lee. Shout out clerk Lee because they had early
Speaker 3: in the game they did a your classic option pitch
Speaker 3: play and they caught the edge and they end up
Speaker 3: getting a bigger gain on that, which is like twelve
Speaker 3: fifteen yards later in the game when it counted the most.
Speaker 3: I believe it was the end of the third quarter.
Speaker 4: They're in like.
Speaker 3: They're trying to obviously take all the clock they possibly can.
Speaker 3: They go when they showed the same option, but they
Speaker 3: turn into a shovel pass, so you have the whole
Speaker 3: defense going east and west, and as he's about to
Speaker 3: pitch it, throws it the other way. Kid takes it
Speaker 3: and has an explosive play there.
Speaker 1: So they're used.
Speaker 3: They're utilizing this kid's creativity because you saw it against
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. When they're the game is really on the line,
Speaker 3: he's like running.
Speaker 1: And he just yeah, just do it. He's running there
Speaker 1: or just throwing dishing it.
Speaker 4: Off the track.
Speaker 3: And these Vanderbilt boys, man, these band of fucking misfits,
Speaker 3: these outliers in the SEC where Nick Saban has gone
Speaker 3: on a record. Everywhere in the SEC is hard to
Speaker 3: play it except for Vanderbilt. Just drug through the mud
Speaker 3: twenty four to seven, treated like shit, and they're in
Speaker 3: an amazing city where they don't have a whole lot
Speaker 3: of recruits. They have guys that just decide, Hey, I'm
Speaker 3: not good enough here, so I'm gonna go to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 3: And I'm smart enough to go to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: These fucking kids just unseated.
Speaker 3: The one seed and I'm I'm I'm. I keep catching
Speaker 3: eyes with g and geez Are geez are Alabama, and
Speaker 3: I in no way am I trying to take away
Speaker 3: from you or any of this, because we've done that
Speaker 3: last year and I'm not trying to do that. I'm
Speaker 3: just like, I feel I'm excited for Vanderbilt. Man, Like
Speaker 3: they just did a historical that they've never done at
Speaker 3: that school. It will be etched, they told us in June.
Speaker 3: We did a dude cannon promotion with them, and they're like,
Speaker 3: bro they're sleeping on us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking they were, like that's what they all say.
Speaker 1: A kid.
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, boy, the world year.
Speaker 3: Yes, you had these white offensive linemen and they are
Speaker 3: talking way different. I'm like, you don't need to talk
Speaker 3: like that. I'm thinking to myself, these dudes are out
Speaker 3: of their fucking minds. But they pulled it off, man,
Speaker 3: and they pulled it off and started with Virginia Tech yea.
Speaker 3: And now they've they got three wins. They've already beat
Speaker 3: their win total that Vegas said for the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: First time in school history, program history, defeating the one seed.
Speaker 4: First time they've beat Alabama since September of nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 4: and that was in Tuscaloosa. When's the last time they
Speaker 4: beat Alabama at home? Like the twenties nineteen just before
Speaker 4: the depression.
Speaker 1: That game was filmed in black and white, the last time.
Speaker 4: That is one of the biggest upsets in college football history.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess maybe the big is that the
Speaker 4: Vegast It's probably mich was Michigan one, though I don't
Speaker 4: know if Michigan were like ten though we were ten.
Speaker 3: They were a one double a school, right, But kind
Speaker 3: of has a little resume of doing that to people. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're solid and I think they are d one now,
Speaker 3: but still like and to go even more like shitting
Speaker 3: on Michigan, Like, Vanderbilt is still in the SEC, it's
Speaker 3: still a conference game. They still play these teams every
Speaker 3: single year.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just wild man.
Speaker 3: The question I have for the chat is who is
Speaker 3: a more famous Vanderbilt quarterback, Pavia or.
Speaker 1: Jay Cutler At this point, I Pavi, you.
Speaker 4: Might have to go Pavia.
Speaker 1: This kid might have a fucking statue.
Speaker 3: It might be made out of you know, foam, but
Speaker 3: for good, I don't know what what Vanderbilt's budget.
Speaker 4: Looks like some money.
Speaker 1: They got some money, They got some money.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, bro, this kid might be the
Speaker 3: most famous player ever in Vanderbilt history.
Speaker 4: At this point, Jay Cutler will have like the more
Speaker 4: decorated career because obviously he's the first round pick NFL
Speaker 4: and everything else. But as far as like etched in
Speaker 4: stone forever, Pavia is going to be the guy. The
Speaker 4: guy because they're gonna be you know, they're gonna build
Speaker 4: their recruiting around that. It's like something that's like yo,
Speaker 4: what was it like the night where two goal posts
Speaker 4: marched down through Broadway multiple miles into the river, right
Speaker 4: like Jack, Tennessee, when you all beat Alabama and you
Speaker 4: guys did you guys started the goalpost thing?
Speaker 3: How far is the goalpost from Neeland Stadium to the river?
Speaker 5: It's right next door, right next door. But we took
Speaker 5: it to the strip, which is about a mile and
Speaker 5: a half.
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a lot of effort both ways.
Speaker 5: The fact that they took it from Vanderbilt Station to
Speaker 5: the Cumberland I think it's like three point one miles
Speaker 5: and then they broke through the police barricade on Broadway.
Speaker 5: That that shows grit you think of anythink nerds. Unfortunately,
Speaker 5: that's just the case. Those kids changed the narrative this weekend.
Speaker 5: They might be nerds, but they got fucking heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got grit. They're gritty nerds. They have maybe
Speaker 3: the most dangerous kind of human. They have a core
Speaker 3: memory forever. Look at this kid on the goalpost. That's
Speaker 3: your profile picture of the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: You see that in the far right. Yeah, Tennessee.
Speaker 5: He's like, fuck yeah, Bama laws, We're still undefeated. And
Speaker 5: then he went to Broadway and got his heartbroken.
Speaker 4: God and also shout out the city too for even
Speaker 4: though they went through the cop bear and everything else,
Speaker 4: like you know, the police just like, hey, there's the
Speaker 4: greatest moment this university has ever seen. Let him take
Speaker 4: it there. And then I want to say I was
Speaker 4: listening to Josh Paige shout out the boy, but he
Speaker 4: was saying how he when he was coming back, he
Speaker 4: saw like a rescue mission to get the goalposts out
Speaker 4: of the water, like you know, in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night.
Speaker 5: Obviously there's a lot of boat goes through there, so
Speaker 5: that goal post, it was floating for a good sec
Speaker 5: If that catches someone's prop, like it's gonna break your Yeah,
Speaker 5: that boat.
Speaker 3: They're literally sinking ships, a little many Titanics everywhere throughout
Speaker 3: the Cumblden River.
Speaker 1: Just uh.
Speaker 4: That's one piece of the insane weekend that college football had.
Speaker 4: Alabama lost, Tennessee loss to Arkansas, Michigan lost, USC lost,
Speaker 4: Miszoo got called by the way by a and m
Speaker 4: Rutgers undefeated lost. I will I'll say this, dude.
Speaker 3: When I was when we were doing the locker room
Speaker 3: and I was looking through all the slate of college football. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I kind of thought to myself, this is like maybe
Speaker 3: the most boring week of college football.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everybody felt that way.
Speaker 3: And it was the best. Fire wasn't the best. Michigan lost,
Speaker 3: but like.
Speaker 4: That was like Michigan lost, but that was an incredible
Speaker 4: game to watch as well.
Speaker 3: Not really, Yeah, I know your heart was getting turnover.
Speaker 3: We spotted him fourteen early. Listen, it is tough when
Speaker 3: you're the tenth ranked team in the country and you
Speaker 3: go uh to the Pacific Northwest to play a team
Speaker 3: that's unranked and you're underdogs by.
Speaker 4: Two and a half points. Now, it seemed like who,
Speaker 4: what's a kid? What's the quarterback name?
Speaker 1: Tuttle?
Speaker 4: Tuttle seemed like he had seemed like he had a
Speaker 4: little bit of like he did.
Speaker 1: He got well yep.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, here's what gives me optimism about
Speaker 3: the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: With Orgy.
Speaker 3: A fantastic athlete, looks like a guy you would create
Speaker 3: on NCAA fourteen. Like he's he's got the look, he's
Speaker 3: got everything, but like, oh.
Speaker 4: We kind of got a mill road.
Speaker 3: But he's completely not Yeah, but he's not he's not
Speaker 3: pushing the ball down the field. They look at this
Speaker 3: tuttal kid right looks like he got into Vanderbilt on
Speaker 3: a full ride academic scholarship, no doubt about it. But
Speaker 3: he comes in and his numbers weren't like incredible. However,
Speaker 3: at one point he was like seven for nine for
Speaker 3: like eighty five yards, and it's like, okay, we're able
Speaker 3: to throw the ball a little bit where the defense
Speaker 3: has to play us.
Speaker 4: A little more honest.
Speaker 3: You see Donovan Edwards kind of get a spark going you,
Speaker 3: So Mullings get a little spark going, lovely what Lovelyn
Speaker 3: gets to get. And then listen, he tries to go
Speaker 3: up in the pocket in the fourth quarter with six
Speaker 3: minutes left in the game, they hit the ball out,
Speaker 3: there's a turnover.
Speaker 4: He throws a pick later.
Speaker 3: Like all those things are very frustrating, and it is
Speaker 3: a big reason why we lost the game. But we
Speaker 3: have good receivers. We have possibly the greatest tight end
Speaker 3: in all of college football right now, and we have
Speaker 3: a guy that can for even though he's not the best,
Speaker 3: he can get the ball to them, which allows us to.
Speaker 4: Strengthen our run game. It just even though our offense
Speaker 4: is not that much better, it is better.
Speaker 3: You can execute the forward pass a little. We can
Speaker 3: execute we can officially turn on forward.
Speaker 4: Pass in our offense.
Speaker 3: And that's gives me hope. Because the defense not their
Speaker 3: best day.
Speaker 4: I mean, you've got two first rounders on defense.
Speaker 3: Three maybe yeah, I mean that Grant kid, fifty five
Speaker 3: Graham and then Will Johnson.
Speaker 4: In that linebacker number fifteen, he's a good player.
Speaker 3: And then, bro, what I tell you about zero third
Speaker 3: and eight, which I know you love. Zero on third
Speaker 3: and eight with the game on the line, Will Johnson
Speaker 3: gets a DPI and it's just like, there goes. That's
Speaker 3: the game, that it's over, it's done. I just I
Speaker 3: don't love how much we blitz.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I know that's winks thing. That's not Will Johnson. He
Speaker 3: plays for the he plays for the Washington Commanders. Now
Speaker 3: I don't love how much they blitz. I wish they
Speaker 3: would just play their man, play the zone, throwing a
Speaker 3: couple blitzer here and there to keep a monastery rush
Speaker 3: for you have the talent, You have the talent to
Speaker 3: get to the quarterback with four, and you have guys
Speaker 3: that can cover all around. Yeah, it's like, I know,
Speaker 3: it's tough, it's it's frustrating, but I do. Weirdly, after
Speaker 3: that game, I went, okay, like our offense has added
Speaker 3: the throwing portion. We're halfway through the year, and now
Speaker 3: we can we can throw the ball a little bit.
Speaker 3: I don't give a shit if it's checkdowns. Brother, we
Speaker 3: can fucking do it now.
Speaker 4: You I did watch your video and you're talking about
Speaker 4: what was the record going into Ohio State nine to two.
Speaker 4: I feel like you're sleeping on some clubs now, I know,
Speaker 4: but listen, and I saw your tweet. Let's focus on
Speaker 4: one game at a time. I get it. I'm just
Speaker 4: trying to help you out. I know, I know Will
Speaker 4: and t us me. I'll get there eventually.
Speaker 3: Like I know this is to me, this is picture perfect.
Speaker 3: I'm up here and you're like, hey, maybe you should
Speaker 3: be down here for a little bit.
Speaker 1: I might know.
Speaker 3: Fuck that, I gotta stay up here. Eventually, I'm going
Speaker 3: to end up where you are telling me to be.
Speaker 3: But not right now. Yeah, not yet. I'm just saying
Speaker 3: I have because Illinois stuff stuff ball club in Michigan State.
Speaker 4: Dude, it's not a gimme. I mean, Illinois.
Speaker 3: We had Oregon November second, which I might be taking
Speaker 3: win too. Yeah, that'll be fun.
Speaker 1: What's that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: But Michigan State is garbage.
Speaker 3: Bro G, you didn't have the mic. He said, Michigan
Speaker 3: State look trash against organ. Yeah, Michigan State is fucking garbage.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, dude, we've got a chance. We've
Speaker 3: got a puncher's chance. Well you got a chance.
Speaker 4: Who uh? With the way college football kind of ended
Speaker 4: up over the weekend, who do we think is the
Speaker 4: favorite now in the SEC?
Speaker 1: Outside of Texas?
Speaker 3: It's hard to say it's not Vandy, right, Vandy's going
Speaker 3: big game hunting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: They are African Safari dude, Yeah, cool hats, fifty caliber
Speaker 3: rifles and they just took down a big bully.
Speaker 6: I think you would think it would be it's still
Speaker 6: the same three teams, probably Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Tennessee because
Speaker 6: it was a brutal loss. But I personally even high
Speaker 6: on Arkansas all year. Sam Pittman, he's got it together.
Speaker 6: Bobby Petrino is so elite, and I feel like it
Speaker 6: was never that big of news that he went back
Speaker 6: to Arkansas and he's doing this. I think this is
Speaker 6: his first year back with them, and he's already got
Speaker 6: them rolling, and it's like, that's a Arkansas next year.
Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: Are they a young team? I guess yeah, young.
Speaker 6: As far as young in their culture because they got it.
Speaker 6: They got an athletic quarterback right now. But he makes
Speaker 6: so many mistakes. But yeah, Taylor Green, Taylor Green because
Speaker 6: he transferred to Yeah. But so I don't think that's
Speaker 6: like a horrible loss for Tennessee, And ultimately it's probably
Speaker 6: gonna come down to Alabama Tennessee in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 6: barring South Carolina somehow takes down a pissed off Alabama
Speaker 6: team next weekend.
Speaker 4: What happened with South Carolina?
Speaker 6: Man similar to Michigan. You we spot him fourteen points
Speaker 6: in like three minutes. The crowd was out of it immediately.
Speaker 6: The the defense played fine after those fourteen points. We
Speaker 6: just gave them a short field so many times.
Speaker 4: Dylan Stewart just unloading.
Speaker 6: The flip And did you see Jackson darts chirp back? No,
Speaker 6: how you fire one hundred rounds and not hit once?
Speaker 1: Oh whole lot of shots.
Speaker 4: What's up with these kids doing the gun celebrations? D
Speaker 4: m V dog But legit though, there there was a
Speaker 4: there was another one where I want to say, I
Speaker 4: want to say somebody like lifted lifted their shirt up
Speaker 4: like they had one, like they had one strapped to him.
Speaker 4: Like I don't feel like that was happening. Show your age,
Speaker 4: will But.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I'm with you.
Speaker 6: But I like this year thing because I'm crazy one
Speaker 6: of the receivers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it did. There was in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one player did in.
Speaker 4: The NFL and he got it was for the Packers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone got fight. Yeah, no one. Dude was like
Speaker 1: on the sideline.
Speaker 6: Personally, I loved it. I was because I was watching
Speaker 6: it happen and I was standing. I saw him pull
Speaker 6: the trigger and I turned around, I saw the flag
Speaker 6: and he's o mistandswer behind me.
Speaker 1: I said, that was sick though.
Speaker 6: I mean he did. Stir did go crazy. Four tackles
Speaker 6: for a loss in a sack. So he did his thing.
Speaker 6: But the offense, we have no identity which falls on
Speaker 6: one person and it's not a player, and it's not
Speaker 6: our head coach and it's not our DC. You can
Speaker 6: connect the dots.
Speaker 1: On who's last coach?
Speaker 6: Yeah, over of Weno.
Speaker 4: Yeah, another bad OC because it seems like the oct
Speaker 4: you guys used to have is doing.
Speaker 1: It all right.
Speaker 6: And Lincoln they had demoted him.
Speaker 4: Oh did they really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What do you mean? He's not like y'all's O c
Speaker 4: Rule calls it right.
Speaker 6: I think you'll have another Gadfield is a quarterbacks coach. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but he's also like a he's not calling plays.
Speaker 1: I think he is.
Speaker 6: I'd be willing to put some money on this one.
Speaker 4: Look it up.
Speaker 6: Actually, the way y'all played the last two weeks on offense, maybe.
Speaker 4: No, we just Dylant. He missed a couple of throws,
Speaker 4: but he's a rookie. You look, you can't have two
Speaker 4: block punks. He do you see Dylan's brother. You can't
Speaker 4: have two block punchs. Hey you see Dylan's brother. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he's committed to committed in Nebraska. Looks like Jackson Mahomes.
Speaker 4: I see all the headlines. But we got we got
Speaker 4: a little brother. We got a little brother that's a ballplayer.
Speaker 4: No broken wrist stuff over here. We got a family
Speaker 4: of athletes coming into the NFL.
Speaker 3: Bro, Nebraska might be nice for the next six years, could.
Speaker 4: Be you know, I don't know. I did see.
Speaker 1: That's Rola.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I saw he threw a bomb in his high
Speaker 4: school game. Yes, dude, that was a beautiful lefty too.
Speaker 6: Well, you are right, by the way, he's a tight
Speaker 6: ends coach and O and then it looks like Glenn
Speaker 6: Thomas's co offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Right right.
Speaker 4: I do. I think it's a OC by committee type
Speaker 4: of deal. I feel like that's always a tough gig.
Speaker 4: What the committee thing? Yeah, whether it's coaches or players,
Speaker 4: I don't like it. I don't like it. The only
Speaker 4: place that works is.
Speaker 1: Running back running committee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this kid. What's what's Dylan's brother's name?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What day?
Speaker 3: Dating Dylan and Dayton?
Speaker 4: Okay, date, that's exciting.
Speaker 1: Jack.
Speaker 4: How are you feeling after Tennessee dropped one against Arkansas?
Speaker 5: It's tough, man, you know. You just have these high
Speaker 5: expectations and you don't think you're gonna drop one to
Speaker 5: an unranked SEC opponent. Luckily it's a West team, but
Speaker 5: still they controlled the ball the whole game, even though
Speaker 5: it was only three to zero at half, and then
Speaker 5: we were up fourteen to three, and then I think
Speaker 5: our last five series we got shut out, and then
Speaker 5: I think it was the first time we saw Nico
Speaker 5: make a young quarterback air the very last play of
Speaker 5: the game. It's fourth and eight or something, time expires
Speaker 5: and he runs it. It's like, who cares if you
Speaker 5: even throw it? And they pick it off, it's game
Speaker 5: over regardless. So that seemed like the first kind of
Speaker 5: all Right, he's young and still trying to learn what
Speaker 5: these big play moments can be, so that I think
Speaker 5: that is probably where a lot of our fan base saw, like, ah,
Speaker 5: he's maybe not quite the elite quarterback that we wanted
Speaker 5: to be at this moment. I still think he's an
Speaker 5: unbelievable talent and we'll continue to learn. And I'm sure
Speaker 5: he was just as upset as anybody else would have been.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's tough. I thought, for once, because the
Speaker 5: Titans had the bye week, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: have stress free football weekend. And I have this theory whenever,
Speaker 5: whenever the Titans win, the Balls will lose, and vice versa.
Speaker 5: When the Balls win, the Titans lose. And I forgot
Speaker 5: Titans played on that Monday night game and what they do.
Speaker 5: They won, so I should have known that the Balls
Speaker 5: were gonna come back and fuck my shit up.
Speaker 1: All weekend.
Speaker 5: I didn't watch one snap of NFL football. Yesterday, I
Speaker 5: watched three movies in my room by myself, kind of
Speaker 5: got back to the basics, try to back and it
Speaker 5: was great spooky, uh yeah, but not like a traditional
Speaker 5: I forget this was the thriller that.
Speaker 4: I watched the Arkansas tennis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would have been the spook. Would just be
Speaker 5: watching the replay of that. But we've got a big
Speaker 5: game come up this weekend. Uh, Florida comes to Knoxville.
