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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one thirty tay.

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Speaker 1: In the show, we're joined by avid big buck hunter

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Speaker 1: and white tailed guide Donnie Wilson, and we're discussing the

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Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen RUT late season tactics and much more.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sitka Gear, and today the show, we are going

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Speaker 1: to be joined by Donnie Wilson, an avid whitetail hunter

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Speaker 1: and hunting guide or Real McCoy outdoors down in southern Ohio.

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Speaker 1: And Donnie has demonstrated level of hunting prowess that's pretty

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Speaker 1: darn hard to match. But in short, this guy just

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Speaker 1: knows how to hunt and kill big, mature, free ranging

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Speaker 1: bucks like few others. But he's a guy that you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not on a TV show, he's not one of

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Speaker 1: these big names, but he just gets it done. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he's killed two bucks himself and has had success like

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Speaker 1: this on both private land and public land. On top

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Speaker 1: of that, because of Donnie's role as a guide. He

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Speaker 1: gets a really unique perspective every year, you know, as

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Speaker 1: he's able to hear from all the different hunters that

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Speaker 1: he works with. So kind of my thoughts for today

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Speaker 1: were to dive into this wealth of information that Donnie

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Speaker 1: has accumulated, both personally and from what he's seen and

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Speaker 1: heard and learned from all these other huntings he's worked

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Speaker 1: with in regards to the two thousand and sixteen rut

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Speaker 1: that we have just kind of wrapped up for most

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Speaker 1: of us. And then we'll also move on to this

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Speaker 1: next phase of the season and talk about late season

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Speaker 1: hunt So that's kind of what the game plan is

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Speaker 1: going to be for the rest of our conversation today

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Speaker 1: with Donnie. But before that, of course, me and Dan

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Speaker 1: we got to catch up a little bit. So, my friend,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing. Do you ever have one of

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Speaker 1: those days where you just kind of feel like drinking?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely, I definitely have those days where

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Speaker 1: I feel like doing nothing right, and but that not

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Speaker 1: just like doing nothing and a lot of drinking. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe not quite as much as you do, but I

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Speaker 1: definitely know those days, dude, I don't have. I hardly

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Speaker 1: drink at all anymore. But there's days like today, um,

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Speaker 1: and kind of it's probably something to snowballing into that, uh,

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Speaker 1: because I had a terrible weekend, had a trail camera

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Speaker 1: stolen from me, and just kind of a bad day

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Speaker 1: at work yesterday and then kind of another stressful bad

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Speaker 1: it's just, you know what, I think. I want to

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Speaker 1: crack open an entire bottle of whiskey and drink it

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Speaker 1: and then just kind of start over tomorrow. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know about that reset button sometimes for me, like

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Speaker 1: my reset is like give me an evening on the

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Speaker 1: couch and I just need a cold beer for me,

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Speaker 1: a cold that's my relaxing drink, and then either just

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Speaker 1: like decompressed with one of like my stupid binge watching

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Speaker 1: TV shows or something. Or I'm a geek. I like

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Speaker 1: to read too. It's like last last night I was

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Speaker 1: I told the wife, well, actually the wife kind of

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Speaker 1: want to do it too. It was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: let's have our own night, do our own things. So

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Speaker 1: and read books all night and I was about as

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Speaker 1: happy as a clam. Yeah. Every once in a while,

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Speaker 1: I'll take an hour to readjust or so, and I'll say, hey,

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Speaker 1: something and it's not very specific. But then I just

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Speaker 1: be a dad and a husband again. Better. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know, let's talk about let's talk about what you've

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Speaker 1: been doing in the last couple of weeks. I don't

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Speaker 1: have as much exciting stuff to share as I wish

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Speaker 1: I did, and um kinda you know, we talk a

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Speaker 1: to my Northern Michigan deer camp with my dad, uncle,

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Speaker 1: which is awesome, um, which is really really exciting. That

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Speaker 1: but um, I actually it was. I mean, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: tell two stories, um really quickly. This is our Northern

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Speaker 1: It is a tough place to hunt, but we go

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Speaker 1: up there because that's where our tradition is, that's where

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Speaker 1: And so I had brought my climbing stand. I walked

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Speaker 1: And in my head I was thinking one of two things.

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Speaker 1: was more luckily that he shot himself. I was that concerned,

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Speaker 1: and I'm realizing, you know, I've been away from from

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Speaker 1: don't know. I never could see exactly how close he

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Speaker 1: If I had been hunting that night, I would have

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Speaker 1: But I was not hunting. Um, So he continues to

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Speaker 1: The next night, I went out. I snuck in there

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Speaker 1: And right before I was about to get out of

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Speaker 1: of the food plot and pulled my binoculars and he's

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Speaker 1: And I can't see his head. I can just see

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Speaker 1: big mature deer, you know, and that that's kind of

428
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: where I'm stuck out now. I've I've been bow hunting

429
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: probably twenty years something like that, twenty two years. Um,

430
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: and now I'm strictly a mature white tail hunter. UM.

431
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: Score means something to me, obviously, but age is probably

432
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: more important it. Yeah. And and you now not only

433
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: hunt yourself, but you're also operating as as as a

434
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: guide as well. Right. Can you tell us a little

435
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: bit about what you do there. Yeah, I'm the head

436
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: guide for Real McCoy Outdoors down in Adams County, Ohio. UM.

437
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: I got started about twelve thirteen years ago. I had

438
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: a different outfit our Buckeye Outfitters asked me if I

439
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: want to guide for him, and I had never done

440
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: it before, UM, but I thought it'd be interesting to do.

441
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: And you know, you think that you're gonna get out

442
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: in the woods and have all the kind all kinds

443
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: of time to hunt and spend all your time in

444
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: the woods. But as a guide, you don't get to

445
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: hunt much. So it's it's not what it's all cracked

446
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: up to be being a white tailed guide if you

447
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: like to hunt. Um, but I did that and then

448
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: I take a couple of years off because I wasn't

449
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: getting to hunt. I wasn't enjoying the guiding thing. And

450
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: then uh, real McCoy Outdoor has made me an offer,

451
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: said that I would get to hunt, and so I

452
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: started working for them about five years ago, and uh,

453
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: we've we've done pretty good. We've we've done a lot

454
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: better each year. Things are definitely heading in the right

455
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: direction down there. So what does what does your what

456
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: does that job entail? I mean, I think there's like

457
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: assumptions from the outside of what the life of a

458
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: guide would be in a white tail outfitting type business.

459
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: But for you, you know, during the season, when they're

460
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: hunters in camp, what are you actually doing throughout the day?

461
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: You know, most of the work is done before the

462
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: season starts. You know, we we do a ton of legwork,

463
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: hanging stands, trail cameras, food plots. Now, you do all

464
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: that stuff before hunters come into camp. So when hunters

465
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: come into camp, you kind of sit down with the hunters,

466
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: go over to go over everything with them. Um, how

467
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: the week's going to go, what we're trying to accomplish,

468
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: what they are trying to accomplish. Um, what kind of

469
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: weather we're gonna have, you know throughout the week. UM.

470
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in the weather. I think it

471
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: means more than more than anything. Um. So we sit

472
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: down and we talked about everything during the week, and

473
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: then UM, we kind of decide where guys are going

474
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: based on their abilities. You know, a lot of a

475
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: lot of guys can't get up in a lock on

476
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: tree stand. They need ladder stands, So we have to

477
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: go over all that and and you know what their

478
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: expectations are. What you know, there's a there's a ton

479
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: of stuff that we go through with the guys when

480
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: they come into camp. And then once the hunt starts,

481
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: you know, there's not a lot going on as far

482
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: as what I'm doing, so I can hunt. That's that's

483
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: that's why I do it for the McCoy's is you know,

484
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: I get to hunt once I get these guys taking

485
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: care are of and and situated, then then I could

486
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: get to do some hunting nice, that is, that is

487
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: a nice situation. Um. Now, one of my buddies, well,

488
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: several of our mutual friends were down hunting with you

489
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: in late October. But uh, I know, you know, for

490
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners actually probably recognized Dennis Zuck,

491
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: who did a lot with us over the past year

492
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: on the podcast for the sick Ad Spots. He was

493
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: down there and he killed a great buck with you guys,

494
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: and then my other friend Matt McCormick missed a great buck.

