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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: That is right, Fox Football Saturday. Kevin figures Adam also

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Speaker 2: You can find Adam at follow Adam a double A.

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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: I'm good for the most part, complaining a little bit

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Speaker 3: about a non call in an NBA coming tonight. Do

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Speaker 3: those things ever happen? Is boot?

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Speaker 1: Adam says Kevin. Did you see the Clipper game? He's like,

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Speaker 1: I can't say that. I did. I know that, I

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Speaker 1: know the joker bawled out.

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Speaker 3: I got something to say. The hell was that non

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Speaker 3: call that they reviewed late in the game? You didn't

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Speaker 3: call anything? What's there to reviewed? What? What triggered the review?

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Speaker 3: Breese is shaking her head, thinking.

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Speaker 1: Like Tim Donneze's on the phone for you.

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Speaker 3: I'm an offended Clippers fan and nobody else cares the phone.

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Speaker 3: You don't care. There are dozens of us, dozens that

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Speaker 3: care about this call. You'll see this is gonna end

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Speaker 3: up being a big story coming up.

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Speaker 1: But we got sure.

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Speaker 2: There's dozens more and dozens more listening to us here

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. You want to dive into some football,

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Speaker 2: even though I know there are no games this weekend

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Speaker 2: unless you want to count the Senior Bowl, which is

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Speaker 2: more of I feel the Senior Bowl more. Well can

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Speaker 2: you hear me because I can't hear myself. Now, Hello,

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Speaker 2: is this on?

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Speaker 1: And we can turn down a little bit? Mark, I

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Speaker 1: didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: I accidentally pressed it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I didn't know of you that loud.

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Speaker 2: But lots of football to get into. Or on the

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Speaker 2: coaching carousel in the NFL. Bill Belichick not going to

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Speaker 2: be making into the Hall of Fame on his first try.

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Speaker 2: We'll have some thoughts on that. That being the big

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Speaker 2: story out of the NFL this week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah with Big Vinnie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Vinnie Bonsenior, formerly of the Las Vegas Review Journal,

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Speaker 2: now NFL Senior NFL columnists for the California Post the

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Speaker 2: newly minted California Posts. He's gonna come on and talk

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Speaker 2: about the coaching carousel around the NFL, as well as

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Speaker 2: the Raiders and what they may or may not do

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Speaker 2: with the first overall pick in the draft and their

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Speaker 2: head coaching search.

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Speaker 3: He'll post up on you like Nikola jokicch and then

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Speaker 3: get some bs call for it in his favorite later.

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Speaker 1: For you, you know star players.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, well he played twenty five minutes in

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Speaker 3: his first game back ogulations, and.

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Speaker 1: You only had how many thirty one points?

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Speaker 3: Thirty one at all? How many were free.

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Speaker 1: Throw five minutes. That's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 3: We also have some geek news coming up a little

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Speaker 3: bit later this hour. One of the best first person

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Speaker 3: shooters ever is turning thirty this week. Right, it's not

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Speaker 3: that one. It's a different one. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: hint around it too much, but we'll have some sound

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Speaker 3: for you. We'll talk about some of the facts regarding

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Speaker 3: this game, and we'll celebrate it too.

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Speaker 2: All right, sounds good to me. But here first off,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'll talk about the Senior Bowl. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: about someone that was at the Senior Bowl earlier this

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Speaker 2: later he ain't got no job.

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Speaker 4: There's time.

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Speaker 3: Let's wrong Friday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the big news on Friday they got no job.

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Speaker 2: The Minnesota Vikings parting ways with their general manager, and

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Speaker 2: pretty much a surprising move. I think, more and more

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Speaker 2: so than anything Adham, is the timing of it. This

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Speaker 2: the busiest time a year for NFL front offices. I know,

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Speaker 1: You know, the East West Shrine grame was last week,

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl is this week. You're ramping up for

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Speaker 3: Who's your guy from Vanderbilt that measured in at five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those shoes on listed at six to one. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a giant. He could have been playing

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, yeah, those those programs and the way teams

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Speaker 3: list guys, there's a lot of fuzzy math going out.

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Speaker 3: Oh you can count, it's good for you.

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Speaker 2: Briandie James was six four at USC and all of

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Speaker 1: Now he's got some hops funny how that works.

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Speaker 3: He does have his dad's hops, and if he grows

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Speaker 3: like the young Lebron and the old Nike commercial where

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Speaker 2: By the way, that was a good commercial and I

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Speaker 2: into Bronnie James, but he had a pretty good dunk

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Speaker 2: think that's a game that he got blown out. Was

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Speaker 2: it against Cleveland? Maybe it was in Cleveland, but.

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Speaker 3: Roano was the one they won. It wasn't the game

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Speaker 3: against the Clippers. I'll tell you that they didn't win

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Speaker 1: He had a pretty impressive dunk in the open court.

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Speaker 2: And then I think it may have been the Four

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Speaker 1: Me right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this was Bronnie James.

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Speaker 1: This is Bronnie James.

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Speaker 2: And it says something like the air to the Throne

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Speaker 2: don't get this crap off my timeline right now.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the most dis that's disrespectful to

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Speaker 3: The only reason he had that dunk it was the

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Speaker 1: For him to get in.

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Speaker 3: He had that dunk. The crowd loved it, of course Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: He got the charity chance.

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Speaker 3: You know, he had a three pointer. Well, but heir

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Speaker 1: The apples still falling. And this is no disrespect to Bronnie.

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Speaker 1: He worked his ass off.

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Speaker 2: He's actually worked his ass off to be what he

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Speaker 3: That's not a terrible run that he's had so far

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Speaker 3: that at pick fifty five. A lot of pick fifty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a fringe NBA player who goes up

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Speaker 2: a night, or it please plays.

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Speaker 1: He's the human victory cigar.

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Speaker 2: Or if for getting your butt kicked by twenty you

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Speaker 3: Is that what they called Darko milchess she was back

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Speaker 3: in the day with the Detroit Pistons. Yes, before they

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Speaker 3: called him. What was the gangster name he had?

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Speaker 1: He had as name? I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: I thought they literally called him like dark O the

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Speaker 3: He had a minute there with Orlando where he showed

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Speaker 3: or I think he averaged two and a half blocks

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Speaker 3: doing a lot. Was that a five game series?

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Speaker 1: It felt like three?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Kevin, I'm still waiting for those championship banners to

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Speaker 2: be raised at the at Smoothie King or whatever the

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Speaker 2: hell what they call with the Kings play and also

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Speaker 2: into it, don't with the Clippers play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wait a second, we have our own arena now,

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Speaker 3: we don't have to worry about that. That's the only

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Speaker 3: when they win them. They're gonna be real championships. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you that much waiting for that win. Look,

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Speaker 3: we're still waiting for them to get a call at

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Speaker 3: the end of the game. A non call. You can't

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Speaker 3: review a non call. There's nothing to review. How did

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Speaker 3: that happen? Seven and a half minutes left? You'll see

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Speaker 3: this is big. I really want check the pool report.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to.

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Speaker 3: No, this is going national. This is not just a

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Speaker 3: crime against the Clippers. This affects all of us, man,

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Speaker 3: this affects everybody in the NBA. If you let the

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Speaker 3: Nuggets get away with it against the Clippers, who will

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Speaker 3: SGA gets a lot of foul calls in his favors.

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Speaker 2: Well, it seems that most people actually care about no

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Speaker 2: disrespect to the Clippers. I'm getting back to the Minnesota Viking.

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Speaker 2: So they fire their general manager on Friday again after

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Speaker 2: he spent the week at the Senior Bowl still scouting.

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Speaker 2: And now you know, these giant articles come out. I

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Speaker 2: Fowler at the four letter and chronicling all these issues

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Speaker 5: Oh, you can count.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying any of this is untrue, but

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Speaker 2: you know, narratives get spun for a certain reason. Certain

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Speaker 2: not saying that any of it is untrue, but it's

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Speaker 2: kind of like the smear campaign for Adolpha Mensa is

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Speaker 3: On, he's a mensa man. How could you smear this guy?

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Speaker 3: That's not right now?

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Speaker 1: Oh, he is an analytic nerd.

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Speaker 3: So do you think any of this happens if Sam

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Speaker 3: Darnold didn't just ball out in the NFC Championship Game

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Speaker 3: and goes on to win the Super Bowl, which I

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Speaker 3: think is very likely here and the odds will tell

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Speaker 3: you the same. Do you think he gets fired? Probably not,

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Speaker 3: because they had a decision to make and Sam Donald

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Speaker 3: got what three years, one hundred million dollars year, one

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Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. Yes, that to me and his money

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Speaker 3: and somebody did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, there's even talk that Kevin O'Connell, who

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Speaker 2: of course, is still there as the head coach. He

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Speaker 2: wanted to keep Sam Donald, but it was because a

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Speaker 2: dopa mensa is the one that traded up. I'll be

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Speaker 2: a one spot, but traded up to get JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: That was his guy, and his history of drafting has

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Speaker 3: It seems like there's enough for cause for termination here. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they do. But the way he

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Speaker 2: Was their bet, right, that's what they bet on, But

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Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to team building, you want to

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Speaker 1: Ideally if he can play, if he can play.

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Speaker 3: At that point, they were doubting him the entire time,

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Speaker 1: Just be You know, there's bus drivers.

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Speaker 1: In the MC Championship game, he was Drome better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, he outperformed I don't know gonna say he

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Speaker 3: And that take looks as worse as ever, But hey,

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Speaker 1: It was phenomenal quarterback played by both of them, and.

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Speaker 2: People s like, oh, it's his record is over, Like

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Speaker 3: I think the Austicks look really bad right now. In

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Speaker 3: the uproar from the fan base. This is one way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is their way of saying that you can

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna be koc who's the quarterback whisperer. Apparently,

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Speaker 3: if he can't get more out of JJ McCarthy, it

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be reflected poorly on Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: It's just not so.

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Speaker 2: You brought up Sam Donald a second ago, and obviously

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Speaker 1: People considered him a bust in New York.

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred pound gorilla silver back from Congo with the

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Speaker 2: So is it official that we can say he's no

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Speaker 2: Or is it you know what, he shook off the

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Speaker 1: Way to get it done next Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he throws three picks a pick six

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Speaker 1: If anything, he played game against Penn.

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Speaker 2: There was hype leading into the draft that he was

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Speaker 2: going to be a top ten pick, and I just

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Speaker 2: never saw it.

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Speaker 1: It never made sense to me.

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Speaker 3: They put a lot into his intangibles in that run

447
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Speaker 3: with Michigan, a lot like he's got some magic.

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Speaker 1: To him, A little bit too much, if you ask me.

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Speaker 2: I agree, even so much so that when people were saying, like,

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Speaker 2: would Jim Harball consider trading away Justin Herbert and now

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Speaker 2: bringing in JJ McCarthy, and I was like, that will

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Speaker 2: be the dumbest thing he could ever do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So thankfully for Josh Rosen for Kyler Murray type

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Speaker 3: of thing.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, absolutely not So congratulations to Sam Darnold, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sorry for a dopha mis Maybe obviously the guy has chops,

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Speaker 2: he has experience, he's been an analytic guide, and the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns have a big analytic department.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he can join them.

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Speaker 3: They're not what's his name from the Dodgers still.

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Speaker 2: Paul pe Podesta is now the GM of the Rockies.

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Speaker 2: He's back in baseball now, Okay, that was still weird

463
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Speaker 2: for a while. Isn't like Bob Myers in football? Currently

464
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Speaker 2: Formers consulting president somebody I don't know exactly who.

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Speaker 3: Guys transitioning to different sports completely role.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before you know it, Rob Polenko will be the

467
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Speaker 1: GM of the Bengals or something. Why not, I'll be here.

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Speaker 3: Let some of us podcasters get in on this.

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Speaker 1: I'll be here for it.

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Speaker 3: Us radio guys, why can't we get in all right?

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, we got to talk about some of

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Speaker 3: the other coaching moves. The Pittsburgh Steelers and their fans.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they let out a scream the other day.

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Speaker 1: It was like the.

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Speaker 6: Great disturbance in the force, as if millions of voices

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Speaker 6: suddenly cried out in telor suddenly silenced.

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Speaker 3: That was the Pittsburgh fan base when they got their

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Speaker 3: new head coach.

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Speaker 1: We'll unwrap it and.

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Speaker 3: Talk about if they should be excited, if there's anything positive.

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Speaker 1: About this optimism in there somewhere right?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you found it because I haven't more f and

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Speaker 3: I got a video you can see seven and a

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Speaker 3: half minute mark Clippers Nuggets. It was an unreviewable call.

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Speaker 3: Something's got to be done about this.

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Speaker 2: I like our guy gunner, Thomas check Sin said, tell

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Speaker 2: follow Adam a sorry for his Clippers. And he's starting

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Speaker 2: to sound like Ben Mallor you are by lamenting all

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Speaker 2: of the Clippers woes in their issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's plenty, even though there's still sixteen and

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Speaker 3: four of their last twenty games and arguably the hottest

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Speaker 3: team in the NBA. But we could have had this

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Speaker 3: game tonight, all right. And people are calling conspiracy because

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Speaker 3: the NBA wanted Jokic to win in his first game

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Speaker 3: back in Denver.

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Speaker 1: Who are these people?

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Speaker 3: The people the black helicopters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these people, you Adam, It's not just Clippers. Adam

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Speaker 2: and his clipper give me.

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Speaker 8: Back your key card at him.

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Speaker 3: It's time.

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Speaker 1: It's time. It's about time. I just got it.

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Speaker 3: Finally, there's a lot of people out there, all the

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Speaker 3: people in the NBA that are affected by bad calls.

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Speaker 3: You want me to start talking about Game six Lakers

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Speaker 3: Kings two thousand and two, don't set me off, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: You know where I'll take this. Yeah, I've heard, I've

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Speaker 1: heard the story multiple times.

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Speaker 3: The story over, the story, what is this Paul Bunyan's

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Speaker 3: hall tae over over.

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Speaker 2: I want to talks about Game five and the illegal

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Speaker 2: screen that free Mike Babty hit that shot. He'll screen

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Speaker 2: the fact that Shack shot one free throw that entire game.

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Speaker 1: But we can move.

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Speaker 2: But again, we don't need to relent something that happened

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Speaker 2: twenty years ago. We didn't need to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: I want to live in the present. I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about present day and the Pittsburgh Steelers, who are

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Speaker 2: clearly on their way making it to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: next year.

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Speaker 3: Kevin, you're not supposed to be high at work? What's

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Speaker 3: happening here?

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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not high. I'm drunk. There's best

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Speaker 1: do you want to get hi?

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Speaker 3: Come on five o'clock five.

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Speaker 2: So obviously, Mike Tomlin steps away after eighteen years at

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Speaker 2: the helm for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and it opens up

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Speaker 2: a new search and we know this is the franchise

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Speaker 2: that does not fire coaches. Whoever's there is going to

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Speaker 2: be there for the long haul.

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Speaker 3: How long isn't he sixty something? Already?

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Speaker 2: Well, Look, I don't know how long, but most people

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Speaker 2: assumed that they will bring somebody in who was young,

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Speaker 2: who were growing to the job.

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Speaker 1: That did not happen.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Mike McCarthy is in his early sixties, obviously was

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Speaker 2: at He's coached just as long as Mike Tomlin eighteen

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Speaker 2: years between Green Bay and the Dallas Cowboys. And yes,

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Speaker 2: we've heard all the jokes and seen all the jokes

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Speaker 2: that he's basically the wider and heftier Mike Tomlin. I've

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Speaker 2: heard that and all the parallels that have been drawn

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Speaker 2: Tomlin ate and twice playoff record.

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Speaker 1: I don't see color.

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Speaker 3: Why would Why would somebody say? What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? I'm just saying I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm just gonna dist a dose a reality

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Speaker 2: for you at.

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Speaker 1: Not wider.

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy eleven and eleven postseason record, one Super Bowl championship,

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Speaker 2: a victory over Mike Tomlin, by the way, and Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin eight and twelve in the playoff they both have

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Speaker 2: was thinking about sixty percentage in the regular season. People

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Speaker 2: are saying this is just a mere remage, This is

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Speaker 2: a Spider Man meme. Spider man mean pointing at each other.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the offensive version of Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: And how was this supposed to project us forward? I

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Speaker 2: don't disc forward. I mean I felt the same way

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Speaker 2: when Dallas brought him in. Honestly, I didn't like to

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Speaker 2: pick up for the Cowboys his last stop. I thought

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Speaker 2: he was better than Jason Garrett. Now how much better

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I thought he was at least

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Speaker 2: an improvement over Jason Garrett.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, but I'm looking for a younger innovator type.

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Speaker 3: It's not that I think Mike McCarthy's a bad coach.

