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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. Jerry is not here, but

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Speaker 1: who cares because we are at the Beautiful and More

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Speaker 1: Theater And get this Sydney, Australia. Wow, Holy cal pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Not not a bad start. Beat that hell lot of purse.

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Speaker 1: Well we gotta cut that part down, Jerry cut No.

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Speaker 1: They were very appreciative because they said people don't come here.

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Speaker 1: They literally said that. Yeah. So to start this show,

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Speaker 1: usually with the live show, we like to go back

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Speaker 1: in time because we like to treat the audience to

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Speaker 1: a free right in the way back machine trying which

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Speaker 1: unfortunately doesn't exist. It's imaginary. Be quiet, come on, I

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Speaker 1: just need you all to use your imaginations. Okay, like

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Speaker 1: put on your thinking caps or your imagination cap, some

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Speaker 1: sort of cap that will help you get into the

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Speaker 1: way back machine. Maybe close your eyes like this, get

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Speaker 1: the Lotus post. I don't care, but we're all on

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Speaker 1: the way back machine. Now we're going to ironically go

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Speaker 1: to We're gonna go to America. We came to Australia

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Speaker 1: to bring you back to America in eighteen seventies six.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we are right now. The funny thing is,

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Speaker 1: we don't even rehearse the stuff, can you can you tell? Alright,

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Speaker 1: So it's eighteen seventy six in America where we come from.

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Speaker 1: We're just eleven years removed from the Civil War, the

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Speaker 1: American Civil War. Uh. Let's see, Thomas Edison had just

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Speaker 1: given us the oh, I'm sorry, Alexander Graham Bell had

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Speaker 1: given us a telephone. Thomas Sayssen was still just a

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Speaker 1: big loser, and he couldn't get the lightbulb to light up.

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Speaker 1: It would still be three years away from that. Jesse

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Speaker 1: James is robbing banks. This is old timey America basically, right.

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Speaker 1: And the whole reason we're in because we want to

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Speaker 1: point out just how terribly horribly people ate back then.

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Speaker 1: I mean they well you'll see. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: an example for breakfast. If you were sitting down for

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Speaker 1: a normal breakfast, Um, somebody would bring out a whole

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Speaker 1: live pig and butcher in front of you, salt it,

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Speaker 1: and make you eat the whole thing in one sitting.

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Speaker 1: That was just the first quarter too far out. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The potatoes would be um fried in the congealed fat

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Speaker 1: They were, well, i'll give you this breakfast. Okay, hasn't

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Speaker 1: changed all that much. All right, there eggs, that kind

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Speaker 1: single day. There was no breakfast on the go. It

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Speaker 1: was heavy breakfast every morning. Granted they were all farming

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Speaker 1: Even if you lived actually out in the sticks, you

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Speaker 1: but number one, you're eating gruel and mush, which it's terrible.

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Speaker 1: And then secondly, it took you hours to prepare this

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Speaker 1: gruel and mush. So either you were eating really really

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Speaker 1: we don't even get into lunch, but it's probably more

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Speaker 1: very fancy sort of celebratory dinner that was planned out

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Speaker 1: First course, a raw oysters, a choice of two soups

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Speaker 1: first course. The next course saddle of lamb, which I

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Speaker 1: Then you have a zorbet and you're like, okay, well

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Speaker 1: that's the end of the meal. No. No, that is

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Speaker 1: Adventist Church, and Seventh Day Advantism grew out of something

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Speaker 1: So he had some followers and he said, yea, brothers,

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Speaker 1: easier for you to get into heaven. It's one thing

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Speaker 1: we haven't told you about Seventh day Aventists. What they

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Speaker 1: believe is that there's a finite number of slots in heaven. Basically,

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Speaker 1: it's like a zero sum game getting in. If you

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Speaker 1: And she's like, yea, even all of the no pickled food.

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Speaker 1: And they said, what does this have to do with God? Again?

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Speaker 1: Uh hates pickles, That's what I heard. Ladies. You should

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Speaker 1: should not wear tight dresses. Someone just went wo wigs

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Speaker 1: It's not fun. Yeah. So, and I don't think we

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Speaker 1: mentioned this whole four bottel movements a day thing that

424
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Speaker 1: he had he went to Africa on a safari. This

425
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Speaker 1: is the level of science this guy was operating at.

426
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: He went to African safari and saw guerrillas whooping four

427
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Speaker 1: times a day, and he literally said, well, they seem

428
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Speaker 1: happy we came from them. I don't. Actually, he probably

429
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Speaker 1: didn't believe that at all, but we all know now

430
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Speaker 1: that we did. And he said, so that's what we

431
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Speaker 1: should all shoot for as humans, is for a day.

432
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Speaker 1: And if you need a little help and the kneeding

433
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Speaker 1: machine isn't doing it, and the light isn't boiling it

434
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Speaker 1: out of you, then just have a seat on the

435
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Speaker 1: calonic machine and hook yourself up to the spigot. Yes,

436
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Speaker 1: turn on the water and see what happens. Water moves

437
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: things along great. Uh. If not. It was followed by

438
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: a yogurt treatment. You would eat half of the yogurt

439
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Speaker 1: and the other half. Seriously, he would shoot yogurt up

440
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Speaker 1: people's butts. I never did that. I have I have

441
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Speaker 1: principles and rules. Draw lines places daw. I drew a

442
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Speaker 1: line right through the yogurt. He had a little the

443
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Speaker 1: little fruit on the side though that let's call the

444
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Speaker 1: parfet machine, right so uh. He actually had a couple

