Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
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Speaker 2: And we are live from the DNC again with an
Speaker 2: absolutely insane lineup of people who will tell you such
Speaker 2: interesting things about what's going on in America.
Speaker 3: Rep.
Speaker 2: Don Bayer stops by to tell us why he's in
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Speaker 2: World about how VP Harris changes the game. Ben Many Routtinall,
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Speaker 2: But first we have the host of the Enemy's List,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Few Fast Politics, My buddy Rick Wilson.
Speaker 4: Hello, Molly John Fast. We are both on the same
Speaker 4: West coach right now.
Speaker 1: We are on our West Coast leg of our blockbuster tour.
Speaker 4: Yes we are, and it is and folks, if you're
Speaker 4: looking for information on our blockbuster tour. It's politics as unusual.
Speaker 4: Dot bio bio move quickly because to our surprise, people
Speaker 4: actually want to hear us do our hi juice and
Speaker 4: for volity on stage, and it's selling out fast. I'm
Speaker 4: very importned by that.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this and you're in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: because this comes out tomorrow, you can come tonight and
Speaker 1: listen to us in San Francisco. There are tickets. Look
Speaker 1: on our social media. We both have been tweeting about it, We've.
Speaker 4: Been reading about it. People were sick of us.
Speaker 1: I think there are very few tickets, but there certainly
Speaker 1: are one or two. On Tuesday, we are in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and a few tickets left for that too, we think,
Speaker 1: though who knows, but check it out. So Rick Wilson,
Speaker 1: we are gonna do two seconds sort of wrap up
Speaker 1: on the convention, and then we have a lot of other.
Speaker 5: Stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's important to talk about the
Speaker 1: convention because even though we were both there, so we
Speaker 1: have been like living in I want you to talk
Speaker 1: about this because you have so much more experience with
Speaker 1: this and have been at so many conventions and also
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of No.
Speaker 4: I was at a couple of Democratic conventions on the
Speaker 4: spin team for the Republicans.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, that's why I say on the wrong
Speaker 1: side of it, but I thought so as a partisan
Speaker 1: on the opinion side, it felt to me like, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe the speeches could have been a little shorter, but
Speaker 1: ultimately it could not have gone any better.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of speeches being the right length, the fact
Speaker 4: that Vice President Harris delivered a thirty eight minute speech
Speaker 4: instead of a ninety two minute speech, it makes it difference.
Speaker 4: I mean, Dorobald Trump on his acceptance speech and I
Speaker 4: couldn't remember a single detail from it other than me, me, me.
Speaker 5: And how long did Harris speak?
Speaker 4: For thirty eight it was perfect. It was right on
Speaker 4: the money, and people need to remember we live in
Speaker 4: a shorter attention span world than most speech writers myself
Speaker 4: including grew up. Yet Right always makes the key mistake
Speaker 4: in his speeches of going full cast going for like
Speaker 4: its for the audience starts to suffer from dehydration.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I definitely he goes bolcastro. I would almost
Speaker 1: say he goes full Mussolini.
Speaker 4: It is rather Mussolini asked. But look, I will say
Speaker 4: this about this convention. Molly, as an observer of these things,
Speaker 4: is an attendee of many of these things. The only
Speaker 4: people who were complaining at this convention were the media
Speaker 4: and Obo, who.
Speaker 1: I'm very conflicted because I am a member of the
Speaker 1: mainstream media, and I also know how imboardant the mainstream
Speaker 1: media is to democracy, and I do think that the
Speaker 1: DNC did not treat them with the kind of reverence
Speaker 1: that perhaps they are used to. I also feel like
Speaker 1: the mainstream media has been equally virulent towards anti democracy
Speaker 1: and we want to give free breakfast.
Speaker 4: The attitude by some folks in the press that was,
Speaker 4: you know, she won't sit down for a four hour interview,
Speaker 4: she won't do this, she won't do that. I guess
Speaker 4: somebod that was taking it out on her for that.
Speaker 4: But this is not a campaign, Molly, with two normal candidates.
Speaker 4: It's a campaign with one guy who is compactive, detached,
Speaker 4: realery and.
Speaker 5: Also wants to end American democracy. Like he's crazy. But
Speaker 5: he was crazy in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Now he's ready to end the American experiment and his
Speaker 1: people are with him.
Speaker 3: They are.
Speaker 4: And my take on the speech itself was it was
Speaker 4: one of the most important speeches in modern political history.
Speaker 4: She in thirty eight minutes, managed to illustrate the stakes
Speaker 4: for the country, diminish and condemn Trump in the appropriate way,
Speaker 4: and to show a new way forward for the Democratic
Speaker 4: Party on how to run and win and how to
Speaker 4: expand with coalition. You know, there are a lot of
Speaker 4: my former you know, Republicans and fellow you never Trumpers.
Speaker 4: During that speech, all of our chats were burning up, like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, this
Speaker 4: is amazing. And it really spoke to me that a
Speaker 4: lot of the sort of gentry Republicans who are, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't like Trump's greets, but I do like his policy.
Speaker 4: A lot of those people were the most outraged by
Speaker 4: the speech. How dare she talk about freedom? How dares
Speaker 4: she talk about strength? That's not her had a very
Speaker 4: stoppy foot kind of piece in the journal about it,
Speaker 4: which tells you it was effective, which tells you it
Speaker 4: was the right way.
Speaker 5: To approach it.
Speaker 4: So look, I think that I think the convention, in
Speaker 4: terms of its optics, in terms of its composition of
Speaker 4: the speakers, including a lot of former Republicans who are
Speaker 4: voting Democratic now, really sends a signal to the country.
Speaker 4: They did not fall into what I call the Benetton
Speaker 4: trap of the Democratic Party, which for years has been
Speaker 4: sort of every single interest group has to have all
Speaker 4: of its things on the stage all the time. And
Speaker 4: by showing America that you can be a Democrat and
Speaker 4: be patriotic, that you can shout USA, USA, or you
Speaker 4: can wave an American flag and not feel like MAGA
Speaker 4: owns it. That's a really important message coming out of
Speaker 4: this because the ownership in the culture of the symbols
Speaker 4: and signifiers of American history and American political life are
Speaker 4: things that people love. If all of the Republicans use them,
Speaker 4: fly them, talk about them, you know, it goes back
Speaker 4: to the old white, pale Pastel's problem for the Democrats,
Speaker 4: and they've gotten away from it at long last. And
Speaker 4: I think it has had an enormously powerful effect on
Speaker 4: where the ticket is right now, where the campaign is
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think that when you watch, it's pretty interesting
Speaker 1: to watch these Republicans get mad about it when they
Speaker 1: gave it away. Donald Trump gave away patriotism. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: ran on America's lescape. He ran on you know, suckers
Speaker 1: and losers as I mean, you know, as much as
Speaker 1: he backed away from it, he also ran on it
Speaker 1: American isolationism.
