Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Welcome back, everybody to Are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 1: Part two? This is Mark Decklin. Everybody, He's great. Let's
Speaker 1: go over our details. Now we're doing Anchors Away, which
Speaker 1: was a very big episode. It was it's episode the
Speaker 1: beginning of the fifth season. It's directed by Charles McDougall,
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite directors, written by Michael Patrick.
Speaker 1: And this is when we had Daniel sin Chada, who
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about, but he is so great and I
Speaker 1: think you this was like the beginning of his career.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, we were both just like young New York
Speaker 2: actors who were just like we were excited. We're like, yay,
Speaker 2: we get to be guest stars on this hit show.
Speaker 1: Nice yeah, nice? Nice. So we okay, do you watch
Speaker 1: the episode? Can you talk to me about Carrie?
Speaker 2: Oh Carrie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yea yeah, what do you mean can I talk
Speaker 2: to you about it?
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering as a straight guy, I love to
Speaker 1: have straight guys on the recap because I want to
Speaker 1: know your thoughts and feelings about like, for instance, Charlotte
Speaker 1: has this whole great love theory, right, that comes out
Speaker 1: in the coffee shop. It's you know, classic classic are
Speaker 1: show's writing like the you know, the big ideas come
Speaker 1: out and then Carrie eventually is going to go home
Speaker 1: and you know, write about them and wonder in her
Speaker 1: way that she does. But I'd love to hear men's
Speaker 1: point of view about the whole thing.
Speaker 2: So you're asking my point of view about is there
Speaker 2: one great love? No, I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 2: I suspect there are limited great loves me too in
Speaker 2: our life. Yes, I don't think the possibilities are infinite.
Speaker 1: Me me as well. Yes, agree totally.
Speaker 2: When you find that great love, you should cherish.
Speaker 1: It, but definitely, But I don't can't one, right, I
Speaker 1: do think there's sometimes people might find a great love
Speaker 1: and then not be able to like fully be.
Speaker 2: There because we're human. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 2: know I can look back I you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: ultimately I got married and had kids and I'm very
Speaker 2: happy and it's wonderful. But you know, I have girlfriends
Speaker 2: I can look back on and say she could have
Speaker 2: been like that could have gone somewhere, but you know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't ready, or maybe she wasn't ready. More often
Speaker 2: than not, it was probably me.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I have the same absolutely, but I
Speaker 1: also feel like there were times when everyone thought like,
Speaker 1: oh that person no, no, no, could have been that that
Speaker 1: was like the person you should have tried to be with. No,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like it also could be no.
Speaker 2: Oh, there are more nos than yesterday. Totally auditioning, right,
Speaker 2: there's way more nose than yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, definitely, you know.
Speaker 2: I look back and I'm not going to go into stories,
Speaker 2: but like, there were women I dated where I was
Speaker 2: like on paper.
Speaker 1: She was perfect, there was nothing wrong with her.
Speaker 2: On like if I got the idea of dating. Now, listen,
Speaker 2: I've been married for twenty years, so the idea of
Speaker 2: dating is horrific to me.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm single, and the idea of dating is
Speaker 1: also you.
Speaker 2: Know, but I get the notion of like this electronic dating,
Speaker 2: which I've never done, but the idea of like swiping
Speaker 2: and get seeing in advance. Oh we have this and
Speaker 2: this is cool.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. It's not accurate, but.
Speaker 2: On right, well, a lot of people lie. But also
Speaker 2: someone can be perfect on paper, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I mean, it is a crazy time, right,
Speaker 1: But what I love and this is the thing when
Speaker 1: I rewatch our show from this perspective of now, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about dating and relationships, like there is just
Speaker 1: endless It is endlessly fascinating. Like I mean, I love
Speaker 1: our show, and there's so many things I love about
Speaker 1: our show. The friendship's absolutely the voiceover, the you know who,
Speaker 1: the shoes, but the shoes, no, see the shoes.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I have to disagree because this is what happened in
Speaker 1: my mind. The fashion was always next level and that
Speaker 1: was on purpose, right, Like Pat was brought in by
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica because Sir Jessica didn't want it to be
Speaker 1: like regular TV fashion, which was not really fashion, right,
Speaker 1: And they did elevate to a really intense level. But
Speaker 1: what I remember happening probably somewhat around this time that
Speaker 1: we're watching, right, fifth season six season the end, it
Speaker 1: became louder in a way than the writing. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I thought that was wrong, right, Like you wouldn't care
Speaker 1: if we were just like walking across the screen saying
Speaker 1: uninteresting words. You wouldn't care about the shoes. We weren't
Speaker 1: there to sell shoes.
Speaker 2: But that is human nature, right, Things get molified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So one of the things people liked was, oh, look
Speaker 2: at the fashion. I would say, I hate to stereotype,
Speaker 2: but I would say women and gay men more than
Speaker 2: straight men. But there was but we all recognized that
Speaker 2: it was like a high fashion show, and I think
Speaker 2: there were people who did latch onto that, and.
Speaker 1: There were definitely oh it's not a debate, absolutely, what
Speaker 1: are you going to do? Absolutely? I think the thing
Speaker 1: that was hard for me was that there was a
Speaker 1: moment in time where it seemed like that was our
Speaker 1: purpose kind of right, and that was never our purpose.