445
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Speaker 1: of patents for this thing, for the clonic machine. The

446
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: first one, I don't know what that said, but we

447
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: looked up the improved patent because we were like, sure,

448
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: why not see what he got wrong? Uh? He said

449
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: for the improved version he wanted an irrigating apparatus particularly

450
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: adaptable for colonic irrigating, sure, but also susceptible for other

451
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: irrigation treatments. So I guess after the people got on

452
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: he was like, well, we could water the lawn while

453
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: we're at it. There's a fire in the kitchen. It's

454
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: just going to waste. You're in You're in the movie tonight,

455
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Speaker 1: Did I get you? I didn't realize it was such

456
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Speaker 1: a classy city. And and also the the improved patent

457
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Speaker 1: called for one where you could actually measure the amount

458
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Speaker 1: of liquid entering and exiting the body, So before that

459
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: it was just a wild ride. And one of them,

460
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: one of these colonic machines, had multiple spigots on it,

461
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: which meant you could fit more than one person on

462
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Speaker 1: it a time. And I gotta tell you, having done

463
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: calonics before, you do not want anyone anywhere near you

464
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: are in the same room. Even you do not want

465
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Speaker 1: to look over while you're getting a chlonic at somebody

466
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Speaker 1: else getting a chlonic because you don't want to connect

467
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Speaker 1: with another human being like that. Yeah. No, so it

468
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Speaker 1: must have been some Melton John. It sounds like fun.

469
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Speaker 1: So um. I don't know about you guys, but uh,

470
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Speaker 1: I think this is going pretty well so far, so good, okay,

471
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Speaker 1: good good good. Well, then we have bad news because

472
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: that means we have to take a message break, but

473
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: we also have good news because we're not reading an ad.

474
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Speaker 1: We have something very special. Yep. We have a fellow,

475
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: a local guy named Alex Sfton who you might recognize

476
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: in a second, who's going to come on out and

477
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Speaker 1: help us and we will be right back right after

478
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Speaker 1: these messages my out in podcast land. It's time for

479
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Speaker 1: your fabe shorty. Stop we the chalk shoe chals stop

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Speaker 1: you sh no, thank you Alex? Yes, wow, oh man,

481
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: that does not happen everywhere everybody. Uh and we're back.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah man, that was amazing. He was one of the

483
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Speaker 1: one of the early jingle writers that sent one in.

484
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Speaker 1: He was number seven and he wrote us and said, uh,

485
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Speaker 1: I live in Sydney and how about if I come

486
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Speaker 1: up on stage and do that in front of people,

487
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: and we said, that's a great idea, one of the greatest, wonderful. Wow,

488
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: I really classed this show up, like eight chokes, poop

489
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: and wanking everyone. Let's get back to it. So, so

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Speaker 1: one of the things about John Harvey Kellogg is, yes

491
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: he had some weird contraptions, and yes he um he

492
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: did weird stuff with yogurt, but there was some things

493
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: where he was actually pretty ahead of his time. Like

494
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: we said, what we think of as health like was

495
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: cutting edge and was brought to America and the world

496
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: by guys like this, and in particular mostly by John

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Speaker 1: Harvey Kellogg. Um. One of his earliest books was called

498
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Speaker 1: Tobacco is Um, and in it he writes about how

499
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: tobacco is really bad for you. And this is at

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00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: a time when people didn't think that way. No doctors

501
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: would literally smoke while they treated right, They'd be like,

502
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: I have good news, you're pregnant, so I'm gonna need

503
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: you to move to camel lights during yeah, during the term.

504
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: Let me look at your chart, right, you have lung cancer.

505
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. I do too, everyone

506
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: does the sittle of lamp. It was a crazy time

507
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: when people just thought it was normal to do that.

508
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: But he was the anti tobacco train way way early.

509
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: He was one of the first doctors, especially in the

510
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: United States, two champion probiotics, and obviously with the yogurt

511
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: acidophilus um eating the yogurt that is, and gut flora,

512
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: and people just didn't know about this stuff. People doctors

513
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: at the time tried to treat disease, not prevent disease.

514
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: It was just accepted that. They didn't call it healthy eating.

515
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: They just called it eating and dying. That was the progression.

516
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: You get to your fifties, maybe your sixties, and you

517
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: get diabetes or heart disease or stroke and you just

518
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: keel over dead. And John Harvey really, to his credit,

519
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, I think if we take

520
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: care of our bodies, you could live longer. And they

521
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: said who are you, which confroned him. He also he

522
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: was actually so when you went to the Battle Creek Sanitarium,

523
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: one of the things they had was food, and he

524
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: actually came up with a substantial amount of food. He's

525
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: one of three people listed as an inventor of peanut butter,

526
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: which I mean you can like die with that one

527
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: and be pretty happy. Um. He invented a lot of

528
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: nut based meat substitutes, which today it's like, how many

529
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: can you find to those at the grocery store? A

530
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: lot like to furky, it's not nut based, but you

531
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. Um, what else did he come up? Oh,

532
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: I've got one. Remember how you weren't supposed to eat

533
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: or drink caffeine. He had a coffee substitute that was

534
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: made from toasted grains and molasses with no caffeine. So

535
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: you wouldn't drink it. You would throw it in somebody's

536
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: face when they served it to you. But that's what

537
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: you would get for coffee in the mornings at the

538
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: sand So you're having a great show, thank you, So

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00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: are you? Guys? All right? This next section we're gonna

540
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: call sexy time. Oh no, it's really bad and awful.

