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Speaker 1: Donald Countison. One two, No, Donald down, donalds go down.

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Speaker 1: That's not what I meant.

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Speaker 2: Three two, Well, then that's you gotta say. You said

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Speaker 2: count us in. I thought you were like Donald, count

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Speaker 2: us down. There we go because counting us in is

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Speaker 2: you know, like the song.

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Speaker 1: Is like seven eight right exactly, your song count us

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Speaker 1: into our song?

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Speaker 2: Donald, I really don't want to anymore.

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Speaker 1: Five six, seven eight. You want fame, well, fame costs,

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Speaker 1: and right here is where you start paying in sweat,

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Speaker 1: Debbie Allen Fame the TV show Thank You.

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Speaker 3: Here's some stories that show we made about a bunch

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Speaker 3: of docs and nurses, and I said, here's the story

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Speaker 3: nets so here yead.

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Speaker 1: All right, listen, we have Donald one of our first

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Speaker 1: We have our first real guest.

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Speaker 2: Yes we do. And I'm really excited about this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there could be a more appropriate guest.

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Speaker 1: Because he's the reason that we're here. He's the reason

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Speaker 1: we're friends. He's the reason that this show happened, that

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Speaker 1: so many people across the world love, and it all

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Speaker 1: came from his brain.

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Speaker 2: He's the reason why I'm in my why I have

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Speaker 2: a closet that I can stay in right now.

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Speaker 1: He's the reason I have a desk. He's the reason

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Speaker 1: I have a desk. He's the reason I have this

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Speaker 1: water bottle. I always say that to our next guest

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Speaker 1: jokingly but also seriously whenever I buy myself, even like

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Speaker 1: occasionally I buy him dinner and he's so grateful, and

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Speaker 1: I say, are you kidding? I can only buy you

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Speaker 1: this dinner because of you, ladies and gentlemen. The creator

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Speaker 1: of Scrubs, mister Bill Lawrence.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I pretended to not even be in the frame,

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Speaker 4: even though this is not a video thing.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I know I wish we were recording so

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Speaker 2: people could see that.

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Speaker 1: I want people. I want people at home to know

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Speaker 1: that even though we're not recording the video, Bill hid

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Speaker 1: on on the Zoom app and made an appearance.

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Speaker 4: Hey, that was too nice and of an introduction, because

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Speaker 4: you guys would have both done fine without me. I

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Speaker 4: like that. I can claim credit for your success and

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Speaker 4: well being, but you would have found your way regardless.

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Speaker 1: Well that's nice of you to say, but you definitely

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Speaker 1: changed both of our lives a lot and a big way,

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Speaker 1: and also made something that very rarely happens. I'm finding

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Speaker 1: as I attempt to make TV shows and produce them,

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Speaker 1: and something that went nine years, and something that is

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Speaker 1: a global success. And I guess the first logical question

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Speaker 1: I wrote down in my notes is how did Because

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Speaker 1: I was listening to this, I want to know how

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Speaker 1: you came up with the idea? How did it? How

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Speaker 1: did the seed come to you in the first place?

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Speaker 4: You guys both know there was a medical advisor on

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Speaker 4: the show named j D, and he's the real JD,

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Speaker 4: and he's my best friend in college.

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Speaker 5: He was a fuck up and a curse on.

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Speaker 1: You, curse away, Bill, go nuts, let loose.

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 5: He was a screw up.

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Speaker 4: I went the other way, and.

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Speaker 5: I used to joke with him because he was such

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Speaker 4: Student that he went back to college to go to

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Speaker 5: I mean to pre med a second time.

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Speaker 4: So we'll getting to med school. I said, my biggest

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Speaker 4: nightmare would be waking up in an emergency room and

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Speaker 5: Gonna be fine.

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Speaker 4: And I just thought that would be a good TV

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Speaker 4: talk about how all these stories, especially the early ones,

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Speaker 4: are ones straight from his life, you know, worrying that

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Speaker 4: falling in love with a different girl in his residency program,

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Speaker 4: more relevant than ever because he has become the Kelso

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Speaker 4: at a Kaiser hospital Wells Peelis, and he's there running

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Speaker 4: their COVID virus command center today as we speak.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that you tweeted something about that, So

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Speaker 1: tell us, like, because you're in you must be. You're

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he's superpals. He he's a heart surgeon and

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Speaker 5: I'm really proud, and I said, hey, is the real JD.

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Speaker 4: He married the real Elliott and he's out there fighting

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Speaker 4: the fight and it became viral on a news story

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Speaker 4: and stuff in our basketball game that Donald has played

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Speaker 4: in before, and in this episode you can see that

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Speaker 4: Donald can play ball JD played in that game and

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Speaker 4: he tore his rotator cuff, so he can't be a

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Speaker 4: heart surgeon as much because it, you know, aggravates his injury.

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Speaker 4: So he took the Kelso job the same way. Doctor

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Speaker 4: Cox took the Kelso job late in life, and he

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Speaker 2: That said game you speak of is probably the roughest

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Speaker 2: game I've ever played in in my life. Jaws being broke,

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Speaker 2: noses broke, its quested.

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Speaker 5: It's a bunch of dumb comedy writers too.

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Speaker 2: Man, Oh my gosh, it's violent. It's so violent. It's violent, dude,

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Speaker 2: it's violent.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot older now, Donald, we're all, I mean,

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Speaker 4: we're the old guys. Now, there's a wave of young guy.

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Speaker 4: My son plays Will and I sent Zach a video

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill, send me a video Will dunky. He's like,

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Speaker 1: If you if you had sent me that kid singing

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Speaker 1: bring him Home from lim Is, I would have cried.

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Speaker 2: You would have lost your mind. You would have lost

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Speaker 2: your mind. Oh, by the way, Zach, I am so

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Speaker 1: I would have had it on repeat. I literally would

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Speaker 1: have just been playing Will singing bring him Home?

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Speaker 2: Bill. When you were younger, could you dunk? Did you not?

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Speaker 2: You cannot dunk? When I was younger, I could. But

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Speaker 4: Donald Will does it? Will does it now aggressively. It's

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Like on the Spin move on to Break.

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Speaker 4: You can do it off the dribble, and he can

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to JD for the real

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Speaker 1: just for those of you who don't know, a medical

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Speaker 2: You know. His wife would also uh cover for him

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Speaker 2: And I remember being, okay, this could this is gonna be.

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Speaker 4: And Donald it's a great point because you know, JD

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Speaker 1: I get that all the time, Bill and people on

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Speaker 1: I've always said and correct me if I'm wrong, that

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Speaker 4: We had to they, you know, they initially even before

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Speaker 4: the masks. But you guys need to look competent, people

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Speaker 4: needing to die, the rooms to be grungy, and to

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Speaker 5: Going back and forth, between serious and goofy tone.

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Speaker 4: You know, I heard Donald talking about that in your

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Speaker 1: When you came up, you were coming off of Spin

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Speaker 2: But I was going to ask, should we go through

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Speaker 2: I mean, not that you want to sit here and

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Speaker 4: That's that's a good writer trick. You put an imaginary

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Speaker 5: The dude is a true story.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not even going to out him because hes

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Speaker 1: obviously want to know from your experience because we shared

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Speaker 1: our experience in the in the first episode, but your

442
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 1: experience of of finding Donald.

443
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Speaker 4: Uh.

444
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 5: I was a Donald fan already.

445
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 4: I'd seen Klulis, you know, and uh, I just thought

446
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 4: he was really funny and and and he killed all

447
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,200
Speaker 4: his auditions and uh in the test part of it.

448
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Speaker 4: You know, it's really interesting because I feel like I

449
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 4: both hurt and then saved Donald in a way. To

450
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,679
Speaker 4: make myself look like a hero feel pretty cool about it,

451
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 4: which is, you know, the one thing I tell people

452
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 4: that don't understand what network tests used to be. It

453
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,520
Speaker 4: literally used to be that you would come as an

454
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 4: actor and actress and stand in the head of casting's

455
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 4: office while twenty people were in the back sitting or

456
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 4: you know, leaning against the window judging you, and you'd

457
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 4: have one chance. If you're actually shooting the show, you'd

458
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 4: have twenty chances, but you'd have one chance to do

459
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 4: it not mess up, you know, and also somehow make

460
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Speaker 4: a room of people that all feel weird to be

461
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Speaker 4: standing in someone's office anyways. Laugh.

462
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Speaker 5: So I used to tell everybody.

463
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Speaker 4: You know, the biggest curse in the world is low energy.

464
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because if you come into

465
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 4: those low energy everybody's going to be like, oh, this

466
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 4: is horrible. And the one mistake I made with Donald

467
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 4: is if you tell Donald, once you dial up that

468
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 4: energy to eleven, I know where this is show, why

469
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 4: don't you make sure you dial that energy up to eleven?

470
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Speaker 5: Everybody, Donald, I mean Donald's like, hello Los Angeles. And

471
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 5: he came in and he did he did his audition.

472
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Speaker 4: And the truth is he did crush all the comedy

473
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 4: about when he left. They're like that guy's energy was

474
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 4: fantastic and he's really funny, but he very obviously can't

475
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 4: do any of the sincere or dramatic moments because he's

476
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Speaker 4: an insane person. And and I'm like, no, no, no,

477
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 4: you can that's me.

478
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: That's me.

479
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Speaker 5: And they never do this.

480
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Speaker 4: But I had luckily been through the process before in

481
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Speaker 4: a different show, and so I went out to Donald

482
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 4: and tried to make it very grave because I wanted

483
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Speaker 4: him to come in then and just play the drama

484
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 4: of everything, you know, because I'm like, I told all

485
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 4: of them, I'm like, look, that's my note. And if

486
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 4: he comes back and does it the other way, you'll

487
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: see you can do whatever we want.

488
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Speaker 5: It's a single camera show, you know.

489
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 4: And I went back to Donald and I'm like, I

490
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 4: think I said something like all right, they thought you

491
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 4: suck shit. Yeah, things, I thought.

492
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Speaker 2: You would come to tell me, all right, you got

493
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: the part. You were like, so I'm walking out. I

494
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: remember skipping into the room like here we go, Here

495
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: we fucking go, And you were like so that really

496
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Speaker 2: was horrible.

497
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Speaker 5: For them. For them, that was too much.

498
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Speaker 4: I think much is the word no, but the uh

499
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Speaker 4: but then I just we talked for a while and

500
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Speaker 4: I'm just like, just dial it down and now play

501
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 4: it like it's not a comedy and play the drama

502
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Speaker 4: of it.

503
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Speaker 5: Donald came back in, and this is.