Speaker 5: And even though Florida is in a row for you guys,
Speaker 5: yeah Arkansas. Oh yeah, yeah, you're saying starting this week, absolutely,
Speaker 5: and Florida's been you know, abysmal this year. But when
Speaker 5: it comes to rivalry, you threw everything out the windows, right,
Speaker 5: and it's yeah, and Florida they have the opportunity to
Speaker 5: end our season before we even get to Alabama. And
Speaker 5: I know that that would be like them getting a
Speaker 5: like their season. That would be a full win for them.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if they don't win another regular by
Speaker 5: ruining our season. We opened up as a twenty and
Speaker 5: a half point favor last week, which scares me. I
Speaker 5: do think we can handle it because historically the balls
Speaker 5: are so bad in the Swamp, but it's a different
Speaker 5: story typically when they come Knoxville, so it's a seven
Speaker 5: pm game. Again, we have yet to have a game
Speaker 5: that's We had night games every single game this year,
Speaker 5: so I don't know. And we and we are a
Speaker 5: franchise that's been noon games, noon games. Like my first
Speaker 5: two years at Tennessee, I think we had one night
Speaker 5: game for the first two years I was there, so
Speaker 5: it was always noon kickoff. So I'm a little nervous,
Speaker 5: but it's always fun. Florida and Tennessee is such a
Speaker 5: fun matchup and it's it's really gritty, hard nos football.
Speaker 5: But if we drop that game, yeah, next week I
Speaker 5: will be I'll be.
Speaker 1: Really you want to hear my theory, Yeah.
Speaker 4: The curse of you not buying back into the trees
Speaker 4: are whispering that the curse is leaked over into college football.
Speaker 4: Jack McPherson controls a little bit of what's happening.
Speaker 5: I think I want you to admit that you want
Speaker 5: me dead, you want me to kill myself. I just
Speaker 5: want you to say it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't don't.
Speaker 4: Maybe this we obviously don't want you to kill yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't, But you sold.
Speaker 4: You said you would kill yourself a maliki and that
Speaker 4: was hilarious in the moment, and then when it came
Speaker 4: real the chickens came home to roost, it was kind
Speaker 4: of like, hey, would like for you to kill yourself?
Speaker 1: What do you want me to do myself?
Speaker 5: Like get close to death, like get like.
Speaker 3: Take it back, take it back to middle school horizontal cuts.
Speaker 3: If we posty brainstorm, quick brainstorm of what you could
Speaker 3: do to get.
Speaker 5: The jujuar gonna say, if we keep posting clips about suicide,
Speaker 5: eventually people will not think it's funny.
Speaker 3: I understand that, But until then, we'll keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Jack, what's gonna happen if you guys lose the Florida
Speaker 1: this week?
Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta at least think about it, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta pay the gods something. Maybe if
Speaker 4: you Yeah, if you lose the If you lose the
Speaker 4: Florida this week, you should shave your stash in the head.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do both. I would do the mustache.
Speaker 1: WHOA really, what if you lose the Floorida this week?
Speaker 1: Shave your head? No, I'm not shaving my head.
Speaker 3: No, we're not talking about if they lose to somebody.
Speaker 3: He's gotta right or wrong now, Sock.
Speaker 4: I agree. I don't want the curse this. I don't
Speaker 4: want the curse to live. I hate living in this world.
Speaker 4: I truly do. Yeah, we don't want you guys to lose.
Speaker 4: I want you guys to win this week. I want
Speaker 4: who's Alabama play suck. I would like for it to
Speaker 4: be one lost teams when we go to Tennessee. But Jack,
Speaker 4: I'm saying, I don't want. I. I just don't want
Speaker 4: the curse to leak in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, neither do I.
Speaker 5: I don't know how we we've swapped from NFL to college.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's got to be a line in
Speaker 5: the sand. Like I was prepared for the Titans to
Speaker 5: just be horrible because of me because I had the vault.
Speaker 4: And then they won and you're like, Okay, maybe that
Speaker 4: stuff isn't real.
Speaker 5: And then it leaked over in my theory where that
Speaker 5: Tennessee valls and the Titans can't win them the same weekend.
Speaker 1: Ever, I feel all right, So what I'm just raising
Speaker 1: just so we can put this to bed? What is
Speaker 1: it going to be?
Speaker 5: Because I'm willing to do something. I don't know if
Speaker 5: I want to shave my head if we lose, I
Speaker 5: would shave my mustache.
Speaker 1: How about this? How about this?
Speaker 4: We'll let people We'll let people leave comments on what
Speaker 4: Jack should do this week? Yes, and maybe we take
Speaker 4: We'll choose out of the two most.
Speaker 5: Like the ones, Okay, throup the comments, all right, and
Speaker 5: none can involve me killing myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're doing. That's off the deal, like you're the
Speaker 4: one who said that. But we do want that.
Speaker 1: Guys. If we lose to Florida, I will I'm not yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Give me a call if we lose the Florida.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know where we go from here?
Speaker 4: Where we go from here?
Speaker 1: Where? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: NFL.
Speaker 3: NFL first game of the year played in London.
Speaker 1: Yes, Vikings, bro, I've been on the Vikings for a
Speaker 1: few weeks now you have.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was like the Niners game. What was that
Speaker 4: Week two? Week three? Yeah, but the Vikings are for real.
Speaker 1: Man, I know.
Speaker 3: And the cool thing is, obviously everyone's been talking about
Speaker 3: Sam Donald and how he's been able to throw it
Speaker 3: all over the yard, but this is the week like
Speaker 3: they came out and they scored fairly quickly and went
Speaker 3: up on the Jets big time. But after that the
Speaker 3: offense was kind of non existent. The Jets really started
Speaker 3: to figure themselves out. That defense is unreal. And Baldy
Speaker 3: you ever watched his clips, He's always breaking down the
Speaker 3: offitsive line clips. He showed the New York Jets doing
Speaker 3: a basic open side inside zone play and there's a
Speaker 3: Baker blitz which for those of you listening Bakers when
Speaker 3: the linebacker will go through the B gap. You hear Baker,
Speaker 3: I believe it's acts for a gap.
Speaker 4: Change of wardings, but yeah, you're going through.
Speaker 3: So basically what happens in that situation is the two
Speaker 3: d tackles will slant away from the blitz and just
Speaker 3: watching the Jets offensive line, dude do a horrible job
Speaker 3: of picking that up. The left guard buries his face
Speaker 3: into the defensive tackle and doesn't get out of it,
Speaker 3: and then they just get a TfL. The Minnesota Vikings
Speaker 3: are playing on all cylinders right now.
Speaker 4: They are crushing in that pick six. Impressive right, just
Speaker 4: dropping out last second now going into that too, like
Speaker 4: uh Flores, I think him and he's only played against
Speaker 4: Aaron once and he's on one against Aaron, but he's
Speaker 4: always got something dialed.
Speaker 3: Up, right And Aaron obviously when you're watching the uh
Speaker 3: the TV copy you you hear the commentators, we're talking, Hey, Aaron,
Speaker 3: he's gonna be forty one in a couple of months,
Speaker 3: Like this is kind of what he is now. He
Speaker 3: can't get away as much as possible. He rolls his
Speaker 3: ankle during the game, and so it's like and man
Speaker 3: battle line play is terrible.
Speaker 4: Online coach, that's Keith still still Keith Card Now I'm
Speaker 4: my my Twitter's kind of I got some people commenting,
Speaker 4: we don't have to go any further than what Taylor
Speaker 4: I wanna set already. Yeah, like it's been out there
Speaker 4: for quite a minute. A minute and the players, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you're you're missing like your best I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know the aster room talked about him, but arguably
Speaker 4: your best whole lineman and Morgan Moses he's been out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Timon Smith is their left tackle aged a Yeah, hat
Speaker 3: has has a history of injuries, but still like a
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame tackle.
Speaker 4: They've got do.
Speaker 3: They've just got to figure out a way to just
Speaker 3: just block as a unit. It's always just one guy
Speaker 3: and no one clip I talked about with Baldy.
Speaker 4: It's like this.
Speaker 3: The the left guard needs to know when you're when
Speaker 3: you're singling to that backer that runs to the B gap.
Speaker 3: Once you see the defense tackle, you need to plan
Speaker 3: off that right leg and know that something's coming, something
Speaker 3: is coming that you need to You're gonna have to block.
Speaker 3: So it's a reaction thing you just have. You can't
Speaker 3: be burying your face and blocks like that.
Speaker 4: You like that, Yeah, And I love the Baldi breakdowns,
Speaker 4: like the Baldie breakdowns, or it's where you want to
Speaker 4: close the curtains, get out the lotion and just have
Speaker 4: excited abouteuse.
Speaker 1: He just loves football, I know.
Speaker 3: And the thing too, is like the play he was showing,
Speaker 3: it's like the most basic. It's you run that play
Speaker 3: in high school. There's not most there's not a bunch
Speaker 3: of gadgets going on around it. It's truly like it
Speaker 3: literally would be called fourteen Wanda or fifteen wanda. It's
Speaker 3: a left side play. It's open side. You have your
Speaker 3: basic blocking scheams. You can only run it versus certain numbers.
Speaker 3: You have the box, you have the look, the safeties
Speaker 3: are far away. You don't have too many guys.
Speaker 4: It's a count game.
Speaker 3: And so center and guard are gonna go to the
Speaker 3: front side backer. And then they had a two I
Speaker 3: and then a head up six technique on the tight
Speaker 3: end or I'm sorry, a five technique.
Speaker 4: And when Taylor's talking to you're talking inside shade of
Speaker 4: the guard, inside shade the tackle.
Speaker 3: So in that situation, the hard the hard block is
Speaker 3: for the tackle on the opposite side. The right tackle
Speaker 3: because he has to he's in a C block to
Speaker 3: the other backer who's not blitzing. Once he sees that
Speaker 3: defensive end go away, he now needs to find himself
Speaker 3: into the B gap to help the guard to get
Speaker 3: up to that linebacker. So it's all it's a reaction game.
Speaker 3: And sometimes people love speed off the ball, people love
Speaker 3: like a low pad level and all those things with
Speaker 3: offensive line, but and those type of situations, it's like
Speaker 3: you need to have a reaction step and then figure
Speaker 3: out where were going and then put put some power
Speaker 3: behind it. But it's just they're burying their face, they're
Speaker 3: bearing their face. It feels like just grabbing the soap
Speaker 3: a little too hard.
Speaker 1: You know, grabbing the bird a little too hard to
Speaker 1: kill the bird. So it's it's interesting, that is not
Speaker 1: the blitz.
Speaker 4: That is not the blae exchange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, scrape exchange, which is also a very Hey that's
Speaker 3: a nice basic blitz to stop the run. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean that is essentially the play. No, it's not the
Speaker 3: play because that's a that's a that's a that's a
Speaker 3: three four. So it's different, but it's not that big
Speaker 3: of a deal anyway. Long story short vikings look great,
Speaker 3: Vikings look good and and Jets. Jets aren't having a
Speaker 3: hard time with their blocking concepts on on on simple things,
Speaker 3: which is which is tough.
Speaker 4: And I don't blame it. I don't blame the players.
Speaker 4: It doesn't look good for the Jets.
Speaker 6: Dude, quick Stefan Gilmour, he had that pick at the
Speaker 6: end of the game. He's had an interception on Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 6: Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 4: I mean, thirty four years old Gilmour is that's awesome.
Speaker 4: One of the best corners to do it. I feel
Speaker 4: like he's kind of like gone away a little bit too.
Speaker 6: Like he had yeah, because he was like Panthers Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Because he had the defensive the year for the Colts,
Speaker 4: right for the Patriots, for the.
Speaker 3: Patriots right then he went to the Colts. From there,
Speaker 3: then he was the Panthers and it was all over
Speaker 3: the place. So he had a couple of years in
Speaker 3: hiding and now he's he's still showing up, showing that
Speaker 3: he's him.
Speaker 4: I love that. Yeah, that's crazy. Could you imagine another
Speaker 4: contender in the NFC the Commanders, Bro, Bro, you were
Speaker 4: you called it? When are they going to figure? When
Speaker 4: are they going to figure out Jaden Daniels. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: defense played a good game. Now, if you bring up
Speaker 4: their schedule, they haven't like played anybody that tough yet,
Speaker 4: so it'll be I know it. But all I was
Speaker 4: going to say to that is even when you're like,
Speaker 4: you're playing these these teams now Bengals arguably in the dumps, uh,
Speaker 4: the brown with Burrow throwing five touchdowns. I know, I know,
Speaker 4: I'm saying at that time where they kind of they
Speaker 4: kind of squeaked out a win at Sincy and then
Speaker 4: they go and demolish the Cardinals. They demolished the Browns.
Speaker 4: Like they're handling teams that are perceived to be not
Speaker 4: that good this year. They're handling their business. So even
Speaker 4: if you want to chalk it up to hey, they
Speaker 4: kind of have a week schedule right now, which again,
Speaker 4: it is the National Football League. Anything can happen. But man,
Speaker 4: you've got a rookie quarterback that's dialed in like that
Speaker 4: and firing on all cylinders. You're kind of the question,
Speaker 4: I guess is like when's he going to hit the
Speaker 4: rookie wall because he's having just I mean, he's having
Speaker 4: it like a a career year, in his first year
Speaker 4: in the league. It's crazy, it really is. Yea and
Speaker 4: everybody in the district right now, I know has fired
Speaker 4: the fuck up massive game this weekend against the Ravens.
Speaker 4: The Ravens had a dicey one against the Bengals over
Speaker 4: the weekend. Joe Burrow, he did. He threw for five
Speaker 4: five tuddies. We got to get or Lamar, I mean Lamar.
Speaker 4: You saw that play at the end of the game
Speaker 4: of Lamar where he's escaping in through that tuddy. I
Speaker 4: know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that fumble that he had.
Speaker 4: Well play is this? Can I see that play?
Speaker 1: Which one the fumble?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, they were going, they were they were going,
Speaker 4: they were in ot and they were I always say
Speaker 4: drive and they had the ball. They're driving and Lamar
Speaker 4: has a you know, has a mistake, fumbles the ball.
Speaker 4: Bengals get it in Raven's territory. They can't really move it.
Speaker 4: They're trying to run the ball a little bit. Miss
Speaker 4: a field goal, yeah, bad snap, miss the field goal.
Speaker 4: This one right here, bad snap to Lamar. Laurn's a
Speaker 4: fumbling it just brewed. Yeah, yeah, my fault.
Speaker 1: Bad bad exchange.
Speaker 4: He kind of takes his eyes to the defense right before,
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, lose his focus drops the ball. Bengals
Speaker 4: get it in enemy territory. It's like it almost seems
Speaker 4: like McPherson like he's gonna be able to knock this
Speaker 4: one in no problem. They have a bad uh uh
Speaker 4: center holder exchange for the for the field goal. They
Speaker 4: missed the field goal and freaking uh Darry buss Off.
Speaker 4: How long was that run? Fifty seven yard? Or bro
Speaker 4: still got him? Man? Yeah, still fucking got it. The
Speaker 4: King got a hundred, ten thousand yards and pass with
Speaker 4: Derrick Henry ten thousand yards and one hundred touchdowns. Like
Speaker 4: I want to say, he's seventh on the old time
Speaker 4: list right now in one hundred and twenty five games.
Speaker 4: Like he's he I mean, he's a legend, He's a
Speaker 4: Leegend's gonna be All of Famer.
Speaker 1: He's up.
Speaker 4: He was before this season started. Yeah, now you kind
Speaker 4: of cement it like when you're hitting the when you're
Speaker 4: hitting the things like the milestones like ten thousand yards,
Speaker 4: one hundred touchdowns, and he's looking the way he does
Speaker 4: with these big runs and kind of pulling away from guys. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's cool to see it's also gonna see Derek Havan' success.
Speaker 1: With the Red.
Speaker 3: It is man and you just want him to just
Speaker 3: keep it going for as long as possible. Can't you
Speaker 3: get eleven thousand how many how many guys have eleven
Speaker 3: thousand yards?
Speaker 1: Like four or five? Uh two? People are okay? Four
Speaker 1: or five?
Speaker 3: Sherman is now switched up to four or five. It's
Speaker 3: it's just awesome to see man, to see his success.
Speaker 3: It's I did not think it would come this quick
Speaker 3: with the Ravens. I thought they're gonna have a more
Speaker 3: difficult time figuring out a way for him to.
Speaker 1: Okay, And there's.
Speaker 3: Twenty one guys eleven thousand yards five four or five?
Speaker 4: Four or five.
Speaker 3: Did you see Stefan Diggs give the side eye to
Speaker 3: Josh Allen after the game?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I did. To me, there's a part of me
Speaker 4: too that thinks people are really looking into it. I
Speaker 4: think they they don't have like the greatest relationship. And
Speaker 4: they just kind of congratulated each other after the game,
Speaker 4: and somebody just got that still shot of him kind
Speaker 4: of coming out of it. Yeah, it's still fun to
Speaker 4: look at it.
Speaker 1: It's still fun to.
Speaker 4: Down a little bit. Yeah, Yeah, it's still fun to
Speaker 4: live in that world that he's like pissed off that
Speaker 4: he just had to tap him up, Like yeah, bitch,
Speaker 4: all right, bitch. I feel like, hey, good game.
Speaker 3: I think Josh has handled it well. You see the
Speaker 3: press conferences and there's a couple of things they took
Speaker 3: quotes and they kind of ran with it a little
Speaker 3: too much, lost possession.
Speaker 4: I was, I was bouncing back between that game was
Speaker 4: going on. You had the Colts game going on. That
Speaker 4: one was close.
Speaker 6: Josh's stat line was insanely bad. It's like nine for thirty.
Speaker 1: The Yikes got knocked out.
Speaker 4: He had knocked out in the game.
Speaker 3: Someone was telling me that earlier that he was like
Speaker 3: literally stiff on the ground for a second and they
Speaker 3: put him back in.
Speaker 4: He hit some of the smelling salts and was like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, you get them salts. You know, Josh Like,
Speaker 4: if they put him back in, it's not because they're
Speaker 4: like you seem good to go ahead and go back in,
Speaker 4: you know Josh's and they're like, hey, I'm fucking fine,
Speaker 4: like going back in.
Speaker 3: This just a wyoming boy, dude, a kid that just
Speaker 3: all grit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all grit, trying to bring farmers back to life,
Speaker 4: fighting for the agriculture, no doubt. Yeah, fighting for it.
Speaker 4: And yeah that's like that's one of those gray areas
Speaker 4: that people argue like the team's gotta save him from himself,
Speaker 4: and you'll you'll hear all that, but ultimately, you know,
Speaker 4: Josh was like, hey, I'm fine, I'm good to go.
Speaker 4: I'm passing all the tests, like get me back out
Speaker 4: in the game.
Speaker 3: Nico that that ball on CJ. Stroud had to Nico
Speaker 3: collins Man. CJ really has touch on the ball like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, CJ. Yeah, I hated that Nico went out too
Speaker 4: with the hamstring injury. I got him on my fantasy team.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, how's your face? Your fantasy team sounds like
Speaker 3: it's in a blender.
Speaker 4: It was I now I've popped out a couple wins. Now,
Speaker 4: I just I just beat the ship out of Coop
Speaker 4: in our fantasy Nice.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: No, I'm four and one.
Speaker 3: I'm willing to do whatever punishment y'all want.
Speaker 4: That's the problem was the season gets going. These the
Speaker 4: losers like myself, I'm thinking.
Speaker 6: Like I thought it was dye your hair blonde.
Speaker 4: I'll die my fucking hair blonde. I'm not gonna I
Speaker 4: know this, I'm not gonna get last. I've been trying
Speaker 4: to work the waiver wire.
Speaker 3: Hey, looky, I feel like it would take like four
Speaker 3: guys to also do it with me.
Speaker 4: Just to die my hair blonde. You've been wanting to
Speaker 4: dye your hair blonde.
Speaker 1: I've kind of wanted to. I've always kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to dye my hair, but never have done it.
Speaker 4: You like made like a like a brochure or a
Speaker 4: book of blonde hairstyles, right that you did?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: Miss Tanna?
Speaker 3: Oh, Miss Tanna probably did because I was telling her
Speaker 3: that that silver look is kind of cool. But then
Speaker 3: she was telling me all the processes of Miss Tanna,
Speaker 3: my mother in law.
Speaker 4: She did hair.
Speaker 3: She was like a Salon Salon easta Salon Easter Salona
Speaker 3: body who.
Speaker 6: Used to have their die hair, hair dyed blow on.
Speaker 6: Max Crosby. You what you're saying to bow Nicks? Yeah, no, bro,
Speaker 6: both bo Nicks was calling something that though I heard
Speaker 6: I saw that clip.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, it's like you're not talking loud enough.
