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Speaker 1: today we've been Sophia you because you said that. Go ahead. Guys. Normally,

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Speaker 1: A toast to Paul Johanson, who was our favorite wine

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Speaker 1: You were always our champion. You were like the cool

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Speaker 1: finish that, you know that. The point that I feel

427
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: about that is that no, no, truly you know, um

428
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: powerful and interesting, um sort of uh. I wouldn't call

429
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: him a villain, was in the villain. Dan's biggest secret,

430
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: which I will revie, is that he deeply loved both

431
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: Lucas and Nathan deeply, like so much that he pretended

432
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: not to. My goal in every scene was to love

433
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: them so much. But I have to be strong and

434
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: don't show them. That's what the that's the conflict in

435
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: me and all those When did you decide that? Really

436
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: early in season one, when I when I wasn't sure

437
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: how to play some scenes and how do I find depth?

438
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: How do I find depth? How do I find a

439
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: deeper value to this guy? I don't just want to play?

440
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: When I went to to to the to the writers

441
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: and I said, guys, I don't know. I mean, I

442
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I should have I would rather

443
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: have been Keith. And no, you don't want to be Keith.

444
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, he's gonna die. But the truth is

445
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: is they said, just trust us, trust us. But I

446
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: wanted to be more than just a bad guy. And

447
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: so the way that I thought would be interesting was

448
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: was to kind of go to that other value and go,

449
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: what is a bad guy really seen as the truth

450
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 1: is they're really freedom fighters and the countries we call

451
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: terrorists and all these other ideas, it's the opposite. So

452
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: how do I play the opposite value and still be

453
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: the bad guys? Will play? I play deep devotion of

454
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: everything I did was for was for Nathan's future. I

455
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: fought for his future. He doesn't know as I know,

456
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: so I'll take care of it for him. And then

457
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: in that way I crossed over into those boundaries. Yeah,

458
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: I think that's relatable for a lot of parents who

459
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: you know, we some a lot of parents have them.

460
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: The light switch goes on, you know where to set

461
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: the boundary between yourself and your child, And then there

462
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: are parents that don't know where that boundary line is

463
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: and they overstepped consistently because of this broken belief that

464
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: they know better and they don't know how to just

465
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: allow their child to have an independence. And you know,

466
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: you really, you really laid that out quite well. It's

467
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: actually really interesting because I'm realizing that the reason for

468
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: me that when we all watch the show and we

469
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: have these deep conversations while we're watching episodes, not even

470
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: when we're doing the podcast about Dan Scott, the image

471
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: that came to mind when you were explaining that to

472
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: me was was a fist, and you made a fist

473
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: out of love, but you still hit your kid. And

474
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: that's what I think hurts us all when we watch

475
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: him in these early years is it's like, God, you

476
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: just can't Dan Scott can't stop emotionally punching his kid.

477
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: But the reason that for some reason, we as viewers

478
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: so badly want him to redeem himself, we see something

479
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: in him, is that you didn't play it as just

480
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: a dad who was emotionally abusive to his kid. You

481
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: actually turned something broken in him into like the most

482
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: heartbreaking kind of a generational trauma where you're like, oh no,

483
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: he's doing the exact wrong thing. But that's why we

484
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: see something else in him, because it's motivated by something tender.

485
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: And to be able to hold that kind of complexity

486
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: for a character for how many years? Wow? What did

487
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: it do to your life to play this bad guy? Well,

488
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: like I remember going into the Dixie Grill in Wilmington's

489
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: to get like sloppy eggs, and it was back when

490
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: you could like still smoke inside and drinking coffee, and

491
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: like they had like a little like you know, display

492
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: case at the front of the store and they were

493
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: selling Dan Scott mugs there because you were the iconic

494
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, the guy that you love to hate. Um,

495
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: didn't you live right above them at that point too?

496
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: I loved that apartment. That was a good apartment, closer

497
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: to the wine I could be you know. Um, how

498
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: soon after the show launched did you start feeling, um,

499
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: feeling the feedback of plane Dan Scott. You know, this

500
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: was obviously again before a lot of the social media

501
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: was taking in, but there were some of those forums

502
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: in one that you could read about it, and I

503
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: tried not to. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, So when did

504
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: people start picking on you? I'm glad social media didn't. Well,

505
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: you guys. Know. I mean I I had that one

506
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: experience in New York. I had the girl in first

507
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: in on an airplane. UM move asked the stewards to

508
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 1: move her because she was sitting across from me, and

509
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: she and she was scared, and and I was like,

510
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, no, no, I'm just like I'm just a

511
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: Canadian guy. It often scares me sometimes that people do

512
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: not have a separation UM Channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

513
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: we really get that with our show in a way

514
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen for a lot of other peoples.