Speaker 5: That was how he got here.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not conflicted, but I do think
Speaker 1: that speech was not a speech for the Democratic base,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because you know, she's trying to win
Speaker 1: a general election here and you saw some people that
Speaker 1: were on the far left were mad about some of
Speaker 1: the elements in it. But here's the fundamental problem, and
Speaker 1: it's what is currently sinking Donald Trump. And it's a
Speaker 1: problem for all political candidates, which is you have to
Speaker 1: appeal to your base but then grow your electorate. And
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is just you know, in twenty sixteen, somehow
Speaker 1: he managed to sneak it through the you know, sort
Speaker 1: of win by just embracing his base and saying fuck
Speaker 1: you to everyone else. And now you can't keep winning
Speaker 1: elections like that, and that is where Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: stuck in. I mean, I think a really interesting thing
Speaker 1: that we saw today, which just spoke to me, was
Speaker 1: in playbook this morning.
Speaker 5: Right, Donald Trump is now pivoted to be pro choice.
Speaker 4: The Donald Trump truth the other day of my administration
Speaker 4: be great for women's rights.
Speaker 1: I'm like women's reproductives, great ups what.
Speaker 5: What Yeah, that was incredible. So they had Lyla Rose.
Speaker 1: Who was the founder of the anti abortion group Live Action.
Speaker 1: Complete lunatic only is it not principled. It's not going
Speaker 1: to help Trump campaign to be trying to sound like
Speaker 1: a Democrat.
Speaker 5: Right now, yesterday and.
Speaker 4: The day before, Donald Trump has been on truth social NonStop.
Speaker 4: He has been flailing around NonStop. Now having been on
Speaker 4: the road now for a couple of weeks. The things
Speaker 4: I've been hearing out of the Trump world. There was
Speaker 4: a senior Trump person who's a meaningful part of their
Speaker 4: campaign who actually took three days off last week. And really,
Speaker 4: I'm off in Trump World right now when the building
Speaker 4: is on fire and the occupant is spreading gas around
Speaker 4: it everywhere. I mean, this thing is teetering, and I
Speaker 4: don't want people to get cocky, and I want people
Speaker 4: to overestimate where we are. It will still be a
Speaker 4: brutal race, guys. There are still a lot of money
Speaker 4: that will come out for him in the end. There's
Speaker 4: still a lot of fuckery occurring. A lot of them
Speaker 4: are counting on corruption in election offices like in Georgia
Speaker 4: and elsewhere to pull out a fake win in the end.
Speaker 4: So I don't want people to be complacent, but right now,
Speaker 4: everything they've thrown at Harrison Walls has failed. Everything they've
Speaker 4: tried the new to reset Trump has failed. Everything they've
Speaker 4: tried to do to rebuild his momentum has failed. You know,
Speaker 4: on Friday, when Tony Fabrizio, his polster, Toney the pollster,
Speaker 4: came out with that poll that made you know, even
Speaker 4: the guys at Rasmus and go, whoa easy their pal
Speaker 4: So seven points in Arizona. Okay, cool, Yeah, that's where
Speaker 4: it is. But when you see them trying to manage
Speaker 4: him that way, and you see him able to control
Speaker 4: his impulses and his statements and trying to spend things
Speaker 4: that are unspinnable, and trying to get back the mojo
Speaker 4: he had in sixteen on social media where he could
Speaker 4: tweet something and then the Clinton campaign would respond with
Speaker 4: like a fourteen page memo about the tweet. People would
Speaker 4: be freaked out and it would be the top of
Speaker 4: the news and all that other shit. But look, he's
Speaker 4: also facing up some stuff that he is really really
Speaker 4: going to break him. The Federal Reserve is going to
Speaker 4: cut rates, Gas prices at the barrel are plunged, right now.
Speaker 4: The reason you're paying a lot for gas is not
Speaker 4: because of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. It's because gas
Speaker 4: prices up the barrelhead have been low, and gas companies
Speaker 4: have been working. You. We're such a low point that
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to that they're going to cut prices significantly.
Speaker 4: You're going to end up at the by the rest
Speaker 4: of the whatever's left of the summer and end of
Speaker 4: the fall, with inflation going down, your rates going down,
Speaker 4: and gas going down. You just took away one of
Speaker 4: the underlying predicates of Donald Trump's.
Speaker 5: Campaign, right right, No, no, exactly.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about RFK because Jesse wants us to
Speaker 1: talk about RFK.
Speaker 5: I want to never talk about RFK.
Speaker 4: How did RFK get locked in that room with five
Speaker 4: rabbit wolves? Man?
Speaker 6: That was really word.
Speaker 5: The wolves struck back.
Speaker 1: But no, it's not funny to talk about terrible things
Speaker 1: happening to people, you know.
Speaker 5: But let's talk about RFK for a minute.
Speaker 1: RFK has i supposedly and again we are talking about
Speaker 1: things that RFK has self reported, So take all of
Speaker 1: this with a grain of salt. But he said that
Speaker 1: he had wanted to meet with Harris, and she had refused.
Speaker 1: I think that is a good call on her part
Speaker 1: if true.
Speaker 4: Do you know why she refused because she's a lawyer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: she knew that what he was doing was say, I
Speaker 4: want to meet with you to fight, figure out what
Speaker 4: position you'll give me when I quit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, look, I am not one of those people who
Speaker 4: thinks that Donald Trump is going to get indicted on
Speaker 4: whatever statutory restriction that comes under by the time the
Speaker 4: election rolls around. But I should just remind you he
Speaker 4: does not mind.
Speaker 5: Criming, right right, No, No, he's a good trade of criming.
Speaker 1: And also he never gets held accountable, unlike Harris, who does.
Speaker 1: Because if there's one thing we've learned in Trump's America,
Speaker 1: so Trump can get away with anything and no one
Speaker 1: else can, not even his people.
Speaker 4: Molly, Can I just say something about that? That's the
Speaker 4: double standard that I have. You know, it's not just
Speaker 4: both sides in them, Okay, Right, It's like, why hasn't
Speaker 4: Vice President Harris produced a nine hundred page plan on
Speaker 4: climate change or a page plan on healthcare or whatever
Speaker 4: it is. Why won't she personally brief us on every
Speaker 4: detail on page forty seven of the Climate and Donald
Speaker 4: Trump goes out and says, I'm going to throw my
Speaker 4: shit all over the place like a monkey in a zoo,
Speaker 4: and they go, oh, yes, Well, Trump's policies are very
Speaker 4: clearly understood by the voters, and I mean right.