Speaker 6: He's like, speak up, bro, they don't know ship. And
Speaker 6: then bo Nicks and Sean Payton had a little.
Speaker 1: Oh theyd dye his hair not bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's way too pale to go blonde like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Max is way too pale to go blonde like that.
Speaker 4: I love Max. I love Max, Love him to death.
Speaker 6: He's bawling though, he's he's kinda he's kind of he's playing, he's.
Speaker 4: Got he's balding. I was like, oh, Ship, for real,
Speaker 4: he's kind of you, but he kind of he's kind
Speaker 4: of cutting up. It's not like he's all blonde. He's
Speaker 4: kind of trimmed it. Like we got the insanct justin Timberlake.
Speaker 4: Look up right now. I used to rock that look
Speaker 4: back in middle school. The blonde tips up top, Yeah,
Speaker 4: frost frost boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had that in elementary school. My mom always
Speaker 3: had me with the Caesar cut and the frost tips
Speaker 3: at the front.
Speaker 4: Yeah, get out the hair, the little thing on then
Speaker 4: you pull your hair through.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: No Ship thirty forty five minutes then I had that
Speaker 4: was real corner rows. Like I'd never be able to
Speaker 4: pull that off, would you talking about?
Speaker 1: Yes you could?
Speaker 4: No, bro, you did it? Yeah that looks insane. I
Speaker 4: used I used to rock the corner rolls on like
Speaker 4: two K when I create a player for real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never did a trip with your family to
Speaker 3: Mexico and like we're on the beach and got it
Speaker 3: done real quick.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, our family never went to Mexico. Our
Speaker 4: our our vacations. We were at the BoNT Pond. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I ain't going my first vacation until I was like
Speaker 4: an adult for real. Yeah, yeah, we were never able
Speaker 4: to do family vacations. Man, shout out the grind of
Speaker 4: the yeah. Or it would be like, you know, baseball
Speaker 4: tournaments on the weekends type of thing. Yeah, that would
Speaker 4: kind of be the fun you get try to get
Speaker 4: the hotel people to leave the pool open a little
Speaker 4: bit later. As a young buck, we'd be throwing in.
Speaker 4: You'd be throwing in all the chairs and stuff. Let
Speaker 4: it sink at the bottom for real. Yeah, we want
Speaker 4: state one year and they left it open for us
Speaker 4: all night long. But you won state in baseball?
Speaker 1: Yeah in baseball?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, you never won in football. Well, no, it's
Speaker 4: just our JFL is just our little community. You have
Speaker 4: six games a year, oh for real? Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 4: hoisted the trophy a couple of times. Heisman Winter no ship, Yeah,
Speaker 4: well you really were him? I mean yeah, I was
Speaker 4: nice as a as a young kid. I mean in football.
Speaker 4: I can't imagine community center. You didn't play football until
Speaker 4: high school, right.
Speaker 1: I played one year in third grade that was a
Speaker 1: corner locked down.
Speaker 6: I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I was a kid in third grade.
Speaker 4: Bro, that's you know good, Just put him at corner
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was literally just fast. I would I would be
Speaker 3: the kid that like everyone's taking.
Speaker 4: It real serious.
Speaker 3: But I was like picking the grass on the ground,
Speaker 3: like sitting criscross applesaus is a place going on.
Speaker 1: My dad be like, yo, Taylor, yeah you want to
Speaker 1: know why you're at corner. Yeah. That next year I
Speaker 1: played quarterback. You were nice.
Speaker 3: I quit before this and started. We did we did
Speaker 3: a tackling drill. We have to run straight and then
Speaker 3: they have like ticket, it's an angle drill. And then
Speaker 3: kids were getting tackled and I was like, fuck this
Speaker 3: that looks terrible. I got too scared. I was so
Speaker 3: scared of contact. Yeah, the ale tackle drill terrified.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: Even baseball, same thing, Like anytime I pitch can be
Speaker 3: like remotely close step outside the box.
Speaker 6: This is random, But I love those videos when of
Speaker 6: youth football practice, when the moms tackle there.
Speaker 1: Dude, yea, I saw that the Oklahoma drill with that kid.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of kids are laying their moms out
Speaker 3: and vice versa versa.
Speaker 6: You can tell the moms that have a bad kid.
Speaker 6: They're like they lined up.
Speaker 4: I wish my mom would have tried that shit. Due
Speaker 4: I would have buried her, probably not for five minutes
Speaker 4: and be like, yeah, so I saw the clip where
Speaker 4: the kid beat his mom and he just started gridding
Speaker 4: no ship, yeah, no, oh.
Speaker 1: His ass. I mean we knew what was gonna happen
Speaker 1: before that one even started.
Speaker 4: That's just the area you just don't get anymore. Man,
Speaker 4: that's the bowl in the ring aer right there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, d emasculating. I mean, these moms are even
Speaker 3: moving in time.
Speaker 4: So this drill right here, they line this drill up,
Speaker 4: and just I would get to go against the kids
Speaker 4: who they wanted to quit. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3: Imagine you separate a defensive here offense over here, and
Speaker 3: kids are doing the one, two, three wheels right there,
Speaker 3: and may you go ahead, Yeah, you go ahead. Just
Speaker 3: let everybody try not to match up.
Speaker 4: My coach would be like, all right, wheel's up, and
Speaker 4: then he pointed to somebody like Coop and be like Coop,
Speaker 4: you're up. Maybe try to get him to quit.
Speaker 1: They would say that to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I was so brainwashed, like we
Speaker 4: I had the little sea on my chest as a
Speaker 4: young buck, and if you had to see on your chest,
Speaker 4: you were allowed to just take off at any moment. Oh,
Speaker 4: hang on on a kid, if they're just walking back
Speaker 4: to line, like I would just get to go and
Speaker 4: sprint and just level the kid without him looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Ball team did that in high school. Yes, our best
Speaker 6: player would just lay people out that were walking. It
Speaker 6: was like they did not deserve that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, itzynuts, I've never even heard of that walking back.
Speaker 4: I could take off at any moment, just go lay
Speaker 4: somebody out. How often did you do it? I would
Speaker 4: do it as much as possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody, Now, if you started running and they saw
Speaker 3: you coming, they started running, would you stop?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I mean I would keep going till the job's done.
Speaker 3: The job Yeah, Will is a fucking menace of authority,
Speaker 3: got drunk with power.
Speaker 4: I would have hated you. I would have hated you.
Speaker 4: I mean, imagine bulling the ring. Just you'd have somebody
Speaker 4: standing in the middle and people get pointed out.
Speaker 6: Did you ever go and like in the Oklahoma drew
Speaker 6: where they're like hey will and then somebody got.
Speaker 4: Really no, I mean I was, I was than everybody.
Speaker 3: What about Nebraska? Like those here was probably like a
Speaker 3: Nebraska drill, which was the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think I lost to a full
Speaker 4: back and like an Oklahoma drill like that to where
Speaker 4: you're on the board, but nothing like that.
Speaker 3: Is to me, the dumbest drill to have a board
Speaker 3: in between both of your feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We used to do that in like three point stances
Speaker 3: with the defensive linemen and it would be like I'd
Speaker 3: be in a defensive line stance just like this is
Speaker 3: doing nothing, but you gotta win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 4: The adrenaline nerves and everything that you have when you're
Speaker 4: just in front of the entire team going one on
Speaker 4: one bro something like that.
Speaker 3: My freshman year of college, there was a walk on guy,
Speaker 3: Eric Gunderson. He was three hundred and forty pounds and
Speaker 3: I was two fifty. He were both freshmen. They did
Speaker 3: the board drill and he and I went and he
Speaker 3: just walked me back and they're like again because it
Speaker 3: was like one of those things where they're probably trying
Speaker 3: to get me to do well. So this kid would
Speaker 3: quit type of thing, and then maybe dude three times.
Speaker 3: On the third time, his helmet came off and.
Speaker 4: I swung on him.
Speaker 3: I swaw, dude, I hit him like right here, like
Speaker 3: kind of hit his nose and his cheek and he
Speaker 3: gets hit and slowly just looks back at me. I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is gonna fucking kill me. Later,
Speaker 3: I like go up to apologize to him, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 3: you get one free bee on me before like this
Speaker 3: is all done between us. So my senior year, we
Speaker 3: were literally roommates in our house and it's like, I
Speaker 3: think right before the season started and there's like we're
Speaker 3: having a party at the house and you know, well,
Speaker 3: your boy was kind of on back.
Speaker 4: Then, right, so I like, see Dunnison, he's.
Speaker 3: Got a bunch of heal And we were joking about
Speaker 3: like as we like became seniors, it was like, hey, brother,
Speaker 3: you only have a couple more months. And I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I could have left my junior year. He
Speaker 3: was like I was thought it was a man around here,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, guandhy you can you can anytime you wanted.
Speaker 4: You get a free when you get a free one.
Speaker 3: So that night at the house, you know, I'm doing
Speaker 3: my extracurriculars, and I'm like.
Speaker 4: Gandy, it's time.
Speaker 1: It's time. He fucking smokes me.
Speaker 3: Bro It hurts so bad, but I luckily, luckily he
Speaker 3: didn't sleep me luckily.
Speaker 1: But it hurts so bad. Four years, four years, any like.
Speaker 4: We obviously made up. We were boys, all that stuff.
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Speaker 4: going to be in Oregon this weekend, the boys will
Speaker 4: be Ohio State at Oregon.
Speaker 1: Do we know what we're gonna be g I think
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this one.
Speaker 4: We're gonna be at Rennie's Landing, Landing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be popping in twelve pm.
Speaker 4: On Saturday on Saturday. Ready for this night game. I
Speaker 4: mean it is gonna be maybe the biggest game they've
Speaker 4: hosted two verse three versus a massive one. Big ten
Speaker 4: implications on the line like this could be like the
Speaker 4: Who's Who of the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Let's go Ducks. Yeah, oh yeah, let's go. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be wild. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, we will be getting their Friday. We will be
Speaker 3: gaining their Friday. If you could tell us, please what
Speaker 3: haunted house we should go to near Eugene. The boys
Speaker 3: are gonna go to a haunted house keeping this spooktober
Speaker 3: vibes alive. It's gonna be incredible, the Spooktober.
Speaker 4: I feel like we've we've gotten off to an incredible start,
Speaker 4: the best, starting with the boy's history.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And for those who are wanting to embrace the Spook,
Speaker 4: we do have merch. Spootober merch. This is my favorite shirt.
Speaker 4: Spooky season got the orange, you got the you got
Speaker 4: the uh you know if you're Spootober debts. The brain
Speaker 4: is a hard one there. The amster died on the wheel.
Speaker 3: We got that, dude. We need to make hats like
Speaker 3: this too, Yeah, just saying tried hats.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't let us make hats. What Yeah, but if
Speaker 4: people can embrace the spook and call for hats and.
Speaker 1: We do whatever we want, we do whatever we want
Speaker 1: to drop a hat in the chat everyone has.
Speaker 4: As everyone has a master. Yeah, but it's been awesome.
Speaker 4: We we we went to a pumpkin patch. We went
Speaker 4: to Gentry's farm. No for shout outs to Gentry's Farm.
Speaker 3: Which, by the way, like crazy time to do that
Speaker 3: with how hot it was.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 4: The thought process was, ultimately, we're gonna be gone the
Speaker 4: next couple of weeks because we got Oregon and then
Speaker 4: we're going to the Tennessee game. So we would have
Speaker 4: been waiting till the end of the month to do it.
Speaker 4: So we just went ahead and made the call. I mean,
Speaker 4: Charlie had the call. She's pregnant. I'm kind of like
Speaker 4: lean on her, Hey, if you want to go do
Speaker 4: this because I told her, I'm like, it is still
Speaker 4: fucking hot. Yeah, thank god it is not anymore. The
Speaker 4: weather has finally been to our will and it feels
Speaker 4: like it's October. But yeah, you're right, like it was
Speaker 4: mid eighties, miserable, sweaty, but it was fun. We had
Speaker 4: a great time. There's a lot of shade rude played
Speaker 4: on all the playground stuff. We went on a little
Speaker 4: hay ride. We bought pumpkins. Our stairs now outside our
Speaker 4: porch is just decorated with pumpkins like the Compton family.
Speaker 4: You'd be proud of your boy. I love that the
Speaker 4: whole family is embracing the spook. That fires me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. Just and literally JP showed me right
Speaker 1: outside his door. One stole a pumpkin. That's all you
Speaker 1: need is add just something that reminds you that.
Speaker 3: Oh, these people are appreciating the holiday season. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be created. Like my house is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It makes no sense.
Speaker 4: We have that many decorations.
Speaker 1: You could charge for tickets at your house. You dropped
Speaker 1: me off on Thursday. You said the same.
Speaker 4: Look at all the pumpkins going up in the trees
Speaker 4: and everything else, the scenes that are laid out, with
Speaker 4: all the skeletons.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you need to charge tickets in this place.
Speaker 1: I know I relate this.
Speaker 3: My one goal is to when my kids describe me
Speaker 3: when I'm gone, is that their dad took holidays way
Speaker 3: too serious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that should be on your gravestone. Calladay is
Speaker 4: way too serious. Love spoot over, love spoot over, especially
Speaker 4: spoot over. But yeah, man, Also, do you want to
Speaker 4: tell about the fan calling for locker room? Yeah, we'd
Speaker 4: love to talk about the fan calling. We have a
Speaker 4: special guest parlay call in this week. Amanda Vance. That's
Speaker 4: the the blonde. That's what a man is not not
Speaker 4: walking back. This is Mason Rudolph who DMed her during
Speaker 4: the game. Apparently found a way to DM or maybe
Speaker 4: I think so? How wild would that be? Just a
Speaker 4: halftime DM bios number one handicapper in the game. You
Speaker 4: love her Instagram, go check her out. But she's gonna
Speaker 4: be doing the fan calling this week for the Locker Room.
Speaker 4: If you want to submit and have a che it's
Speaker 4: an opportunity to be featured on the Locker Room. You
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Speaker 4: But we have a special calling this week.
Speaker 3: Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. I can't wait for this weekend, dude,
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be amazing. We got a big
Speaker 3: guest we're doing on Thursday at Chicago, then after that
Speaker 3: right to Oregon next week. Two boys to Nashville. Boys
Speaker 3: are getting after it, Alabama versus Tennessee. It's gonna be
Speaker 3: a great time. And Jelly Roll's album drops yes Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let give a round of applause for Jilly Roll Hume,
Speaker 3: the Boy, the Hommie.
Speaker 1: His biggest one yet.
Speaker 4: I think he's I saw him tweet It's the most
Speaker 4: music he's ever put out. That's awesome. He's really and
Speaker 4: he's been on a bunch of features that has just
Speaker 4: been killing it over and over and over again. Everywhere
Speaker 4: you go, everywhere you turn, when you turn on the TV.
Speaker 3: You're usually seeing Jilly Roll's face. He is taking this
Speaker 3: moment and he's making the most out of it. Could
Speaker 3: be more happy for Jolly Roll.
Speaker 1: He had a Yeah, he had a picture your boy too,
Speaker 1: who's that Travis Barker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, with ip Astrona for a second, but that and
Speaker 4: that didn't hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were doing backflips together.
Speaker 3: No shit, dude, with all your find Now he's with MGK,
Speaker 3: Travis Barker. Now like the photo MGK, Travis Barker and
Speaker 3: Jelly it's crazy he didn't face I mean that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he should have facetied me for that, because that is
Speaker 3: that's the music I love right there. Yeah, all on
Speaker 3: one photo. I am all about everything there. By the way,
Speaker 3: Travis Barker skin routine like.
Speaker 1: The kids age.
Speaker 4: Good for him? Yeah, incredible. All right, boys, our Halloween,
Speaker 4: our Halloween episode leave. We're trying to figure out what
Speaker 4: we're gonna be wearing on the show for the Halloween episode.
Speaker 4: We would love to give you guys the power to
Speaker 4: tell us in the comments what you would like us
Speaker 4: to dress up as for Halloween, and that's what Taylor
Speaker 4: and I will do. I don't know if it's gonna
Speaker 4: be the most like comment or the most like comments
Speaker 4: or whatever, but either way, help us figure out what
Speaker 4: are attires gonna be, what costume we're gonna wear, and
Speaker 4: the boy will be representing on the Halloween episode.
Speaker 1: Hamster died and that's it, dude.
Speaker 3: Let's get to the Connor Stallions. He's going to be
Speaker 3: here in about twenty minutes. We'll knock that out. I
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Speaker 4: Michigan man.
Speaker 3: We were talking before about a little little football, a
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Speaker 3: to their program, or how state has it, Michigan has,
Speaker 3: at Alabama, Georgia, all these Nebraska, all of them have
Speaker 3: these these crazy fans that live and die with their program.
Speaker 3: You are one of the five percent that actually made
Speaker 3: a difference in their program besides cheering on Saturdays. Is
Speaker 3: that Is that a fair way to put you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you.
Speaker 4: Take a lot of pride in that.
Speaker 1: I guess would Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: And that wasn't me saying crazy as like a shah
Speaker 3: or anything like that. It's just like all these big
Speaker 3: programs have these guys that like love, love Michigan, love Nebraska,
Speaker 3: like love all those things, and every one of those
Speaker 3: fans think to themselves, how can I help the school
Speaker 3: become better. And you literally had the traits and the
Speaker 3: abilities with your military background and your ability to break
Speaker 3: down all of these things that you watch in your
Speaker 3: documentary that you truly were able to help a team. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we gotta feel amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember exactly what game it was,
Speaker 1: but I remember the first time walking into the Big
Speaker 1: House through section fourteen at season tickets row row eighty three,
Speaker 1: see twenty six and twenty seven, walking in probably three
Speaker 1: four years old, just kind of told myself like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be down there one day.
Speaker 3: No way, and just kind of figured out your thing.
Speaker 1: I did with that end, stay mind.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited that you're on because again, like I,
Speaker 4: we got to play, We got to play at our schools,
Speaker 4: and there comes a time for everybody where that you
Speaker 4: have to retire, whether it's in middle school, high school, college, NFL, whoever.
Speaker 4: If you get to play a long time, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: But you understanding and figuring out like, Okay, I wasn't
Speaker 4: able to make it at this D one level. How
Speaker 4: can I carve out my own path a different route?
Speaker 4: And I feel like you're somebody who's been able to
Speaker 4: accomplish that. Yep, is that fair to say?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean that's why, you know, everyone goes to
Speaker 1: the nail, Okay, I mean to serve their country. But everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone has a different reason. And I just
Speaker 1: kind of well, every major successful head coach, legendary head
Speaker 1: coach you're talking like Bud Wilkinson at Oklahoma, Osborne, John Wooden,
Speaker 1: Greg Popovich, Coach k Woody, Hayes, bo schen Beckler, all
Speaker 1: had one thing in county, served in the military four
Speaker 1: to five years at least. So okay, they got to
Speaker 1: be onto something right, right. So and this is going
Speaker 1: through your brain, Well, yeah, this is early high school.
Speaker 1: I mean I always knew I wanted to coach at Michigan,
Speaker 1: and then when it came time to you know, okay,
Speaker 1: what exactly is the route? You know? I applied to me.
Speaker 1: I applied to two schools, Michigan and the Naval Academy,
Speaker 1: got accepted the Michigan, got waitlisted at the Naval Academy.
Speaker 1: So in my mind like okay, whatever, going to mission.
Speaker 1: And then got the call And it was actually about
Speaker 1: two weeks before last day of school senior year. I
Speaker 1: get a call Annapolis Maryland. I mean, I'm I'm in
Speaker 1: the middle of class. Well I better answer this one.
Speaker 1: So I answer it and said, whoever it is the
Speaker 1: Missions and the Naval Academy, do you have a minute.
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of class. So I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: let me call you back. So I call him back
Speaker 1: and said, oh, you've been accepted. So they actually they said,
Speaker 1: but we need a response right now because we've got
Speaker 1: to let the people behind you know. So in my mind,
Speaker 1: I just went back to all those coaches and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta do it. And so I said,
Speaker 1: all right, yep, I'm in. And then I call my
Speaker 1: parents and they work at the They teach at the
Speaker 1: middle school right down the road, so they, oh, come over,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. So I get there and they're like,
Speaker 1: so what are you thinking. I'm like, oh, I already
Speaker 1: told them, yeah no, and then just went from there.
Speaker 4: And you when did you decide you wanted to be
Speaker 4: like a head coach? Was like your your three years old.