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Speaker 3: It's that I think he's a god awful He's a

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Speaker 3: terrible game dag manager. Like there could be an actual

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Speaker 3: timex Indie Glow fifty feet high watch at center field

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Speaker 3: with the light on and he still couldn't read the

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Speaker 3: clock correctly. He is so bad in those situations. Now,

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Speaker 3: can you insulate him? Can you find other guys to

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Speaker 3: handle that?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Fine, But I still feel like the ceiling it's pretty low,

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Speaker 3: and it's below winning a super Bowl with somebody like him,

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Speaker 3: the floor may be higher. He may establish something a

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Speaker 3: foundation there, but they already had that in Pittsburgh, that

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Speaker 3: really wasn't the issue.

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Speaker 2: The dynamic of the floor would change because Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 2: a guy with a defensive background. Their defense has been

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Speaker 2: good for the most part his entire tenure. They were

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Speaker 2: good this past year, I would say, not great, but solid,

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Speaker 2: especially in the second half.

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Speaker 1: Of the season. Offensively as been their big issue.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to say he's gonna come in

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Speaker 2: and raise the floor for their offense, which is kind

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Speaker 2: of devoid of talent outside of DK Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: you really don't know if Aaron Rodgers is coming back

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Speaker 2: or not. He said he wants Aaron Rodgers to return.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens there. He's at least I think,

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Speaker 2: gonna be able to give them a bit of a

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Speaker 2: jolt offensively, which is something they've been missing really for

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Speaker 2: the past I don't know, six years, whatever it's been.

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Speaker 2: They've not really had a lot of consistency on offense.

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Speaker 2: So if you pair the defense, they bring in Patrick Graham,

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Speaker 2: who's been the defensive coordinator for the Raiders the last

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Speaker 2: few years, and that's really been the shining star of

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Speaker 2: that franchise because that offense has been got awful the

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Speaker 2: defense has actually been pretty solid, so I think Patrick

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Speaker 2: Graham is a good higher for the defense to keep

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Speaker 2: some continuity there as far as keeping that unit together

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Speaker 2: with their talented young players like you know TJ. Wadtos

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Speaker 2: or excuse me, TJ. Wad, who's getting up there in age,

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Speaker 2: but they have some talent. They're fine defensively. Offensively is

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Speaker 2: where he needs to raise the ceiling. The problem is,

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Speaker 2: to your point, I just don't understand his game management

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Speaker 2: skills leave much to be desired. And when you're in

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Speaker 2: a sport like this where everything is won on the

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Speaker 2: mar margins, you can't afford to be able to give

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Speaker 2: games away because you mismanaged your timeouts, or you you know,

637
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 2: call the wrong play at the wrong time, or your

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00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: your team just comes out flat and unprepared, like they

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Speaker 2: did in that wildcard game at home against Green Bay

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Speaker 2: when they were down twenty eight to nothing before they

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Speaker 2: could blink.

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Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, who was the old Packers

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Speaker 3: wide receiver? Was it Jordie Nelson? The white guy?

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Speaker 1: I don't see color Adam sunders you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there was a play with the Packers back in

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Speaker 3: the day where Mike McCarthy tried to challenge something that

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Speaker 3: was unchallengeable, which would lead to a penalty, and Jordy

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Speaker 3: Nelson came by and picked up his challenge flag, making

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Speaker 3: sure they didn't get that penalty called on them because

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Speaker 3: he knew the rule better than his own head coach

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Speaker 3: knew it.

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Speaker 1: Guy, he's grown from that, Adam Kwan.

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Speaker 3: That is alarming. Oh he was only fifty then, Like,

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Speaker 3: how old is he? Sixties?

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Speaker 1: In his sixties early sixties.

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Speaker 3: I believe, yes, I just like young innovator types that

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Speaker 3: you can grow with your agist. I'm not an ageist.

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Speaker 3: I'm just a hater when it comes to Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 3: and I always have been, basically since that exact play

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Speaker 3: when I was watching that game and I was like,

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00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: this dumb ass doesn't know the rules and Jordy Nelson

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Speaker 3: does his receiver.

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Speaker 2: Now, would you have patience if it were a young

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Speaker 2: head coach who had no experience who did the exact

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Speaker 2: same thing, or would you hold him to that same time?

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Speaker 1: I would?

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Speaker 3: I remember when Donnie Maddingly against the Giants he was

668
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Speaker 3: the manager of the Dodgers at this time. Or no,

669
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Speaker 3: it was Joe Torre who got ejected from the game,

670
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Speaker 3: first of all, and he was his bench coach guy,

671
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Speaker 3: and so he has to come in. And he made

672
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Speaker 3: the mistake of visiting the mound twice back to back,

673
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 3: and Bruce Bochi called him out for that, and I

674
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Speaker 3: think the runner advanced a base or something like that.

675
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Speaker 3: I was like, well, he's young, he's not in this

676
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: position very often. He'll learn, he'll get better. You can't

677
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: teach an old dog new tricks. What's Mike McCarthy going

678
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: to learn?

679
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Speaker 1: At this point, we know who he is.

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Speaker 3: And for the for the Pittsburgh Steelers fans to have

681
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Speaker 3: to deal with this when they felt like, finally we

682
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Speaker 3: get to move on breath of fresh air. We get

683
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: to have somebody that you know, we're going to grow

684
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Speaker 3: with him. We're gonna learn who this head coach is.

685
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Speaker 3: And when he makes mistakes, that doesn't mean it's gonna

686
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Speaker 3: crystallize of him always making those same mistakes over and

687
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Speaker 3: over again.

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Speaker 1: At least you would hope not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Mike McCarthy, you know who he is. And

690
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Speaker 3: I don't know as much stock as we put into

691
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Speaker 3: guys that have a super Bowl win and we say, well,

692
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Speaker 3: they're a super Bowl winning head coach. Then that's that's

693
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Speaker 3: on the resume they've earned that.

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Speaker 2: I mean to a degree, yes, But Mike McCarthy also

695
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 2: has had a pretty damn good record in the regular

696
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Speaker 2: season too.

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Speaker 3: You know what, though, is he not Doc Rivers or

698
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: something that's a bunch of crap? Is he not a

699
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: Doc Rivers head coach? He won with a stacked, stacked

700
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Speaker 3: Green Bay Packers team and Aaron Rodgers who had like

701
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: a QB rating that year in the playoffs of one

702
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: point thirty, one of the best quarterback runs ever. I'm

703
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: not trying to take away any of the accolades or

704
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Speaker 3: any of the achievements and trophies that he's won, but

705
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: I do think when you look into the details with

706
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Speaker 3: some of these guys and see how they won, that

707
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: matters to me. I always felt like they left some

708
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: championships on the table with him and Aaron Rodgers when

709
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: he got Aaron Rodgers and just Prime then and it

710
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Speaker 3: felt a little bit like Doc Rivers is to me,

711
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Speaker 3: and people were saying the same thing with Mike Tomlin.

712
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, this is exact same thing. I mean,

713
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: we're a long time removed from twenty eleven when they

714
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Speaker 2: won that Super Bowl against Tomlin and the Steelers, just

715
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Speaker 2: like we're a long wayer moved from two thousand and

716
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Speaker 2: eight when Tomlin won the Super Bowl.

717
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Speaker 3: So LEAs Tomlin got to a couple with Ben Roethlisberger

718
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: and they were always in the mix. And I'm not

719
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Speaker 3: saying the Packers weren't. But there was a reason Green

720
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Speaker 3: Bay moved on from him. They felt like they kind

721
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Speaker 3: of outgrew him.

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Speaker 1: Oh they hit a ceiling. They were not there. They

723
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Speaker 1: had stalled, there was no progress being made.

724
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Speaker 3: I just it's interesting.

725
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Speaker 1: Though they had.

726
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Speaker 2: I mean, then look, and there's some things that breaks

727
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Speaker 2: don't go your way. There was that NFC Championship game

728
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Speaker 2: against Seattle with the on side kick. I mean, that's

729
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl right there. So some things are on

730
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Speaker 2: the margins and things you just don't get the bounce

731
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Speaker 2: for whatever reason. But you have to be able to

732
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Speaker 2: overcome that if you're at the helm for as long

733
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Speaker 2: as he was there.

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Speaker 3: But what you brought up earlier about winning on the

735
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Speaker 3: margins and how close playoff games are, He's not going

736
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Speaker 3: to aid you there. He's going to hurt you there,

737
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Speaker 3: and that would be my biggest concern. So you get

738
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Speaker 3: back into this same you know, quagmire with the Pittsburgh

739
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: Steelers where it's always a losing battle in the playoffs

740
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Speaker 3: because they feel like they don't get that edge, they

741
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Speaker 3: don't win the close games. Other teams are just out

742
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Speaker 3: scheming them a little bit.

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Speaker 8: Well.

744
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Speaker 2: In recent years, they've been getting run off the field

745
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Speaker 2: in playoff games.

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Speaker 3: And that's what did in Mike Tomlin. It have been

747
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Speaker 3: almost ten years between playoff wins. So I honestly don't

748
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: love the higher I think it's a safe call. I

749
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 3: think it's a guy who gives you a foundation, a

750
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Speaker 3: system of philosophy. He's an adult, of course, and he's

751
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Speaker 3: down god head coach, which.

752
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Speaker 1: Is what they're selling, which doesn't do a whole lot

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Speaker 1: for me. Like I mean, great, the fans there do

754
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Speaker 1: not care. Who gives a rip.

755
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh fan have had enough of being nine and eight

756
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: or whatever Jeff Fisher that they want to take that

757
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: next step. And there's a lot of uncertainty because you

758
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: brought up Aaron Rodgers. He coming back. If he keeps

759
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers there for another year before he retires, is

760
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Speaker 3: that is that a selling point? Yeah, But we're gonna

761
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Speaker 3: hold on to Aaron Rodgers because we got Mike McCarthy.

762
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Speaker 3: Is that big of a deal.

763
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Speaker 2: The hopeful selling point is that you'd hold on for

764
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers while you groom the next guy behind him,

765
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Speaker 2: whoever that's gonna end up being, whether some a young

766
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: guy in free agency or someone you find in the draft,

767
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: and your hope is that he finds a way to

768
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Speaker 2: help develop him, like I guess people would assume he

769
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: helped develop Aaron. Although Aaron I feel like is one

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Speaker 2: of those transcendent players. He was probably gonna be great

771
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Speaker 2: no matter where he was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not to do, I thought, But Brett Farv took

773
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: him under his wing. I thought Brett Farv really was

774
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Speaker 3: helping him out. That that's not true.

775
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Speaker 2: That's not the story necessarily, Okay, necessarily he wasn't the

776
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Speaker 2: greatest mentor, No, he wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, we do have more NFL in a

778
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Speaker 3: little bit with Vinnie b Vinnie bon Signor will be here,

779
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Speaker 3: But we gotta get to some geek news. In a

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Speaker 3: video game fact that I've been waiting to talk about

781
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Speaker 3: that I'm pretty excited about because it's one of the

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Speaker 3: best FPS games first person shooters ever that I played

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Speaker 3: a ton of and I think you played some too,

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Speaker 3: and I know our listeners did. We'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: It's celebrating his thirtieth anniversary. That's all coming up next

786
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Speaker 3: here on F and A on FSR.

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, F and A Cottonna F and A on FSR.

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Speaker 1: Back here on Fox Football Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Coming up, we still gotta talk about Bill Belichick and

795
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame first ballot snub. But right now

796
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Speaker 3: we got some geek news. What's a new loan?

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Speaker 9: Denman?

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Speaker 1: You're playing D and D tonight? You want to come cases?

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Speaker 3: What's go?

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Speaker 2: Guys, don't be jealous that I've been chining online with

801
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Speaker 2: fabs all day.

802
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Speaker 3: Just keep a power close off her passion right who

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Speaker 3: I say out?

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Speaker 1: It's kenelmen So.

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Speaker 10: On January twenty sixth of nineteen ninety six, the shareware

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Speaker 10: version of the first person shooter Duke Newcomb three D

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Speaker 10: was released.

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Speaker 1: Oh there you go.

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Speaker 3: This week is the thirtieth anniversary of one of the

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00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: greatest first person shooters ever. It was the first known

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Speaker 3: in the genre, not even close. I mean that would

812
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: be Wolfenstein three D and then you have Doom. But

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Speaker 3: to me, this was almost like the third in that

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Speaker 3: type of trilogy. When you look at the evolution of

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00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: first person shooters FPS games, it felt like the natural

816
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: successor to those two, the building upon kind of what

817
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: they did and adding new features like more creative weapons

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Speaker 3: with an aiming system.

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Speaker 2: Now, when did Golden Eye come out? Was it after

820
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Speaker 2: this or was it around the same time. It was

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Speaker 2: around the same because I feel like this is ninety six.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Golden I was somewhere but seeing nineties five,

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Speaker 2: ninety six, ninety seven somewhere in there. Now, you're right,

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Speaker 2: because Golden Eyes is a hall of fame, you know, FPS,

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00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: you know in its in and of itself.

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Speaker 3: For the whole console that's probably the goat Yeah, four

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Speaker 3: player and sixty four. Yeah, it does feel around ninety

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Speaker 3: six because Goldene I think came out around ninety six.

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Speaker 3: That might be an anniversary coming up in geek News

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: We'll take it.

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Speaker 3: But this had a fun factor with the character and

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00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: the personality of Duke nukea much more than Wolfenstein did,

834
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Speaker 3: and the Marine Corps guy in Doom a little bit

835
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Speaker 3: more of.

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Speaker 2: A serious tone than the Wolfenstein you know. Yeah, well,

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00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: for obvious reasons.

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00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: It was very serious. Yeah, I mean the stakes.

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Speaker 3: Were pretty high, but let's not overlook the stakes and

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Speaker 3: Duke Nukeomb where you run around with hot strippers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so here's some facts on Stripper Duke Nukeomb's three D.

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Speaker 3: First of all, the creators gave the game a parental lock,

843
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Speaker 3: but all it does is make the strippers invisible, like

844
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Speaker 3: they go after you run out of money at the club.

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Speaker 3: You know, many don't even know Duke nukemb three D

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Speaker 3: was built upon two other Duke Nukem games that were

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Speaker 3: in two D, and uh.

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Speaker 1: I was not aware of that.

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Speaker 3: I think the entire reason they made it Duke Nukem

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Speaker 3: three D is because people are like, we need these

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Speaker 3: strippers in three D.

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Speaker 1: What are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: In the two D Duke Nukem games, you may have

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Speaker 3: noticed Duke drops a lot of lines from Bruce Campbell's

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Speaker 3: character Ash in Evil Dead, like Yeah, come get Some

856
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Speaker 3: or Hail to the King Baby. A lot of Duke

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Speaker 3: nukemb is homage paid to Evil Dead by Duke, and

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Speaker 3: even the cover art for Duke nukemb three d is

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Speaker 3: vern It's pattern after Army of Darkness, the movie poster.

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Speaker 3: But then there's also this one.

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Speaker 6: It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I.

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00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: Am all out of gum. So that's a variation of

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Speaker 3: Roddy Piper's line from the John Carpenter movie They Live

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Speaker 3: and we all think it's Duke Nukem original, it's not.

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Speaker 3: A lot of his stuff isn't original at all. Do

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Speaker 3: they trademark any of this stuff? Or they did just

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Speaker 3: like you know, just record it blindly and hope for

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Speaker 3: the best. Why would they sue us?

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Speaker 1: We gave them strippers in this game, That's all you need, right.

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Speaker 3: Duke Nukem is like homage to eighties and early nineties

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Speaker 3: action stars. He even looks a lot like Arnold Schwarzenegger, right,

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00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: He's kind of an amalgamation of all those And there's

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00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: even references in the game to Indiana Jones, to Duff Beer,

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Speaker 3: Empire Strikes Back, Star Trek Terminator O. J. Simpson. Duke

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Speaker 3: is like a pop culture I love the eighties and

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00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 3: nineties fiend really in level one pint one Hollywood Holocaust,

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Speaker 3: there's also a phone number at a urinal that's the

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Speaker 3: number eight six seven five three ohne the popular song

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Speaker 3: Jenny by Tommy Tutone. The developers had to rename Duke

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Speaker 3: temporarily from Duke nukeom n uk e M to n

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Speaker 3: uk um because a villain on Captain Planet and the

882
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: Planet's Tears was spelled n uk e m, and they

883
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: were afraid of copy infringements. Right, but Captain Planet apparently.

884
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: Don't ever let those tree huggers come after you, man,

885
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: Captain Planet. Now.

886
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: They were too busy saving the trees to remember to

887
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: license that character.

888
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: Oops.

889
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: They were too busy saving the planet like Duke is

890
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: trying to do by saving one stripper at a time.

891
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Maybe. But one of the main creators.

892
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: Who made Duke nukem uh it was named Scott Miller,

893
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: the founder of Apodgy Software or opage I forget whatever

894
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: how you pronounced this gaming company before it became three

895
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: D Realms.

896
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

897
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: He wasn't interested in programming at all until he learned

898
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: you could create and play games with a computer. In

899
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: the early seventies at school, he was leaving windows open

900
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: at school unlocked so he could sneak in later at

901
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 3: night in program games on a computer that was known

902
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 3: as the Weighing twenty two hundred.

903
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: Of course it was. I'm sure it wasn't wrong.

904
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: It turned into the Dong sixty nine hundred at one point,

905
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: I think. But Scott was eventually caught by his teacher,

906
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: who was so impressed that he was sneaking into the

907
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: school to do work afterwards that he gave him a key.

908
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: To the classroom eventually.

909
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: So there you have it.

910
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: So you're not coming in, you're not stealing stuff or

911
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: breaking anything. You're breaking in basically to program and the

912
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: rest is history.

913
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: I'll take it.

914
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: He went on a program some of the most popular

915
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: games ever, like Dude else did you do?

916
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Well? All you need is Duke NUKEMB three D eight.

917
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: So there was one called Duke Nukem Forever, and it

918
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 3: took forever, ever, forever.

919
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Ever what rearely.

920
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: It was announced in nineteen ninety seven and it didn't

921
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: get released until twenty eleven. I'm seeing there you go

922
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: that happened, and by the tide it got released, there

923
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: was so much built up anticipation for this game. It

924
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: would live up to the hype exactly, and other games

925
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: that started to pass it by, well they were developing

926
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: this other games, you know, were far more advanced.

927
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 3: So it just it didn't kind of scratch that itch

928
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: that Duke Newcomb fans had for fifteen years waiting.

929
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: Do you know what took so damn long from.

930
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: Their idea was it has to be the greatest game ever.

931
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: We have to make this perfect.

932
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: You're setting yourself up a failure. You do something like that.

933
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't let it never going to be perfect, perfect,

934
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: getting the way of good or better?

935
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: Perfect good better, it's the enemy.

936
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: Of perfect or better. I think the first one is

937
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: still very playable because there's jet packs and there's all

938
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: these unique weaponry that you can run with, and you

939
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 3: could play guys one on one through using the modem.

940
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: We used to do this right, so like you would

941
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: be Duke and someone else would be Duke, and yeah,

942
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: you duke it out a death match a Duke get.

943
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, you'd call them on the modem unless those

944
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: sister's using the phone and kicks them off. That would happen.

945
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 3: That really happened all the time, Jody get off them

946
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: over the pier. And then she'd used that as an

947
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: argument for getting her own phone line right the party line. Yes, yeah,

948
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 3: but Duke Nukem legendary game. Happy thirtieth anniversary. Yeah, I

949
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: played it on Was it in sixty four?

950
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: I believe it was? So it was a pretty good game.

951
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: When was mode it?

952
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 5: Over?

953
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 9: All?

954
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: Right?

955
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: More fn A on FSR, More NFL coming up next.

956
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio Hour two of

957
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: Fox Football Saturday. Kevin Figures and Adam alsin with you

958
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: guys at k fig one and that follow out of

959
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: a is where you can find us on X.

960
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: You can find me outside of the NBA's office is

961
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: protesting this loss the Clippers had to the Denver Nuggets

962
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: and I had over a bad call. It was the

963
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: screw job forget Brett and Heart in Canada.

964
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, you know what the league office

965
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: out there is the caucus is thinking about how can

966
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: we find a way to screw over the Clippers.

967
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: That's that's what they're thinking about.

968
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: Right now, twenty four to seven. Yeah, sure, that's all they.

969
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: Think of the done a good enough job themselves over

970
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: the past fifteen years, especially to screw themselves out of

971
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: important games, like we.

972
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: Don't have to talk about old stuff. Oh okay, gotcha,

973
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: thank you all right.

974
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: Coming up in a little bit, we do have Vidie

975
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: Botsignor joining us YEP, NFL senior columnist for.

976
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: The California Post.

977
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can post up now. He'll be joining us

978
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: talking about Bill Belichick, another screwjob happening with him not

979
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: being a first ballot Hall.

980
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: Of Famer, some of the other coaching changes.

981
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: And we'll preview the Super Bowl just a little bit

982
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: because you know, we got like a week left.

983
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: We do have plenty of time, plenty of time. But

984
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: since you're talking NBA here, Adam, Yeah, fn NBA fool. Yeah.

985
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: Lebron James made some news this week, not about his

986
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: return to Cleveland and whether or not his you know,

987
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: tears were real or not. We're not going to get

988
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: into that whole stuff what was real? But really you

989
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: don't know about this controversy years Yeah. Oh video tribute

990
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: in Cleveland and he's sitting on the sideline and he

991
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: gets choked up or he gets really emotional and the

992
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: people like it's all for show and it's not genuine.

993
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: But I know he's not a good actor. I've seen

994
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 3: some Space jam too. Those tears must be real. Nay,

995
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: come on, people hate Lebron James that much.

996
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: Yes, they're questioning that, Yes they do. I'm not surprised. Yes,

997
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: they absolutely do.

998
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: He can't really be emotional thinking back to the place

999
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: has started at all? In year twenty two, twenty one?

1000
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 4: What is it?

1001
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: Lebron's forty one? He can't win the matter what he does.

1002
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: There are certain people but calizing figures and sports.

1003
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: You know what I call it?

1004
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: Lebron derangement syndrome. Oh, here we go DS.

1005
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: I like that, That's what I call it. Don't give it.

1006
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: That's how much they hate Lebron James. They got LDS.

1007
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like if you search LDS something, it's

1008
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: not going to be Lebron Arrangers sending him that pops up.

1009
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 7: Well.

1010
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: I do think he could be a hatable sports figure,

1011
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: but people take it way too far. They are looking

1012
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: to blame him for anything and everything they can.

1013
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the way I look at it too.

1014
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: I got into an argument argument is strong.

1015
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: A discussion with our colleague Petros Papadakus earlier this week

1016
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: about this.

1017
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: Tell him, tell him, Kevin. I don't forget how how

1018
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: Lebron came up.

1019
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: But he's got some LDS's. I've told him and Matt

1020
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 3: Mney Smith this before.

1021
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he absolutely does. I was like, I said, like, oh, yeah,

1022
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Lebron's the best player of all time. He's like, no,

1023
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: he's not bite a real show. I was like, well,

1024
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: who's better? He He's like everybody, everybody, that's all everybody.

1025
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: I can't even take you seriously right now, you know

1026
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: Bronni's better. I was like, I can separate whether or

1027
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: not I like some of his antics, or how he

1028
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: speaks out, or how he sub tweets, or and all

1029
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: this other stuff from him just as a player on

1030
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: the court. I could take all the other stuff away,

1031
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: and now much how great of a player he is

1032
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: and how dominant he's been. I don't know why that's

1033
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: so hard for people to break apart and compartmentalize.

1034
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: It's not that difficult.

1035
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: Because they are obsessed with him, especially in Los Angeles,

1036
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: especially for people who were Kobe Bryant fans. I'm not

1037
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: saying Petros was or money was from That's not where

1038
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: they're at. They're just exhausted with clutch sports and everything

1039
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: that comes with him. I understand you're talking about on

1040
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: the court.

1041
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Yes, on the court. How can you argue with what

1042
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: he's accomplished and what he's done. You can't. There is

1043
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: no arguing yet.

1044
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's obviously top two, maybe top

1045
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: three with Kareem.

1046
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say if you want to make it

1047
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: a debate between Jordan Kareem and Lebron James, I'm with you.

1048
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm here for the debates. By all means. We're not

1049
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: going to do the go debate though tonight. No, I

1050
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: don't think now we'll say that. We'll save that for

1051
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: the summer.

1052
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: But Lebron James did make some interesting comments on his

1053
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: Mind the Game podcast with Tyreese Halliburton being a guest recently.

1054
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: He did he's got some time right now recovering from

1055
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: the Achilles injury. And yes, I did put this into

1056
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 3: the system. He's got some time today. Get healthy. Halle,

1057
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: we love you. But there was that's great. I'm guessing

1058
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: part of the reason that you were talking about Lebron

1059
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 3: with Petros is because of these comments.

1060
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: Uh No, it was because of it. It was because

1061
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: of the tears in Cleveland. Okay, the tears flowing in Cleveland.

1062
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: This part of it was Now Petrols did t sweet

1063
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: about this, by the way.

1064
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: That's what I saw.

1065
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the tiers. Petros also believes they're fake crocodile

1066
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: tears that he can't actually show any emotion.

1067
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: Exactly.

1068
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 2: But I guess it wasn't necessarily genuine at that point

1069
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: in time, and it was just because I'm in Cleveland

1070
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: it may or may not be my last time the

1071
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: camera is going to be on me for a video tribute.

1072
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: That it's all calculated. I think a lot of what

1073
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: Lebron does is calculated.

1074
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't know if that was I think he

1075
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: could truly be overcome by emotion being back in Cleveland,

1076
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: getting that warm reception there. I think he may have

1077
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 3: been moved. I think that's a possibility. Again, I've seen

1078
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: him act. I don't know if he has it in

1079
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: him to do something like that. What do they say

1080
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: you have to like go to a dark place to

1081
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: get the fake tears out for acting like remembering like

1082
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: a family pet that died as a kid or something

1083
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: like that. I don't know. Maybe you pulled that off.

1084
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: But he was talking about a subject we have discussed

1085
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: before on this very show, in on the f Anda

1086
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: podcast for years, and I think it's worth diving into.

1087
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: But first let's hear from Lebron.

1088
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 4: Playing eighty two games in the eighties and nineties is

1089
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: not the same it's playing eighty two games in the

1090
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 4: twenty twenties. It's just not the way we play. The

1091
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 4: level of pace, the level of the speed that we're

1092
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 4: playing at. It's a different game now. It's a totally

1093
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 4: different game. And you know, it's a lot of soft

1094
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 4: tissue injuries that's happened now because of it. I hope

1095
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: we can get a handle on that as well, you know,

1096
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 4: because that's big in our game. I think when I

1097
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 4: first came into the you know, to the league Reees,

1098
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: some of the biggest concerns of injuries was like, you know,

1099
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: a high ankle sprain. You know, you was afraid to

1100
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 4: step on somebody's ankle because four or five guys.

1101
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 1: Sitting in the paint.

1102
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 4: So, you know, guys with athleticism, myself, Tracy McGrady, you know,

1103
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: Vince Carter, you know, to name a couple guys, sometimes

1104
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: you're afraid to take off into the lane because there

1105
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 4: was four or five guys sitting in the paint, and

1106
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: if you land on somebody's ankle, you get a high

1107
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: ankles frame. You out four to six weeks. Now, that's

1108
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: not really much of them. You don't really see that

1109
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: as much now because the game is so spread open,

1110
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 4: it's so much pace. But now you see the new

1111
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 4: high ankles frame is the calf right, you know. So

1112
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 4: you know, hopefully we could get a handle on that

1113
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 4: from a medical standpoint, but it's just the game. I

1114
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 4: just want the fans I understand that the game is

1115
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 4: a little different.

1116
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: So I like the way he ended it versus the

1117
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: way that he started. Because when you say that it's harder,

1118
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: that's where you get all the old fog. He's coming

1119
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: after you. I would define it as it's just different.

1120
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: The game is very different now than it was back then.

1121
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: The pace is different, and people brought up because of

1122
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: the term pace came up a lot and people were like, oh,

1123
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: the alex English different nuggets played at a high pace

1124
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: and they all played eighty two games.

1125
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that couldn't be though, because they

1126
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: played so much defense back then, how could they average

1127
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and ten points per game without utilizing a

1128
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: three pointer when they were all just playing so much

1129
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: defense back then. Oh wait, it was just Detroit. They

1130
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 3: were an outlier, and that's why everybody remembers the Bad

1131
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: Boy Pistons because they disrupted their game of just going

1132
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 3: coast to coast, rolling the ball out there and having

1133
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: fast breaks with showtime, left.

1134
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: And right, have anything.

1135
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: They're the ones that actually took basketball backwards in the

1136
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: nineties and made it ugly and slowed it down, and

1137
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: we actually started having low scores.

1138
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: Yes, because of the Bad Boy Pistons.

1139
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: I do think though, because there's plenty of evidence about this.

1140
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: All sorts.

1141
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: I've been citing an article from twenty eighteen talking about

1142
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: these youth basketball kids their knees are a ticking time bomb.

1143
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: It is from twenty eighteen with them talking about the

1144
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: fact they're putting more mileage on their legs early on

1145
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: in specialized sports and AAU and playing so much more

1146
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 3: then guys used two back in the day at a

1147
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 3: younger age. It leaves them susceptible to more injuries by

1148
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 3: the time they get into the league, and that accounts

1149
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: for a.

1150
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: Lot of guys who are nineteen twenty twenty one have

1151
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: the legs and sometimes the bodies of guys who are

1152
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty forty years ago, because to

1153
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: your point, they just didn't have the wear and tear.

1154
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: I mean, this kid, these kids are playing like five

1155
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: six games in a day at times.

1156
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: What ridiculous.

1157
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: The toughest dudes ever that would play through injury in

1158
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant rip as it was just the six year

1159
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 3: anniversary of his tragic death. He's quoted in that article,

1160
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: I think talking about Gigi and making sure they don't

1161
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: play too much at a young age, because he didn't

1162
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 3: and he thought it was dangerous. The guy who was

1163
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: the all time tough guy that would play through anything.

1164
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 3: If anybody would say get off my lawn back in

1165
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 3: the day and say no, these kids are soft like

1166
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: Kobe wasn't saying that. No, not in the least he

1167
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: understood the risk. And people look at the problem is

1168
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: the perception is pulled from the Detroit Pistons and ten

1169
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: to fifteen plays and low lights or highlights of them

1170
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: smashing Michael Jordan, and they try to extrapolate that out

1171
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: and say that's how the entire.

1172
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: NBA was, and it was like this all the time. No,

1173
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:26,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't.

1174
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: You keep reusing the same physical fouls back then and

1175
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: trying to make it seem like that was happening every possession.

1176
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't. Otherwise, Guys, they were still being called for

1177
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 3: those fouled fouls would foul out in games constantly within

1178
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 3: like ten minutes. If it was happening all the time

1179
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: like that. What really puts the wear and tear on

1180
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: them is running more miles.

1181
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: That's what it is.

1182
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: So people talk about pace is like pace is just

1183
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: based on how many possessions you have in a particular game,

1184
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily account for how fast the game moves,

1185
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: especially now that it's all spread out. And you brought

1186
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 2: up the toe, you brought up the three point line.

1187
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: The three point line was there, but it wasn't really

1188
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: a factor in the eighties or the nineties, no way,

1189
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: nowhere close to where it is now. So guys now

1190
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: have to defend further out, Guys have to travel faster

1191
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: or more often the start stop, the start and stop

1192
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: because everything is screen and roll nowadays, so you're constantly switching, cutting,

1193
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: jumping back.

1194
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: Then your half court sets. If you weren't getting up

1195
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: and down.

1196
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: You threw the ball into a big You stood there

1197
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: for twenty seconds and tried to figure something out at

1198
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: the end of the clock.

1199
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: So these guys are in constant motion left and right.

1200
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: Yes, they don't attack the paint like they used to,

1201
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: and there's not physical but they again Lebron brought up

1202
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: a good point.

1203
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: The paint isn't clogged. Everything is spread out.

1204
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 2: You have to travel more, you have to your start

1205
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: and stop your acceleration and deceleration on a dime. Although

1206
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: that puts more wear and tear on your joints. Well,

1207
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: and that's the stuff that people just don't don't talk

1208
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: about or think about.

1209
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: And it's if guys are running a mile more per

1210
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: game than they used to, then over eighty two games

1211
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 3: or sixty five, however, many of these guys end up playing.

1212
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: It all adds up when you go into years being played.

1213
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: Now they've played five hundred more miles, you know, over

1214
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 3: a six year period than guys did previously. And that's

1215
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: still not taking into account how year round the training is, well,

1216
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: how much guys push things in the offseason. That same

1217
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: article about the ticking time bomb with knees top with

1218
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan's trainer. You know what he said, Jordan wouldn't

1219
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: bounce to basketball after the season ended till September again,

1220
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: he'd just go off and play golf.

1221
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: Yep, maybe he lift weights and do some cardio stuff.

1222
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, those guys.

1223
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: You hear about these legendary pickup games that Maggie Johnson

1224
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: and and Patrick Ewing and these guys would play at

1225
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: UCLA in the offseason.

1226
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: It'd be a couple of runs in like August or something.

1227
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: They weren't going to the Drew Leagan, then from that

1228
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: to another league, and then from that from an open court.

1229
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: These guys are playing all the freaking time year round.

1230
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 3: You know how Norman Powell got so good out of

1231
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 3: UCLA offensively in this league where nobody thought he'd get

1232
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: to this point where he's averaging over twenty points a game.

1233
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: He does three a day, and.

1234
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 3: They have to stop him at times from overdoing it.

1235
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 3: These guys overtrain themselves. Everybody's always acting like, oh, these

1236
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 3: guys don't care, blah blah blah.

1237
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: This is not true.

1238
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: It flies in the face of the reality of the situation.

1239
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: Right now in the NBA, guys want to play. The

1240
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 3: reason they train so hard is so they can actually

1241
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: play in the games. That's what's fun for them. They

1242
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: don't want to miss games like they do. People say,

1243
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: people act like these guys go out there and they're

1244
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: intentionally missing games. That's not the case at.

1245
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: Aloholly Oh, Not to cut you off, but I said,

1246
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: most of the time when players aren't playing, it's not

1247
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: even the player's call.

1248
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: Most of it's time miss to the organization that does it.

1249
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 3: People think Kawhi Leonard is the one controlling everything, and

1250
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 3: it's like, what's fun for Kawhi isn't all the training

1251
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: that he has done over the years that you don't see,

1252
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: which has also gotten him to a place where he's

1253
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 3: this high level score, which he wasn't coming out of college.

1254
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 3: He trained to the point that maybe it has been

1255
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 3: a detriment to his body at times and he's had

1256
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 3: to ramp things down. But the fun part is actually

1257
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: getting to be able to play in games. The hard

1258
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: part is all the training they do behind the scenes

1259
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 3: that nobody sees. So don't tell me they don't want

1260
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 3: to play in the games. They train like that to

1261
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 3: hopefully be able to show their skills that they've developed

1262
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 3: over the years through this training to get to show

1263
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 3: off in an actual basketball game.

1264
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: Now, look where.

1265
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: People may orre they more apt to play through injury

1266
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: back in the day, probably, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but that

1267
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: was to their detriment.

1268
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: That's why you had a lot of guys with the

1269
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: very short careers, right, we know more about the human body.

1270
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 3: If those guys had the knowledge we had today, they

1271
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be pushing themselves like that.

1272
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 2: We're doing the same thing for everybody that talks about

1273
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: load management. You know who got load managed Michael Jordan

1274
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: when he came back from an ankle in from breaking

1275
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: his foot. Yeah, but everybody conveniently forgot until that documentary

1276
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 2: came out.

1277
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: Or maybe like retiring multiple times and taking years off. Yeah,

1278
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: is that load managing?

1279
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: Uh huh? Giving me a break.

1280
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: All right, We'll take a break, and coming up next,

1281
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: we're gonna dive back into the NFL our friend, Vinnie

1282
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: Bots and your national NFL columnist for the California Post,

1283
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,040
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1284
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: talk about the Bill Belichick controversy as well.

1285
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,480
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1286
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,120
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1302
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,160
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00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,600
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1304
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: a famous comedian, I would expect him to be a

1305
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,480
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1306
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: the R word talking about eighties and nineties basketball said

1307
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 3: that on X and it's like, you know, I grew

1308
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: up revering that era, and I thought it was the

1309
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 3: pinnacle of basketball, and not everything holds up as well

1310
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,479
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Speaker 3: from back then and it doesn't look the way you

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Speaker 3: remember it. I'm just gotta the way like that. There's

1314
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Speaker 3: the movies the same way that don't hold up as well.

1315
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 3: Eighties nineties basketball doesn't mean they're not great.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean he doesn't hold up. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: that it wasn't entertaining.

1319
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 2: But sure, I think to say that, you know, to

1320
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: say that what Lebron said is total bs and that

1321
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: there's no merit to it, I think that's misinformed.

1322
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: I think it's shortsighted. I think I say it again.

1323
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Speaker 2: We can argue whether or not it's quote unquote harder,

1324
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: but it's definitely different. And it's not fair to say

1325
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: these guys are all soft because they happen to miss

1326
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 2: games due to injury. When we're talking about the wear

1327
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: and tear being different. Again, there's actual signs to back

1328
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: all this up. We're not just pulling this out of

1329
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 2: our ass.

1330
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1331
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: I think people that believe all that they're bankrupt when

1332
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 3: it comes to context and looking into the data, because

1333
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: it's just more fun to say these guys are soft

1334
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: and they're not as tough as my heroes I had

1335
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: growing up, and that's all it is. They're nostalgia merchants.

1336
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 3: They love their member berries. And I still love the

1337
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: old game too, and I like watching old clips. It's

1338
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: fun to me. But the game keeps moving, the game advances,

1339
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 3: and the way guys play now, I think it's more

1340
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: physically demanding with all the start and stop and explosive

1341
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: movements in a half court set. If you watch that,

1342
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: and there are side by sides of half court sets

1343
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: nowadays versus how it looked on average back then, there's

1344
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: just infinitely more movement. For instance, in the NBA Finals,

1345
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: you watch how they're setting screens as soon as they

1346
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 3: cross half court. Last season OKC and the Indiana Pacers

1347
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: and all the switching and everything you have to account for.

1348
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: Our defenses are much more sophisticated they have to be now.

1349
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: So you know, I still love the old game and

1350
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: the old guys. There's nothing against it. It's just I

1351
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 3: don't hate everything that's new now either, I don't just

1352
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: go for the nostalgia.

1353
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: Well, coming up here, we have a Friend of the Show,

1354
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: first time appearance on FNA on FSR, as we dive

1355
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: back into the NFL, lots of coaching news, Hall of

1356
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: Fame news as well.

1357
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: Let's not waste any more time. Let's get to it.

1358
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: Alan drinking dud, Thank you, Gonny.

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Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to pizza franchise is the one

1360
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: known with the slogan the Last Honest Pizza once had

1361
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: a pie called the Big Vinnie, and it reminds me

1362
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: of this man, the last honest reporter and radio host.

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00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: It's Vinnie bon Signor now with the California Posts. The

1364
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 3: New York Post is staking acclaim on the West coast

1365
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: like they're biggie going back to Cali.

1366
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: They took the flight five oh four as well, and.

1367
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: We are flying high now with Vinnie bon Signor, a

1368
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 3: senior NFL calumnist for them at Vinnie bon Signior's where

1369
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: you find him, Vinnie, Big Vin.

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Speaker 1: How are we doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing dard And you can never have a bad

1372
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 5: pizza from a pizza plants called the Vinis. That's It's

1373
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 5: just it goes without saying there's never been a bad

1374
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 5: slice out of Vinie.

1375
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're going to take care of you. You're

1376
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: going to take care of us now too. We got

1377
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: to talk about a lot of this coaching stuff, but

1378
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 3: I do want to start with Bill Belichick here. I

1379
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: know you were one of the eleven disciples with Bill

1380
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: Belichick that would not betray him like judis.

1381
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: So what's wrong with these riders? How do you not

1382
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: make it on first ballot?

1383
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:30,479
Speaker 9: Well?

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00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's I think it's you know, ludicrous.

1385
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 5: But you know, if if if there are and there's

1386
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 5: been there's been some talk about how some people assumed

1387
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 5: that everyone was going to be voting for Bill Belichick,

1388
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 5: so they cast their vote for somebody else to try

1389
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 5: to help somebody else. It's a weird kind of a

1390
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 5: format that you have. So that's probably more of a

1391
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 5: format issue than you know, a personal vendetta against Bill Belichick.

1392
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 5: But I'm sure there were some voters who you know,

1393
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 5: didn't look kindly on some of the transgressions over the

1394
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 5: years for Bill Belichick. And if if that is the criteria,

1395
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 5: if they have a no cheating, you know, to whatever

1396
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 5: level they cheated, if they have a if that's like

1397
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 5: a non starter for them when it comes to first

1398
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 5: ballot Hall of Famers, we can only take them at

1399
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 5: their word and they have a vote, and we have

1400
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 5: to respect that that decision. I don't agree with it,

1401
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 5: but as long as it's not something just straight personal,

1402
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 5: like I just didn't like Bill Belichick because he was

1403
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 5: beaten my team or my team, you know, for for

1404
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 5: some of the voters there that actually competed against them,

1405
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 5: or you know, he didn't wasn't, didn't answer all my

1406
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 5: questions in a lively manner at express conference. As long

1407
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 5: as it's nothing like that, then you know, I don't

1408
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 5: agree with it, but I at least respect whatever the

1409
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 5: criteria was that some of these voters had, just on a.

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: General principle, Vinnie, because you've covered sports numerous sports over

1411
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: the years, and so you're a writer, you have experience

1412
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: in these situations. When it comes to the notion of

1413
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: whether or not someone is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

1414
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: Some say that there's some significance that gets tied to it,

1415
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: and that's usually tied to Major League Baseball more than anything.

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: Whether someone's unanimous or a first ballot or whether they

1417
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 2: get in later. From your standpoint, does it matter whether

1418
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 2: somebody is first ballot or if they've been on the

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01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 2: ballot for five years? Is a Hall of Famer or

1420
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer and whether or not someone should

1421
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: be first ballot or not really doesn't matter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. And I think that there

1423
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 5: are some you know, some professional athletes or just some

1424
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 5: athletes that probably deserve to be a first ballot Hall

1425
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 5: of Famer. And but you can get into a little

1426
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 5: bit of a slippery slope. If you're a slope, If

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 5: you're a Hall of Famer, you're a Hall of Famer.

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 5: So why does anyone have to wait for the fifth

1429
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 5: ballot when if you feel like they're a Hall of Famer,

1430
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 5: then maybe they should be first ballot, you know, Hall

1431
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 5: of famers. So it's it's I don't know how you

1432
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 5: go about that necessarily or juristic that, but I would

1433
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 5: say that there probably are, you know, maybe there are

1434
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 5: maybe there should be some criteria for somebody that is

1435
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 5: just a flat out no brainer, that's a Hall of Famer.

1436
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 5: You know, your Hank Aaron's your baby roots players like that,

1437
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 5: you know, Kareem a Duel, Jabbar Michael Jordan. You know

1438
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 5: guys that were that were just a cut above even

1439
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 5: other Hall of famers.

1440
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 3: Minnie Bons and yours our guest here on f and

1441
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: A on FSR. How do you feel personally about Bill Belichick.

1442
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: It is a little bit complicated for me because of Spygate,

1443
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 3: because of deflate Gate. There was stuff surrounding all their

1444
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 3: winning that they did that kind of complicates things. I'm

1445
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 3: not saying I wouldn't have voted for him because of

1446
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 3: any of that, but what are your personal feelings on

1447
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: him as just a coach.

1448
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 5: I think he's a Hall of Famer. I think he's

1449
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 5: a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think he should

1450
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 5: have been a first ballot Hall of Famer. But I

1451
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 5: can understand, you know, the gate part of it. There

1452
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 5: has been a couple of gates that are involved with

1453
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 5: with Bill Belichick, and I do understand why there might

1454
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 5: be some voters or just enough voters, and that felt

1455
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 5: like that took him out of the running to be

1456
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 5: a first ballot Hall of Famer. Now he should definitely

1457
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 5: be in the Hall of Fame. That goes without saying

1458
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 5: you can't tell this story of football without talking about

1459
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick. And that goes all the way back to

1460
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 5: his time with the New York Giants as a great

1461
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 5: assistant coach and defensive coordinators. So but I do understand,

1462
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 5: you know, the more. And at first I was furious,

1463
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 5: and then after a few days went by and some

1464
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 5: of the you know, context came out, I do understand

1465
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 5: why there would be some voters who just said, hey, look,

1466
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 5: you know, hall of Famer, yes, but because of some

1467
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 5: of the transgressions, you know, not reserved for a first

1468
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 5: ballot Hall of Famer, but he let's.

1469
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Speaker 1: Stay in the AFC East and tall coaching.

1470
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: Now, So what do you make of that Buffalo press

1471
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: conference between the owner Pagoula and Brandon Bean and then

1472
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: basically throwing Sean McDermott under the bus. And what do

1473
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: you think of the bills promoting from within with Joe

1474
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: Brady as opposed to going outside of the organization if

1475
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: the goal is to kind of shake things.

1476
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 5: Up a little bit, Yeah, it feels like they were

1477
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 5: kind of talking out of both sides of their mouth

1478
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 5: in terms of a new direction, yet staying with a

1479
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 5: status quo in Joe, who I do think deserves to

1480
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 5: be a head coach, and I think he'll do a

1481
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 5: good job there in Buffalo. You know, I think there's

1482
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 5: certain things in press conferences is good. This is number one.

1483
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 5: You can't fire the owner. So the owner can say

1484
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 5: whatever the heck he wants, obviously, because he doesn't have

1485
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 5: to go march into somebody's office and ask the or

1486
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 5: answer the question what the hell are you just talking

1487
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 5: about out there? That really need to be said. So

1488
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 5: he's the owner, he can say whatever he wants. But

1489
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 5: I thought it was a little bit of out of bounds.

1490
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 5: You know, they're firing somebody, is enough, right, And yes,

1491
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 5: there will be There'll always be. It'll always come out

1492
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 5: some of the reasons why somebody was fired. But I

1493
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 5: felt like they overdid it, or at least the owner,

1494
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 5: you know, stepped out of bounds a little bit and

1495
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 5: kicking Sean McDermott on his way out. That didn't need

1496
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 5: to be said to me an answer of Look, the

1497
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 5: decisions that were made were mutual. We're not going to

1498
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 5: sit here and put blame him on one person or

1499
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 5: the other. It's all in the path and we're looking

1500
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 5: to make better decisions moving forward, and we feel like,

1501
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 5: you know, we're getting have the right powers to be

1502
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 5: to make those decisions. To me, there was no need

1503
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 5: to really flight Sean McDermott in the way that they did.

1504
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: Sure seems like.

1505
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: There was some real gas lighting going on, because yeah,

1506
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: there's a documentary that shows the GM was all for

1507
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: drafting Keon Coleman and it wasn't just the coaching staff

1508
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 3: making him do it.

1509
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't like a lot of that either.

1510
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 3: Let's move into the West coast here where we are

1511
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 3: established right now in Sherman Oaks.

1512
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: But can Mike.

1513
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: McDaniel can he fix Justin Herbert? Can he bring out

1514
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 3: the best in him and optimize him as a quarterback?

1515
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 5: Theoretically yes, and I'm sure it would get credit if

1516
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 5: that were to happen, But I just keep going back

1517
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 5: to how many more excuses are we going to be

1518
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 5: making for Justin Herbert? It just feels like we are

1519
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 5: right back to the old. Okay, it was obviously chating.

1520
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,959
Speaker 5: Mike mcganniel is going to be the guy that gets

1521
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 5: him over the hut. And maybe he will, and maybe

1522
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 5: you know, we'll say, hey, look that was needed and

1523
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 5: that was something that was missing with Justin Herbert. But

1524
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 5: I just feel like that after and every year that

1525
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 5: falls short, whether it's getting to the playoffs or once

1526
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 5: once he's getting when he gets to the playoffs, not

1527
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 5: playing a very good game and the team loses as

1528
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 5: a result or partly as a result. We we always

1529
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 5: make these excuses for for Justin Herbert, and you know,

1530
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 5: maybe this is the lock that unlocked or the key

1531
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 5: that unlocks him. But if we're if we're right back

1532
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 5: to the same conversation, conversation next year of the Chargers

1533
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 5: fell short and Justin Herbert played a role in that

1534
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 5: in falling short at one point does does a lot

1535
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 5: of the you know, the the just the just the

1536
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 5: the scrutiny, you know, go to go to Justin Herbert.

1537
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 5: And I think it's justifiable at this point because you know,

1538
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 5: he just hasn't gotten it done when it needs to

1539
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 5: get done.

1540
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: Certainly some throws that he missed in that game against

1541
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots. A few weeks ago, Vinnie Bonsignor from the

1542
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: California Post joining us here on Fox Sports Saturday. You

1543
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time covering the Raiders for the

1544
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Review Journal also hosted a show out there

1545
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas here as intimately tied in to the

1546
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: regular organization as more as much as anybody. All the

1547
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: rumors are now that the Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator

1548
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: for the Seahawks.

1549
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: The job is his if he wants it.

1550
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: I know he has another interview or had another interview

1551
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: with the Cardinals coming up just before we get into

1552
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 2: the number one pick and what the Raiders should or

1553
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 2: should not do with that. Just your thoughts on the

1554
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: Raiders head coaching process right now, and if Clint Kubiak

1555
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 2: is the guy their number one target, what you would

1556
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: think of that potential higher?

1557
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I know we'll get some probably a little

1558
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 5: bit more clarity on that either today when he interviews

1559
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 5: with the Raiders up in Seattle. You know, Clinton will

1560
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 5: talk to John Spycheck, the general manager, and Tom Brady,

1561
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 5: the minority owner, and other parts of the Raiders. Continue

1562
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 5: to see and maybe we'll have some answer between you know,

1563
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 5: today and Sunday in terms of where that direction goes.

1564
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 5: I think I think the actions of other candidates will

1565
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 5: tell a lot this weekend, you know where that's all headed.

1566
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 5: But I do think that it feels like they've zeroed

1567
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 5: in on Clinton without question. I think there's a lot

1568
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 5: of good reasoning behind that, you know, his quarterback development,

1569
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 5: the work that he did with Sam Donald, and not

1570
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 5: only the work that he did with Sam Donald this year.

1571
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 5: If you remember back in twenty twenty three, Sam Donald

1572
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 5: spent a year just recouping in San Francisco. Well, the

1573
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,839
Speaker 5: past game coordinator there was Clint Kubiak, and Sam Donald

1574
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 5: talks now about the influence that Cliff played or Clinton

1575
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 5: played with or played in getting him back on track

1576
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 5: in San Francisco. Then the forty nine ers handed them

1577
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 5: off to the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell and the Mike.

1578
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 5: They did really well there and obviously returned to Clint

1579
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 5: Kubiak up in Seattle this year. So that part of it,

1580
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 5: I think plays plays big into what the Raiders vision

1581
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 5: for their next head coach, and that's somebody that that's

1582
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 5: going to get the most out of Fernando Mendoza. He's

1583
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 5: supposed to be or expected to be the first pick

1584
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 5: overall by the Raiders, and that is an asset that

1585
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 5: the Raiders cannot fumble, cannot mess up. They needed some

1586
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 5: assurances that whoever they hire as their head coach either

1587
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 5: can help that process and that development, or have an

1588
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator or a quarterback coach that he has in

1589
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 5: mind to do that. And I think Clinton Kubiak, for

1590
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 5: those reasons of having a track record of being a

1591
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 5: great offensive coordinator and a quarterback developer, really votes well

1592
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 5: for his candidacy as a head coach of the Raiders.

1593
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: So you mentioned the Raiders not fumbling the bag with

1594
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 2: a number one overall pick, and of course we all

1595
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: assume that's going to be Fernando Mendoza, who's drawn comparisons

1596
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 2: to Jared Golf as far as a pro comp. But

1597
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: you can only do so much when it comes to

1598
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: scouting comps when it comes to that sort of thing.

1599
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 2: But just in your opinion and from what you've heard

1600
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 2: in covering the Raiders as intimately as you did, what

1601
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: do you think they're thinking is when it comes to

1602
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 2: the first overall pick, do you think they're going to

1603
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: keep it slam dunk, tink Foraneda Mendoza as their franchise guy,

1604
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: or or do you think it's possible they can look

1605
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: to move down and get more picks.

1606
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 5: I think they stay and make the pick because, and

1607
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 5: I've had this discussion with a lot of people, short

1608
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 5: of anyone guaranteeing the Raiders that they are going to

1609
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 5: be in position next year to draft one of the

1610
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 5: top quarterbacks, whether that's CJ. Carr from Notre Dame or

1611
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 5: Arch Manning from Texas, unless you can guarantee that they're

1612
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 5: going to be in position to do that. They are

1613
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 5: in position to do that right now with Fernando Mendoza.

1614
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 5: Maybe when it all is said and done, he's not

1615
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 5: the exact prospect of an Arch Manning or of a CJ.

1616
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 5: Car But the reality is he is in the Raiders

1617
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 5: fold right now, and he is somebody that's really how

1618
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 5: you thought of. And I think he's kind of the

1619
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 5: perfect quarterback for a Tom Brady team. He's just pretty

1620
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,440
Speaker 5: much a spitting image of what he likes and quarterbacks.

1621
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 5: So you have that opportunity to do it right now,

1622
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 5: and so for that reason, I think that they definitely

1623
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 5: hold on to that pick and draft for Nano Mendoza.

1624
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,440
Speaker 3: How does the fan base viewed Tom Brady, his influence,

1625
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: how much of an impact he has on this Raiders organization.

1626
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 5: I think there's still a curiosity a level, you know,

1627
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 5: but I do think that Raider fans want Tom to

1628
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 5: be even more involved than he is. If this is

1629
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 5: going to be the football operations that he oversees, and

1630
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 5: and that is the case, then you know more time

1631
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,600
Speaker 5: on task is probably needed. And I do know that

1632
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 5: he got a sense last year during the times when

1633
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 5: when he was in the building or was at the games.

1634
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,560
Speaker 5: There were a couple of Monday night games that he

1635
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 5: came and watched and the Raiders just didn't play well.

1636
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 5: That couldn't sit well with Tom Brady, and I would

1637
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 5: imagine that him seeing firsthand what that looked like last

1638
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 5: year probably motivated him and and was was a was

1639
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 5: a reality check for him that in order to do

1640
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 5: this job correctly. I know that he's part of ownership.

1641
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 5: He's not going to get fired or anything like that,

1642
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 5: but if he wants it's his name is firmly attached

1643
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 5: to this. His face is on this right now. And

1644
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 5: so for all the good that might come of that

1645
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 5: or some of the bad things, in terms of the blame,

1646
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 5: he is connected to the Raiders and the Raiders' success.

1647
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 5: So if he wants to make sure that he gets praise,

1648
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 5: he's got to be in there on a more often basis,

1649
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 5: rolling up the sleeves and getting to work. And I

1650
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 5: think greater fans would agree on that.

1651
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: Robert Salah had an interesting quote as an introductory press

1652
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: conference on Thursday when he said he felt like a

1653
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 2: glorified timeout and red flat guy when he was the

1654
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 2: head coach with the Jets because he didn't call the

1655
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: defense and he actually feels more connected to the players

1656
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 2: and in the flow of the game when he's actually

1657
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 2: calling plays.

1658
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was tongue in chic or

1659
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: if he was being serious about that.

1660
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: And Adam and I have talked about this on the

1661
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: show in the past, the notion of CEO head coaches

1662
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: versus coaches who have a specialty and actually call plays

1663
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 2: during games. From your perspective and in covering the league

1664
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: and talking to coaches as much as you have, the

1665
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: big difference. Is there a big difference between a head

1666
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: coach that's connected on one side of the ball and

1667
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 2: calling play versus someone who just oversees the operation.

1668
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know that we've seen success stories. John

1669
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 5: Harbaugh was a CEO coach Marcus Freeman with Notre Dame.

1670
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 5: I know that he was a defensive coordinator, but he

1671
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 5: lets his assistant coaches and coordinators call the shots. He's

1672
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 5: more of the CEO. So it works. There's there's levels

1673
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 5: and examples of it of it working. There was an

1674
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 5: old story way back in the day, but the head

1675
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 5: coach of the New York Giants back of the day,

1676
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 5: his offensive coordinator is Vince Lombardi and his defensive coordinator

1677
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 5: was Tom Landry, and both went on, obviously to have

1678
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 5: great success. And there was a funny story of the

1679
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 5: night before a game, somebody was walking down the halls

1680
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 5: and he goes into he sees Tom Tom Landry working

1681
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 5: on the game plan for the next day's game. Vince

1682
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 5: Lombardi his office, he's he's working on the game plan

1683
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 5: for the next for the next day, and then they

1684
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 5: walk by the head coach's office and he's got his

1685
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 5: feet propped up and he's reading the newspaper. So those

1686
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 5: guys do all the work. But yeah, I mean, and

1687
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,560
Speaker 5: I can understand where Solo was coming from. You know,

1688
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 5: he was a guy that was a defensive coordinator calling

1689
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 5: the shots, and all of a sudden, you go to

1690
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 5: being the CEO and you're sort of a nomn's land

1691
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 5: on game day, And I can understand why that would

1692
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 5: result in a disconnect and why maybe he's like you know,

1693
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 5: and if I get another chance, I'm not going to

1694
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 5: let that happen again. So to each their own. There's

1695
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 5: ways that it works. We've seen examples of that. But

1696
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 5: I guess if it was me, I prefer for my

1697
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 5: expertise to be tapped into. If I'm a Sean McVay,

1698
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 5: why would you let anyone else call plays when you're

1699
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 5: one of the best at it in the business. So

1700
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 5: whatever asset you bring, I'm all for the head coach,

1701
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 5: you know, bringing that asset on game day, if it's

1702
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 5: a defensive play caller or if it's office a play caller.

1703
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 3: Benny, last one for you, We'll bring it for full

1704
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,480
Speaker 3: circle here, we started with a non selection with Bill Belichick.

1705
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 3: Let's end with the selection here that is controversial, and

1706
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 3: that would be shad Or Sanders being in the Pro

1707
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,560
Speaker 3: Bowl when I think he had the forty first.

1708
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: Best QB rating this season. What do you make of that?

1709
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: Is it just a joke of an event at this point?

1710
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: But also the voting too, Yeah, I.

1711
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 5: Mean it's it's one of those what are you going

1712
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 5: to do? You got to have another quarterback out there,

1713
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 5: and and I think that we've we've seen over the

1714
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 5: years the erosion of the of the Pro Bowl, and

1715
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 5: you know, they've tried everything. I give the NFL credit

1716
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 5: for trying to make it relevant and keep it relevant.

1717
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 5: I know, having covered one of them. They're actually kind

1718
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 5: of fun. I mean, the new format, the players have

1719
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 5: a lot of fun doing it, and there they stay

1720
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 5: safe as well. There's you know, obviously they've they've stopped

1721
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 5: even playing the game and you know, risking any any injury.

1722
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 5: But I mean, I can't blame your door. And I know,

1723
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 5: you know, it seems like he's coming under the microsoftscope

1724
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 5: and catching some strays on it. But exactly, and he's

1725
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 5: not the first non Pro bowler to to to make

1726
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 5: the Pro Bowl, so he's a target. I don't understand

1727
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 5: why exactly. I thought he had a pretty good year

1728
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 5: for a rookie. I wasn't really surprised by that. I've

1729
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 5: did a big Shore Centers fan. But this is another

1730
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 5: situation where, through no fault of his own, he's been

1731
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 5: kind of put into a situation and a lot of

1732
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 5: people are taking some shots at it. But I guess

1733
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 5: that's the world that we live in.

1734
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 2: I mean, for the love of God, snow Huntley made

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Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl a couple of years ago after starting

1736
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Speaker 2: like four games or something.

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Speaker 1: That tells you how big of a joke it is.

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Speaker 1: Someone who was not a joke.

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Speaker 2: Vincent Bonci Yord did it big for the Las Vegas

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Speaker 2: Review Journal covering the Raiders, now with the California Post

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Speaker 2: as their lead NFL columnist, Vinnie, thanks for spending as

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01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 2: much as your time as you did with us today

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Speaker 2: here on Fox Sports Radio with FNA on FSR.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, man, I appreciate it.

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01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 5: Have a great show, you guys.

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01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: Thank you. Vennie.

1747
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: Well continue the NFL discussion on the other side, What

1748
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 2: will the future hold for Mike McDaniel and Justin Herbert

1749
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles? Is a put up or shut up

1750
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 2: time for Herbert. We'll talk about that coming up next.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in. It's FNA on FSR. Gonna be with

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Speaker 3: you guys on Fox Sports Radio. I'm at follow out

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Speaker 3: him a he's at KFIG one. Coming up next hour,

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about Bill Belichick not getting in on the

1769
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 3: first ballot to the Hall of Fame. But the LA

1770
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 3: Chargers have made a move. They're not getting a new

1771
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 3: head coach still, Jim Harbaugh. They're not bringing in John Harbaugh.

1772
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 3: He's with the New York Giants now. But they did

1773
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 3: get I think the best coordinator on the market in

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01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel, who looks like a tough guy Rick moranis

1775
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 3: or bad boy Rick moranis is what I like.

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01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 1: To call him.

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01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 3: But I like him. I'm a fan.

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01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: I would have gone with the rapper logic to be honest,

1779
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: but yeah, I guess that works too.

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01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 3: Okay, he looks a lot like logic as well.

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01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 2: I get it, But yeah, I would say this is

1782
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: a slam dunk higher for them, an offensive an offensive

1783
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 2: savant to get the most out of Tua Tagovallo, who

1784
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 2: has his deficiencies. And when he was healthy, I mean,

1785
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 2: they have the number one offense in the NFL, what

1786
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: three years ago something like that.

1787
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 3: So was the hottest coach in the NFL.

1788
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the master where they ran the difver

1789
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 2: Broncos off the field dropped seventy on him a couple

1790
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: of years ago.

1791
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 3: It was all downhill from there.

1792
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: It was well, you know, part of Toua's injuries, no

1793
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 2: fortification of the offensive line, Tyreek Hill loses a bit

1794
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: of a step, the defense sucks, all things that he

1795
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 2: can't really control. To be honest with you, now, the

1796
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 2: big issue is how much will he be able to

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01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 2: help Justin Herbert in the charger of offense. We know

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01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: a big issue for them in this past season was

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01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: injuries and not being able to stay healthy. And I'll

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Speaker 2: be honest with you, I mean, as much as as

1801
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 2: great as Justin Herbert is, and we've talked about the

1802
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 2: fact that he didn't never run a game and hasn't

1803
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 2: had a lot of help. There have been times and

1804
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: we've talked about in that Patriot game in the wildcard

1805
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 2: round there there were plays to be made and he

1806
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 2: just didn't make them at a certain point. At a

1807
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: certain point, you have to be able to make plays

1808
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 2: when plays are in front of you.

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01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: He had some tunnel vision.

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01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 3: He would get locked onto one receiver, he wouldn't see

1811
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 3: the rest of the field, he wouldn't progress through his reads.

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01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of Justin Herbert, you know, I

1813
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 3: root for the Ducks, of course, and I think he'll

1814
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 3: be able to get out of this. But in two

1815
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 3: of the three playoff games, he's been pretty bad to

1816
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 3: the point where it's inexcusable and it's hard to defend.

1817
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 3: So can Mike McDaniel unlock a better version of Justin Herbert?

1818
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: And what sucks with him is he can play. He

1819
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 3: could win the MVP in the regular season Justin Herbert,

1820
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 3: and people are still gonna say, but what are you

1821
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 3: going to do in the playoffs?

1822
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: That's all that matters.

1823
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 3: That pressura will amount, But can you get that one

1824
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 3: victory to get the monkey off your back? Similar to

1825
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 3: what we were talking about with Sam Donald earlier.

1826
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's done. Unlike Sam Darnold, who had just

1827
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 2: a small sample size in the regular season. We've seen

1828
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 2: what Justin Herbert can do in the regular season and

1829
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: how spectacular he is, and again without the greatest offensive weapons.

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: Lat McConkie is a good, solid player. I think he's

1831
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: a solid number two, but not really a big time playmaker.

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01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen's on his way out. I think they need

1833
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: a Bona fid number one receiver, things together, offensive line healthy,

1834
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: get a running game going, which by the way, Mike

1835
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,480
Speaker 2: with Daniel was the run game coordinator for San Francisco,

1836
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: so that's where he excels. Being able to find a

1837
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: way to elevate this run game would only help Justin

1838
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: herbert In's progression. But ultimately, like you said, what's ultimately

1839
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 2: gonna end up mattering is what he does when the

1840
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: postseason rolls around.

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01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: That's all anybody cares about.

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01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 3: I think obviously he has the tools, he has the ability.

1843
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 3: He just has to perform on the biggest stage. And

1844
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 3: it's not even just a Justin Herbert thing, it's a

1845
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 3: Chargers thing. So you put him on a team that

1846
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 3: has been good in the regular season before that has

1847
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 3: had expectations, that has some really good teams over the

1848
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 3: last fifteen years with the going back to the San

1849
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 3: Diego Chargers, But can you take that next step? A

1850
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 3: lot is put on him. It's not as it's not

1851
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 3: a perfect analog to what happens with Buffalo and Josh Allen,

1852
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 3: but still much as expected. Coming up next, we're talking

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01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: about Bill Belichick, Kroen f and an FSR.

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Speaker 2: Big controversy this week in the NFL, of course, went

1867
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 2: to the Hall of Fame announcement. It's going to be

1868
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 2: made next weekend at the NFL Awards ceremony, and so

1869
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: now names are trickling in of the people who are

1870
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: not going to make the Hall of Fame. So we

1871
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: know that Eli Manning for the second straight year not

1872
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: going to make it. And I guess that's a subject

1873
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: of some controversy for a lot of people as to

1874
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 2: whether or not he should make it, because he did

1875
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 2: win two Super Bowl championships, but five hundred quarterback in

1876
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 2: the red season touchdown interception ratio not that great record,

1877
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,679
Speaker 2: not that great, nothing about him really that great.

1878
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that throat or Plexico Burrs.

1879
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,560
Speaker 3: I mean that was big time, Yeah, Mario Manningham was that.

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01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: The other thing, Mario Maningham was in the other Super Bowl,

1881
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 2: of course, to David Tyree, which was basically just a

1882
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: prayer that he threw up in Tyree happened to get

1883
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: it attached to his helmet.

1884
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: Fair was answered though it was, So I guess I

1885
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:25,600
Speaker 1: can see the argument there when I put him in.

1886
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: Probably not.

1887
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 2: But if you want to say, you know, he toppled

1888
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots twice and one of those was

1889
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 2: that for an undefeated season, I can understand that.

1890
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: So Bill Belichick doesn't get in on first ballot, and

1891
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and you talked about it and

1892
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 3: mentioned it with Vinnie earlier. We put something into getting

1893
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 3: in that first time around. It means more. There's a

1894
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 3: tear system. Yeah, it's real.

1895
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 5: It is.

1896
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it should be like last system.

1897
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: Well, it's real too, I mean because the thing for

1898
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 2: me is like, all right, there's some people who are

1899
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 2: just no brainers whatsoever. There's no discussion that needs to

1900
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 2: be had, Like Larry Fitzgerald. This is his first year

1901
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 2: of being eligible. I'm gonna assume Larry Fitzgerald is gonna

1902
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: make it as a first ballot Hall of Famer because

1903
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 2: there's not really any solid argument against him getting in.

1904
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: He has the numbers, has a production, has the longevity.

1905
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 2: There's really no reason for him not to make it.

1906
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 2: So who are you putting? But there's really very little debate.

1907
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: I'll give you one those University of Phoenix commercials when

1908
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 3: he didn't even go there.

1909
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I think he took online classes. How dare you

1910
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: ad him classes?

1911
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 3: Now?

1912
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: Look, I look at someone like like Philip Rivers.

1913
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 2: All right, So Philip Rivers is eligible for the Hall

1914
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: of Fame in fifteen years when he actually finally decides

1915
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 2: to not play and not come out of retirement five

1916
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: years later from now, he's someone's like, all right, number one,

1917
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 2: but put up a lot of good numbers, was part

1918
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: of a really good offense. You can see like, okay,

1919
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: he could be a Hall of Famer, but maybe he

1920
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 2: doesn't make it first ballot. He's part of a debate

1921
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 2: system as to whether or not he's a guy that

1922
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 2: gets in first ballot, or gets in this year, or

1923
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 2: he has to wait for a couple of years. When

1924
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: it comes to someone like Bill Belichick, there ain't a debate. Well,

1925
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: I know he's Hall of Famer. He's lauded as the

1926
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: greatest coach in the history of the sport by most people,

1927
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: even with all of the controversies surrounding him. No, no, how, yeah,

1928
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: there's no justification for me to be able to keep

1929
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 2: Bill Belllett. When Bill Belichick's name, whether you sit at

1930
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: the table or whatever the committee or the voting chamber

1931
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 2: looks like, when it comes to this, the NFL or

1932
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Bill Bilichick's name comes up,

1933
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 2: How it's not yep, he's in keep moving.

1934
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 1: How that doesn't happen is beyond me.

1935
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:34,560
Speaker 3: So you don't think it's fair to hold Spygate and

1936
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 3: to flight Gate to some degree against him.

1937
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: Well, the flight gate was was first of all, that

1938
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 1: was Tom.

1939
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 3: I'm just saying something under his watch.

1940
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 2: And two Rodney Pete are coworker at M five seventy

1941
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 2: LA Sports and others have said million players have done

1942
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 2: that over the years.

1943
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: That's really not controversy.

1944
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't make it right, but I mean it's

1945
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 2: not if it's Look, I've changed my tune to a

1946
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: certain degree when it comes to spy Gate too, and look,

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Speaker 2: I he s our.

1948
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: Kurt Warrant sweed about this earlier this week.

1949
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 2: He was like, there's people who say that there's cheating

1950
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 2: is wrong, there's levels of cheating, and it depends on

1951
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: how you want to look at it. And he says,

1952
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 2: I look at it as cheating, as cheating, it doesn't matter.

1953
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: And I certainly understand that. But if there's enough people

1954
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 2: who are contemporaries who say, like, we all did the

1955
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 2: exact same thing, it's not that big of a deal.

1956
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: I kind of have to take that into account too.

1957
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: It's one thing to be a fan who sits outside

1958
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 2: of it, but for the people that actually competed against

1959
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 2: them to say like, yeah.

1960
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: You know what spygate.

1961
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: Maybe they took it a slightly abridge too far, but

1962
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 2: it was nothing that most of us weren't already doing.

1963
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: If it wasn't that big of a deal to them,

1964
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: the people we actually competed against, why is it a

1965
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: big deal to me?

1966
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is we really don't know how far

1967
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 3: they took it because Commissioner Roger Goodell and his infinite

1968
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: wisdom burned all the tapes they went into the Patriots

1969
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 3: practice facility or whatever because they wouldn't hand the tapes

1970
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 3: over and then just.

1971
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: Broke them all evening.

1972
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 3: Commission you want to talk about, give me something to

1973
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: break over here, that's what they did with those tapes.

1974
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 3: So we don't know the full extent of it. And

1975
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 3: current Warner you can say he has an axe to

1976
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 3: grind because there were also alligation they taped the Rams

1977
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 3: practice walk through before the super Bowl.

1978
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 2: And this is a problem that see once something gets

1979
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: out there that no one talks about the redaction that happened.

1980
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: The Boston Herald, the reporter that reported got bad information.

1981
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 2: He had put a scout's name out there who worked

1982
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 2: for the Patriot staff and say that them taping that

1983
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 2: walk through practice at the Super Bowl did not actually happen,

1984
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 2: and he had to retract his story.

1985
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 3: But there I thought, we have it concrete that they

1986
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 3: had cameras out there, and the issue is whether or

1987
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 3: not they actually even had batteries in them.

1988
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: Like I hadn't seen that.

1989
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: As far as the walkthrough at the Rams Hotel, at

1990
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 2: the practice Rams walked through at the Rams walk through, No,

1991
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 2: this is the Rams walk through during the Super Bowl,

1992
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 2: because that's where the big controversy comes up, whether or

1993
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: not and the report is that didn't happen.

1994
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: They didn't, They did not record.

1995
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 3: That report was redacted it it sounds like it's inconclusive,

1996
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 3: like it's more likely than not. There definitely is an

1997
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 3: evidence that it happened. Whether there's evidence that's on crete

1998
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 3: that it didn't happen, it seems like you could be

1999
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 3: on either side of this one.

2000
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: Well, the reporter who initially reported it said that it

2001
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: didn't happen, and you've got bad information. Now, maybe it

2002
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: was coerce, Maybe you got money under the table from

2003
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 2: somebody in the Patriots organization.

2004
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2005
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, but but.

2006
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 2: The problem is that's out there and people don't even

2007
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 2: recognize that all they did. Marshall falk rides this all

2008
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,560
Speaker 2: the time too, say they taped our practice. It was like, no,

2009
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: they didn't, They absolutely didn't.

2010
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: I whoever the whistleblower was, I don't know.

2011
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 3: I was reading the Wikipedia on it last night and

2012
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 3: I didn't come to a conclusion of whether or not

2013
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 3: it happened or not. It definitely isn't proof that I

2014
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 3: saw that was conclusive that it didn't happen for sure,

2015
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 3: but it's probably more likely than not it didn't because

2016
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 3: some were bringing up that there weren't even batteries in

2017
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 3: the cameras and they were just set up there because

2018
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 3: they were going to record their own practice at some point,

2019
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 3: the Patriots. So I don't know, but let me bring

2020
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 3: this up because in Survivor, which is having his fiftieth

2021
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 3: anniversary of the game Survivor on.

2022
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 1: CBS only hundred years old.

2023
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 3: It's been around for a long time. I think they

2024
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 3: played two games a year of Survivor. Now it's still

2025
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 3: very popular and it's pretty well done, and I used

2026
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 3: to watch it back in the day. But at the

2027
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 3: very end, how you win the money is voted on

2028
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: by your peers and the other contestants, yea, who they

2029
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 3: want to win the money. In the end, you get

2030
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 3: this far, there's two people left, and it's not some

2031
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 3: game you play out there, some strategy or puzzle you

2032
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 3: have to solve, or making fire or anything like that.

2033
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 3: It's you getting voted on by the way you played

2034
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 3: the game.

2035
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 2: Those politics involved correct by everyone else, yes, but it's

2036
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 2: a reflection of who you were, your character during the game.

2037
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 3: How many people did you double cross to get this far?

2038
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 3: And so it matters. Integrity matters, well, I mean to

2039
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 3: a certain degree.

2040
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean, was Warren Sap the nicest person to deal with?

2041
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Was he the most?

2042
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 2: Did he have the highest but get held against him

2043
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: when he was a Hall of Famer on his first ballot.

2044
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 3: There's a difference between should it matter or does it matter?

2045
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 3: It's subjective For some people it's going to matter. And

2046
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 3: I can understand some of these people now saying, well,

2047
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 3: the power is in my hands to vote for Bill Belichick,

2048
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 3: And I think he was a cheater, and I think

2049
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 3: he was a bad guy and obstinate and cantankerous and

2050
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 3: off putting with the media all the time. And now

2051
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stick it to him. I'm not saying that's right,

2052
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 3: but when you're dealing with human beings who are doing

2053
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 3: the voting process, and it's not just you built up

2054
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 3: this many accolades and you've leveled it up to the

2055
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 3: point where you cross the threshold, which means you are,

2056
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 3: without a doubt a Hall of Famer. It's not just

2057
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 3: like a passing yard record that you get. It is

2058
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 3: subjective in the end.

2059
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 2: I just don't like the fact that people have the

2060
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 2: ability to lord over someone else's in their This goes

2061
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 2: to the baseball too.

2062
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: I think I brought this up. I mentioned this.

2063
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 2: We were talking to Vinny about the fact that Mariano

2064
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 2: Rivera is the only baseball player in the history of

2065
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 2: the sport who is unanimous Hall of Famer. That is

2066
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 2: an absolute travesty and a joke. You're telling me that

2067
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 2: Hank Aaron was not a unanimous Hall of Famer or

2068
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 2: Derek Jeter or some of that, literally every other all

2069
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 2: time great babe Ruth because some ahle jackass Ryder wants

2070
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 2: to say, like, you know what, he's not gonna be unanimous.

2071
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna withhold my voute to make sure that he

2072
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,160
Speaker 2: doesn't make it in or doesn't make it as unanimous.

2073
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my name on that.

2074
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,120
Speaker 2: I don't like it either, like it's stupid, it's ridiculous,

2075
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 2: and they're trying to make it about themselves.

2076
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with any of that.

2077
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I understand how something like this could

2078
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 3: happen because it's Bill Belichick and because of how short

2079
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 3: he was with the media for years.

2080
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Should it be about that.

2081
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 3: No, But they can always make the excuse of well,

2082
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 3: I didn't like the controversy surrounding this team when he

2083
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 3: was there.

2084
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's your cop out or your reason. I don't

2085
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 2: even want to call it an excuse. That could be

2086
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 2: your reason. It could be I will say, if we're

2087
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 2: going to do that, can we keep that same energy

2088
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 2: when we're talking about Robert Craft and Tom Brady?

2089
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll find out. Tom Brady, we won't find

2090
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: out for another couple of years.

2091
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 2: I believe Robert Craft has already been elised before a

2092
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 2: couple of years and hasn't made it.

2093
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 3: I think he was. Yeah, he's eligible currently and one

2094
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 3: of the writers from the Kansas City Star admitted that

2095
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 3: they did not vote for Bill Belichick and The reason

2096
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 3: was not because they didn't think he was a first

2097
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer one of the greatest coaches, if

2098
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 3: not the greatest coach.

2099
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: Ever.

2100
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 3: His reasoning was, it's his first time on the ballot,

2101
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 3: and there's a few guys that could be phased out,

2102
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 3: that are older guys that I'm going to vote for,

2103
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 3: but that I believe should truly be in, and they

2104
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 3: only have a few more chances.

2105
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 1: I can respect that.

2106
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 3: Well, he might not have been the only guy to

2107
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 3: do that, He's just the only one that admitted to it.

2108
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 3: And his reasoning was in fact that so maybe there's

2109
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 3: a format issue too, because you can only vote for

2110
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 3: so many. He said, he's got three votes and he

2111
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 3: cast them all for guys that it's their last chance

2112
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 3: or they only have a few more chances left to

2113
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 3: get in. So he felt like that would take priority

2114
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 3: over voting for Bill Belichick the first time around.

2115
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 1: Theirs, I believe fifty voters. I believe give or takes

2116
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: something like that.

2117
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 2: So you're talking about fifty voters with fifty completely different agendas,

2118
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 2: And if I'm to understand how the process works, these

2119
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: guys sit in the room. All right, let's go over

2120
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: let's bring up the nambo, to bring up a random

2121
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 2: Dick Buckets or whatever. And then someone says, I think

2122
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 2: he should be in because of this. I think you

2123
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 2: shouldn't be in because of that. And they have these

2124
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 2: long form discussions about these individual players before they actually

2125
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 2: tabulate their votes, and I could see a bunch of

2126
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: different people with a bunch of different agendas, relationships, you know, ideas.

2127
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 3: Idea stuff, What's gonna happen. Yeah, it's the human element.

2128
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: You're putting all these guys on trial for different reasons,

2129
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 2: and I collect, I can certainly understand why you would

2130
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 2: have issue with Bill Belichick.

2131
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: I get it.

2132
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying like I wouldn't as I wouldn't hold

2133
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 2: that part against them. I will put him into the

2134
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 2: first Battle Hall of Famer because everything else that he

2135
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 2: did I think supersedes the spygate stuff.

2136
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: I just deflate gate stuff. I agree.

2137
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: You're you have the ability to separate the emotional side

2138
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 3: of it from just the logic the rationale of who

2139
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 3: he was as a head coach, regardless of if you

2140
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 3: thought he was a great guy or not somebody else

2141
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 3: as a player that didn't get in first ballot, and

2142
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 3: he was very upset about it.

2143
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: It's my quarterback, not Tony Romo.

2144
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 3: Terrell Owens, right, Terrell Owens went through this, he did,

2145
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 3: and he had objective numbers that says he should be

2146
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame. And remember, didn't you go back

2147
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 3: to like his college to do his own ceremony.

2148
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: He felt slighted by the Hall of Fame.

2149
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 2: So yes, he went to his college, which was a

2150
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 2: small Chattanooga I believe it was something like that sounds

2151
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 2: right insight, like their little gym, their little gymnasium, and

2152
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: that's where he got his Hall of Fame. Jacket did

2153
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 2: not want to go to Ken.

2154
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 3: I think there's another issue here because if you are

2155
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 3: going down the road of well Bill Belichick cheated, if

2156
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:53,840
Speaker 3: that is what you're using as evidence against not voting

2157
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 3: for him or making him wait, I would say that

2158
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 3: could be dangerous because because uh, I don't know if

2159
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 3: people remember, but like this was probably eight years ago now,

2160
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. Jerry Rice came out and said he

2161
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 3: used stick them on his gloves, and nobody talks about

2162
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 3: this anymore, acts like it ever happened, and it was

2163
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 3: pretty damning and it kind of got brushed under the

2164
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 3: rug right away. He thought it was actually within the

2165
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:26,080
Speaker 3: rules and then admitted on Twitter, oh my bad, Twitter

2166
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 3: Nation or something like that, I didn't know.

2167
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't know when it actually got banned, but I

2168
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 2: mean back in the seventies, I mean, guys were gonna raider.

2169
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 2: Defensive backs were notorious for this. Like they will punch

2170
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 2: guys sometimes their hands will get stuck to ricinve their

2171
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 2: shoulder pads because they had so much stick them on

2172
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 2: their hands.

2173
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 3: And we all just have fun with it. Ah, this

2174
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 3: is primitive football, the good old days. We don't hold

2175
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 3: it against guys like this. But somebody saw that. Yeah,

2176
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 3: technically that was cheating by Jerry Rice at that time,

2177
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 3: and he apologized for it on social media.

2178
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: It's like, well, see, how.

2179
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 2: Are we gonna Well, that's the thing where you litigate,

2180
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,679
Speaker 2: like how many stories of these that we don't even

2181
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 2: know about?

2182
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 6: Now?

2183
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 2: The problem is once we do find out, what do

2184
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 2: you do about it? So I'll give you that, but

2185
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of stories I'm sure that are similar

2186
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 2: to just like that. You know, that makes a humongous

2187
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 2: difference where you're talking about the quote unquote greatest receiver

2188
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 2: of all time and had he not told on himself.

2189
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 2: We would he could have taken them that, you know,

2190
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 2: mystery to his grave.

2191
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 3: Montana said the linemen would use silicone spray on their

2192
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 3: jerseys so defenders couldn't grab that. Yes, which yes, so

2193
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 3: this is just good old boys ha ha. That's how

2194
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 3: football was back then? Or was this cheating? And because

2195
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 3: if any of this stuff happens today, it is the

2196
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 3: biggest story in sports. Yeah, and we just brush it

2197
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 3: off for what nostalgia's sake, because we love our old

2198
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 3: heroes and we just act like it was fine and

2199
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 3: everybody was doing it, so it's okay, even though we

2200
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 3: don't know if everyone was doing it well.

2201
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 2: It's also difficult to go back and relitigate what happened

2202
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. If something happens now, we're living

2203
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 2: in the moment, you know. And there's also more media scrutiny,

2204
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 2: there's more coverage, there's more eyeballs, there's more cameras, so

2205
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 2: the landscape is just different now than it was back.

2206
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 2: And so also you're not gonna go in and take

2207
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,680
Speaker 2: Jerry Rice's gold jacket away, you know what I mean.

2208
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 3: So you know, we did an episode on the F

2209
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 3: and a podcast I remember, and I ran the math

2210
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 3: on if you took away like a catch and a

2211
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 3: half from him per game, would he still be the

2212
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 3: all time leading receiver? And he would be because his

2213
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 3: numbers are so astronomical. But I don't know, I haven't

2214
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,560
Speaker 3: forgotten that, and I haven't looked at him quite the

2215
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 3: same because a lot of people revere him as the

2216
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 3: greatest football player of all time, not just receiver, they

2217
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 3: just think he's the greatest ever.

2218
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 2: Well, look, you even said, if you take away all

2219
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: of you know, a number of his catches because of

2220
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 2: the stick them, he's still the leading receiver and still

2221
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 2: one of the all time greats.

2222
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 3: But this is, you know, it's it doesn't tell you

2223
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 3: which of those catches could have been crucial catchers or

2224
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 3: touchdown catchers. So this is like it, I mean, it

2225
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 3: could have really affected things. And it's also just when

2226
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 3: you think of Jerry Rice, you think of the gold

2227
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 3: standard for the red and gold standard with the forty

2228
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 3: nine ers, and that it's just not the case. I mean,

2229
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 3: this was a guy because he didn't play in the

2230
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 3: social media age, he could get away with complaining not

2231
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 3: getting enough balls thrown his way in games. They won

2232
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:11,919
Speaker 3: that happened.

2233
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's also it's like the Barry Bonds theory.

2234
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds was going to make it to the Hall

2235
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 2: of Fame if he started, whether he started taking Royds

2236
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 2: or Cream Clear or whatever it was or not, because

2237
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 2: his numbers were spectacular. When he started taking steroids because

2238
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 2: he was jealous of the Sami solid Mark maguire home

2239
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:31,480
Speaker 2: run chase, it took him from being phenomenal to astronomically phenomenal.

2240
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:33,640
Speaker 2: If he never took us steroids a day in his

2241
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 2: life or any of those other supplements, he'd be a

2242
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. Now would he be the home run King?

2243
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 2: Probably not, probably not, but he's still be one of

2244
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 2: the all time great players.

2245
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2246
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 3: In this case, I'm just saying, if you're going to

2247
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 3: go after Bill Belichick for cheating, you better hold everybody

2248
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 3: else to that same standard. If that is your reasoning

2249
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 3: for not letting him in right away, well all the.

2250
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: Problem is now with the committee.

2251
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 2: Now they can't do anything about Jerry Rice or you

2252
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 2: know Nicoll for anybody else who did anything back the day,

2253
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,679
Speaker 2: or you know Tatum who are sticking on his hands.

2254
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 3: But because you can't retroactively do that stuff, should you

2255
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 3: give Bill Belichick more of a pass? Should you not

2256
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:13,760
Speaker 3: hold these guys weren't held to the as hive of

2257
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 3: a standard apparently, so should you not you know, just

2258
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 3: hold him to the highest standard or possible because you

2259
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 3: don't like him and he has some controversy, he's been

2260
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 3: embroiled in because it doesn't seem like you're grading everybody

2261
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 3: on the same scale.

2262
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. How much should that factor in?

2263
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 2: So if he if Bill Belichick was the nicest, most affable,

2264
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 2: you know, coach out there, if he was at the

2265
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 2: personality of an Andy Reid but he was called doing something.

2266
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 3: Like that, honestly, would honestly, I think that his personality

2267
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 3: is being held against him.

2268
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 2: This is the Jason Giambi in front of Congress who

2269
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 2: was contrite and apologized for taking steroids and people forgave

2270
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 2: him and forgot that it ever.

2271
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 3: Happened, versus guys wagging their finger at everyone and being

2272
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 3: you know, digging their feet in and being stubborn about

2273
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 3: it and saying everybody else is wrong. And I'm right, Yeah,

2274
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 3: I do think the personality, But when you're dealing with

2275
01:39:09,080 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 3: human beings like this, who are doing the voting. Of course,

2276
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 3: character is going to matter and how you treat people

2277
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 3: along the way, because they're dealing with emotions when they're

2278
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 3: making these vote. I'm not saying they should, but they

2279
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 3: obviously are, or else he'd be in.

2280
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know certain hall of fames. The Baseball

2281
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame does have a morals calls character in it.

2282
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if the NFL or the Pro Football

2283
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame does or doesn't. It might is OJ

2284
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 2: in still well, yeah, I don't think anybody's ever been

2285
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 2: kicked out of the Hall of Fame. So well, we

2286
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 2: could start with them, I mean, if you were going

2287
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 2: to start anywhere, you know what I mean talking about

2288
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 2: Jerry Rice. So granted, but OJ on the field is

2289
01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 2: different than off the field to a certain degree. But

2290
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, the association. Do I want to

2291
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 2: be associated with that?

2292
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2293
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 3: Probably not if there's a character clause, if there's anything

2294
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 3: about that in there. And that's the thing. There's so

2295
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,640
Speaker 3: much more to this that we don't know. Oh that

2296
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 3: makes it a little bit problematic with just the format

2297
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:06,519
Speaker 3: of how this voting goes. Yeah, because I do think

2298
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 3: a lot of them could have thought, well, he's definitely

2299
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,479
Speaker 3: getting in, So I'm going to vote for these other

2300
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 3: guys that maybe on their last chance.

2301
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 2: I saw a voter say that, it was like, I

2302
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 2: wasn't going to vote for Bill because I knew everybody

2303
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 2: else would. Well, if you know, out of fifty votes,

2304
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 2: if twenty people say that, then you know Bill's asked out.

2305
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe it's not such a tragedy in that case,

2306
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 3: or a travesty.

2307
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: Travesty is strong. I wouldn't go that. It's like, I

2308
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: feel like he obviously is well deserving of being a

2309
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer.

2310
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous that he doesn't make it on

2311
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 2: the first ballot, but we know he's going to make

2312
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:36,679
Speaker 2: it eventually.

2313
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: Travisty is strong.

2314
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 3: Let me say this on the Spygate stuff. Though their

2315
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 3: first three Super Bowls they won by a total of

2316
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,640
Speaker 3: nine points. Like those games and along the way too,

2317
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 3: a lot of close games won on the margins. Yep,

2318
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 3: So any edge you had those first three during Spygate,

2319
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 3: I do raise an eyebrow with and I might think

2320
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 3: about I would at least have that under consideration when

2321
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 3: I'm making the vote. I'd probably still make the vote

2322
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 3: for him.

2323
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: I understand that sentiment.

2324
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 3: Now, maybe it's also because I'm a Carolina Panther fan

2325
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 3: and I don't know what happened in that two thousand

2326
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 3: and three year I don't know what was going on.

2327
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 3: Then did they tape our practice? Did they tape Jake

2328
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 3: Dell home cursingel all over the place?

2329
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I blame the Raiders as their

2330
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 2: fault because if the snow game doesn't happen, you know,

2331
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 2: Bledsoe might get the job back and Tom Brady is

2332
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 2: a backup again.

2333
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,719
Speaker 3: Who the hell knows the sliding door of the butterfly effect?

2334
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 2: Speaking up, Hall of Famers, Will Yonza took the koopo

2335
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 2: finish his career in Milwaukee?

2336
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: Obviously not? But where will he? We'll talk about that

2337
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:36,679
Speaker 1: coming up next FNA on FSR.

2338
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,479
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Speaker 1: Well opinions you like it?

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Speaker 2: Everybody has one f and a cotton, Speaking of which,

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Speaker 2: have you ever wiped with a piece of dry toilet

2345
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Speaker 2: paper and wondered is this as good as it gets?

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Speaker 1: Coming up.

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Speaker 3: We got Breeze three in the final segment here, but

2352
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 3: more fn NBA for you guys. As finally we got

2353
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,600
Speaker 3: the report that Jpo my.

2354
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,680
Speaker 2: So over this BS I'll never request the trade, but

2355
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm nudge towards get out of here. Technically he's trying

2356
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,719
Speaker 2: to say face, so we know exactly what's happening.

2357
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: Adam, I'm so tired, Just ask for the damn trade. Look.

2358
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 3: The report from Sham Sharania reads like this two time

2359
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:50,560
Speaker 3: MVP Gianopo is ready for a new home at the

2360
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 3: February fifth NBA trade deadline or in the offseason, as

2361
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 3: several rival teams make aggressive offers to the Milwaukee Bucks

2362
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 3: for him and the franchisees start to listen, League sources

2363
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 3: tell ESPN, why are you giving me that?

2364
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 2: Look, that's a long way of saying Jan says, who

2365
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 2: requested a trade and wants to be out of here immediately.

2366
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: This is Harry passive aggressive.

2367
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 2: It's extremely when he said he's what He came out

2368
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 2: maybe a month or two ago and says, I've never

2369
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 2: I'm never going to request a trade.

2370
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, you don't have to.

2371
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 2: Your agent can do it for you, or you can

2372
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:23,760
Speaker 2: send it out to your agents and social media like

2373
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 2: shams and other insiders and hint towards very heavily. He

2374
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 2: thinks it's time for him to potentially move on and

2375
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 2: maybe the bus can start listening for offers.

2376
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 1: I don't think he realizes what a golden god he

2377
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 1: is in Milwaukee. I want to know where to go.

2378
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 3: He is not going to burn any bridges there. He

2379
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 3: brought them their first championship in like fifty years since Kareem.

2380
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 1: There's hat a.

2381
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 3: Fifty point game and the close out to win in

2382
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one.

2383
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 2: There's probably a contingent of fans who say, you know

2384
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 2: what you deserve to leave. Look at the people that

2385
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 2: they put around you. They've destroyed the infrastructure of this team.

2386
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 2: Why did they give Miles Turner all this money? I

2387
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 2: want you to leave.

2388
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: I want you to win.

2389
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 3: They will blame everyone but him, right.

2390
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 1: I think he is good there.

2391
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 3: He will always be in good standing in Milwaukee. They

2392
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 3: will be understanding to him leaving this team because it's

2393
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 3: been mismanaged for a while now. Some of it was

2394
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 3: just bad luck with Chris Middleton his knee injury. He

2395
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 3: never fully recovered and became that guy again. Some of

2396
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 3: it was, you honest, being banged up in the playoffs,

2397
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:20,879
Speaker 3: like almost every single.

2398
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 1: Year, the worst possible time to get hurt. He was hurt.

2399
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 3: Damian Lillard tears the achilles last season. That was their

2400
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 3: last ditch effort to bring him a number two player

2401
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:33,639
Speaker 3: that he'd work well with that would extend this window

2402
01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:35,800
Speaker 3: of winning a championship in Milwaukee again.

2403
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 2: The problem is they doubled down and just made things

2404
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,240
Speaker 2: worse on themselves. Like I don't know, I might have

2405
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 2: just eaten Damian Lillard's contract for the next couple of

2406
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 2: years as opposed to the waven stretch, because that's gonna

2407
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 2: end up hampering you. That opened up enough money for

2408
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:51,719
Speaker 2: you to trade for Miles Turner, who's a solid player,

2409
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 2: but nothing specially and it's certainly not worth the amount

2410
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 2: of money that he's making. So you just put yourself

2411
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 2: in a terrible situation for now and in the future.

2412
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 1: It's true, I get it.

2413
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 3: You do everything to keep a generational player like this,

2414
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 3: who I don't think wants to leave. But he's also

2415
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 3: so damn competitive and driven. He's not gonna stay in

2416
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 3: a place while in his prime where he knows he

2417
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,640
Speaker 3: can't win a ring. And to be honest, and I

2418
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,599
Speaker 3: made this argument last week, you know, I think guys

2419
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 3: like him, Steph Curry, they don't just owe it to

2420
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:27,520
Speaker 3: that fan base for them to be competing for championships.

2421
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 3: They owe it to the NBA, They owe it to

2422
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 3: everybody else out there. These guys are all timers. If

2423
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 3: Yannis wins another championship, I think he's easily in the

2424
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 3: top ten ever conversation. He is that good. You look

2425
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 3: at the accolades, the MVPs, how many times he's finished

2426
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 3: top five even when he hasn't won. He's got a

2427
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year award. He has done it all,

2428
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 3: and he has lifted a team that has been pretty

2429
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 3: mediocre for a while to heights they really never should

2430
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:57,919
Speaker 3: have gotten to anyways. He's that dominant.

2431
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: So here's the question. I can't.

2432
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 2: There's plenty of places where you say, oh, he's a

2433
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 2: great fit. He's a great fit with Anthony Edwards. He's

2434
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 2: a great fit with Luka Doncik. He's a great fit

2435
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 2: with Steph Curry. He's a great, great fit with Jalen Brunson,

2436
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 2: who has their requisite amount of assets to be able

2437
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 2: to trade to Milwaukee.

2438
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 1: For them to say, all right, that makes sense for.

2439
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,400
Speaker 2: Us, because I've heard someone say earlier on Friday, like, oh,

2440
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 2: they owe it to Yiannis to send them somewhere where

2441
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 2: he can win. And I was like, with all due

2442
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 2: respect to us, yes, the Milwaukee Bucks owe it to

2443
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 2: themselves to make the best trade for the Milwaukee Bucks.

2444
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 2: Yiannis be damned like, they're paying him fifty sixty million

2445
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 2: dollars a year and he's cashing those checks. He helped

2446
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:39,080
Speaker 2: them win a championship. It's a mutual, beneficial, mutually beneficial partnership.

2447
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 2: He gets paid, he paid, he plays. I'm sure in

2448
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 2: a perfect world they would love to send him somewhere

2449
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 2: where he can win, where they can also recoup some

2450
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 2: good assets to be able to start their rebuild. But

2451
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 2: the idea that I'm just gonna send Yanis on is

2452
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 2: Mary Ways and where we can win when we take

2453
01:46:53,080 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 2: back a bunch of crap.

2454
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:55,560
Speaker 1: No, they don't owe him that.

2455
01:46:56,200 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 3: They definitely don't. But I do think because when we

2456
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 3: talk about the fan base and the backlash that could

2457
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 3: come just from trading Giannis, well if you also do

2458
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 3: him dirty and Giannis is bad mouthing them on the

2459
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 3: way out. Now, that happened a little bit with Damon Portland, right,

2460
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 3: and he's back there and they were able to mend

2461
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 3: that bridge. So yes, you don't just do anything he

2462
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 3: wants at the expense of hurting your own franchise because

2463
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 3: you're not getting the whole back of draft picks or

2464
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,719
Speaker 3: young players that you could get because you're more concerned

2465
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 3: about making him happy.

2466
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:32,640
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not saying you trade him

2467
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:34,560
Speaker 2: to Washington, like I'm not saying you send him to

2468
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 2: the dregs of the league. But maybe you send him

2469
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 2: somewhere that's not Golden State, someone who's not a player

2470
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,680
Speaker 2: away from a championship. But it's like, uh, he'll go here,

2471
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:43,519
Speaker 2: he'll make them a French contender. Maybe they'll have to

2472
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 2: do some work and get some help like something like that.

2473
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 1: And with Portland and.

2474
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 3: Dame, his first choice was supposedly Miami, he still got

2475
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 3: to go to a good situation in Milwaukee. With Giannis

2476
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 3: Dennekoumpo and even though it didn't work out, injuries and

2477
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 3: everything else that wasn't doing him dirty. Obviously, I think

2478
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 3: it'll be something like that where they can get enough

2479
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 3: back from him. And look, there's so many teams that

2480
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:13,560
Speaker 3: will offer everything they have for Yannis. They shouldn't be

2481
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,839
Speaker 3: in a position where they should have to choose between

2482
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:18,639
Speaker 3: helping themselves or helping Yiannis.

2483
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 2: Well, the question is, we know that they can get

2484
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 2: more if they wait until the summer. The problem is

2485
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:27,360
Speaker 2: it just makes the remainder of this season extremely awkward

2486
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 2: for everybody. So that's the problem. But again, is that

2487
01:48:30,439 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 2: something if you're Milwaukee has a franchise that you say, Okay,

2488
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,680
Speaker 2: we're willing to weather that, because again, there could be

2489
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 2: people throwing everything but the kitchen sink at us. But

2490
01:48:37,640 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 2: you know what, they ain't good enough. I want the

2491
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:41,840
Speaker 2: sink too, and I can't get the sink until the

2492
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 2: summer comes around and everybody else has an extra twenty

2493
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 2: thirty three draft pick that they can throw in.

2494
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 3: Well, they currently have some broken dishes in that sink themselves.

2495
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:52,799
Speaker 3: With Gianni's being hurt as well.

2496
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's also a big factor in this. This is

2497
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 2: not a guy that's twenty six years old who is

2498
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 2: in the bastion of durability. He hasn't played more the

2499
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 2: seventy games, but what once in the last six years

2500
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 2: or seven years, something like that. He's routinely playing around

2501
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,800
Speaker 2: the sixty game mark. And to your point, usually these

2502
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 2: injuries for him crop up at the worst possible time

2503
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 2: in the postseason. So that's something that you have to

2504
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:14,600
Speaker 2: weigh as another team that trades for him too, is

2505
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:16,840
Speaker 2: like I spectacular as he is, and as great as

2506
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 2: our hopes are that he can put us over the top,

2507
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,160
Speaker 2: can we even guarantee the guy's gonna actually be around

2508
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:21,960
Speaker 2: when we need him to be.

2509
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 3: All Milwaukee needs, though, is two teams. All all they

2510
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,839
Speaker 3: need is two teams with a lot of draft equity,

2511
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 3: a lot of draft capital that they can pit against

2512
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 3: one another to drive up the price. And I do

2513
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:39,160
Speaker 3: think there's something too. While yes, you could wait till

2514
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 3: this summer where more draft picks open up for some teams,

2515
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 3: that also means Giannis at that point will be on

2516
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 3: an expiring one year deal.

2517
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 1: Correct.

2518
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,760
Speaker 3: If a team trades for him now you can have

2519
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:56,680
Speaker 3: him for this playoff run. That could be advantageous, and

2520
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,520
Speaker 3: you could get more for him because now you're guaranteed

2521
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 3: two playoff runs with Giannis instead of just one. Now,

2522
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 3: any team trading for him obviously is looking for a

2523
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 3: guy that's not going to be a rental. They don't

2524
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,240
Speaker 3: want a Kawhi Leonard situation. But Yannis is also so

2525
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,800
Speaker 3: good you may risk it and just hope that you

2526
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:16,160
Speaker 3: bring him into your culture, or he's good enough to

2527
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 3: bring you a ring like Kawhi did with Toronto, and

2528
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 3: even though he left in a year, who cares it's

2529
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 3: their first ring ever. He's a legend there. He'll be

2530
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,880
Speaker 3: worshiped forever. But they do want to have some security

2531
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,280
Speaker 3: that Yannis at least is going to give them the

2532
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 3: opportunity to make their bid and say, hey, this is

2533
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 3: where you could have roots and settle down and we

2534
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,040
Speaker 3: can contend for the next five seasons. Now, don't worry,

2535
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:43,000
Speaker 3: stay here. They don't want a rental situation. But if

2536
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 3: I'm one of these teams and look Golden State Warriors,

2537
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:48,120
Speaker 3: they have the capital, do it now, and I think

2538
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:48,599
Speaker 3: they should.

2539
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: Honestly, what do they have to lose.

2540
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 3: They have four first round picks they could trade. Currently,

2541
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 3: they have the contracts to structure around getting Yannis and

2542
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 3: Kyle Kuzma in maybe, and Kuzma hasn't been great with them.

2543
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 3: He has been great the last few years, says, he

2544
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 3: also has been in some pretty bad situations. I like

2545
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,479
Speaker 3: Kyle Kuzma with the Lakers. I thought he became a

2546
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 3: very good role player when they won in twenty twenty.

2547
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 1: For that never really matched that production since he left

2548
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:15,559
Speaker 1: the Lakers.

2549
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 3: You know what, you go to a place like Washington,

2550
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:21,599
Speaker 3: he could develop some bad habits, it happens. Get him

2551
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:24,679
Speaker 3: back into a winning culture like the Golden State Warriors

2552
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 3: with Steph Curry who's on borrowed time right now and

2553
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 3: has to win.

2554
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you thought Milwaukee wasn't winning culture when he

2555
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:32,680
Speaker 2: got there. With Giannis, Yeah, that hasn't worked out.

2556
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:36,040
Speaker 3: They still didn't have a real number two, like Kuzma

2557
01:51:36,120 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 3: is the number three at best on championship team, more

2558
01:51:39,439 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 3: likely a four. Right he goes to Golden State. You

2559
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 3: got Steph, Jannis, drey Bond, then Kuzma in there, and

2560
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 3: they can give him back Kaminga along the way. Interesting,

2561
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 3: he's a project, But I'm still interested in Minga because

2562
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 3: I don't think he's been used very well in Golden State,

2563
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 3: and that's been interesting with just Steve Kerr and him

2564
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 3: being on the out. So you get four first round picks,

2565
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:06,639
Speaker 3: you get Kaminga, you get the contract that's expiring after

2566
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:12,599
Speaker 3: next year with Jimmy Butler, maybe Pods as well. I'm

2567
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 3: probably doing that today if I'm Milwaukee and Giannis is

2568
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 3: good with it too, why are you not signing off

2569
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 3: on that?

2570
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 2: You know, if it were not for his injury history,

2571
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 2: considering teams that have assets and young players, it would

2572
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 2: not have surprised me if Oklahoma City or San Antonio

2573
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 2: made a play for him.

2574
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 1: But the problem is they could.

2575
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 3: They have everything you need, but.

2576
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 2: The problem is it's too high risk for them. I

2577
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:34,519
Speaker 2: can't trade away all my assets for a guy who's

2578
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 2: not going to be available. And if you're Oklahoma City,

2579
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 2: you have so many guys who are gonna be up

2580
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:40,759
Speaker 2: for extensions in the next couple of years, They're probably

2581
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:42,680
Speaker 2: gonna have to end up using their draft capital to

2582
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 2: restock because they can't sign all these guys well.

2583
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:49,320
Speaker 3: And they could theoretically both have larger windows if they

2584
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 3: just stay the course with young guys on cheap deals.

2585
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 3: With all the draft picks that okaysee still has I

2586
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,600
Speaker 3: forget how they got those, but oh do you You

2587
01:52:58,680 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 3: don't run a reminder, I'm mister, remember Roger Clemens here.

2588
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're also so good right now it's worth

2589
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 3: seeing it through obviously, Okay, so he just want it.

2590
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 3: They know they have enough and San Antonio is at

2591
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 3: least a year or two ahead of schedule, with them

2592
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 3: being the two seed right now in the Western Conference.

2593
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 1: And already having multiple victories over okay see this year.

2594
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 3: You don't need to make a drastic move for your

2595
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 3: honest in his contract. I think Golden State is the

2596
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 3: one team as desperate enough to where they want one

2597
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 3: more chance to win again with Steph Curry, another legacy

2598
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:36,240
Speaker 3: player of the NBA, one of the all time grades.

2599
01:53:36,280 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 3: I think he's a top five player of all time,

2600
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 3: and that's really all they care about in Golden State,

2601
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 3: making Steph Curry happy. To me, if you're not going

2602
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 3: to bring in a guy like Giannis when you have

2603
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 3: an opportunity like this, then damn it.

2604
01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:50,840
Speaker 1: Trade Steph.

2605
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 3: Put him somewhere where I can see him compete at

2606
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 3: the highest stage again.

2607
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I think the ball is pretty much in

2608
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 1: Milwaukee's court.

2609
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 2: At this point in time, I'm thoroughly convinced that Golden

2610
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:00,840
Speaker 2: State is willing to get give up whatever they need

2611
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:03,599
Speaker 2: to give up, say for Steph Curry obviously, to bring

2612
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 2: Joannison into the fold. The question is, if you're Milwaukee,

2613
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:09,599
Speaker 2: there are four first round picks and whatever assets Kamingo,

2614
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 2: whatever else, is that gonna be the best deal that

2615
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 2: you can possibly get and is it.

2616
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 1: Worth pulling the trigger on that now?

2617
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 2: Or do you wait for the summer and see if

2618
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, someone like Austin Reeves is available or

2619
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 2: somebody else from another team is available. In a sign

2620
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:24,080
Speaker 2: and trade situation where you could bring in a bona

2621
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:26,599
Speaker 2: fide All Star player and now you're still in a rebuild,

2622
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 2: but not as drastic of a rebuild when you actually

2623
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 2: have some real good pieces to build around. Because, with

2624
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 2: all due respect to Jonathan Kaminga, nobody's coming to see

2625
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,160
Speaker 2: him play, and he's far far stretch from an All Star.

2626
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 1: That's fair.

2627
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 3: They're in a good enough position where they don't have

2628
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 3: to be pressured into making a move right now unless

2629
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 3: Joannis actually comes out and says I need out now,

2630
01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 3: I need to win now, and he actually says the

2631
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 3: one thing he wouldn't for so long.

2632
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. He's fine to say that that,

2633
01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the bus gotta do a damn thing. No,

2634
01:54:57,880 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: I got all due respect.

2635
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, look again, it might get nasty, but

2636
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 2: it's like if I'm running a business here and I'm

2637
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 2: looking for the long term health of the Milwaukee Bucks franchise,

2638
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 2: I understand you one out. We want to do what's

2639
01:55:09,080 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 2: best for you, but more importantly, we want to do

2640
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 2: what's best for us. And if this deal ain't best

2641
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 2: for us, sorry, Bliah, we gotta wait until July, or

2642
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 2: wait until June until the draft rolls around.

2643
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 3: And because he's hurt right now, maybe teams aren't offering

2644
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 3: the farm like they would.

2645
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 2: If he was fully healthy, his market would be so

2646
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,200
Speaker 2: much well, I think, even more robust, not that it

2647
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 2: isn't already, but if he just didn't have the injury concerns.

2648
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you don't want to have to just patchwork

2649
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,600
Speaker 3: this thing together with a couple of weeks or three

2650
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 3: weeks or a month ago before the playoffs start, because

2651
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 3: that limits the possibility or just makes it a little

2652
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 3: bit more unrealistic for you to actually have that chemistry

2653
01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 3: to win it all.

2654
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:46,240
Speaker 1: Yep.

2655
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 2: Have you ever wiped with a piece of dry toilet

2656
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:50,680
Speaker 2: paper and wondered? Is this as good as it gets? Well,

2657
01:55:50,720 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 2: it's not. Switched to life changing wet extra large flushable

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01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 2: Dude Wipes because weather just cleans better. Available at Amazon

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Speaker 1: Coming up next, Breeze three final segment here on f

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Speaker 3: Is it called Breeze three because we only have three

2673
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 3: minutes left for it. Let's get to it, not one,

2674
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 3: not two, but three.

2675
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:49,520
Speaker 1: Sorts. It's entertainment, It's good it's Breeze three.

2676
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 3: Well, sure, hi guys.

2677
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 8: Okay, so we all know that Kevin Durant loves to

2678
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 8: be on Twitter and social media, had a lot of

2679
01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 8: burner accounts, blah blah blah. Well, he actually alluded to

2680
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 8: a collaboration with Sarah V in a video that he

2681
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 8: shared earlier this week, which like kind of poked fun

2682
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 8: at having like like dry skin like with Sarah V. Yeah,

2683
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 8: so just gotta be thinking like endorsements, like athlete endorsements,

2684
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 8: like what do we like really think of or remember

2685
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:20,800
Speaker 8: remember or whatever. So my first one, I went, I

2686
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 8: stayed in the NBA world and I went Shack and

2687
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 8: like Icy Hot, Like that's like, okay, hold.

2688
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 3: If you ped, yeah, you could pick Shack for all

2689
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 3: three of yours general subway. He's a DJ in yet

2690
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:40,320
Speaker 3: Papa John's.

2691
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 8: But like Icy High, I just think of Shack.

2692
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 3: Okay, that's pretty good.

2693
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,080
Speaker 8: It's Breeze three and I'm actually Breeze, So I'm starting

2694
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:50,560
Speaker 8: off with me in the general. Okay, that's nice. So

2695
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 8: then I went Kobe and like Turkish Airlines.

2696
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 1: Do you remember like that? I do remember that he

2697
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:57,560
Speaker 1: got a lot of heat for that controversial.

2698
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:01,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, And Messy was in it. And then my third

2699
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 8: one I went with like a Nike there was like

2700
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:07,480
Speaker 8: all these athletes. It was Lebron, Kobe, Chris Paul, Steve Nash,

2701
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 8: Mario Stodemeyer, Jermaine O'Neil, Paul Pierce, Shawn Merriman, Sean Marion,

2702
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:14,440
Speaker 8: and then Tony Parker. It was like this commercial is

2703
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 8: called the Second Coming, and it was like all of

2704
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:19,280
Speaker 8: them all together and it was just very like influential

2705
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:23,080
Speaker 8: and interesting to me. Clearly that makes okay, So Mark,

2706
01:58:23,120 --> 01:58:23,400
Speaker 8: you're up.

2707
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:29,200
Speaker 9: So my endorsements are first one, Peyton Manning Nationwide is

2708
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 9: on your side one. And then you have Eli his brother,

2709
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 9: he was selling hot sauce for a while, Frank's I

2710
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:38,520
Speaker 9: forgot about.

2711
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,360
Speaker 3: I totally forgot about that. He's doing Jersey mics now too,

2712
01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:43,240
Speaker 3: Danny DeVito, he's all over the plus.

2713
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 9: And then my last one is Michael Jordan's selling h

2714
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:48,320
Speaker 9: haynes Man's underwear.

2715
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 1: That's pretty much.

2716
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 2: Way do we go.

2717
01:58:51,400 --> 01:58:53,960
Speaker 1: Haynes song. I didn't have this pretty, but you reminded me.

2718
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 1: You talked about the Nike ad.

2719
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:57,000
Speaker 2: I remember the Nike ads with the Kobe and Lebron

2720
01:58:57,040 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 2: puppets and It was this whole build up because they

2721
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:01,960
Speaker 2: thought the Lakers were going to play the Cavaliers in

2722
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,200
Speaker 2: the finals, and it ended up being the Orlando Magic

2723
01:59:04,240 --> 01:59:06,560
Speaker 2: and Dwight Howard the Lakers played in the finals. But

2724
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 2: that was pretty funny, pretty clever at that campaign they

2725
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 2: had with the Kobe and le Bron puppets.

2726
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 3: Like heo, he ruined that party. He crashed the party.

2727
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:15,880
Speaker 9: Uh.

2728
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers discount double check turned into an entire thing,

2729
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 2: turned into an entire touchdown celebration for him. Farm Uh

2730
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 2: state farm?

2731
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 1: Correct? That was State Farm.

2732
01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 2: Yes, And then obviously he's probably a low hanging fruit

2733
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 2: and he's still doing it now. But Troy Polamalu with

2734
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,000
Speaker 2: the head and shoulders, I mean he was built for that.

2735
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:34,120
Speaker 3: That's pretty doing it now. All right, I'll go chunky

2736
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:35,760
Speaker 3: suit back in the day with Donovan.

2737
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:36,920
Speaker 1: That's right.

2738
01:59:37,120 --> 01:59:39,000
Speaker 3: I still get down with the chunky suit. What what

2739
01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:40,920
Speaker 3: do you you saying you should have had that one?

2740
01:59:40,960 --> 01:59:42,240
Speaker 1: B No, it's just so old.

2741
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:44,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, I remember that that's the foe.

2742
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 1: We're going down memory las like I wasn't even born yet.

2743
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 3: How about the Right Guard commercials with Charles Barkley, anything

2744
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:56,080
Speaker 3: else or anything less would be uncivilized. Those were pretty good,

2745
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 3: and then I could go, there's so many honorable mentions here.

2746
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 3: I think McDonald's with Michael Jordan was big because the

2747
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:08,200
Speaker 3: commercials where he's playing horse with Larry Bird those were

2748
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 3: really fun.

2749
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:10,440
Speaker 1: I could go a little penny.

2750
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:14,200
Speaker 3: I mean the other Nike commercials, Like there's.

2751
02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:17,040
Speaker 8: So many Nike had, like the Charles Barkley one, like

2752
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 8: I'm not a role model. I don't think I was born.

2753
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 8: I was born that year, so I obviously don't remember,

2754
02:00:21,400 --> 02:00:25,040
Speaker 8: but I remember like that was like interesting, I know

2755
02:00:25,120 --> 02:00:27,480
Speaker 8: he's not, but like State Farm, also Chris Paul those

2756
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 8: were my honorable.

2757
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 1: Cliff fall.

2758
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:33,920
Speaker 3: A big one for pretty good Converse and Larry Johnson

2759
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,160
Speaker 3: with the Grandma Grandmama.

2760
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:36,760
Speaker 1: See that was See that was the only shoe that

2761
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:37,880
Speaker 1: I could afford. Back of the day.

2762
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:40,200
Speaker 2: That was like the affordable star. Everybody had the pennies.

2763
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that. I had to get the Grandmama shoes.

2764
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:43,840
Speaker 1: Something.

2765
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,200
Speaker 2: Where was that at We're House sho Saale. I mean,

2766
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:48,200
Speaker 2: give me some credit here at least Brie, my.

2767
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 3: God, Grandma Ma is probably better than the La Lights

2768
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 3: though right the year, Yeah, who had those was that

2769
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 3: it did. He Keeme out those I don't remember, thinking

2770
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:02,320
Speaker 3: of Clyde maybe so one of those Kenny Smith Smith

2771
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:06,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, Robert Hori, Zim Gaseill Houston Rockets, and

2772
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:07,640
Speaker 3: went back to back.

2773
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:10,800
Speaker 2: Thank you Breath, Thank you Mark, Thank you guys for listening.

2774
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 2: Much appreciated all of your support. Project and IL coming

2775
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:15,480
Speaker 2: up next here on Fox Sports Radio