495
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: What happened on that hunt, Well, Dennis killed, Dennis killed

496
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: within the first hour and a half, so that worked

497
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: out pretty good for Dennis. And then Matt, well, Matt,

498
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: Matt had never really done much, um white tail hunting

499
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: from a tree stand. So when I was talking about

500
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: about coming to hunt Ohio, I mean, it's kind of ironic,

501
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: but I said to Matt, you know the thing that

502
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: I want to do most. Matt has put you on

503
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: a white tail big enough it's gonna make you miss.

504
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: And sure is that the guy missed, it's probably learned

505
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: is a big deer. I know he's he's still losing

506
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: sleep over that one too. I'm sure he is. He's

507
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: he shuns. You know, he came into camp, he sat

508
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: all day that day, and I came in that night.

509
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: He missed that morning, and he came in that night.

510
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: His eyes were still glowing. You know, he was on fire.

511
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: It was. It's pretty awesome to see somebody that's that

512
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: excited after they spent ten hours in a tree stand.

513
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: That's the truth. That's the truth. Well, that's that's what

514
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: makes deer hunting so so special, is that those moments,

515
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: even the low points, they stick with you sometimes and

516
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: sometimes in a pretty cool way. That seemed like an

517
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: encounter that he'll never forget. Just being around a deer

518
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: like that, it's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, Matt's not going

519
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: to forget that one anytime soon, that's for sure. Hey, Donnie,

520
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: I got a question for you in regards to, you know,

521
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: guiding for an outfit or or or whatever. How often

522
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: do people get mad or or maybe blame you if

523
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: the hunting is not good, or if they're in the

524
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: wrong tree stand, or you know, hey, this guy killed

525
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: at camp and I haven't seen crap. What's the problem.

526
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: It happens way too much, you know, like we we

527
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: we got through it. I won't say on a weekly basis,

528
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: but it's it's probably every other week we get one

529
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: guy in camp that you know has issues, and you know,

530
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: we have the deer, the mature deer there, but it's hunting.

531
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go out and shoot a hundred and

532
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: fifty engineer every time you go out. If you did,

533
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: it wouldn't it wouldn't be as fun, It wouldn't mean

534
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: as much to you if you went out there and

535
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: shot a big deer every time you went out. So

536
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: it happens a lot. You you kind of deal with

537
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: it and you kind of let it go in one

538
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: ear and out the other. You know, you have to

539
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: right follow up question, who are the kind of people

540
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: that use an outfit or I I feel that if

541
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: I paid money to an outfitter, I am therefore expecting

542
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: more encounters with better quality dear. Is that is that

543
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: kind of a myth? Or is that more accurate? I mean,

544
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: that's that's what everybody's expecting, you know, But we do

545
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: all that we can the I mean, the most important

546
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: thing to me in the world when I'm guiding is

547
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: to put you on a deer, you know, and some

548
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: guys think that, you know, we're holding back or you know,

549
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: we're we're doing other stuff so that the opportunities are

550
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: the less. But my most important thing is to put

551
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: you on a deer. I'm not going to save a stand.

552
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: I may save a stand for a day or so

553
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: if the weather is going to be better in a

554
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: couple of days for a particular spot, I may save

555
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: a stand. But you know, I'm trying to put you

556
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: on deer, that's for sure. Do you ever have do

557
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: you ever approach you're hunting strategy for areas that are

558
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: going to be for the guided hunters differently than you

559
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: would approach strategy for yourself. You know, if you were

560
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: hunting a property completely just you versus you're setting up

561
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: a property or planning hunts and a plan for property

562
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: with other guys. How do those two things differ? Do

563
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: you have to I don't know. As I'm like kind

564
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: of thinking that this, I'm wondering if you have to

565
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: start making changes based on assumptions of different skill levels

566
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: or different abilities or anything like that. Yeah, I mean

567
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: we have to set some stands that are easier to

568
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: get into, you know, just it just has to happen.

569
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: Some of some of the places that I hunt you know,

570
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: there's the guys are going to do some of the

571
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: things that I would do UM typically to to get

572
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: into a place. You know. Some of the guys I

573
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: don't want to hike. Some guys don't want to be

574
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: in the stand, you know. So we have to we

575
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: have to set up some of the properties knowing that

576
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: we're going to have some guys that their abilities aren't

577
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the same as you know, mine or one of the

578
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: other guys that UM that I hunt with. You know,

579
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: so we definitely set up properties with that mine for sure.

580
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: And do you are most of your guided hunts happening

581
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: during the rut or is it all season? Now? We

582
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: we concentrate on the rut, I mean, we we hunt.

583
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: Everybody's idea of the rut is two weeks, and my

584
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: idea of the right is four weeks. And that's you know,

585
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: last week October, first three weeks in November. We hunt

586
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: those four weeks and then we do a little bit

587
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: of gun hunting and then we hunt that late muzzle

588
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: letter season and late muzzlotter in Ohio is the second

589
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: week of January. We're really only hunting about six weeks

590
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: out of year, so most of that time period now

591
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: is past, and you've been able to hunt, You've been

592
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: able to see, you know, or hear about hunts from

593
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: all these other guys have been hunting with you. What

594
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: would you say about the two sixteen rut? You know, what,

595
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: what have you heard? What have you seen? From a

596
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: quality standpoint? I don't know what. How would you view

597
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: this past route that just happened? I from what I've seen,

598
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, any any one time we're talking to myself

599
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: and the two brothers that run the outfitting company. We're

600
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,719
Speaker 1: talking to on a daily basis, thirty to fifty different guys,

601
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: whether it be phone calls or text messages, so we

602
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: get a pretty good idea of what's going on in

603
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: the white toil. Would you know, like every day we

604
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: see what's going on two thousand sixteen textbook came in.

605
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: We saw seeking, we saw chasing, we saw the rut.

606
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: We we got some lockdown. Um here, recently we've seen

607
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: some of these bigger bucks that you would not see

608
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: during lockdown. They've come off the dose and they're you know,

609
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: walking through the fields in the middle of the day.

610
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: So I think two thousand sixteen was pretty spot on

611
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: as far as textbook textbook rut goes. What about timing?

612
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: What what kind of time like as far as when

613
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: you saw that seeking and chasing starting, when did you

614
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: see lockdown? Did you is that like was it defined

615
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: enough that you could say, well, that first week was

616
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: really X, the second week was really why? Anything like that? Yeah,

617
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was a late rut. I

618
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: think there's still some deer out there that are running. So,

619
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, last week October, I think we're starting to

620
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: see some bigger get up moving around seeking. The first

621
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: week in November, we had a ton of chasing going on.

622
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Second week in November, I think there was some lockdown

623
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: going on the third week. You know, we still had

624
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: some lockdown, but the deer were coming off doors and

625
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: looking for other days because it was pretty pretty textbook.

626
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: What about warm weather because you guys had some warm

627
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: weather down there on that first week or so. Did

628
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: that impact things at all? It did it? You know,

629
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: it impacted um sightings from from our from our hunters

630
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: for sure. But you know, we we just kind of

631
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: played that and you know, we knew that that was

632
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: going on. Those deer as still doing doing their thing,

633
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: but they're just doing it at night. You know when

634
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: it's cool. But we had a cold front come through

635
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: that week that it was pretty warm. We had a

636
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: cold front come through Wednesday night Thursday morning, and after

637
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: that we put some guys in some spots they were

638
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: we were kind of waiting for that weather to come through,

639
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: and we had a guy kill for the nj A plant. Nice.