Speaker 4: You didn't even care to play. You're like, I want
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, yeah I played. I played, but like
Speaker 1: I always so senior year. My dad's the eighth grade.
Speaker 1: It was the eighth grade football coach. His record against
Speaker 1: our rivals was like twenty one to zero to one
Speaker 1: in his career and uh yeah yeah. So I mean
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for them to build a statue at
Speaker 1: scripts middle school. But so my senior year, I didn't play.
Speaker 1: I just played. I always played basketball. And then I
Speaker 1: helped coach eighth grade football with him kind of like
Speaker 1: as de facto defensive coordinator. Yeah, and you know, just
Speaker 1: kind of went from there, and that was my first
Speaker 1: actual experience like truly coaching. And then student coach at
Speaker 1: the Naval Academy. Yeah, what was the action?
Speaker 4: Sorry, so go ahead. I was just to say.
Speaker 3: And then the documentary you kind of you say, you
Speaker 3: go into the coach's office and you're like, hey, I
Speaker 3: want to do this, and you're like all right, cool,
Speaker 3: go down, You're you're in. Was it that simple as
Speaker 3: far as being having a student coach?
Speaker 1: So I got my foot in the door doing just video,
Speaker 1: you know, like the you know film and practice and
Speaker 1: all that games. And so that was freshman year and
Speaker 1: then spring going into sophomore year. I mean I was
Speaker 1: always at the football facilities and the director of football
Speaker 1: apps just asked, you know, hey, you're here all the time,
Speaker 1: you want to you want to come upstairs and help out.
Speaker 1: So for about a week or two I was helping
Speaker 1: out with operations, and then I mean, I was like
Speaker 1: eighteenth time, didn't know any better. I just walked right
Speaker 1: into the head coach's office. So, hey, Coachnam, Hey Hunnor,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know he knew my name. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's awesome, one of the best people I've ever met.
Speaker 1: And I go, hey, coach, could I a student coach?
Speaker 1: And he think he stands up, he thinks about it,
Speaker 1: and he goes up follow me, brings me right into
Speaker 1: uh coach Shasper, the offensive coordinator's office, and says, hey, coach,
Speaker 1: here's your new student coach. Oh.
Speaker 4: Thanks, that's it.
Speaker 1: And then from the random any responsibility I had just
Speaker 1: treated it in my mind like I'm the head coach
Speaker 1: at Michigan right. Like it's like a psychology, you know,
Speaker 1: psychological thing where you know, you know, it's vision, like you,
Speaker 1: when you visualize you are what you're trying to be,
Speaker 1: then you convince your brain that you are right, and
Speaker 1: then all your habits are like that. So everything I did,
Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing I did at Michigan, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of skipping ahead here, but the first thing, the
Speaker 1: first assignment I had at Michigan was doing a wind
Speaker 1: report special teams. Every stadium, you know, every stadium we
Speaker 1: play in, we need a wind report. Yeah, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: do you have like a templative one that Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know where where we would I've
Speaker 1: seen one before, but you know, just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: start it and then I'll kind of redirect you if
Speaker 1: it's you know, not what we're thinking. And so all right,
Speaker 1: so I just became like a weatherman for a month.
Speaker 1: You're thinking of five days, probably about five days. And
Speaker 1: I give him this like eighteen page packet and it
Speaker 1: had like every kickoff, where it landed, and what the
Speaker 1: wind was that day in every stadium they played in
Speaker 1: that year, and I think they were like, what the
Speaker 1: heck is this?
Speaker 4: Like what have we got here? He's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be the best goddamn weather man they've ever seen it,
Speaker 4: ever see.
Speaker 1: And then it was the next task, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: you know, just I'm gonna be the best at whatever
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: There's the epitome of giving one hundred and at all times. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: When when did it start to like, you're at the
Speaker 4: Naval Academy, When did you start to like, how did
Speaker 4: you create your first opportunity outside of the Naval Academy.
Speaker 1: So sophomore year, spring break, I go to I go
Speaker 1: back home to Michigan and Coach Arba just got the
Speaker 1: job and they're doing this coaches clinic and Coach Partris
Speaker 1: at the time was the recruiting coordinator, so he ran
Speaker 1: the clinic and I went with some of my high
Speaker 1: school coaches and my dad, and I think like Mike
Speaker 1: Martz or someone big was speaking, so all eyes around him,
Speaker 1: and Mike Mike Martin, Mike.
Speaker 4: Martz, he's like the he was like a head coach
Speaker 4: for the Rams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was speaking, all eyes are on him.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to get my foot in the door.
Speaker 1: So I go down and talk to Coach Partridge and
Speaker 1: basically it was like, you know, hey, I'm here for
Speaker 1: a week. This was like Friday night or Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: like spring break just started, right, so you get the
Speaker 1: next nine days or whatever. And so I go and
Speaker 1: introduce myself and tell him, Hey, I'm here on spring break.
Speaker 1: I'm here for the week. I'd love to help out.
Speaker 1: You know, told him my name dropped a couple of
Speaker 1: people that I knew. He knew at Navies as a
Speaker 1: student coach with them, and you know, he probably thought, one,
Speaker 1: why the heck are you and Ann Arbor on spring break? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then too, you know, military Naval Academy student coaching. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll find something for you to do. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: just ran with it from there. And I think the
Speaker 1: wind report was that off season that was like the
Speaker 1: first in my mind, big project I had or whatever.
Speaker 1: And is there was there? Something?
Speaker 4: Was there? Something too? Leaving after your sophomore year, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, because you're obviously taking a you're
Speaker 4: taking a chance going and diving into this next opportunity
Speaker 4: with Michigan.
Speaker 1: Well, I was doing both. So I was. I was
Speaker 1: a student at Navy. I did my four years at
Speaker 1: the Naval cabin and then my fifth year I was
Speaker 1: a temporary assigned duty. It's like a grad assistant with
Speaker 1: the football team because I don't have a post grad school, right,
Speaker 1: So I student coach. So I wasn't at every single
Speaker 1: Michigan game. Yeah, during my four years at Navy, because
Speaker 1: I was at every Navy game. Okay, we had a
Speaker 1: bye week or spring break or in the summer and
Speaker 1: I had time to go home or whatever. That's when
Speaker 1: I would help out. And then when I got so,
Speaker 1: I graduated in seventeen, go to uh you know, so
Speaker 1: now I'm a Marine Corps officer. Do maybe five or
Speaker 1: six months as like a GA with the Navy football team,
Speaker 1: and then I go do my Marine Corps training and
Speaker 1: I think the station in California at that point when
Speaker 1: I'm no longer with Navy football, that's when I was
Speaker 1: then flying back and forth helping out Michigan. And then
Speaker 1: I was at like pretty much every game. So that
Speaker 1: started in like twenty eighteen, and.
Speaker 4: You were helping the coaching staff. Yeah, during that time
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 1: So it started when I was at Camp La June
Speaker 1: in North Carolina for a few months training and then
Speaker 1: station in California. So you know, they kind of touched
Speaker 1: down in the documentary. I would when I was in California,
Speaker 1: I would live, well, I started, I started sleeping on
Speaker 1: my couch and I rented out all the rooms in
Speaker 1: my house to make money and you know, say money
Speaker 1: to back and forth and all that.
Speaker 8: And and then I realized, well, I live like fifty five
Speaker 8: minutes north of Camp Pendleton, So why am I driving
Speaker 8: back and forth just to sleep on my couch.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sleep in my car. So I slept
Speaker 1: at the I five South rest stop right outside Camp
Speaker 1: Pendleton every day for like two years, no shit, yep,
Speaker 1: every day saved two hours, like an hour driving north,
Speaker 1: an hour driving south. That's gas, that's everything. You're saving money,
Speaker 1: you're saving time. So that's two more hours of watching film.
Speaker 4: Dude, I love it. It's like, yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, very very few people are
Speaker 4: willing to sacrifice.
Speaker 3: Right, And it's also like people like oh, he was
Speaker 3: such a big fan of Michigan, like anybody who wants
Speaker 3: to be successful, Like, these are the kind of sacrifices.
Speaker 4: You should make in the beginning of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: to get these things going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're flying, you're flying back and forth. I'm
Speaker 1: flying back and forth. So yeah, say I get back
Speaker 1: from arbor wherever we're playing. And so yeah, Sunday night,
Speaker 1: get back, lax, drive down, pick up my laundry which
Speaker 1: I put in over the weekend, and then drive down,
Speaker 1: stay at the rest up, wake up, you know, five am, whatever,
Speaker 1: workout on base, work work ends, I'm watching film, go
Speaker 1: to the rest, stop sleep, do the same thing for
Speaker 1: you know, four days. And then Friday after work, drive
Speaker 1: up to my house in Orange County, do my laundry,
Speaker 1: drive up to lax Fly to take the Red Eyes.
Speaker 1: There's always a So twenty twenty, twenty nineteen, and twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one because COVID, you know, I couldn't go to games.
Speaker 1: So twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, every single game
Speaker 1: was off, no sleep.
Speaker 4: No shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, took the Red Eye land wherever we are. It's
Speaker 1: like sometimes, you know, we'd be playing like Illinois, so
Speaker 1: I'd have to fly into Indianapolis, rent a car, drive
Speaker 1: over to Illinois, drive back, and then I would hit
Speaker 1: the can the City Chiefs game on my way back
Speaker 1: to my boy. Frank was his first Chiefs and so
Speaker 1: Frank Clark. Yeah. So my it's at twenty nineteen. We
Speaker 1: lost Alabama and the Citrus Bowl, and the season ends,
Speaker 1: and I'm already kind of going to Chiefs games whenever
Speaker 1: it's convenient. I I'm my flight back and so Michigan
Speaker 1: football is done now for the season. And so I'm thinking, like, well,
Speaker 1: what do I do with myself right outside of the
Speaker 1: Marine Corps? What do I do? So I just started
Speaker 1: breaking down film for Frank and interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen, you got the right before two teams that
Speaker 3: played in the AC Championship that there.
Speaker 1: Were two teams that played in the FC Championship that year.
Speaker 4: And Frank, first off, that's we're doing good so far.
Speaker 4: He texted me, He's like, have this clip ready because
Speaker 4: I got a fun store with Taylor for this.
Speaker 1: That's the fun story that you're like, Yeah, You're like,
Speaker 1: Frank Clark, hold on.
Speaker 4: Go back, Let's break this. We're gonna if we're gonna
Speaker 4: do this, let's break down now one up time? Can
Speaker 4: he say what his.
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: I want to point out that Frank told me at
Speaker 3: the ben of game I'm gonna get a sack on you.
Speaker 3: Right now, it's the fourth quarter of a minute twenty eight,
Speaker 3: we're down by eleven. He has not had a sack.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's even had a pressure. So maybe
Speaker 3: your scouting port wasn't that great.
Speaker 1: But we'll get into this anyway. Can't be with the
Speaker 1: half spin.
Speaker 3: We see it. We handle it now. I want you
Speaker 3: to pause it.
Speaker 4: No, no, keep going.
Speaker 3: Now, okay, that is nine yards from the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: We gotta step up, we gotta step up, we gotta
Speaker 3: step up, right right, boys, you gotta step up in
Speaker 3: the pocket now Chris Jones can't.
Speaker 1: Step up, So go ahead. What was your scattering report?
Speaker 1: So so I'm breaking down film.
Speaker 4: I want to hear the break.
Speaker 1: And it was not as detailed for on you as
Speaker 1: it was the next game in the Super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: like for example here here is it was very you know,
Speaker 1: I only I took one day, right, I'm still a
Speaker 1: Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: Is that it's kind of important on the Titans?
Speaker 1: Or is that that one's on the Titans? The next
Speaker 1: one slide right? That is the Super Bowl? That was
Speaker 1: way more detailed, And that was like that was really
Speaker 1: dialed for that one. I just watched filing. You know,
Speaker 1: I got the what's the NFL game pass? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the premium two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is your this is your work I
Speaker 1: do for Frank. Yeah. So so, and that's how I
Speaker 1: met Frank's agent.
Speaker 4: When Tanehill kills her audibles, if he's under center, thirteen
Speaker 4: runs to one pass, he's if he's in gun kills
Speaker 4: or audibles seven pass to one run Yeah.
Speaker 1: Connor.
Speaker 4: The screen Yeah, text that to Connor.
Speaker 1: That is wild.
Speaker 4: So you you're doing this.
Speaker 1: The super Bowl one. So so like I I didn't
Speaker 1: get into details on your hand placement or foot placement
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but for the Super Bowl I did.
Speaker 1: And so I'm up in the nosebleeds at the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and I every single play and calling run past
Speaker 1: to myself out they're about the wrong, They're about the past.
Speaker 1: And you're from section you know, five fifty two or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you were Frank Oh in the Super Bowl every play, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could you could tell off the off their hand place.
Speaker 1: I mean, did you did you see? Yeah? Let me
Speaker 1: let me uh look at this one. Who they played
Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl San France, Sam So it was
Speaker 1: uh Joe Staley and Michael Glinchy And like you can
Speaker 1: zoom in on that one, it was one hundred percent
Speaker 1: get tells. It was one hundred percent tells.
Speaker 3: Foot out, ninety pass, foot in under run, Michael Glinchy
Speaker 3: three point stance, fourteen and sixteen run foot in five
Speaker 3: out of five on foot out one all right, pass
Speaker 3: fifty percent past.
Speaker 4: Three point stance.
Speaker 1: It's dude, this is.
Speaker 4: Terrifying. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: This is hand together.
Speaker 4: Two out of three pass No way, what.
Speaker 1: Was he pull up? Frank flank Clark's stat line. So
Speaker 1: let me let me say this before. I mean, I
Speaker 1: already know this. The only person in the history of
Speaker 1: football to have the game winning or game ceiling sack
Speaker 1: in every single playoff game from Divisional round to Super
Speaker 1: Bowl is Frank Clark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the coverage second.
Speaker 1: I mean he's got the clutch gene. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: he got paid. He's a he's a he's a dude,
Speaker 1: Joe Staley.
Speaker 4: When he's in a three point stance, five out of
Speaker 4: six were run. If his hands are apart, fifteen out
Speaker 4: of sixteen were a run hands together, it was passed.
Speaker 4: I mean that's yeah, because are details where everybody kind
Speaker 4: of finds our edge within the game. Obviously, if you're
Speaker 4: a genetic specimen to go with it, it makes.
Speaker 1: It that much more difficult, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Okay, So twenty nineteen, where is the Michigan Manifesto at
Speaker 4: this point?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is it alive? Yeah? Here the manfest?
Speaker 4: So take me even last year when when everything was happening.
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, there's a manifesto, Like even if
Speaker 4: he's done the matter, I'm sure he knows exactly who
Speaker 4: talks it about him the entire he's got a manifesto
Speaker 4: on people that Yes, uh.
Speaker 1: No, I know exactly how that how that leaked. I
Speaker 1: know exactly who leaked it. I'm not I'm not gonna say,
Speaker 1: but but when I when I saw and here's here's
Speaker 1: how I know. Because the article said something about six
Speaker 1: hundred page Michigan Manifesto. Six hundred pages that was in
Speaker 1: like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: How big is it not to be thousands by? Do
Speaker 4: you have it in like a hard hard copy?
Speaker 1: Now? So that's that's the thing, like an old Testament book.
Speaker 1: So I have the I have the original like how
Speaker 1: it started, So this is what happened. So okay, go
Speaker 1: to the Naval Academy and you know I always go
Speaker 1: back to those legendary head coaches, right, they all have
Speaker 1: that that one thing in common military. Right. So my
Speaker 1: freshman year, I'm like, well, wow, you know this is
Speaker 1: I'm going to learn a lot, a lot, and I
Speaker 1: need to have a place to organize everything I learned.
Speaker 1: I can't let one little thing slip by. And you
Speaker 1: know a lot of people when they take notes, they
Speaker 1: take notes whatever, and then it just they just stack notes,
Speaker 1: and how do you know where to reference? You know, Oh,
Speaker 1: I remember that one thing I read in that book?
Speaker 1: What what was that book? It was about? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: it was about hiring and firing personnel? What book was it?
Speaker 1: And then you go through all your notes and it
Speaker 1: takes you, you know, two weeks before you find the
Speaker 1: quote or whatever it was that that you're to think of. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So I used the military the way that the military
Speaker 1: organizes everything as like my foundation for how I'm going
Speaker 1: to organize my notes. And it started off as a
Speaker 1: binder and then that got too big, and then I
Speaker 1: needed something electronically, so it went to a Microsoft word document.
Speaker 1: And then I realized, well, I need to be able
Speaker 1: to capture any thought or any idea at any time.
Speaker 1: I can only do a word document if I have
Speaker 1: my specific laptop. So then it translated to a Google doc.
Speaker 1: So now I can do it for my phone from anywhere.
Speaker 1: I can do it from right now. You give me
Speaker 1: a great quote, pull up my phone, type it in.
Speaker 1: It's in the manifesto. I know exactly where it is,
Speaker 1: So any you have, you could right now mention any thought,
Speaker 1: any concept of anything, all the way from leadership to
Speaker 1: the x's and o's of the game to you know,
Speaker 1: equipment at anything, and I'll be able to a quote
Speaker 1: or pull something if you had like, hey, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on uh, you know, firing personnel. Well, I
Speaker 1: have probably fifteen to twenty pages of notes on that,
Speaker 1: and I know exactly where it is, and it's super organized.
Speaker 1: It's just notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's notes, but it goes into a Google doc.
Speaker 3: And then later in the documentary you talk about signs
Speaker 3: and all that. When did the manifesto evolve into seeing
Speaker 3: these signs and being to.
Speaker 1: Break down You're talking about just deciphering signals in a game?
Speaker 4: Right, it is a manifesto part of that or these
Speaker 4: two That was just my That was my first Navy
Speaker 4: So your first major task was was with j.
Speaker 1: Naval Kate maybe football. So you know, I'm student coaching
Speaker 1: now and we're a week from game day and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: wait what do I do on game day? Right? And
Speaker 1: this applies to me at Michigan too, And I started
Speaker 1: helping out, so like, really in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: there's no job description for me because I'm not an employee, right,
Speaker 1: I'm just volunteering. I'm a volunteer student coach at Navy.
Speaker 1: And then I was a volunteer assistant at Michigan, So
Speaker 1: there's no job description. Why would you have a job
Speaker 1: description for a role that you don't even have? And
Speaker 1: then you know, I just kind of get my foot
Speaker 1: in the door and work my way in. So at
Speaker 1: both places. It started a Navy, I just say, so
Speaker 1: what do I do on game day? And I forget
Speaker 1: who it was, but one of the coaches said, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, let me look into it. But I
Speaker 1: remember last year we had a guy he just graduated,
Speaker 1: who tried deciphering signals, you know, opponent signals in game
Speaker 1: and I knew nothing about it. You know, I never
Speaker 1: did that in high school. I don't know, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I went in with the steet of paper, a
Speaker 1: clipboard and a pen and our first game at Ohio
Speaker 1: State and UH just started. You know that that was
Speaker 1: the birth. And they talked about the documentary. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite quotes the yeah, so well, I gotta be.
Speaker 1: I am one of the dumber people at the Naval Academy.
Speaker 1: I mean I was like the last person get accepted
Speaker 1: pretty much, right, Uh, And I strugg I mean it's
Speaker 1: very very difficult, very difficult. But I'm like, well, these
Speaker 1: are eighteen nineteen twenty year old kids in Columbus, like
Speaker 1: I gotta be able to if they if they know
Speaker 1: there's signals, I can figure out their signals.
Speaker 4: So it's a personal challenge.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was like a yeah, and it's Ohio States,
Speaker 1: So right, you know.
Speaker 3: How long how how long in that game did you
Speaker 3: start to thige drives?
Speaker 4: Three drives?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 4: Okay, can you break that down for me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't remember, you know, I don't remember
Speaker 1: exactly right. You know the play. I think they ran
Speaker 1: it d memory. It's been a lot of games since then.
Speaker 1: But I just remember, you know, both sides of the ball,
Speaker 1: whatever I could get, And I just remember getting their
Speaker 1: offensive signals pretty early and just not knowing what to
Speaker 1: do with the information, so I would just yell it out.