Speaker 5: But look, there's quite a lot of that.
Speaker 1: Yes, but Jesse really wants us to talk about what
Speaker 1: OURFK Junior are leaving the race means. And the reality
Speaker 1: is people will tell you a lot of bullshit, but
Speaker 1: nobody really knows right. So on Friday, someone very smart
Speaker 1: politically said to me, oh, it's going to hurt her.
Speaker 1: But then this weekend I saw some poll ling and
Speaker 1: writing that said, actually, it may not do anything. So
Speaker 1: the reality is we don't really know what it's going
Speaker 1: to do. It could hurt her, it could not hurt her.
Speaker 4: If RFK Junior was a beloved son of the Kennedy family,
Speaker 4: a symbolic through line of the legacy of the Kennedys
Speaker 4: RFK and JFK, it would be something. But what we
Speaker 4: saw from RFK as he unwound this campaign, Let's not
Speaker 4: forget he was put in the campaign because Bannon and
Speaker 4: Stone and Tucker and others said, if you do this,
Speaker 4: it'll fuck Joe Biden. There's a core paper trail on that.
Speaker 4: During the course of his campaign, he was talking to
Speaker 4: a group of people who are Trump voters to some degree,
Speaker 4: the conspiracy nuts. But he was also trying to maintain
Speaker 4: this I'm the do good or independent bullshit, which was
Speaker 4: awkward and false all the time, but none of it
Speaker 4: was really working at scale. Right.
Speaker 5: He was doing better before he started campaign.
Speaker 4: He was doing better before people started knowing that he
Speaker 4: was RFK junior. While the dead bear and the falconry
Speaker 4: and the drugs and all the other weird shit, while
Speaker 4: those things were all sort of background noise to it,
Speaker 4: I don't think people hadn't fully internalized that this guy
Speaker 4: is pro polio. This guy is truly a dark bad guy.
Speaker 4: And when I see his polio folks, he doesn't just
Speaker 4: oppose MNRA vaccines. He opposes all vaccines.
Speaker 5: Yes he does.
Speaker 4: If you worked to kidd an iron lung of Republican Barbaria,
Speaker 4: probably have you noticed how much the magas are trying
Speaker 4: to make RFK a thing. It's all che everything's different now,
Speaker 4: the whole election has been turned right down. We went
Speaker 4: and get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: I think That's a really important point too, is that
Speaker 1: Republicans keep saying like this is a game changer, and
Speaker 1: this change is in the election that but ultimately we
Speaker 1: don't really know what it does.
Speaker 4: We have some initial brush fire stuff on it. We're
Speaker 4: not really seeing this as changing the ballgame because a
Speaker 4: lot of RFK voters, it turns out, are in states
Speaker 4: where the decisions already made. We know how that state's
Speaker 4: could already go. They're not as prevalent as a percentage
Speaker 4: of the voting population in a lot of the swing
Speaker 4: states as they are in a few places where he's
Speaker 4: much more popular. And look, all of the panic over RFK,
Speaker 4: I think is going to fade in comparison to the
Speaker 4: fact that RFK said Trump wants me to meet his
Speaker 4: running mate Donald Trump. Literally you tweeted a thing about
Speaker 4: calling the two of them that ticket. If I were Jadvan,
Speaker 4: I'd get a food taster, some level four body armor,
Speaker 4: and I'd up my security procedures.
Speaker 5: Do we think that Trump?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the ballots are already No.
Speaker 4: No, they're mostly printed. Oh, by the way, that's the
Speaker 4: other part of this. RFK is going to come off
Speaker 4: the ballot in a lot of states. He's going to
Speaker 4: stay on the ballot in a lot of states too,
Speaker 4: And if he stays on the ballot, that's no good
Speaker 4: for Trump. He doesn't get to like at the end
Speaker 4: of it, I'm giving my votes to Trump after the
Speaker 4: election's over. That's not how any of this works.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good point, Rick Wilson.
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Speaker 1: a crazy commute to work, right.
Speaker 7: It's a crazy commute. And more members of Congress, the staffs,
Speaker 7: the retired members, a more peace scorps volunteers, more generals.
Speaker 6: That it's a very politics is our cottage industry?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's something, So let's talk about You wanted
Speaker 1: to understand AI, so you went back to college.
Speaker 5: What does that explain?
Speaker 7: Well, I wanted to understand it for a long time
Speaker 7: because I was just fascinated with the idea that we're
Speaker 7: generating so much information that we can't sort through. We
Speaker 7: can't see the connections, whether they are causation or correlation,
Speaker 7: we just don't see them at all. And I tried
Speaker 7: to do it on Coursera, Yeah, but I didn't have
Speaker 7: enough math background to succeed.
Speaker 6: So a couple of years ago, all of us.
Speaker 7: Three years ago, I went back to our local university,
Speaker 7: George Mason University, and started taking the prerequisites for a
Speaker 7: graduate program.
Speaker 6: In machine learning.
Speaker 5: How was that?
Speaker 6: It's fun? I'm not even halfway through sixteen.
Speaker 5: You'll literally go, you're really doing that?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Next Monday I start my course on data structures and
Speaker 7: I have to drive out to Fairfax Monday and Wednesday.
Speaker 6: Drives my congressional schedule crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So here's my question for you.
Speaker 1: One of the ways in which Congress is criticized is
Speaker 1: that a lot of people say this, including myself, not
Speaker 1: that I don't love you guys, but there's not enough
Speaker 1: tech regulation. And some of it is because a lot
Speaker 1: of members don't understand technology. Now, you obviously taking an
Speaker 1: AI course. You know you're doing an AI graduate program,
Speaker 1: so you obviously understand it better than probably ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of Americans, let alone members of Congress. But is
Speaker 1: that true and why is there so little tech regulation?
Speaker 7: Well, the classic case, Molly is social media were the
Speaker 7: only thing we'd done in twenty five years to say
Speaker 7: we can't soothe them, right. We gave them immunity for lawsuits,
Speaker 7: which is crazy. So we're trying not to make that
Speaker 7: mistake again. The various AI task forces up there, the
Speaker 7: most important one was appointed by the current Speaker and
Speaker 7: by HACKEM Jefferies, twelve Democrats, twelve Republicans.