640
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: It worked out. Yeah, I mean when you get those

641
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: warm spells, I know, the guys are on a five

642
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: day hunt, you know, and they're wanting to hunt every minute.

643
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: But a lot of times there's times to just sleep in,

644
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, or not go out at all. If you

645
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: only have one or two places to hunt, if you

646
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: have one or two best tree stands that you like

647
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: to hunt, I think it's best to just stay out

648
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: there until it's right and then go in. And uh,

649
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: I think I think people have a lot better luck

650
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah. How do how do you determine? This

651
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: is back to an outfitting question. Let's say there's five

652
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: guys in camp. How do you determine who goes where?

653
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Because if let's say me and Mark were sharing a

654
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: camp together, we both both want to be in the

655
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: best possible stand after the biggest possible, most mature buck.

656
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: How how do you delegate who goes where? Well, that's

657
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: a tough one. I mean, obviously we got some issues

658
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: with who can hunt where, so everybody being equal. I

659
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: don't think that we pick and choose as far as

660
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: we will pick four tree stands and we'll just tell

661
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: guys to go. We don't. We try not to play favorites. Um,

662
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: but there's obviously if there's a guy that can't get

663
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: in a lock on, he's gonna get to a ladder stand. Um,

664
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: there's some of that goes on as far as you

665
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: know who we're gonna put on the biggest buck. I

666
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: don't think we play favorites. I think we pick our

667
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: stands and we kind of leave it up to our

668
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: hunters a little bit. You know, we'll say these are

669
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: the three stands. You guys can decide where you want

670
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: to go. We don't we don't show people pictures of hey,

671
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: this stand, we're seeing this buck. You know, we're try

672
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: not to do that. We'll just pick the stands that

673
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: we want our hunters to go to and then kind

674
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: of let the guys decide where they're going to go.

675
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Let them do get out. Yeah, you know it that

676
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: that takes the responsibility off of us. And you know

677
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: some some of the walks are longer, some of the stands.

678
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: We want you to if you're gonna go in and

679
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna take that hike, we want you to stay

680
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: there all day because of going in and going out,

681
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: you're making more disturbance than just staying in there all day.

682
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: So that that place part in you know, where these

683
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: guys are going and and who wants to who wants

684
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: to go where? You know? Yeah, that makes sense. So

685
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: speaking of you know, people going different spots and everything

686
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: that what were the spots or the tactic or whatever

687
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: that worked for you guys or your clients this year?

688
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Was there you know a couple of examples you can

689
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: share with us where people had successful hunts in you know,

690
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: a certain type of situation that you could describe for us. Yeah,

691
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: I would. I would say the main thing this year

692
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: was just hunting pressure period. I mean the one property

693
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: we have, one property is nine acres um and we

694
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: hunt quite a few guys, are fifteen eighteen guys throughout

695
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: the year we hunt there, but four deer were killed

696
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: on that property and one was missed. And out of

697
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: all of those deer. It was the first time in

698
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: the stand. So that being said, there was some of

699
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: the places that we'd hold you until later in the

700
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: week or until next week, not not purposely holding it back,

701
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: but knowing that you know, the weather was going to change,

702
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: or you know, we we got more hunters coming in

703
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: next week. You know, we gotta save some spots for

704
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: those guys. YadA, YadA. But the deer that were killed,

705
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: they were killed the first sit in the tree stands. Mhm. Yeah,

706
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: it seems to be such a consistent thing. Those those

707
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: first couple of sits are always almost the best. Yeah,

708
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: I was. We I mean, we had a few situations

709
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: that were pretty eye opening as far as pressure games

710
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: this year. I mean the I hate to keep bringing

711
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: up Matt's miss but Matt, Matt went to a standards

712
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: a couple of miles from the lodge. And we don't

713
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: run forwarders in the mornings. We don't do the a

714
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: TV thing. We if you're gonna hunt in the mornings,

715
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna lock to the stand we don't. We don't

716
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: start any vehicles, just trying to keep the noise down. Um,

717
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: so you know, Matt hyped into this one stand. It

718
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: was two miles we we hadn't hunted it at all.

719
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: But there's an adjacent outfitter that runs around on a

720
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: t v s and side by sides, taking hunters in

721
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: every morning, picking them up, dropping them back off. They

722
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: do that all the time. Well, we put Matt in

723
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: the stand based on their pressure. So we went to

724
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: an area that's close to where they hunt, but we

725
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: hadn't hunted, but their pressure um ultimately put the deer

726
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: in Matt's lap. So just the just the example is,

727
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: so Matt goes in there, he looks in there, he

728
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: sees this dere and she said he doesn't connect with

729
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: the deer. The deer spooks runs off. The next week

730
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: that outfit are killed that deer on their property. M

731
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: So we use their pressure to get Matt on the deer,

732
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: and then when Matt had his issue, the deer spooks

733
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: went back on their property. They killed it the next week. Wow,

734
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's just eye opening the how much the

735
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: pressure played a part in it. Now, down in that

736
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: part of the state, it's pretty hilly terrain, is that correct?

737
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: It's very hilly. Okay, So what kind of like I mean,

738
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: are you hunting a lot of like terrain funnels, Like,

739
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: is this a lot of like ridge hunting or finding

740
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: saddles and things like that. What type of like rut

741
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: spot do you guys really focus on down there? Yeah,

742
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: it's definitely hilly terrain. We definitely hunt saddles. Um, I

743
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: like to hunt the tops of like draws, like when

744
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna walk around a steep draw. We definitely used

745
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: the terrain down in there. The property that we're hunting

746
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: most of the time, it has about a hundred acres

747
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: of a field. But if we're going into the woods,

748
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: we're definitely hunting in a saddle or top of a drawl.

749
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: Some kind of terrain features is definitely what we're hunting. Okay, okay,

750
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: now what about your rut? How did you do? I

751
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: did pretty well. I mean I I actually shot two

752
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: deer this year. Um, the first one I didn't find

753
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: and a couple of days later he was back at

754
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: the feeders, so he's okay, which was good. But I

755
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: actually had two opportunities to shoot. So I hunted five

756
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: sits this year, five times in the tree stand and

757
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: the first time I hunted the property that I hunted

758
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: actually get it to hunt. That's kind of personal payment

759
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: for the guiding that I do. The first time I

760
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: sat in atreet stand there I shot, and then I

761
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: hunted a couple more times, and then um, I hunted

762
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: another property first time in that standard shot killed. So

763
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: I had I had a really good year, but I

764
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: didn't get to hunt that much, only hunted five sits.

765
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: I like to hunt more than that. But yeah, you

766
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: can make it. Yeah, I guess. So if it's that

767
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: percentage of shot opportunities two out of five sits, that's

768
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah. Can can you describe those two hunts

769
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: in the situations. I'm always curious, you know, when all

770
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: the things come together, I always want to know, Okay,

771
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: what was the situation that led to that shot? Can

772
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: you describe those two scenarios? You know what, you know,

773
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: what that set up was, like, why you chose to

774
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 1: be there, et cetera. Yeah, both spots I chose because

775
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the you know, first time in obviously, um both places

776
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: our big woods type country. It's it's big timber um.

777
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: But I keep feeders in there and I keep him

778
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: going for a couple of months before the sea in

779
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: um with corn just to concentrate does and both situations

780
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: the first one, you know, a D fifty Summits six

781
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: year old came in. He actually came to the feeder,

782
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: and um, I always hunt probably sixty seventy yards away

783
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: from the feeders. I don't hunt right over the feeders.

784
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: I just like to try and catch them coming in.

785
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: But he came in and I watched him for ten minutes,

786
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: and then some does came in from behind me and

787
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: milled up to the feeder. And once he saw the does,

788
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: it was still pretty early, so he wasn't really pushing

789
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: them around as much as he was just kind of curious,

790
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: and you know, he came down, pushed the dose around

791
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, came over to me. Um made a rob.

