WEBVTT - 5. A Script for Nuclear War

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<v Speaker 1>This is Joseph Stalin giving a speech to Soviet citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's July third, nineteen forty one. In the months before

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<v Speaker 1>this speech, Hitler had lined up thousands of troops alongside

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet border for some military exercises. Yet there's early

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<v Speaker 1>turns out they weren't just exercises. They were cover for

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise attack on the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 2>June twenty first, nineteen forty one, with treacherous assault, Germany

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<v Speaker 2>declares war on Soviet Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>The invasion was called Operation Barbarossa. It was brutal. It

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<v Speaker 1>marked the beginning of the Soviet's four year long entanglement

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<v Speaker 1>in World War II. So great news the Nazis lost.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you heard, but the Soviet death

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<v Speaker 1>toll in World War two was staggering. Twenty five million

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet soldiers and civilians were lost. Stalin hadn't seen it coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Barbarosa had caught him totally by surprise, and getting

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<v Speaker 1>caught unawares was utterly humiliating. His intelligence had failed him.

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<v Speaker 1>The embarrassment of Operation Barbarossa would plant a seed of

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<v Speaker 1>paranoia amongst the Soviets and decades later land them on

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<v Speaker 1>an inevitable crash course with NATO nuclear exercise able Archer

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three. If you go to therapy, as most of

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<v Speaker 1>us probably should, especially if you're anything like Stalin, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that this German sneak attack qualifies as a traumatic event.

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<v Speaker 1>You think you know someone until they turn on you

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<v Speaker 1>and ravage your homeland. Textbook trauma, trauma that, if left unchecked,

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<v Speaker 1>could cause the Soviet Union to accuse the West of

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<v Speaker 1>treachery every time they did a military exercise, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really just an exercise. But you're too scared

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<v Speaker 1>to accept that because of your traumatic history with Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>who was totally a jeter. But no Soviet leaders to

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<v Speaker 1>my knowledge at least didn't go to therapy. Maybe their

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<v Speaker 1>insurance didn't cover it, I don't know. Instead, they stole

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<v Speaker 1>the sneak attack move for themselves. They began to use

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<v Speaker 1>military exercises as a cover for invasion. It's how they

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<v Speaker 1>invaded Czechoslovakia in the sixties, and the Russians would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to do the same thing in Crimea, Georgia and

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<v Speaker 1>even Ukraine in twenty twenty two. And they figured, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's something we would do, then of course the Americans

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<v Speaker 1>will do it too. You'd think the Americans would be all, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm not that guy. I know your last squeeze

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<v Speaker 1>did you wrong, but it's different between us. But instead

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<v Speaker 1>America is all.

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<v Speaker 3>They are the focus of evil in the modern world.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just say when it comes to military exercises,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviets didn't process their trauma, they didn't have healing.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got trust tissues and can you blame them? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Fast forward to the Fall of eighty three, which, as

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<v Speaker 1>we all know, was a totally crazy year.

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<v Speaker 3>The aggressive impulses of an evil empire.

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<v Speaker 4>Shut down the Korean Airlines plane that death straight into

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<v Speaker 4>Soviet airspace.

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<v Speaker 1>The army says that the Pershing two can fly up

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<v Speaker 1>to one thousand miles in under ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>Her name is Alex.

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<v Speaker 1>She works in a man's world.

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<v Speaker 3>She dances in a world of her dreams, flash dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, crazy year. I mean, who knew welders

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<v Speaker 1>could dance like that anyway. NATO is now preparing to

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<v Speaker 1>start a massive military exercise, culminating in Able Archer eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>a rehearsal for nuclear war. What could go wrong? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>at helms and this is Snafu, a podcast about history's

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<v Speaker 1>greatest screw ups, on season one, telling you the story

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<v Speaker 1>of a snafo that is gigantic, terrifying, and absurd. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called Able Archer eighty three, the nineteen eighty three NATO

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<v Speaker 1>military exercise that may have almost triggered a real nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode we get to it, the real deal,

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<v Speaker 1>the big Chabang Abel Archer itself, NATO practice is a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear war. The Soviets reach their breaking point and one

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<v Speaker 1>man is faced with a cataclysmic decision.

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<v Speaker 6>We practiced who to shoot, when to shoot.

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<v Speaker 1>That was our job, was to practice going to war.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Brian Regal. He was a Cold War tank

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<v Speaker 1>driver and a former participant in NATO's massive annual military

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<v Speaker 1>wargame Autumn Forge, which can best be described as NATO's

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<v Speaker 1>dress rehearsal for World War three. And it would all

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<v Speaker 1>end with little old Able Archer eighty three. It was

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<v Speaker 1>all a coordinated effort. It's like, you know, the most

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<v Speaker 1>elaborate large scale production of West Side Story.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like West Side Story, Autumn Forge has two teams, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead of the Sharks and the Jets fighting over a

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<v Speaker 1>girl named Mario, Sorry, I just I love West Side

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<v Speaker 1>Story anyway. Instead of the Sharks and the Jets, Autumn

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<v Speaker 1>Forge has blue and orange. Blue team is NATO and

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<v Speaker 1>orange the Soviets. And just like a play, Autumn Forge

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<v Speaker 1>has a script. The script has different stages or acts,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, as the drama of a fake war

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<v Speaker 1>plot unfolds. And let me be clear, NATO is very

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<v Speaker 1>serious about rehearsing this play. Opening day is tomorrow. The

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<v Speaker 1>actors are in full makeup and gas masks. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of military men actively playing for tend

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<v Speaker 1>war in Western Germany. They're driving around in real tanks,

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<v Speaker 1>surveilling in real airplanes, setting up fake supply lines and

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<v Speaker 1>fake medical evacuations, because Brian says, it's essential that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing feels realistic so that NATO can find the

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<v Speaker 1>wrinkles in their war plan and fix it because next

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<v Speaker 1>time it might not be a rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 7>It wasn't a question of would it happen, It was

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<v Speaker 7>a question of when was it going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>We were preparing to fight armageddon.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what we were told, That's what we believed, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>that's what we trained for.

