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Speaker 1: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is

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Speaker 1: the Matt Williamson. This is the Drive, well kind of

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Speaker 1: the drive called the drive, call it the Drive. Here

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh, we are

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Speaker 1: live from the Steelers Ota sessions here at the upmc

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Speaker 1: rooney Sports Complex here on Pittsburgh's South side. The Steelers

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Speaker 1: taking part in practice here right now as we sit

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Speaker 1: here in front of us, they'll be just about time

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Speaker 1: here to break off and go do some seven shots here.

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Speaker 3: Matt, Yeah, it's about that time to really start ramping

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Speaker 3: up practice here.

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Speaker 1: Had an opportunity to talk to Joey Porter Jr. No

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Speaker 1: did you yesterday after practice dodging rain drops? And uh

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Speaker 1: said that he really his focus this year was cleaning

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Speaker 1: up some of those penalties that that he had last year.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, he said, like that was it

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Speaker 1: was a technique thing. It wasn't like guys were consistently

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Speaker 1: beating me. And yeah, and I was, you know, just

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Speaker 3: It's just you know, he wasn't dragging dives down that

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Speaker 1: He feels like he you know, he's like, I want

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Speaker 1: I want to be the best, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the best, if not the best cornerback in the league.

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Speaker 1: And you know, to do that, I got to start

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Speaker 1: to clean up some of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's an unrealistic goal to the best

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Speaker 3: guys at that position, you know, with his length and

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Speaker 3: traits and you know what he's shown already, I think

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Speaker 3: that's possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he can learn some of the

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Speaker 1: tricks of the trade. You know, he had Patrick Peterson

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Speaker 1: his first year. Last year was Dante Jackson, and now

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Speaker 1: you're getting a different look at this now from work.

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Speaker 3: I thought the same and we had a good conversation

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Speaker 3: last week about how from year one to year two

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Speaker 3: he really improved as a tackler. And I haven't spoken

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Speaker 3: to him, but my hunches and those of you that

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Speaker 3: have that was his off season priority, you know, like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: it sounds like each off season he's had a singular

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Speaker 3: focus of if I could give a lot, if I

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Speaker 3: can make this weakness into a strength, boy, my entire

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Speaker 3: game goes up dramatically, and year one it was tackling.

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Speaker 3: Now he's not the best tackler in the league, but

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Speaker 3: it's not to me, and I think we agree after

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Speaker 3: it's not a problem anymore. It's not an awkward situation.

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Speaker 3: And if he could do the same with penalties. And

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Speaker 3: I remember you talking about being a good porter conversation earlier.

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Speaker 4: More's asked of.

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Speaker 3: Him, though, you know, I mean, he's never going to

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Speaker 3: be penalty free if you.

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Speaker 1: Look super clean. Most of the penalties came in like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were in clusters.

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Speaker 1: They came in a five in one game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow. I mean, right, that does how happened? Right?

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Speaker 1: That adds And sometimes you just get an officiating group

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Speaker 3: That's why I was wondering too, is that you get

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Speaker 1: You get, you get, and you get some of that.

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Speaker 1: So I think some of it is maybe knowing who

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Speaker 4: He hates this experience around the league. Yeah, you hate

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Speaker 1: You'd played differently when those guys are officiating, but you

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Speaker 3: That's definitely true in basketball hockey. I mean some guys

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Speaker 3: I mean all that stuff matters, and Slagh would help

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean it's been around right, he's done

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Speaker 1: The thing where I really think that slave can help him.

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Speaker 1: Sligh over the course of his career has averaged averaged

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was shocked that he was on the air

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Speaker 4: Were really really hot. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's one area if Joey Porter

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Speaker 3: The numbers go along, yeah right, I mean rightfully so,

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Speaker 4: You know, some of the guys getting you hands on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the guys who are considered, you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. I mean like Digs in Dallas, like

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Speaker 1: Like there's there's this idea out there that he had

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Speaker 4: No, I don't see that.

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Speaker 1: The passer. He gave up a passer rating of eighty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which goes into that range interceptions kill passer ratings.

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Speaker 1: Right, And you know that wasn't you know. I think

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Speaker 3: And I urged people to realize too that maybe certains

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's too much scheming and rub routes and

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Speaker 3: But that being said, Porter's job is still harder than

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Speaker 4: Day that day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if he can, you know, in this day and age,

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Speaker 3: You'll take that all day long.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. All that's just the way the quarterbacks are so good.

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Speaker 1: Leader every year. Now in today's NFL throws fifteen interceptions.

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Speaker 3: This isn't the seventies where.

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Speaker 1: They're just throwing the ball down the field all the time.

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Speaker 1: And you know that your interceptions percentage is.

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Speaker 1: The Steeler were tied I believe, for third or fourth

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Speaker 3: One per game game a ton for a team. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Get more, yeah, but you'll take that for sure.

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Speaker 1: A huge number in today's day and age.

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Speaker 3: For this defense. I wouldn't take twelve, right, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that's what it has to be. Because

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Speaker 3: Like that as well. I mean, you're gonna win the

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Speaker 3: turnover battle twelve out of seventeen games if you get

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Speaker 1: You know, and we heard about it from Mason Rudolph

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Speaker 1: Mike Toman had stressed in a team meeting, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, winning the turnover battle. People talk about that

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Speaker 1: is like it's a bad thing. Oh, Toman plays so conservative, Like, no,

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Speaker 1: you want to win the turnover battle, right, right, that's

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Speaker 1: the idea. If you win the turnover battle, you're going

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Speaker 3: This goes back to Lombardy and Nole and Shula, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the game changes a lot. This doesn't look

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Speaker 3: turns into a lot of wins. You know, Shula's teams

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Speaker 3: never had were always a top of league in penalties

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Speaker 3: that's free guarded you're giving people, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: that stuff still matters.