Speaker 1: And because you know, there wasn't like a structure, no
Speaker 1: one knew who I was. Like, I'm two weeks into
Speaker 1: being a student coach, like they're not. They don't know
Speaker 1: who I am. Like the OC knew who I was,
Speaker 1: but he's up in the booth, and like the director
Speaker 1: of football ops knew who I was. That was pretty
Speaker 1: much it in the players. But so I'm just yelling
Speaker 1: like power left, power left, you know who's this? It'd
Speaker 1: be power left and the next play with you know
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and it's you know, you just gotta
Speaker 1: have a knack for it. But it's it's not rocket science,
Speaker 1: it's signals.
Speaker 4: Still, you're you're in such a spot to where again
Speaker 4: you don't have like a job title, you don't have
Speaker 4: a description, like you're in such a militant law of
Speaker 4: attraction success like I'm going to provide as much value
Speaker 4: as I possibly fucking can so that way they can't
Speaker 4: ignore me. Yes, and then you when when's the when's this?
Speaker 4: When is the point to where it starts to turn
Speaker 4: to where you're now becoming a valuable asset that they're
Speaker 4: leaning on just in you, just in your own role,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's like, Okay, you're doing
Speaker 4: the weather, then you're getting whatever. The next thing is
Speaker 4: either one either one.
Speaker 3: They maybe maybe ever recognize you for like, hey, this
Speaker 3: guy's really picking up signals, he's understanding he this really
Speaker 3: gives us an edge.
Speaker 1: Well well yeah, because they had a breakdown, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's you know what I say this too,
Speaker 1: Like even at Michigan this last year before I was suspended, UH,
Speaker 1: signals was like ten to fifteen percent of my job,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, it's that's just one
Speaker 1: responsibility that I did. H You're still you know, breaking
Speaker 1: down film, getting formation tendencies, you know, stuff like stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Right yeah, And I mean there's a I'm
Speaker 1: gonna skip ahead right now. It's on my mind. The
Speaker 1: best team to ever protect their signals was East Carolina
Speaker 1: last year, first game, and they I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get into details on exactly what they did to protect
Speaker 1: because I don't want to out them. Right now, they're
Speaker 1: probably still using it because it's it's pretty legit. But
Speaker 1: it took me two and a half quarters to figure
Speaker 1: out which signaler was live. That's the longest it's ever
Speaker 1: taken me. Yep. And it was week one, so it's
Speaker 1: brand new signals, right, So I pretty much go into
Speaker 1: the blank Street paper and I had a good idea
Speaker 1: of how to tell who's live, but they like flipped
Speaker 1: it from the year before. And I also did one
Speaker 1: of the formation breakdowns for our defense, so I knew,
Speaker 1: for example, every time it's two by two four removed,
Speaker 1: so no tight end in the core, and their only
Speaker 1: run out of that formation was quarterback draw. And I'm
Speaker 1: fast forward, like the fourth quarter right now, we're up
Speaker 1: thirty to nothing, and I'm watching there. I now know
Speaker 1: who's live, and I see him signal the two by
Speaker 1: two formation, and then I see one signal. It was
Speaker 1: like alpha with his hand. And usually I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys understand play calls, right, like so Bard association. So
Speaker 1: if there's a formation and then one word, chances are
Speaker 1: it's not a pass, right because you have a pass protection.
Speaker 1: And then the concept.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, like if a huddle breaks really quickly, you're like, okay,
Speaker 4: it's probably run here. But if the quarterbacks in there
Speaker 4: looking around anywhere else, You're.
Speaker 1: Like, all right, he's tagging receivers and all that. And
Speaker 1: then also a lot of runs still have some tags
Speaker 1: to it, right, So only one word, I'm thinking drawer screen,
Speaker 1: So and then this all goes on. This goes on
Speaker 1: in my head in like a second right, So I
Speaker 1: see the two x two like doubles formation, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, and then I see one signal.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, that's got to be drawer screen. I
Speaker 1: would think it was second in. I think it was
Speaker 1: like second and five and it was two minutes, so
Speaker 1: but in my mind, I'm like, this isn't really a
Speaker 1: draw situation. But then I also remembered twenty nineteen Penn State,
Speaker 1: same signal was their quarterback draw, and that's the only
Speaker 1: time I've ever seen that signal. And I remember the breakdown.
Speaker 1: I did quarterback draw out of that formation, So I
Speaker 1: think you can see it because coach Mentor was the
Speaker 1: interim head coach of that game, and they happen to
Speaker 1: be showing him and I'm like behind him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think this is draw, and so we're yelling draw, draw, draw,
Speaker 1: which is one of the words feelings when you say
Speaker 1: I think it's something and then everyone yeah. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh god, this better be yeah, better hit yeah uh,
Speaker 1: And it was a draw, but they I mean, they
Speaker 1: still converted first down. But it's just like that's how
Speaker 1: many things have to go into it, right, Like it's
Speaker 1: not just like, look at the signal. It's not this
Speaker 1: like black and white thing. A lot of times I'm
Speaker 1: kinda yeah, I think this is what it is. And
Speaker 1: and you know, so kind of how how it works
Speaker 1: on game day is in my mind, I have a
Speaker 1: threshold where if I am not ninety five percent certain,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying a word. And I got to take
Speaker 1: a step back for this. All that makes sense. So
Speaker 1: in college football, right, we're gonna get into some some
Speaker 1: really good details here.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, so so college football the culture has
Speaker 1: always been to go up tempo ever since the mid
Speaker 1: two thousands. Right, you don't see many teams at huddle. NFL.
Speaker 1: The culture is obviously to huddle. And I'm gonna kind
Speaker 1: of mix last year to present day now because of
Speaker 1: the whole new quarterback coms rule and everyone assumes that, oh,
Speaker 1: signaling is over. Signaling is picked up now. And to
Speaker 1: understand that, you have to understand the history of signals.
Speaker 1: You know, just how it works. And the reason signals
Speaker 1: exist is because of up tempo. It's not because there's
Speaker 1: no quarterback comes. It's because offenses like to go up tempo. Right,
Speaker 1: I have not watched a disclaimer. I have not watched
Speaker 1: Ole Miss in Tennessee all that much this year, but
Speaker 1: I would assume they're still going up tempo. I don't
Speaker 1: see a world in which all these teams that are
Speaker 1: like snapping the ball with thirty seconds up in the
Speaker 1: play clock are huddling all because they have coach to
Speaker 1: quarterback comes now right, So they're going up tempo, which
Speaker 1: forces the defense to signal right. You can't huddle as
Speaker 1: a defense if the offense is spread out right, they'll
Speaker 1: just snap and throw it over your head if you're
Speaker 1: in a huddle. So signaling will always exist as much
Speaker 1: as offensive coordinators wanted to want it to exist, and
Speaker 1: signal stealing has been more prevalent with offenses stealing defensive signals.
Speaker 1: So going back to twenty eighteen twenty nineteen with Michigan,
Speaker 1: our defense was getting our signal stall and left and
Speaker 1: right teams like Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana, so on,
Speaker 1: pretty much the whole, the whole big tent. Probably Nebraska, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Probably, I mean, yeah, you're you're not wrong, because it's
Speaker 4: everyone simplicity.
Speaker 1: That's like Iowa and Michigan State is everyone else state?
Speaker 1: I don't think so because they were the worst of protecting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say, for simplicity, for
Speaker 3: you to say that about Michigan State, you're saying that
Speaker 3: the worst of protecting.
Speaker 1: If you are protecting, you're probably not stealing, right, Like
Speaker 1: if you if you're good and stealing, you know what
Speaker 1: it takes to protect. So the teams that were really
Speaker 1: good at protecting you, well you can also look they
Speaker 1: got a guy just like me. Right, They just they
Speaker 1: didn't the media didn't go crazy about their guys, right,
Speaker 1: But everyone has a guy.
Speaker 3: Everyone has a connor. Yeah, some things have multiple conners,
Speaker 3: oh a lot. Well, we'll definitely get into that. Let's
Speaker 3: keep let's keep breaking. That is obviously a huge thing.
Speaker 1: So so we're getting our signal stolen left and right.
Speaker 4: And that's because of the tempo you guys are facing.
Speaker 4: And it's just simply.
Speaker 1: Because you know, and and just football in general, right, like,
Speaker 1: whether it's covering up issues as a play caller or
Speaker 1: personnel issues, whatever it is, you can always utilize and
Speaker 1: manipulate tempo to give you an advantage to regain that advantage, right,
Speaker 1: And a lot of times, and especially in a world
Speaker 1: where everyone's signaling you can even force the defense to
Speaker 1: signal before you signal. Maybe not force, right, because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you know what's going on,
Speaker 1: it's it's just a cat and mouse game. You just
Speaker 1: wait until they signal and just calling out on their bluff.
Speaker 4: And just to your defense too, like if a being
Speaker 4: a defender, if an offense is tempoing you, the coordinator
Speaker 4: will kind of tell you before the game. Hey, if
Speaker 4: they start tempoing us, there'll only be like two or
Speaker 4: three calls that.
Speaker 1: They go to correct.
Speaker 4: So you're almost understanding the tendency before it happens.
Speaker 1: But also, uh, you know they can tempo and then
Speaker 1: hard count mm hmm. Right, So just to get whatever
Speaker 1: you're in. Maybe you showed blitz or maybe you showed
Speaker 1: your safety shell, or you showed too high, whatever it is, right,
Speaker 1: they you know, they get the line quick and they
Speaker 1: get you to kind of tell real quick, and then
Speaker 1: they call their play and they expose it. Right they
Speaker 1: Oh they cover four, let's call cover four, beater. Oh,
Speaker 1: hey they're bringing the nickel, they're dropping the buck. Let's
Speaker 1: let's throw a slant, you know, to the slot right away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And so yeah, that was happening to us.
Speaker 1: And so in twenty twenty one, the big change was
Speaker 1: So when coach McDonald got the job, he asked, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, he's new, he's been in the NFL coming
Speaker 1: back to college and he goes, hey, you know, what's
Speaker 1: how do we protect our signals? And I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, well, it's a cat and mouse game. You
Speaker 1: got to think of it like it's like red light
Speaker 1: green light. If I'm watching them signal and I am
Speaker 1: not talking, that means they have not signaled, So don't signal,
Speaker 1: because then we're the mouse. You just have to wait
Speaker 1: for them to begin signaling. So, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: not the sexy thing everyone wants to hear, but ninety
Speaker 1: nine times out of one hundred, they already know what
Speaker 1: they're calling no matter what. They just want to have
Speaker 1: the green light to call it so their signal doesn't
Speaker 1: get stolen. Right, So usually in game, I'm looking look
Speaker 1: and I'm looking and if I say, like, hey, trips,
Speaker 1: why flex? You know the formation? Maybe I say like
Speaker 1: why across to trips? Why flex? Which here's usual signals
Speaker 1: for like why across? Like why across trips? Why? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, like it's anyone could could see that and
Speaker 1: just say, hey, this is this is what the formation is.
Speaker 1: Usually he's calling the play just like that, right, So
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not like the coordinator was waiting
Speaker 1: for like, hey, is it going to be a run?
Speaker 1: Is it going to be a pass? It's it's more
Speaker 1: like he's Mike McDonald is a very successful college football
Speaker 1: coach and now NFL head coach. Right, Jesse Mentor is
Speaker 1: what are the Chargers are giving up the fewest points
Speaker 1: in the NFL?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right, So these guys get paid to do what
Speaker 1: they do. They're not listening. They're not like calling their
Speaker 1: defense waiting for me. I'm just a green light to
Speaker 1: basically tell then, hey, you have permission to signal without
Speaker 1: getting stolen, and and that is kind of where it
Speaker 1: picked up in twenty one, where we were now no
Speaker 1: longer the mouse. It was all even playing field essentially,
Speaker 1: and what teams will do though, like Ohio State and
Speaker 1: I got a hole, we might I got a whole
Speaker 1: breakdown on every single play from twenty eighteen to present day, Michigan,
Speaker 1: Ohio State.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, from twenty eighteen to present day, a whole
Speaker 3: breakdown of Ohio States.
Speaker 1: When when Ohio State's on offense and we're on defense,
Speaker 1: and I categorized, I watched every play on film and
Speaker 1: I categorized it, who's the mouse, who's the cat? And
Speaker 1: then sometimes it's just neutral the wash you out, yep,
Speaker 1: and here we go. So in twenty eighteen, Ohio State
Speaker 1: was the cat every play because they're picking us apart
Speaker 1: signal wise, right, and yeah, they're running mess every time
Speaker 1: we're in cover one. They're running meshrail every time we're
Speaker 1: blitz in. They happened being max protection. Take a shot
Speaker 1: every time we're in zone they run the ball, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a coincidence. I'm watching them. They
Speaker 1: have their me in you know, Ryan Daysier, and we signal,
Speaker 1: they talk. I see it. We talked, but we signaled first.
Speaker 1: So were the mouse, right, and and then so that
Speaker 1: happened in twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, So they were the
Speaker 1: cat every play those two games. They averaged eight eight
Speaker 1: point one five yards per play in twenty eighteen and
Speaker 1: eight yards were playing twenty nineteen, and they had fifteen
Speaker 1: touchdowns in those two games. Okay, twenty twenty one, they
Speaker 1: were It was a stalemate seventy two times. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's like they're signaling, and then we start to signal
Speaker 1: right after they start to signal. Okay, they were the
Speaker 1: cat three times. And here's how I categorize them being
Speaker 1: the cat when they had a play called. So it
Speaker 1: starts off as a stalemate, and then Ryan Day gets CJ.
Speaker 1: Stroud's attention last second because he sees what we're in.
Speaker 1: Maybe they got our signal, maybe they see our show,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and they change the play right before
Speaker 1: the snap. Okay, that's them being the cat, so our
Speaker 1: signals last ye and then they were the mouse every
Speaker 1: time they hard counted that game. Here's why in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty nineteen, every time they hard counted and
Speaker 1: then looked at the sideline, we already had our signal
Speaker 1: called and we never changed it. So I mean they
Speaker 1: exposure right right right, so they know that the zone
Speaker 1: man twenty twenty one, I know their heart counts signal,
Speaker 1: so I know when they're going to hard count, so
Speaker 1: we don't have to show a blitzer or whatnot. They
Speaker 1: stole they stole the wrong signal because we would change
Speaker 1: our call.
Speaker 4: And do you know who Ryan Days Conor Stallions is yeah.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna out here. Yeah you should as
Speaker 1: you should have.
Speaker 4: But we know he's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he good at his job? Yes, very Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when they were the mouse, actually i'll start with
Speaker 1: when they're the cat. When they were the cat, so
Speaker 1: they they changed the play late three times, they averaged
Speaker 1: nine point three yards per play. When it was a stalemate,
Speaker 1: they averaged five point three yards per play. They did
Speaker 1: score three touchdowns. It's seventy two plays, so that's the
Speaker 1: majority of the game. Right When they were the mouse,
Speaker 1: they only averaged four yards per play six times.
Speaker 3: And you said there were seventy two total plays or
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 1: Seventy they were the stalemate, so it was eighty one
Speaker 1: total plays, gotcha. And yeah, you see, when they're the cat,
Speaker 1: they averaged the most yards per play all the way down.
Speaker 1: When they're the mouse, it's they're not they're not doing much.
Speaker 1: So their first the twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen they
Speaker 1: hard counted forty times. You can go back and watch
Speaker 1: the film. They hard counted forty times twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: six because it wasn't working right, because they couldn't steal
Speaker 1: our signal, in their hard count it because we just
Speaker 1: basically played this cat and mouse game with them and
Speaker 1: didn't allow them to to be the mouse or to
Speaker 1: be the cat every time.
Speaker 3: When you're explaining this cat and mouse game to the coaches,
Speaker 3: how receptive were they to, Hey, you.
Speaker 1: Gotta very Mike McDonald is amazing. Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: he's one of the smartest people I've been around. An
Speaker 1: elite coach, right. He also empowered everyone. He's a great
Speaker 1: leader and he would listen. So, I mean, it couldn't
Speaker 1: have been any better having him there. He was. It
Speaker 1: was huge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 1: Is so basically he just you know, hey, I'm the DC.
Speaker 1: I want to call the plays and focus on that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get my signal stolen. Can you
Speaker 1: help me? Yeah, just you know, wait till it's a
Speaker 1: green light. Okay, thanks.
Speaker 4: Outside of the signal stuff, what situations were you in
Speaker 4: charge of breaking down?
Speaker 1: Well, in twenty one, I was still in the Marine Corps, okay,
Speaker 1: so I was That's when I was flying back and forth.
Speaker 1: So I mean I just showed up on game day okay,
Speaker 1: and helped out twenty two when I get hired, you know,
Speaker 1: recruiting and then recruiting signals and and then it involved
Speaker 1: into helping out with the linebackers. Okay, nice formation breakdowns.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I'm so fascinated, Like this is incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you want me to keep going, this
Speaker 1: Ohio State thing. They weren't the cat one play in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two in Columbus, and they averaged six yards
Speaker 1: per play, and then when they stole the wrong signal
Speaker 1: because they hard counted, uh, they averaged five yards per play.
Speaker 1: They scored one touchdown each in those situations. But it's funny.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a video someone sent me of It's
Speaker 1: like me by coach into twenty twenty two and Columbus
Speaker 1: and some guy like is doing this breakdown. Sam, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: run right, run right?
Speaker 4: Oh you talk about where all eleven players just ran?
Speaker 4: Do we have that clip that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like, First of all, I'm saying Nike,
Speaker 1: because that's what we called an opponent's heard count Nike.
Speaker 1: And you can see the Nike board go up behind me.
Speaker 1: We have a board in Nike basically tolling our you know,
Speaker 1: safeties like don't show a shell. They're trying to steal
Speaker 1: our signal right now, right right, and be ready for
Speaker 1: us to change the call. So if they look, we're
Speaker 1: going to change our call to make make sure they
Speaker 1: stole the wrong sign.
Speaker 4: This is the clip what we're talking about right here.
Speaker 1: No, that was after one of their heart counts. You
Speaker 1: see heart counts right there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Nike signed behind it.
Speaker 1: And we had the Nike sign right. But there's a
Speaker 1: different one where like some guy does this breakdown and
Speaker 1: like he's trying to like read my lips and he says,
Speaker 1: he's saying, run right, run right, that's what he's saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying right, but I'm saying Nike, Nike. And by
Speaker 1: the way, the run was to the left, because it's
Speaker 1: from the defense's perspective, right, Like, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: it's a run of the right when they run it
Speaker 1: to our left, but yes, I say Nike, And then
Speaker 1: you can see them hard count. Look, they just stole
Speaker 1: whatever we just signaled.
Speaker 3: And the video in the group chat, Yeah, we'll pull
Speaker 3: that up for sure, because there's you see so many
Speaker 3: of these clips and videos of you and you're saying
Speaker 3: something to somebody and everyone wants to freak out over it.
Speaker 1: Out but I'm actually protecting our signals. That's the whole
Speaker 1: point of what I was saying. I'm telling our coordinator
Speaker 1: they are hard counting. Call a play. You don't want
Speaker 1: to call because they're gonna they're trying to steal our signal.
Speaker 1: So this is the clip right here.
Speaker 4: Yes, they're saying Nike, Nike.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can see me say twin, why Twin, why Nike?
Speaker 1: And there goes the Nike board. You saw it go up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and you see Ohio State hard count. So now
Speaker 1: they're all looking at the sideline. Now they're signaling, and
Speaker 1: then we call our other place. So they just stole
Speaker 1: the wrong signal and it goes for no yards.
Speaker 4: Everybody, they're feasting break down the it's just tight end screen.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I want to say the Houston, Texas heat stover.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And he said essentially like it's a formation we've never
Speaker 4: done it out of, We've never ran this play out of.
Speaker 4: And he was beside himself on figuring out how you
Speaker 4: guys need that clip too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Insane, incredible awareness by the defense and understanding that it
Speaker 4: was a screen. Guys just in the film room.
Speaker 1: Uh So, I don't remember what formation it was out
Speaker 1: of But can we.
Speaker 4: Pull that clip up before you explain it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, just scroll up that one right there. Did they
Speaker 4: show the play?
Speaker 1: No, they don't, but we could. We could pull it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, see yeah, trying to type. Yeah, I'm thinking
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: I had to be first half, first quarter because they're
Speaker 1: going the same direction around the twenty five thirty yard line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: somewhere in there. Who was right in front of us?
Speaker 1: It was into the boundary in front of you.
Speaker 3: Yes, correct, we're getting to you called this play that
Speaker 3: they had not run before, but you were able to
Speaker 3: decipher it. Is this one of your top five calls?