792
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: I shot him. I shot him at eighteen yards. It

793
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: was a super steep angle. I was probably on the

794
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: tree and he was downhill another fifteen ft and uh,

795
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: I shot, and I shot low. You know, typically these

796
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: bucks will will drop down when you shoot, so I

797
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: did him pretty low and he didn't drop and shot

798
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: him right in the armpit. And Dennis and I looked

799
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: for him the next day and we both decided that

800
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't dead. We tracked four yards and then

801
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: the blood stopped there wasn't much blood, and you know,

802
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: five or six days later he was back at the feeder.

803
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: So that one went pretty well. Um, pretty much the

804
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: same situation. On the second one, deer came into um

805
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: to the feeder, bumps and does around. Um, it was

806
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: a deer. I was kind of on the fence whether

807
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: or not I was gonna shoot. I had trail camp

808
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: pictures of him, so I got a little bit of

809
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: video of him before I shot him with my cell phone.

810
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: And then as I looked over, you know, looked at

811
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: him over and over, I decided that he was probably

812
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: gonna be good enough. So I shot him at thirty yards,

813
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: another steep angle, and I actually hit that deer in

814
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: about the same exact place as I hit the first year.

815
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: But because the less less of an angle, he wan't

816
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: put the yards and piled up just you want to see.

817
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the podcast, you talked a little

818
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: bit about shooting. Um. You know, mature maturity is the

819
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: first reason why why you kill a deer, and then

820
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: maybe uh antler size is kind of an afterthought, but

821
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, you probably wouldn't shoot a hundred and twenty

822
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: class five year old if that makes sense, Um, how

823
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: do you how did you know? I mean, are you

824
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: run in trail cameras on the on this property all

825
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: year long in order to know what exactly is happening

826
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: on this have you? Did you go into this property

827
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: before you hunted it to check trail cameras or did

828
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: you just leave it alone and then go in there

829
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: the first hunt in the first couple of hunts to

830
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: have success. Um, I run trail cameras probably from July.

831
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: I started trail cameras in July on these feeders. I

832
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: don't really run trail cameras um anywhere else on the properties,

833
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: just kind of on the feeders, and that way I

834
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: kind of get an idea of what's on the property.

835
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily use the trail cameras for strategy as

836
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: much as just seeing the age class of the deer.

837
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I had both here on trail camera that I shot,

838
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: so I knew that they were you know, the one

839
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 1: deer that I shot was definitely a six year old.

840
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: Um we got. I got a friend that's got hunts

841
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: in adjacent property. He's had the deer on camera for

842
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: three years. I've had it on camera for a couple

843
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: of years, so I knew what that deer was. Um,

844
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: the second dear that I shot, I didn't have him

845
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: last year on trail camera, but I had him this year,

846
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: and I had quite a bit of quite a few

847
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: pictures of him, So I was assuming that he was

848
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: four or five years old. So he was He was

849
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: right on the fence for me whether I want to

850
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: shoot him or not. Um. But yeah, you know, I

851
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: decided to shoot obviously. But yeah, I tried to use

852
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: the trail cameras just to decide on age, just to

853
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: get that age structure gong. Now, speaking of mature bucks,

854
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: one of the common knocks that I hear on using

855
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: a feeder or bait or something like that is that, yeah,

856
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: it's great for bringing in deer, you know, does and

857
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 1: young bucks, but it's hard to kill him in sure

858
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: buck around that or near that. Um, So how come

859
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: you were able to be successful with that? Was it? Was?

860
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: It just a pressure thing. It's a pressure thing that

861
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: The one thing that I try to do is if

862
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: I'm going in there to check my trail camera, I'm

863
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: taking in some kind of reward for my scent being

864
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: in there, whether it's I'm filling up the trail camera

865
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean filling up the feeder or I'm gonna put

866
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: out some kind of mineral or something like that right

867
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: there at that camera. If I go in there, I'm

868
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: leaving some kind of reward for my scent being in there.

869
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: And then once I get, you know, a deer on

870
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: the camera that I know that I would shoot, I

871
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: just stay out of there until until the weather's right.

872
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: And what's the weather that you key in on. I

873
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: love to hunt right after right after cold front, like

874
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: when that when the pressure is rising. I think a

875
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: couple of days after a good cold front, I don't

876
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: think you can beat it. Yeah, I wish we had.

877
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: I feel like this year we had a lot of

878
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: those like little miniquals, at least for me here in

879
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: southern Michigan, we had a lot of these little mini

880
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: cold friends that came through, like almost every weekend we

881
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: get one of those. But then there was a long

882
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: stretch of like monotony in late October through early November,

883
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: UM where I was just dying for one of those

884
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: big fronts to hit, and we didn't get it until

885
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: until I don't know if it was like the eighth

886
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: of November somewhere around there, But that really can make

887
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: or break the action a lot of times. Absolutely, I'm

888
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: a firm believer in for sure. I mean even the

889
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: little cold fronts, just the little ones. If we get

890
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: a little bit of rain, just just enough, you know,

891
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: just to change that pressure a little bit, I think

892
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: it makes a huge difference. I mean, the deer are

893
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: going to move, you know, they got to eat, um,

894
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: And then you just saved the days your best spots

895
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: for when you get a little bit of change. Yeah. Now,

896
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: all of these hunts we've been talking about, both you

897
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: and your your hunters have been private land, right, um.

898
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: But I know you've also done a good bit of

899
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: public land hunting um and have had success to um. Right,

900
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: I believe if I'm wrong, but I think you killed

901
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: the two on public land, Isn't that right? I did? Yeah?

902
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: Can you tell us about how you did that? It

903
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: was just you know maps, You know that I killed

904
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: that one back in two thousand twelve. Um, that was

905
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: just when I started using maps on the cell phone.

906
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: But I've always had you know, fifty or sixty Papa

907
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: maps that I would find the places on public land

908
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 1: that I figured nobody else would go to, and I

909
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: would just hike in and hunt, you know, a mile

910
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: two miles back in the woods and kind of use

911
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: other people's pressure. I mean, there's there's one thing that

912
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: I've I've said a couple of times this year, and

913
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: I've been saying it for years, but it's kind of

914
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: like going in the back door. Like if if you

915
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: can hike in two miles and hunt in the mornings

916
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: over a cornfield that's on um or private land, but

917
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: you're hunting state land, so you know that where the

918
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: deer of feeding, but you can hike in two miles

919
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: and come in the back door to catch them coming

920
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: back into state land where most people wouldn't do that.

921
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: So and then you know, I used the I don't

922
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: know the deer there. I didn't know that deer was there.

923
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: But I'm hunting a place that's unpressured, and I'm hunting

924
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: the terrain of the terrain of the land in in

925
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: what terrain or what on the maps were you specifically

926
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: looking for, I guess, I mean, I understand that you

927
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: were looking for spots to get away from you, far

928
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: away from other access points, but where you I mean,

929
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: when you were looking in the situation, was that like, Okay,

930
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: this ridge looks like there might be somethingbedded here, or

931
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: this spot looks like a spot they travel through. I'm

932
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: always curious because, at least for me, reading maps is

933
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: always like that really fascinating part of that. You can

934
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: almost predict exact actually where deer will go based on

935
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: these maps. Sometimes, Um, I'm curious if you went, if

936
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: you go to that detail, or if you're just trying

937
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: to get away from people. No, I definitely, that's that's

938
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a saddle. I'd

939
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: love to hunt a place where there's a big long ridge,

940
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: there's a saddle, and the saddle usually is there because

941
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: there's two draws on each side of that ridge that

942
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: meet in that saddle, So you hunt either side of

943
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: that ridge and you hunt the head of that draw

944
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: in that saddle. So you've got kind of like two

945
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: terrain features working together there. And that's how I hunted

946
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: Stallion for years. I just hunt those saddles and heads

947
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: of big deep draws. So tell us about that, tell

948
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: us about that deer coming in. What were you thinking

949
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: when you would hiked two miles back or whatever and

950
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: then that thing shows up, So that deer mark I

951
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: hiked in. I got in there just a little late.