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Speaker 1: The Raiders were not the Raiders were not.

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Speaker 4: They did it differently.

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Speaker 1: It looks like they're getting ready now for seven shots

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Speaker 1: in the offensive lineman walking down here. They're going to

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Speaker 1: do this on our end of the field here today.

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Speaker 3: Good good. We even had a great viewpoint of seven

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quarterbacks practicing some of those throws right now that

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Speaker 5: What's up, gentlemen? Yeah, issues I just said, you see

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Speaker 4: A side I did see just when you were around.

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Speaker 6: So much here. It fell right out of my backpack.

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Speaker 5: There's a little extra pep in everyone's step.

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Speaker 3: Because it's all we got to do is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can definitely tell it's like the

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Speaker 3: And that's what they're starting to teach these guys too. Yes,

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Speaker 4: We're here to win.

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Speaker 1: And for the young guys who don't know yet, we

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Speaker 3: And there's some bragging rights.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, every uh, you know, every single dinner out

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Speaker 5: And we've seen it at forced. I mean we've seen it.

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Speaker 6: You didn't win in practice today. And that is again,

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Speaker 1: And these guys, these guys are everybody who has made

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Speaker 1: If they're not really competitive, if they're just I'm okay

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Speaker 6: You be very long, long, absolutely, and you know all

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Speaker 3: Probably you're stronger at everybody.

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Speaker 3: And that makes me crazy, especially during like draft season

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Speaker 4: I mean that's a prerequisite. Wre not make That.

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Speaker 3: Mahomes that's cousins. I mean, that's everybody, that's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Right, right, I mean you have to that that gets

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Speaker 6: Position completely, and especially at that position. Like you guys

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Speaker 6: ninety minutes, once a week type thing. That's pretty much

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: Right, And you're doing particularly by the time they get

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Speaker 5: That's the minimum.

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Speaker 3: And there are quarterbacks, and there are players at every

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Speaker 1: Like the offense just won.

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Speaker 3: They look pretty happy, they look.

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Speaker 1: Pretty happy, and how they won was what we were

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Speaker 3: Right, I saw that too. I'm like it was a

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Speaker 3: But we want the vault secrets because the Ravens might

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Speaker 1: We're all looking around going, wait a.

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Speaker 3: Second, right, you want me to blast this guy in

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Speaker 1: Anyway. So now that they've got the seven shots out

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Speaker 3: They go there Neckla Woods.

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Speaker 3: And all the fundamentals that are so important to that.

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Speaker 1: It's there's not enough.

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Speaker 3: They're just not enough time. Yeah, you gotta figure out

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Speaker 3: On Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you know. I mean it's

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Speaker 5: I don't give your team as healthy as possible, right.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, I mean duct tape you up and get

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Speaker 1: through the seats, a rookie. It's a rookie to come

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Speaker 1: in and become a part of that because you missed,

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Speaker 1: you missed a big part. You built no foundation, right,

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Speaker 1: The foundation was the coaching staff too. You're jumping in

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Speaker 1: and they're on the fourth floor now of building the house,

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Speaker 1: and you're still down on the foundation.

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Speaker 6: And as Matt mentioned, like Zach Zani and these guys,

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Speaker 6: they're getting ready to beat the Ravens. Right, how do

448
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Speaker 6: we play the Chiefs? How do we attack the Eagles?

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Speaker 6: How do we attack the Browns? Not you know, being

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Speaker 6: able to and I don't mean this as an insult,

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Speaker 6: but like having the time to hold somebody's hand to

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Speaker 6: get them up the speed.

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Speaker 5: You just don't.

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Speaker 6: And that's why you have all these extra off season

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Speaker 6: phases and and and big part of why there's all

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Speaker 6: these programs.

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Speaker 1: Now and then playing three games in eleven days and

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff where your practices are a walkthrough.

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Speaker 6: And again that's like assuming everyone's healthy as well to

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Speaker 6: all hands on, which is hardly ever the case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to your point, West, I mean a lot of

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Speaker 3: it is Can I just get my body healthy enough

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Speaker 3: to be ready for the sixty?

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Speaker 1: You know what? I can I feel human again by

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Speaker 1: the time we by the time we stapped this thing.

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Speaker 6: Right, and then what other brain power do I have

467
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Speaker 6: left to prepare and get ready for those you know,

468
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Speaker 6: eleven guys that are gonna be lined up across from me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can remember Jerome Bettis talking about that, and

470
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Speaker 1: Jerome took a beating on Sundays, just took a beating I.

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Speaker 4: Can remember, like a car wreck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talking to him and he looked like somebody had

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Speaker 1: had taken a cane and just beat him on the back,

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to put his shirt on. He couldn't

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Speaker 1: raise his arms up with the shoulders the bruises, and

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Speaker 1: you know, Monday was you know, I can't even get

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Speaker 1: out of bed. Tuesday is okay, I'm starting to feel

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Speaker 1: kind of human again. Wednesday, let's right, let's go back

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Speaker 1: and do it again.