515
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: We blurred the line between in fact and fiction numerous times,

516
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, like Haley went out on tour, Joy went

517
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: out on tour, we did the Sun Kissed concerts, We

518
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: did the Sun Kissed concerts. You know, we blurred that

519
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: line so much that I understand why it's confusing for people.

520
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: We've been talking this morning about how, you know, we

521
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: have been critical of our own characters and also critical

522
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: of Lucas's character. Yeah, because what was normal for boy

523
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: behavior in two thousand three, you know, eighteen years later

524
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: is not acceptable behavior. You don't flirt with two girls

525
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: at the same time. You don't gaslight girls like and

526
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: people are really upset because they're like, how could you

527
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: betray Lucas? And I think Dan exemplifies this in a

528
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: really tangible way, because you can have someone who is

529
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: doing something inappropriate and it doesn't make them a terrible person,

530
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't make them beyond redemption. Peyton and Lucas are

531
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: still end game. But if they started off two perfect

532
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: people falling in love and perfectly being together for six years,

533
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: that would be a boring show. And life is messy

534
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: and that's part of just learning how to live your

535
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: life and grow up. Are we not allowed to be

536
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: messy people? Exactly? Are we supposed to be perfect all

537
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: the time? I'm not on board with that, And I

538
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: think this idea of perfectionism is really toxic. And I

539
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: think especially for us as women who have been very

540
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: open about things we've been through, when we see bad

541
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: behavior against women modeled, it's incredibly important to talk about it.

542
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: And duh, the whole point is that we're doing this

543
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: episode by episode. So if by the way, look at

544
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: how critical I've been a Brook, like, good God, the worst,

545
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: I want to be able to say that is not

546
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: acceptable behavior, and then look where she gets to go.

547
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: We know what's coming for Lucas he is to your

548
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: point two timing not just two girls best friends. It's

549
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: not okay at the stage we're at in the podcast

550
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: and the series rewatch, But I think what's cool is that,

551
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: and I think why our show has resonated with people

552
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: is that all of the people, even for their failings,

553
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: even for when they come up short, that character, my character,

554
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: our characters, they learn, they grow, they become better versions

555
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: of themselves. And my hope is that if we hold

556
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: them accountable, ourselves accountable, we can also encourage people to say, hey,

557
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: you're so much more than the worst thing you ever did.

558
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: Maybe you were in a bad stage of your life,

559
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: but look where you could go. You can get your

560
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: happy drive off into the sunset with your hot wife

561
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: and your kids like go after that came well. In

562
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: this episode, Dan is the hero because it's the episode

563
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: where there's the car crash where Keith has been drinking.

564
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: Chad's character is in a lot of trouble with his health,

565
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: and Dan is the one that steps up and says,

566
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm your dad and I'm going to sign off on

567
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: this surgery. And it is the first time we see

568
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: Karen look at Dan's character, perhaps the way she looked

569
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: at him in high school. In high school, I just

570
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: have to say, I know we're talking about this episode,

571
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: but Paul, in that scene in the last episode where

572
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: you look at the doctors and you say, do it,

573
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm his father, the three of us went literally but

574
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: the three of us all went on zoom, all at

575
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: the same time. We gasped. It was so powerful after

576
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: his behavior and and to that place into their conversation

577
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: about motivation behind the character love, you know, which helped

578
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: bring about the redemption in the end of the series.

579
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: So to hear you say that now after we just

580
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: watched that scene, we were so emotionally touched by it.

581
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: But now I feel like I understand it's in a

582
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: way that I I didn't before. That's beautiful. Something about

583
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: what you said earlier yourself about about this idea of

584
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: like this sort of like the jumping back and forth

585
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: with with with um. You know, you talked about Lucas

586
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: is dating two girls, and at the end of the

587
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: episode there's forgiveness everybody, you know, and I think the

588
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: one thing and this is sort of really relevant in

589
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: my life now, but this idea of forgiveness, forgiveness is

590
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: all undervalued nowadays, and it's so undervalued in artistry. It's

591
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: sounder value and taking chances in your life. Yes, mistakes,

592
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: we're going to say dumb jokes, we're going to un

593
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: you know, um, intentionally hurt people's feelings or do bad things.