952
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: It was already starting to crack daylight, and I had

953
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: my climber. I climb up in the tree. I get

954
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: everything situated. I pulled out my phone to text my

955
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: wife to tell her that I'm safe in the tree.

956
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: And before I could get done texting, I look up

957
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: and he was probably forty or fifty yards by the

958
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: time I got locked on my string. He's a twenty yards.

959
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: I stopped him and shot him. I mean it happened.

960
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: I was in my hand for literally twenty minutes. That's amazing. Yeah,

961
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: when I shot the deer, it's a good deer, obviously

962
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: it scores well. Um. But when I shot the deer,

963
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: I thought I was looking at a hundred sixty d

964
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: sixty ten point, which is a great deer. But you know,

965
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: it's not two hundreds deer um. But when I got

966
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: down went over to look at him, he had all

967
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: these uh sticker points around his basis. But there was

968
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: there was two points that came off the back there

969
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: were six inches long, and then you know he had

970
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: a total of twenty four points thirty four inches of

971
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: of non typical points. So I thought I was shooting

972
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: a d sixty five inch here, and I shouted to

973
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: nur four inch here. Jeez, wow, that would be a

974
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: nice surprise to walk up on. It was pretty nice. Yeah,

975
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: I called my dad. The story goes, I called my dad.

976
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: Tell my dad I shot another big one And he said,

977
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: you know how many points is he? And I said,

978
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't counting yet. So I started counting.

979
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: I get to twelve and my dad says, wow, great,

980
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, great deer twelve point And I said that

981
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: it's on one side. Yeah, it was. It was pretty

982
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: It was pretty neat day, and you know I was.

983
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: I was in there by myself and had a climbing

984
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: tree stambo and backpack. And now I got a turn

985
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: in his dear land on the ground and I have

986
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: to drag out by myself. That's the down part of

987
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: hiking in there two miles is once you shoot him,

988
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: you gotta get him out. Yeah. Did you have any

989
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: trick for getting him out without breaking your back? No? No,

990
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: I pretty much broke my back. You know. I tied him,

991
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: used my lanyard for my safety harness, tied him to

992
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: my belt and started hiking. Wow. Well, I'm taking me

993
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: four hours of get him out, yis. I'm sure it

994
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: was worth it though, right, it was worth every drop

995
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: of sweat. Now, speaking of two bucks, that wasn't your

996
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: first one, right, Yeah? I killed uh, I killed a

997
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: nice typical, real nice typical back in two thousand seven.

998
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: That's that's what I'm proud of that, the one you

999
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: know that we just talked about, that was on state land,

1000
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: which I'm proud of that. But like I said, he's

1001
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: a pretty much the the typical I killed. He grosses

1002
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: out exactly the same as the non typical day both

1003
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: they both gross two or four and four eights, which

1004
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: is crazy, um one fourteen points on points. But the typical.

1005
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: To look at him on the wall, I mean it's

1006
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: it's frame is hundred nine in frame. I mean, he's gigantic.

1007
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: So what was the store on that one? How did

1008
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: that happened? That was a private land, you know. I

1009
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: had a buddy asked me come down and hunt with him,

1010
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: went down there and hunted. Didn't have trailcramers of him,

1011
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: you know. And this was this was in Brown County,

1012
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: which is flat you know, mostly cornfield, small patches woods,

1013
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: and he came in on a dough and uh pretty

1014
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: much walked out of my life. And then I saw

1015
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: him and the doe come out in the field at

1016
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: about seventy yards and for whatever reason, that dough came

1017
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: back to me and right on her tail was him,

1018
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: and I ended up shooting him at thirty four yards.

1019
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: He was he's a big one. He's he's one I'm

1020
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: proud of. Yeah, I imagine. I know that there's those

1021
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 1: deer that those it's the frame sometimes when you see

1022
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: that frame, like for me, like when I you know,

1023
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: for me, if there's a buck that's over a in

1024
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: that frame, you see a buck pick up his head

1025
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: or you see that picture and you're just like, oh, booner.

1026
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: When you see that just kind of takes your breath away.

1027
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: There's like there's definitely a difference between like that hundred

1028
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: fifty like, oh, that's an awesome buck, and then when

1029
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: you see one of those next level bucks, were just like,

1030
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah. The crazy thing is when when you shoot

1031
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: a buck like that, you know that deer I was

1032
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: thinking when I saw him, But when you get him

1033
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: on the ground, the big ones they get bigger, The

1034
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: small ones they get smaller. The big ones, I mean,

1035
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: they just get bigger when when we picked up the

1036
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: head on that deer, I can't believe when I shot man.

1037
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm to this point. I've only ever had the ones

1038
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: that I walk up on and they get smaller. So

1039
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for one of the bigger ones on these days.

1040
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: It's coming. Mark hanging there. Yeah, I'm gonna keep on

1041
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: keeping on. Um. Yeah, that's awesome though, speaking kind of

1042
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: taking a step back there a second, What is you know,

1043
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: going back to that initial conversation, what are you looking

1044
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: for every year? What is do you have a goal?

1045
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Is it a four year old? Is it a five

1046
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: year old? Uh? Is it you know one forty one

1047
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: fifty booner status or up? I wish I could say

1048
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: it was booner status or up. But it's not like

1049
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: I want to shoot a five year old or older.

1050
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: That's my goal, you know, Like this year, I honestly

1051
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: believe the deer that shot to four year old. UM,

1052
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: so I want to shoot a five year old and

1053
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to see somewhere around a Now next year

1054
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: it will be a h bigger you know. It Just

1055
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: that's just way it is. This this year, I hadn't

1056
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: shot a deer in three years, you know, So I'm

1057
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: okay with holding out and and tag soup. I'm pretty

1058
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: familiar with the way it tastes, so I'm okay with that.

1059
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: But you know, after sitting in a three for three years,

1060
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: it was time for me to shoot something. So next

1061
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: year it will be a big one or nothing. And

1062
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: then then my standards start going down every year after

1063
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: So so next year when you say it's you know,

1064
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: it's gotta be a it's gonna be a peg. Um

1065
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: if would you ever shoot? I mean because it sounds

1066
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: to me like you have access to the same pieces

1067
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: of property year after year after year. Um. And I

1068
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: know me and Mark talked a little bit about this,

1069
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: but a hundred and seventy three year old comes through.

1070
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: Are you shooting that or are you letting it, letting

1071
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: him go to potentially get a crack out in the

1072
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, it depends on the property. I mean,

1073
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: if I know that I'm gonna be hunting that property

1074
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: next year and it's a sizeable piece of ground, I

1075
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: mean there's some properties that we hunt our you know,

1076
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: sevent So it depends on the size of the property.

1077
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: It depends on if you know I'll have access to

1078
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: that property next year. So there's a bunch of variables.

1079
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: I guess, um, I would hate to shoot a seventy

1080
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: three year old. I can't say that I wouldn't because

1081
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: I arned seventies. But you know, it just depends. I guess. Yeah,

1082
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: what about you? Dan is pretty big. I can't remember, Dan,

1083
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: what you would do? What you've told me? What would

1084
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: you you kidding me? I mean even as a three

1085
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: year old. You know, I talk a lot about mature

1086
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, trying to shoot a mature buck. I have

1087
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: yet to see a hundred seventy three year old in

1088
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: my life. But if a hundred and seventy in or

1089
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: came through, I don't know if I could focus on

1090
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: his body, you know what I mean? Like, it's that's

1091
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: a big, big buck. What about you? Yeah? Yeah, I

1092
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: have to shoot him, even though it goes against everything

1093
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: we say, because you know, I don't know for me. Right.