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Speaker 6: And it's I mean, you hear that from football players,

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Speaker 6: I think at every level, even if you know, even

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Speaker 6: if you're just like a high school football star who

483
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Speaker 6: was getting thirty touches of game, now, imagine what that's

484
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Speaker 6: like when you're lining up against Brian or Lacker and

485
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Speaker 6: ray Lewis, And yeah, it's it is.

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Speaker 5: I think I think you're right. I think that's one

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Speaker 5: of the things.

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Speaker 6: I think people don't really kind of realize how little

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Speaker 6: time there is once you get into the season throughout

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Speaker 6: the course of a week.

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Speaker 3: Now, they're younger, and times were different back then, and

492
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Speaker 3: sports science has changed dramatically. But when I was a

493
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Speaker 3: pit next door, typical game was would beat WU on

494
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Speaker 3: on Saturday, and then Sunday you come out here and

495
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Speaker 3: they just run them and run them and run them,

496
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Speaker 3: and conditioning and stuff.

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Speaker 4: And those guys are hurting men like I mean, that's.

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Speaker 5: Just to get russels moving and kind of locking up

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Speaker 5: for a day.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like they were stupid about it. That's what

501
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Speaker 3: people did back then.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's the same now, but I mean

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Speaker 3: those guys were, they'd summon everything they could to get

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Speaker 3: out there on those fields and start running sprints.

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Speaker 1: Guys, let's get to a break. Here. We are live

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Speaker 1: from the Steelers OTA session here at the upmc rooney

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Speaker 1: Sports Complex here on Pittsburgh's south side. He is West Hueler.

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Speaker 1: That's Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to our

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Speaker 1: ongoing coverage here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this least.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and Gold,

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly here with Dean,

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson, and Wesley Euler. We are live from the

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Speaker 1: Steelers OTA session here, session number three at the upmc

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Speaker 1: rooney Sports Complex here on Pittsburgh's south side. A spirited

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Speaker 1: practice today, fellas.

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Speaker 3: Oh big time. I was thinking the same thing. It's

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Speaker 3: not like the other ones were lacking it. But the

522
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Speaker 3: weather was the story yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody was happy to be out there yesterday.

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Speaker 3: No, Tuesday, the story was first day back on the field,

525
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Speaker 3: on the grass. And today it's like they're out there

526
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Speaker 3: competing and into this, and they're doing more football ish stuff,

527
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Speaker 3: you know, than just drills.

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Speaker 1: They're footballing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, falling.

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Speaker 3: It's it's funny. It's been three days, but they've noticeably

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Speaker 3: taken steps forward as a team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The speed is picked up a little bit here. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're seeing starters out there, you know, doing

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Speaker 3: starter stuff.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's what you would expect. And and you know,

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Speaker 1: you just keep kind of ramping up and ramping up

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Speaker 1: and ramping up. I would expect next week to be

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Speaker 1: more spirited than even today as they continue to get

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Speaker 1: ready and prepare.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a quick question for you. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you know the answer to this, but we mentioned they

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Speaker 3: have a four day weekend. Do most of these guys

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Speaker 3: go back to their hometown or do they camp out

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Speaker 3: somewhere in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them will leave, and they'll they'll leave

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Speaker 1: in it come back.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you have millions and millions of dollars

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Speaker 4: and pop off flight and get home.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, if you're a younger guy, you

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Speaker 1: probably you probably hang out and they'll do little things

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Speaker 1: over the weekend to kind of a little team building exercises. Cookouts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward will have everybody over to his house for

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Speaker 1: a cookout or things of that nature. I saw there

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Speaker 1: was a sign inside that there somebody's having.

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Speaker 5: They've gone to Kennywood in the past, like things like.

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Speaker 1: They'll do things like that just to kind of again,

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Speaker 1: not everybody's gonna leave. Not everybody's here.

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Speaker 6: And not, as Matt mentioned, like some of the younger

559
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Speaker 6: guys who have made some money already, they can get

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Speaker 6: on a plane. And but if you're someone who's kind

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Speaker 6: of rookie or young, you have it.

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Speaker 1: You're here.

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Speaker 5: You're here, You're not running around every couple of days.

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Speaker 1: And you know the big thing that you get to

565
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Speaker 1: fight the temptation to go out and do something stupid.

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Speaker 4: Right right, There will be some of that around the league.

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Speaker 1: That's all. That's all part of the process. Town hit

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Speaker 1: do something that is going to get you in the.

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Speaker 5: Front pages is the summertime weekend.

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Speaker 3: That's a big conversation, as every coach has after these

571
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Speaker 3: three weeks, is we any headlines are bad?

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Speaker 4: Between these camps and training camp, these six.

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Speaker 6: Weeks, seven weeks the only time we go quiet unless

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Speaker 6: you do something dumb.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there's going to be NFL headlines and if

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Speaker 3: you're it, then we got problems right. The other thing, though,

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Speaker 3: there are logistics to it too, Like a lot of

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Speaker 3: these rookies, especially the draft picks, are they gonna move,

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Speaker 3: you know, Like I mean they may not buy a

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Speaker 3: permanent house.

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Speaker 4: Some of the might, some of them not.

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Speaker 3: Someone might just get an apartment, but it might be

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Speaker 3: like I gotta go back to Georgia and pack my

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Speaker 3: stuff up and bring it up to my apartment. And

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Speaker 3: you know, like there's a lot of logistics to do.

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Speaker 3: And the older guys DK Metcalfs kids have to go

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Speaker 3: to a new school or whatever. You mean, there's a

588
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Speaker 3: lot more of that stuff than people think about.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, these guys have lives, and you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: a young guy, you know, let's say you're one of

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Speaker 1: the undrafted guys, or you're a first year guy or whatever.

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Speaker 1: You might just be sitting in a hotel room all weekend.

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Speaker 1: You have nothing to do but study your playbook.

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Speaker 3: Play yeah, play Xbox, study your playbook and just be

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Speaker 3: a hermit. I mean, I'm sure a lot of those

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Speaker 3: guys are doing that, like.

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Speaker 4: Workout, rest, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 5: Maybe go over to somebody's house for dinner one night

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Speaker 5: or something like that. You might not know, but you right, yeah,

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Speaker 5: workout and you know, do all that kind of absolutely, and.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure some of them, like, man, I don't know

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Speaker 6: if you remember this. For whatever reason, this just popped

603
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Speaker 6: in my head, but this would have been pre COVID.

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Speaker 6: I mean, so twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen, you and

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Speaker 6: I talked to James Connor here for a few minutes

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Speaker 6: and he was like, this is great for me when

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Speaker 6: we get these four days off because I just pop

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Speaker 6: up the Ear.

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Speaker 1: He can drive home to Ear.

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Speaker 5: He spent a couple of days with my family, and

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Speaker 5: maybe get out on the lake a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so some guys do some stuff like that as well.

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Speaker 1: Actually we can drive drive home to Columbt.

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Speaker 6: A lot of these guys live within a two or

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Speaker 6: three hour distance, you know, even where they grew up.

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Speaker 5: But you could go see your family do something like

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Speaker 5: that as well.

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Speaker 3: Harmon could go to Michigan and the Sawyer is a

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Speaker 3: good example. But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If you're from Utah, are you going home?

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Speaker 1: You know why?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: Probably not?

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Speaker 4: Probably not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all part of the process. And you know

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Speaker 1: it's you're an adult now, Yeah, you're an adult.

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Speaker 4: This is right.

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Speaker 1: Job.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna figure this stuff out. I hold your hand.

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Speaker 1: Being in college and you know, being on Easter break

632
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Speaker 1: and I stayed on campus because I had to work.

633
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Speaker 1: I was working at the TV station in Johnstown and

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Speaker 1: so I stayed. Or I was working at the newspaper

635
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Speaker 1: in Johnson. I stayed because I was working.

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Speaker 3: You're hoping these guys aren't like, Oh, I can't wait

637
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Speaker 3: to get home so I can give mommy my laundry.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: That stuff by yourself now.

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Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah, you are an adult now.

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Speaker 3: Now if you want mommy's home cooking and you want

642
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Speaker 3: to see your family, different story.

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Speaker 5: But you know everybody relates to that on But yeah, no,

644
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Speaker 5: it is.

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Speaker 3: I always wonder that a four day weekend is that

646
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Speaker 3: enough to go home or not. I'm sure a lot

647
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Speaker 3: of people leave.

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Speaker 5: But kind of budget you're working with has a big

649
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Speaker 5: factor in it as well too.

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Speaker 4: But your responsibilities are away from the team too.

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Speaker 1: But again, if you if you were a young guy

652
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Speaker 1: trying to make this roster, do you really want to

653
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Speaker 1: spend four days away from this right away from what.

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Speaker 6: You should what you should probably want this this long

655
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Speaker 6: weekend to work and reinforce on the stuff that you

656
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Speaker 6: just went through these past three days. Maybe I'll take

657
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Speaker 6: one day to rest and recover, and then I got

658
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Speaker 6: three straight days that I could kind of rep this

659
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Speaker 6: out again on my own.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of learning that goes

662
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Speaker 1: on here. And you know, if you're you're Will Howard

663
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Speaker 1: for example, especially, you know you're learning a completely new

664
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: playbook and you have to know what everybody has to do.

665
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not just what what What's If I'm

666
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: the running back, I just got to know, Okay, where's

667
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: the offensive line going, where's my blocking at, and here's

668
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: my whole Sure, if I'm the quarterback, I gotta know everything.

669
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Speaker 3: I also don't want to risk that my Monday flight

670
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: gets delayed and yeah, right, or I can't get here

671
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 3: on time and I'm the undrafted free agent and our

672
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: position coach doesn't want to hear it. The head coach

673
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: definitely doesn't want to hear it.

674
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Speaker 1: One thing I thought was interesting as I saw an

675
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Speaker 1: interview I can't remember where, but I saw an interview

676
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: with somebody who had talked to one of the guys

677
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: who was here for Rookie Camp Rookie Mini Camp, and

678
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: talked about how Mike Tomblin knew everybody's names at Rookie

679
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Mini Camp, even the guys who are here on tryouts.

680
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Speaker 3: I say, some of those dudes are way down the

681
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: pecking yeah, right, but.

682
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: He knew every single dude and knew something about them.

683
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Speaker 5: Which is impressive. Yeah, a lot of coaches aren't like that,

684
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 5: but I also think that.

685
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Speaker 3: Really don't even have to. I mean, that's going above

686
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Speaker 3: and beyond. That's one of those guys you may never

687
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Speaker 3: see again totally.

688
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Speaker 6: But I also I think that's I think that's part

689
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 6: of why he has the reputation with the players around

690
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 6: the league. That's a big reason why when we hear

691
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 6: you guys know this better than I do, because you're

692
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 6: you're kind of boots on the ground down here even

693
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 6: more than I am.

694
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Speaker 5: Especially Dale. You know, Matt, he was like a real

695
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 5: journalist compared to your teacher.

696
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: He's in the locker room in every practice, and you know, when.

697
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 6: The Steelers sign free agents or when they go out

698
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 6: and trade for somebody like Mega Fitzpatrick, one of the

699
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 6: first things that those guys usually talk about is when

700
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 6: they met with Mike Tomlin two years ago, four years ago,

701
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 6: six years ago, when I was coming out of college

702
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 6: and we had dinner and he was very personable and

703
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 6: he made an impression on me.

704
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Speaker 1: That's that.

705
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 6: Knowing these guys' names and even if they're a rookie

706
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 6: and rookie mini camp who has a two percent chance

707
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 6: of even getting to training camp. I think that goes

708
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 6: a long way in that process of just having relationships

709
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 6: with everybody that you never know down the line when

710
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 6: that might come in.

711
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Speaker 1: He's from Division three, what's the matter?

712
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Speaker 5: You correct?

713
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Speaker 6: Correct, And you know what, it's funny too, Dale, Like,

714
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 6: I think that's now and you guys know this. A

715
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 6: lot of things from the college game leak into the

716
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 6: pro game. A lot of things from the pro game

717
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 6: kind of trickle down to the collegiate game.

718
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: World that's get and smaller. You know, people know each

719
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: other and right.

720
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Speaker 6: These college football coaches now, if you're recruiting a kid

721
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 6: out of high school and he ends up going If

722
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 6: you're recruiting him to pitt and he ends up going

723
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Speaker 6: to Virginia Tech instead, you better still have that relationship.

724
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 6: Years from now, he might be in the portal and

725
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 6: he might be interested in coming back. And that happens

726
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 6: all the time now. So it is that whole like

727
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 6: football is relationship things. That's it's never I think more

728
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 6: real than it is if football.

729
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: World is a small one totally.

730
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Speaker 3: These agents all know each other, and these guys did

731
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Speaker 3: camps together, or you know, they all went to high

732
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Speaker 3: school together, or played against Miami or Texas or some

733
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Speaker 3: of these you were.

734
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Speaker 1: In the case of the case of a guy like

735
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Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson and Will Howard, they played together, yeah, you know,

736
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: even though they're not the same, Ah, yeah, but they're

737
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: They were in that k State quarterback room together. They

738
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Speaker 1: shared playing time together.

739
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Speaker 3: And something day when I talk about a lot is

740
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: you know the pre draft visits and why would they

741
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: meet with all these quarterbacks. Well, they brought sh Door

742
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: Sanders in. They might play against him twice a year,

743
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, or his contract will be up in four

744
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: years and on sign him as a backup or you

745
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: know whatever, Like you your past are going to cross

746
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: a lot. Why wouldn't you get as much information, especially

747
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 3: on quarterbacks as you possibly can? Right?

748
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 5: A hundred percent? And you're right.

749
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 6: The quarterback is the ultimate example, right right, Like I

750
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 6: think for tangibly, what we have here the Micka Fitzpatrick example,

751
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 6: Like they knew they weren't going to what was he

752
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 6: drafted eleventh overall this year? I think they knew they

753
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 6: weren't going to be picking that high and able to.

754
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Speaker 4: Get him right, right, but but they loved them and.

755
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 5: Just the second he became available. You don't have to

756
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 5: have that event. You go, yeah, we want them. What

757
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 5: are we willing to give up? Let's go, let's get

758
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 5: it done right.

759
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna be on top of that stuff. You

760
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: got to be that your pro scouting, but it starts

761
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: with your college scouting.

762
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Speaker 1: They're different from DK Metcalf, They're different from anybody that

763
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: end up trading for. You don't just trade for him

764
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: because well I really like his NFL tape.

765
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Speaker 5: You want to have a baseline on that.

766
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: No, I met with that guy. I think he's an

767
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Speaker 1: individual who will fit within our locker room.

768
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Speaker 3: He had a neck injury back then, is it a

769
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: problem still or is he nursing it or you know right,

770
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a database inside those walls that you

771
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: can click on any NFL player of any decade and

772
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: start reading their reports that start with college stuff. You know,

773
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: when they went first time they walked into Auburn, ne

774
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: the you know, the area scout and he keeps building

775
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: on it, building on it.

776
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Speaker 1: Interesting to note here again I'm not giving anything away here,

777
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: but the defense is out on the field here and

778
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: Peyton Wilson making the play call.

779
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Speaker 3: I noticed that too. And the other thing I noticed,

780
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Speaker 3: without giving too much away, is a lot of people

781
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: that are going to be playing. They're definitely making this

782
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: team have been on the field a lot. That's not

783
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: just a bunch of throwaway dudes out there. They they're

784
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: they're repping real stuff abso mentally more than physically.

785
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this right now is more mental

786
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: than physical. But like Wilson's drops and you know, his reads,

787
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: and yeah, taking taking the information from Taroll Austin and

788
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: then relaying it to the rest of the defense.

789
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

790
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: So again, a very important part of this. He probably

791
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: didn't do any of that last year. In fact, I

792
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: guarantee he didn't.

793
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: Do it probably last year. Probably not.

794
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Speaker 4: And that doesn't mean they're gonna take it away from Queen,

795
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: but maybe, I mean, may.

796
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Better have good You gotta have better have two guys

797
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: capable of doing it. And you know, one of those

798
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: two guys is gonna be on the field all the

799
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: time unless they're both hurt.

800
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Speaker 3: And if someone gets hurt, you go every third one

801
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: lined up too. Yeah, right, and I'm sure Holcome's done

802
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: some of it. Yeah, I would take over his career,

803
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: especially with Washington. He was our top linebacker for a while.

804
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just interesting that, you know, now again,

805
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: last year for him was the baseline, you know, the floor.

806
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: Now you're going up to the second floor with him

807
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: on having him do some of that stuff.

808
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot of Peyton Wilson, and again I

809
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: think we all loved they lost a linebacker. I mean

810
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: that we all were fond of of course, but there's

811
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: only so many reps and they wouldn't get Wilson on

812
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: the field a lot, you know, and he's gonna play

813
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 3: more than Jess Nickel and Dime.

814
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's pretty evident. Every down linebacker. And

815
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: so if you're gonna do that, you know, Landon Roberts

816
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: becomes expendable, especially since he doesn't play specialty.

817
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 3: That's the killer, right, I mean, and Harrison does. And

818
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: you don't need Harrison on defense if you've got Wilson

819
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: and Holcomb ahead of them, you know, let alone queen.

820
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Speaker 1: Which sorry, we you know, we've got maybe ten percent

821
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: of the defensive snaps for you.

822
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: That's what we can offer you. That's what disaster.

823
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: That's not going to be enough, right, right, you know

824
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: to justify paying you four million dollars or whatever he

825
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: got from from the Raiders to be a ten percent

826
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: snap guy.

827
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: The Raiders will play him sixty percent, right, yeah, right,

828
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: be out there. It's better for him too. I mean,

829
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: they got a way way from their side too.

830
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Raiders, Raiders, Jackson Powers. Johnson was on

831
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Max Crosby's podcast earlier and he talked about how he

832
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: was so happy Cam Hayward hasn't retired because Cam Hayward

833
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: beat him for a sack last year. Well, he didn't

834
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: say he beat him. He said, I overset on this

835
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: short and I gave up the first sack of my

836
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: career at any.

837
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: Level, which I'm sure he'll always remember at any level,

838
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: any level. I'd like to fact check that one.

839
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: But regardless, and he said, I'm glad I'll get another

840
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: opportunity to play against him, he said, And oh, by

841
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: the way, he let me know about it after he

842
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: beat me, but he said it wasn't necessary. He didn't

843
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: necessarily beat me. I overset and I gave up a sack. Well, no,

844
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: then if that was the case, Jackson, he did beat

845
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: you because you made a mistake and he took advantage

846
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: of it. That's that's how this works.

847
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: That's how it works, right, I mean, even if your

848
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: technique was perfect, you can still beat you, all right.

849
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: And when we did all the center analysis of him,

850
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: him and Frasier and those guys Barton all coming out

851
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 3: of school and end up being a lot of centers

852
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: in that class that ended up being starters. He was

853
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: kind of like on the top of the list to start,

854
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: and then you start doing more and more homework and

855
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: get more reveal. There was a lot of people that

856
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: kind of thought, he's his personality is not for everyone,

857
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: and maybe that's part of it, and he should look

858
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: at it that way. What can I do better against

859
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: Cam Hayward, of course, but sometimes you'd be like, yeah,

860
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 3: you'll be you know, in such a life.

861
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 5: You know. You know Cam Hayward a few years ago

862
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 5: abused Quinton Nelson over there on the r shore and

863
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 5: that's one of the best guards of this generation.

864
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 6: It happens, and yeah, you're right, like he won't be

865
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 6: the last guy that kind the Raiders with that personality,

866
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 6: But you're right. This offseason and he had a he

867
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 6: had a nice end of the season, Like he had

868
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 6: a good I think he struggled a little bit at

869
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 6: the start of the season, then he had a nice stretch,

870
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 6: but he's I think he's let everybody know that he

871
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 6: had a nice stretch down the end of the season.

872
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 6: And I think there was a clip of like him

873
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 6: and Ashton Genty talking at the Raiders it out and

874
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 6: he he was like, you know, like we're gonna be

875
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 6: the I'm paraphrasing, but like, you know, we're gonna be

876
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 6: the center in the running back of the league going

877
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 6: forward type thing, you know, And hey, you want you

878
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 6: guys to have confidence, but maybe kind of keep that.

879
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Speaker 1: Every Yeah, exactly, absolutely absolutely, Uh, let's get through a break, guys.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. That is Wesley Euler. I am

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Speaker 1: Dale Lolly. You're listening to our live, ongoing coverage here

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Speaker 1: from the Steelers Ota Sessions here at the upmc rooney

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 2: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 2: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. Here wither

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Speaker 1: and the Matt Williamson and guys that we were live

891
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Speaker 1: here from the Steelers Ota Sessions and Danny Smith out

892
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: there right now working on some special team stuff and

893
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Speaker 1: they're going over the kickoff coverage and and things of

894
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Speaker 1: that nature.

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Speaker 3: Here all these guys probably for the first time.

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Speaker 1: This is like, this is like learning algebra. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

897
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Speaker 1: you know wait what what excuse me, teacher? You can't

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Speaker 1: leave until when this is this is math? Right?

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Speaker 5: Why are there letters up on the board.

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Speaker 4: I thought this was just a number, yes, yes, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: These these college kids didn't do any of this kind

902
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Speaker 4: of stuff.

903
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Speaker 1: So some of the NFL guys have never done this before.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's also pretty brand new. You know, you may have

906
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Speaker 1: seen it, but now you actually have to put it

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Speaker 1: into I've I've seen pythagoreans there. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: it works, you know.

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Speaker 3: But I really have to hold my water and not

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Speaker 3: run down there as fast as I want and all

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's just different. It's it's all part

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Speaker 1: of this process.

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Speaker 3: Danny and special teams coaches in general just fascinate me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they they've worked with so many people, and

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Speaker 3: they so many of them come and go, even their

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Speaker 3: best guys.

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Speaker 4: You know, like I say this all the time, but

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Speaker 4: like no one in.

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Speaker 3: Week five tells the offensive coordinator we cut the left tackle,

921
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Speaker 3: you know, you know what I mean? And that what

922
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Speaker 3: inevitably happened to him twice this year, where someone he's

923
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Speaker 3: counting on to be, you know, his third best kickoff

924
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Speaker 3: return guy and second best punt coverage a guy like

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Speaker 3: let's say a Jeremiah Moon, right exactly, somebody counts on.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can't have five outside linebackers this week.

927
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Speaker 1: We needed a spot for an extra safety.

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Speaker 4: Right, somebody got hurt on the line. What do you mean, right,

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Speaker 4: I need that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can't have this week.

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Speaker 3: Then there are some good examples of special teams coaches

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Speaker 3: becoming big time head coaches.

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Speaker 4: You know, Harbaugh is one of them, and because.

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Speaker 1: They have to deal with so many people, they're the

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Speaker 1: only other coach on the roster is other than the

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Speaker 1: head coach who deals with the entire RUSS.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean a special teams meeting has more meeting,

938
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Speaker 3: more people in it than any other meeting you're going

939
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Speaker 3: to be at. Like the quarterbacks aren't in there, and

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Speaker 3: they're you know, Cam Hayward does not together necessarily, but

941
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Speaker 3: you're talking to a lot of different players.

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Speaker 1: I'm still on special team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll say he does too. I mean there are some.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if Eric Kickerson was in

945
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Speaker 3: there back in the day or you know a couple

946
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Speaker 3: of those type of dudes. But all in all, you

947
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Speaker 3: got to at least know it because you might get

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Speaker 3: called upon on Sunday that, hey we got two guys

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Speaker 3: hurt your returning kicks.

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Speaker 1: Now, you know, but your offensive to your point, the

951
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Speaker 1: offensive and defensive lineman, they're still out there on field goal.

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Speaker 3: They're still on field goal block and protection and right,

953
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Speaker 3: So I mean you you're dealing with, you gotta wrap it.

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Speaker 1: The fifty three men on the regular roster, forty two

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Speaker 1: or forty five of them are in that meeting room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially this time of year or camp when the

957
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Speaker 3: rosters are gigantic. I mean there might be seven five

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Speaker 3: Patricks on the hands team, you know, right right right,

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Speaker 3: he can be they could block a punt or yeah

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Speaker 3: they got.

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Speaker 1: To go in there, or you get into a situation

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Speaker 1: where hey, we got leave our first team defense on

963
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Speaker 1: the field here because they made they made fake a

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Speaker 1: pun here, fake a field goal. I say all the

965
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Speaker 1: situational stuff too, all right, So I need T J.

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Speaker 1: Watt in my in my special teams meeting. Yeah, you

967
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Speaker 1: may have to pay attention to all of it, but no,

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Speaker 1: right right, you know, he better know what's going on.

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Speaker 3: But special teams coaches live a crazy world. And so

970
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Speaker 3: imagine whether they're or nuts, they're they're all high energy,

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Speaker 3: and they're all a little of screwlat Yeah, and.

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Speaker 6: I got so I got to imagine that a lot

973
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Speaker 6: of this process for Danny Smith is information gathering.

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Speaker 5: Who can I trust?

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Speaker 3: Who can understand?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 6: Okay, if this is my number one on my depth chart,

978
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Speaker 6: but Okay, who's two and three? In case I lose

979
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Speaker 6: one or number two gets cut, or someone's injured, or

980
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Speaker 6: as you mentioned, someone doesn't make the active game day roster.

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Speaker 5: It's it's just got to be a lot of information gathering,

982
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Speaker 5: I would think.

983
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Speaker 3: And my hunch is all special teams coaches in may

984
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Speaker 3: don't get upset when I have to correct somebody. But

985
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: if I have to correct that guy three times for

986
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Speaker 3: the same thing, or in training camp every day, this

987
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Speaker 3: guy still doesn't get it.

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00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, gets burned pretty.

989
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: Quickly, right, even if he's trying his butt off and

990
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Speaker 3: he wants to be a great special team or but man,

991
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Speaker 3: I you have to correct him on the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I can't play the Bengals with this guy, you.

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00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 5: Know, right, Sorry, you gotta have a baseline of trust.

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00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: Right absolutely. It's like you know, running back in protection.

995
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: You get I can't have my quarterback getting killed, and

996
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: you know you're gonna be in your lane on the kickoff.

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00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 6: No one else is gonna think about it until it

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Speaker 6: presents itself as an issue.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, the one who's got to be circle trust.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be in the circle of trust. If

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Speaker 1: you're outside the circle of trust, you're out. Yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I mean because the other justify roster, the other special

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Speaker 3: teams coaches are gonna be like, man number fifteen is

1004
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Speaker 3: never in his lane on kickoff coverages. Where do you

1005
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: think we're gonna right, yeah, you're gonna go right there.

