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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show. Hi, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury,

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Speaker 1: Todd's a lucky part of the foul Territory Network. It's Friday,

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Speaker 1: August second, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: On Wednesday, the Phillies lose and after the game, Bryce

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Speaker 1: is talking to the reporters and somebody says, you know

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Speaker 1: when you're going when you're struggling, would you like to

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Speaker 1: keep playing or would you look for it? Are you

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the day off? And Brace goes, I

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Speaker 1: want the day off. I want the day off.

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Speaker 2: What did you guys do on your day off yesterday?

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Speaker 2: To clear your mind? Ruben? And I knew you were.

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Speaker 2: I knew you were golf on it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, we flew in dvery early because we had the

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Speaker 3: off day here and as we had a fly coast

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Speaker 3: to coast. But I had a great day and seat

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Speaker 3: and I really liked this city. A lot going on

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Speaker 3: here is beautiful, especially this time of the year.

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Speaker 2: It's not raining.

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Speaker 3: You can get great coffee at the original Starbucks. But uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, took a took a walk down. Uh you

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Speaker 3: know by where the ferries were and all that. But

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Speaker 3: then a bunch of the broadcast guys and Kevin Greg

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Speaker 3: we all went to play a little golf at Gold Mountain.

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Speaker 2: But on the way back, so we drove out there.

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Speaker 2: It's actually by Tacoma.

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Speaker 3: It's near Tacoma Gig Harbor in that area and had

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Speaker 3: a great day at golf.

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Speaker 2: It was Tom McCarthy, Scott Franski, Kevin Stocker and.

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Speaker 3: Kevin was the one who kind of put this thing together.

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Speaker 3: Was great, uh and Kevin Greg It was great. Stocks

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Speaker 3: brothers came there there from this you know, Pacific Northwest,

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Speaker 3: so his mother, Steve.

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Speaker 2: Was there, ex cop.

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Speaker 3: We had a great time, man, We really did that

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Speaker 3: mentioned Scott Fanski as well. Anyway, we took a faerry

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Speaker 3: back and we drove out and then we took the

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Speaker 3: ferry back Puget Sound. It was just spectacular. I love

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Speaker 3: the area. I love how beautiful and serene it is.

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Speaker 3: And Uh, I got a chance to enjoy it a

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Speaker 3: little bit when I first signed I signed, when I

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Speaker 3: first signed with the Angels Northwest League. We did a

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Speaker 3: lot of traveling up and down the Pacific Northwest there

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Speaker 3: and and fell in love with it. Then then played

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Speaker 3: in the PCL years later fell in love with it again.

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Speaker 3: A really really beautiful area and it's a great place

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Speaker 3: to visit, really is true.

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Speaker 2: Joy got away from a little bit. Actually yeah, but

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Speaker 2: how did you hit him? Though? Who won? Who? Actually? Well?

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Speaker 2: I think Kevin probably Kevin Stock. Kevin's Kevin. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: has a good goal for second five or he's like

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Speaker 3: But I actually shot what forty five and then a

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Speaker 3: thirty eight on the back nine, which was good. It's

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Speaker 3: thirty eight on the back nine was spectacular for me,

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Speaker 3: so I was very very happy about that. I had

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Speaker 3: a couple of birdies in there.

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Speaker 2: And not fantastic, fantastic. What you what'd you do? Jim? Well?

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Speaker 4: I worked in the garden. You know, it was really

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Speaker 4: hot here. It's very very hot here back home, and

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Speaker 4: I worked in the garden.

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Speaker 2: My garden has.

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Speaker 4: Reached the jungle stage because when I put it in,

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Speaker 4: you know, I have all this open space and I

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Speaker 4: put stuff everywhere because I get very enthusiastic. But you know,

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Speaker 4: a couple months later I paid the price because everything

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Speaker 4: is like a jungle. I can't even walk in there.

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Speaker 4: But it's been a great year, great year for tomatoes,

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Speaker 4: and I want to show you this.

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Speaker 2: I brought a show and tell item you did all right?

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Speaker 4: This is Oh, it's like a big as my head.

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Speaker 2: So that's gonna so this is a great plug. You

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Speaker 2: got to watch the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: Tot's see Jimmy holding his gargantuan tomato.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be a nice, nice tomato sandwich right there.