1094
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: Part of the reason why I like to target mature

1095
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: bucks is because they're older, smarter, bigger body, and et cetera.

1096
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: Like those are the toughest bucks to hunt, right, because

1097
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: a big part of it is a challenge. But another

1098
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: part of it is because those types of bucks are

1099
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: the most rare. You know, an old buck is the

1100
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: most rare. They are the fewest of those out there,

1101
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: but the same thing goes for a hundred seventy in buck,

1102
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: whether the three or five, that's still incredibly, incredibly rare.

1103
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: Um So there's something extra special about seeing an animal

1104
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: like that, having encounter with an animal like that, and

1105
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: then having the chance to kill one. Um. So, yeah,

1106
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: he's you know, if it's the situation where you can

1107
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: control property, blah blah blahlah blah, and you know he'll

1108
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: make it another year. I understand why guys might want

1109
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: to do that, But for the hunters out there, that's

1110
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime buck. Probably would be for

1111
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: me to um So, that's a pretty special cool thing.

1112
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: So I'd be letting that air fly. Hey Donny, what

1113
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: about um you you've killed two hundred inches and you've

1114
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: killed uh one, you know one. How many deer have

1115
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: you killed in between that? Two hundred and one fifty

1116
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: range seven eight something like that? Okay, so not a ton,

1117
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, but once, like the big one I killed

1118
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: in two thousand seven, it pretty much changed the way

1119
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: I hunted. You know, I killed a big one, So

1120
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 1: then I was stuck on shooting a five year old

1121
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: or bigger you know, So just like Mark said, they're rare.

1122
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: You know, five year old deer is rare. They're they're

1123
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: hard to come by, and they're and they're smart. You know,

1124
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: it's it's not easy even if they scored one thirty.

1125
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: If they're five years old, you know, they're they're tough

1126
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: to kill. There's there's smart critters, that's for sure. So

1127
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, once I killed a big one, then I

1128
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: was stuck on that and I just wouldn't shoot anything

1129
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: small or young. So you know, they're not out behind

1130
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: every tree. So I didn't kill that many, got you, Well,

1131
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: that's I wouldn't say that's not many for most people.

1132
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: That that's a whole little big deer. So, um, so

1133
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm still working to catch up with you Downey, that's

1134
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: for certain. Um Yeah, I've lost some deer, you know,

1135
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: so I think there's at least one other booner that

1136
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, I lost I shot and didn't find, you

1137
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: know how, like I probably lost three or four deer

1138
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: they were so, I mean, I haven't had the best

1139
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: luck finding deer. I don't know if it's because i'm

1140
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: a poor shot or bad tracker or what it is.

1141
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: But you know I've lost some. Yeah, that's that's the worst.

1142
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: That's very I've been there, done that, Yeah exactly. I mean,

1143
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: you live and learn. Though. You know, my daughter killed

1144
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: she killed a nice buck this year. It's probably in

1145
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: the one forties, six year old um and we started

1146
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: tracking it. She shot up with a muzzle loader. We

1147
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: tracked about seventy yards on good blood, you know, really

1148
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: good blood. But once I went to seventy yards, I

1149
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: was just getting Auntie about going after this deer if

1150
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: it's layd there, you know, beded up and shotting one long.

1151
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't sure on the shot, I was

1152
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: pretty sure, but you know, so we backed out and

1153
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: I went back the next day and it was I

1154
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: took ten more steps from where I stopped and looked

1155
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: at my right and it was land there. So you know,

1156
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: the deer that I've lost, and I've seen clients lose,

1157
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been around a lot a lot

1158
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: more these days, so anymore, I just back out, like

1159
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think you know, this goes

1160
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: sound crazy for me to say, but I don't think

1161
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: I'll lose any more. Dear that that I put a

1162
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: lethal shot on because I'm not going to push them. Yeah,

1163
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: like I have the patience to wait and go back

1164
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: the next day. It's almost always better to be safe

1165
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: than sorry. It is. I can't I can't even say

1166
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: how much. It is. Like they're gonna bed down within

1167
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: a hundred to two hundred yards if they're if they're

1168
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: legally shot, they're gonna bed down within a couple hundred yards.

1169
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: And when you back out and you go back in,

1170
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, even the next day, you're probably gonna find

1171
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: them within two hundred yards they'll bed down. So just

1172
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: makes for a lot better next day than you know,

1173
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: not find them at all. Yeah, I don't think I

1174
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: don't think I ever point this out in previous episodes,

1175
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: even to you, Dan, Um, But the buck I shot

1176
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 1: in Ohio this year, Um, you know when I shot

1177
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: at when I looked at the footage, like the shot

1178
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: was back, but I thought a liver shop. Um, so

1179
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: I figured, you know, a little, a very a very

1180
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: small part of me was like, oh give him, you know,

1181
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: four or five hours and he'll be dead. But you know,

1182
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: I played it safe. I decided to wait till the

1183
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: next morning. Well, I went back the next morning, so

1184
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: I shot him, and I don't know, it was probably

1185
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: five pm in the evening when I had shot him.

1186
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: I went back in there and probably it was I

1187
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly, but probably seven thirty or eight o'clock

1188
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: in the morning the next morning when I finally got

1189
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: in there. And um, when I found him, he was

1190
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: probably a hundred hundred fifty yards away, laying down and

1191
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: he was he was dead, um, but he had not

1192
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: been dead for long, like, he was still warm, he

1193
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: was not rigid at all. Um. So I think if

1194
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 1: I had went any earlier, maybe even a couple of

1195
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: hours earlier, that buck still would have could have ran off.

1196
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: I could have pushed that buck and maybe never would

1197
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: have found him. Um. So I mean it was so

1198
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: important that I waited to let that buck go overnight.

1199
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: And you know, I worried, you know, my I think

1200
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: everyone's word is you know, you worry about coyotes or

1201
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: some type of predator getting that meat and ruining that deer.

1202
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,479
Speaker 1: And that is obviously you obviously don't want that to happen.

1203
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: You want to have that meat. Um, But you know,

1204
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: zero meat is a lot worse than se of the

1205
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: meat or fifty percent or whatever it might be. UM.

1206
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: So that was just another big reminder for me that

1207
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: even though I thought for sure that deer would be

1208
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: dead in you know, eight hours or ten hours, it

1209
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: was over twelve hours and he was still you know,

1210
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: just barely had had ended. So that was that was

1211
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: another eye opener for me. Yeah, dear can doesn't live

1212
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: a long time. One one long liver. You know, they

1213
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: can lives, you know, you can take a while. I

1214
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: got a random question for you, Donnie. Have you ever

1215
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: I feel like all of your questions are Dan. I know,

1216
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm in my own world. But Donnie,

1217
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: you have you ever had a buck that maybe you

1218
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: were obsessed with and you were going after and going

1219
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: after and going after, but never were able to seal

1220
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: the deal and he either just you know, disappeared into

1221
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: time or he was harvested by another hunter. No, I

1222
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: I just don't limit myself. You know, there's deer out

1223
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: there that are big deer, but there's other big deer

1224
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: out there. So I'm not going to limit myself to

1225
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: one deer. I'm just this way I am. I'm more

1226
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: than likely one dear, you're probably not going to kill

1227
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: him more than likely. I mean, so you know I'll

1228
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: get after one, dear. But you know, if I if

1229
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: I hunted deer two or three times close to his bedroom,

1230
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go look for another deer because there's a

1231
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: good chance he's already he's already won the game. And

1232
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: there they're smart critters. You go in there and every

1233
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: time you go in the woods, you eve sent you know,

1234
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: and gosh, they just pick up on that so so

1235
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: well and they're gone. You know, they're tough critters to kill. Yeah,