504
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Speaker 4: A compliment to his acting ability. He came back in

505
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: and then he did it as if he wasn't looking

506
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Speaker 4: for any laughs or energy, and he walked out. I'm

507
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 4: sure shook by doing it again. And the second he

508
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 4: walked out, the head of NBC casting gout named Mark Hirschfeld,

509
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 4: was like, Oh, I see it totally. He's got it.

510
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, well, thank you well. First of all,

511
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,479
Speaker 2: thank you very much for being a hero. And ste

512
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,239
Speaker 2: I'm not a here.

513
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 4: I don't have the best bedside manner.

514
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Speaker 5: You guys know that.

515
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't matter though. Man, you got the

516
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: point across. And look, dude, twenty something years later, I

517
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: owe you a lot. Bro.

518
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Speaker 1: Well, I remember it's so intimidating, I almost I think

519
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: that may have been the first time I ever made

520
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: it to a network test and it was down to

521
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: four of us and literally everyone there must have been

522
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: thirty people crammed into a small office. It was the

523
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: most awkward environment to ever try and do a good job.

524
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Speaker 2: What was this for?

525
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: This was for Scrubs?

526
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: Really?

527
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: It was that guy Mark, wasn't it bill Mark Hirsche Show. Yeah.

528
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Speaker 1: Everyone was crammed into his office and I was very nervous,

529
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Speaker 1: and Sarah was there to read with me for her scenes.

530
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Speaker 1: But I remember feeling my adrenaline come up, like I

531
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: was almost going to have a panic attack, and I

532
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: was like, not today.

533
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know, I cheated. Everybody cheats. I

534
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 4: cheated for the people I wanted to get the part.

535
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 4: So you guys both had extra lines and jokes and

536
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 4: moments that we had all come up with and found

537
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 4: together that other apps actors weren't doing right. And then

538
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: when I at the beginning, when I go in and

539
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: talk to everybody, I'm like, hey, I'm really into everybody

540
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: bringing their own flavor. And so some of these actors

541
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: and actresses have stuff that they've brought on their own

542
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: and I let them do it. But it's not true,

543
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's just you two and

544
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: Sarah had stuff that you brought on your own that

545
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Speaker 4: we let you do.

546
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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't.

547
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Speaker 1: I remember the time thinking that's so awesome. He feels

548
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,959
Speaker 1: like he's rooting for me, but is he doing that

549
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: with everyone? Like I didn't you know that? No, I knew.

550
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: I knew since then you've told me that. But at

551
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Speaker 1: the time I'm thinking, like I think I think I

552
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: might be his favorite, Like I'm getting the extra jokes.

553
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Speaker 4: The you know, the only one that it's great trivia,

554
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 4: the only one that we didn't know what was going

555
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 4: to happen, and we shifted gears a little bit of

556
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 4: like what are we going to do if this doesn't happen?

557
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: It's fascinating And when you have him on the guest

558
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 4: as a guest, I'll tell you I wrote in the

559
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 4: script like we were looking for a John c McGinley

560
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Speaker 4: type for doctor Cox. And John came in and read

561
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 4: it and was fucking he was amazing. And then at

562
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 4: the studio he did something completely different and high energy

563
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 4: John and his intensity dial had been dialed up like

564
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: ten notches, and the reaction of the studio was like, whoa,

565
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 4: that is way too And unlike with you guys, I

566
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: wasn't even confident enough to bring John back in and go, hey,

567
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: you did that wrong, because I feel like what would

568
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: follow would be a hard blow to the face, you know,

569
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 4: Oh my god, get off my neck, Get off my

570
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 4: neck and uh.

571
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 5: And so we had this giant level. Me and the

572
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 5: casting directors, you know, bretton Debbie.

573
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 4: Were like, uh, oh man, who's it going to be

574
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 4: if it? Because for us it was John McGinley, And

575
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: we went into the network and just said just cross

576
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 4: your fingers. And he came into the network and did

577
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 4: it completely different without anybody having spoken to him. And

578
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 4: this the Johnny C dialed down ten notches and literally

579
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: walked out of there as if with the thought. He

580
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: almost said I got this as he left. It was

581
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: just so johnny C. He was older, he did it.

582
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, you feel good? He's like, cash,

583
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 4: see you.

584
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: Johnny C had so many expressions that he would always say.

585
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: We were talking about five good ones and and cash

586
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: and and how he's better now?

587
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 4: How you doing better now?

588
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: Better now?

589
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: How are you doing? Here's five good ones for you.

590
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: How you doing better now? And then how he'd say

591
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: to the editor. We'd finish a scene and our editor's

592
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: name was John Michelle, and he goes, well, we gave

593
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: John Michelle some momo.

594
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: Some ammo. I love that dude, man, that's funny.

595
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: Speaking that you went out for like a Johnny c

596
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: type and everything like that. I find it so funny

597
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: that when that's almost like a gift and a curse

598
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: when they when they say that we talked about this

599
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: in the last podcast, you know what I mean When

600
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: they say we're looking for a Zach Brafft type, they're

601
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: not looking for Zach braff though. They're looking for a Zach.

602
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Speaker 1: Braff They want Zach braff Ish.

603
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Speaker 4: You know what, Although I think I thought it's different

604
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: if like and this is a compliment, like right now,

605
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: both of you guys, you say Zach Brafford, Donald Faizon,

606
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: they're going TV star. When I said John C McGinley type,

607
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 4: at the time, it just meant a character actor, you know,

608
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: with kind of an intensity thing. It wasn't like he

609
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 4: was a household name, you know what I mean. So

610
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: I don't think it cursed him as much because there's

611
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 4: no insult to him. Seven out of ten people that

612
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 4: read the script or like, no, no, no, cool, who's

613
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: John C McGinley, you know what I mean?

614
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 5: And so he didn't.

615
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: Yes, you guy, you mean off the space, but that's

616
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 4: a different guy. No, it's the same guy.

617
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 5: No, that's not the same guy.

618
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 4: So uh now if you say John c McGinley type,

619
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 4: people are like, oh yeah, arms crossed, super intense, you know,

620
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: but that scary, scary, intimidating.

621
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: And then we were we were afraid of Bill in

622
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: the beginning, but then when we got like more friends.

623
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: Said that, well, you know, I did say one thing.

624
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: I did say one thing, and because of it, because

625
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: of it, it stuck with me for the rest of

626
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 2: the fucking show. And I said one time, I was like,

627
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: you know, Bill said to everybody, He was like, look,

628
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to write for all of you whatever you do,

629
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: just don't come in my fucking office and say, how

630
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: come I'm not in the show this week. And so

631
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: as a joke, I went into his office. I was like, dude,

632
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 2: I'm fucking barely in the show this week. And he

633
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, you got Faison And that stuck

634
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: with me. But do you remember phase on dude, Oh.

635
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: My goodness, I totally forgot about that. So Donald did that.

636
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: And then for the rest of the show, when you

637
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: were when you were late, when you barely had anything

638
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: to do in the episode, people like, oh man, I

639
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: got faison, I gotason. I remember.

640
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 5: There's only two things I remember like that.

641
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 4: I remember fasoned, and I remember even saying to guest actors,

642
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: see if you guys remember this. A guest actor would

643
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: be like, I still don't think I nailed that line.

644
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, I don't have time for you to

645
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 5: Sarah one Morsey.

646
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: Because there's a song one Sarah one more. She wants

647
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: one more when she's had seven. Because Sarah, no matter

648
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: how many takes she did like, she'd be like the

649
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: director would always be like, Okay, Sarah, you good. Can

650
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: we move on? One more?

651
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 5: One more?

652
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 4: And I'll be like, there's something so good about a

653
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: confused guest actor's face when I'm like, dude, I don't

654
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: have time to Sarah one Morsey right now?

655
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 5: Thought I was speaking like kling On.

656
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: It is gibberish.

657
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: That song had like a nice hook to it. She

658
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: wants one more when she's had five.

659
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: So hey, you know what's interesting? I can I remember

660
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 4: something donald about someone choosing to take in this episode.

661
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 4: I wish I could remember who said. It might have

662
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: been Neil Goldman because he was up on set, but

663
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: it's in the cut, and I didn't have it in

664
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 4: the initial cut, and he said there's one take where

665
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: Donald comes in and says, uh, does has anybody seen

666
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 4: my keys? How about my wallet? And he says, hell

667
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: about my wallet? Like Chris Rock about. I literally went

668
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: back to the cut and I went back to the cut,

669
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: watched that master and You're like, how about my wallet?

670
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Donald? Was that Chris Rock inspired?

671
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, now, that's probably Eddie Murphy inspired. Obviously, Yeah,

672
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: but it was there. How well, there's there's that one

673
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 2: and the one that we used to laugh at all

674
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: the time from this episode is I tried to discover something.

675
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: I remember we laughed for days about that.

676
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: You're really funny in this episode.

677
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: I wanted to say, yes, you are.

678
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: Now that we're talking about the episode, I.

679
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Was going to say that we can segue to these

680
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: This is.

681
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Episode three, uh, my best Friend's Mistake, and first of all,

682
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: as a show, caught our stride. I feel like in

683
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: this episode. Now, the next episode that's after this is

684
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: My Old Lady and I think that's the third episode

685
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: we shot, but this episode aired before My Old Lady Whip.

686
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm correct, Bill, Why why were Donald and I? You'll

687
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: have the answer to this. Both Donald and I forever

688
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: have always said, oh, one of three was the episode

689
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: where we lose three patients, and it was kind of

690
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: like a good hitting our stride moment. And then both

691
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: of us this morning went to go rewatch the show

692
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, one of three is not that?

693
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Did they twitch around?

694
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 5: I'm almost positive, but I gotta go look.

695
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: The pilot and the next one or two were directed

696
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: by Adam Bernstein.

697
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can help you out because Joelle, our amazing producer,

698
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: made a note here that she said, I read this

699
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: was originally supposed to be episode two, this one.

700
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: It wasn't that as much as because we fixed that

701
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: in scripting stage. They wanted me to repilot and I

702
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: wrote episode two that you guys talked about. And then

703
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: Adam didn't want to go away for a week and

704
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 4: come back, so he was directing two episodes in a row.

705
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: I think we crossboarded even a little bit. I can't remember,

706
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: off to check. And then Mark Bucklin directed The Mild Lady.

707
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: After this, even though it was the third episode, we

708
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: were going to split them up, okay, because Adam was

709
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 4: it coming from New York and even though we were

710
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 4: going to go, you're going to direct the first episode.

711
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: In the third episode, he's like, yeah, I'm not flying

712
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 4: home and coming back. I'll do all the prep before

713
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 4: do him, you know, because he's a quirky character.