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<v Speaker 1>We were training to fight the end of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with Autumn Forge's realism, of course, is that

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<v Speaker 1>each year the Soviets watched becoming more and more fearful.

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<v Speaker 1>They wondered, is this one an exercise or is this

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<v Speaker 1>the year when the exercise turns into a surprise attack.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen eighty three, like every other year before,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviets took their seats in the front row of

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<v Speaker 1>NATO's grand production of World War Three, and this year

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<v Speaker 1>they were in for one hell of a show.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'm an Mulligan. Sergeant Richard real is standing by

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<v Speaker 2>at the AFN Autumn Forge News death.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So they even made a fake newscast about it,

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<v Speaker 1>which might seem really bizarre, but it just goes to

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<v Speaker 1>show you how committed they were in producing this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They really wanted it to feel real. Right now, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a shift in the battle lines. For the past

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<v Speaker 1>two days.

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<v Speaker 2>Orange Forces after crossing the Donau River, I've made steady

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<v Speaker 2>advances against the Blue Forces to the west.

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<v Speaker 1>Act one, Autumn Forge Orange invades West Germany. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviets are the aggressors in our little war scenario here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they are the evil empire after all, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Blue approaches the Iron Curtain to try to hold

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<v Speaker 1>off the aggressors. Yes, the invasion isn't real, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are real NATO tanks and very real guns marching right

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<v Speaker 1>up to Soviet territory here, and the Soviets are watching.

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<v Speaker 1>The plot continues, Blue struggles against the might of the

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<v Speaker 1>Orange forces.

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<v Speaker 2>The Orange are and have been making penetration against the

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<v Speaker 2>Blue forces.

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<v Speaker 1>NATO is going to need some backup, which means now

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for act too. Sixteen thousand American troops board

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<v Speaker 1>planes in the United States flyover and are dropped right

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<v Speaker 1>into the Autumn Forge theater. These gis have flown twelve

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<v Speaker 1>hours from Fort Hood, Texas to take part in the

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<v Speaker 1>multinational maneuvers. Now, this phase of the exercise happened every year,

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<v Speaker 1>but this year NATO would make a change, a change

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<v Speaker 1>that would add just a dash of paranoia to what

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<v Speaker 1>was already a recipe for disaster. Over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>eight days, all these sixteen thousand troops were flown in

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<v Speaker 1>under total radio silence. This isn't the kind of silence

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<v Speaker 1>you get at a convention for mimes. I don't know, No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is radio silence, which is what the military does

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<v Speaker 1>when it's trying to avoid enemy's surveillance, and it made

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviets wonder what are they trying to hide. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>in the real world, the United States would make a

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic move, and the Soviets believed their worst fears were

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<v Speaker 1>being realized.

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<v Speaker 2>Corrupt our regularly scheduled program to bring you an NBC

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<v Speaker 2>News report.

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon, emby one.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tom Broke, O NBC News in New York, and

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<v Speaker 2>here is the latest situation as we now know it

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<v Speaker 2>on the island of Grenada. It has been invaded by

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<v Speaker 2>a multi national force. The bulk of that force about

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen hundred American troops that includes Marie.

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<v Speaker 1>On October twenty third, nineteen eighty three, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>invaded the small island nation of Grenada, a tiny Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>island but an important Soviet ally. Grenada had been ruled

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<v Speaker 1>by a communist government for years. It was going through

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<v Speaker 1>a violent power struggle when the United States invaded. Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>claimed he was just trying to help restore democracy, but

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<v Speaker 1>even US allies condemned the invasion, and the Soviets believed

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<v Speaker 1>it was proof of just how aggressive America could be. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the autumn forged script continued to escalate. Orange attacks Blues

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<v Speaker 1>supply lines, Blue retaliates. Orange uses chemical weapons, not cool guys.

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<v Speaker 1>The invasion continues, and all of a sudden, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the script, there's nothing left to do but start launching

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear missiles. And that's what brings us to Act three,

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<v Speaker 1>Able Archer. You may wonder, like I did, where the

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<v Speaker 1>name able Archer comes from. I'm so glad you asked.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't have an answer for you on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't worry. I have something better because during our

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<v Speaker 1>research we discovered that while there is no known source

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<v Speaker 1>for the name Able Archer, there does exist a porn

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<v Speaker 1>actor named Abel Archer who stars in skin flicks such

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<v Speaker 1>as Reality Dudes and The Balls of Wall Street.

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<v Speaker 6>Any You girls, or to a large with extra cream?

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<v Speaker 1>This is true, and yeah, apparently he didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>about the wargame. He just came up with it all

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<v Speaker 1>on his own.

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<v Speaker 8>Anyway, it was a week just like every other week.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Jane Gay, a participant in Able Archer eighty three.

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<v Speaker 8>NATO headquarters is located in a village called Mons, Belgium.

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<v Speaker 1>Monstown Center looked like every classic European city all cobblestone

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<v Speaker 1>and Gothic architecture. But a few miles out there's NATO's

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<v Speaker 1>military headquarters, Stately Square Modern. That's where Gene and his

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues are as Act three, Able Archer kicks off in

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<v Speaker 1>early November.

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<v Speaker 9>The whole purpose of able Archer was the emphasis on

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<v Speaker 9>the practice of the nuclear weapons release for seizures.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Colonel Spike Calendar, another VET who was also involved

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<v Speaker 1>in Able Archer that year. Now, a few different NATO

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<v Speaker 1>countries had nukes and they didn't need permission from their

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<v Speaker 1>pals to use them. But the whole idea of NATO

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<v Speaker 1>is that if the Soviets invaded one member, all NATO

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<v Speaker 1>countries would coordinate on a nuclear defense. You ever hear

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<v Speaker 1>the phrase big ships turn slowly. In nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>there were sixteen NATO member nations, each with their own

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<v Speaker 1>languages and protocols. But when the fate of the world

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<v Speaker 1>hangs in the balance, NATO needed to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>turn that big ship fast.

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<v Speaker 9>The whole idea was, if you ever had to do it,

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<v Speaker 9>you didn't want to do it for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how the whole thing is supposed to go down.

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<v Speaker 8>They forced things to happen to make you react to

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<v Speaker 8>it as if it was the real world situation.

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<v Speaker 1>The planners came up with an escalating war scenario and

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<v Speaker 1>the players are given a challenge. As the scenario escalates,

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<v Speaker 1>when will you step in and recommend the use of

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons? Which nuclear weapons should we use? How many?

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<v Speaker 1>And where is trusting use of twenty five years web?

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<v Speaker 1>The men reference their binders of war plans, come up

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<v Speaker 1>with a strategy, and rehearse the approval process for launching nukes.

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<v Speaker 9>When yeah, it reached a point where the yes that

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<v Speaker 9>the president of the Prime Minister agreed that these weapons

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<v Speaker 9>were required and then would give the in effect the

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<v Speaker 9>official release to it.

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<v Speaker 1>During the wargame, once our pretend president approves the fictional

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear launch, the Able Archer communications ricochet backed down the

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<v Speaker 1>chain of command, finally reaching the folks who launch the

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<v Speaker 1>fake nukes, which is exactly what it's like in the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Two men sitting at opposite ends of a nuclear control room,

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<v Speaker 1>confirming the codes and simultaneously turning the launch keys. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Able Archer, compared to the rest of bottomn Forge, is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely pared down. No more helicopters and tanks, just men

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<v Speaker 1>in a bunker with phones. But even though there are

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<v Speaker 1>fewer players and the stage is largely empty, this is

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<v Speaker 1>where the stakes are highest. I guess that's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>about nuclear wars. When it gets to that point, all

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<v Speaker 1>the thousands of troops and tanks and infrastructure just don't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>It all comes down to a few people in a

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<v Speaker 1>room letting the nukes do all the work. And this

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<v Speaker 1>year the Able Archer players had a few new weapons

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<v Speaker 1>on their nuclear menu, the Pershing twos and the ground

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<v Speaker 1>cruise missiles. The nukes that were scheduled for installation eminently,

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<v Speaker 1>the nukes that could obliterate Moscow in seven minutes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's important to say that even though jene was practicing

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear war with the new euro missiles, they had not

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<v Speaker 1>yet been installed in Western Europe. That deployment date was

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<v Speaker 1>still a couple of weeks away. But the Soviets saw

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<v Speaker 1>deception everywhere, and as Able Archer kicked off, they feared

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<v Speaker 1>those missiles may already be in place. So the first

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<v Speaker 1>week of November nineteen eighty three, a few miles outside

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<v Speaker 1>the lovely town of Mons, Belgium, Gene Spike and their

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<v Speaker 1>colleagues filed into a bunker carrying binders full of nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>plans to hear their Able Archer war game challenge. Earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this year, communist hard liners in Moscow took over the Kremlin.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then the group has expanded their influence in Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Europe and the Middle East. Now they have officially invaded

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<v Speaker 1>Western Europe.

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<v Speaker 8>So that was the kickoff, and that was my work

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<v Speaker 8>as I started out that week.

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<v Speaker 1>Which brings us to November fourth, nineteen eighty three. The

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<v Speaker 1>bunker deep inside NATO headquarters in Belgium is buzzing to life.

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<v Speaker 1>The communications machines are switched on the lines tested.

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<v Speaker 4>Exercise exercise exercise testing communications over.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Able Archer planners begin performing the wargame script

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<v Speaker 1>over the airwaves. The script's plot is getting more and

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<v Speaker 1>more dire. Remember they're trying to lead the able larger

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<v Speaker 1>players towards a fake nuclear war, So the planners keep

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<v Speaker 1>escalating the narrative.

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<v Speaker 4>Exercise exercise exercise Orange has invaded Germany over.

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<v Speaker 1>And relaying all this drama on NATO's secure communications line.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course they had company. The Soviets had picked

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<v Speaker 1>up the signal.

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<v Speaker 10>Now all this time the communications are going backwards and forwards,

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<v Speaker 10>being listened into by the Soviets, who knew this was

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<v Speaker 10>an intended exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's historian Taylor Downing.

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<v Speaker 10>And each signal was begun with the sort of three

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<v Speaker 10>words exercise, exercise, exercise, exercise. But the Soviet analyzes analyzing

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<v Speaker 10>the radio signals that are being picked up are starting

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<v Speaker 10>at this point to get really quite anxious, and they're

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<v Speaker 10>now starting to think, is this actually a real NATO exercise?

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<v Speaker 10>Is this genuine or is it what they feared was

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<v Speaker 10>the Russian wood his Maskrovka deception? Is all this a

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<v Speaker 10>deception to delude us to the fact that NATO is

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<v Speaker 10>actually amassing its resources to prepare a nuclear assault.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, as you and I both know, NATO is absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>not planning a nuclear assault upon the Soviet Union. They

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<v Speaker 1>want to play the war game, learn their lessons, then

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<v Speaker 1>go catch flash dance or risky business. But the Soviets

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that. All they know is that under Operation Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence from Soviet spies seems to keep supporting their assumption

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<v Speaker 1>that the West is definitely planning a nuclear attack. Also

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<v Speaker 1>this year, strangely, autumn forged troops flew in under total

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<v Speaker 1>radio silence, and the US just invaded Grenada. And now

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<v Speaker 1>what they're overhearing from the able archer war game is

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<v Speaker 1>feeling kind of intense. So the Soviets were left one ring.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that Wiley Reagan really up to? Well, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I would fucking love to tell you what Reagan was

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<v Speaker 1>up to on November fourth. I know because we checked

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<v Speaker 1>the presidential photo archives. While the Soviets were imagining Ronald

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan sitting in the Oval Office with a maniacal grin

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<v Speaker 1>on his face and nuclear plans spread across the resolute desk,

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<v Speaker 1>he was actually quite literally feeding acorns to squirrels on

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<v Speaker 1>the White House lawn.

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<v Speaker 7>Here you go, a little guy, here's a big one

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<v Speaker 7>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>God damn it, you're cute.

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<v Speaker 7>You seem like you've got it all together up in

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<v Speaker 7>your little tree. I've got a whole stash of these

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<v Speaker 7>in my desk, little buddy. Don't you worry, adorable presidential

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<v Speaker 7>respite or an insidious ruse. I'll say this for Reagan.

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<v Speaker 7>The guy contains multitudes.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, in London, it becomes clear to one double agent

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<v Speaker 1>that the KGB is convinced a nuclear war is imminent,

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<v Speaker 1>so that there was.

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<v Speaker 5>A cable in the beginning warning the stations as the

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<v Speaker 5>American status and a very important exercise which can develop

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<v Speaker 5>to something sinister.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's our old pal, Oleg Gordievski. Remember he's a Western

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<v Speaker 1>spy pretending to be a loyal KGB spy who is

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to be a Russian diplomat. I mean, the guy's

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<v Speaker 1>a human nesting dog. Anyway. It's November fifth, nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordievski is sitting in the Soviet embassy in London when

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<v Speaker 1>he receives a telegram from Moscow. The telegram tells the

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<v Speaker 1>spies to keep close watch on the movements of British politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>It says, since the US and the UK are such

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<v Speaker 1>close allies, surely the British will be involved in any

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<v Speaker 1>sudden nuclear attack, and so it literally tells them to

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<v Speaker 1>go hang out outside Prime Minister Maggie Thatcher's house and

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<v Speaker 1>watch for any indication that the West has decided to attack,

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<v Speaker 1>because the telegram said once that decision was made, the

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<v Speaker 1>attack would be coming in seven to ten days.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew it was a dramatic moment. I knew Moscow

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<v Speaker 5>was nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>November sixth is quiet. It's Sunday. The Lord rests and

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<v Speaker 1>all that, Ronald and Nancy Reagan wake up at Camp

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<v Speaker 1>David and head back to DC. The night before, they

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<v Speaker 1>stayed up late watching The Wicked Lady starring Faye Dunaway.

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<v Speaker 1>The Wicked Later.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like a dangerous entity.

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<v Speaker 1>You make a dangerous patna, Reagan writes about it in

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<v Speaker 1>this journal. Naturally, it was embarrassing, damn near pornographic. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even write out the word damn. He literally writes

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<v Speaker 1>d dash dash in Oh my God, what a dork.

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<v Speaker 1>But while Reagan is writing rotten tomatoes reviews in his

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<v Speaker 1>diary and feeding the squirrels, and Dropov isn't having such

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<v Speaker 1>a good time.

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<v Speaker 10>The seventh eighth and November is the anniversary of the

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<v Speaker 10>revolution in Russia back in nineteen seventeen, and this is

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<v Speaker 10>a big public holiday in the Soviet Union. There was

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<v Speaker 10>always a big parade in Red Square.

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<v Speaker 1>But Yuri and drop Off doesn't give a speech at

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<v Speaker 1>the parade in Red Square as he ordinarily would. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he lays in a hospital bed in a secure clinic

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<v Speaker 1>twenty kilometers outside of Moscow, dying of kidney failure.

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<v Speaker 10>All the roads to it were very heavily guarded. Nobody

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<v Speaker 10>could get into it. You know, it was far away

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<v Speaker 10>from prying eyes of reporters or dissidents or anybody else.

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<v Speaker 10>It was completely surrounded by a ring of KGB security.

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<v Speaker 10>All the other members of the Politbureau would come out

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<v Speaker 10>in their limousines to visit him.

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<v Speaker 1>And never leaving. A drop Off side was the aid

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<v Speaker 1>who carries the Cheggott, the Soviets version of the nuclear football.

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<v Speaker 1>It's named after a mountain in Russia. I assume because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't play football.

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<v Speaker 10>There was a feeling in Russia that if the West

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<v Speaker 10>is going to attack, they'll probably attack while we're sort

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<v Speaker 10>of off our guard, while we're relaxing, while we're on holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we don't know what happened in that hospital room,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's what we do know. We know that and

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<v Speaker 1>drop Off was dragged into World War II as a

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<v Speaker 1>young man when Operation Barbarossa traumatized the Soviet Union with

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise attack under the ruse of military exercises. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that he conceived of Operation Ryan to preempt a

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<v Speaker 1>surprise nuclear attack from the West. We know Russians believed

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise attack would come during a holiday, and we

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<v Speaker 1>know that now during a holiday, and drop Off was

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<v Speaker 1>dying in a hospital bed with nuclear codes within reach,

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<v Speaker 1>all while NATO rehearsed a nuclear war.

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<v Speaker 10>It's impossible to know what thoughts go through a person

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<v Speaker 10>when they're in that physical state, but it's difficult to

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<v Speaker 10>imagine that it didn't have some effect upon his mental outlook.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and one other thing. We all also know that

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<v Speaker 1>if the Soviet leaders believed an attack was eminent, they

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<v Speaker 1>had a policy to launch a preemptive strike to take

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<v Speaker 1>out enemy weapons before they were even launched. One can

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<v Speaker 1>only wonder if what was really going on in that

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<v Speaker 1>hospital room on November seventh was the Soviet leadership preparing

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<v Speaker 1>a nuclear attack of their own.

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<v Speaker 5>So obviously, as there was a lot of activity on

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<v Speaker 5>the JERU.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, this is Oleg Gordievski again back in London during

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<v Speaker 1>able archer. He's talking about the GRU, the Soviet military's

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence department. Now this is a little technical, but it's important,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me break it down for you. The KGB,

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<v Speaker 1>Oleg's employer, is the official intelligence organization for the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 1>But the Soviet military had their own intelligence department called

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<v Speaker 1>the GRU.

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<v Speaker 5>It was their responsibility. It was their department which was

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<v Speaker 5>responsible for their countermeageres and for monitoring what was happening

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<v Speaker 5>in the nights of countries.

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<v Speaker 1>So like, I don't know, oh, concerns that NATO is

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<v Speaker 1>about to launch a bunch of nukes, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>the primary concern of the GRU, not necessarily the KGB.

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<v Speaker 1>The GRU also had a bunch of spies in London,

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<v Speaker 1>also posing in the embassy as Russian diplomats, and Gordiovski

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<v Speaker 1>remembers that during Able Archer eighty three, those GRU guys

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<v Speaker 1>were looking pretty stressed out.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember that we were sitting on the loft of

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<v Speaker 5>the embassy and they were sitting in the basement, and

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<v Speaker 5>they were sitting like mice day and night during the

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<v Speaker 5>able Archer exercise.

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<v Speaker 1>One reason Grdiovsky could tell the GRU was busier than

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<v Speaker 1>usual is because all of them were skipping the mandatory

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<v Speaker 1>morning meetings with the Russian ambassador.

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<v Speaker 5>In those days of able arch none of them, to

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<v Speaker 5>the irritation of the ambassador, was present.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, the head of the GRU station in London

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<v Speaker 1>was a man by the name of Yezhov.

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<v Speaker 5>People after the because Yezov Heitchhock, as he looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Heitchcock, always with the sick burn. Here's Gordo, He cracks

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<v Speaker 1>me up. Anyway, She was sitting in a city all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, as the papers, Gordievsky says it was unusual

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<v Speaker 1>for the hedgehog to be head down buried in papers.

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<v Speaker 1>It was clear to him that something was happening that

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<v Speaker 1>was very important to the GRU. Gordievski also says that

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<v Speaker 1>the GRU had a signal station in a building opposite

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<v Speaker 1>the embassy across Kensington Palace gardens. There a GRU radio

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<v Speaker 1>communicator would intercept signals like military communications.

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<v Speaker 5>And he was coming from that building, crossing the roads quickly,

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<v Speaker 5>and in the embassy and down to the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordievski watched this poor guy run back and forth all

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<v Speaker 1>week long, and listen, when you're a top secret GRU spy,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't leave yourself vulnerable to being seen or followed.

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<v Speaker 1>So whatever was happening, it must have been urgent. And

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<v Speaker 1>back in Belgium, well, the temperature was going up there too.

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<v Speaker 10>The Warsaw Pact started to use chemical weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Tailor Downing again, talking about the Able Archer script.

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<v Speaker 1>It's November seventh.

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<v Speaker 10>And the planners decided they had no alternative but to

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<v Speaker 10>respond by NATO forces using chemical weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember we're talking fake chemical weapons here.

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<v Speaker 10>Then on Monday, the seventh of November, in the script,

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<v Speaker 10>the warsaw pac to taking out various NATO command posts.

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<v Speaker 10>For instance, the US Air Force Command Center at Ramstein

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<v Speaker 10>in West Germany is in the script destroyed.

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<v Speaker 4>Exercise Exercise Exercise Orange is undeterred by Blues use of

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<v Speaker 4>chemical weapons. Oranges attack Ramstem with chemical weapons. Boo, what's

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<v Speaker 4>your move?

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<v Speaker 10>The planners, sitting around their tables and looking at the

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<v Speaker 10>maps on the wall, have to decide how to respond.

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<v Speaker 10>Then at this point they begin to think about a

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<v Speaker 10>nuclear execution plan, and on Tuesday, the eighth of November,

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<v Speaker 10>NATO decides that the only way it can respond is

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<v Speaker 10>with a nuclear response, and the planners start working out

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<v Speaker 10>how many megatons of bombs they need to request the

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<v Speaker 10>un of which key targets across the Soviet Union will

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<v Speaker 10>be targeted.

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<v Speaker 8>Part of my role during this time was to integrate

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<v Speaker 8>the new weapons into the NATO arsenal and operational plans.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be our man Gene.

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<v Speaker 8>And then these new weapons include the ground launched cruise

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<v Speaker 8>missile which were being deployed into a NATO military basis

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<v Speaker 8>across Europe as well as the improved US Army pershing

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<v Speaker 8>two missiles.

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<v Speaker 1>Over in London. Some poor gru bastard is listening closely

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<v Speaker 1>to able Archer communications prepared to spreads across Kensington Gardens

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<v Speaker 1>to the Russian embassy and deliver messages to Soviet military intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>And then within able Archer Blue comes up with their

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<v Speaker 1>next move. They're going to hit Orange with a nuclear strike.

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<v Speaker 10>And now they do something that nature had never done

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<v Speaker 10>before in this regular exercise. They change the codes that

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<v Speaker 10>they're using.

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<v Speaker 4>Diable Archer Able Archer Blue is requesting use of twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five nuclear missiles for use on Orange targets. Please look

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<v Speaker 4>for presidential approval.

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<v Speaker 1>The Soviet guy listening must have been like, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say exercise, exercise, exercise. They didn't say it. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say exercise.

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<v Speaker 10>And suddenly this change of code now is the final straw.

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<v Speaker 10>The fact they're changing the codes, which they hadn't done before,

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<v Speaker 10>clearly signified to the Soviets that this wasn't just a wargame,

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<v Speaker 10>wasn't just an exercise, but this was a real preparation

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<v Speaker 10>for the launch of nuclear weapons. And the KGB Center

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<v Speaker 10>hearing these reports of NATO mobilizing to prepare to defend itself,

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<v Speaker 10>starts sending out increasingly urgent messages to its residencies abroad

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<v Speaker 10>to tell its agents to look for imminent signs of

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<v Speaker 10>nuclear warfare. You must look for even the slightest hints

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<v Speaker 10>that missiles are being readied.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's check back in with Comrade Gordievski.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it was a flash telegram. It was an super

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<v Speaker 5>urgent telegram.

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<v Speaker 1>On November eighth or ninth, he can't remember which ole,

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<v Speaker 1>Gordievski received a flash telegram from the KGB center.

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<v Speaker 5>Saying the Americans so now in the middle of their exercise,

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<v Speaker 5>so be ready for everything and watch thorodly because they

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<v Speaker 5>know what may happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Next, the telegram claimed that American bases had been placed

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<v Speaker 1>on high alert. Now that was not true. American bases

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<v Speaker 1>were not on high alert. They had just tightened up

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<v Speaker 1>security in reaction to a recent bombing in Lebanon, but

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<v Speaker 1>the KGB does not know this. The telegram states that

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<v Speaker 1>one explanation for this high alert is that quote the

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<v Speaker 1>countdown to a nuclear first strike had begun under the

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<v Speaker 1>cover of able archer their allies.

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<v Speaker 5>It was more panic and he stated than Emma.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, President Reagan and the First Lady packed their bags

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<v Speaker 1>at the White House, preparing to leave DC for a

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<v Speaker 1>little trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Well in a few moments. As you know, Nancy and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be bored, Marine want to begin the first leg

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<v Speaker 3>of our trip to Japan and Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>Naturally, their cameras pointed at him, so of course he

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<v Speaker 1>can't leave without a little Soviet jab.

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<v Speaker 3>The Soviet shooting down of Kamla seven, their continued military

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<v Speaker 3>build up in Asia are grim reminders to us that

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<v Speaker 3>we live in a dangerous world. I will reaffirm America's

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<v Speaker 3>commitment to remain a reliable partner for peace and stability

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<v Speaker 3>in the region and in the world. And that's the

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<v Speaker 3>spirit of our trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Moments later, Reagan boarded the helicopter, his aid a few

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<v Speaker 1>paces by behind him, carrying the nuclear football and what's

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<v Speaker 1>in drop off supposed to make of all? This was

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan priming the public, reminding them how evil the Soviets are,

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<v Speaker 1>before he cracked open that briefcase and blew them all

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<v Speaker 1>to smithereens Now a little while later, over in Belgium,

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<v Speaker 1>the able Archer players receive a pretend message that the

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<v Speaker 1>pretend President has approved the use of pretend nuclear missiles

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<v Speaker 1>not real ones. Guys. I know you get it by now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to be perfectly clear, and to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviets don't get it. They're on the able archer

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<v Speaker 1>line and all they hear is able.

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<v Speaker 4>Archer, able archer use of nuclear weapons is approved, and.

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<v Speaker 10>It's around this time that the Soviets start mobilizing their

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<v Speaker 10>entire nuclear arsenal.

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet leaders had a fateful decision to make, and they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to make it fast. If NATO is in fact

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<v Speaker 1>launching nuclear weapons, the Soviets would need to launch their

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<v Speaker 1>own urgently. If they didn't, their missiles could be taken

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<v Speaker 1>out in the first wave of the American attack. But

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<v Speaker 1>if they hit the button and they're wrong, then they've

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<v Speaker 1>started a war and ended the world as we know it.

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<v Speaker 10>The whole crisis comes to a head really on the

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<v Speaker 10>evening of Wednesday, the ninth of November nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, in the middle of holiday celebrations across the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union, military officials received phone calls party time is over.

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<v Speaker 1>They were needed back at work urgently.

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<v Speaker 10>A lot of the Soviets who were mobilized in this

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<v Speaker 10>nuclear operation, they remember that twenty four hour shift that

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<v Speaker 10>they were on, very very clearly as being the most

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<v Speaker 10>anxious point of their career.

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<v Speaker 1>The Soviet military went on a state of nuclear alert

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<v Speaker 1>unlike anything before. And this this is not a rehearsal,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, this was real.

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<v Speaker 10>Thousands of warheads were mobilized and prepared to launch nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 10>That is, ascent to their battle stations. Each of these

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<v Speaker 10>ICBMs has well the average was about six warheads, each

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<v Speaker 10>war head with something like forty times the destructive capability

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<v Speaker 10>of a Hiroshima bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>Commanders who manned the Soviet's nuclear missiles were told to

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<v Speaker 1>stand by and await launch instructions that could be coming

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<v Speaker 1>any time in the next few hours.

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<v Speaker 10>The Soviet leadership stayed up anxiously waiting for signs that

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<v Speaker 10>the Americans had in fact launched an attack and prepared

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<v Speaker 10>to retaliate in a full scale nuclear assault upon Western

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<v Speaker 10>Europe and North America. And they sent out a message

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<v Speaker 10>effectively saying, you know, are these guys about to attack us?

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<v Speaker 10>Are they about to launch nuclear weapons?

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<v Speaker 11>The courier at first brought me the message.

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<v Speaker 1>This is ryaner Rup again aka Agent Topaz. He's in

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<v Speaker 1>Brussels at his job in NATO, where he's working undercover

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<v Speaker 1>for the East German Stazi, a close partner of the KGB.

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<v Speaker 1>It's November ninth, nineteen eighty three when he receives an

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<v Speaker 1>urgent message from a Stazi.

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<v Speaker 11>Courier Hilers, the Russians are really scared. Day one and

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<v Speaker 11>away everything any NATO is preparing for war and son.

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<v Speaker 10>As far as Rainer grew Up is concerned, it's just

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<v Speaker 10>another day in the office. There's absolutely nothing going on. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 10>we're not preparing any sort of assault at all. It's

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<v Speaker 10>just another regular day at work.

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<v Speaker 1>That NATO headquarters, Yiner Rupp is instructed to respond urgently.

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<v Speaker 1>He reaches into his pocket and takes out his spy calculator.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pouring rain. Reiner runs to the designated phone booth.

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<v Speaker 1>He's out of breath, He's paranoid. He looks over his shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>Has he been followed? He puts two francs in the

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<v Speaker 1>coin slot and dials the number. An elderly woman answers

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<v Speaker 1>the phone.

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<v Speaker 8>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Reiner says the code phrase, hello Grandma, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>come visit you this weekend. There's a pause and then

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<v Speaker 1>a click. Now he knows quote unquote, grandmother is recording

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<v Speaker 1>the call. He raises the calculator to the receiver, presses

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<v Speaker 1>a button and it makes a noise. Yeah. Encoded in

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<v Speaker 1>the crackle is his urgent message. NATO is not preparing

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<v Speaker 1>an attack. There are no plans for a secret surprise attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Stand down. He hangs up the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>No be armed.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, I don't see anything of that happening in NATO.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Somewhere in East Germany, Stazi agents rushed to the

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<v Speaker 1>home of the elderly woman, retrieved the recording and decode

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<v Speaker 1>the bleepity, bluepity message that could save the entire world

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<v Speaker 1>as we know it. They'd send an urgent telegram back

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<v Speaker 1>to the KGB in Moscow. NATO is not preparing an attack,

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<v Speaker 1>and when the KGB receives this message, the panic will

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<v Speaker 1>all die down. Ryan or Rupp will have single handedly

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<v Speaker 1>ended the nuclear scare, popped the champagne. The world is saved, right,

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<v Speaker 1>of course not.

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<v Speaker 10>They might well have just been another form of deception.

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<v Speaker 10>And these supremely paranoid KGB officials are seeing Maskarovka everywhere.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, they're all out to get us. That Rynner

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<v Speaker 10>Up had been taken over and been told to send

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<v Speaker 10>this message.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it sounds paranoid, but at the same time, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you supposed to trust a spy?

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<v Speaker 11>Of course I was only one agent's and they had

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<v Speaker 11>their other views.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Ryner, we know you tried your best. The KGB

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't trust him. The one man who could solidly confirm

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<v Speaker 1>that NATO was not preparing an attack on the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>And even at this moment where it seems like things

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<v Speaker 1>could not get any worse, they do.

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<v Speaker 6>It was extraordinarily tense time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is John Perutz.

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<v Speaker 6>Lieutenant General Lennarprutz was my father and he was in

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<v Speaker 6>Germany while I was in high school when the events

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<v Speaker 6>of the Soviet War took place.

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<v Speaker 1>John's father, Lieutenant General Leonard Perutz, was a high ranking

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence officer for the US Air Force stationed in Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was during Exercise Able Archer when a memo

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<v Speaker 1>from the NSSA landed on Lyonard Perut's desk about some

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<v Speaker 1>concerning Soviet military movements.

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<v Speaker 6>The first thing, it's the first thing they noted were

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<v Speaker 6>some heightened activities by some Soviet aircraft across the border

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<v Speaker 6>in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>The memo said that as of nineteen hundred hours on November,

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>two Soviet fighter bomber planes in East Germany were on

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<v Speaker 1>high alert. By itself, it wasn't enough to be extremely alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>But then a few days later he got an update

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<v Speaker 1>and the picture got a lot scarier.

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<v Speaker 6>We found out that some Soviet Air Force unit got

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<v Speaker 6>approval to arm their aircraft without their jamming pods. Now,

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<v Speaker 6>the electronic jamming pods are pretty standard piece of equipment

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<v Speaker 6>on a military aircraft.

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<v Speaker 1>They're actually an essential piece of equipment on a military aircraft.

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<v Speaker 1>They can jam a radar, letting the flight go undetected

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<v Speaker 1>by enemy surveillance.

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<v Speaker 6>And there was speculation as to why would they be

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<v Speaker 6>allowed to get ready, to be on alert and get

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<v Speaker 6>ready to fly without that, And there were speculation that, well,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe they had a different payload.

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<v Speaker 1>Than they were used to. Let me do just some

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<v Speaker 1>military translating for you. The electronic jamming pods are heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>Linard Perots analysts told him the planes are experiencing weight issues.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to rebalance the aircraft because the weight distribution

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<v Speaker 1>is changing. It's our theory that they're taking off the

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<v Speaker 1>jamming pods because whatever they're loading onto those planes is

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<v Speaker 1>too heavy. And we think they're loading real nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 6>Interesting, anomalous.

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<v Speaker 1>Something you should know about Leonard Peruts. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>military man his whole life. Procedures, chain of command, I mean,

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>protocol was practically middle name. Actually it was Harry, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So when he got that

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>frightening report from his analysts, Lynyrd Perutz immediately called his

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<v Speaker 1>superior four star General Billy Minter.

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<v Speaker 6>And he had to report to him, Hey, sir, there's

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<v Speaker 6>some anomalies Soviet forces seemed if air forces have gone

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<v Speaker 6>on a heightened alert.

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<v Speaker 1>Heightened alert with bombs and tow General Billy Mintor asks

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<v Speaker 1>Peruts what he thinks.

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<v Speaker 6>They said, you know, Lenny, should we heighten our alert level?

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<v Speaker 1>Should we put our air force on alert? In that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>Leonard Perutz was completely unaware that his next move might

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 1>determine the fate of humanity. He had no clue that

0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>the Soviets had intercepted able archer radio communications in which

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<v Speaker 1>NATO ordered the pretend launch of twenty five nuclear weapons

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<v Speaker 1>upon Soviet targets, and that the Soviet leaders were awake

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<v Speaker 1>that night waiting for those missiles to appear on their

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<v Speaker 1>radar screens. All he saw was real Soviet bombs being

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<v Speaker 1>loaded onto real Soviet planes, and he had a decision

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<v Speaker 1>to make Option one, put the air force on alert,

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<v Speaker 1>pass the intel up the chain of command. But what

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 1>would Reagan do with this information? Would he start a war?

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And what would the Soviets do if they saw us reacting?

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<v Speaker 1>Option two? Wait and watch, risk getting it wrong, risk

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 1>the fate of the world. If he waited while the

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Soviets launched nuclear bombs from their planes, the world would

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 1>be forever changed, possibly destroyed, and it would be all

0:40:32.960 --> 0:40:40.120
<v Speaker 1>his fault. All right, my nerves are totally fried. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's recap where we are in a fun way. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it in song.

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<v Speaker 12>With The Soviets were paranoid that any military exercises might

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<v Speaker 12>just be cover for an actual attack, and so they

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<v Speaker 12>had all of their.

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<v Speaker 1>Spies looking signs of an attack. And basically we're swimming

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 1>in a stew of confirmation bias. And then NATO begins

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<v Speaker 1>Able Archer. It's a giant exercise and it fulfills all

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<v Speaker 1>the soviets worst nightmares. They loaded up all their planes

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<v Speaker 1>with bombs, and all the leaders retreated to the bunkers,

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<v Speaker 1>and now their fingers are hovering over the buttons, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna launch missiles at each other and start a

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<v Speaker 1>huge jugar war. And it's down to good old Leonard Peruts,

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<v Speaker 1>who has no idea what's actually going on, but has

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<v Speaker 1>to make a crazy decision next week. Oh no, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to wait until next week. Yep, sorry everybody. This

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<v Speaker 1>is how we did things before Netflix gave you bingeables.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week on SNAFU.

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<v Speaker 5>And General Pots makes a really critical decision at this time.

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<v Speaker 5>He's not making this decision based on any knowledge about

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening.

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<v Speaker 6>That decision made is attributed to out of misinformation. It's

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<v Speaker 6>even described as that of ignorance.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are two versions of this.

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<v Speaker 11>There's the version the CIA initially put out, and then

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<v Speaker 11>Ilfoya the State Department and got its version, and its

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<v Speaker 11>version is pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 6>Speak truth to power even when it hurts.

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