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Speaker 2: It's a little steroid in there. Ye like, I'll give

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Speaker 2: you an idea.

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Speaker 4: Here's my coffee cup and here's how big it is.

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Speaker 2: It's huge, bigger than my nose. That's awesome. Do they

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Speaker 2: taste good though? Are they sweet?

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Speaker 4: There's nothing better than a homegrown tomato? Put it between

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Speaker 4: slice of bread, little mayo, cheese, salt, pepper. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's just like you do one every I do eat

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Speaker 1: Jim will bring these in late in the season, Ruben,

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Speaker 1: he'll bring them into the press box because he'll have

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Speaker 2: I freeze them.

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Speaker 4: I give him to the neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Give him. Yeah, you're a very giving man. You're very,

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Speaker 1: He is very I'm I'm very happy that Ruben, you

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Speaker 1: had a good day. And and Jim, your garden is growing.

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Speaker 2: I was just home.

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Speaker 1: I was just home handling the kids yesterday, shuttling and

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Speaker 1: back and forth from different camps and whatnot. My son

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Speaker 1: was just finished this last day of spy camp. So

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Speaker 1: basically it sounds like I just played video games all day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what he did.

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Speaker 2: But and then I flew out last night.

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Speaker 1: So I knocked out Oppenheimer and the New Mission.

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Speaker 2: Oppenheimer.

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Speaker 1: Oppenheim, Sorry, Oppenheimer Oppenheimer. Yeah, it was a great movie,

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Speaker 1: great movie.

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Speaker 2: So really, I haven't seen it. Yeah, it's good. It's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, check it Out's on Amazon Prime for free. So well,

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Speaker 1: we all cleared our minds yesterday. Hopefully the Phillies cleared

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Speaker 2: Did, because something's got to change. Guys.

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Speaker 1: They've lost eleven out of their last fifteen, you know,

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Speaker 1: in that stretch. They've lost three and a half games

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Speaker 1: in the standings of the Braves. They've lost four games

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Speaker 2: Well, obviously you obviously get a little jittery, but because

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Speaker 2: they just haven't played well for a longer period of time,

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Speaker 2: and you would think, especially with Tyl on this ball club.

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Speaker 3: But I did what I did see, and I know

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Speaker 3: But that said, you know, they did have some fight

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like they're laying you know, laying over

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Speaker 2: As good as the early part of the season.

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Speaker 3: They've lost Ranger for a while, and the kid Tyler

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Speaker 3: Phillips pitch extraordinarily, was.

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Speaker 2: Going to pitch again tonight.

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Speaker 3: See how he handles being in Seattle on away from Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm uh, I'm okay.

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Speaker 3: I think that obviously it's a much much better ball

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Speaker 2: You know, Estevas has been excellent.

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Speaker 2: I like the guy.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, but the big boys have to come start

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Speaker 3: coming through. I mean, Turner and Harper really not been

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I honestly think I think you turn

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Speaker 4: Don't try to do too much. Go out, have a

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Speaker 4: good first hitting. Okay, we did that. Go out, have

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Speaker 4: this turnaround starts in a lot of ways, at least offensively,

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Speaker 4: with situational hitting. And I'm not saying play small ball,

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Speaker 4: because you know, I'd rather have a ball that goes

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Speaker 4: It was kind of a scene that they couldn't get

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Speaker 4: with some good situational hitting, some productive outs, get that

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Speaker 2: Take the one run. You get one, they got to

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Speaker 4: That's how it's That's how it's gonna I think the

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Speaker 4: There's twelve teams making the postseason. They're one of the

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Speaker 4: the postseason. They banked a lot of wins. Their record

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Speaker 2: But you know that lead.

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Speaker 4: You know, if this bad stretch continues a little longer

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Speaker 4: you start to get a little concern, So it's time

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Speaker 4: with small chunks, situational hitting, starting pitching, just going out

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Speaker 4: win that one inning, win the second inning, and then

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Speaker 4: the big boys should should get it going. A lot

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Speaker 4: of teams go through this, Orioles are going through it.