594
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: But if we truly are looking to to sort of

595
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: move forward and evolved towards a sort of more perfect

596
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: being UM and towards a more perfect being, I think

597
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: this forgiveness factor is is completely way to get that.

598
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely you can't. You can't I have a functional society

599
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: without forgiveness, and you can't have a functioning society without communication.

600
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: Because look, we all, the four of us, we know

601
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: each other well enough. I know when any of you

602
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: is keeping a secret, having a rough day, or you

603
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: need a hug. But you look real professional up on

604
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: stage and a sun kiss event. So for face time

605
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: me the other day and she's like, you seemed real

606
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: fine on that zoom Hillary, what's going on? And I

607
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: was liked, And I think I think we can forget that.

608
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Not everyone out in the world speaks the same language

609
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: from the same emotional information that we do. And we've

610
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: been talking a lot. The three of us about how

611
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: we wish we'd had the tools when we were twenty

612
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: one to ask each other, Hey, I feel like you

613
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: feel this way about me? Is that true? Or hey

614
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: I heard a thing? Was that real? You know? If

615
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: we could have just asked? And and I want to

616
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: be very clear, there's there's a line between clearly abhorrent

617
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: and inappropriate and and you know, violent and biased behavior

618
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: and being messy, but also like where people come from culturally,

619
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: senses of humor, senses of humor that come from the

620
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: world of athletics versus from theater schools, they're very different,

621
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: and and being able to communicate and say that felt weird,

622
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Just let everybody grow together, because

623
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: someone then might say, oh, h well, my friends and

624
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: I used to make this joke all the time. And

625
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: then the person in the room who's new could go, ah, yeah,

626
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: I had someone make fun of me for that once,

627
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and and you go, oh, God, like, tell me more,

628
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: and then you bond. At the point right there is

629
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: when someone's intent is to grow and learn, They're going

630
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: to fumble along the way to grow and learn. So

631
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: would they go, hey, I feel like I might have

632
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: like of stuff right there gosh, I hope you understand

633
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that, and and and then go thank

634
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: you for saying that you go with me? And that's

635
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: how I'm with you? Are you are? Paul? Can I

636
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: tell a story. This is a story about you, and

637
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: it is a thing that I have like carried deep

638
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: in my heart. I don't even know if we've talked

639
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: about that. There was a day that you and I

640
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: and I genuinely, I'm going to be really honest, I

641
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: don't remember if we were in New York for press

642
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: or if we were just on the street in Wilmington's,

643
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: but we would go out a lot, and it was daytime.

644
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I remember because because I was shocked by the behavior

645
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: in the light of day, and you and I were

646
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: walking down the street and your airplane story made me

647
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: think of this. A lady past us and went you.

648
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: She gasped and we both looked, and it was like

649
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: something took over her body. And I'll never forget. She

650
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: had one of those like you know, Kate's bade bags

651
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: with the straps, and she went h and as she

652
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: was scoffing at you, she pulled her bag off her shoulder,

653
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: and it was a bag with a zip top so

654
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: she could swing it. And she started swinging her bag

655
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: and hitting you over and over and she literally went,

656
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: you are such a bad dad. No, she was hitting

657
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: him in the arm with this bag, and Paul, I'll

658
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: never forget because this was the clarity of many things

659
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: for me with you, your generosity of spirit, your understanding

660
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: of expectation, and your deep awareness from having been an

661
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: athlete of what your size conveys to people. You you,

662
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: you looked so shocked. I saw the hurt on your face.

663
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: And then as she kept smacking you, I watched you

664
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: have a thought, take a deep breath, stand up a

665
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: little taller, and you literally you gave this woman who

666
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: watched our show what she wanted because she thought of

667
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: you as Dan Scott. And you made a choice and

668
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: you leaned in and you said, yeah, I am a

669
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: bad dad, and you winked at her, and she all

670
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the spell was broken, and she started laughing.

671
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: And then she patted you on the forearm and said, oh,

672
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: you're just so good. And then she watched to watch

673
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: and you, guys, it was the wildest thing. Because I

674
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: watched a person assault our friend. I think it was

675
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: okay because he was a big, physically big man. And

676
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: and then you. I saw how much it hurt you

677
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: and how quickly you decided to be kind to her

678
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: instead of to be honest about how you felt. And

679
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: you and you made it into this moment. And I

680
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: bet that woman I told that story for eighteen years.