Speaker 6: So trying to put together.
Speaker 7: A meaningful set of legislative initiatives like next month, you know,
Speaker 7: but we should report by the end of September, hopefully
Speaker 7: pass a bunch by the end of this year.
Speaker 6: Wow. So we're trying to get ahead.
Speaker 7: It's naive to think we'll ever be ahead of the
Speaker 7: American public, but we're trying not.
Speaker 6: To make the same social media mistake.
Speaker 1: I hate to hold Europe up as an example here,
Speaker 1: but they've done a better job with regulating social media
Speaker 1: and it's made a lot of big tech companies very mad,
Speaker 1: which is probably a good sign. Do you think something
Speaker 1: like that could happen here.
Speaker 7: I do you know Europe has already passed an AI
Speaker 7: Act while the EUAI Act, and they worked really hard
Speaker 7: on it.
Speaker 6: I met with them half a dozen times.
Speaker 7: It's generally perceived by most people in America, including the
Speaker 7: AI companies, as being too prescriptive.
Speaker 6: Of course, too legislative. You got to sign up for licensing.
Speaker 5: You don't like any legislation. That's why they think it's
Speaker 5: too legislating.
Speaker 7: And you know, but we're getting all the creativity and
Speaker 7: inventiveness and stuff out of America, so we're trying to
Speaker 7: do light touch. We're trying to address not regulation for
Speaker 7: regulation's sake, but rather where there's a downside. For example,
Speaker 7: think deep fakes, think the challenges with child sexual assault material,
Speaker 7: the way people are using AI to trash their boyfriends
Speaker 7: or their girlfriends that dumped them, things like that.
Speaker 1: So, as someone who comes from journalism, we made a
Speaker 1: lot of free content for tech companies.
Speaker 5: They used it and.
Speaker 1: Basically destroyed all the media companies by using our free content.
Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything prescriptive that Congress could pass?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: You know, they've started talking mally year ago about or
Speaker 7: two years ago about watermarking. But it has to go
Speaker 7: much deeper than that, because right now, if you're a
Speaker 7: photographer and illustrator, when all that stuff gets loaded into
Speaker 7: one of the big engines, anybody can create something without
Speaker 7: ever needing an all illustrator or a photographer.
Speaker 6: Again, the same thing with.
Speaker 7: Poets with music, right with books, Yeah, you publish a
Speaker 7: book right now, two or three days later, some version
Speaker 7: of that has been generated by AIH and as being marketed.
Speaker 7: So there's a lot more to go to protect intellectual property.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And do you think that can happen?
Speaker 7: I think it has to happen Otherwise who's going to
Speaker 7: create content if you take away all the monetary centers?
Speaker 7: For example, I know the motion picture industry is terrified,
Speaker 7: right about what.
Speaker 6: Something like that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That really does seem like an important thing. Do you
Speaker 1: think there's a bipartisan appetite.
Speaker 7: For that, Yeah, Molly, the good is so far it's
Speaker 7: very bipartisan. The twenty four people of jayobernoltire Republican from California,
Speaker 7: tedlu a Democrat from California, lead the effort, and then
Speaker 7: they've worked hard to try to make sure that that
Speaker 7: stayed together. I think once one of the big challenges
Speaker 7: out there right now is the idea of trying to
Speaker 7: create some kind of long term digital idea that belongs
Speaker 7: to Molly jong Fast or Don Bayer, that we'll get
Speaker 7: away from all the identity theft. That's the only place
Speaker 7: I've seen Republican pushback because they begin to think world
Speaker 7: government or I know, the government's going to know too.
Speaker 1: Much about songs in women's medical offices.
Speaker 6: But nowhere else, nowhere else, Yes, in the bedroom.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: By the way, are you you have been doing this
Speaker 1: for a while, although also ambassadorships, et cetera. Are you
Speaker 1: surprised at how far right the Republican Party has gone?
Speaker 7: It's nowhere near the Republican Party that I knew. I
Speaker 7: starved eight years in the Virginia Senate. Completely different.
Speaker 6: Yeah than this.
Speaker 7: I mean, we used to work together all the time.
Speaker 7: You can never predict how the vote was going to
Speaker 7: turn out here. You know it'll be two eighteen to
Speaker 7: two fourteen. Almost every time it was contested.
Speaker 1: That no fault divorce thing, Republicans are very passionate about
Speaker 1: repealing no fault divorce signed into law by Ronald Reagan
Speaker 1: in California, discuss there's.
Speaker 6: So many things that they're talking about.
Speaker 7: You know, there are the restrictions on contraception IVF personhood
Speaker 7: at you know, when the sperm hits the ovum.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that are that are just way out of the mainstream.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I just think about when you divorced, when somebody had
Speaker 7: to be wrong, somebody had to do something really evil
Speaker 7: to do it. So many people were victimized, thrown under
Speaker 7: the bus, and or families were forced to stay together that.
Speaker 6: Were really bad for them and bad for the children. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and certainly repressed women's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all it's right. Yeah, thank you so much, Congressman.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, Molly good luck.
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Speaker 3: Caroline Gleek is a candidate for Senate in Utah.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, Caroline, who is running for the
Speaker 1: Mint Romney Senate seat in the great state of Utah.
Speaker 5: That is correct. How are you going to do it?
Speaker 8: We are going to get young voters to turn out,
Speaker 8: to get women to turn out, and you know, when
Speaker 8: young voters and women turn out, we win.
Speaker 1: So Utah start a state in the Democrats talk about
Speaker 1: that much.
Speaker 5: Tell us what you could do in Utah.
Speaker 8: Utah isn't to state that the Democratic parties really had
Speaker 8: their radar on, and I think that is a mistake
Speaker 8: because Utah is already a lot more purple than it seems.
Speaker 8: And in our last presidential election, young LDS voters increasingly
Speaker 8: voted Democratic.
Speaker 5: Interesting, Yes, and we were really.
Speaker 8: Encouraged also by the results of Nikki Haley really reject Trump.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, it's already a lot more purple.
Speaker 8: Fifty three percent of voters in Utah are registered Republican
Speaker 8: and then a lot of those low are Democrats that
Speaker 8: file that registered Republican to vote in the closed primaries.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Donald Trump has been really alienated the LDS community.
Speaker 5: Can you talk about that?
Speaker 1: He still was able to get Mike Lee, but it
Speaker 1: was real sacrilege.