714
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: So then we slipped New York. Still this day, I've

715
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: tried to get him to come do with other things

716
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: in the years since, and he's like, I don't really

717
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: like to leave New York.

718
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 4: Donald smart because we did catch our stride with two things,

719
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: and I'll see if you guys that we used to

720
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: have this big wall of things that we were trying

721
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: to establish as motifs for the show, and this one

722
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: was we had a super long discussion. The reason we

723
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 4: did that runner about how important music was going to

724
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: be in this show. And so we're like, we're even

725
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: going to make a song travel around the show like

726
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 4: a virus, and you know that'll be the start of

727
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: how queuing people in that music isn't just background on

728
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: this show. It has huge importance. You know. The song

729
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: that we chose, I'm So in Love with You, you know,

730
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 4: just gonna be able to it was it was specifically

731
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: about what was going on in those scenes. It wasn't

732
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: just a viral song, and we were trying to train

733
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: people to go, oh, I'm supposed to listen to the

734
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 4: words of the song too, because they're about what we're

735
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: actually doing. And the second thing, which is why it

736
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: was important that Bernstein was there, was when we first

737
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: discussed that the camera is a character.

738
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 5: And it's the first time we did a cowboy switch.

739
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: When Zach's running to meet Elliott, that a stuntman dives

740
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: and takes a face plant and the camera doesn't just cut,

741
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: It goes around looking for him like it's like it's

742
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: an actual charity too, you know.

743
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 5: And then Zach puts up like this, Yeah.

744
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 4: So if there was a thought bubble, you could have

745
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: almost looped in the camera going where'd you go? And

746
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 4: and so those two things kind of set a creatative

747
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: course for the show in ways that you know, we

748
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: kind of ran with after this.

749
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't remember this one so much. And then

750
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: as I was watching and I was going, wow, there

751
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: was there's a lot in this episode that are little

752
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: moments that stuck with me forever, like the friend zone

753
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: and and the timer and the creative timer clock thing.

754
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: Every time I see Sarah and and Donald, uh, you know,

755
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that were that were used

756
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: throughout the show too, that that are established here, Like

757
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: it's the first time we see Donald playing basketball, and

758
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: you look very good now and you look very fit.

759
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: I wish I could get back into that shape.

760
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: You can do so they eat too much shit.

761
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: Well, twenty six years old body compared to a forty

762
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: six year old body is a big, big, big, big difference. Man.

763
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: Well, I I really I took notice that you looked fire.

764
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: Well. I accept and receive that, and so did Rob.

765
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 5: Mashioh Rob Roy any of black hair? U?

766
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: I got to tell you, man.

767
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 5: So this is one of the things I get mocked for.

768
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: Why this episode stuck in my head was we all

769
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 4: have those things, like remember when you you share something

770
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 4: with friends that you wish you hadn't or or you're

771
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 4: drunk and you say something to it's a shiver story.

772
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 4: When you think back, you're like, oh.

773
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Yes, Donald getting a nugge to Jef Zucker.

774
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: Yes, so one of mine. And in writer's rooms you

775
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: tell personal stories. Was in a fraternity? Really? I was

776
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 4: in a fraternity? Yeah no, I was?

777
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: And uh uh you were in a fraternity?

778
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I swear Okay. In college, we were all

779
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: drinking and hanging out and I was a little buzzy,

780
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 4: and I had a hometown girlfriend, and you really think

781
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: you can go and you care that much about her,

782
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 4: and I said, and it haunted me for the rest

783
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: of the year. They tortured me. I said, dude, I

784
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: miss her so much it hurts sometimes. And that became

785
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: one of the memes from this show because the mental.

786
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you of all the memes and and

787
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: anything I get, gifts I get sent I miss you

788
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: so much it hurts sometimes, is one of the most common.

789
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 4: And it's also, by the way, the core of how

790
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: to use you know. I said, Look, voiceover can be

791
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: a crutch comedically because it's so easy. And when I teach,

792
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: like the Writers Guild, they're like, what do you mean how,

793
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, the easiest way is to state a

794
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: premise in your voiceover and then do the opposite. An

795
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: example is just tell Turk how you feel without sounding

796
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: like you know a girl for once. I miss you

797
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 4: so much it hurts sometimes, you know. Another one was

798
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 4: when Elliott had the voiceover, or is when Kelso spilled

799
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: stuff on his face. Whatever you do, do not say

800
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: the word splotchy, and I think, j D, I think

801
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: you just said good splotchy, doctor splotch instead of why

802
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 4: would you even say good splot that's not even a work.

803
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: Good splotsheet splotsheet anyways, all right, So I wanted to

804
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: say at forty nine seconds in is my first Muppet

805
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: exit that I ever did in the show Scrubs, which

806
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: which which I always thought of, was when I when

807
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: I would just turn my head. I always I always

808
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: laughed at how Kermit the Frog and all the Muppets

809
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: Sesame Street characters would always turn and then and then

810
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: walk out. Yeah, so I h when I when I

811
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: leave the viewing room here, I sort of do a

812
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: side turn and I just kind of laughed. I think

813
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: that was the first time I tried out my successful

814
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: Muppet exit.

815
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: You used also ever got yeah became.

816
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: Well it was it was a go to bill at

817
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: one eleven. There's an exterior shot of the hospital that

818
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: has never ever seen again, I don't think. And I

819
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: noticed that it says something about women's on the top

820
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: of it.

821
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't.

822
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 5: I didn't paint it out.

823
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: We didn't have the budget at the time to be

824
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: painting or no to be painting things out. But it's

825
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: funny watching the early episodes, there's like, it looks like

826
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: you guys were it looks like someone was like, do

827
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: we have an exterior shot at the hospital? Nah? How

828
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: about that one? All right?

829
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 4: Well, we went and shot a bunch of stuff that

830
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: we used in the pilot, and then once we ran

831
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 4: out of that stuff, we just started shooting into our

832
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: own building.

833
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: Right. But this one was this This was not because

834
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: it says women's something at the top.

835
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it was particularly bad. There's a lot of

836
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: bad stuff in here, guys. You know.

837
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 5: I always get shipped.

838
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: For that because I'm always like you guys, remember my

839
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 4: favorite thing to say when we're so busy is I'll

840
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: take all I'll take all the mail on that, Okay,

841
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: So someone like an editor would come up and go,

842
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: that says women's Like when the letters come and there

843
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: are thousands of them are going to come.

844
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 5: Deer Scrubs used to be a huge fan.

845
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 4: But that hospital exterior said women's on it. You can

846
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 4: send all those letters to me, I'll take all the mail.

847
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 4: And it was such an arrogant, dicky thing to say,

848
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: but I just never got caught up.

849
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: No, but it's true because if they're looking at stuff

850
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: like that, they're not really watching the show, you know

851
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: what I mean.

852
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

853
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: Bill would always said that when when we were like,

854
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: when we were all holding up for something like you're

855
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: in the wrong you're wearing the wrong watch, Bill would

856
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: be like, guys, I'll take all the mail on the

857
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: wrong Watch's.

858
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: That? And then the neatest thing that you could say

859
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: is to say it to John Inwood all the time

860
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 4: was he would make you, guys wait while he went

861
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: and fixed a light, you know, way in the background,

862
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 4: to take you ten minutes.

863
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 5: And when he finally got back to camera, I was.

864
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: Go, Showsaver, sure.

865
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 5: You know we were in real.

866
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: Trouble and you fixed it with that light that's one

867
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: hundred yards in the background.

868
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, the man was passionate. He wanted to get

869
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: it just perfect, Zach.

870
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: That was also the episode was also not only your

871
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 4: first muppet exit. I wish I had a wider frame,

872
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: but the first time that when you got up from

873
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 4: following that you shook out your shoulders.

874
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: Oh really, I'm frozen in a frame. Here at two

875
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: minutes of me in a threesome fantasy with Sarah Chaw

876
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: and another beautiful model and we're all sweaty, And the

877
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: first thing that came in my head was, could you

878
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: even do that today on a half hour single camera

879
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: network comedy.

880
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: Not that cause it was pretty.

881
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 5: Uh suggestive and graphic risque.

882
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: Sure, that was so awesome, by the way, like holy count.

883
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: My job right right.

884
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it was so awesome because that's

885
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: everybody's fantasy to get married and for your wife to

886
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, we could do this, it's going.

887
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: To be It's also one of it's one of the

888
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 4: best outtakes ever. Do you remember that one outtake where

889
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: Zach was like, yeah, keep kissing when the don't stop.

890
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 5: You remember that.

891
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I remember something being like I was like, I know,

892
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: I think I was like keep rolling.

893
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I've had this discussion a lot. There's tons

894
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 4: of things on our show you couldn't do now, correctly

895
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 4: or incorrectly, Like the Todd is an interesting one, oh

896
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 4: you know, And we used to say, like the Todd

897
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 4: started in a way.

898
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember.

899
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: It was always in a banana hammock because I said,

900
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 4: if we're gonna do a young man's fantasies and see

901
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: women's scantily clad. I think we have to see as much,

902
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: if not more, ridiculous male nudity, and so Todd would

903
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: just always be in a banana hammick end he was

904
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: representative of somebody intentionally so crass, are so ludicrous that

905
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: he's to be laughed at and not with. But unfortunately

906
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: I think he was laughed with a lot. Uh So

907
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 4: I don't know if you could do him now. The

908
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 4: one things I always get busted on or two storylines.

909
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 4: One is when the janitor turned JD into a racist,

910
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: and one is when I put Donald's picture on the

911
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: cover of his college magazine twice. Do you remember when

912
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 4: I said, like, your college was so happy to have

913
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: an accomplished, great black guy that you know in their

914
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 4: lily white school that on their brochure, your your pictures

915
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 4: there twice. Yeah, they photoshopped you in twice just to

916
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 4: look like a PC college. You know.

917
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: Well, I noticed that. I noticed that There are a

918
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: lot of things and this is just how how time

919
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: has gone. First, of all the shows about sexual harassment,

920
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 2: which is very uh being too dominant right now, one

921
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: of Hollywood's biggest movie makers is now in jail for

922
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: doing horrible horrible, horrible things, right, but we're touching things

923
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: like that that are kind of untouched, Like you can't

924
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: touch these things now, these things that we were doing

925
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: in the show back in the day, some of these things,

926
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: networks will be like no, no, no, no, no no, let's

927
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 2: stay away from that, Let's stay away.

928
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 4: Oh, they'd be so careful.