541
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: It's actually the antithesis of yeah. And this this next

542
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: part is tough, everyone, but we all got to get

543
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: through it together. Hold hands with your neighbor if you want.

544
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: This is tough. But here goes again. Not for whanking

545
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: very much against it, wrote about it a lot. He

546
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: was obsessed with poop and masturbation. Wrote about it in

547
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: a book called Plain Facts for the Old and Young,

548
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: about half of which were facts maybe, and this is

549
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: one of the things he wrote about how to kick

550
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: the habit. So before Chuck reads is I want to

551
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: point this out. This is coming from one of the

552
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: most famous, most revered physicians in the world. Okay, bear

553
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: that in mind when you're listening to what he's about

554
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: to prescribe. A remedy which is almost always successful in

555
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: small boys is circumcision. The operations should be performed by

556
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: a surgeon without administering an anesthetic. That's the correct response.

557
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: You're right, they pass, they pass the test. You're all right, Sydney.

558
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: As the brief pain attending the operation will have a

559
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected

560
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: with the idea of punishment, as it may well be

561
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: in some cases, the soreness, which continues for several weeks

562
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: interrupts the practice. And this had not been previously become

563
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed.

564
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: So I fucking update this for a minute. If you

565
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: catch your son whyanking, I think, as you call it, um,

566
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: you would take your son to the doctor. To be

567
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: circumcised without anesthetic as punishment. That's why he just recommended

568
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: in that past. So it's all been kind of fun.

569
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: But this guy is a monster. Yeah, oh yeah, we

570
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: forgot to tell you. This is where it takes a

571
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: really dark turn. Another method of treatment consists in the

572
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: application of one or more silver sutures in such a

573
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: way as to prevent erection altogether. The foreskin is drawn

574
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: forward over the glands, and the needle to which the

575
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: wires attached has passed through from one side to the other.

576
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: After drawing the wire through, the ends are twisted together

577
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: and cut off close. It is now impossible for an

578
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: erection to occur. You held a book and the slight

579
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: irritation thus produce x as the most powerful means of

580
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: overcoming the disposition to resort to the practice. Monster. Yeah,

581
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: he was a monster, Okay, And I know he was

582
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: doing this in the back room. I disagree. We have

583
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: an ongoing dispute about this. I was wanking. I think

584
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: he never did. I honestly think he never ever ever

585
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: did in his entire life. I think he wanted to,

586
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: but I don't think he did. Um women didn't get

587
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: off the hook. He knew that they masturbated too, so

588
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: he had it no, no, no, get out of the

589
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: way back machine man, come to the future. It's okay

590
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: he uh if. And if you were on the fence

591
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: about John Harvey prepared to tip over? Um, he had

592
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: an easy solution for that. Just throw some carbolic acid

593
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: on the female genitalia or junk Isn't think about that

594
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: next time you eat corn flakes. We'll get to the ceial.

595
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: Trust me, that's coming. He had some other really stupid

596
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: ones to like tying your hands together. That's like the

597
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: three stooges remedy actually makes it a little easier to

598
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: be honest. He was away off face. I don't know

599
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 1: about you could still you could still get the job done.

600
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: What else, Oh, here's one. He built a sort of

601
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: an underwear contraption with a cage on the front that

602
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: went around your genitalia, and just in case you could

603
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: not be stopped, he built a literal prison around your genitalia.

604
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: So that means that, um that John Harvey Kellogg invented

605
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: the tanning bed apparently, peanut butter and the in the

606
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: box justin timber Lake rolling over in his grave in

607
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, he's alive for now, he's doing quite well.

608
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: He eats a saddle of lambid day, all right. So

609
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: that's a bit of the dark side of John Harvey. Uh,

610
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: it gets even darker because he was also a eugenicist, right,

611
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: You've heard us talk about this some on the show.

612
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: If you don't know what that is, it is sort

613
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: of this insane belief of racial purity to like the

614
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: nth degree, to where he thought like, not only white

615
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: is right, but you should, we should have a pedigree system.

616
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: And it was it was all tied into like eating

617
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: in health and stuff too. It was called he actually

618
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: had a version called authentics, and eugenicists made fun of

619
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: him behind his back. He was so out there. Yeah,

620
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: his whole thing was eugenics plus where you could actually

621
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: be even more racially pure if you were a vegetarian

622
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: or you suitured your foreskin, you know, for fun on

623
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Speaker 1: a Thursday. And like Chuck was saying, like even the

624
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: eugenicists were like this guy's oh was mine? You heard

625
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: what he thinks, which is really saying something coming from eugenicists,

626
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, his eugenic he never did it, but

627
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: he proposed the Eugenic Registry where he created a pedigree

628
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: of breeding between people like dogs, to where you could

629
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: you should only breed with certain types to make the

630
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: uber race like dogs, which I mean like if that

631
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: had ever taken whole, can imagine what Tinder would be

632
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: like the Lord. But apparently to John Harvey Kellogg, it

633
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: went white people, cocker spaniels. All right, now we're gonna

634
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: get to cereal finally, thank you, thank you. We all

635
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: got through it. You can still hold hands if you want.

636
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: That's nice. So uh, as far as the Battle Creek

637
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: Sanitarium goes, in the medicine part, John Harvey had an

638
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: iron grip on things. As it was coming out of

639
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: my mouth, Josh is like, he had an iron grip

640
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: on nothing. I tell you he didn't. He didn't. He

641
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: had had a stranglehold on the medicine. But he was

642
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: not a great businessman. He changed, you know, sanatorium to sanitarium,

643
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, what do you think of that?