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Speaker 4: Yankees went through it, and they you know, they sort

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Speaker 4: of turned it around in Boston and then took it

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Speaker 4: to the Phillies. There's no reason this thing can't turn around.

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Speaker 4: They do have the personnel to do it. And then,

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Speaker 4: you know, but I think it's going to start on

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Speaker 4: this trip. What would you take on this trip? Would

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Speaker 4: be happy with five hundred and I guess the way

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Speaker 4: they're going, I guess we'd have.

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Speaker 1: To be Yeah, I think five hundre would be a

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Speaker 1: good road trip because all three of these teams are

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Speaker 1: playoffs at the season. End of today, all three of

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Speaker 1: these teams are in the postseason. Mariners are tied with

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Speaker 1: the Astros in the AL West. Dodgers, we know they're

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Speaker 1: two and a half back of the Phillies for the

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Speaker 1: I think right now are a wildcard team. So I

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Speaker 1: think five and five would be pretty good, and anything

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Speaker 2: Right I would take a five hundred road trip. It's

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Speaker 2: not an easy road trip.

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Speaker 3: I think there is some feeling that they get to

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Speaker 2: That is all those guys, Cardinal sin Man, Cardinal Sin.

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Speaker 4: That went the loss of control slash command.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, like Rob has said the past past

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Speaker 2: It's a confidence thing.

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Speaker 3: It's a confidence thing because the stuff's there, the talents there,

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Speaker 4: So I'm sure this whole team is pressing and thinking

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Speaker 4: good game tonight, I will.

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Speaker 2: Tell you that.

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Speaker 3: So on the flight, on the flight out here with

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Speaker 3: So let's go out there and win this game today,

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Speaker 1: It's the worst slump by any Philies hitter since Rys

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Speaker 3: It's what's clear that he's such an important part of

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Speaker 2: Let themselves be themselves, know thyself, know.

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Speaker 1: Thyself exactly right. Yeah, I mean you got j T

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Speaker 2: What do we maybe you know, maybe win a series, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, Seattle they can really pitch. They've struggled with offense.

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Speaker 4: Mean, these two are the overall statistics for the season.

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Speaker 2: Two of the best pitching staffs in all baseball.

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Speaker 4: I think Seattle might be number one ye on the

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Speaker 4: pitching front. Because we're probably won't get together until Monday.

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Speaker 4: What do we expect from Zach Wheeler on Sunday?

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Speaker 2: I think he's good. I think he's gonna throw a

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Speaker 2: complete game, shutout. I really do. Why. I think why,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like this guy a little bit. I

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Speaker 3: I think he's pissed, and I think he's like, you

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Speaker 3: know what, I'm not happy about my last performance.

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Speaker 2: It's time for me to just go bust. And I

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Speaker 2: think Zach Zach does, but he doesn't pict off. He

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Speaker 2: can get salty. I think he's gonna bounce back in

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Speaker 2: a fine way. I kind of feel the same way.

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Speaker 4: I kind of feel like he's probably been stewing in

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Speaker 4: that outing for about four days and somebody might pay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach, I agree with you there.

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Speaker 1: I think Zach has probably been sitting there going I

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Speaker 1: can't believe I gave up seven runs of the Yankees

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Speaker 1: in that game.

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Speaker 2: That was, you know, and that's.

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Speaker 1: Probably probably probably bothering him a little bit. So they

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Speaker 1: got Tyler Phillips tonight, Kolby Aller tomorrow, than Zach Wheeler

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Speaker 1: on Sunday, so you know, they're they're.

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Speaker 2: Hoping they can get something to watch. Guys.

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Speaker 1: As this road trip continues, Ranger Suarez possibly coming back

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. Uh, Taiwan Walker is gonna throw another rehab

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Speaker 1: start early next week with Lehigh Valley, and.

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Speaker 2: Rob said they could come back around the same time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's actually gonna happen, but maybe

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Speaker 1: Tywan Walker we'll be back soon, which means probably, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't Tyler Phillips, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Phillips, maybe maybe maybe Kolobie Albert Aller.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying if if Ranger and Taiwan and both

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Speaker 1: come back at the same time, yeah, Aller definitely will

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Speaker 1: be the first man out.

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Speaker 2: No Phillips.

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Speaker 4: Phillips is gonna have something to say about how patient

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Speaker 4: they are in bringing back probably Walker. Maybe they you know,

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Speaker 4: take their time a little bit because they get another

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Speaker 4: good one from Tyler Phillips. I'm in no hurry to

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Speaker 4: to move on from here.

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Speaker 2: I keep riding that baby.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean, you know, Walker really hasn't thrown

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Speaker 3: all that well, and he didn't throw well in his

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Speaker 3: first rehab out, and so it'd be interesting to see

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Speaker 3: whether you know, you're right, Jim. I mean, I listen,

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Speaker 3: this kid's earned his opportunity. He's pitched extraordinarily well. I

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Speaker 3: am interested to see how he bounces back from that outing,

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Speaker 3: his last outing. You know, we've seen complete game shutouts

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Speaker 3: and the following effort afterwards. We'll see how this kid

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Speaker 3: handles it against this uh, this sort of a knemic offense.

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Speaker 2: You're you're right, Jim. They're starting to swamp.

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Speaker 3: Swing the bat a little bit better, and they've gotten

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Speaker 3: a better two better bats in that lineup. That said,

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Speaker 3: we're still pretty terrible offensively, yeah, and they are. They

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Speaker 3: racked up a lot of those runs against the White Sox,

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Speaker 3: who stink.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they stink. So see, we'll see, So we'll see

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Speaker 2: how it goes.

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Speaker 4: How hard must it must have been to show up

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Speaker 4: at the ballpark every day. If you're Chicago White Sox.

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Speaker 3: It's it's off. It's it's historically it's historically off.

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Speaker 1: They're on pace to lose like over one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty games.

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Speaker 2: Do they win forty games? Do they win forty games?

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Speaker 2: That's the question.

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Speaker 1: Somebody said, I I think I think this was.

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Speaker 3: Many many minor leaguele A and double a team to

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Speaker 3: compete them right now.

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Speaker 1: I think this was on uh, foul territory or fair territory.

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Speaker 1: That said, if you take out their two fourteen game

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Speaker 1: losing streaks, they still have the worst winning percentage in baseball.

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Speaker 2: That's bad. That's bad. And they didn't trade anybody.

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Speaker 1: They didn't They didn't really trade anybody either.

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Speaker 2: They should have gotten more than something start this rebuild.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole that's a whole other story. It could

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Speaker 2: be worse, Phillies fans.

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Speaker 6: It could be Chicago White Sox's correct.

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Speaker 4: Things are actually you know, you talk about micro and

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Speaker 4: macro in the In the micro things are difficult right now,

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Speaker 4: and the macro, this team still has. It has a

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Speaker 4: lot of good things called for it.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, no one else nationally speaking, you know,

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Speaker 1: a foul territory MLB Network watching all those shows the

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Speaker 1: last week, no one's talking about how the Phillies are screwed,

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Speaker 1: or how they're in trouble, or how they're nervous, because

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of like the Phillies are kind of

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Speaker 1: playing bad right now. But nationally speaking, nobody is worried

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Speaker 1: about the Phillies.

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Speaker 2: Phillies fans and you know, people.

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Speaker 1: That watch them every day, of course, I think they

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Speaker 1: get a little tense and little tight, but nationally everybody's going, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Phillies Dodgers, two best teams in the

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Speaker 1: National League.

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Speaker 2: You know what's gonna happen in the American League. So perspective,

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Speaker 2: little little perspective as we as we end the show, Jim,

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Speaker 2: go out and enjoy the garden today.

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Speaker 6: Send me a picture of your kick ass.

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Speaker 3: Tighten up your jungle a little bit, Tim, the jungle.

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Speaker 2: I'm teaming.

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Speaker 4: I'm teaming with tomatoes.

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Speaker 2: I'm uh I could see him sweating, you know.

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Speaker 1: Going through the machete, going through his tomatoes.

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Speaker 4: Tomato with the bunnies and the groundhogs and the deer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll try to bring some some wins from the

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Speaker 3: West coast here boys, all right, see how it goes.

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Speaker 1: Guys, guys, we'll be back on We'll be back on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, having good weekend.

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Speaker 4: Smelly later, boys, Smelly Jim.

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