Speaker 1: It is like, is this like a top fired? Though
Speaker 1: it backfired? They get c J. Stroud turned around and
Speaker 1: everyone was right there, and he scrambled and got it
Speaker 1: first down or at least got significant yards. Frank's facetiming
Speaker 1: me right now twenty two He answer it, dude. Frank
Speaker 1: was a war daddy at Michigan. Frank, we're on the
Speaker 1: bus right now. What are you doing?
Speaker 4: What are you going to take house for?
Speaker 1: What you doing?
Speaker 4: That's awesome and well I hope you're doing well, brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jump after yeah, say you all love that's funny.
Speaker 1: I already gave him a shout out. Yeah, no doubt
Speaker 1: that tight end screen. Yes whatever the formation said. You know,
Speaker 1: here's the thing they Ohio State had like eight signalers,
Speaker 1: eight signalers all year something like that, and everyone signals
Speaker 1: the formation. Mistake number one, Like, I don't need to
Speaker 1: know who's life to see what the formation. Anyone can
Speaker 1: see that. Uh. Mistake number two, They never changed who
Speaker 1: their live signaler was the entire season. So I guess
Speaker 1: their condor stallions. Isn't that good? Then? Apparently not as good.
Speaker 4: They didn't do it.
Speaker 1: They didn't do no self scouting correct. So so and
Speaker 1: here's here's the bottom line of you know, how how
Speaker 1: can you be so good in game? I just realized
Speaker 1: this is the clip right here? Yep, that's it? Slot Why?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: So? I think they motioned into slot? Why? Why?
Speaker 9: And then also that's a cup block you see a
Speaker 9: cup by the pressure its penalty?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just the signal, the signal for the slot
Speaker 1: YY formation. And and then the guy who was live
Speaker 1: the entire season signaled why delay? Am I supposed to
Speaker 1: see that? And be like, oh, I don't know what
Speaker 1: this is? Right? Right? Right? So you call it out,
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's got to be a wide
Speaker 1: delay screen.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 3: So we talked about Ohio State having their own Connor stallions.
Speaker 3: How many of the Power now Power four conferences have.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's got to be eighty to ninety.
Speaker 1: But like the Big Ten before, well, I'm sure USC does,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Washington probably does. Any team worth has. The
Speaker 1: only two teams that to my understanding did not were
Speaker 1: Iowa and Michigan State in the Big Ten. Nebraska when
Speaker 1: we played them last year, this is like what two
Speaker 1: games before I got suspended. They first of all, they
Speaker 1: huddled almost every play. We want to go game by game.
Speaker 1: Last year, ECU new you know, new signals because it's
Speaker 1: game one, and they're the best at protecting. So we're
Speaker 1: we're up thirty to nothing. Before I even started figuring
Speaker 1: out what was going on. Next game was what un
Speaker 1: l V They had one signaler, so that was easy.
Speaker 1: Game three, Bowling Green, Uh, they were okay protecting. I
Speaker 1: figured them out pretty early. Game four, Rutgers, they huddled
Speaker 1: every single play. They're they're really good at getting signals,
Speaker 1: so again you're really good, Like you know, we huddled.
Speaker 3: Yeahs Nebraska handled business.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we handled business.
Speaker 4: So they're very good at protecting their players.
Speaker 1: Very good because they're they're good at getting signals.
Speaker 4: So they did you figure them out at all?
Speaker 1: Well, like I know their guy, Yeah, so we both
Speaker 1: First of all, Michigan offense, we don't. We don't. We
Speaker 1: never really steal signals. We we huddle more than anyone
Speaker 1: in the country, I think besides Air Force maybe or
Speaker 1: whoever one of the service academies. But you don't see
Speaker 1: Michigan go up temple all too much. But yeah, we
Speaker 1: huddled every play, and they huddled every play. And then
Speaker 1: after the game, I talked to their guy and we
Speaker 1: just that was the ultimate stalemate.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And did you know him personally before the game?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah yeah. And then right after the game,
Speaker 1: all right, right back to you know, whatever you need
Speaker 1: help with, you know, let me know. I'll give you
Speaker 1: what I got, and he gives me what he's got,
Speaker 1: you know. And that happens every Sunday, right.
Speaker 3: So every Sunday you essentially talk to the team you
Speaker 3: just played their guy.
Speaker 1: Anyone, and a lot of a lot of coaches do
Speaker 1: that too. It's like, right, I'm sure the head coaches
Speaker 1: exchange information with and not even just the team you
Speaker 1: just played, like, you know, okay, uh, what Michigan's got
Speaker 1: Illinois coming up? And Illinois already played Nebraska, So I
Speaker 1: could call Nebraska's guy and be like, hey, what you
Speaker 1: got in Illinois? Who do you play next? I'll give
Speaker 1: you what I got on so and so. Right, that
Speaker 1: happens all the time. And that's not just signals, that's decoordinators.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, what plays did you like? What what
Speaker 1: did you see? You know all that. So yeah, after
Speaker 1: that Rutgers game, it was right back to all right,
Speaker 1: we're friends now. We knew that was gonna happen. No
Speaker 1: signals at all the entire game. And then the next
Speaker 1: game was Nebraska and they did not signal until like
Speaker 1: their third drive of the game. We were we were
Speaker 1: already up fourteen nothing before their first signal.
Speaker 4: Right, they had the third and one pick.
Speaker 1: But the funniest thing was, you know, most teams have
Speaker 1: boards that either sometimes it means formation, sometimes it tells
Speaker 1: you which signaler is live. It could mean many different things. Uh,
Speaker 1: Nebraska's boards told you which signaler was live. And they
Speaker 1: had these quadrants and pictures in each quadrant and most
Speaker 1: of the pictures. I'm sure it didn't mean anything, but
Speaker 1: one of the boards they had had my Heights school
Speaker 1: logo on it.
Speaker 4: No ship nice, so they knew.
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. We all know, we all know
Speaker 1: who each other are, so that was probably just a funny.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, hm, look at any other intel with Nebraska, No.
Speaker 1: Who they play next week?
Speaker 4: We it's a bye week.
Speaker 1: But then Indiana, Indiana, that's a good game. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: is it at Indiana?
Speaker 4: What kind of what kind of information can you give
Speaker 4: us in Indiana?
Speaker 1: Uh, give me a week.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say for your text you go back
Speaker 4: to the j m U stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with who is it?
Speaker 4: Signetti?
Speaker 1: He's really good. And then the next game after Rutgers
Speaker 1: last year as Minnesota, they huddled every play.
Speaker 4: And then you guys body bag.
Speaker 1: And then and then Indiana, Uh, they were decent at
Speaker 1: protecting their signals. And then and then I wasn't there.
Speaker 4: What did Michigan have a signal steeler before you?
Speaker 1: No? So that again there when I went from Navy
Speaker 1: to there, like once I was in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 1: It was twenty eighteen was the start of it. I
Speaker 1: it was maybe week four five. I think actually the
Speaker 1: last game I was not the last game I was
Speaker 1: in the stands for. May have been Michigan Nebraska in
Speaker 1: like twenty eighteen. Maybe it was Northwestern, I don't remember
Speaker 1: who it was. It was one of those two teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then after that I'm on the field, you know,
Speaker 1: because I asked, well, I was there for a two
Speaker 1: week kind of limbo period between training and being stationed
Speaker 1: in California, and so I asked, like, Hey, what can
Speaker 1: I do on game day? And they're like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you think? I said, well, I mean I
Speaker 1: did this in Navy. I'm going to try that. And
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, sure, I don't think we have anyone
Speaker 1: doing that, and just ran with it. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask the question, because did anyone from
Speaker 3: South Carolina get signs from you to steal from Tennessee
Speaker 3: and Georgia.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone at South Carolina. Now here's what
Speaker 1: I'll say. There's this whole like a giant circle of
Speaker 1: the intel guys right that know each other, right, and
Speaker 1: you're usually one or two phone calls away from anyone
Speaker 1: you want, right, Like if we played. We played Georgia
Speaker 1: in twenty one in the Orange Bowl, and I got
Speaker 1: a hold of a couple SEC teams that were playing
Speaker 1: Big ten teams in their bowl game, and so I'd
Speaker 1: give them what I had on them, and they give
Speaker 1: me what they had on Georgia. Also, this is my favorite,
Speaker 1: So trading happens all the time. Right, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: we lose the Michigan State Kenneth Walker a great game,
Speaker 1: played fantastic yep, and we needed some help. Right, they
Speaker 1: had to lose twice and we had to Michigan State
Speaker 1: had to lose twice, and then that would have resulted
Speaker 1: in having a three way tie or no, we would
Speaker 1: have beaten Ohio State and then it would just been
Speaker 1: US Ohio State because then Michigan State would not have
Speaker 1: been in that three way tie. And they lost to Purdue,
Speaker 1: and then I think it was the next week they
Speaker 1: played Ohio State. The week before we played Ohio State,
Speaker 1: and so we needed Ohio State to win. So I
Speaker 1: gave Michigan State signals to a buddy of mine and said, hey,
Speaker 1: I changed all the logos. It looked I made it
Speaker 1: look like it came from a different school that I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give Ohio State something from Michigan. Right,
Speaker 1: they might not use it, who knows, but we need
Speaker 1: Ohio State to win. And I know they steal a
Speaker 1: crap out of defensive signals. So here you go. So
Speaker 1: I made it. I gave it to a buddy who
Speaker 1: may have given it to a buddy who then gave
Speaker 1: it to Ohio State and said telephone, yep, I got
Speaker 1: this from so and so, you know, name your school, university,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so they got I'm sure they probably already
Speaker 1: had him, but it just confirmed everything. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: then they won like sixty to nothing, and that's all
Speaker 1: you needed. Yep.
Speaker 3: Does in this in this world of trading, does anybody
Speaker 3: ever trade their own schools information?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. That'd be crazy, but.
Speaker 4: You never know, right because I'm assuming like trade their
Speaker 4: own schools information.
Speaker 3: Right, Like I'm assuming not everybody was as massive a
Speaker 3: fan of the school they worked for like you were.
Speaker 3: So I know that, you know, just like corrupt politicians.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it past certain people.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw one out there, go ahead, Lineberry coach
Speaker 4: got fired last year. Yeah, or he resigned and then
Speaker 4: when Gama fired No.
Speaker 1: That was that was two years ago coach. No, No, that
Speaker 1: was that that was last year time last year. No,
Speaker 1: but he so it was at the end of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. He wasn't at Michigan during the twenty three season.
Speaker 4: Wasn't somebody at Michigan during last year? Not during the season,
Speaker 4: and their computer kind of got found grenade the computer
Speaker 4: and then they they went to Alabama.
Speaker 1: M h that you're you're mixing stories right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: can you help differentiate the stories? Would that George Hilo
Speaker 1: as a linebacker coach in twenty twenty two? He was
Speaker 1: not at Michigan in twenty three and then was hired
Speaker 1: by Obama before our game, But he was like eleven
Speaker 1: months removed or whatever. Got you? I don't quote man exactly.
Speaker 4: Right, And you you assumed the reason why he was
Speaker 4: hired by Alabama right before?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, why wouldn't you have heard him earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, right because Alabama was trying to cheat?
Speaker 4: I'll say it. I mean it's just like in the
Speaker 4: NFL if somebody like, yeah, if I were to be
Speaker 4: playing for Washington, I get cut and then the Eagles bring
Speaker 4: me in right away, and they want to just know
Speaker 4: like what they operate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're squealing like a pig.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: When I when I when I came to the Titans,
Speaker 4: I was in the offensive room with Lafleur and then
Speaker 4: breaking down the Washington breaking down Washington defense, how we
Speaker 4: played cover one and how we did things in the
Speaker 4: red zone, how we played triangle when it was three
Speaker 4: by one, like all that stuff. You want to win.
Speaker 4: I mean, at the end of the day, you want
Speaker 4: to win.
Speaker 3: I want to keep breaking down this this crazy underground
Speaker 3: world of trading different teams information. When did you become
Speaker 3: aware of this?
Speaker 1: Uh? Eighteen twenty eighteen is when you found out there's
Speaker 1: a navy. Yeah. I never no one ever really talked
Speaker 1: to me from other saa.
Speaker 4: Yeah you want to help, We're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you. I just got killed.
Speaker 4: Yah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys still shit. Twenty eighteen it was after
Speaker 1: after the regular season. I think it was after that.
Speaker 1: I got a call someone asking for some stuff on
Speaker 1: some certain teams. Yeah, and that's when I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what what teams?
Speaker 4: What teams were calling about?
Speaker 1: What teams? Again, I shouldn't read anyone Okay.
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Speaker 3: the throat this. So there's been so much Obviously, the
Speaker 3: landscape of college football and how you do play calling
Speaker 3: has changed so much, and a lot of it has
Speaker 3: to do with what happened last year with Michigan and
Speaker 3: everything like that.
Speaker 1: That you are pointy fingers at you. I don't think
Speaker 1: anything is people people didn't People in football didn't change much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just the media perception.
Speaker 3: So but because now they're going to the comps times,
Speaker 3: so is it much more difficult to steal?
Speaker 1: So it's actually signal seiling is happening more now. So
Speaker 1: remember I explained the whole you know, how how it evolved,
Speaker 1: how it works in the difference between the NFL and
Speaker 1: college it's just because of the tempo. I mean, shoot,
Speaker 1: NFL teams still signal some not all the time, but
Speaker 1: like if they ever want to go tempo, they signal, yeah,
Speaker 1: go Temple, you gotta signal. Sometimes it's the coach to
Speaker 1: the quarterback and then the quarterback signals to the receivers
Speaker 1: and tells everyone in the core. Or some teams have
Speaker 1: signalers on the sideline that are ready to signal anytime
Speaker 1: they want to go tempo. That's the league though. College
Speaker 1: now that new helmet communications. It's not a rule, right,
Speaker 1: it's not a mandate, it's just a feature. It's a tool.
Speaker 1: So now coaches can talk to the quarterbacks. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they have to signal or or that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they have to huddle or that they want to huddle.
Speaker 1: So what's happening now, and this isn't for everyone, but
Speaker 1: a lot of teams are doing this. Is now they
Speaker 1: are continuing to go up tempo, and they are stealing
Speaker 1: the defensive signal and now they can just talk to
Speaker 1: the quarterback up until fifteen seconds and tell them exactly
Speaker 1: what's coming. So, hey, they're blitzing the nickel, they're dropping
Speaker 1: the boundary in, throw the slant to the slot. Whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Now you can do that. Uh, there's already
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna say who. It's not a
Speaker 1: Big ten school, but there's already been a team that
Speaker 1: has had bluetooth to the quarterback for years. No shit, really,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not even I'm not gonna tell you
Speaker 1: if you're cold. It's just not in the Big ten.
Speaker 4: It's a Big ten team.
Speaker 1: It's a powerful, powerful, Power five what do you want
Speaker 1: to call it? Time? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is it irrelevant?
Speaker 1: So like why you know the officials aren't going to
Speaker 1: check to see if there's bluetooth because in ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of people's minds, you would only have bluetooth to
Speaker 1: huddle up, when in reality you have bluetooth to tell
Speaker 1: the QB what the defensive signal is. Now that's happening
Speaker 1: a lot. So it's I mean, it's funny. I've I've
Speaker 1: gotten phone calls from teams asking if I still have
Speaker 1: so and so's signals and whatnot? Really uh, and I'm
Speaker 1: not even you know, technically in it right now, technically
Speaker 1: technically Uh. And then I mean, shoot, I have gone
Speaker 1: to every Michigan game and everyone we played has signaled
Speaker 1: really on offense.
Speaker 4: And you are you're still sitting Minnesota did not, they
Speaker 4: didn't last year, but everyone else sitting in the stands
Speaker 4: and you can see the signal color and so you
Speaker 4: essentially know what's happening.
Speaker 1: Uh. You know, when I'm at the Michigan games now,
Speaker 1: I'm just there to enjoy it when I know I'm
Speaker 1: obviously aware enough to see, oh they're signaling. And for example,
Speaker 1: like USC when we played USC, you know, it's the
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley offense. It's the same as his brother Garrett
Speaker 1: Riley when he was at TCU and now Clemson. I
Speaker 1: was even remembering some of the stuff like, oh, wait,
Speaker 1: isn't this this is just all go special and it
Speaker 1: was right. You know, they're not they're not changing their signals.
Speaker 1: Maybe a few, but like Texas, they they signaled every
Speaker 1: single play the whole game. And you know, again it's
Speaker 1: or or definitely at a disadvantage now because we don't
Speaker 1: have our signal guy and everyone else has theirs. So
Speaker 1: you know, it goes back to that cat cat mouse game.
Speaker 1: So you've not become the mouse in every situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless you make sure you signal second. So and there's
Speaker 1: we didn't make sure we're doing that if or not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you see out of Michigan this year?
Speaker 4: Is I mean outside of not having a quarterback, well, you.
Speaker 1: Have fifteen guys or whatever that we lost the league, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's not easy? Yeah, okay, and then you lose
Speaker 1: your strength coach, your entire defensive staff. You know, you're
Speaker 1: obviously your head coach. It's it's gonna be a step back,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not it's not that easy to maintain
Speaker 1: success when you when when that happens. Yeah, I think. Uh,
Speaker 1: I watched your video yesterday. You know, I'm still optimistic too,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 3: Told you not to watch. I told nobody to watch
Speaker 3: correct for people just.
Speaker 1: To have correct I heard someone else watching it stole that. Ye,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think well won the bye
Speaker 1: week couldn't come in any better time, well timed bye week.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of parody in college football this year,
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, that must be a product of nil
Speaker 1: and the portal in full effect now. But you know,
Speaker 1: other than Texas and I mean, I guess Ohio State
Speaker 1: that they beat they did beat Iowa, But has anyone
Speaker 1: else looked really good every single week? Right?
Speaker 4: In your opinion, you feel like because you were on
Speaker 4: that side of it, you were also in recruiting. Do
Speaker 4: you feel like Michigan is doing what they need to
Speaker 4: do in the whole portal game with the nil and
Speaker 4: everything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the issue at the portal that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are voicing their opinions now and they're
Speaker 1: upset about you know, why did we not get someone
Speaker 1: at this position in that position? Well, the portal was
Speaker 1: closed by the time, Like, something's got to happen in
Speaker 1: college football because if you make the playoffs, you are
Speaker 1: screwed for the portal for the following season because the
Speaker 1: portal time frame is while you're prepping for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So your players aren't announcing if they're leaving or not.
Speaker 1: So how do you recruit a guy and convince him
Speaker 1: to come to Michigan when that guy, for all he knows, like, well,
Speaker 1: so and so isn't leaving, And how do you tell him, Oh,
Speaker 1: he is going to leave? But then what if he
Speaker 1: doesn't leave, you know, And that's not that's not on
Speaker 1: a kid either, Like like JJ for example, you can't
Speaker 1: expect him to make an announcement during the playoffs about
Speaker 1: if he's going to go to the league.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: He's not thinking about that, right, He's just in the moment,
Speaker 1: and that's that's who he is, right And that's also
Speaker 1: who he should be for the team in that moment.
Speaker 1: But he's not. Yeah, I mean, maybe there's backdoor conversations
Speaker 1: with his family, but he's not going to make some
Speaker 1: announcement saying, you know, hey, I'm gonna leave after this game.
Speaker 1: So that's an issue. The timing of everything, because then
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, are they students or are they athletes?
Speaker 1: Because the semester starting in January is really what why
Speaker 1: the portal from my understanding, why the portal closes at
Speaker 1: that time and then it just opens up for a
Speaker 1: couple of days. But everyone that you would want.
Speaker 3: Is all the all the best players are gone. Now
Speaker 3: you're getting the tier two, two or three guys.
Speaker 1: So you know, Sharon is definitely the man for the job.
Speaker 1: He is an elite leader. Everyone loves him. Great dude
Speaker 1: loves football. Like I remember, you know, if it's one
Speaker 1: a m. And you're on your grind watching film, whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing, and you go to the bathroom or you
Speaker 1: go get water whatever and come back. And he was
Speaker 1: always one of the like three people that were there
Speaker 1: that late. Still yes, still about it, all about it.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, it seems like we're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 3: have a chance to do the portal this year, not
Speaker 3: making the playoffs.
Speaker 4: If they don't make the playoffs, correct, we'll have time, Correct,
Speaker 4: we'll be able to reload for next year, is what
Speaker 4: you're saying. Correct, Now, is anybody sitting in the seat
Speaker 4: you were sitting in last year at Michigan.