Speaker 5: Can you talk about that? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Utah voters, we are you know, we have a global perspective, right,
Speaker 8: We're really tolerant of immigrants, right, and we're warm, inclusive people.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: And the Trump agenda, his rhetoric, his status as a
Speaker 8: convicted felon, the way he openly brags about assaulting women,
Speaker 8: it's not who we are as Utah's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So Utah voters, in our hearts, we are a really
Speaker 8: warm and inclusive people, global perspective, and we're really ready
Speaker 8: to make some big democratic gains in the state.
Speaker 5: What is your race looking like? Who is your opponent?
Speaker 5: Tell us a little bit.
Speaker 8: Yes, Yes, I won the Democratic Convention with ninety three
Speaker 8: percent of the votes, so I'll be on the ballot
Speaker 8: in November.
Speaker 5: And my opponent is a career politician.
Speaker 8: He's currently serving in the House of Representatives, so he's
Speaker 8: running to serve in the Senate.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 8: And he's a really interesting guy. He's very nice, very charismatic.
Speaker 8: I've worked with him a lot in my role as
Speaker 8: a citizen and climate activist in Congress.
Speaker 5: He talks a big game about what he's.
Speaker 8: Going to do for environment, for climate, but when he
Speaker 8: gets into Congress he actually has a worse environmental voting
Speaker 8: record than Mike Lee.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yes, he's the founder of the Conservative Climate Caucus, yet
Speaker 8: he's consistently voted to undermine protections for aaron water.
Speaker 5: He's a greenwasher.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that the Republicans can't get interested
Speaker 1: in climate?
Speaker 8: Just like anything in politics, we have to change the
Speaker 8: role that big money plays. Yeah, but when you look
Speaker 8: at who is funding their campaigns, you see how they
Speaker 8: have to vote. And he is one of the top
Speaker 8: recipients from the fossil fuel industry in Congress, and the
Speaker 8: top recipient from our electric utility provider. So you follow
Speaker 8: the money and then you see how they vote.
Speaker 5: What does climate change look like into Utah?
Speaker 8: First and foremost, we have a huge impact to our
Speaker 8: public health from the air quality. The average uton dies
Speaker 8: on average two years early because of the air quality.
Speaker 8: During these periods of poor air quality, we see an
Speaker 8: increased a sixteen percent increased rate of miscarriages. We see
Speaker 8: cardiac events, mental health challenges asthma. So we get really
Speaker 8: bad air from the burning of fossil fuels and the
Speaker 8: way it gets kind of trapped in our Teacup Valley
Speaker 8: where most of the population of Utah lives. And then
Speaker 8: we've been seeing unprecedented wildfire seasons. We have been seeing
Speaker 8: so many days of record breaking heat. Just we used
Speaker 8: to have only a few days over one hundred degrees
Speaker 8: and now we have these really long stretches, and our
Speaker 8: population that's experiencing homelessness, which has also been in crazy.
Speaker 8: They're dying of the heat.
Speaker 5: Tourists are dying of heat in the national parks.
Speaker 8: And then in the winter we're seeing more snow that's
Speaker 8: falling as rain, which is a big problem for our
Speaker 8: ski industry and the snowsports economy, which is a major
Speaker 8: major part of our economy there. Yeah, so those are
Speaker 8: just some of the impacts, but we expect to see
Speaker 8: a lot worse wildfires, flooding, and other public health impacts.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So interesting and also so upsetting. How it is.
Speaker 5: Can people find out more about you?
Speaker 8: They can go to our website Caroline for Utah dot
Speaker 8: com c A R O L I N E FO
Speaker 8: r Utah dot com. If you can, you can chip
Speaker 8: in a couple bucks. You can do that from any
Speaker 8: state in the nation. Any American citizen can chip in
Speaker 8: and it would really go a long way to ensuring
Speaker 8: we can run the most competitive campaign. And then if
Speaker 8: you want to sign up to volunteer, we can also
Speaker 8: have postcard and phone banking opportunities around the nation and
Speaker 8: we would really appreciate it because every Senate state counts
Speaker 8: and we can't turn our back on the investments into
Speaker 8: these states because we are going take Utah and make
Speaker 8: it into blue Talk.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Caroline.
Speaker 3: Rose. The world represents Connecticut's third district.
Speaker 5: I'm so excited to have you. Welcome to Congress. Woman.
Speaker 5: Thank you. You have done this for a while.
Speaker 1: You have been to a few conventions I have you
Speaker 1: have been, you know, one of the really important members
Speaker 1: who's gotten a ton done progressive legislation. You're just sort
Speaker 1: of a beloved member of Congress. What does it feel
Speaker 1: like to be in this Hairess convention?
Speaker 5: Well, thank you.
Speaker 9: First of all, thank you for the kind words as well.
Speaker 9: I love what I do. I'm blessed to be able
Speaker 9: to serve in the House of Representatives. But I have
Speaker 9: been to a number of conventions since nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 9: I also headed up the platform committee for John Carey
Speaker 9: a number of years ago. But I will tell you
Speaker 9: that we haven't seen the energy, the enthusiasm, the momentum
Speaker 9: like this for such a long time. Two thousand and
Speaker 9: eight we experienced that. But this is palpable. Can I
Speaker 9: give you not from the convention, but just personally before
Speaker 9: I came here, I went to the dentist last week
Speaker 9: and I just went to get my teeth cleaned. I'm
Speaker 9: sitting in the chair and you can't talk or anything.
Speaker 9: But I've got the dental hygienis who's just talking to
Speaker 9: me and talking to me and talking to me about
Speaker 9: how wonderful Kamala Harris is. We need to get people
Speaker 9: out to vote. So I'm saying there is a sense
Speaker 9: of momentum and energy that we haven't seen in a
Speaker 9: long time.
Speaker 5: She raised five hundred million dollars.
Speaker 9: Yes, and she's united. I'll start with uniting the party.
Speaker 9: United the party.
Speaker 5: So I want to ask you a question.
Speaker 1: I have been on so many panels where white pundits
Speaker 1: almost exclusively, men have said that she wasn't the choice,
Speaker 1: they should skip her, they should you pick some other
Speaker 1: group of white people. How many times she's incredible, She's
Speaker 1: done better than anyone could have dreamed about any candidate.
Speaker 5: She was so underestimated.
Speaker 1: And you've done this for such a long time, don't
Speaker 1: do you feel I mean, it must feel like gratifying
Speaker 1: to see how great she is, but also frustrating to see.
Speaker 9: How well you know, the fact is they're wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 9: they're just absolutely wrong. Yeah, And you know, in some
Speaker 9: ways it's a view that women are not up to
Speaker 9: these jobs. And without question, she's up to this job.
Speaker 9: And you know, and she's proving that every day and
Speaker 9: the work that she also did her own background in
Speaker 9: California as a prosecutor, as an attorney general. It's a
Speaker 9: very accomplished women. But it is tougher for women. It's
Speaker 9: tough for women in the House of Representatives. Women have
Speaker 9: to work harder, yes, of course, and nobody hands you anything.
Speaker 9: You have to fight for what you have and you
Speaker 9: get it because of your competence, of your capacity, your credibility,
Speaker 9: and someone who can get the job done, and that
Speaker 9: is who Kamala Harris is and you know, so she's
Speaker 9: been doing it. It's just that there's some people who
Speaker 9: haven't recognized it. But so be it. They're wrong and
Speaker 9: she is proving them wrong. You're a member who's known
Speaker 9: for getting a lot done and being one of.
Speaker 1: Those people who's like, you know, pushing legislation.
Speaker 5: And I've heard this from other members.
Speaker 1: Pelosi is no longer the speaker, but we saw this
Speaker 1: year her power. This talk to me about like women
Speaker 1: congress power.
Speaker 9: Well, yes, I mean, look, first of all, keep in mind,
Speaker 9: know when I went to the Congress, there were fourteen women.
Speaker 9: We now have one hundred and fifty women. And it's
Speaker 9: not the numbers, it's the agenda and how the agenda changes.
Speaker 9: When I first came, you know, which is you know,
Speaker 9: thirty years ago, women and minorities were not included in
Speaker 9: the clinical trials at the National Institutes of Health. We
Speaker 9: know that women are physiologically different than men, but all
Speaker 9: studies were done on men extrapolated to women. Lo and behold,
Speaker 9: we got together on a bipartisan basis, the women of
Speaker 9: the Congress, and we pushed and we pushed, and now
Speaker 9: there are women and minorities who are included in the
Speaker 9: clinical trials. Look at the issues that we're dealing with today.
Speaker 9: Pay equity, equal pay for equal work, is a paid
Speaker 9: family and medical leave, childcare, paid sick days, and for me,
Speaker 9: the Crown Jewel is a child tax credit. Earlier on,
Speaker 9: we thought we were the crazy ants in the attic. No,
Speaker 9: now they are the public discourse. At the center of
Speaker 9: that public discourse. Are all of these issues brought to
Speaker 9: the four by the women in the Congress in addition
Speaker 9: to that, but we could rereach out in the legislative body.
Speaker 9: You have to reach out to build a coalition and
Speaker 9: that is men as well, that you pull in and
Speaker 9: form the coalition to get the job done.
Speaker 1: Is there still bipartisans going on in Congress?
Speaker 9: It's hard on some issues, you know there are and
Speaker 9: members across the aisle can work together. Look, ranking member
Speaker 9: of the Appropriations Committee, I've worked with Tom Cole you
Speaker 9: know in the past Oklahoma, right and I chaired and
Speaker 9: then he chaired the Labor, HHS, Health, Human Services and
Speaker 9: Education Subcommittee. In the past there hadn't been an ability
Speaker 9: to get that bill out of committee. Tom and I
Speaker 9: work together. We have different views. We agreed on some
Speaker 9: things disagreed, but we came to the compromise, which is
Speaker 9: what you're supposed to do, and we passed appropriations bills
Speaker 9: and we did that. I did that as chair two
Speaker 9: years in succession. And you have to do that in
Speaker 9: the bipartisan way because with those bills, if you don't,
Speaker 9: the president doesn't sign.
Speaker 5: Government shuts down.
Speaker 1: Right though Republicans did manage to shut down the government
Speaker 1: once when they controlled.
Speaker 5: All three branches. That's right, which is not nothing.
Speaker 9: No, it shouldn't be, and it shouldn't be now, especially
Speaker 9: with appropriations. You've got to come to a compromise. I
Speaker 9: get some of the things I wanted, I don't get everything,
Speaker 9: and that's the same. It's the same for you. Unfortunately,
Speaker 9: we're in a period of time here where the House
Speaker 9: majority with the Republicans, they have crafted appropriations bills that
Speaker 9: not only can't they get Democratic support, they cannot get
Speaker 9: Republican support. So when we go back in September, it's
Speaker 9: going to be a pretty wild time. And they put
Speaker 9: in all these policy writers that are just ugly poison pills,
Speaker 9: and they do not belong in appropriations bills. Last go round,
Speaker 9: we got rid of ninety nine percent of them will
Speaker 9: do that.
Speaker 1: Again, do you think, I mean, what happened to the
Speaker 1: Republicans in the House.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, look, I think they've been captured by
Speaker 9: a minority that's a very vocal minority that honestly did
Speaker 9: not come to govern. They don't know how to govern,
Speaker 9: and they can't govern, but they don't don't want to govern, right, No,
Speaker 9: they don't.
Speaker 1: When you see these stuff that's in the state houses,
Speaker 1: the Republican state houses, crazy crazy stuff, embryonic personhood, anti
Speaker 1: LGBTQ stuff, does that stuff come.
Speaker 5: Up to the federal government?
Speaker 1: And when you have a Supreme Court that's so in
Speaker 1: the tank for Republicans, how do you push against that?
Speaker 9: That view is alive? And well, I mean, this is
Speaker 9: a full scale assault on women and women's rights. It
Speaker 9: didn't end with Roe v.
Speaker 5: Wade.
Speaker 9: You know, that was a piece they've been They've been
Speaker 9: plotting this for many years. They've now moved really to
Speaker 9: restrict contraception and IVF. So again, as I say, it's
Speaker 9: a full scale assault. And for me, what it portends
Speaker 9: is that this is a lack of respect, a lack
Speaker 9: of trust in women to make decisions on behalf of themselves.
Speaker 9: And their families. Lane and simple, We're.
Speaker 5: Not going to roll it back. Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4: Many.
Speaker 3: Routin All represents District thirty two in the Colorado General Assembly.
Speaker 5: Welcome to fast politics.
Speaker 10: Mann, that's right, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 5: Mollett, tell us what you do, explain to us. You're
Speaker 5: absolutely so.
Speaker 10: I'm Manny Routinelle. I'm a state representative for Colorado. I
Speaker 10: represent the great people of Commerce City, which you know
Speaker 10: is a community full of vibrant, generous people. Unfortunately, it
Speaker 10: is one of the dirtiest districts, not just in the state,
Speaker 10: but in the entire country. And that's a result of
Speaker 10: industrial polluters that are trying to profit off of the
Speaker 10: backs of people of color and working class families that
Speaker 10: are in my neighborhoods. So my job before I was
Speaker 10: a legislator was to be an environmental attorney to hold
Speaker 10: corporate polluters accountable. So I'm bringing that fight into the
Speaker 10: capital to hold those same corporate polluters accountable.
Speaker 5: You are a state rep in Colorado.
Speaker 1: What can you do because you are at the state level,
Speaker 1: what can you do to hold polluters accountable?
Speaker 6: Sure?
Speaker 10: So, because of the way the clean air at works
Speaker 10: and so many other of our legislation headed from the
Speaker 10: federal government down to the states. States actually have a
Speaker 10: lot of control over how our environmental polluters are able
Speaker 10: to function within our state, whether it's permitting decisions or
Speaker 10: the types of regulations that they have to abide by.
Speaker 10: And so we can pass all sorts of laws to
Speaker 10: tighten regulations, make sure that if they do pollute when
Speaker 10: they're not supposed to be, that those finds are appropriate
Speaker 10: and cover the costs of remediation or covering the healthcare
Speaker 10: costs of the people in the area.
Speaker 5: So you really can sue to get your people covered.
Speaker 10: So we create the laws, then our attorney friends can
Speaker 10: take to sue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and also agencies as well. Our agencies are able
Speaker 6: to sue.
Speaker 5: Is your governor aligned with those.
Speaker 10: Yes, So we've got Governor Jared Poulis and he has luckily.
Speaker 5: Been interviewed him. Oh great, he's.
Speaker 10: Done a great job. He's been championing these issues for
Speaker 10: a long time. Of course, there's always more to do,
Speaker 10: and I'm sure he's always there to help us get there.
Speaker 10: You know, there's always frustrations when we have to I'm
Speaker 10: supposed to be fighting on behalf of my people as
Speaker 10: hard as I as I can, and he's got more
Speaker 10: different communities to consider, so there's always a little bit
Speaker 10: of attension there, but for the most part, he's been
Speaker 10: a great ally on this fight.
Speaker 1: What do people need to know about your district and
Speaker 1: about your fight?
Speaker 10: What they need to know is that my area is
Speaker 10: an environmental justice community of Latinos, working class people, and
Speaker 10: the reason why it's the most polluted area, not just
Speaker 10: in the state but in the entire country is because
Speaker 10: of these industrial polluters and also the way the highways
Speaker 10: crisscross the area. What they need to know is that
Speaker 10: these people are amazing. They're generous, they're kind, they're loving.
Speaker 10: They want to have everything that every other American wants
Speaker 10: to have. They want to have food on their table,
Speaker 10: a roof over their heads, to hang out outside, playing
Speaker 10: on the playground, whatever it is, and not get cancer.
Speaker 10: And so these are folks just like you and me. Unfortunately,
Speaker 10: they've been put in a really bad position by some
Speaker 10: industrial polluters, and so it's important to hold them accountable.
Speaker 1: What does that look like, higher rates of cancer, higher
Speaker 1: rates of asthma, nice carriages.
Speaker 5: What does that look like?
Speaker 10: You named so many of them pulary shoes of all kinds,
Speaker 10: heart disease, you go down the list, and because of
Speaker 10: the air and water concerns, you have all sorts of
Speaker 10: issues that the community has to face. I've got kids
Speaker 10: that have nose bleeds only in this area as opposed
Speaker 10: to anywhere else. They've got asthma attacks when they're on
Speaker 10: the playgrounds in this area more so than anywhere else.
Speaker 10: So it's a really tough issue for quality of life.
Speaker 10: It's a really tough issue for healthcare costs, and that's
Speaker 10: all borne by this population as opposed to the corporate
Speaker 10: polluters that are making these profits.
Speaker 5: Are any of the corporate polluters still polluting?
Speaker 10: Yeah, unfortunately, we do have a couple.
Speaker 5: Tell us who they are, bad actors?
Speaker 6: You want names, the details? Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 5: That's good. That's what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely yeah. So my area has the largest
Speaker 10: oil refinery in the state. It's a company called Suncre,
Speaker 10: and Suncre is actually headquartered or incorporated in Canada, and
Speaker 10: so a lot of the profits that Suncre may have
Speaker 10: goes to Canada. Now, unfortunately, Suncore as an oil refinery
Speaker 10: built many, many, many, many decades ago, isn't in the
Speaker 10: best shape and as a result, their systems fail, and
Speaker 10: when their systems fail, pollution reeks havoc on our communities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so oil, refinery, suncore, what else is a bad
Speaker 1: polluter in your neighborhood?
Speaker 10: You know, there's all sorts of industrial polluters that are
Speaker 10: playing a role there that I think we need to
Speaker 10: make sure.
Speaker 1: To industries if you don't want to name them, housements.
Speaker 10: All sorts of warehouses that are responsible for a lot
Speaker 10: of transportation related emissions that I think we need to
Speaker 10: electrify those industries as much as possible. So it's all
Speaker 10: sorts of different polluters, and it's a really complex web. Unfortunately,
Speaker 10: once an area becomes polluted, then you keep piling it
Speaker 10: on and I think that's where we're at right now.
Speaker 5: So that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you can do on the healthcare side
Speaker 1: to help these people?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean there's all sorts of healthcare related things
Speaker 10: that we can help cover. A big part of what
Speaker 10: I think we need to be doing is in the
Speaker 10: process of holding these corporations accountable, making sure that the
Speaker 10: fines that we place on them are you use to
Speaker 10: help the community.
Speaker 6: As much as possible.
Speaker 10: As being supposed to being shipped off to another part
Speaker 10: of the state, and so that could be covering healthcare
Speaker 10: costs that could be electrifying a lot of the transportation,
Speaker 10: like the buses for instance, things of that nature. So
Speaker 10: I think we can cover healthcare costs, or we can
Speaker 10: cover a lot of the upstream causes of those healthcare costs.
Speaker 10: And I think that's where I think a lot of
Speaker 10: folks want to spend most of our time and resources.
Speaker 5: So interesting, so important. Thank you many, Thank.
Speaker 3: You so much.
Speaker 4: Molly, No momentuod.
Speaker 5: Do you have a moment of uckeray Rick Wilson, Yeah,
Speaker 5: mor of fuckery.
Speaker 4: This week is, as we talked about a little bit earlier,
Speaker 4: this sort of freakish double standard that Vice President Harris
Speaker 4: and Tim Wallas are being held to on the matters
Speaker 4: of policy and media access. Unless you're in Donald Trump's
Speaker 4: sacred circle, you don't get media access to Donald Trump
Speaker 4: in a real and meaningful way. What you get is
Speaker 4: the Trump Show. You get the Donald Trump standing on
Speaker 4: the stage, you know, like you just come off there
Speaker 4: from helping paint thinner and just randomly fucking blurting out
Speaker 4: lies that are rarely contemporariously fact checked, and rarely he
Speaker 4: held to account as someone who is a guy who
Speaker 4: incited a violent insurrection. He's rarely held to account as
Speaker 4: a guy who overturned Roe v. Wade and brags about it.
Speaker 4: And there's a sense of like, oh, well, Trump changes positions,
Speaker 4: so we're just gonna treat that change of position as
Speaker 4: if it's real. Yes, And with Harris, it's like I'm
Speaker 4: starting to see coverage like in this case that she
Speaker 4: tried in two thousand and one, it's there were questions
Speaker 4: about whether or not the police handled the DNA evidence
Speaker 4: properly in a related case. It's so fucking randomly, you know,
Speaker 4: tangentially connected. They ignore the shit about Trump or I
Speaker 4: get this and you know, you know you get this too,
Speaker 4: for oh, everybody knows that. Everybody knows that about Trump.
Speaker 4: That's all bigd in the cake. Don't worry about people
Speaker 4: get Trump. They know it's just a lie. They know
Speaker 4: he's lying. We don't have to report that he's lying
Speaker 4: because they know that's not how this works. That's my
Speaker 4: fockery and brought the media and here we are once again.
Speaker 5: And my moment of rockery.
Speaker 1: It's going to be close to yours, which is that
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to talk about Tim Walls or I
Speaker 1: am gonna Tim Walls. We saw a number of fake scandals.
Speaker 1: Axios had something Axios reporter are and retweeted the editor
Speaker 1: of the Washington Free Beacon. Let me tell you guys
Speaker 1: a secret about the Washington Free Beacon that is not
Speaker 1: a real newspaper.
Speaker 5: And Rick Wilson, I would.
Speaker 1: Like you to take a minute to explain to listeners
Speaker 1: what the Washington Free Beacon is.
Speaker 4: Go the Free Bacon, the Daily Caller.
Speaker 1: But Free Beacon is literally funded by fancy Republicans as
Speaker 1: an oppo dump machee.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's what the Daily Caller was funded by
Speaker 4: Foster Freeze for generation. What those things exist to do?
Speaker 4: Daily Caller and Free Bacon especially, they are the cheapest
Speaker 4: way to pass a hit piece along. Okay, after I
Speaker 4: Trump pissed off last week, they immediately sent whatever opa
Speaker 4: bullshit to the Free Beacon, the Daily call or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, and they're firing emails at us like only
Speaker 4: to respond to something that happened in twenty twenty. Fuck
Speaker 4: off their whole world. Their whole range of behavior is
Speaker 4: to try to launder bullshit opo so that the New
Speaker 4: York Times picks it up, or the Washington Post picks
Speaker 4: it up, or that Politico picks it up. They post
Speaker 4: these stories that are always structured in such a way
Speaker 4: if you read them correctly, you can identify which oppo
Speaker 4: researcher wrote the fucking thing for them.
Speaker 1: Yes, the Washington Free Beacon out a piece that said
Speaker 1: Waltz boasted in nineteen ninety three he was named the
Speaker 1: Outstanding Young Nebraska of the Nebraska Chamber of Commerce.
Speaker 5: Well, it turns.
Speaker 1: Out what that means is that basically there was a
Speaker 1: kind of typo and it had said, in fact, he
Speaker 1: was the junior the outstanding young Nebraska. He was actually
Speaker 1: the outstanding by the Nebraska Junior Chamber of Commerce. And
Speaker 1: this is a scandal which Alex Thompson from Axios has found.
Speaker 5: It was a typo.
Speaker 4: This is the kind of gotcha bullshit that these guys
Speaker 4: just absolutely love, and they do it to launder it
Speaker 4: so that the mainstream press will pick it up. And
Speaker 4: they do it for well they did it before, for clicks.
Speaker 4: Even though what you should know is Bridebart, Daily Call
Speaker 4: or Free Beacon, National Review, Gayway Pundit all these things
Speaker 4: in the right wing media sphere. They've been collapsing for
Speaker 4: a long time in terms of their readership, and at
Speaker 4: the moment, in the last set of com Score numbers,
Speaker 4: all of them are falling off a cliff. I mean,
Speaker 4: Magazine probably has more readers than the Free Beacon.
Speaker 5: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: And look, you know they're working super hard because I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you a secret about Tim Walls.
Speaker 5: He's very popular.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going to have to really really up their
Speaker 4: game if they want to try to take down Tim Walls.
Speaker 4: And so far, see, they made the worst OPA mistake, right,
Speaker 4: They made a fundamental opera mistake. Ma pros know. But
Speaker 4: a lot of these people grew up in like the
Speaker 4: Trump era, where we were in a particular lacuna in
Speaker 4: our media and political history where a tweet or a
Speaker 4: post on Gateway pundit could change an election, not a
Speaker 4: good way. But they made an opera mistake. They should
Speaker 4: have led up with the small shit. Okay, they should
Speaker 4: have let up and said, oh, well, we'll start with
Speaker 4: did he lie about this Chamber of Commerce thing? And
Speaker 4: then find some of the little bullshit thing a little
Speaker 4: and then you say, when they hit him with the
Speaker 4: big one. There's a pattern of deceptive behavior on the
Speaker 4: part of them, right, They're too impulsive and stupid to
Speaker 4: do that kind of thing, and they just don't understand it.
Speaker 4: And Harris has learned a trick, one that I've learned,
Speaker 4: you know, painfully, is when those people in that particular
Speaker 4: part of the Maggi ecosphere are going after you ignore them.
Speaker 4: Learning walls could do in that case to help their
Speaker 4: their case is to somehow go out and teres with outrage.
Speaker 4: That's why Harris whenever somebody says Cambela colombabla, oh campbell
Speaker 4: a dingdong, all that fucking bullshit they're doing, they desperately
Speaker 4: want the Harris campaign to go, oh, dull, you must
Speaker 4: pronounce your name, you up, regis scoundrel and stead They're
Speaker 4: like the fuck out of here. Yeah, that is the
Speaker 4: way to handle these people. You cannot give them the
Speaker 4: attention that will help them elevate the story. You have
Speaker 4: to just move on, kick ass, go past them.
Speaker 5: Exactly. That is right. Thank you, Rick Wilson, Thank you well.
Speaker 4: With John Fast, I will be seeing you tomorrow.
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