929
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: I think, as Bill said, for some for better, we've

930
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: evolved and we probably wouldn't make some of those jokes today,

931
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: and in some I wonder if, in this example, with

932
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: the sort of sexual sweaty threesome fantasy, I'm just surprised

933
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: Bill that you got it. I mean, I knew you

934
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: wanted to push the envelope of what the show could be.

935
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm just I just wondered, like, even now in twenty twenty,

936
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: if in a primetime network comedy, if you could do

937
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: a sweaty sex threesome joke.

938
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: No.

939
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: Look, I want to answer two things. Because what Donald

940
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: was saying, you know, is interesting. We talked about it

941
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 4: a lot because I don't know if you remember in

942
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 4: this episode the resolve is that would have been a

943
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: completely different story if doctor Cox or younger male was

944
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 4: calling Sarah sweetheart and the boys sport, but we were

945
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 4: kind of anticipating something. We talked about it. Kelso was

946
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: of a different generation. He was older than all you guys.

947
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: He called you is definitely an old school dude. You

948
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: can never say these things are innocuous. But it was

949
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 4: a time in which at the end John c McGinley

950
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 4: talks to Sarah and goes, if you're going to get

951
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: mad about some quasi term of endearment, you know from

952
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 4: an old out of touch dude, you know your life

953
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: here is going to be a lot more complicated than

954
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: it has to be. And she took the lesson of

955
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: picking my battles, you know. So to Donald's answer, I

956
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: think it's a story you can maybe still do if

957
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 4: you're talking. Although we've now moved twenty years away from that.

958
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: At that time we were going like, hey, here's a

959
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: guy in his mid to late sixties. You know that

960
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 4: is without a doubt, of a generation. I got so

961
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 4: much trouble when he Kelso said to a male nurse,

962
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 4: you know, oh, you're wondering why you don't get respected,

963
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 4: It's because you're doing a woman's job. And our intent

964
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 4: was that Kelso is so out of touch that he

965
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: would say that, you know what I mean. And then

966
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 4: the complaints I got from Nurses Association, got letters and stuff, true,

967
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: were how could you have a character saying that when

968
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 4: it's such a problem that characters that people out there,

969
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: especially from that generation, believe that and say that. I'm like, right,

970
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 4: it's real. He's the bad guy on the show.

971
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: And there's a nursing shortage, so like, don't discourage people.

972
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the bad guy on the show. He has

973
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 4: those thoughts, and in a good way. I think Kelso

974
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: evolved and into Zach's question. It comes all under the

975
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 4: heading and it's not just with those two girls, which

976
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: was a joke and obviously a joke about some you know,

977
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 4: young male fantasy, but this is for both of you,

978
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: and for Sarah and for Judy.

979
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 5: When I said the show has to.

980
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 4: Be real, beyond the goofiness, what we thought about more

981
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: than jokes was about when we would have sex scenes,

982
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: you know, and it was really important to me, not

983
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 4: no ascibious way that they seemed. They didn't seem like

984
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 4: a TV sitcom kiss where everybody goes and some of

985
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 4: the romance scenes between Zach and Sarah and Donald and

986
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 4: Judy and even Johnny C and my wife, which still

987
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 4: turns my stomach a little bit because I had to

988
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: see it.

989
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: You did, you did?

990
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: I had to kiss Christa so early and I was

991
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: still in the terrified of Bill phase, and it was

992
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: an early episode I don't know what, probably five or something,

993
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: and I had to make out with Christa and I

994
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: remember being like, this is the craziest job. I'm about

995
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: to make out with my boss's wife for him.

996
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 4: I still have that on a loop at my house.

997
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: It's awesome hard soon No, Yeah, I mean he's super sexy.

998
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 5: I'm really grateful.

999
00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it is did you did?

1000
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 4: You guys think you were doing fairly racy sex scenes.

1001
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: The time.

1002
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Throughout the whole show. I mean, I can't that big

1003
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: famous one that Sarah I did with the pizza. I

1004
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: remember that being like, I can't believe they're gonna put

1005
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: put this on TV. This is gonna be censored. And

1006
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: all my stuff with Amy Smart, I remember being like,

1007
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna air this.

1008
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: I was really excited about and not in that way,

1009
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: but like when Judy and I would do scenes together,

1010
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: I was it really felt like we were a couple

1011
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 2: when watched when I watched it, you know what I mean,

1012
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: because that's how I don't know that there was just

1013
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 2: something that was really uh uh uh. She and I

1014
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: had great chemistry, I feel like, and because of that,

1015
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: and because of that, I uh you know when I

1016
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: watched her stuff. That's that's what everybody hopes for when

1017
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: they do romantic stuff, that the audience believes it. And

1018
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: if the audience doesn't believe it, well hopefully I believe it,

1019
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1020
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 5: And much I liked you guys.

1021
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 4: I like you guys. There's no offense because I love

1022
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 4: Zach and Sarah. But my favorite couple on the show,

1023
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: Donald and Judy because as a writer's room in a

1024
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 4: glassman the writer's room. One of the things we put

1025
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: on those boards in the first couple of weeks was

1026
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna get Turk and Carla together and never break

1027
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 4: them up and never threaten them. And you know, because

1028
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: we're gonna do will there won't they with the other

1029
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 4: characters and how cool is it to see a couple

1030
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 4: that finds each other and works right? And the only

1031
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: reason we ever even had you guys have a little

1032
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 4: dip here there as a couple was because we never

1033
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 4: expected the show to last nine years, and we had

1034
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 4: to be like, we should probably throw a couple of

1035
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 4: curve balls their way.

1036
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: Man, looking back at it now, it's the it's perfect

1037
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: as a young man doing you know who's on a

1038
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: television show? Like I used to be like, and we're

1039
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: gonna have Holly Berry on the show as my love interest,

1040
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: and we and those things that never ever happened.

1041
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: Were you bummed out? Not not that it was Judy

1042
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: because she's a knockout, but were you my love I know,

1043
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: but were you like where are all my love interests?

1044
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, man, But when you look back at the storytelling,

1045
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: when you look back at at at the relationship that

1046
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: those two have, Like I can't post pictures of my

1047
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 2: wife and I because people are like, that's not Carlo.

1048
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. By the way, post pictures of

1049
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: me hugging anyone because they're like, why aren't you hugging turk?

1050
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: Right?

1051
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: That's that's the other one that comes up. I'll be like,

1052
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: here's a lovely picture of me and my family, and

1053
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: I'd be like, that's not where's JD? Where's that graph? People?

1054
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 4: People hit me all the time too with how and

1055
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 4: we tried to do it. You and Judy react to

1056
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 4: you know, TV is a world in which a wife

1057
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: has her hands on her hips and is frustrated with

1058
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 4: a husband or the husband's like, you know, you're crazy.

1059
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 4: And even when we sent you guys in crazy stories.

1060
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 4: One of my favorite scenes was in a later episode,

1061
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: but when you guys find out Judy's pregnant before she does,

1062
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 4: and you're gonna tell her and uh, everybody knows but her,

1063
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 4: And know the cool thing about your characters is that

1064
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 4: you when when it comes to a comedic peak and

1065
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: we did this a lot, you admit fault and then she,

1066
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 4: instead of punishing you for it, says, who gives a ship?

1067
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: We're having a baby, you know what I mean. And

1068
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 5: that's not often how real couples work. So it was

1069
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 5: a couple to aspire.

1070
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: To, right, I thought, Looking back at it now, I

1071
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 2: love it, like just the even the courtship, even how

1072
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: the show starts and how these guys start offs. You

1073
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: know they're not together, but if you didn't watch the

1074
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: show from the beginning, you would imagine that when the

1075
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: show was introduced, these characters started off to you know

1076
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like you watch family Guy and you

1077
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 2: and you say, okay, so Peter's married to and this

1078
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: is his family and this is and you accept that

1079
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 2: the whole way through. There's no need for an origin

1080
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: story or anything like that. And that's how I feel

1081
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: it is with Carla and Turk. There's no need for

1082
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: an origin story. They're just a TV couple that works,

1083
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1084
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was looking. I was thinking about this because

1085
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: is get taking it back to the episode, like the

1086
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: way Zach was doing cool things and freezing frames. I

1087
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: was trying to remember minutia for you guys, and the

1088
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 4: only the Turk and Carla Manusha I remember was the

1089
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 4: scene in which you two are going to hang out

1090
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: and watch Fletch and then Donald leaves. It was very

1091
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 4: subtle we had. It's one of those discussions you have

1092
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: in the writer's room. It's like Donald's liked to watch

1093
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 4: Fletch and Carla says, do you want to go hang

1094
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 4: out in your room? We don't want just Carla to

1095
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: go do you want to go? Fuck? Because that makes

1096
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 4: her seem like a bimbo.

1097
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 5: And we don't want Turk to just you know, be

1098
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: like I'll drop JD in an instant.

1099
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 4: So like the dumb things you argue about in writer's room,

1100
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 4: you won't even notice unless you watch it again. Did

1101
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 4: you see that Carlo was holding two beers? So like

1102
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: when she goes to you go look at that gainst

1103
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: she goes, you're watching Fletch. You know it's funny when

1104
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: we do all the lines. She goes, hey, you want

1105
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: to go hang out in your room? And she's got

1106
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 4: so it's not the women in the writing staff. I

1107
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: right wanted to make it. Oh, we're not just going

1108
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 4: to go fuck. I mean we will eventually, but she's

1109
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 4: got two beers. So it's like, do you want to

1110
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 4: go out your room, we both have a beer, we'll

1111
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: shoot the ship and then we'll hook up. And that

1112
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 4: fine line I think people is me being a nerd.

1113
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 4: I think people, even if they don't notice that it's

1114
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 4: subtext that they if you do a ton of it,

1115
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 4: they gradually notice that it's more than just physical. Right,

1116
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 4: that scene also, Zach had and you can and I'll hand.

1117
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 5: It back to you, but you had.

1118
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 4: One of our other first arguments was we constantly fought

1119
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 4: in the writer's room. I made huge mistakes as we

1120
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 4: went along about things that should be a fantasy and shouldn't.

1121
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 4: And this was one of the first arguments because when

1122
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 4: Carlos's do you want to go.

1123
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: Hang out in my room? We look to you and

1124
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 5: when we.

1125
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 4: Look back, the remote control is still hovering in the air. Yeah,

1126
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 4: and it drops at It's very bugs bunny. And it

1127
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 4: was not done as a fantasy, you know what I mean?

1128
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: And you already did you always this early have the

1129
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: sort of white flash to a fantasy always, I forget.

1130
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were, we were making the rules still, but

1131
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 4: we hadn't done the sound effects because we were just

1132
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 4: starting to obsess about the difference between fantasies and flashbacks.