644
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Check me out. Luckily for him he had a little

645
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: brother around, Remember young Will, He's still around. He was

646
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: actually a pretty good businessman and turns out a pretty

647
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: good marketer. And uh. When John Harvey was trying to

648
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: search for a breakfast health food which would later become

649
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: cereal as you will see. Uh, he hypothesized that you

650
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: know what, if we like get the digestion going before

651
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: you even eat it, that's even better for poop. Yeah,

652
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: the poop comes out that much easier. So so they started,

653
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: uh with double baked biscuits. They were basically these really

654
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: hard crackers that they double baked, so they were, you know,

655
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: already sort of digested. And I don't even think we

656
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: mentioned that he believed you should choose everything forty times

657
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: forty times? Can you manage chewing tofurky not? Could it

658
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: just be like ghosts choose after like you know, it's

659
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: like absorbed into my gums. So, as legend goes at

660
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: Battle Creek, a woman, an older lady, broke her dentures

661
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: on one of these double baked biscuits, and he was like,

662
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: this is not good because I don't want to get

663
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: sued by every old lady or young podcaster who breaks

664
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: his teeth. Did you get that one? I got implants?

665
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: All right, thanks appreciate that. Uh. And so they started

666
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: to grind them up into little little crumbs and breaks

667
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: up these little biscuits, and that was sort of their

668
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: first little version of what would become cereal. Right, that's

669
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: like the way Kellogg's tells it. The truer story is

670
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: that they said, we need a breakfast cereal that's, you know,

671
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: easy on the stomach. What what what does James Caleb

672
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Jackson doing at his sanitarium And they went and found

673
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: out that he was making a cereal called granula, And

674
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: granula was made from graham powder. It's these little baked,

675
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: little nuggets um that are not food. You had to

676
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: soak them overnight in milk or water, your choice to

677
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: be able to eat it the next morning. Right, not

678
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: good breakfast cereal. And they said, let's steal that recipe,

679
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: and they took James Caleb Jackson's granula and they called

680
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: their version of it granula, because again, John Harvey was

681
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: not a very good business fan. So James Keller Jackson

682
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: found out about this and sued them, and they were

683
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: forced to come up with a new recipe in a

684
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: new name, and they came up with granola because again

685
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: they had a real knack for switching a vowel out

686
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: here there. That's the old John Harvey Kellogg trick. And

687
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: they swapped out the graham flower for wheat flour, and

688
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: they made something you guys have never been cursed with.

689
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: We did our research, um, something called grape nuts. Has

690
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: anyone ever heard of grape nuts? They're like these little

691
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: tiny pebbles. Yeah, it's like, um, boy, as a kid,

692
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: if you ever made the mistake of thinking it tastes

693
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: anything like grapes, if you were wrong, or even nuts,

694
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you're right. It's like if you took

695
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: a rock and a hammer and broke it up into

696
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: the smallest things that you could and said box, go

697
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: have sex with a cardboard box, and then whatever that

698
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: produces is grape nuts. Cereal. It's disgusting. So that is

699
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: when it's still it's still like a popular cereals still

700
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: around today. Yeah, and old folks, Yes, every every kid

701
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: in America goes through this rite of passage where you know,

702
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: when you pour a big bowl of cereal, you're like, hell, yeah, honeycombs,

703
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: I love these things or um uh, what do you

704
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: call them, like choco pops or something like that. Very cereal,

705
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: So you pour like a big old bull. You do

706
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: not do that with grape nuts because they are denser

707
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: than a neutron star. But you don't know that as

708
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a kid, and you pour a big old bowl and

709
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: by the time like you realize you're horrible mistake. Your

710
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: mom's like you already put milk on that. You have

711
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: to finish that whole thing, finish all that grape nuts,

712
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: and you have to finish it. You never make that

713
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: mistake again. It's a it's a bad day when that happened,

714
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: they should call it large hadron collider cereal. But the

715
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: thing about grape nuts is grape nuts came out of

716
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: the Kellogg brothers stealing granula from Caleb Jackson. Grape nuts

717
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: is made by the C. W. Post Company, and c W.

718
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: Post was a patient at the Battle Creek Sanitarium and

719
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: he stole the recipe from grape nuts from the Kellogg brothers.

720
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: What a time to be alive. It really was just

721
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: steal everything. It doesn't matter, change a letter, it's fine,

722
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: all right. So they're experimenting. They still didn't have these

723
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: lovely little flakes that we know as corn flakes for

724
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: frosted flakes. They were experimenting with flavor. They were experimenting

725
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: with like gram flour with wheat flour. Uh. Finally they

726
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: tried corn and they thought they were onto something with corn.

727
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: And it depends on who you asked, but either John Harvey,

728
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Will his little brother, or his wife Ella. John Harvey's

729
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: wife found out that if you is that a subway,

730
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: I think it's an earthquake. Okay? Are we good? Is

731
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: this normal? Do you guys have earthquakes? Here? It's a

732
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: rat parade. Mit ain't as young as out in front.

733
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: They're all like doing their top path. It's very Jerry

734
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: leave that in, Yeah, Jerry leave that in? Where was I? Okay?

735
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: So either La Will or John Harvey realized that one

736
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: of the key things was to roll it out really

737
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: really flat. So they were getting there. They were double

738
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: baking it. They landed on corn. They were rolling it

739
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: out flat, but it still wasn't quite right. No, so, um,

740
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: John Harvey, there was something else we didn't mention. If

741
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: you couldn't poop and the calonic machine wasn't working, he

742
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: would just take out part of your colon and surgery.