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Speaker 3: We're like offensive defense.

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Speaker 1: This guy leaves early every single time. Yeah, yeah, every

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Speaker 1: single time. All right, we're gonna take advantage of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how Danny, that's how the Steels blocking. They don't

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Speaker 1: block all these kicks every year because they've got better

1011
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: guys who are better at blocking kicks. They blocked the

1012
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Speaker 1: kicks because they understand what to look for. Danny bridge

1013
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: down the film and shuts them up to block the kick.

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Speaker 3: And I would think that's I don't know much about

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00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: special teams, so I would think that's especially true with

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Speaker 3: field goal block because to our point before, you got

1017
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 3: a bunch of Cam Haywards and tight ends, and I mean,

1018
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: and there's defensive players that aren't good blockers, right, I mean,

1019
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: they're not getting paid to get blocked. We only have

1020
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 3: so many huge people active on game days. So he's

1021
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: gonna be our field goal protection team. They're inevitably is

1022
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: gonna be a weak link. Now, can I beat that

1023
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: guy and get in the backfield before the kick gets off?

1024
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Speaker 3: Maybe not, but I'm still gonna attack weak links. Yeah,

1025
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: and you can see him on film. I'm sure without doubt,

1026
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: and I'm sure there's some d linemen out there that

1027
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 3: really don't even care. I'm just gonna put my hands

1028
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: up it getting the way.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: One other cool thing, guys, since we got a couple

1031
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 6: of minutes here that I just wanted to mention that

1032
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Speaker 6: I like about this setting every single year is the.

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Speaker 5: Local area.

1034
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Speaker 6: And I don't mean like Pitt and Penn State and WU,

1035
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 6: but the local area, smaller college is.

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Speaker 4: We talked about that while you were gone. I went

1037
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 4: running over to talk to them.

1038
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Speaker 6: There's you know, there's there's Duquine and Saint Vincent and

1039
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 6: some smaller schools and things like that. You know, Saint Francis,

1040
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Speaker 6: I think West Virginia Wesleyan was here on Tuesday.

1041
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: Dale mentioned Sawyer's High School.

1042
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Speaker 6: Guys are here right right absolutely in another lifetime as

1043
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 6: well to pre COVID one time, you guys will get

1044
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 6: a kick out of this. I was cooking back here

1045
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 6: with all of our equipment. We were kind of up

1046
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Speaker 6: against it, right. It might have taken me a couple

1047
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 6: extra minutes to park or something like that. I don't

1048
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Speaker 6: remember the exact parameters, but I'm like sprinting down this

1049
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 6: long hallway to get down to the practice fields. Here,

1050
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Speaker 6: i come cooking around the corner and I literally smack

1051
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 6: into Pat White, who was an assistant coach at Alcorn

1052
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Speaker 6: State at the time, and I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry,

1053
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 6: Oh hey, what's up. I was obsessed with you when

1054
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Speaker 6: I was growing up. So it is it's cool to

1055
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 6: see them kind of peel back the curtain or open

1056
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Speaker 6: up maybe the you know, the the help that everybody

1057
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Speaker 6: can can get here and things. You know, some of

1058
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 6: these coaches that are grinding and out and on their

1059
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 6: way up and you know, can come here and see

1060
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 6: how they're doing it at this level. I think that's

1061
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 6: pretty cool. Accidents, very cool guys.

1062
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have citing examples of we'd often have high

1063
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 3: school coaching staffs at pit practices and things like that too,

1064
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: which helps you.

1065
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1066
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: But I mean the these NFL organizations for the most part,

1067
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: are very open to Hey, come much practice, ask me questions,

1068
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: maybe even sit in my O line meeting room, you know,

1069
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: just sit there in the back, just taking note in.

1070
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Speaker 6: That same conversation that we had with Mike Tomlin, with

1071
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 6: these players and getting to know them as they come out.

1072
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Speaker 5: Maybe this coach at Akron three or four years from

1073
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 5: now is interviewing for a job with.

1074
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Speaker 4: The Steelers, you know, or they have a quarterback.

1075
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 5: You might like, right, he might be at Ohio State

1076
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 5: and now has a quarterback, or like, yeah, it's it's cool.

1077
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Speaker 5: It's cool to see that start in that kind of again,

1078
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 5: that access that they grant here as well too, I

1079
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 5: think is pretty cool.

1080
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1081
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's get in the training camp too. Yeah, let's

1082
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Speaker 1: get to another break here, guys. That's going to do

1083
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Speaker 1: it for hour number two of our live ongoing coverage

1084
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Speaker 1: here from knocking it out the Steelers OTA sessions, your

1085
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Speaker 1: OTA session number three here at the upmc rooney Sports

1086
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Speaker 1: Complex here on the South Side. When we get into

1087
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Speaker 1: our number three here, we'll be joined by at least

1088
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Speaker 1: one Steelers player, maybe two. Oh, we see how that

1089
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Speaker 1: goes here. But we'll see who we get and how

1090
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Speaker 1: that goes. They'll be wrapping up practice here probably within

1091
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Speaker 1: the next twenty minutes. Or so, but he is West Ruler.

1092
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Speaker 1: That is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly and Well,

1093
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Speaker 1: you're listening to Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back to bring you our number three right

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Speaker 1: after this