1133
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the funniest things I think

1134
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: in throughout nine years of Scrubs is that Bill was

1135
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: always dancing around what is so broad that's that it's

1136
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: a fantasy, or what could exist in this world? And

1137
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: there's a There's two that come to mind as my

1138
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: favorites that he put in the real world, but we're

1139
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: probably supposed to be fantasies. One one is when when

1140
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: Donald packs me into the bag, it was literally it

1141
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: was literally the size of a fucking bowling bag. It

1142
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: was a backpack, and I was like, and if you

1143
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: remember my like arm and leg were sticking up like

1144
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: my body would never fake.

1145
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 4: I had a fake foot by your head and then

1146
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 4: so when he scratched your nose, your foot went h.

1147
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: That was real and in the real world. And the

1148
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: other one is that the janitor builds a full size

1149
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: house out of sand in the parking lot, and that

1150
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: was in the real world.

1151
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: That all right.

1152
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 4: The sand castle is not my fault because the sand castle,

1153
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: the gag, you know, it was written like it was

1154
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 4: real in the script, and we thought it would be

1155
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: a sand castle like the size of like you ever

1156
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 4: see a kid's playhouse like outside, something you could actually build,

1157
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 4: right and are when I showed up, I drove, I

1158
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 4: tried to drive to my parking spot that morning, and

1159
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 4: the parking lot was closed. I better gone uh oh

1160
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: the corner and there was like a final tap, there

1161
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 4: was a sand castle as big as my home. I'm like, oh, no,

1162
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 4: well that's and we can't say it's a fantasy, because

1163
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 4: I think he lived there. For most of the episode.

1164
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 5: He kept yelling at people.

1165
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: Those are the two that always stuck out of my

1166
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: mind as one, and I'm sure as we go through

1167
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: the series we'll find other ones. But I remember thinking like,

1168
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, that one in the bag was in

1169
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: the sand castle.

1170
00:53:59,200 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're a mistake.

1171
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: So listen to twenty five. We were talking about how

1172
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: you phased out In this episode you went nuts with

1173
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: sound effects and there's there's literally a horn noise when Johnny.

1174
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 4: For fucking.

1175
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 5: When you and Jad eventually.

1176
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: Do Yeah, I mean this episode is this This might

1177
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: have been your peak sound effects moment as you're figuring out.

1178
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's another one coming. I know there's another

1179
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: one coming.

1180
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: But this one has this one has the ear flick

1181
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: noise and also pretty much like anytime Johnny c moved.

1182
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 4: Just you guys did the trivia question of Jeff's you

1183
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 4: know the Powers that Be And you know it's hard

1184
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: to screen rough cuts of single camera shows because they

1185
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 4: wouldn't hear the laughs of all their friends and Will

1186
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: and Grace.

1187
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 5: Is this funny? And I thought it was funny. I

1188
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 5: hated those sound effects so much.

1189
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 4: Did you guys do the trivia question of the one

1190
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 4: sound effect that stayed all nine years?

1191
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 2: It's got to be the wish to go away into fantasy?

1192
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, no wish to fantasies? Though, is not a sign

1193
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 4: effect with an actor. There's an actor.

1194
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: Oh oh, Todd high five?

1195
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 4: Whoops, there you go, Todd's high five being amplified times

1196
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 4: nine thousand.

1197
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 5: I think it's I think that's the.

1198
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: Sound of like a rubber matt being slapped on the ground,

1199
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: you know, And we kept that one forever.

1200
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: That's funny. They really hurt, by the way. I mean, John,

1201
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm not being a whimp. They genuinely hurt.

1202
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: No one's calling you a wimp. But come on, he.

1203
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: Still passes out five's, you know on the line to people.

1204
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: I know you can. You can go on Cameo. By

1205
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: the way, We'll give Rob a shout out. You can

1206
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: go on Cameo and Rob Maschio will send you a

1207
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: message and high five you virtually, and go hire Rob

1208
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: to give your friends a virtual high five on came

1209
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: I kind of want to get one for Donald.

1210
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: I'll accept and receive it, thank you very much.

1211
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: Three twenty six, The janitor says one of my favorite

1212
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: lines of the first season. You see him unhappy.

1213
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: I like that.

1214
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 5: I had forgotten that he locked you outside.

1215
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: And was talking about Neil for his second bill because

1216
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: we told we shared with the with the listeners the

1217
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: story about how you know he wasn't intended to be

1218
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: in your mind as big a role as he was,

1219
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: or and then and of course everyone always discusses that

1220
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: he may have been a figment of my imagination if

1221
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: if the show only went one season, But just talk

1222
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: about Neil and how you kept expanding his part because

1223
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: he was just so friggin funny.

1224
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 2: I have a question, did he have to audition? Also,

1225
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: that's the other question. He did not happen.

1226
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 4: Here's what here's here's what happened is Neil does the

1227
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: stand up bit when he's interviewed, because he's a really

1228
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 4: good actor. I don't know if you guys have ever

1229
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 4: seen him any of his dramatic stuff. In the middle,

1230
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 4: he was so and he's so good. Yeah, and he

1231
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: came in and read for John mcf doctor Cox and

1232
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 4: he was really good. But literally there, because we were

1233
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 4: old buddies, I'm like, you're going to be the janitor

1234
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 4: and uh. And so when he talks about it, he's like,

1235
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 4: so I really prepared and I came in and then

1236
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 4: Bill's not gonna be the janet. And when Neil does

1237
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: the bit, Neil's like, well, I still carry around like

1238
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 4: a clipboard and a step mop, carry around a mop.

1239
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 5: Well I get to wear one of those cool lab jumpsuit.

1240
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 5: Gray jumpsuit.

1241
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: Oh, he would get so mad. Neil would that it

1242
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: wasn't a jumpsuit. He goes, it's a gray shirt and pants.

1243
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: It's not a jumpsuit.

1244
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I always thought that his character was like

1245
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 2: the worst janitor in the world, But when you watch

1246
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: the show, he's always working and he's always doing his job.

1247
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: He was never lazy, you know what I mean.

1248
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 5: He was drunk most of the time.

1249
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 4: That was one of my favorite lines ever's have you

1250
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 4: been drinking?

1251
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: I'm not drunk? Na, So look JD, the real JD told.

1252
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: Me often when he was talking about it, there would

1253
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 4: always be somebody, as there is any group dynamic when

1254
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 4: he was a resident, would just plague him. You know,

1255
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 4: it wasn't always a janitor whatever. So I wanted to

1256
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 4: come up with that character for you, and I thought

1257
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 4: it would be a line here or there. But Neil

1258
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 4: was so funny man and such a gift just to

1259
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 4: have around. And he's you know me, whenever I take

1260
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 4: someone's funny in their buddy, I put him or hurry

1261
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 4: in as much as I possibly can, so he became

1262
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 4: more and more of a character in ways I never thought.

1263
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 4: And part of the joy for me of going back

1264
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 4: and look at these episodes not only seeing moments like

1265
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: that Zach that I know Neil made up. You know,

1266
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 4: like even in this episode, you're screaming and the line

1267
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 4: in the script is la la la, I can't hear you.

1268
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: But then I kept it in because like, that's one

1269
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: of the first times that I looked into editing.

1270
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 5: And then there was Neil going, what you love who?

1271
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? They just playing around with you,

1272
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 5: you know what I mean?

1273
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: I remember the scenes with Neil would always be so

1274
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: fun because you know, we'd all riffer around, but Neil

1275
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: was the best at it, and and you just never

1276
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: knew what he was going to say. And I just

1277
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: remember I always knew I was gonna laugh extra hard

1278
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: because he would just come up with the craziest shit ever.

1279
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 4: I was randomly down the wormhole of getting ready to

1280
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 4: talk to you. To you guy, by the way, the

1281
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 4: end of my other sentence was one of the gifts

1282
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 4: for me as I to show go on and evolved,

1283
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 4: some stuff got worse as a writer, you know, like

1284
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 4: when you say I torture myself when I got too

1285
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 4: broad and stuff like that. But then some stuff got better,

1286
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 4: characters got richer, and last night, randomly, I was watching

1287
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 4: Neil interact with Donald, you know, I mean, I don't

1288
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 4: know if you remember when he had a sock puppet.

1289
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 4: He's like, he pretended to hit you with the days

1290
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: and your dynamic with him was so funny as well.

1291
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: You know, it was cool to see him start to

1292
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: interact with other characters. But the wormhole I ended up

1293
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 4: putting last night and everybody should go look for it.

1294
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: There's a scene with Sam Lloyd who plays Ted, and

1295
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 4: Zach and Neil and you guys are trying to help

1296
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 4: Neil with a girlfriend. You know, he's trying to the

1297
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 4: girl that played the ukulele Kate mccoucheoch. You're trying to

1298
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 4: get him to go for it with her. And I

1299
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 4: told Neil, I'm like, you got to make up something

1300
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 4: of what you did with your girlfriend. And Neil, Zach,

1301
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 4: we used your real reactions. He made up a monologue

1302
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Speaker 4: about killing a dust for her. It's not in the script,

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Speaker 4: and I watched it last night. He goes, he starts

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Speaker 4: and he goes, he goes, look, you should give her

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Speaker 4: a present, like something personal, something you made. Like when

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01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 4: I first started dating lady, I gave her a duck

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01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 4: that I killed already already a weird premise, right, And

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Speaker 4: then he said, I know what you're asking. Wouldn't it

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Speaker 4: have been more personal to kill her in front of her?

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Speaker 4: And yes, it would have, which is also made up.

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Speaker 4: And then he goes, but the duck and I were

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Speaker 4: driving over and and he goes, he goes, maybe I

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Speaker 4: was having a bad day, maybe he was.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But next thing you know, we're pulled over on the

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Speaker 4: side of the road, shirts off, which meant.

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Speaker 5: The duck was wearing your shirt.

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Speaker 4: He goes, next thing you know, we're pulled over on

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Speaker 4: the side of the road, shirts off, you know, seeing

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Speaker 4: what's what? So Neil described a scene that he beat

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Speaker 4: a duck to down on the side of the freeway. Yes,

1322
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, that's why that guy's in the show

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 4: so much.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: I said, hey, come up with something that you did

1326
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 4: for your girlfriend, And he's like, what he's probably looking

1327
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 4: for is that I beat a duck to death for

1328
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Speaker 4: her and then brought it over so she could cook it.

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Speaker 1: He would also just come up with the craziest ship

1330
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: and to the point where in later episodes, in later

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Speaker 1: seasons Bill sometimes it would just say in the script,

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Speaker 1: it just and then Neil makes up something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Neil, please say something funny. It's late one script.