1236
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: that's probably smart. You're you're an equal opportunity killer. You

1237
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: don't get stuck on anything. I unfortunately have made the

1238
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: mistake of becoming obsessed with a single buck, much to

1239
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: my chagrin this year, and he's haunting me still. But

1240
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: that's how it goes. And like you said, it's if

1241
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: I had two or thirty incheer or something like that,

1242
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: something that was crazy big, then you know that might

1243
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: be different. But I've never had that. Yeah. Yeah, it's

1244
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: a challenge, no doubt of all that. Um So, speaking

1245
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: of my challenge, is I'm still trying to kill this

1246
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: one specific buck I've been after all year. I've hunted

1247
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: him in the early season, I've hunted him through the

1248
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: October law, I've hunted him through the rut. Now it's

1249
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: the late season. You know we're getting into December or

1250
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: shifting to those late season tactics. I'm curious to hear,

1251
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: Donnie for you, what what kind of shift does that

1252
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: bring for you when it comes to your strategy. I mean,

1253
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard it before. Food. You know, they're

1254
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna come off those days and they're gonna go

1255
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: to food. Um. I wouldn't hunt in the morning. I

1256
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't even I'd sleep in the morning and I'd hunt

1257
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 1: food sources. And I would only hunt those food sources

1258
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: on the best days. I know we run out of time,

1259
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: but I think you can mess up a place quicker

1260
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: by over hunting it than you can by, you know,

1261
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 1: hunting a day here day there, on the best days

1262
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: when those deer probably gonna be up moving. So I

1263
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't hunt back in the woods. I'd hunt field edges,

1264
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, maybe thirty yards back into the woods, fifty

1265
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: yards back in the woods. Um, but I wouldn't try

1266
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: and catch them in going to their beds. I just

1267
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: hunt food sources. What is it, I'm sorry, Is it

1268
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,879
Speaker 1: easier to hunt in a state like Ohio that allows

1269
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: you to have feeders? You know, when that you know,

1270
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: during that late season time period? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I

1271
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: mean any time you can bait. I mean, I know

1272
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like baiting, but it is

1273
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: legal here. And jeez, when it gets cold out you

1274
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: can bait. Man. I think it's probably the easiest time

1275
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: to shoot a big one. And the ruds fun, you know,

1276
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: because they're running around, but when it gets cold, they

1277
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: gotta eat. And you know, states you can bait in.

1278
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's I won't say it's a slam dunk,

1279
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: but not going to come in to eat. Yeah, especially

1280
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: if you pair that with low pressure, if you stay

1281
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: out of there. Um, the trick I guess is how

1282
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: do you get in bait without putting pressure on deer?

1283
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: But I suppose you can do that with a vehicle

1284
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: or something like that. They're not you know, associating that

1285
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: with human contact as much. Um, what about natural Like

1286
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: I said that before, Mark was you know, if you

1287
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: go in there, you're leaving food, you know, so it's

1288
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 1: almost a reward for this deer to smell your scent

1289
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of conditioning. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Last year.

1290
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: Last year there was a form that was dumping corn

1291
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: on the ground, and you know, I'd pull in the

1292
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: barnyard to dump the corn the hud yards behind the

1293
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 1: barn and the doze. By the time I got back

1294
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: to the stand, I drive down the road quarter mile

1295
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: and walked back up getting the stand, there was already

1296
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: dope eating the corn. And they'd watched me climb into

1297
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: my tree stand and before I get my bow up,

1298
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: they were eating corn again. And they knew what I

1299
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: was doing, you know, they they knew that Donny was

1300
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,839
Speaker 1: bringing food. It's interesting how quickly dear Kenny become conditioned

1301
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: to things, whether it be conditioned to your scent as

1302
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 1: a negative indicator of danger or as you know, something

1303
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: brings something positive and then you sneak attack them with

1304
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:17,919
Speaker 1: the danger. But yeah, you know, I think it's definitely doable.

1305
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: Is you know, when you when you come in there

1306
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 1: and you leave sent if you're bringing food, they'll associate

1307
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: you're saying with food. You know that they absolutely will,

1308
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: and annoys it you make when you bring it in.

1309
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: And I mean I've been bear hunting and when they're

1310
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: dropping bait in the barrels, they're banging on the barrel

1311
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: to let the bears know that they just brought food. Right. Well,

1312
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: it's interesting you talked about this because we've had two

1313
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: other people on the podcast in the past couple of

1314
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: years that do something kind of similar. Um. You know,

1315
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: Lee Lakowski. He's got a situation where he has properties

1316
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: that he controls, of course, and their managed, um, but

1317
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: he makes a point to go into all of his

1318
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 1: spots and check those cameras and check the feeders and

1319
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: stuff weekly here on some type of consistent basis so

1320
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: that the deer again become conditioned. And he does that

1321
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 1: all year round before the season, during the season, after

1322
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: the season, he does it all the time. So it's

1323
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: just part of the natural routine for deer around there. Um.

1324
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: So that works in a situation like that where it's

1325
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, heavily manage big properties. But at the same time,

1326
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,799
Speaker 1: then we talked to a guy here in Michigan, Tony Hansen,

1327
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: who hunts very pressured areas, so lots and lots of

1328
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: other hunters and he's hunting a small property, um, and

1329
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: he does something similar. He takes his four wheeler in

1330
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: every week or so. I can't remember what the cadence was,

1331
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: but again he consistently always took his a TV in

1332
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: there and checked the cameras or put the stuff in

1333
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: front of cameras or whatever it was he was doing.

1334
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: But again he did the same things that they became

1335
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: conditioned to that a TV coming in, and they didn't

1336
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: mind him coming in to check the cameras, to get

1337
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: the intel and stuff. So I think one thing, you know,

1338
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: we always obsess about pressure. You might, I guess in

1339
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: the more I'm learnings, you've gotta figure out how to

1340
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: differentiate your pressure or apply some type of pressure, but

1341
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: in a consistent enough basis that deer becomes so you're

1342
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: used to it um while knowing what kind of intrusion

1343
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,440
Speaker 1: deer will tolerate, what kind of intrusion deer will not tolerate.

1344
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: I guess it's maybe the big picture thing, right absolutely.

1345
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're when you're bringing something in, you're

1346
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: leaving scent there, but it's not the same scent as

1347
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: you're sitting in a tree stand, you know, forty yards away.

1348
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: That's that's a negative pressure bringing in foods. Positive pressure

1349
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, very true. Um, what about natural food

1350
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: sources or you know, non bait food sources. Do you

1351
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: key in on any different type of food source based

1352
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: on weather or factors? I know some guys you know,

1353
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: hunting grain type food sources with certain types of weather

1354
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: and then hunt food plot stuff like Braskas and things

1355
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: on other types of temperatures. Do you pay attention to

1356
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: anything like that? No, But we can bait, you know,

1357
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean we we definitely got some green fields. What

1358
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: seems like, when you know it's warm, they are going

1359
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: to be in some green fields. But when it gets

1360
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: cold out he has some corn on the ground, you know,

1361
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: and they're coming. So I guess, like I said, when

1362
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: it's warm, you go to some green and when it's cold,

1363
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, you get to your corn pile. Which sounds horrible,

1364
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: but you know it's it's true. I mean, it's true.

1365
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: Well hey, I mean, like you said, not everybody hunts

1366
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: that way. Now everybody likes hunt that way, but plenty

1367
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: of people do. And and really, like you said, it's legal,

1368
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: and it's a it's one more tactic that you can try. Um. Yeah,

1369
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 1: And the other good thing about it, Mark is you

1370
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: can be really selective on you know what you're gonna shoot.

1371
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: You know what that deer is. He's coming, He's coming

1372
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: to that corn. You've got a hundred pictures of him.