743
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: That was another thing he could do. Right. It maybe

744
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: much too bitch in there, sir, Maybe maybe tossing a

745
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: silver suture for free while he was at it. While

746
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: you were under right, So he was called away to

747
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: surgery one day while he and Will were experimenting down

748
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: in the basement in the sanitarium, and Umi was notoriously frugal,

749
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: so rather than throw away the dough they've been working

750
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: on that hadn't worked, he just kind of set it

751
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: off to the side for later. And when he came back,

752
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: he found that something had happened, something called tempering, where

753
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: the dough gets just a little bit moldy, not like

754
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: you gross moldy, but kind of like this is delicious moldy, right,

755
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: like the air in the water just kind of spreads

756
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: evenly around it. And the upshot of all this is

757
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: that when you bake mold that's or baked dough that's

758
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: been tempered, it turns into perfect little flakes. So that's

759
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: how the flaked breakfast cereal was accidentally discovered in the

760
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Battle Creek Sanitarium by Will, who is too cheap to

761
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: throw away the dough. That's right. So John Harvey was thrilled,

762
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: Uh not because he wanted to become a cereal magnate.

763
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm a doctor, I want this for

764
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: my patients. Uh, now we can just easily pour this

765
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: breakfast cereal into a bowl, and for the first time

766
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: people can eat a very simple, nutritious what we think

767
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: is at least as a nutritious breakfast. And uh Will

768
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: was like, well, I don't know, big brother, he said

769
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: in his head because he dared not speak aloud. Right,

770
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: he said, the way I see it, and this is

771
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: all in his brain now, the way I see it,

772
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: you don't have to be ill to eat breakfast cereal.

773
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: I think healthy people might just like a special, little

774
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: simple breakfast that they can pour out of a bowl.

775
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: And he was sitting over there going like this, and

776
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: Jarvey said, John Harvey said, what are you doing over there?

777
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: You have nothing, big brother, nothing, pay no attention. Are

778
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: you thinking about wanking? No? On. So in the end, however,

779
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: the patent for flaked cereals and Process of preparing same

780
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: was issued on April fourteen to John Harvey Kellogg alone,

781
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: not his wife nor his brother, just to him. And

782
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: it did pretty well for a little while. It did. Um.

783
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: They sold something like a hundred and eighty thousand cases

784
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: in in um. No, I'm sorry. They sold the stuff

785
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: for about ten years UM, and they sold enough that

786
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: they were making their money back. They were selling it

787
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: outside of the sanitarium, but not much, not much. Will

788
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: figured out that they would probably sell a lot more

789
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: of the cereal if it didn't taste like so he said,

790
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: I've got an idea. It's a radical idea, but I

791
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: think this might just work. Let's add a little bit

792
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: of salt and sugar to this cereal recipe. And John

793
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: Harvey might get out demon salt and sugar are as

794
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: bad as olives, and uh, he'd had a change of

795
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: heart about alives by this time, and Will said, no, no,

796
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: I really I think this is a good idea. And

797
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: if you stop and think about it, everyone's head like

798
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: Kellogg's corn flicks, right, how much sugar do you have

799
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: to put on those things to make them taste decent?

800
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: Imagine what they must have tasted like before. What we're

801
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: all eating is the improved taste version, right, because I

802
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: can't imagine how bland they were before? And just cry,

803
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: eating these things so still better than grape nuts, nuts

804
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: of the worst? Uh, Captain crunch, peanut butter? Do you

805
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: have that here? Captain crunch? Oh? What you've had? It?

806
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: Isn't it the best? It's the best sugary cereal. When

807
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: my wife goes out of town. That's my vice. Like

808
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: some guys are like, I don't know. I don't know

809
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: what guys do when women go out of town their wives.

810
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: I get cereals, like she'll never know when she comes back,

811
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: she's like, do I smell breakfast cereal? How could you

812
00:50:51,280 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 1: let me smell your spoon? It sounded dirty for some reason? Oh?

813
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: Where are we? So, Jerry, Jerry, Okay, I know where

814
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So John Harvey goes out of town. He

815
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: goes to Europe to do some lecturing and back then.

816
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: I guess it takes like a month to go to Europe,

817
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: in a month to come back, and a couple of

818
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: months to go on tour and do his lecturing. He's

819
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: gone for he was gone long enough for a little

820
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: brother to build a manufacturing plant. Will was like, I

821
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't notice the mass production plant that I

822
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: built while he was gone, with big vats of sugar

823
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: and salt. And John Harvey came back and he was

824
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: really piste off, and he said, you're gonna pay for

825
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: this out of your own pocket, out of your allowance

826
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: that I gave you, out of your chief allowance that

827
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: I give you, and Will was done. He was like,

828
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm tired of you, big brother. I've been

829
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: working for you and getting abused for all these years.

830
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: He said, Uh, everyone listening, please note I just made

831
00:51:55,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: a friends reference. Do you have friends here? Sure? They

832
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: called it mates man, which apparently made either means like

833
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: I love you or you're about to get your ass kicked.

834
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: I had thus this whole time, have been like, all right,

835
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: are you howking? Are we fighting? Just hugging, Just hug

836
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: that's it. That's our motto, just hugging. Wank So the sanitarium.

837
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: Will had had enough. The sanitarium actually burned down in

838
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: n two from a from an accidental uh furnace gone wrong,

839
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: and Will was like, all right, I'll help you rebuild

840
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: this because we've all kind of put everything into it.

841
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: And then after that, I'm really gone, trust me. He

842
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: was genuinely spineless. Yes, he was, brother, I'm out of

843
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: here after I help you rebuild the fifteen story sanitarium.

844
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 1: But John Harvey actually refused to get on that sugar train.

845
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: He sold the sweetened version to his brother. He actually

846
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: bought the patent from his brother of the decent tasting

847
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: version and on February nine six at the age of

848
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: forty six years old. I'm a little older than that,

849
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: even he was a late bloomer. Yeah, yeah, when we

850
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: get it. Will Kellogg founded the Battle Creek Toasted corn

851
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: Flake Company and became a very, very very rich man.

852
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: So at this point, John Harvey and Will Kellogg have

853
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: now gone their separate ways for basically the first time

854
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: in their lives. And we're going to take a message

855
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: break again right here. So Alex, if you will come

856
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: out one more time, Alex Sexton, everybody, we will be

857
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: right back right after this messages. He st off with

858
00:53:52,680 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: jos trae ah oh together now everyone of you. Nice sport.

859
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: Thank you, Alex w wow. Uh and we're back everybody,

860
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: thank you. Kind of it's like we've practiced this or something.

861
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: You guys are good. So um Will struck out on

862
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: his own with the recipe that he bought from his brother,

863
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: and uh. Now he started selling a hundred and eighty

864
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: thousand cases of corn flakes in the first year, first

865
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: year after he separated from his brother, less than the

866
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: first year, because they separated in February, So in less

867
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: than a year he sold a hundred and eighty thousand cases,

868
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: and there's like four or five boxes to a case

869
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: of corn flakes because they okay, there's like six or

870
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: seven boxes to a case. Because he put a little

871
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: salt and a little sugar, and it started to take

872
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: the world by storm. But he realized he was never

873
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: going to um make it a national product unless he

874
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: took New York, because you know, if you could make

875
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: it there, you could make it anywhere. So he started

876
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: something it's pretty good and ever, thank you, I just

877
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: came up with that. I like that. That should be

878
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: a T shirt. It should be we should totally license

879
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: it and get our suit off for it. Uh So

880
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: he um he started an advertising campaign and he threw

881
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: me off. He started an advertising campaign specifically for New

882
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: York called Wink Wednesday, which was pretty risque actually, especially

883
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: for will Kellogg, but also for nineteen o six. It

884
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: was basically he might as well have been asking women

885
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: to show a little ankle, because he advertised in all

886
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: the New York papers on Wednesday, when you go shopping, ladies,

887
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: wink at your grocer, and your grocer will give you

888
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: a free box of corn flakes. And you know, obviously

889
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: people would do anything for free corn flakes, including winking

890
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: at a strange man not winking. No, no, that was

891
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: it was a different egg camp. But it was a

892
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: big deal to give away a free box of cereals.

893
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't There were no You didn't have

894
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: to enter stuff as your code or anything like that.

895
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: Just a wink and you get your your free cereal.

896
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: So it was a big deal. Another few dominoes started

897
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: to fall to help this thing really explode. In the

898
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: nineteen tens, pasteurization of milk finally happened, so it was

899
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: no longer dangerous to eat cereal. I guess what else

900
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: did they come up with? Oh like kids like cutting

901
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: out box tops and mailing them in for sort of

902
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: creddy prizes. That was a big marketing thing in Battle Creek, Michigan.

903
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: If you grow up, even like at our age in

904
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and eighties in America, you knew like

905
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: Battle Creek, Michigan was an address where they would send

906
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: you things. If you sent in cereal, I want a

907
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: crappy whistle. It's gonna break after three blows. But I

908
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: got basically because they sent in a box top. That

909
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: was the whole thing. Uh. They started expanding into new

910
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: markets in nineteen fourteen, went to Canada. Uh. They started

911
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: brand flakes in the nineteen fifteens and sixteens. They finally

912
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties built a plant right here in Sydney, Australia,

913
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: right and uh oh, what else? They they invented the

914
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: little uh those awesome little single serving boxes that are

915
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: still one of my favorite things because they're like small things.

916
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: I think the little single serving a cereal box that

917
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: you can actually open up and eat out of. It's

918
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: like the pinnacle of human technology. It's pretty good. I

919
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: love it. Large Hadron collider mini box that you can

920
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: eat out of cereal. Who knew the large Hadron collider

921
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: was going to make two appearances I have in a

922
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: nineteenth century Kellogg's episode. Uh oh. And the other thing

923
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: Will did was very revolutionary. During the Great Depression when

924
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: people were I mean a lot of people are going

925
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: out of business, businesses were not doing well, or they

926
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: would just really kind of go down to bare bones,

927
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: he doubled down on advertising because he thought, I've actually

928
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: got a pretty cheap, easy to eat food and he

929
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: made money during the Great Depression. It was remarkable. He

930
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: was extraordinarily successful. He founded the W. K. Kellogg Foundation.

931
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: He endowed it with fifty million dollars is back in

932
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: like the nineteen tents, just a tremendous amount of money.

933
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: Now it's worth like nine billion today. Um so he

934
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: was extraordinarily wealthy. And all of this happened the moment

935
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: he stepped doubt from his brother's shadow. And his brother

936
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: didn't like that one bit. So John Harvey said, well,

937
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't care at all about um cereal myself, but

938
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: I really don't like my little brother being successful. So

939
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my own cereal. I'm going to make

940
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: corn flakes and I think i'll call them Kellogg's corn flakes.

941
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: Now he said corn flakes with an M, and people

942
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: like corn flakes or corn flakes, and he was like, yeah,

943
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: you tell me right. So he made these things and

944
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: Will was like, well, big brother, I'll see you in

945
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: court and he sued John Harvey, and John Harvey said,

946
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well I'm suing you back because that's the

947
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: American way. And they went to court with them dueling lawsuits.

948
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: And what was that issue was who had the right

949
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: to use the Killogg name. I mean, what was really

950
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: a hurt was ego. Let's be honest. They were both

951
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: named Kellogg. That's part of it. But also John Harvey

952
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: was like, I'm the famous John Harvey Kellogg. I'm the

953
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz of my day. And it was like who

954
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: is that? He's like, just wait, you'll see it's a

955
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: sensible reference. Do you know who doctor Oz is? Okay,

956
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: r Australia. I was like, wait a minute, did they

957
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: get that Dr Australia. I'd go to that guy right.

958
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: So so on the other hand, Will was like, well,

959
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute. Yes, my brother is

960
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: the most famous doctor in all the land, but I

961
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: have built this Kellogg's brand over the last you know,

962
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: couple of decades and I've actually eclipsed his fame. So

963
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: there's there was like, like you said, a lot of

964
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: ego at shirt here the family name, but also which

965
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: was the more famous Kellogg? And it turns out that

966
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: the court said lose. He wasn't a good guy either,

967
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: by the way. He didn't Yeah, he didn't silver suiture things.

968
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: But yet he was very he was a very unhappy,

969
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm fulfilled man. He would uh spend a lot of

970
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: evenings at home kind of longingly looking at the cage

971
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: that his brother had built around his genitalia and just think,

972
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: why why did I let him talk me into that?

973
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: And does anyone have any wirecutters? I don't know about that.

974
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: So after these lawsuits, they rarely ever spoke again. And

975
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: was I mean, really really sad. If you've ever had

976
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: a good brother or a good sibling, you know how

977
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: wonderful that is. They were not tight at all. They

978
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: didn't speak. Uh. If they ever did, Will would make

979
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: sure he had a witness there just to hear the conversation. Uh.

980
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: You know, things are really bad when you have like

981
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: a stenographer in the room at Thanksgiving. Uh. So today

982
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: most nutritionist agree and obesity experts agree that they actually

983
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: had it kind of wrong as far as corn flakes scale. Yeah, so,

984
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole reason they made corn flakes in

985
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: the first place was to aid in digestion, because everybody

986
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: showed up like, oh, I feel so terrible, and they

987
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: would feed them corn flakes or brand flakes or whatever.

988
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: But in doing this and pre digesting the food for

989
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: the patient by baking it a couple of times, um,

990
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: they actually stripped away a lot of the actual healthy

991
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: stuff from the grain. Right, if you just strip away

992
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: the outside of corn or of weed or something like that,

993
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: that's the stuff that allows you to kind of um

994
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: slowly digest something and keeps your blood sugar from spiking.

995
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: So back then and today, if you ate something like

996
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: corn flakes or like any kind of breakfast cereal, your

997
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: blood sugar would spike and it would crash and you

998
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: would get ravenously hungry very early. Whereas if you ate

999
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: like whole grain like gruel or mush, it might have

1000
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: sucked and taken three hours to make, but you would

1001
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: stay full or longer. Um. So yeah, today breakfast cereals poisoned.

1002
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: I guess it's the message of all of this. Ironically,

1003
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: So the sanitarium and Battle Creek was driven out of

1004
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: business eventually for a few reasons. Um, the Great Depression

1005
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: was a big one. Um. You know, when there's a

1006
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: recession or a depression in the country, the first thing

1007
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: to go still today are these sort of luxury items.

1008
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: And so this hippie dippy like uber lux health spa

1009
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds of the nineteen twenties and thirties,

1010
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: it was not like celebrities even stopped going there. That's

1011
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: how bad it got during the depression. Like even Amelia

1012
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: Earhart stopped showing up after a while. Really is it

1013
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 1: is it too soon for an Amelia kick? Uh? Some

1014
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: people classed at that awful, awful, mean spirited joke. So yeah,

1015
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:58,959
Speaker 1: he had to lay offf workers. Uh. Will was getting

1016
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 1: rich and on Harvey was going broke, well not broke,

1017
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: but he was getting more poor. Eventually he would have

1018
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: to sell off the building itself to the US government.

1019
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: They converted it into a military hospital and Battle Creek

1020
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: though was somehow because of the cereal boom, became the

1021
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: home of breakfast cereal around the world. So there were

1022
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: one hundred different cereal company. I guess they thought that's

1023
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: the only place you could make it. Like, oh, I

1024
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: guess we gotta go to central Michigan to make serial. Sorry,

1025
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: we want to make cereal. We got to move there.

1026
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: But I mean still today it's still the serial capital

1027
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: of the world. And uh. In his twilight years, John

1028
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: Harvey became very very much eccentric, even more eccentric in

1029
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: his than his younger days. Yeah he um. He would

1030
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: have like two hour long meals a couple of times

1031
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: a day, end up putting on a lot of weight,

1032
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: and he was a vegetarian. Bear in mind, but during

1033
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: these meals he would have guests and he would say,

1034
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: excuse me, guests, I'll be right back, and you would

1035
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: pick up a pail on his way out, and he

1036
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: would come back with a pail filled with his own

1037
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: poop and he would say, gettle, gettle, whiff of this.

1038
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: He seriously, that's not a joke. He said that that

1039
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: his stools were as sweet as a nursing baby, well

1040
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: the nursing babies stools, I should say, or that they

1041
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: were no more offensive than warm biscuits. Which if that's true,

1042
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: that's actually kind of worth showing off at dinner. To

1043
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: tell you the truth, I might actually be like, seriously,

1044
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: smell it smells like warm biscuits. I've thrown a lot

1045
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: of dinner parties. But no one like that, not like that.

1046
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: So finally he approached death. And we have to point

1047
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: out these guys. I mean, they were cookie, but they

1048
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: lived into their late eighties and nineties at a time

1049
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: when people didn't generally live that long. So they were

1050
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: doing something right diet wise. And in three is John

1051
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: Harvey approached death in his late eighties, he started to

1052
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: feel a little bit bad about little brother Will after

1053
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: eight years of being a dick, and he wrote a

1054
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: letter of apology, and part of it said this, I

1055
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: earnestly desire brother, to make amends for any wrong or

1056
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: injustice of any sort I've done to you. I'm sure

1057
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: you were quite white in regards Sorry Jerry cut that

1058
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: part out. I realized I just said quite white, which

1059
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: he probably meant that too. You're like such a cocker spaniel. Brother.

1060
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: I realized you were quite white and right in regards

1061
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: to the food business. Your better balanced judgment has doubtless

1062
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: saved you from a vast number of mistakes of the

1063
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: sword I've made, and allowed you to achieve great success,

1064
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: for which generations will come to owe you gratitude. P S.

1065
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: What's it like to have sex? I bet it's great? Right.

1066
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: So he closed this letter and gave it to his secretary,

1067
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: and his secretary took it um and read it and

1068
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: decided not to mail it. Secretary found it just too

1069
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: demeaning to John Harvey and decided that this isn't going anywhere.

1070
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 1: But John Harvey didn't realize this, so he just sat

1071
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: around waiting to hear back from Will and then died.

1072
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: While you feel bad for this guy, did you forget

1073
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: the carbolic acid and the white supremacy? No, that means

1074
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: you have feelings that we live in the future. It's

1075
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: fun to judge people who are who lived in the past.

1076
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: So uh. Will eventually did get that letter though, five

1077
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: years after John Harvey's death, when Will was eighty eight, uh,

1078
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: and he was getting you know, on a their and age,

1079
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: he got that letter and finally, at the end of

1080
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: his long career, he realized that he had gotten his

1081
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: brother's approval. Um. Granted, he didn't get to, you know,

1082
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: say thank you or you're welcome back, but he got

1083
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: this letter. H. The W. K. Collogue Foundation that he

1084
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: started is now a nine billion dollar fund that guides

1085
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: the belief that children, all children have an equal opportunity

1086
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: to thrive. And they do really really good work here

1087
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: uh in the all over the world actually, but especially

1088
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: in the United States. It's a good good organ station.

1089
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: So um. Will Harvey died and like Chuck kind of

1090
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: alluded to earlier, he wasn't the greatest guy ever. He

1091
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: had that little brother bitterness that only a little brother

1092
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: can have when they have an older brother that they've

1093
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: never resolved their issues with. And so that means that

1094
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: he took it out on everybody else except for John Harvey.

1095
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: So he was kind of a overbearing father and husband.

1096
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: And when he died, his grandson and this is his grandson, right,

1097
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: like like grandkids are supposed to just love their grandparents unconditionally,

1098
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: not this one. Will's. Will's grandson wrote when he died

1099
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: at age, nobody really shut a tear. Most felt a

1100
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: great sense of relief, as if a heavy weight had

1101
01:08:52,920 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: been lifted from them family. Am I right, corn flakes? Yeah?

1102
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: But the grandson was like, but I really appreciate the

1103
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: ten billion dollar inheritance. Grandpa right, he can rott in hell,

1104
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: but I really like them on thank you, Grandpa? All right,

1105
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 1: bring us home. Brother. So if you go to Oak

1106
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: Hill Cemetery in Battle Creek, and a lot of people do, um,

1107
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: you've been on the tour before hiving to the cereal tour. Seriously,

1108
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: people go to Battle Creek to tour cereal factories. But

1109
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: when you're there, when you're there, some people you can.

1110
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: You can go to Oak Hill Cemetery and you can

1111
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: visit Will Kellogg's a massive burial plot. It's like made

1112
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: a blue slate, it's got black wrought iron fence around

1113
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,640
Speaker 1: it with the iconic Kellogg's k on that which that

1114
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: was his signature. By the way, then Kelloggs that you

1115
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: see is will signature UM. And it's a it's a

1116
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: pretty big tourist stop in Battle Creek because there's nothing

1117
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: to do in Battle Creek. But what most people don't

1118
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: realize is that years before Will Kellogg bought that burial plot,

1119
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 1: he and his brother had adjoining burial plots side by side,

1120
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: with little simple tombstones, just enough for names and dates

1121
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: of birth and dates of death. Um. It was weird

1122
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: for brothers to have adjoining plots. We have a joining plots,

1123
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: but we're friends, so it makes a little more sense.

1124
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 1: But when people are visiting Will Kellogg's um grave, what

1125
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: they don't realize is that just about ten spots away

1126
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: his original grave site that he had moved from because

1127
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: he hated his brother so much, His brother, John Harvey,

1128
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: is still buried there. And so when they're visiting Will's grave,

1129
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: just a few steps away, one of the most famous

1130
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: physicians who ever lived in America is buried there in

1131
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: a very simple little headstone. That's right. So even in death,

1132
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: little brother finally is giving his brother the finger, you know.

1133
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: And that's the story of the Kellogg's brothers. Everybody I said,

1134
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah he bob by ah Wee said all right.