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Speaker 1: I guess it was late night in the writer's room, Bill,

1335
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, we're not gonna do that. Just put

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: Neil says something funny.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I wrote that in the script. At the

1338
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 4: first time, I'm like, Neil, it's two in the morning,

1339
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 4: just say something funny. And the next day he did.

1340
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Speaker 4: You know, I liked it the most when I got

1341
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 4: to see him with you guys or with Sarah actually

1342
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 4: having a real moment, you know, because it was so

1343
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: cool that he could actually deliver. You know.

1344
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: That's the interesting thing as we you know, as a

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01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: show goes on, you start to see people's first one

1346
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: on one scenes together. And so in this episode, John

1347
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: c McGinley and Sarah have their first real one on

1348
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: one scene where she's asking him for advice. And at

1349
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: this point, we as an audios, as an audience member,

1350
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: we think that JD and John c McGinley are the

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01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 2: only ones that you know, that's the only dad son relationship,

1352
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 2: but he was actually a dad to all of us

1353
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: in this show as far as you know what I mean.

1354
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 2: And this was the first episode where we see Sarah

1355
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: and him, uh and and actually him mess with Sarah

1356
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: in a way that could have gotten her fired, you

1357
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I just thought that's I thought

1358
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 2: that was very interesting because eventually you have to introduce everybody,

1359
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 2: even though it took you know, a whole season for

1360
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: everybody to meet the janitor, for the janitor to do

1361
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: other scenes with, for Neil to do other scenes with

1362
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: everyone other than Zach. It was just it's just interesting

1363
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: because when the show starts off, it seems like the

1364
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: bubble is so small, you know what I mean. And

1365
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: it starts with j D's relationship with everybody, but then

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 2: as it goes on, the bubble just kept getting bigger

1367
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: and bigger and bigger. It's a great metaphor, and by

1368
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: the end of it, we're all in the same universe together.

1369
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: And this is also the first episode where the hospital

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: gets really wacky all of a sudden, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like we weren't whacky before that. Before this,

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Speaker 2: we were you know, even though it's episode three, we started.

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01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: This is where we're starting to do things that later

1374
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: on I think, you know, I love it when you

1375
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: jump from episode one or two and you jump all

1376
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: the way to episode you know, season three, episode five,

1377
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: because the growth of the show is so different, you

1378
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1379
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 4: I think about it in terms of characters, Like, what's

1380
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 4: one of the things that's hard for me to watch

1381
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 4: about the early episodes is Ken Jenkins is such a

1382
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 4: good actor, and he was the bad guy on this show,

1383
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 4: and I had not yet realized how deliciously silly and

1384
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: funny that guy could be. You know, that guy is

1385
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 4: a comedy assassin. But he was so good at being

1386
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 4: a guy that you just hated, you know what I mean,

1387
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 4: And and we leaned into that, and he didn't have

1388
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 4: any other levels. So it's so cool when he expands,

1389
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, to see that you know

1390
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 4: that he's silly and funny, that Johnny c can be

1391
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 4: kind here or there, that Donald and the janitor can

1392
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 4: go back and forth at each other but be on

1393
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 4: different playing fields because Donald's not threatened. I mean, it's

1394
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 4: it's weird to see you guys all at the beginning

1395
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 4: because I did like the rich characters that you all

1396
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 4: became very much.

1397
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: You know, I love it.

1398
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: Bill. We take a caller here on our show, and

1399
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: it looks like, by the.

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01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 4: Way, I just thought it was a super villain because

1401
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 4: it is us a as a gentleman. That is.

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01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: For you guys listening at home. His picture came up

1403
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: on zoom and he's petting a cat, like like the

1404
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:51,959
Speaker 1: evil genius.

1405
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 4: You all are enjoying talking about your show. Well, I

1406
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 4: have bad news.

1407
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: That's all right, Well, go ahead and introduce him.

1408
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: Yes, Hi, Mike, thanks so much for joining us.

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01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 4: Hi everyone, how are you? Can you hear me?

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01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: Yes?

1411
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 2: We can you just fine, Martin.

1412
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 6: It's my first ever zoom meeting. I've never done this.

1413
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 6: I'm glad it's working.

1414
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're here.

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 1: Well, Mark, you picked a good episode, uh to beyond

1416
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: because you have the creator of the whole show, Bill Lawrence.

1417
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: So if you have a question for any of us,

1418
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1419
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 4: Oh well, hello Bill Lawrence, and hello all of you.

1420
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 5: That's awesome. I'm so glad.

1421
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: To be Where do you live, by the way, I

1422
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: live in Chicago.

1423
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 6: I'm on the northwest side Chicago, up in Avondale, Old

1424
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 6: Irving Park area.

1425
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: Shotaw, stand up, we.

1426
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 4: Were just talking about Neil Flynn.

1427
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 5: That's where that's the area of the world that he

1428
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 5: is from.

1429
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: My friend really Oh, but not your specific area. But

1430
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: he's from Chicago. No, but he was like downstairs right now,

1431
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: right now?

1432
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, I mean he could be all right,

1433
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 4: go ahead, Mark, all right.

1434
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 6: Even from the earliest episodes, Scrubs wasn't afraid to raise

1435
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 6: social issues and took a clear stance that I thought

1436
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 6: prioritized like well being of people over the economics and

1437
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 6: insurance bureaucracy. I felt like this helped a lot of

1438
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 6: young people, myself included, start thinking about the human side

1439
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 6: of healthcare and healthcare like as a human right for

1440
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 6: the first time, and sort of some of those more

1441
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 6: serious issues. So I was just wondering if you guys

1442
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 6: recalled any specific moments from production episodes or moments on

1443
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 6: set that might have changed your influence the way you

1444
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 6: guys have you the sort of work done by your characters,

1445
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 6: or just sort of the healthcare system as a whole.

1446
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 4: Wow, that's Donald and Zach answer this for the show.

1447
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 4: I will tell you I've been thinking about this a

1448
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 4: lot lately. Mark because the real JD and my pal

1449
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 4: we were both kind of screw ups with a lot

1450
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 4: with very little direction as young guys. And I remember

1451
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 4: asking him what the hell he was doing going back

1452
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 4: to pre med, and he talked about wanting to be

1453
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 4: of service, you know, and his viewpoint right now.

1454
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 5: You know, not to make this two poignant.

1455
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 4: I FaceTime with him every night when he gets off

1456
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 4: work because he's run of the COVID command centers on

1457
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 4: the whole ICU for this hospitals we spoke about, and

1458
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 4: it helps him decompress and not take that stuff into

1459
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 4: his family. And he as a caregiver cares so much

1460
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 4: more about the humanistic side than any of this other bullshit.

1461
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 4: And he instilled that upon me, and he said we

1462
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 4: could steal all of his stories, but we could never

1463
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 4: have a callousness. He said, he was only interested in

1464
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 4: me stealing his stories in his life and his name

1465
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 4: if The undercurrent of the show was that it was

1466
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 4: about a bunch of people flaws and all that cared

1467
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 4: most about helping and taking care of other people. So

1468
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: that was part of the series. And I'll weave the

1469
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 4: rest to Donald and Zach. That's cool that you asked

1470
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 4: that because I think about him every day. He's out

1471
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 4: there doing stuff much.

1472
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 1: More important, of course, And and and it's the perfect

1473
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: question for this era, Mark because these these these medical

1474
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: professionals and everyone who's working in the industry, whether you're

1475
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: a doctor, a nurse, or a janitor, a medic, everyone

1476
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: who in this environment is as the world is finally

1477
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:08,479
Speaker 1: seeing in the spotlight how heroic these people are. And

1478
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: I think I always felt when we were making the

1479
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: show that Bill was really shining a light on how

1480
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: dedicated these folks were and how they had to deal

1481
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: with life and death every single day. One thing that

1482
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: really stood out for me when you asked your question

1483
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: was the I remember learning that the nurses really run

1484
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: the show. I hadn't spent much time in a hospital

1485
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: when we started making Scrubs, and I learned that the

1486
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: doctors can't do it without the nurses, and the nurses

1487
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: are the ones who are on the front lines, and

1488
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: the doctors have to be rotating, and they can't do

1489
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: anything without the help of amazing nurses. It wasn't until

1490
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: I spent more time in hospitals with both my father

1491
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: and my sister getting sick, that I really this was

1492
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: after Scrubs, but I remember being like, wow, this is

1493
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: everything we were doing is so real. I'm witnessing it

1494
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: on the front lines that we see that doctor like

1495
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: every now and then, But man, these nurses and when

1496
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: we have a good one, it is such a difference,

1497
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: and me puts a smile on my sick father's face,

1498
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: and when we have one that's a little bit aloof

1499
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: it just drives you crazy. And I just really it

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: really came home to me everything we have been doing

1501
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: on the show, how crucial and how important the people

1502
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: on the front lines, particularly in this anecdote I'm telling

1503
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: the nursing staff of hospitals were to me.

1504
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: The one thing that really sticks out for me is

1505
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: to piggyback on what Bill said, is you know, for

1506
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: some hospitals, if you don't have insurance, you can't get treated.

1507
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: And the one thing that Scrubs did which I thought

1508
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 2: was amazing was we had a bunch of the doctors

1509
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: on the show were a bunch of rule breakers, benders,

1510
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 2: especially when it came to something like that, you know

1511
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: what I mean. That was always special for me because

1512
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people don't have great insurance,

1513
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: especially right now a lot of people.

1514
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: Don't have it and or any insurance at all.

1515
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 2: And Test Church at all, thank you, Zach. And Test

1516
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: costs a lot of money, you know what I mean.

1517
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: And if there are rule breakers and rule benders out

1518
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: there that can save lives in that way, I'm all

1519
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: for that, you know what I mean. And I love

1520
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 2: that we had people on the show, like doctor Cox.

1521
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 2: When Kelso's trying to get this person out of the hospital,

1522
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 2: Cox comes up with so many different ways to get

1523
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,759
Speaker 2: this guy a bed, and I thought that was just amazing.

1524
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 4: Hey, Mark, we obsessed so much about your question. All

1525
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 4: in terms of the character doctor Kelso. There's an episode

1526
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 4: you guys might remember.

1527
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 5: I remember the song.

1528
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 4: And the scenes that because the real JD he runs

1529
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 4: a hospital now and he's like and you're forced with

1530
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 4: having to make these decisions for the greater good. And

1531
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 4: there's an episode in which doctor Kelso you know, has

1532
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 4: to punt a guy you know, from treatment that they've

1533
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 4: done avasurance to have money in an effort to still

1534
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 4: build other stuff and to have money to save other people.

1535
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 5: And we made this joke about.