1373
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 1: You know that that that deer is probably five or

1374
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: six years old. You know probably what he scores. You

1375
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: can be really selective on what you're shooting over a

1376
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: corn pile as opposed to a deer runs out into

1377
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: a field. We've got a big ac he's got a

1378
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 1: hundred fifty in rack, but his rack makes him look

1379
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: his body makes his rack look even bigger. So you

1380
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: think you're shooting a hundred seventy inch dear, but you're

1381
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: shooting a hundred and fifty inch three year old because

1382
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: his rack makes him look bigger. So you know, you

1383
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: can you can kind of be more selective on when

1384
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: you're baiting. Scene goes with bear hunting. You know you

1385
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: you're not shooting salves, he's shooting boars. You can be

1386
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: more selective on when you're shooting. So I think there

1387
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: is some positive sides to bating. You know, a lot

1388
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: of people don't like it, but there are definitely some

1389
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: positive sides to it. And when I'm hunting corn piles,

1390
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: or or feeders or stuff like that. You know, I

1391
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: don't necessarily hunt right over that. I would rather try

1392
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:52,679
Speaker 1: to catch deer coming into those areas, like a buck.

1393
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: I think a buck it's probably gonna circle down wind

1394
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: four year fifty yard maybe even seventy five yards to

1395
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 1: win that area before he comes in. So I like

1396
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: to have my tree stands fifty six seventy yards away

1397
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: from wherever I'm baiting, or a fear or anything like that,

1398
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: I'd rather be away from it. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, Now,

1399
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: what about a situation like that when you're hunting it

1400
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: in the late season in the evening, how do you

1401
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: whether I guess whether it's a feeder or it's a field,

1402
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: Either way you're hunting a food source one way or

1403
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: the other. How do you get out of there in

1404
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: the evening without educating those deer because they're feeding there,

1405
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: either in the field or the corn pile or whatever

1406
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: it is. What's your take on that? Okay, Well, if

1407
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: we're hunting a property where I have somebody that can

1408
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: come and pick me up, for instance, you know we

1409
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: were I don't mind a bump deer off a field

1410
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: with a truck or a fowl in the evenings. I'd

1411
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 1: rather bump them off the field with that and then

1412
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 1: climb down, as opposed to me getting out and walking

1413
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: out as a predator. Um. If I'm hunting back in

1414
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: the woods where somebody can't pick me up, I keep

1415
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: a coyote holler in my backpack, and if I need

1416
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: to get down, I'll blow a coyote holler and the

1417
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: deer scatter, and then I get down and walk out. Nice. Yeah,

1418
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: I should probably bring in a coyote holler instead of

1419
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: me just trying to make a bunch of barking and

1420
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: yipping noises in the tree like I do, because I

1421
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: sound like a Yeah it is funny, um, because like

1422
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: it does work. And lots of times I've had, especially

1423
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 1: in Iowa. I don't know if you've seen this, dand,

1424
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: but I've had lots of times success howling like that

1425
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: and spooking the deer and then getting all sorts of

1426
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: coyotes around me riled up and howling to um makes

1427
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: for an interesting, little engaging talking encounter with coyotes. Yeah,

1428
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: and a nice interesting walk out. Yeah that too. You

1429
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna do anything, but you know, you

1430
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: never know. It's kind of it's always already here picking

1431
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: kaya town within a yards of you. That's true. I

1432
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: remember one time, mom, I was hunting up in our

1433
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: northern Michigan property and I was young. I was like

1434
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: twelve or fifteen or something like that by myself, and um,

1435
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's just deep dark northern Michigan swamp, so

1436
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: it's just kind of scary already when you're twelve or

1437
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: thirteen or whatever that was. And then I remember just

1438
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: sitting there and it was the last light and I'm

1439
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: just getting ready to go. And previous to this point,

1440
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: there hadn't been coyotes around that area, but now they

1441
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: just moved in. And this is like the first time

1442
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 1: I've ever heard them howl, because one just picked up howling.

1443
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: It sounded right next to me, to my left, and

1444
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: then another one like it sounded like fifty yards farther

1445
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: to the west, and then another one, and then another one,

1446
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: then another one. Before I knew it, it was like

1447
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: a full semicircle all the way from my left shoulder

1448
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: to my right shoulder and all the way in front

1449
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: of me, all of them going off, and it sounded

1450
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 1: like they're right there, and I about cracked my pants. Yeah,

1451
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: it can be a little eerie. So well, Dan, do

1452
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: you have any more random questions for downing here before

1453
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: we wrap things up? I don't think so, I'm not,

1454
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just just h f y I for you, Mark,

1455
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of coyotes. It's good to know. But

1456
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 1: all the listeners. But but you are afraid to sit

1457
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: on stand all day. So yes, that is that is

1458
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: a fear. So we we have we each have our thing.

1459
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: Um well, Danny, I I appreciate you joining us and sharing,

1460
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: sharing how you've been able to be successful, how you've

1461
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: done this, And something I enjoy and appreciate about your

1462
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: hunting style is that you not only are you an

1463
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: equal opportunity killer of what you choose to shoot, but

1464
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: you are an equal opportunity hunter as far as how

1465
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: you hunt. I think it's pretty interesting that you're able

1466
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,879
Speaker 1: to kill big mature bucks, you know, an abating situation

1467
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: on private land, You're able to kill big mature buck

1468
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 1: two miles back on public land in a totally different

1469
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: kind of way. And it seems like you've been able

1470
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 1: to do it in all kinds of different ways, which

1471
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 1: is pretty neat because you know, there's a lot of

1472
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 1: different ways to skin the cat, you know, when it

1473
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: comes to hunting mature bucks. And I think sometimes and

1474
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: maybe I'm even guilty of this too, some of us

1475
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: tend to say, well, there's one way to do it,

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Speaker 1: or this is the way you're supposed to do or

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Speaker 1: this is the right way to do it, um, And

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Speaker 1: really that's that's a bunch of hogwash. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of different ways. Um. There's a lot of different different styles, um.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty cool. So it's neat to

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01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: see one person who kind of has done it in

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01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways like this. That shows Hey,

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01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: it's it's all good and there's a lot of ways

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01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: to do it. So interesting stuff done. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: the main thing I would say, any any kind of

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Speaker 1: way you're going to do it, just think about pressure,

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01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's private, public, whatever. I think pressure

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01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: is the key. Yeah, very true. That is one consistent

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01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: thing across the board. So, Donnie, if anyone wanted to

1490
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 1: learn more about what you're doing with the guide's service

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01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: down Ohio, if they want to come hunt with you

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01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: guys someday, where should they go to get information about that?

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01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: We have a Facebook page Real McCoy Outdoors, and we

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01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 1: have a website that's www dot real McCoy outdoors dot com. Awesome, well,

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01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: we will make sure to link to all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: And uh gosh, Danny, this has been fun. Thank you

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01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: so much for sharing your stories and experiences. You bet,

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01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: thank you, And that is if folks, episode number one

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Speaker 1: thirty is in the books. I hope you enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: But before we close things up, we do need to

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Speaker 1: think our partners who helped make this podcast possible. So

1502
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 1: big thank you to sit a Gear, Redneck, Blinds Hunter,

1503
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: a Maps, Yetie Cooler's, Ozonics, Carbon Express, Maven Optics, and

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01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. As well as

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01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: thinking them, I do want to thank all of you

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01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: listeners and read leaders and viewers as well, because many

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01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,440
Speaker 1: of you have reached out to some of these companies

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01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: and said, hey, thank you so much for supporting the

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01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: Wired Hunt podcast and that is awesome. That's a big

1510
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: help for us and it really makes a big difference.

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Speaker 1: Helps show these companies that you know, what we're doing

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Speaker 1: is making an impact and that allows us to continue

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Speaker 1: doing this. So thank you and thank you as well

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Speaker 1: for just tuning into this show, I hope you're getting

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Speaker 1: excited for some late season hunting, and I hope you'll

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Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt