WEBVTT - Forever Dirty Dancing with Lisa Swayze

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Amy and

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<v Speaker 1>TJ Robes. We not too terribly long ago, we found

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves at a wedding, and the fact that we were

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<v Speaker 1>at a wedding ended up making headlines because we were

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<v Speaker 1>accused of some particular behavior at that wedding. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember what I'm talking about here?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, my good friend JK.

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<v Speaker 2>Long.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, her wedding, She.

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<v Speaker 1>Got married and we had it was a great wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a really actually a really really good time

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<v Speaker 1>that night. But the following day we got messages from

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<v Speaker 1>people and we got some alerts and people kind of

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<v Speaker 1>making fun because of several headlines that were out there

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<v Speaker 1>about our behavior. Now, when I say I behavior, we

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<v Speaker 1>need to be more specific.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was we were accused of dancing a particular

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<v Speaker 3>way on the dance floor. And yes, the dance floor

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<v Speaker 3>was full and I was on it, but you were

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<v Speaker 3>more notably not on the dance floor. You were just

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<v Speaker 3>cheering me on, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what the article said.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not what the article said that we were dirty

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<v Speaker 3>dancing in front of a hundred people or so on

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<v Speaker 3>a dance floor, just showing a lot of PDA, and frankly,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the implication was that we were inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I don't mind the PDA. You and I are.

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<v Speaker 1>We hold hands a lot. I mean we just naturally

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<v Speaker 1>are that way. That's one thing. But that's not what

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<v Speaker 1>this was suggested. It was suggested that something untoward was

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<v Speaker 1>taking place and inappropriate on the dance floor in front

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<v Speaker 1>of all these folks. The funniest part of that is

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<v Speaker 1>that I have been going to weddings, of course, my

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. There's only been one wedding in life that

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<v Speaker 1>I did not dance.

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<v Speaker 3>At, and that was at Jk's wedding.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't I get on the dance floor single time. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a very good reason.

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<v Speaker 3>For that, that's right, because this was actually a themed wedding,

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<v Speaker 3>and the theme of the wedding was yatrac And if

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<v Speaker 3>you've listened to the podcast, you know, oh that TJ

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<v Speaker 3>is not a fan of yacht rock, namely because I

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<v Speaker 3>think you have said this, I don't see how y'all

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<v Speaker 3>dance to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and I think some would agree, But some of

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<v Speaker 1>the things, at least you hear me or you play

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I don't. I don't like them. Is one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but I find them difficult to dance to. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most famous examples is your favorite maybe your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite song, if not in the top three, at least

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<v Speaker 1>is sailing right, Yes, Christopher Cross, go ahead, give.

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<v Speaker 3>The people, takes me away to where I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to snap and sway now and can't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't dance to it, you just sway or you're

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<v Speaker 1>just supposed to listen, right, It's not supposed to dance.

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<v Speaker 3>Just let your body move to the rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's dancing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I find there to be a rhythm and swaying.

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<v Speaker 3>Swaying is moving, swang is dancing. The point being we

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<v Speaker 3>were not draating. We were doing the opposite. We weren't

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<v Speaker 3>even we actually weren't even on the dance dance floor.

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<v Speaker 1>When you hear dirty dancing, the first thing that comes

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody's mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Has to be that movie that man Patrick Swayze, Patrick Swayze,

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<v Speaker 3>Jennifer Gray. Nobody puts baby in a corner. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>how many times do you hear that a week? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I said it. I think I said it

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<v Speaker 3>twice already. This week there was a knitsa where a

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<v Speaker 3>guy was in the corner. I'm like, nobody puts baby

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<v Speaker 3>in a corner.

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<v Speaker 1>You said it, I did night guy was just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to hold the door open for us. He got tucked

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<v Speaker 1>in a little bit behind the door, and you said,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody puts baby in the corner.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's such a great line delivered by Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>the one and only Patrick Swayze. And uh, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think even if the right music came on, babe,

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<v Speaker 3>we could ever do it. Well, we just couldn't even

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I can't even imagine us ever even attempting

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<v Speaker 3>dirty dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, doing the Cupid shuffle with he was difficult enough,

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<v Speaker 1>SOPHI will leave it to thank you Sidney. She gets it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you think about Patrick Swayze, it certainly ghost might

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<v Speaker 1>be I don't know, dirty dancing a ghostes when the

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<v Speaker 1>first two will come to mind. But also Roadhouse I loved,

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<v Speaker 1>and then point break might be my favorite point. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a brilliant movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Oh my goodness, I think for me it's

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<v Speaker 3>ghost first and dirty Dancing second.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, okay, that makes sense, that makes sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up watching a little bit of Roadhouse. We

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<v Speaker 1>had it on because we were getting set to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Look, he's been gone now fifteen they have

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<v Speaker 1>the years, right, fifteen years. And his wife Lisa, who

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<v Speaker 1>who's married to for thirty four years, thirty four years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>She has continued since his passing to carry on his

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<v Speaker 1>legacy by making sure she fights to get funding for

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<v Speaker 1>research pancreatic cancer, which he lost his life after twenty months,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Months, twenty two months.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe and deally with that. But she has carried on.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's carried on not just as a woman missing

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<v Speaker 1>her husband that we all know their love story, but

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<v Speaker 1>she has her own new love story now, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>which makes her I guess in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>For some people, they look and they want to only

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<v Speaker 1>think about her with Patrick Swayzey. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>us can look at it and not think. Many people

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<v Speaker 1>do like another chance at love, another chance at life,

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<v Speaker 1>and just this woman who didn't have to give up

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<v Speaker 1>anything in her relationship with Patrick Swayzey to continue the

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<v Speaker 1>life that she now leads, Lisa Niemi swayze But it

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<v Speaker 1>described the dance that you were just talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, I was googling Lisa and Patrick and

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<v Speaker 3>I came upon this beautiful dance they did together. I

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<v Speaker 3>believe it was in the nineties, and the two of

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<v Speaker 3>you were on stage, and obviously you're both beautiful dancers,

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<v Speaker 3>but to see two people who love each other so

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<v Speaker 3>beautifully dancing in that way on stage in front of everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>I was swept away. Looks like you're getting a little teary,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'm sure those are. That's a beautiful memory, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But can you take us back to that moment of

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<v Speaker 3>being on stage with Patrick And I mean the two

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<v Speaker 3>of you met dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes we did. I my first dance teacher was

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<v Speaker 2>his mom, So that's how we met. And yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>we'd be he was my first dance partner. And I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what, the first time we ever danced on

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<v Speaker 2>stage together, we did this Romonda padda and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when something clicks, and it was very classical, and he

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<v Speaker 2>presents his hand to me and the lights were on.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a high school auditorium or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>he presents his hand. I put my hand in his,

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<v Speaker 2>and we looked in each other's eyes and was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this incredible magic happened at that moment. So we pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much stayed dance partners for the next thirty four years.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how much we talked about the one we

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<v Speaker 1>just saw. We saw it on video, We saw you

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<v Speaker 1>all in the public eye. But all of us, all couples,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Robot and I, we do it. We dance

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<v Speaker 1>around the house sometimes. But you all as trained and

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<v Speaker 1>very good dancers. Did you all play around the house

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<v Speaker 1>and were you just dancing around in private a lot

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<v Speaker 1>as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? You know, of course, you know there's some great

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<v Speaker 2>music going on and you kind of get in the

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<v Speaker 2>group and book it a little bit. But I tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what, it would never dance with me on in

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<v Speaker 2>public because everybody would be sitting around, going, what's he

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<v Speaker 2>going to do next? That's an underglass. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>usually out on the floor by myself or dancing with

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<v Speaker 2>the girls. So that's funny, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I just love though, hearing about that moment you two

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<v Speaker 3>first locked eyes and you said it was magic. People

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<v Speaker 3>talk about love at first sight, but that sounded like

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<v Speaker 3>what you were describing it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was really interesting because we were had

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<v Speaker 2>a little contential start because each of us he I

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<v Speaker 2>had kind of a reputation as Castanova, I had a

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<v Speaker 2>reputation as a bad girl, and we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>stay away from each other. But it's really funny with

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<v Speaker 2>some people know and I knew. I knew before we

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<v Speaker 2>were done that something was going to happen between us

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<v Speaker 2>that was significant, and I just I had every confidence

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<v Speaker 2>in every bone in my body that that was what

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<v Speaker 2>was going to happen. I didn't know and culminate in

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<v Speaker 2>a very long term marriage. But I was suddenly like

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen at that time, so I wasn't exactly marrying myself

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<v Speaker 2>off just yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I'm looking at you here now and hearing your voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing about you necessarily would say bad girl to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that was a long time ago, but did

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<v Speaker 1>you deserve that reputation at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. Oh, okay, you know, I hung around with

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of bad cool people because I didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>fit in, you know how that is. So I hung

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<v Speaker 2>around with the people who didn't fit in either, And

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<v Speaker 2>but I was underneath it all as like I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty conservative and cautious. So but I was

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<v Speaker 2>so quiet that nobody ever knew what was going on

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<v Speaker 2>with me. And when somebody sat quiet and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to make small small talk. You could see

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<v Speaker 2>I got over that the the uh, you can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of read into that person whatever you want to because

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<v Speaker 2>they're not giving any giving you any signals.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, from what you know now of what you got

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<v Speaker 1>to know about him, did he deserve the reputation of

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<v Speaker 1>being a castanoakle Oh oh uh.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he he had. He had quite a significant amount

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<v Speaker 2>of girlfriends and uh. Of course he was very handsome

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<v Speaker 2>and sought after, but he I think he was looking

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<v Speaker 2>for something more than just fooling around. So uh. And

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't that he was such, It wasn't he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a womanizer. He was very gentleman. Link In fact, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like he'd opened the door for me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of freak out about that. It's like I could

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<v Speaker 2>own on my own door. Awesome. He actually liked that

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<v Speaker 2>because he was going places and gonna be doing things,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wanted somebody to come along that could do

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<v Speaker 2>it with them. You know, I'm not just sitting and

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<v Speaker 2>keep file their nails. But he did have come up

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<v Speaker 2>with a come off with a bizarrely huge amount of confidence,

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<v Speaker 2>and he held himself really upright, and he was just

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<v Speaker 2>so all American, handsome, talenteded everything that It just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of made you sick. And a lot of people didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like them because of that. He was like too perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>He was so perfect, he didn't he didn't fit in either.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. You know, it's amazing because you all got married.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe you were nineteen, he was twenty three, is

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<v Speaker 3>that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, eighteen twenty three, eighteen twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, So not only did you get married young, but

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<v Speaker 3>now you're in the spotlight. And Patrick Sweezey was, as

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<v Speaker 3>you mentioned, America's all American, you know, just the guy

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<v Speaker 3>every girl wanted to be with. Everyone remembers Dirty Dancing.

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<v Speaker 3>My daughters love that movie. They love Patrick Swayzey. We

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<v Speaker 3>were just watching rewatching Roadhouse this morning, just reminiscing. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's such a part of coming up and Patrick was

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<v Speaker 3>such a big part of that. How I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>can love someone, you can have love at first sight,

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<v Speaker 3>but so many marriages feel that aren't in the spotlight.

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<v Speaker 3>And to have the love story you had, was there

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<v Speaker 3>ever a moment where it got tough or you worried

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<v Speaker 3>about it? Sounds like you all were rock solid from

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<v Speaker 3>start to finish, and that's just a remarkable thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious, how did that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know it's I love that term rock solid,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always felt that way, and you know, things

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<v Speaker 2>would get really tough, but we we fight it out.

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<v Speaker 2>We had great, great fights, but we always hung in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and our fights were about hanging in there. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think for me when you brought brought up about the

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<v Speaker 2>fame and how difficult that could be, and he's we're

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<v Speaker 2>both being pulled in so many different places. He always

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<v Speaker 2>made me feel like I was the most important person

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. And he would never let like we'd

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<v Speaker 2>be going in someplace and we'd have bodyguards and occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>the bodyguard would like cut me out. It's like and

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<v Speaker 2>he's first all, He's just like, you don't do that

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<v Speaker 2>to my wife, you know, Lisa come here, and or

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<v Speaker 2>somebody leaning over and actually had a coat put on

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<v Speaker 2>my head once because they wanted to talk to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he just wasn't going to have that behavior. He

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<v Speaker 2>insisted that everyone paid me the same respect that was

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<v Speaker 2>given him and always made me feel important.

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<v Speaker 1>And loved what was his relationship with. Some people are

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<v Speaker 1>run into they love it, some people loathe it. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people just tolerated. What what did he like or not

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<v Speaker 1>like about being as big of a star and the

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<v Speaker 1>fame and things that came with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, I you know, that's kind of a that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of an interesting question for Patrick because he

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<v Speaker 2>used to always say, I'm a contradiction and that's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and because he had he had contradicting sides to that,

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<v Speaker 2>because he definitely embraced fame. He was just from the

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<v Speaker 2>time I ever knew, from the time I knew him,

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, I am going to be successful and

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<v Speaker 2>you will notice me and you will pay attention, and

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's the other part of me. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>of him, that's uh. You know, we had we stayed

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<v Speaker 2>on our little horse ranch and didn't go any place

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<v Speaker 2>because we didn't want to be bothered by anybody, and so,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we isolated a lot, but we had our

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<v Speaker 2>horses and our dogs and our cats and our friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we didn't suffer.

0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.959
<v Speaker 1>Where if he had an option, where would he prefer

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the ranch, you know, on the couch,

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out somewhere, or walking a red carpet and rubbing

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<v Speaker 1>elbows on our.

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<v Speaker 2>Ranch in New Mexico hunder percent. In fact, you know,

0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.560
<v Speaker 2>we were both pilots and we had our own plane,

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<v Speaker 2>so we fly back and forth, and sometimes it's like

0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I could hardly get him to go back to La

0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.760
<v Speaker 2>He just didn't want to leave. Well, I said, at

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<v Speaker 2>one time, I said, hey, you know what, you don't

0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.000
<v Speaker 2>have to do this anymore. We can go on a

0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.360
<v Speaker 2>mountaintop do carpentry. And he said, you know, you don't

0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.320
<v Speaker 2>have to do this pressure and everything, because he was

0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.480
<v Speaker 2>at that time he was very frustrated with some of

0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.400
<v Speaker 2>his career choices and what he was and wasn't getting.

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.520
<v Speaker 2>And when I told him that you don't have to

0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.240
<v Speaker 2>do this anymore, let's go do a carpentry on a mountaintop,

0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:04.560
<v Speaker 2>he looked at me with are you crazy? Where we

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<v Speaker 2>know where he stood on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like both of you would have said, no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what, the thing you were most proud of was

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<v Speaker 3>your relationship and just your love story is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest legacies he leaves behind. But was there something

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<v Speaker 3>he was most proud of professionally? And you mentioned his frustrations,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm curious what he was most proud of and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe what he was most frustrated by.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, well, you know, especially when he got sick,

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<v Speaker 2>he really questioned his legacy and he was concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>how he would be remembered. And I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>he needn't worry at all. You know, he's still very

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<v Speaker 2>much of people's minds. And for every movie that he did,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a different thing that he liked about it and

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<v Speaker 2>or didn't like it. Well, actually he didn't. I don't

0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.840
<v Speaker 2>think he ever didn't like it one of his movies.

0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's just like City of Joy was very fulfilling

0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.640
<v Speaker 2>for him. He was working with a great director and

0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.320
<v Speaker 2>he was doing great work. And of course, uh, dirty dancing.

0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.080
<v Speaker 2>He liked a pooh pooh dirty dancing. You know, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>blew the lid off my life and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, as the decades went on, and just

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<v Speaker 2>like you mentioned your daughters loving the movie, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was still alive when he was on his third

0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.560
<v Speaker 2>or fourth generation of fans. It's crazy, it's like super crazy.

0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.560
<v Speaker 2>You know, these women coming up to him, from women

0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.040
<v Speaker 2>coming up that weren't even born when the movie came out,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's astonishing. And you know, he loved ghost point.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like an amazing ride for him. And

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<v Speaker 2>I love it that he stands in the doorway of

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<v Speaker 2>that airplane he says, Ostillo, God, I can't believe I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember bye bye or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned. He had thoughts about his the legacy, what

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<v Speaker 1>did he was there more so a concern about if

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<v Speaker 1>he'd be remembered or how he'd be remembered.

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<v Speaker 2>I think both. I think both in fact, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could remember. But there's a line that Toman says,

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever Movi it was, I don't I'm terrible at

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<v Speaker 2>names today. Were they going to get the kid out

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<v Speaker 2>of the war because the boys have died?

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan?

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<v Speaker 2>There we go, thank you. But he has a line

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<v Speaker 2>that basically says what makes a man? And and how

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<v Speaker 2>will he be remembered when all of a sudden died

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<v Speaker 2>And he, you know, he knew that he was had

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<v Speaker 2>achieved great fame. He also knew that you know, at

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<v Speaker 2>times he could be difficult, but I you what, most

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<v Speaker 2>of the most of the people around him never saw

0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:09.159
<v Speaker 2>that difficult side and absolutely adored him. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>very generous with this time and very sweet and caring.

0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.800
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think he needn't have worried. I guess no.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because whole life, you know, he was really

0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.119
<v Speaker 2>he was really made to do this job that he

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<v Speaker 2>ended up doing. From the time he was very young.

0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.080
<v Speaker 2>He was trained by his mom. He was in the theater,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a dancer, and so this is his whole

0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:39.960
<v Speaker 2>life was geared towards this kind of career. And you

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<v Speaker 2>have to take a step back and look back and go,

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<v Speaker 2>how did I do?

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<v Speaker 3>He was doing so much all the time, and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>seven is far too young to leave this world and

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<v Speaker 3>to leave this life. Did he have unfinished business? Did

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<v Speaker 3>he have things he really wanted to do that he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get a chance to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I think he would have wanted to go camping

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<v Speaker 2>one last time, you know, he he Uh. We were

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<v Speaker 2>on our rent to New Mexico and we were walking

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<v Speaker 2>outside one day and uh, it's a beautiful day. The

0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.800
<v Speaker 2>horses were around, and and actually he did want to

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<v Speaker 2>go camping. And I was like, oh my god, how

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<v Speaker 2>am I going to do this? Because you know, at

0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:26.040
<v Speaker 2>that time, he was getting a lot of medication and

0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.360
<v Speaker 2>he was getting some pain stuff, and we there are

0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.439
<v Speaker 2>bags at things, and and I thought to myself, he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to go camping. I have to find out find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to do it. We're just going to go

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<v Speaker 2>and do it. We're going to take all that s

0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.120
<v Speaker 2>h I t with us. We have to. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're walking along. It's a beautiful day. And he

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<v Speaker 2>looked at me with tears in his eyes. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to live. Yeah. It was really Yeah, that's

0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:54.480
<v Speaker 2>what he wanted to do more than anything else. He

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to go with And it's a shame that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, h You know, when he first found out

0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.360
<v Speaker 2>he had pancreatic cancer, he turned to me and he said,

0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm a dead man because I didn't know much about

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 2>pancreatic cancer, but he did. And from what he knew,

0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:18.040
<v Speaker 2>anytime you heard someone did have Patrick acreated cancer, it

0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, well he's out of here. And uh and

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<v Speaker 2>sure enough, the doctor said, you know, you could go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and treat it and be as aggressive as you want,

0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.320
<v Speaker 2>but do you think about getting your affairs in order

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.920
<v Speaker 2>sooner rather than later. That's a that's a tough thing

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<v Speaker 2>to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>He heard that immediately after the diagnosis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, wow, yeah, because we it'd have been confirmed. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he had a h orthoscopic into scopic thing that confirmed it,

0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 2>and he was pretty knocked out, and because he was

0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.080
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of pain after that, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>tell him when he was like woozy, you know what

0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.679
<v Speaker 2>a thing? That tell him? Huh, you got back granded cancer.

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 2>So slept in the room with him in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I woke up, the doctor was sitting across

0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.359
<v Speaker 2>from him and he was in the bed, and I

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:16.080
<v Speaker 2>knew that the doctor had just told him. So that's

0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:16.840
<v Speaker 2>how we found out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Lisa, that's his first reaction to hearing that diagnosis.

0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 1>What was yours.

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Mine? The first thing I I, well, my first action

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 2>was I called my sister in law, who's a brilliant

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:47.320
<v Speaker 2>oncologist in Houston, Texas, Yes or US, and uh, you

0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 2>know she's like when I told her the news, she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh no, And she says, Lisa, we have

0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>to get this together. We need to find a pinacal

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 2>trial for him. And I don't want you to delay.

0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I want you to have him in treatment within a

0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:07.120
<v Speaker 2>week and you know, just to come out with all

0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:13.960
<v Speaker 2>guns blazing. But it's your life turns on a dime,

0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's just never going to be the same after that,

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, just everything shifted. And we always called ourselves

0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:29.480
<v Speaker 2>optimistic realists because we knew in all likelihood how this

0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>was going to turn out. But we held hope that

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:33.600
<v Speaker 2>he would be the one that would make it through,

0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:40.120
<v Speaker 2>because miracles do happen. But there was and we kept

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<v Speaker 2>so positive about everything. But I tell you what it

0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:48.880
<v Speaker 2>was like, living in a complete nightmare all twenty four

0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 2>to seven. Yeah, and and trying to keep that positive

0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:58.040
<v Speaker 2>energy because you know, I wanted to be there for

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.800
<v Speaker 2>him because We're going to fight this with everything we had.

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.520
<v Speaker 2>And if I sat down and cried and saw, which

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.359
<v Speaker 2>I did on a casha in private, he caught me once,

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, because I didn't every every outset of energy

0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:19.120
<v Speaker 2>we had was going to go into helping him live.

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.400
<v Speaker 2>So it was a it was a tough rug.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine with that kind of love and that

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of commitment for one another. Yes, he was going

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 3>through hell physically and emotionally. But for you to be

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.440
<v Speaker 3>the one who has to be the rock that has

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, people don't talk about it often enough what

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.880
<v Speaker 3>it's like to be the caregiver, to be the person

0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 3>who loves the person who's fighting and battling this and

0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 3>how did you he only caught you crying once? That

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:51.000
<v Speaker 3>that blew my mind. That's remarkable. How did you do that?

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, you know, just now I find a place.

0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I find a place to go on a crying jag. No,

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe twice. And I think the first time I

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.399
<v Speaker 2>cried all the way home on a drive and scared

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:09.880
<v Speaker 2>the hell out of them. I just it scared them.

0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 2>And but yeah, it's it's it's very tough for a

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 2>caregiver when you're fighting. You know, it's like it's going

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 2>to war and it is a matter of life and

0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.200
<v Speaker 2>death and that those are the stakes that you are

0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 2>dealing with. And uh, it's hard to take care of yourself.

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 2>And that's one of the things if I had to

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<v Speaker 2>do it all over again.

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<v Speaker 3>Please no, please no, But you know what, Lisa of

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<v Speaker 3>my life imagine, Oh my god, oh my goodness, but

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 3>there are Lisa, people are gonna happen again.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 2>My husband, my my wonderful husband. Now I said, I'm sorry,

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:55.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm going first.

0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I can't do this again.

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>You're used to this id coming out the other end,

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.440
<v Speaker 2>you know. I would recommend for people in a killer

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>giving situation to really try have some self care, give

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 2>yourself some breaks. I used to go to TJ Maxim's shop,

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 2>paid two hours, twelve dollars T shirt later.

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.320
<v Speaker 3>One of our favorite places.

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it and the Uh yeah,

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 2>so taking care of yourself. And I didn't do enough

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 2>of that. And I because I always said I'll cry later, Scarlet,

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll cry later, but I can't cry now because I've

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>got to be here for him. And uh, you know,

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:49.359
<v Speaker 2>after he passed. In the ensuing years after that, I

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.640
<v Speaker 2>really paid a high price for stuffing down all those

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>feelings and had to go through a lot of trauma

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.399
<v Speaker 2>treatment that I finally got smart enough to go ahead

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>and address so I could kind of unravel all the

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>things I had done to myself during all that time

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 2>I stuff this feelings down. So, yeah, take care of yourself.

0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Gotta you've got to be there for them. It's not

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:16.640
<v Speaker 2>going to help help them if you get sick.

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 1>So, you know, Lisa, thank you for putting Both of

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 1>us are sitting here wiping tears for the past several

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>minutes and listening to you. But then you threw some

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 1>humor in there. Un that's something robot here. Everybody knows

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>she's a breast cancer survivor. She talks about this thing

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>cancer humor, and it only seems that it's necessary sometimes,

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>But all survivors and their caregivers often seem to be

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the ones It all seems wrong to laugh with you,

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 1>but you clearly we appreciated the smile that you were

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.239
<v Speaker 1>able to just put on our faces. Just then about it.

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>But back to the idea of the caregiver. Self care

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.560
<v Speaker 1>is one thing, and taking care of yourself, but how

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:59.360
<v Speaker 1>important what do you advise people caregivers about letting your

0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>loved one who is battling cancer see your pain as well.

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 1>It seems like you always want to keep it away

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 1>from them because they're going through that cancer struggle. But

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.159
<v Speaker 1>is that something you certainly tried to do. But is

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that something you advise or recommend to caregivers who are

0:27:14.520 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>listening and people you've talked to over the years. It

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>just seems so difficult to do.

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 2>You mean, to share what you're feeling with them?

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to try to Hie you said he only saw

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>you cry maybe once or twice.

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, And I have to say there were a

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>couple of times when the opportunity came that to have

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>a really meaningful conversation about death and how he was

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:54.120
<v Speaker 2>feeling about that, how I was feeling about that, and

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 2>it was it was too scary. It's too scary too

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 2>for me. And I wish in a way that that

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 2>was my weak part, you know, in a way, I

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>wish I had been stronger to be able to risk

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:15.200
<v Speaker 2>having that conversation with him, because it was so frightening

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 2>to me that I mean for me, I felt, you know,

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I felt like the one who was

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 2>going to die. You know, he got to leave, but

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I had to stay here, and that was, you know,

0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>so kind of another thing. So anyway, yeah, so I

0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.399
<v Speaker 2>think that it would have been valuable for me to

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 2>who had sat down and have some of those really

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 2>meaningful conversations with him, because I think he wanted it.

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>But I think we were both kind of protecting each

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>other in that regard.

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you were, as you know, I know, you're

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 3>a big advocate for pancreatic cancer research pan CAN, specifically

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 3>the organization. You know, you're a huge advocate and an

0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 3>amazing ambassador for that organization. But this is a disease

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 3>that unfortunately, so many people are still going through walking

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 3>through so hearing what you went through and telling your

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 3>story in Patrick's story, I know, as you know, helped

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 3>so many people just to not feel so alone and

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 3>to learn maybe what you wish you could have done,

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 3>But my god, you did the best you could. Because

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 3>who could possibly be prepared to handle something like that,

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 3>because this happens suddenly, and unfortunately a lot of times

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 3>people pass quickly. How long was Patrick's battle from start

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>to finish?

0:29:33.480 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>And amazing? Twenty two months?

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Wow?

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>And that that was incredible because in general, I mean,

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 2>we ran into people who, like a good friend his brother,

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>got pancreatic cancer. Yeah, one round of chemotherapy and after

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 2>diagnosis he was dead within two weeks.

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness.

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. But the arch usually people passed between because

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>by the time you find out it's usually advanced. Usually

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>they passed between three and six months, and seventy five

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 2>percent die within the first year, and at time when

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Patrick was silt, less than six percent survived till five years.

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Now it's up to a remarkable thirteen percent, which says

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 2>we're doing something a little better now. Yeah, So more

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 2>people are finding a way better treatments and better ways

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 2>of diagnosing all of this.

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 3>I saw that and I thought, you know, that's amazing.

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 3>The numbers have almost doubled from the time Patrick was

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 3>diagnosed with a five year survivability. But still you're talking

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 3>about nearly ninety percent of people after five years are

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 3>no longer with us. That is a devastating disease and

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 3>a devastating diagnosis. What do you want people to know

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 3>about pancreatic cancer? What can we do? What needs to

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 3>be happening? Just give us your your thoughts on what

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 3>needs to be done that hasn't been done yet.

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, then I tell you what this is. Why what

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 2>fourteen fifteen years later, I'm still hanging in there because

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it's not always easy talking about this stuff. You know,

0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 2>it brings up, you know, memories that are you know,

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>not all that pleasant. But I tell you what I know,

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>and it's I know what these people feel like to

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>fight for somebody they love, and to do it with

0:31:23.560 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 2>a disease that has so little resources. It's like, yeah,

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.240
<v Speaker 2>we are, we all got to go at some point,

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 2>but give us a fighting chance. And that's why I

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>hang in there, because I want those people to have

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity that Patrick want so valiantly for but the

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>only way, of course, number one is awareness, well not

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>number one number one, excuse me, money.

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Funding, federal funding. At the end of April, we do

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>our annual walk, this Purple Stride at April twenty seventh.

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be at Santa Monica Peer for that,

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 2>but in like sixty communities all over the country, we're

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>going to be doing this walk all on one day.

0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.720
<v Speaker 2>So it's the biggest thumb raiser of the year. And

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I would encourage people to go to paincan dot org

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:22.120
<v Speaker 2>where they can donate or sign up to go into

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the walk. But also bringing awareness so that we can

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>know the symptoms of pancreat cancer, because earlier you'd catch it,

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>the better because, like I said, usually it's so advanced

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 2>by the time you do, there's not a whole lot

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of options. And like Patrick was stage four when he

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 2>was diagnosed.

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 3>What were his symptoms, Lisa, what were patrick symptoms?

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:55.440
<v Speaker 2>He had had persistent stomach pain, his stool had gotten pale,

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 2>unusual and he came to me one morning he says,

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to my eyes looking, I said, yeah, they do you know?

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's because anyway, I don't want to get the

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 2>pancreas cuts off the Bill Duck, the Billy Reuben doesn't

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>get through, and so it changed does so that John

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Dust comes in. But there are other other ways, like

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 2>unexplained weight loss, sudden onset of diabetes. What's some of

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 2>the other ones. Yeah, persistent pain in your back, you're

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 2>adam him yellowing, Yeah, stuff like that. The sooner you

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 2>catch it, the better.

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned a moment ago there are so little resources.

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned money, but then you use that word. It's

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>a little that phrase, there's so little resources. But why

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>is it still that it's hard to get people to

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>rally in the huge ways we'd like to see for

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>cancer as one of, if not the deadliest cancer out there,

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>but it has the least resources and seems to get

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the least attention. Sometimes. We've had some high profile people,

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>certainly Patrick and certainly famously recently Alex Trebek. But what

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 1>can you say to people listening to get them to

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe think differently and start to do more of a

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:15.800
<v Speaker 1>rallying cry for pancreatic cancer.

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>I know, when Patrick was sick, it was pretty apparent

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>to me that everyone researchers are scared off this thing,

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 2>like you know it is so tough, and what makes

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 2>it so difficult to treat is that what works for

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 2>one person may not work for another, which is why

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:39.800
<v Speaker 2>this targeted therapy and molecular profiling and everything to help

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 2>direct patients towards the treatment that's going to work best

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 2>for them. But that makes it really really hard thing

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.759
<v Speaker 2>to crack. Just like Patrick, he did get in a

0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>clinical trial. I believe there are seventy five people and

0:34:55.160 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>he was one of two that thrived on it. It's very,

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>very tough. And then these pharmaceutical companies and bio companies,

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, becomes a matter of money, because why do

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>they want to invest all this time into developing a

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 2>clinical study when in all likelihood fail and a lot

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:24.879
<v Speaker 2>of them fail, and so but you what you need?

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:25.760
<v Speaker 2>You need more money?

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Is that kind of hit right there? The bottom line

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.399
<v Speaker 1>is who wants to invest in something that they don't

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 1>think is going to be financially beneficial? I mean that,

0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, that seems like the crassest thing in the world,

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.720
<v Speaker 1>But is that bottom line?

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, it's it's going to be people

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:44.759
<v Speaker 2>like us out there that are going to help be

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 2>helped supporting it in PANCN does may I've just read

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 2>how many millions and millions they've raised for research, and

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 2>they are very keen on that, and they do a

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of research and anytime I'm in one of their

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 2>dinners or meetings, that's their first and foremost. But also

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 2>pan CAN in addition to their fundraising for research, which

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:15.359
<v Speaker 2>has been very beneficial, they also offer patient services so

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.280
<v Speaker 2>that if you have a loved one or friend who

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 2>is diagnosed, I would encourage them heartily to contact pancan

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.400
<v Speaker 2>dot org and you'll get a person on the phone

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>that can help walk you through all the information that

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 2>you will ever need. It's a multifaceted organization. It's like

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 2>a one stop shopping and they can even help you

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:36.680
<v Speaker 2>find a clinical trial to get in that might be

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>near you and do a not hold handing because when

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.399
<v Speaker 2>pan created cancer comes up, you start learning a lot

0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:46.720
<v Speaker 2>about something you never wanted to learn about.

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.040
<v Speaker 3>You have been and continue to be an incredible advocate,

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 3>and I know that pan CAN and anyone who is

0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 3>battling this disease or love someone who's battling this disease,

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:08.759
<v Speaker 3>is grateful to you and to your work, because it

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 3>is about the power of one voice even to get

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 3>people thinking and talking and doing something different. And I

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 3>know that you know, Patrick is just cheering you on

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 3>because my god, like what a legacy you are for

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 3>him to be carrying this torch and to shout it

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.959
<v Speaker 3>from the rooftops. People need to pay attention and people

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 3>need to fund research to save lives because this is

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 3>outrageous that we're still dealing with cancer and the way

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 3>we are, that we don't have a cure, we don't

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:37.840
<v Speaker 3>have a way forward. And I applaud you, just personally

0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.839
<v Speaker 3>as a cancer survivor for your work and how you

0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 3>honor Patrick. And I think another part of this journey.

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 3>You mentioned that he got to leave and you had

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 3>to stay, and that's part of the pain. But I

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 3>also think for anyone who's going through that or who

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.040
<v Speaker 3>has been through that, to look and see what you've

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.360
<v Speaker 3>been able to do, not only as an advocate, but personally.

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 3>You did find love again, and I think that's an

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.319
<v Speaker 3>important part of this story. That your life didn't end,

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.240
<v Speaker 3>it's continued. Can you talk a little bit about finding

0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 3>another love. It didn't replace the love, but to be

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:08.360
<v Speaker 3>able to love again.

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, Robert or and I both feel very fortunate,

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 2>and he had gone through a very heartbreaking divorce and

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>it was really wounded. And of course I lost Patrick,

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>and it was about three years later. If we had

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 2>met before then, we would have happened. But after three

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 2>years we were about ready and we were introduced by

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>longtime friends that we both known for over thirty years

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 2>and who vouched for the other person. And it was

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, I didn't realize just how lonely I was

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 2>until much much later, because I've I'm a buck up

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of girl. You know, I could take it. You know,

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I this is not loneliness. I'm feeling your heart. I'm

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 2>dealing with brief yes, But it was so wonderful when

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 2>it came in my life. And what was interesting to

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>me was, you know, you think, well, how could you

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>forget Patrick? Are you kidding me? Patrick's still with me,

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, I still have a relationship with him. It's

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>just he's physically not here. He's in every day he's

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 2>with me, and I feel him there. And what was

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 2>really unusual was that and I really fell in love

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<v Speaker 2>with Albert and it didn't affect interesting to see how

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't affect my love for Patrick one bit. It

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 2>was it was like, and I was talking to a

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend about that and how extraordinary that was, and she says,

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that's because love comes from the same Well I thought

0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 2>that was pretty deep deep. Well, yeah, it's just like,

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 2>just because you lose a loved one doesn't mean you

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<v Speaker 2>stop loving and you don't have that love to give.

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 2>And I think Albert and I were fortunate to find

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<v Speaker 2>someone to give that love to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you hesitate on your own even to feel

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<v Speaker 1>like did it take you a moment to say is

0:40:23.920 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>it okay for me? And talking to yourself, is it

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>okay for me to love someone?

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:30.879
<v Speaker 2>When he asked when he asked me to marry him,

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh.

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he appreciated that response.

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Just what do you wanted to hear? Yeah, you know,

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was like, oh my gosh, well

0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.279
<v Speaker 2>that's different because I'm already married. You know. It's like

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I was already married in a way,

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:55.439
<v Speaker 2>because you know, I still love Patrick. And I even

0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>said that Albert, I said, that doesn't bother you that

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I still love Patrick. He says, no, this is how

0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 2>I know you love him, and I know you love me,

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 2>and I'm here to love you now. It's like, oh,

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:15.879
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty nice. But I actually had a dream when

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 2>we were looking at getting married and everything I had

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 2>it was interesting. I won't go into a whole description,

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>but it was like he was resurrected and I was

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 2>in this courtyard and he came out. And when I

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>see him in my dreams, he would never speak, you know,

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 2>but I can understand what he was saying, and because

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 2>I had many dreams about him. And he came up

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:47.359
<v Speaker 2>to me and I'm like, and he put his arms

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>on me, around me, and he said, and I was like,

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't marry a Hobert. Oh. I was elated.

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 2>First of all. I was elated. He's back. He's back,

0:41:57.200 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>He's back, and I was just so, but oh my god,

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 2>I can't marry Albert now because you're back. Thank god,

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 2>you're back. And he just looked at me and I

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>in what his words came to me were says, no,

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 2>I know you love me. It has nothing to do

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 2>with it, you know. He he just said this. I

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>can't remember exactly, but it was like he he was

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 2>letting me know it didn't change how we felt about

0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>each other, in our relationship with each other, and it

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 2>was like giving a blessing.

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Did you need that, Lisa, did you need a blessing

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of some kind before a nod from Patrick? Almost before

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 1>you would get married.

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 2>It sure didn't hurt.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 3>I know that. That was for me almost like life

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 3>imitating art, because I kept thinking of the movie Ghost

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 3>when you were saying.

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 2>That, Oh my gosh, yes, it was.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Wild you were describing that, and I was just I

0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 3>was seeing the movie in my mind.

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I have to say it was. It was

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a really wonderful dream, just like what you what I

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, what my girlfriend said about love being from

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the same well and uh, well and going through the

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 2>whole fight with heacreated cancer and this terminal illness and

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:29.720
<v Speaker 2>uh you know, it really focuses you on what's important

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.239
<v Speaker 2>in life, and that love and that's that was the

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 2>most important thing of all, was the love that we

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 2>had together. So it sounds like I'm quoting the end

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 2>line of Ghosts, now, aren't they.

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:46.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh it's I mean, it's so beautiful, I mean, and

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.280
<v Speaker 3>it's so inspirational, and it's not the way anybody wants

0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 3>perspective to be given, but my god, it is the

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:59.359
<v Speaker 3>ultimate perspective when you realize what's important and what's not.

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.840
<v Speaker 3>And sadly sometimes it comes in these types of moments.

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and interestingly, I've always coming out of that. It

0:44:08.480 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 2>is like, gosh, I never want to forget this. I

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 2>never want to forget that and what's really important in life?

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 2>And dang it, don't you know? You get involved with

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 2>stuff and you know, got a house under construction and

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>we're renovating this, and we're I can't get to my

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:30.360
<v Speaker 2>horses and I can't get to finish that, and you

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>start losing track and uh, instead of just enjoying every

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>moment that you've got here, because you know, you we

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 2>don't own each We don't have each other in each

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>other's life forever. We don't even have our own life.

0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 2>It's not something we own. And uh so we got

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to appreciate it while it's here. And that's hard, and

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty be hard to keep track of.

0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>The Lisa, and I asked, did you ever you all

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>had a very public love story, And in your story,

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking to about Kelly Rizzo, who someone we know

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>who the course, the wife of Bob Sagett. He was

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 1>a very beloved public figure and she actually came out

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.359
<v Speaker 1>it made a statement not too long ago, because she

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 1>was getting criticism because she was dating after he'd been

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>he passed a year and a half with two years years. Yeah,

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>but she even felt that she had to come out

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and make a statement about how lonely she was and

0:45:31.360 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>to almost she wasn't asking for permission, But I was

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 1>amazed that people were criticizing her for loving again or

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>dating again. But did you ever feel that kind of thing,

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>even internally or externally from folks that you all had

0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:48.799
<v Speaker 1>this public love story and people only want to think

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 1>about you two together, not you with somebody else.

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, And you know what, pretty quickly after Patrick died,

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 2>I remember hearing about both by there and Carol Joyce.

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:06.400
<v Speaker 2>So it's the author, brilliant author, and she she started

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>she like got married six months after her husband died,

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, in the world could you

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.839
<v Speaker 2>do that? You know how in the world? And then

0:46:14.960 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>as I went along, I went you go girl, good

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 2>for you, you know, And another another girlfriend of mine

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>says something wonderful life life is too short to not God.

0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to figure out I'm going to make up

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:38.439
<v Speaker 2>the first part, life is too short to not find

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 2>love and it's too long to be alone, so you know,

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 2>get on with it. And yes, I got a lot

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.719
<v Speaker 2>of flack. It's like, how dare you? And for you know,

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.919
<v Speaker 2>there's some pretty rabbit Patrick fans out there and who

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 2>think I'm evil, you know, just don't like me because

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I was married to him, and so I got there's

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:02.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of flat that came on that, a lot

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>of criticism and you know, you just learned to deal

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>with it and move on. So but you know, it's

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 2>like i'd like to I was so temped as so

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 2>many times you say, hey, hey, girlfriend, stand in my shoes.

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Tell me about it. Now, go ahead, tell me just

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:22.800
<v Speaker 2>because I lost my husband that I don't love them anymore.

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, It's like, how can I can just say that?

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, so ridiculous.

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:32.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's it's I think anyone who has any worth

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:34.880
<v Speaker 3>or value in your life knows who you are and

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:39.760
<v Speaker 3>sees that and knows that you can you can love again,

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't have anything to do with the love

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:45.080
<v Speaker 3>you had and still have for Patrick. And I love

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 3>that you're speaking out about it because so many people

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 3>are walking this path and so you sharing your experience

0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 3>is a huge comfort. I know just so many people,

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 3>and again, thank you so much for I mean, this

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 3>is not an easy subject. It is, but it's an

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 3>important one and just to really appreciate you lending your

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:05.360
<v Speaker 3>beautiful voice to it.

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's thank you so much. And I love sharing

0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 2>about it because I know when I've heard people share

0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:15.680
<v Speaker 2>their experiences how much it's meant to me. So I

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:17.719
<v Speaker 2>appreciate the opportunity to share it that.

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 1>It meant a lot to us personally. At least. Maybe

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>you've never listened to our podcast before, but several episodes

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 1>end up becoming therapy sessions for the two of us,

0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and I will say thank you from both of us

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>on a very personal level because I kid you not.

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.400
<v Speaker 1>On the train ride to the studio today, she and

0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I were struggling with something and something small, petty, but

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:43.080
<v Speaker 1>it had us kind of down down the dumps about

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 1>what was going on and we needed perspective and we

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 1>tried to get it on the walk away here and

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 1>tried to come out of it on our own. But

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:54.640
<v Speaker 1>you are exactly who we needed to talk to today to

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 1>to laugh, to cry, and to get a little perspective

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>back about life. Sometimes you need reminders. We so we

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 1>thank you for the therapy session today. You were very helpful.

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Great thank you