Speaker 1: Now they don't have that anymore with the signals, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not to my knowledge.
Speaker 4: What else outside of signals? Obviously you're known for being
Speaker 4: the signal master, but I think everyone understands that, Like
Speaker 4: signal stealing is like you're trying to gain whatever advantage
Speaker 4: you can. Like every every locker room, every meeting I've
Speaker 4: been in, you're trying to break down whether it's coaches
Speaker 4: copy or TV copies. You got somebody up there giving
Speaker 4: a presentation on signals. Whether whatever you do with it
Speaker 4: is ultimately up to you, depends on how much information
Speaker 4: you can retain. But what else outside of the spectrum
Speaker 4: of signals was kind of like your bread and butter?
Speaker 4: Was it like two minute drills or situations in there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, you know, one of the beauties at Michigan,
Speaker 1: coach Harbaugh hired a great staff to recruit great players,
Speaker 1: and he just empowered his staff, So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of overlap between. Like you know, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: if on paper, I'm a recruiting guy, I wasn't only
Speaker 1: doing recruiting right, or or if you're a defensive analyst,
Speaker 1: you're not only breaking down third down or people helping
Speaker 1: each other out a lot, filling in gaps when needed.
Speaker 1: But during the season it was you know, a little
Speaker 1: bit of recruiting mostly. You know, I was in every
Speaker 1: defensive staff meeting. You know, you're game planning. I'm breaking
Speaker 1: down film prepping linebacker meetings for coach Partridge, so you know,
Speaker 1: because it's it's a race, right like every The thing
Speaker 1: that people don't realize is every I know, you guys
Speaker 1: realize it, but from Sunday morning to kick off on Saturday,
Speaker 1: it's literally who can prepare faster than their opponent. And
Speaker 1: you know, the linebacker coach, for example, should not be
Speaker 1: the guy that is going in and finding the specific
Speaker 1: clips for the meeting. He's the one coaching the clips
Speaker 1: you are going through. Like so I would go through
Speaker 1: the film and pick out, you know, what he wanted
Speaker 1: for the linebacker meeting for example, stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: also breaking down opponents, so like I was mentioning that
Speaker 1: formation tendency stuff like that, you know, because every so
Speaker 1: like you know, Monday for the linebackers might be you know,
Speaker 1: first and second down, what do they do on first
Speaker 1: and second down? Tuesdays may be you know, a short
Speaker 1: yardage goal line Wednesdays might be third and long whatever
Speaker 1: it is, however, you break that down, and so I
Speaker 1: would prepare the meetings for the backers, you know, every day,
Speaker 1: and then you know the signal stuff because that was
Speaker 1: again you know, it was just a portion of the job.
Speaker 1: Is something I just did anytime I didn't have, like
Speaker 1: I had some free time to Okay, we're done prepping
Speaker 1: for linebacker meetings practices in an hour, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna crank out an hour of this and then I
Speaker 1: try to finish that by Tuesdays usually Wednesday, and then
Speaker 1: give myself two days to memorize everything, memorize my sheet,
Speaker 1: you know, feel comfortable with it, and you know the
Speaker 1: tough part. It's this goes for everyone though, right because again,
Speaker 1: you play your opponent and then you're done. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was play your opponent. I'm not I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: Maybe with the exception of like Ohio State and Michigan State,
Speaker 1: I might remember a few, but an hour after the game,
Speaker 1: I could not tell you a single signal that I
Speaker 1: just member for that game because it's onto whoever, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't care about as president as possible, Yes,
Speaker 1: so and usually I would try to get a couple
Speaker 1: of days ahead, So like if I fit, let's just say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say I were there now and we're
Speaker 1: playing Illinois in a couple of weeks after the bye
Speaker 1: and then who's after them, Michigan State. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: would try to finish Illinois. Well, pretend there's no bye week,
Speaker 1: Pretend we're in Illinois week right now. I would try
Speaker 1: to finish them by Tuesday, maybe Wednesday at the latest,
Speaker 1: and then by Thursday morning. It's like two separate mind
Speaker 1: frames where one I am calmly memorizing my sheet for
Speaker 1: the Illinois game and also getting ahead with Michigan State
Speaker 1: so I can finish them by the following Tuesday, because
Speaker 1: I always want to give myself a couple of days
Speaker 1: to because I'm sure everyone does, you know, for everything
Speaker 1: they do, whether it be coordinating a play calling or
Speaker 1: coaching your position or being an actual player, like you
Speaker 1: want at least have. You don't want to be like
Speaker 1: racing all the way up until kickoff and your mind's
Speaker 1: going a thousand different directions. So that is kind of
Speaker 1: how I scheduled everything for myself.
Speaker 3: When you so like during the week, you say, like Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like in the league, it would be like Wednesday would
Speaker 3: be like first and second down, Thursday would be ye
Speaker 3: all third downs, yeah then yeah, then the red zone
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. But we'd have assistant coaches like
Speaker 3: Mike Sullivan would always break down front the entire offense.
Speaker 3: These are the blitzes these teams do. Did you ever
Speaker 3: get to sit in front of the entire defense?
Speaker 1: And no, because I was an analyst and up until
Speaker 1: this year, uh, analysts could not do like on field
Speaker 1: and you know, could not instruct players or anything like that.
Speaker 1: You could only assist the coaches. So I would prepare
Speaker 1: like I would help coach Partridge for example, you know
Speaker 1: if he had short yardage goal line, I would help
Speaker 1: him prepare the clips for that and the organization of
Speaker 1: that meeting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are there there are a couple of defensive players
Speaker 4: that gravitated towards all the information and knowledge you had
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 1: X's and o's. I mean, the.
Speaker 4: Guys that understand it in the.
Speaker 1: D H A lot of the players, I mean, even
Speaker 1: like Mikey Sanders still is uh. I mean, I've I've
Speaker 1: learned some of the defense from him. You know, like
Speaker 1: some of these you know, these guys are really smart,
Speaker 1: great leaders. He's Mikey's probably the best non military leader
Speaker 1: I've ever been around. Really, Yes, he is. Uh, he's
Speaker 1: that guy. I mean, you know, he started as a
Speaker 1: receiver and then yeah, flashbacks, he had that nice catch,
Speaker 1: that diving catch in Lincoln, Nebraska that night game as
Speaker 1: a receiver, and then the very next year changes to
Speaker 1: nickel and he's our starting nickel and one of the
Speaker 1: best Nickels in the country. Just like that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that he led by example and he
Speaker 1: was not afraid to check anyone. But I mean I
Speaker 1: was close with a lot of the players because it
Speaker 1: is like a brotherhood. You know. I was what like
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, twenty one years old at the time,
Speaker 1: and they're anywhere from eighteen to twenty three, So I'm
Speaker 1: closer in age to them than they are to the coach,
Speaker 1: like the full time coaches. So yeah, I was pretty
Speaker 1: close with the majority of the team. It truly was
Speaker 1: like a family atmosphere where I mean everyone got along
Speaker 1: with everyone, And that goes back to coach Harbaugh hiring
Speaker 1: a great staff and that great staff recruiting just the
Speaker 1: right people.
Speaker 3: I know, we're getting kind of close to that hour
Speaker 3: thirty mark right now. I had a question about EXOS,
Speaker 3: and I heard a rumor that there was pirrating videos
Speaker 3: going on from Exos, the film company that was actually pirrating,
Speaker 3: taking Michigan's practice film and giving it to other Big
Speaker 3: Ten teams. Do you have any knowledge of that at all?
Speaker 1: I don't know, oh what Exo's role would be or
Speaker 1: allegedly and that is allegedly. Yeah, well, most most teams, yeah,
Speaker 1: have have Exos. There's DV sport too. All I'll say
Speaker 1: is I have seen other Big Ten schools signals. I'm
Speaker 1: talking the original signal film that was fit like a
Speaker 1: ga doing the signals in the quarterback room right like
Speaker 1: the players would have on catapult to study. I've seen
Speaker 1: other teams signals of that that. The people who showed
Speaker 1: me that claim they got it from Ohio State. Oh interesting,
Speaker 1: I've seen that with my own eyes. So people that
Speaker 1: have the play calls, like Ohio State for example, may
Speaker 1: have traded that to someone for a different team's signals
Speaker 1: or whatnot, and that someone may have may have shown me. Dude,
Speaker 1: you better be careful because look at what they got.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, they made you aware of correct, yes,
Speaker 3: and that's probably illegal, right.
Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer.
Speaker 4: I have a question your manifesto, what what was the
Speaker 4: foundation of it? Like for you philosophy wise, like, how
Speaker 4: did you start building out the manifesto? Obviously from military
Speaker 4: background you talked about the coaches in the past, but
Speaker 4: you yourself putting this thing together?
Speaker 1: What foundation was it built off of the best way
Speaker 1: to explain that is it's organized how I would organize
Speaker 1: a football program, which is very military like in like
Speaker 1: a chain of command, like a staff org chart, you know,
Speaker 1: or usually in groups of three, where like you have
Speaker 1: the head coach and headquarters, and then under them you
Speaker 1: have the football staff, the operations staff, and so on.
Speaker 1: Within the football staff, that would be like anything related
Speaker 1: to football itself. So I grew break that into three
Speaker 1: different categories. Personnel, so scouting, recruiting, the actual x's and
Speaker 1: O so often stephen special teams, and then player performance,
Speaker 1: which is strain the conditioning, you know, trainers and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, nutrition, and then each of those has a
Speaker 1: broken down subcategory. So if you gave me a thought
Speaker 1: on like, hey, I saw this really good thing that
Speaker 1: such and such a school was doing with their nutrition program.
Speaker 1: I would just go boom bom, boom boom, there's a
Speaker 1: nutrition section, and I got all my organized notes and
Speaker 1: I'd put it in there. And if you were asked,
Speaker 1: if you were to ask me, how would you run
Speaker 1: your how would the logistics work for your operations department?
Speaker 1: Give me five seconds, I'll show you boom boom boom,
Speaker 1: and then there's all my notes on that. And that's
Speaker 1: kind of you know, it's just it's a really good book,
Speaker 1: Getting Things Done, by David Allen. It's about how in
Speaker 1: order to actually apply something that you learn or see,
Speaker 1: or whether it be a quote or you know, something
Speaker 1: from a book, something from a movie, something from a conversation,
Speaker 1: you have to first be able to capture it, so
Speaker 1: write it down. Then you have to take that captured
Speaker 1: thought and be able to organize it. That's like my
Speaker 1: organized notes, the Michigan Manifesto, and then you have to
Speaker 1: be able to reference it though. So that's why that's
Speaker 1: the beauty of if you're super organized, then I can
Speaker 1: always go back to that, like, for example, if I
Speaker 1: read a book on leadership, for example, there might be
Speaker 1: a quote about something that's not necessarily specifically you know, leadership.
Speaker 1: It might be about there could be a football some
Speaker 1: football quote or something, and you got to be able
Speaker 1: to every time I read a book, I read the book,
Speaker 1: take all my notes, and then I go through the
Speaker 1: book again and everything I highlighted or underlined or wrote,
Speaker 1: I put that where it belongs in the manifesto, so
Speaker 1: then I can reference it without having to remember what
Speaker 1: book was that from. It was a quote about football,
Speaker 1: but it was in a leadership book. Like no, I
Speaker 1: just go to the football section and there's the quote.
Speaker 1: I couldn't dream to be this organized. I could not.
Speaker 1: And the beauty of it, too is I can talk
Speaker 1: about that. You know, probably never give away the Michigan Manifesto,
Speaker 1: but I can talk about it and no one will
Speaker 1: be able to duplicate it because I'm already fifteen years ahead,
Speaker 1: right right, How luck?
Speaker 4: How did it develop over the years from the organization?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? And and it's a Google doc now, and
Speaker 1: you say, like, how many pages is it? I can't
Speaker 1: give you an exact exact number because I found this
Speaker 1: out the hard way. A Google doc can't go over
Speaker 1: a thousand pages, so it's multiple Google.
Speaker 10: Docs, no ship, dude, Yeah, God, how often do you
Speaker 10: go back and read and be like, Okay, this is
Speaker 10: different now, this is different now nutrition for instance, if
Speaker 10: you take something five years ago someone said about.
Speaker 1: Nutrition, it's just it's ongoing. It's ongoing, and I usually
Speaker 1: I try to visit it at least weekly, try to daily.
Speaker 1: But you know, like if you know I've been traveling
Speaker 1: last few days, I haven't. You know, I haven't been
Speaker 1: on it. But what I do, Like so at the
Speaker 1: Michigan Washington game, during the game, I have my notes up,
Speaker 1: not the actual Google docs, but just my notes app
Speaker 1: and I'm just taking notes on everything I see, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was at the Seahawks game Sunday too, you know,
Speaker 1: So anytime I'm at a game or watching a game
Speaker 1: and I see a play I like or you know,
Speaker 1: situation like you know, this is bad flashbacks. But twenty
Speaker 1: eleven fourth and inches in East Lansing and we were
Speaker 1: in to playfake and you know, I just remembered that
Speaker 1: yesterday watching I think the Seahawks Giants game, thinking like,
Speaker 1: you know, fourth and inches. If I'm ever a coordinator,
Speaker 1: I don't want to call player the quarterbacks back is
Speaker 1: to the defense and fourth and inches unless he's given
Speaker 1: the ball, but it's just so risky. But like, so anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, that just triggered that thought from twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: So I write that down in my notes, and then
Speaker 1: tonight when I get back, I will put that exactly
Speaker 1: where it belongs to the manifesto. So then whenever I'm
Speaker 1: a coordinator, I already have that in the fourth and
Speaker 1: short section to always reference and remind myself your.
Speaker 3: Memory is shaky. The manifesto? Did you give the name manifesto?
Speaker 1: So that was it was just like my notes, And
Speaker 1: I think it was during COVID when people didn't know
Speaker 1: if football was going to be happening or not. And
Speaker 1: a couple buddies of mine and I had these zooms
Speaker 1: just talking ball stand fresh in football, and uh, I
Speaker 1: remember kind of introducing it to one of them and
Speaker 1: he's like, this is like a manifesto, and so we
Speaker 1: just kind of jokingly called it the Michigan Manifesto and then, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the media ran with it. Dave ran
Speaker 1: with it, and I guess I now have to call
Speaker 1: it the Michigan manifestoos.
Speaker 4: If you've got to.
Speaker 3: Whenever you've decided, like I'm done doing the manifesto you
Speaker 3: need to print that out hard copy and then just
Speaker 3: frame it somewhere, just a book.
Speaker 1: But there's never an end to the Michigan Manifesto. How
Speaker 1: could that was a dumb statement and you win a
Speaker 1: national champions there's already a section in there. You know,
Speaker 1: this is like a sabanism, right, like where you.
Speaker 4: Can start doing it like encyclop You gonna have like
Speaker 4: a volume one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I already have nine volumes, do you? He said,
Speaker 1: I already have nine volume Are you just doing AI
Speaker 1: up here?
Speaker 3: From she's just been popping up different AI AI pictures
Speaker 3: that he's decided to make.
Speaker 1: I mean you saw you saw the recruiting the scouting
Speaker 1: map in the documentary? Yeah, did you see that?
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a map of the United States.
Speaker 3: It's where every single draft pick.
Speaker 1: Right, every draft pick. So basically what I did was
Speaker 1: again I can say this because well, you know, you
Speaker 1: could probably hires some AI or you could do whatever
Speaker 1: now and probably catch you up on this. But it's
Speaker 1: just the concept. This is just one of you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of concepts in the manifesto where you know, people
Speaker 1: always talk about states, like what's the best state for recruiting?
Speaker 1: Is it Georgia, is it Florida, is it Texas? Is
Speaker 1: it California? And I just kind of realized, why are
Speaker 1: we talking about states? It's literally something that Lewis and
Speaker 1: Clark drew back in the eighteen hundreds. Why would you
Speaker 1: recruit based on some state boundary that were drawn a
Speaker 1: couple hundred years ago. So what I did was I
Speaker 1: plotted every single draft pick. I took the Google map
Speaker 1: layer like off where you couldn't even tell where you were,
Speaker 1: and I just plotted everyone, and then I just drew
Speaker 1: my own little regions around where the mass people were
Speaker 1: and just kind of went from there, because like you know,
Speaker 1: when people say Florida is great, well it's mostly Fort Lauderdale, Miami.
Speaker 1: Right when people say California, it's mostly LA and the
Speaker 1: Bay Area, Texas mainly Dallas, Houston. Yes, there are certain
Speaker 1: states like Georgia and Texas where it is more spread out,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of figured, you know why, and
Speaker 1: it's my position too. Now, I'm not going to give
Speaker 1: away which positions in which sub regions are worth recruiting
Speaker 1: more than others, but yeah, there's definitely like certain regions
Speaker 1: are hotbeds for certain positions So what's the best state
Speaker 1: for recruiting?
Speaker 4: What's the best region?
Speaker 1: Region? Miami? Miami is the best region.
Speaker 4: How's Arizona? How does Arizona hold up?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you weren't there, then it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: as great.
Speaker 3: That is exactly how I wanted you to answer that.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that's how I wanted you to answer,
Speaker 3: but that's what I needed.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think Georgia is probably the best
Speaker 1: state where if you just close your eyes and put
Speaker 1: your finger anywhere on the on the state of Georgia,
Speaker 1: you're closed to a player that's been drafted.
Speaker 4: I like that. Yeah, it's it's extremely informative. I've loved
Speaker 4: every minute of this.
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Speaker 11: Your best Big ten super team versus your best SEC superteam?
Speaker 11: Who's on it? And who is winning?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: I could be the wrong person ask here because I can't.
Speaker 4: It's like I can sit here and think of all
Speaker 4: the players, Like justin you know one of the nineties
Speaker 4: Nebraska teams. I think you're gonna be pretty good.
Speaker 1: But is that a Big ten team though they are now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they weren't Big ten, right?
Speaker 4: They weren't ten then?
Speaker 1: All right, So let's start at quarterback. Who's representing the
Speaker 1: Big ten we're completely creating our team from scratch. We're
Speaker 1: not saying, like Georgia twenty one.
Speaker 11: Your creat you like picking players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a that's a very long winded, twisted question.
Speaker 1: Can we we just gotta go like the best O line,
Speaker 1: the best receiver corps?
Speaker 3: Maybe Okay, let's just start with you ten, all right,
Speaker 3: big ten quarterback.
Speaker 4: I mean you're using one of the Michigan ones recently, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Line, Yeah, twenty two, Michigan twenty twenty two, Michigan O
Speaker 1: line twenty three. Man, they didn't technically didn't win. We
Speaker 1: we didn't win the Joe Morroward last year, but that
Speaker 1: was probably because they just felt back because we won
Speaker 1: it twice in a row, first time we ever won
Speaker 1: it twice in a row.
Speaker 4: But that I would say that, I could say that
Speaker 4: a line I get my.
Speaker 1: Good last year? What are we working on this together?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have to.
Speaker 1: There's no way the three of us are gonna do.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 1: So we'll say that old line. I hate Santas, but
Speaker 1: it's gotta be one of the Ohio State receiving corps recently.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, with old Mormon Harrison Jr. I mean, well,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna pick them, then you gotta pick Michigan's
Speaker 4: DBS though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, so we're just a hot state in Michigan
Speaker 1: so far.
Speaker 4: So what's that CJ. Stroud might be.
Speaker 1: But this is all time, I do you know? I
Speaker 1: respect c J. Good guy. He didn't beat Michigan though,
Speaker 1: he didn't beat Michigan. Couldn't beat Michigan.
Speaker 6: See J. T.
Speaker 1: Barrett. Yeah, they had three, they had Dwayne, all three
Speaker 1: of those guys right back to back to back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is way harder than I expected it to be.
Speaker 1: Troy Smith to you wanna put that tight.
Speaker 4: End, Pappy, you grab the you can do the SEC team?
Speaker 1: Are they keeping track of this? You got you gotta
Speaker 1: have Joe Burrow. No, I don't know Cam Newton though
Speaker 1: his twenty ten season. Yeah, superman, Johnny.
Speaker 4: You guys do the SEC. We'll do the Big ten
Speaker 4: all time. Yeah, the number one greatest running back of
Speaker 4: all time and the Big ten. I'm looking at Archie
Speaker 4: Griffin Ohio State. Yeah, that's big. That's big for the
Speaker 4: Big ten. Okay, so we'll take him, We'll take him.
Speaker 4: Let me look at uh, I'll do line. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do linebackers. Oh, I'm almost assuming, like again.
Speaker 1: And is this is this while they were in college? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we just do a defense because for linebackers,
Speaker 4: you you can always pick like a like a pension squad.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, when they had uh, but you probably want
Speaker 3: to Harrington Michigan defense.
Speaker 1: If you're going full defense. Yeah, if you're going full defense,
Speaker 1: I mean, hello, man, mhm.
Speaker 4: This is a way harder question than I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, should we pass? Is there a backup question?
Speaker 4: It's just too much, just too much brain power.
Speaker 1: All look at of all time best players, Oulton Mescoulton
Speaker 1: Mescos were the first players I met at Michigan, and
Speaker 1: they made like the Ray Guy, you got way too
Speaker 1: much playing time.
Speaker 3: Ray guy dude, he that uh that Ray door was
Speaker 3: first made in twenty two and nine. He walked out
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, it's big enough to wear a
Speaker 3: punter can hit it. And then firstout warming up hit
Speaker 3: the top. It was like the most deflating the Alcalack Fieldhouse.
Speaker 1: Why are we talking to Mumford real quick?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we talk Mumford.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll wait till these boys they.
Speaker 4: Find out that we're punning on this So Mumford, I
Speaker 4: mean you got Charles Woodson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what they can I guess I'm kind of just
Speaker 1: over the question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is little an entire episode. It is like,
Speaker 3: let's just forgure out the best all time conference teams.
Speaker 1: I actually have a question for him about Mumford.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, Muford. Go ahead, stick on Mumford because
Speaker 4: a question.
Speaker 1: I won't forget about Mumford. You keep that picture up.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna forget.
Speaker 4: Give me three coaches you feel like you've learned the
Speaker 4: most from in real time now, like with the people
Speaker 4: you were inspired by and everything. Yes, yeah, guys, we
Speaker 4: punted on this question, twisted question. Three coaches, three coaches
Speaker 4: he's learned the most from. Yeah, three coaches he's learned
Speaker 4: the most from. That's added that's added value to the manifesto,
Speaker 4: big value.
Speaker 1: That's actually, yeah, that's that's probably the best way to Yeah,
Speaker 1: to ask that too.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Kenny amount to Lolo Navy head coach now at San
Speaker 1: Josis say winning as head coach NA football history. Chris
Speaker 1: Partridge and I got two in mine For this third spot,
Speaker 1: it's either Jay Harbor or Mike McDonald, which and ironically
Speaker 1: all of those guys are in Seattle. I'd say, Jay,
Speaker 1: I've spent more time around Jay.
Speaker 4: Those are the three that the manifesto the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just from observing them and and asking them questions
Speaker 1: and picking their brains.
Speaker 4: How many coaches knew you had this manifesto going, uh
Speaker 4: not like manifesto like fun creative?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I actually a lot of people just
Speaker 1: kind of knew I was very organized and had a
Speaker 1: bunch of notes and pulled out ideas.
Speaker 4: Was any coach like curious, like, hey, have you been
Speaker 4: logging everything?
Speaker 1: Like, let's see this organization. I think every coach has
Speaker 1: their own system of notes, right, Yeah, maybe not as organized,
Speaker 1: but I don't think people really think about it as
Speaker 1: much because they just kind of write down their note now,
Speaker 1: you know, once they realize, wait, maybe they're interviewing for
Speaker 1: a next job up or whatever and they need to
Speaker 1: organize everything. It's that's why I go back to like vision,
Speaker 1: the concept of vision itself, like when you picture yourself
Speaker 1: as that, you just start from the beginning like that,
Speaker 1: So you just organize everything as if you're the head
Speaker 1: coach coach, and then you're ready for anything.
Speaker 4: I love it too, man. Should we do to your talk?
Speaker 3: And then I have one final question we gotta get Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's talk about So the boys just they got.
Speaker 1: Themselves their first game in a long long time. Let's
Speaker 1: give a.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Monthford and we say.
Speaker 4: A long long like, let's check in on conversiding that
Speaker 4: you just took an ass whoop in like sixty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also played like cast Tech and cash is like.
Speaker 4: These school in Detroit.
Speaker 3: Okay, Mumford, he says, has been a long long time
Speaker 3: since you guys got a w.
Speaker 1: I think they won one game last year, none of
Speaker 1: the year before, and two the year before that, something
Speaker 1: like that. So you it's been rough.
Speaker 3: So you resigned from Michigan and Momford calls up and says, please,
Speaker 3: for the love of God, do something for us.
Speaker 4: That is that how it happened.
Speaker 1: Uh, I know the head coach, and he asked if
Speaker 1: I wanted to be to DC. And then it's kind
Speaker 1: of evolved. We only have like four coaches.
Speaker 4: So and you're thinking yourself, what a Allen? No doubt?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. How has the defense gotten better
Speaker 1: since you've gotten there? Uh? Yeah, we all kind of
Speaker 1: coach everything. So I'm coaching all sides of the ball. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, for example, we have two offensive linemen in
Speaker 1: the entire program. No ship to yep, So.
Speaker 4: Well you have two players it's play offensive line in
Speaker 4: the entire program.
Speaker 1: We have two true offensive linemen. So like our tight
Speaker 1: end Norman Adams shout out, shoutouts, Norman could be a
Speaker 1: very recruitable tight end. Had had to take one for
Speaker 1: the team, and he's our left tackle. It gets better, guys,
Speaker 1: it gets Johnson lane Johnson happened him are so last week?
Speaker 1: Every day it's like playing tetris with the debt chart,
Speaker 1: and our starting slot had to be our right guard.
Speaker 1: In the game, we won the right guard. Ye stepped up, Nate.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Nate played right guard, got the dub.
Speaker 1: We ran the ball every play except one.
Speaker 4: All right, So you know it comes with its own challenge.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of challenges, a lot of challenges, and
Speaker 1: you know it's really turned into uh, guys taking sacrifices, right, like, hey,
Speaker 1: what you know, some guys wake up one day thinking
Speaker 1: they're going to be the slot receiver getting some carries,
Speaker 1: and then they find themselves starting as the right guard.
Speaker 3: In the trenches. In the trenches crazy, you enjoyed most
Speaker 3: about the high school level, how easy the signs are
Speaker 3: to steal.
Speaker 1: No, there hasn't been a single sign we because so
Speaker 1: we we right, obviously, we have some challenges. We have
Speaker 1: two offensive linemen. I mean I could stop right there,
Speaker 1: So you got to be able to manipulate tempo right
Speaker 1: to your advantage. So and I can talk about this
Speaker 1: and no one's gonna have an answer for it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we with two offensive linemen, what do you do? Well,
Speaker 1: we do a lot of I don't even know what
Speaker 1: you want to call. It's not even tackle over, it's
Speaker 1: like everyone over.
Speaker 4: So you just take the two offensive line, like, hey,
Speaker 4: you're gonna play in the left side.
Speaker 1: No, No, Like the center is the last guy on
Speaker 1: the line and everyone else is over there. But you
Speaker 1: can't just line up like that that. You can't just
Speaker 1: give them fifteen seconds to adjust. So we we use
Speaker 1: like five or six different tempos where you know, one
Speaker 1: of them is a speed break huddle. So we'll speed
Speaker 1: break to overloading one side and snapping the ball in
Speaker 1: three seconds. Like you're not gonna be able to adjust
Speaker 1: to that in three seconds? No, we'll speed break into
Speaker 1: like pods where we have just the center and quarterback,
Speaker 1: five guys over there, four guys over there. If you
Speaker 1: don't match your numbers, we're snapping it and getting it out.
Speaker 1: And we scored. We got a seventy five yard touchdown
Speaker 1: last week on that and the refs through a flag
Speaker 1: for twelve minute on the field, and I told her
Speaker 1: I got stay on the field. Stand the found yelling
Speaker 1: at the ref count them, what do you mean? Twelve
Speaker 1: on the field, and they count them and then they
Speaker 1: go and have this meeting for like ten minutes, Like
Speaker 1: what are they talking about. There's eleven on the field.
Speaker 1: There's been eleven on the field, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden they change it from twelve on the field
Speaker 1: to five in the backfield.
Speaker 4: They're like, look, we're worried right now. How do we
Speaker 4: get out of this state?
Speaker 1: Fans they saw you, and they're like, probably probably got it.
Speaker 4: We got to make sure this guy doesn't have success
Speaker 4: anywhere now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, so we you know, we we utilize
Speaker 1: tempo to our advantage, and then we'll go fast. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll go fast tempo and run a play real quick,
Speaker 1: and then we'll just go regular old tempo, take our time.
Speaker 1: Everything's on a wristband and they look at it and
Speaker 1: they get lined up, they run it and then we'll
Speaker 1: go fast again, but we'll hard count get them to
Speaker 1: jump first down. So you know, it's like we had
Speaker 1: like a ten minute drive. We didn't even score half ended,
Speaker 1: but like, hey, last defense is not even being on
Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, uh wait, so the drive.
Speaker 4: Didn't even score with the half end. It's so funny
Speaker 4: to the boys, what's your record right now?
Speaker 1: Uh, we're wan to know starting this last week, let's
Speaker 1: go one and calls are one, and oh, we've got
Speaker 1: three games left and we actually could squeak into the
Speaker 1: playoffs if we win these last league. Well we're Division three,
Speaker 1: so we actually just beat a Division one team big time. Okay, Right,
Speaker 1: gotta get the kids.
Speaker 3: We gotta get kids eligible, we gotta get kids ready,
Speaker 3: We gotta get kids to buy into the program.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it is, you know, and I don't blame them.
Speaker 1: It's been tough, right, it's a it's a big culture shock.
Speaker 1: And uh when you are first three games were against
Speaker 1: like three juggernauts, and when they haven't won in a
Speaker 1: long time, you know, you know, you don't say this,
Speaker 1: but you kind of go in. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like being a Max school playing uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Alabama or whatever, and you know you're you're you're prepping
Speaker 1: like crazy, but you know you're not shocked if you
Speaker 1: don't win. Right, Yeah, And then Week four, Week five,
Speaker 1: it was way more winnable games. We were in them
Speaker 1: and it's just like we just got to get that
Speaker 1: win to help with the buy in. And now that
Speaker 1: we got it, these guys are bought in.
Speaker 4: Right, he's got to get another one again.
Speaker 1: So Southeastern, big game on the road. Everybody show up? Yeah, right?
Speaker 4: How is the student section from Mumford? Damn dude? Is
Speaker 4: Chandler Park Academy?
Speaker 1: They they that's homecoming? Yeah wait, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a road game. No, it's supposed to be a home game. Okay,
Speaker 1: right now. The website is wrong, I think so. A
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of these scores are wrong too.
Speaker 1: By the way, there's one thirty to nothing. Renaissance scored
Speaker 1: three times. How do you get thirty points in three scores?
Speaker 1: Or maybe it was four scores? Safety they had four touchdowns, but.
Speaker 4: We were hilarious.
Speaker 1: We were four for four on two point conversion.
Speaker 3: I mean cast Tech is like my freshman year there
Speaker 3: was like Lewis ye that yeah, that was like, whoever
Speaker 3: are you.
Speaker 4: Guys scoreless up until the last week.
Speaker 1: We scored in the first game.
Speaker 4: Okay, but a shout up Momford, shout up Monford.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: That's all time.
Speaker 3: I'll get this last question and then we can go
Speaker 3: to your talk and then we'll close shop here. So,
Speaker 3: there's obviously a lot of things that you are alleged
Speaker 3: doing legally.
Speaker 4: Illegally with that, well, nothing illegal you're allegedly, people are.
Speaker 1: Saying, and see bylaws, nothing against the constitution.
Speaker 3: Right, nothing is the contition. So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things that people are saying that you did. Who else
Speaker 3: in the Big Ten are you aware of are doing
Speaker 3: the same things you're being accused of doing.
Speaker 1: I'm not there, so I don't want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to say exactly, this is what this team's doing,
Speaker 1: this is what that team's doing. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of Big Ten teams. Who are you know at that level?
Speaker 1: It's Ohio State, Rutgers, I believe, Penn State, UH, Indiana's
Speaker 1: really good. Those those are probably the top four in
Speaker 1: the big ten. Who are we're all on the same level? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is uh, just for Will Compton's sake, where is
Speaker 1: Nebraska their rank in the city category, I'd say they're
Speaker 1: they're how many tiers are we talking here? Like if
Speaker 1: if you if you just say five tiers, they're probably
Speaker 1: tier two, tier three. They're not bad, they're they're good
Speaker 1: at protecting. So they got to know at least something. Yeah, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're around that tier tier two, tier three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in your time obviously we I we've already figured
Speaker 3: out that. You know who States Connor Stallions is. Did
Speaker 3: you ever trade information with them?
Speaker 1: Again, the only time was not directly. I gave something
Speaker 1: to give to someone to give to someone to give
Speaker 1: to him to help him.
Speaker 4: Did they ever get that wins you.
Speaker 1: To help them? Did they?
Speaker 3: Did they ever approach anybody from a hoose state of
Speaker 3: approach you about future teams or anything like that or
Speaker 3: was it kind of like we just don't talk to
Speaker 3: each other?
Speaker 1: No? Zero percent?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Ohio State had the OG signals from somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they they definitely were utilizing Stolen's signals
Speaker 1: well before we were definitely so you're a whare Dave?
Speaker 1: That goes back to the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: You're aware of Dave Portnoy and champagne bottles?
Speaker 1: What about him? Are you aware of them? No?
Speaker 3: So Dave has all of his biggest enemies in the world.
Speaker 3: He has champagne bottles, and when then they fall, he
Speaker 3: opens that champagne bottle and he drinks it.
Speaker 4: Who would be your number one champagne bottle?
Speaker 1: Team, life, person, him, anybody? It's gotta be Ryan Day,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's your.
Speaker 4: Champagne, but that's your champagne bottle. I will tell you this.
Speaker 4: You're so bagrated to pop one open. You're just waiting
Speaker 4: for the dominoes to fall. We were in Columbus for
Speaker 4: a spring tour last year, right, it would be Ryan Day?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who would be your next champagne bottle?
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I've Ohio States, like that's your goes moral
Speaker 4: and only number one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who would be your second champagne bottle?
Speaker 4: Person or team or let's person, let's do person.
Speaker 1: That's gotta be up there, that would make things easier.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a fan of Michigan State, and
Speaker 1: that's not a person, but I got nothing against uh
Speaker 1: Jonathan Smith. He's their new head coach. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was Mel Tucker before the that was Mark D'Antonio.
Speaker 1: Antonio was a dog.
Speaker 4: He did a great job.
Speaker 1: I respect him. Yeah, I'm not a fan.
Speaker 3: No, I will tell you this, I hate Michigan.
Speaker 1: State more than a house state. I'm right there with you,
Speaker 1: are you really when you grow up in the state
Speaker 1: of Michigan, you're surrounded by spartans, not buck guys. So
Speaker 1: like nationally the game, right, obviously that's the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you prepare for that game all year, no doubt,
Speaker 1: but like when it comes down to like this is
Speaker 1: personal Michigan State for.
Speaker 4: The state title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: Tier talk, so tear talk is I'll explain it to you.
Speaker 4: So we go through our top three talk. Okay, you've
Speaker 4: seen it.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna start with your tier three, then you
Speaker 3: go your tier two, then your tier one. Our tier
Speaker 3: talk today is best spies, not best spies or best spice,
Speaker 3: best spies.
Speaker 4: So I'm ready to go. Do we have a god teer?
Speaker 4: Do you want to say on three?
Speaker 1: One two three?
Speaker 3: Okay, Connor Stallions will be our god teer. So Connor
Speaker 3: is our god teer spy.
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm character yeah, yeah, So I'll go first. My
Speaker 3: tier three is going to be Sterling Archer from the
Speaker 3: show Archer. I think he's an alcoholic, but he always
Speaker 3: finds a way to get the job done. I think
Speaker 3: that show is incredibly well done. I I I just
Speaker 3: I love the show. He is a fantastic spot. My
Speaker 3: tier two is going to be.
Speaker 1: Jason Bourne.
Speaker 4: Jason.
Speaker 3: There's been a argument on this bus for a long time.
Speaker 3: Who is it who would win to fight Jason Bourne
Speaker 3: or John Wick? My after what rewatching the Jason Bournes,
Speaker 3: It's clear as day this guy just stays one step
Speaker 3: ahead of everybody. Now would be very interesting to see
Speaker 3: based on how technology advanced as his movies came out.
Speaker 3: They're no longer doing flip phones, if you would be
Speaker 3: able to keep the pace. But he's my tier two
Speaker 3: and my tier one. Who would have been my god
Speaker 3: teer given that everybody else felt and felt the same
Speaker 3: way as gonna be James Bond. I think James Bond
Speaker 3: is the OG. I love the fact that every ten
Speaker 3: years or so they just recycle the storylines, new new
Speaker 3: James Bond.
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 4: It is just it's all fucking time. It's all time.
Speaker 4: So that is my tier talk boys in the back
Speaker 4: buss you.
Speaker 6: Sneaky, all hyphenated, get some rest, Pam, you look tired.
Speaker 12: Decent, fuck you jack, technical, military, solid, you need want
Speaker 12: one more.
Speaker 1: I'm also trying to think of my three at the
Speaker 1: same time.
Speaker 3: Elite Okay, all right, well yeah, well we got there.
Speaker 1: I mean because I mean two two of my three
Speaker 1: are on there. There you go. I see Sterling that show.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: My tier three is going to be Kim Possible, globally
Speaker 4: fighting crime do what seems like she's got a great personality.
Speaker 4: My Tier two is going to be Harry Hart the Kingsman,
Speaker 4: special agent mentor to Gary Eggsy Unwin. And my tier
Speaker 4: one Sneaky. It's going to be the scout piece in
Speaker 4: the board game Stratigo. You're able to manipulate this piece
Speaker 4: around and when it gets exposed, it's ultimately like you're
Speaker 4: you're trying to smoke out other pieces on the board.
Speaker 4: And I love Stratigo growing up. One on one just
Speaker 4: a chess match where you're trying to protect your flag,
Speaker 4: kind of capture the flag. You can place bombs around
Speaker 4: it and there. Then there are ranks from like one
Speaker 4: all the way to maybe ten, maybe eight. But then
Speaker 4: there's a scout piece. I can kind of move around,
Speaker 4: maneuver around that. You want to smoke out, and uh,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with the scout piece.
Speaker 1: Hyphenated front runner, front runner almost.
Speaker 5: Dun dun dunnan, hyphenated first half team.
Speaker 1: Hyphenated lost me.
Speaker 7: Nerd whatever, bitches, bitches, interesting, thank you, Yeah, you're up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go number three Spy kids, Okay, I was
Speaker 1: checking them out. Yeah, you know, it's one of the
Speaker 1: it's gotta be the first spy movie I've ever watched.
Speaker 1: Number two, I gotta go with James Bond and number
Speaker 1: one Born like Born You like Born over Wick. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's all I need to hear. Gay, Oh yeah, inspector gadget.
Speaker 1: It's a good one. It's a good one. There's a
Speaker 1: lot out there, though, well the best ones you can't
Speaker 1: talk about, correct. Yeah, in the spy Museum, No we did.
Speaker 1: I I've been in the spot museum. Oh, well played,
Speaker 1: and thanks for coming.
Speaker 4: My one word.
Speaker 13: Manifesto detailed prose, calculative, classic.
Speaker 11: Classics hyphenated all business.
Speaker 3: Boy, just give a mind a plus collect really contacted
Speaker 3: you Friday. You're here on Monday. I really appreciate you
Speaker 3: coming in the insight everything it has been literally swept
Speaker 3: the nation, all the things that happened to come out
Speaker 3: of that manifesto of yours.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you taking having to sit down with us. Yes, sir,
Speaker 4: and this is your first like long form interview since
Speaker 4: all of it, right, besides the document.
Speaker 1: Documentary, besides my nine hour master interview for the documentary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, thank you. This was I enjoyed every minute.
Speaker 4: I would have would have enjoyed being in the trenches
Speaker 4: with you and playing for you. I would have loved
Speaker 4: every fucking minute of it.
Speaker 1: He would have.
Speaker 4: Yes, their coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but.
Speaker 4: Also I know you want to give me the ball.
Speaker 1: Well maybe we can pull the guard and hand it
Speaker 1: off to him, no doubt. Southeastern, watch out, watch out.
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Speaker 4: That was incredible, awesome, that was incredible.
Speaker 7: That