1536
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 4: How every time doctor Kelson's foot hits the bottom of

1537
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 4: the stairs when he leaves the hospital, he starts whistling

1538
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 4: as if the day doesn't even affect him.

1539
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 5: And at the end of that episode, even he because he.

1540
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 4: Knew he was directly responsible for his guy not getting care,

1541
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 4: his foot hits and he has a moment you can

1542
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 4: see it's really hard for him to start whistling again.

1543
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 4: As a citizen Cope song called Sideways playing, and so

1544
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 4: we just wanted to make sure that the people weren't

1545
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 4: the villains and that the system was So yeah, I'm

1546
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 4: really grateful that you noticed that and asked about it.

1547
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1548
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 6: Thank you guys for giving such detailed, great responses.

1549
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 4: Sure, I think it just speaks to how much you.

1550
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: Guys feel for the show and put into the show.

1551
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 6: It really comes across, and I think that's why I've

1552
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 6: been such a big fan for so long.

1553
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: So thank you, Thank you, Mark, Thanks so much for

1554
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: asking your question.

1555
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 2: Do you want to ask another question? Oh? Sure, all right,

1556
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: you get one more? All right?

1557
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 6: So, this episode, episode three, and the show as a whole,

1558
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 6: I think has a lot of moments that exemplify really healthy,

1559
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 6: often sensitive male relationships.

1560
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 4: Your guys's Turk and JD and JD and doctor.

1561
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 6: Cox and other ones, and I was just wondering if

1562
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 6: you guys could maybe talk a little bit about what

1563
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 6: was important to you guys to have positive sort of

1564
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 6: emotional moments between rose.

1565
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 4: And how that might have affected your real life.

1566
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. I'm glad you asked

1567
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: it with Bill on the show, because for me, I

1568
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: really felt in a positive way. Granted we joked about

1569
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: it a lot, but I thought in a positive way

1570
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: we were showing, you know, when we were growing up.

1571
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean when Donald, Bill's a smidge and older than us,

1572
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: but when Donald and I were growing up, you know,

1573
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: anything you did that was a motive towards the guy

1574
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 1: you were called gay and it was derogatory and it

1575
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: was negative, and it was just an adjective in high

1576
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: school and junior high, in middle school and everything was

1577
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 1: And I always as someone who was it's no surprise

1578
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm similar in a lot of ways to JD. I

1579
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: always felt like, but this is who I am. I

1580
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: am a guy who is a hugger and who's emotional

1581
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: and where's his hardness sleeve and loves musicals who happens

1582
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: to be a heterosexual. And I felt like Bill wrote

1583
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: a character a friendship that was like, well, we're gonna

1584
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: show that that's okay to men in a way, because

1585
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: I've noticed it in my life, you know, the fact

1586
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: that Donald and I would hug and stuff. You know,

1587
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: I did a Broadway show and Scrubs fans would come

1588
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: to the to the stage door and they'd be like, JD,

1589
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: can I have a hug? And I would always kind

1590
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 1: of laugh. It was almost like the show was giving

1591
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: a certain community of men telling them that it was

1592
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: okay to You're not gonna no matter what your sexuality is,

1593
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: who cares, It's not gonna be threatened by being like JD,

1594
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: just being who you truly are. And I always thought

1595
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: that that was a really positive thing that Bill put

1596
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: out there.

1597
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I love the fact that the

1598
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: two of them were so comfortable around each other that

1599
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: they could be like brothers and lie in the same

1600
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: bed in their underwear and it not be a thing

1601
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: for them, you know what I mean. I like that,

1602
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: And I think that storyline definitely transferred into my real

1603
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 2: life with Zach, you know what I mean, Like, I

1604
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: feel like my comfortability about being around other men and

1605
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: not being afraid to be who I am and accept

1606
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 2: who they are is all because of Scrubs, you know

1607
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 2: what I mean. I've played best friends in other projects,

1608
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: and you know, you play the tough guy, et cetera,

1609
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: et cetera. But with these guys, none of that stuff mattered.

1610
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: What mattered was that they loved each other at the

1611
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: end of the day. And I cherished the fact that

1612
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: I can have friendships with men and I can say

1613
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: to them I love you and it not be looked

1614
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: at as a bad thing.

1615
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 4: It's a weird topic for me because you know, JD

1616
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 4: was based on real JD. Donald's based on doctor. But

1617
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 4: the truth is with these two characters. Anyways, I always

1618
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 4: joked around that I was kind of wrestling with both

1619
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 4: sides of myself because.

1620
01:14:56,040 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 5: I am I played sports and was the high.

1621
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 4: School jockey type guy that I was afraid of this stuff.

1622
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 5: And on the other side, I do Zach and I

1623
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 5: share a love of Broadway.

1624
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 1: Musicals, Robin French, Gobil.

1625
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 4: Ndtude.

1626
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: All right, whatever, and uh you take the watch. That's

1627
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: a digression. Well in later episodes, Okay, Uh.

1628
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 4: True, I was always wrestling as a young man with

1629
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 4: you know which which lane I fit in, and wishing

1630
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 4: that it would be easier just to not have to

1631
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 4: pick a lane. And then these guys, look, the truth is,

1632
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 4: whenever you create a relationship as a writer, it's yours

1633
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 4: for a second. And then the actors, if they're great,

1634
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 4: they wrestle ownership from you. And what starts out is

1635
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 4: eighty twenty years. You know, quickly in this show became

1636
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty mine and theirs, and then became all

1637
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 4: theirs in a way that I would write moments that

1638
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 4: weren't supposed to be romance moments, you know, like whether

1639
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 4: it was them wanting to hug each other, you know,

1640
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 4: at the end, and then when I look in the dailies,

1641
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 4: they're rubbing their faces and heads against.

1642
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: Me, Like that's my favorite gift. Is my favorite gift,

1643
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: and use it all the time.

1644
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1645
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: People are always like you using gifts of yourself. I'm like, yeah,

1646
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: that one I do.

1647
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 2: Because it really looks like we're trying to smell each other, dude,

1648
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: really looks like.

1649
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 4: By the way I think one of you had lived

1650
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 4: in that you smell like an athlete and in a

1651
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 4: way that you're just so happy. So my point is

1652
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 4: I was doing it as an intellectual exercise, and these

1653
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 4: guys made it something more and it's all about their

1654
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 4: You get lucky on a TV show when what you're

1655
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 4: watching feels even more real because the undercurrent of it

1656
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 4: their intense friendship Israel.

1657
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: You know. I also like that when we meet people nowadays,

1658
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 2: they're so eager to talk about their best friend and

1659
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 2: how much they love their best friend, you know what

1660
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: I mean, and that that that makes me feel great.

1661
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: You know, he's the brown bear to my vanilla bear,

1662
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: or you know what I mean.

1663
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: I honestly think it gave us a certain community of

1664
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 1: men who watched the show and we're open to it,

1665
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: a sort of permission to to to be more true

1666
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: to who they were.

1667
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:19,560
Speaker 4: A mark if you want to, if you want to

1668
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 4: indulge my version of googling my own name is all

1669
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 4: occasionally go looking at all these wedding videos where the

1670
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,759
Speaker 4: best man sings guy love to the groom.

1671
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 5: They're fantastic. There's like a thousand of them out there,

1672
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 5: and it always starts with a fake setup.

1673
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 4: He's like, you know, I was trying to think of

1674
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 4: what to toast and what to blah blah, and I

1675
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 4: thought it's probably better to do win song.

1676
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 5: There the facts and then the groom.

1677
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 4: The groom always stands up with a microphone too, because

1678
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 4: they've rehearsed it twenty times. And I'm at home by myself,

1679
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 4: just going.

1680
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 2: Like this, lauding. I love it.

1681
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: All right, Mark, thank you for two awesome questions.

1682
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me that great?

1683
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 4: All right, stay says meeting your Mark. Hey, stay safe, buddy,

1684
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 4: he can be healthy, Bill.

1685
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,480
Speaker 1: Why does nurse Roberts have so many bowling shoes for sale?

1686
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 4: Look, one of the things that we embraced on Scrubs

1687
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 4: early on was surreal jokes just for us, okay, And

1688
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 4: we were trying to think, I remember this, and we

1689
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 4: wanted this to be a runner, and we dropped it.

1690
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 4: We shouldn't have dropped it, but you know, you get

1691
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 4: too busy. When you were fantasizing about talking to Turk,

1692
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 4: we started going down patho going What he doesn't realize

1693
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 4: is he's in a topic with Nurse Roberts and she's

1694
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 4: got a side hustle. And we were like, what's her

1695
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 4: side hustle? It's selling her dead husband's bowling shoes. But

1696
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 4: he didn't even bowl. She's just got like twenty pairs

1697
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 4: of bowling shoes. She tries to unload to people.

1698
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: I thought that was I thought that was so funny,

1699
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: and I forgot that joke, and then that when Donald

1700
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: showed up wearing them, I just laughed out loud. I

1701
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: thought that was so funny, and roberts and then I thought,

1702
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 1: I gotta ask Bill just the logic behind it? What

1703
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: is Nurse rob Why is Nurse Robert's side hustle selling

1704
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: her husband's bull shoes?

1705
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 4: She's just always looking to get a step ahead, man.

1706
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 4: The I just love that joke because the same way

1707
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 4: I told you that Neil's joke meant that he and

1708
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 4: the duck were both wearing shirts, even though that wasn't

1709
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 4: said aloud, that joke means that while you were fantasizing.

1710
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 5: About turk apropos of nothing, Nurse.

1711
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 4: Robert said, Hey, is there any chance you ever to

1712
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 4: be interested in buying some used bowling shoes? Is that

1713
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 4: something that you would want? Because then you snap out

1714
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 4: of it, You're like, I do.

1715
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 5: I would really want that.

1716
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: Ye, when I come out of the when I come

1717
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: out of the phantasy, she says something like, so the

1718
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: check's in your locker or something.

1719
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: No, because I got them in my locker.

1720
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you want to write me check.

1721
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: You want to write me a check because I got

1722
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 2: them in my locker.

1723
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: So I picture her locker is just stacked bullings is

1724
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: every couple of days she saw someone a pair of

1725
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: bowling shoes.

1726
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 4: It's just a little side hustle.

1727
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: Bill touched on this at nineteen thirty seven. There's the

1728
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: very first thing we did a lot with stunts on

1729
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: scrubs called the Cowboy Switch. And just if you go

1730
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: back and watch it, what happens is the camera never cuts,

1731
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: but I'm running down the hall, and then the camera

1732
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: without cutting, goes behind a cart, which switches to the stuntman,

1733
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: who then goes and does a really hard fall on

1734
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: the ground. The camera can't find me and comes back

1735
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: and like a magic trick, I've switched back to where

1736
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 1: I was. This is a really clever thing that we

1737
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: used to do a bunch of times on the show.

1738
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: In order to do a really harder fall that needed

1739
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: to be a stuntman. And I wonder, Bill, is that

1740
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 1: something Adam brought, or something a stuntman brought or you

1741
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: knew about? How how did those start coming into the show.

1742
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 4: Adam pitched very hard the thing we already spoke about

1743
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,719
Speaker 4: is on this show the camera is a character because

1744
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 4: it's almost an extension of JD's head. You know, he's

1745
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 4: narrating for this camera that doesn't exist. So that was Adam.

1746
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 4: It's why he directed it. I remember him even saying

1747
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 4: just so you know, I think he shot one without it,

1748
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 4: but he's like, just so you know, when we do

1749
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 4: the cowboy switch to buy time, the cameras is going

1750
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 4: to look around for jad and I remember going, like

1751
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 4: what it's like, it's gonna go like that, it's gonna

1752
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 4: try and find it's gonna try and find its owner.

1753
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 4: It's like a dog when you disappear, you know what

1754
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 4: I mean. And so that was Adam and that dude.

1755
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 4: Noon was all about the cowboy switches because he and

1756
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 4: Ernie the two stunt men always but it's our favorite

1757
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 4: Joke's at Ernie a great stuntman, but it's like, always

1758
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 4: be wary of a stuntman who no longer has any

1759
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 4: of his own teeth or hair. He had a big set.

1760
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 4: He had a big set of a great white teeth

1761
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 4: and like, what happened to your real teeth? So yeah,

1762
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 4: the end is they said the stunts on this show

1763
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 4: you want this stuff to all look real and not silly.

1764
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 4: Let's have our thespians and you guys both did some

1765
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 4: do them as much as we can, whether it's driving

1766
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 4: a scooter into the water or sliding under the cart

1767
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 4: or cowboy switches, and it helped sell the reality of

1768
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 4: that clumsiness.

1769
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 5: So I thought it was awesome.

1770
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: And when we get to the Wizard of Oz episode,

1771
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: there's the most epic cowboy switch that we'll talk about

1772
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: where the scooter goes in to the puddle, but stay

1773
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: tuned for that. The friend Zone bill that is one

1774
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: of the funniest articulations of the friend Zone. I noticed

1775
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: this time that everything everybody's dressed in beige.

1776
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: That's my first favorite. That's my first favorite and one

1777
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 2: of my all time favorite fantasies ever. And it just

1778
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: was It's such a smart, smart way to describe the.

1779
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 4: First I would have done that fantasy in a world

1780
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 4: of streaming where you don't have time limits for ten minutes,

1781
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 4: I would have wanted to hear where everybody crossed paths

1782
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 4: with her. I loved my favorite was it even Becky

1783
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 4: being in there. My favorite was the guy we worked

1784
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 4: together at Penguins because in my head, I'm like that guy.

1785
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 4: That guy and Elliott barely had shifts together. They just

1786
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 4: occasionally overlapped penguins yogurt, and he was just like your shift.

1787
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: I just love the cleverness of in Elliott's mind. None

1788
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: of those people stood out so that everybody's dressed in

1789
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: a shade of beige.

1790
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all blending in. They're all just people that

1791
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 4: drifted through her life. You know.

1792
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: The last thing, I don't know if Donald, do you

1793
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: have anything else? But the last thing from the show

1794
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: that I wrote down that I thought was really funny. I

1795
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: don't know if we ever did it again, is that

1796
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: you're using Rowdy's mouth to open up the pie.

1797
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: That was That was the last thing I had to

1798
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you.

1799
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 4: I thought Rowdy. I thought Rowdy should have always it

1800
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 4: should have always been a bottle opener. But I think

1801
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 4: that's the first time we introduced your dead dog without

1802
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 4: I don't think we had any lines referencing it.

1803
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 5: Did we?

1804
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 4: No?

1805
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: No?

1806
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: No?

1807
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh?

1808
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 4: You mean was he an episode two?

1809
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? He is an episode two.

1810
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 2: That's when we introduced him. That's when we.

1811
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 4: Introduce Yeah, yeah, okay, I loved you know, Rowdy is

1812
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 4: that's I think something more than shockingly, more than anything

1813
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 4: that people would go now is a is there a

1814
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 4: dead dog that's a character in this show, a real

1815
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 4: stuff dead dog.

1816
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 5: That would be a huge issue.

1817
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: Bill. I don't know if the urban legend is true,

1818
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: and I really don't want you to correct it if

1819
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: it's not. But Donald and I were discussing in an

1820
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 1: earlier episode of the podcast that when the one the

1821
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: prop men was let go, he hid Rowdy in the

1822
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 1: ceiling tiles of the prop room. That's true, that's true.

1823
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: That is true. I told you, I told you it's true.

1824
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had to let someone go for different reasons,

1825
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 4: and he knew that that was a prop that he

1826
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 4: had that was a character on the show, so he

1827
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 4: tried to get us back by hiding it in the

1828
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 4: above the tiles. He locked himself in there and hid

1829
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 4: that poor dead dog above the tiles. And by the way,

1830
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 4: we found it right away. So when we got an

1831
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 4: extra one, we were only getting an extra one in

1832
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 4: case something ever happened to the real one. But part

1833
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 4: of the lore became that we got an extra dead

1834
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 4: dog to you know, replace the one that was lost.

1835
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 4: But it's not it's just to generate. It's just in

1836
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 4: a weird way. That's what generated that story of what

1837
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 4: would we do?

1838
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: And then Bill that gave birth to a beautiful, very

1839
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: moving storyline of introducing Stephen the other I was already

1840
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: laughing with on a the end.

1841
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:59,839
Speaker 2: Did you get Rowdy or did you get Stephen?

1842
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: I got nothing neither. They're all I told you this story.

1843
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 2: I mean, when we break so we don't live together anymore.

1844
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 2: At one point, who gets who gets who?

1845
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 4: Oh? I forgot who got rowdy and who got Steven?

1846
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember. But Bill, I was laughing with Donald

1847
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: about how someone can't tell the difference. And I feel

1848
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: where their old taxidermy balls are, and I go, no,

1849
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: that's Steven.

1850
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 5: You knew one of them was fixed, so Rowdy hit that.

1851
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 4: I think that's Donald's line to open.

1852
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't know if today you could

1853
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: do taxidermy dead dogs humping someone's leg.

1854
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

1855
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 2: It's a whole.

1856
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 4: Everybody not to make this an end line. But this

1857
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 4: was such a fun exercise for me because everybody always

1858
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 4: asks me what my favorite episode of Scrubs is, and

1859
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 4: I don't know how you guys feel. I always say

1860
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 4: the pilot because remember reminds me of first meeting you all,

1861
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 4: and of the experience and the people so much more

1862
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,559
Speaker 4: than any specific episodes. When I watch these, like the

1863
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 4: first one, two or three episodes, that's what I remember

1864
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 4: is seeing you two idiots become friends and having to

1865
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 4: deal with the pluses and minuses of that when you

1866
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 4: came in crazy hungover to work, but also when I

1867
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 4: would see your friendship on screen, you know, and seeing

1868
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 4: how people were afraid of Johnny C and how that translated,

1869
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 4: and seeing Donald's chemistry with Judy and Zach and Sarah's

1870
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 4: puppy dog love for each I mean, it's fantastic.

1871
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 5: So that's what this stuff.

1872
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 4: Takes me back to, you know, is how cool it

1873
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 4: is that not only that you two are still friends,

1874
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 4: but that we all still spend time together and talk.

1875
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 2: You Know, I say, I love a lot I've noticed,

1876
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,599
Speaker 2: but I truly do love that about what we've done together.

1877
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 2: You know, we didn't just build a television show together.

1878
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 2: You know. It wasn't just you know, you created a show,

1879
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 2: we acted and it'd see you later. It's we become

1880
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 2: like a family, and when we see each other it's

1881
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: so amazing. And you know, I don't see everybody as

1882
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 2: much as I see the two of you, but it's

1883
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 2: always it's always dope, you know what I mean. I enjoy.

1884
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna laugh. I know i'm gonna you

1885
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I know I'm gonna feel good.

1886
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: It's always great to be around y'all.

1887
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 4: So happy.

1888
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Bill for coming on. And I

1889
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: hope that you'll do this. I mean, it makes sense

1890
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: of all people for you to come on a bunch

1891
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: to this because I hope, I hope you will, because

1892
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, people seem to be really liking it and

1893
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: which makes a smile, and it makes so much sense

1894
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 1: to have you on whenever you're willing to come on.

1895
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 5: You know what I thought you could do that.

1896
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 4: You can either use this cut it or take this

1897
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 4: pitch and do it from now on on any podcast

1898
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 4: that I'm not on. If you guys run into a

1899
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 4: question with the guests or with each other, why did

1900
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 4: this happen?

1901
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 5: Or is this true? You can fire it off to me.

1902
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 4: I will voice mema record a one line response that

1903
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 4: you can edit in that.

1904
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: That's great, that's very smart'd be like all right, Joelle,

1905
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: we need a bill voice note answer on this question

1906
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: and then we'll just cut it in when we do

1907
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: the podcast editing.

1908
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 4: I love yeah, you know, as if I'm hovering there

1909
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 4: all the time, which I will not be. This is

1910
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 4: great what you guys are doing. I love you both,

1911
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 4: I miss you both.

1912
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: Thank you and and we love you and thank you.

1913
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: And you know, we ended the last episode by giving

1914
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: a shout out to the medical community, and I think

1915
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 1: it's right to do it since we were a show

1916
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: about a hospital. Just to give all our love to

1917
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: anybody who's listening to this, who has anyone fighting on

1918
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: the front lines of this insanity. Thank you so much

1919
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: for your courage and uh and and for being there

1920
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 1: for for all of us.

1921
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,760
Speaker 4: And yeah, there's a thousand things you can do to

1922
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 4: be of service. You can write a check, or you

1923
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 4: can call your friend that's working at a hospital and

1924
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 4: talk to him or her every night just to see

1925
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 4: how they're doing.

1926
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 5: But spend a few minutes and do it.

1927
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And on that note, Donald, will

1928
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: you lead us in song?

1929
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Five five six story.

1930
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 3: Show we made about a bunch of talks and nurses

1931
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 3: in Canada whom I.

1932
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 5: Said, here's the story.

1933
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 3: NEPWLL should know, so gather around you here up, gather

1934
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 3: around you here, up.

1935
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: Scruts me.

1936
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 5: My show is a