681
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: Oh he's so sexy. Oh you what he said to me?

682
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, I am a bad dad baby like

683
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm you know, And I've never forgotten it. And it

684
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: it made me always see you and the way that

685
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: you could see what people needed and give it to them,

686
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: whether it was a hug or like you put on

687
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: the Dan Scott hat. You always have been willing to

688
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: give people the thing that you can see they're aiming for.

689
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: And and it it is to me a signal of

690
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: such intuition and empathy. And I think it's very rare.

691
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a thing people know about

692
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: the hot dad from TV who's real good at basketball.

693
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: Daddy I talk about you is a bad husband. Because

694
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: we've had Barbara on the show and in the earlier episodes,

695
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: your chemistry together is really fun to watch and it's

696
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: going to go bad. But then your chemistry with Moira

697
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: was on display in this episode, and so had you

698
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: worked with either of them before? Did you know the

699
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: women I auditioned, um, the women potential women to be

700
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: Dan's wife to be, and um there was no competition

701
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: for her when she walked into the room and her

702
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: she was it. I mean you could just tell. I

703
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: mean as she walked in the room and we just

704
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: all went do we need to read perfect? She was

705
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: and she Have you ever met somebody that was so

706
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: easy to be around on the set, like just a

707
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: joy to be Barbara? Yeah, we've met that person. It's Barbara. Yeah,

708
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: I mean she was literally one of the easiest people

709
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: to show up with the noman like a real pro. Yeah.

710
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: Always knew her lines, always, always kind of could figure

711
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: out what the blocking was, never the right. She's a

712
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: dame a long time ago on a movie and saladly

713
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: would come every day. She would never go to a trailer.

714
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: She would sit on the set in her chair, she

715
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: did this needle point. She was just there and with

716
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: her whom knew, and she was amazing and dev reminded

717
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: me a lot of that kind of of a you

718
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: know that sort of like really took the job seriously,

719
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: but didn't take themselves too seriously. Ferish person. Um with

720
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: with Moira. I saw Moira in the late eighties on

721
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: a dance floor in a nightclub in Hollywood everything. Where

722
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: were you? What was she wearing? I just finished watching

723
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: um uh the what's the hockey movie? The We used

724
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: to say it behind her back all the time. We'd

725
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: be like, can we tell her? Can we tell her?

726
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: Can we say topic to her? Don't say it'll don't Well.

727
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: I had additioned for that for that be swinging role.

728
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: A couple of times I didn't get it. And I

729
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: saw her on the dance for and my jaw dropped.

730
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: I was like, that person's a movie stars. She's got it,

731
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, she has that thing. And then she was

732
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: in down his movie chaplain, Oh yeah, that's right, And

733
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: um I really wanted to go to the set and

734
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: see that, but they were shooting in London. Um and

735
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: um she so. I always wanted to work with her,

736
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: and she just brings a real savvy intellectualism about her,

737
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: like she always you see her thinking on camera, which

738
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: I love. Yes, editing room and you have an actress

739
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: who is thinking, and you're going they're thinking. I gotta

740
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: cut to this person and so all the time because

741
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: it's so interesting. So it's a way to steal scheme.

742
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: She also very rarely changed lines. Moira, I'm noticing that

743
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: as we watch back, which there's a lot of things

744
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: where I'm like, man, if I had to say that dialogue,

745
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: I definitely would have put up a little stink like

746
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, I'm gonna say it this way,

747
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, which you know in some on some characters,

748
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: in some in some just too much champagne guys jobs

749
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: with some characters, that works, it works. They want you

750
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: to bring your own flavor, flavor to the But when

751
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: I watched her, she has made all of that dialogue

752
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: work without changing it, and it's pretty great. It's inspiring,

753
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: it is she She just has such a grace. Yeah, yeah,

754
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: time and Paul, I know we said it, but it

755
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: really bears repeating that. At the end of this episode,

756
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: when Karen walks into the dealer Shoe to think Dan,

757
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: we all were like, oh God, look at them, Look

758
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: at them looking at each other, Look at them looking

759
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: at each other. It was some sexual tension there, for sure.

760
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: It was firelight, hot heat and I was like, I

761
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: need to know so much more about Dan and Karen. Yeah,

762
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. When you were in

763
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: high school? Who was your type? Hal? Was it Brooke

764
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: Hailey or Peyton? What was your what was your flavor? Um?

765
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: So I was a late bloomer. I was. I didn't

766
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: even until after high school. Good for you, Good for you,

767
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: same buddy, same. Yeah, I was. I know this is

768
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: gonna sound a little weird, but I wasn't sure what

769
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: my life was going to be in a part of

770
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: me thought I might want to become a priest. So

771
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: wait what I didn't know what You don't know that,

772
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: of course I knew, think, Oh my god, No, I

773
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: didn't know. Uh, And I was. I was quite serious

774
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: about my where my heart was, about what I wanted.

775
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: But then I found out that I would not be

776
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: able to have a family. Non starter for me. I

777
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: want to be a dad. Yeah you know, I mean obviously,

778
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: my my, my, my faith has changed a lot over

779
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: my lifetime and my years, my experiences and and but

780
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: but you know the truth is I just wasn't sure

781
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to give all of that to a human

782
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: being because I was giving it to something greater. I

783
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: thought what I was attracted to was I was attracted to, Um,

784
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm an odd dude. I'm really weird. Nobody knows better

785
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: than Joyce, my counselor the very last twenty years on

786
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: on my my dating in scabates. But I picked very strange.

787
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: And the truth is, and here's a real big reveal,

788
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, I've realized that, you know,

789
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: through my conditioning as a very very um you know,

790
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: which brings us back to the Danner character a little bit,

791
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: is that you know, I'm the child of a very

792
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: very violent man. My father was very violent, and it

793
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: was at any extre and he was a bad drinker,

794
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: and he was he was a mean drunk, and he

795
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: was very very violent. And he wasn't just volent to me,

796
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: he was violent to my sister, my mom. All he

797
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: found his God and quit drinking, and the last years

798
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: of his if he never had to drop of alcohol.

799
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: But when I was young, growing up until I was

800
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: like fourteen years old, it was coming home and hiding

801
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: in the closet, not knowing when he pulled who he's

802
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: going to beat up that night. So it was so

803
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I have inside of me this trauma bond with so

804
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: my my mom, my dad. I wasn't protected by my

805
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: mom from a raging drunk and I wasn't predicted by

806
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: my dad by you know, uh, you know, a mom

807
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: who was sort of a sleep at wheel leting it happen.

808
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: You should have taken us away, you know, protected us.

809
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: So my relationships with with with the other sex has

810
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: been very about not having trust. I don't trust you're

811
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: going to take care of me because she didn't. My life,

812
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: have I discovered why I've I've hadn't been a good

813
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: partner because I can't blame the other people. I have

814
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: to blame myself when I'm not a good partner because

815
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: either I chose poorly orright where I wasn't prepared to

816
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: be holy healed from that. So my choices have not

817
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: been that good. When I was a young boy, I

818
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: was always attracted to people that I thought were um

819
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: odd and quirky and mousey and nebbish and school bookish

820
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: and safe. Safe. Yeah. I wasn't attracted to people that

821
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: would challenge me because I know I would react because

822
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: challenging and fighting not he Oh yeah, wow, So now

823
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: you guys out there all know why We can sit

824
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: with Paul Johansson for hours on everything with wine and

825
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: great food or just on a park bench, and you

826
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: just never get tired of talking with him the best.

827
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: We love you so much. You Yeah, You're so open,

828
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: and it gives us permission to be open, and you know,

829
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: it has set a really good example for us. And

830
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: what was oftentimes a toxic environment, you were a person

831
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: that we could look to and be like, well, Paul's

832
00:48:52,040 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: still standing, and I think something really incredible, And I

833
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: imagine for the folks who are you know listening along

834
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: with us having this conversation. The first of all, your

835
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: generosity and being willing to share your story, both your

836
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: personal story and also how you chose to inform the

837
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: on screen character, who I would imagine was very informed

838
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: by the way you grew up. M you you played

839
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: a character who I bet on you know, some silly

840
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: you know dot com list would be listed as like

841
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: a toxic villain from TV. And yet you are sitting

842
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: here being the actual living proof of how a person

843
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: can undo a generational inheritance of toxic masculinity, can examine

844
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: h really dangerous environment that they were raised in and say, oh,

845
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: I have been drawn to hectic, frenetic energy. I'm not

846
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: going to do that. I want to be a dad.

847
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: I want to change my life. I want to heal

848
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: the child in me so that I can be a

849
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: good a good parent to the child. I'm going to

850
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: have you. You are such a god damnit, Paul. You

851
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: are such a good dad. And Paul you you were

852
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: that for us, like you were our safe space. And

853
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: I know that people used your athletic body and strong job,

854
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: which is so god damn it, that strong job, but

855
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: they used it as an excuse to sometimes hate you.

856
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: With purses and project all of that. Dan Scott bullsheit

857
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: onto you. But you were literally at times a human

858
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: shield for us. You stepped in and you've got in

859
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: the way and you protected us and emotionally you I mean,

860
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: you were always the north star. And to know the

861
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: friend that you are to us and the father that

862
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: you are to your son and the may and that

863
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: you were as a leader, not only as an actor

864
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: but a director on our set, you made everybody laugh.

865
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: You charmed the goddamn grins off everybody's faces. My parents

866
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: thought I was going to run away with They were like,

867
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: what's happening? But you. You did it, carrying this legacy

868
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 1: and you've done the work. Like gentlemen, take notes, Get

869
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: it together, ladies, line up. We love you probably. Thank

870
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: you so much for coming and being a part of this.

871
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me be a part of this.

872
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: You guys, whatever do you want to come back? Come

873
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: back all the time? Like which episode? Oh my god,

874
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: like three men and a baby and it's just the

875
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: three of us in pol forever? Are you ready? You

876
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: guys have so much going on right now. It's every

877
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: one of you was so busy. I mean, it's unbelievable.

878
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: What's happening with you guys. You're like this power We

879
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: joking that we're like Captain Planet. We got back together

880
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: and were together. What episode do you want to come

881
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: back for? Shoot your shot? Which what's your favorite? You

882
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: have to look, I mean I watched this episode and

883
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: I was so impressed with you know. What I thought

884
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: was they laid the groundwork for really good like a

885
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: really good yarn. Like there's this episode. There was a

886
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: scene in there where James comes and talks to a

887
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: comatose Chad. Yes, so good, good on you man, like

888
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: good beautiful you know, James, you know is a very strong,

889
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, human being, and he and he brings stoicism

890
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: to it and and you know, and depth. And I

891
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: love the Karen and deb scene where they talk, you know,

892
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: and and really share for a moment. That's and it

893
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: sort of builds this whole, you know. I love that

894
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of some more time in the

895
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: early seasons with with some of the older actors. You know,

896
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: I wish they kept doing that more expensive Paul that

897
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what had happened, but I didn't. I don't,

898
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I'm glad everything it has to

899
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: be evolved. It is. And even Barry was lovely when

900
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't he so good? We'll think about think about

901
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: what episode you would want to come back for let

902
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: us know. But before we let you know, we have

903
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: to spin a wheel. And this wheel is most likely too.

904
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Speaker 1: These are aust of perlatives, so that we've got a

905
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: whole collection of possible questions. We decided to just own

906
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: the high school yearbook, you know what I mean. Most

907
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: likely to be late to their own wedding, Oh geez,

908
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: which could be character or an actor? Yes, you know,

909
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: if anyone from the show a character or an actor

910
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: would be late to their own wedding. I mean I

911
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Dan Scott quick story. I was directing

912
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 1: the episode in the woodhouse. Remember where we're all out

913
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: in the cabin, Yes, with Rachel's parents Cates. I loved

914
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: that place. We're there, we're getting ready to shoot the scene,

915
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: and everybody in it it was like it was like nightmare. Yeah,

916
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: it was brutal, and we're about ready to shoot and

917
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: the last two people waiting for for our Joy and Sophia.

918
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: We're waiting and we're waiting, and we go and finally

919
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember what was the first eight was a

920
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: k or was it Chad? I think it was Chad

921
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: Graves to our first, that should we take bets Son,

922
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: who's going to be here first. He's out to secretly

923
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 1: follow you as you left your and we had announcements

924
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: on this set. We were all sitting, Oh my god,

925
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm so mortified, and we're going to go. Okay, Sophia's

926
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: out of our trailer. She's wanting she's got a phone call,

927
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: and everyone goes. I was like, why was I late?

928
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: Was I walking in any what was I doing? And

929
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: then to the phone call so how do people were

930
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: waiting for Joy to be late? For you to be

931
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: late to weear I'm in a competition. So then she's

932
00:54:53,600 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna she turned towards the craft cable. Then it starts

933
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: to walk again, another call and goes oh, and then

934
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Joy Joy forgot some of the craft was she's going

935
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: back for by the way, you know what, I bet,

936
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: I bet you and I are watching going We'll clearly

937
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: nobody's on set because she's over there. Well, she's over there,

938
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, I'm just gonna take my sweet

939
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: ass time. That's horrifying. Oh god, I'm so sorry. Who won? Yeah?

940
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: Who did? Do you remember who got to step first?

941
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Joy was last crewed? Food wins over everything. I would

942
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: forget to pick my kid up from school. When you

943
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: guys got to the set and clapp and you were like,

944
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: what's that? I remember? I remember the whole crew like

945
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: bursting out into applause and like the confused look on

946
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: your face is like, what's going on? Oh my god?

947
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: That's the reason I was because I was kissing a

948
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: crew member, like I was always on set. I like

949
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: that about you. I do remember, though, there was always

950
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: that thing because there were so many of us all

951
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: the time where somebody would be because they always tell

952
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: you they're ready for you before they are, so they'd

953
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: be ready for you. And then you go to set

954
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: and sit around for twenty minutes. I'm like, I could

955
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: have had a snack. So then we started doing at

956
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: the table. Honestly, you're not wrong, but we started doing

957
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: this thing, which, in hindsight I realized it was probably

958
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: pretty terrible where you'd look around and see which of

959
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: your co workers was also dawdling and be like, well,

960
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: clearly they're not actually ready for us, because look at

961
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: us all out here staying and playing with our dogs,

962
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 1: like oh God, the phone calls and peanut butter. God,

963
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: bless God, bless Paul. You are a prince. I am

964
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: glad that you're listening. Audience knows the real you underneath

965
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: the dance god at all. If you see Paul in

966
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: real life, hug him, tell him wonderful he is. And

967
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: if you hit Paul in real life, I'll hit you back. Ready,

968
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: but I'm ready now to love you. I'll see you

969
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: for dinner on Friday night. I Oh, ladies and gentlemen,

970
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: you got to experience a real treat that was just

971
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: a small glimpse into many, many a night that we

972
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: shared with every time. So I guess next week we'll

973
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about this past episode that

974
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: we didn't really die to. It's worth it to. Lucas

975
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: was on a colma the whole time, talking about, Oh wait,

976
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: you know what I could do? I take notes while

977
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: we watch Let's do rapid fire. We're gonna do rapid fire, guys.

978
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: So this is how we do this podcast. We take

979
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: notes of what we saw words. So here's my notes, guys. Okay,

980
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: did Uncle Keith ever go to rehab? Oh my god,

981
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: there were answering machines. Yeah, Hailey was the queen of boundaries.

982
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Brook showing up in tears and

983
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: introducing herself to care and open enjoy burst out laughing,

984
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and we realized it was a hilarious moment in the

985
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: tragedy of it all. Brooke is such a good girl,

986
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: it really is. Um the pause were you drinking before

987
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: you drove? Lucas, I was dead with the picnic basket

988
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: in the hospital. Hilarious, That was beautiful. Um. And realizing

989
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: that Keith, in that blink of an eye, knew his

990
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: whole future ended. Peyton sane, I'll wait forever if I

991
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: have to. Just six seasons, girl, just six years. Endgame

992
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: is coming. It was always in the script. Also, Lucas

993
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: talked to his mom about Peyton, but not brookely. Then

994
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: Karen's Karen says best friends can forgive each other anything.

995
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: I can't hear that. How sweet it was that the

996
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: boys were waiting for news of Lucas at the river court.

997
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: It was like a little gathering. And what about the

998
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: another Beamy classic, Haley hat lord Um, the sweet moment

999
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: about love on the rooftop. It makes me think about

1000
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: years later the idea of context gives a speech at

1001
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: Nathan and Haley's wedding about like love is not love,

1002
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: that something about changing in context. I don't know that.

1003
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: Shakespeare made me think about that, and like, oh, there

1004
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: was always such a love there, the two of you

1005
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: sharing the moment basically saying like we know what it

1006
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: is to love Lucas but in different contexts go off.

1007
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: But I say one last thing, what does deb need forgiveness? For?

1008
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: What is it right? And the Ryl Crow song montage

1009
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: at the end, good God Row Crows, perfect, guys, We

1010
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: love you. Thank you. Every time Paul comes, we probably

1011
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: won't talk about the episode, and we're guessing that these

1012
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: will be our most popular episodes of the show, so

1013
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1014
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1016
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