Speaker 1: My god, Like we could have just done a photo
Speaker 1: shoot or something. I don't know, you do, known't what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It just seemed like like, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a misrepresentation of what we were about, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but aren't we always subject to that?
Speaker 1: I guess so in capitalism, yeah, you know, right, Like
Speaker 1: we live in capitalism, that's for sure. So it did
Speaker 1: like take on a really weird kind of other life. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of around this time for sure. It seemed like
Speaker 1: we were there for product placement. No, we were just
Speaker 1: wearing all the things that seemed like what Carrie would
Speaker 1: be wearing, and Charlotte everybody else obviously like no one
Speaker 1: Manolo never paid us. You don't what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Choe never paid us, but it seemed like they had,
Speaker 1: Like it got so loud, but then it seemed just weird.
Speaker 1: I remember just feeling like woul everyone stopped talking about
Speaker 1: the damn shoes, you know what I mean? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: would you care about the shoes if we weren't saying
Speaker 1: something interesting? I don't think so, you know it's you know,
Speaker 1: just the.
Speaker 2: Other day, yeah, because I remember there was a shot
Speaker 2: I think in this episode, and we had the shot
Speaker 2: a lot of like, you know, somebody's beautiful lubatons or
Speaker 2: whatever in a puddle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, And someone was just telling me the other day,
Speaker 2: you know why high heels were invented?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Because of puddles? Because of sewage in the streets. Wow,
Speaker 2: So the rich people sort of element.
Speaker 1: That is funny. I did not know that. That makes sense.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: See that kind of brings it all back in a
Speaker 1: historical setting. I like that very much. Okay, let's talk
Speaker 1: about Gary because this what's interesting to me is that
Speaker 1: this is one of those episodes where Big and Aiden
Speaker 1: are not there, right, and for.
Speaker 2: Me we talked about there but.
Speaker 1: Definitely but meaning they're not they're not like she's not
Speaker 1: with either of them. That's my point. And I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting to watch how many times because now that
Speaker 1: I'm rewatching, I didn't really remember this so much, right, Like,
Speaker 1: how many times she's single again? And they have to
Speaker 1: go back there and make it like interesting and connected
Speaker 1: in the way that women's lives, like like we're going
Speaker 1: through different things, we're going through different things, and then
Speaker 1: we're single again, and what do we do with that? Right?
Speaker 1: And I love when they do that. It's interesting because
Speaker 1: how has she grown? How is she not grown? Because
Speaker 1: obviously Carrie's not a perfect character. Thank God. I know
Speaker 1: there are people out there who hate her. My Instagram
Speaker 1: shows me every day, but I love her very much.
Speaker 2: Oh I hate an envy.
Speaker 1: It's hate an envy. Do feed the algorithm in?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes? Oh it's disgusting. Yes. As the dad of
Speaker 2: a daughter, I'm like, I hate it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to navigate for the children, for sure, but
Speaker 1: luckily most of our listeners are not children, so we're
Speaker 1: not going to worry about that. Exactly, But I mean
Speaker 1: it is really interesting the negative. And I think that's
Speaker 1: important to remember is that there's positive out there, but
Speaker 1: the algorithm isn't grabbing onto it.
Speaker 2: That's not clickbait.
Speaker 1: No, it's not clickbait, right, But we can create our
Speaker 1: own positive, right, like we live dystopia, absolutely absolutely, and
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing here. We we don't. We don't
Speaker 1: dig into the negative here. And are you a Charlotte
Speaker 1: because why why?
Speaker 2: Because there's enough of it. There's enough of that, you know,
Speaker 2: And it's not that we're Pollyanna, right, it's not. You're not.
Speaker 2: You're not naive. No, you know, the world can be shy.
Speaker 1: I do, but like why.
Speaker 2: Wallow in that?
Speaker 1: No? I don't want to wallow in it, and I'm
Speaker 1: not interested in that part I I I. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway, we're back to our show. Our show is interestingly,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like she carries out in the rain
Speaker 1: and she gets trapped with this guy, and I know
Speaker 1: she rambles about how if they were in a movie,
Speaker 1: they would fall in love and get married. So true, right,
Speaker 1: so true? And I think this is also what I
Speaker 1: think is interesting, is the show goes on. I can
Speaker 1: see Michael writing into it criticisms of our show, right,
Speaker 1: So like there were people at this point going like, well,
Speaker 1: that's not the real New York, right, Like you guys
Speaker 1: are you know, like sanitized, glamorized rendition. So he's kind
Speaker 1: of talking about that in a way. Carrie's talking about
Speaker 1: that because Carrie's a writer and she's always thinking about things.
Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense. She's going awareness exactly and like
Speaker 1: layers like it's very meta, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so we're in he shows and she's saying, if
Speaker 1: this were a movie, which people are claiming we're what
Speaker 1: we're like right, that we're fake, right ish whatever, glamorized.
Speaker 2: She could say, if this and the scene we would
Speaker 2: fall in love.
Speaker 1: Well that would be weird. But he comes as close
Speaker 1: as he can without breaking the fourth wall because at
Speaker 1: that point, you know, Michael had been one of the
Speaker 1: ones who really wanted to stop talking to the camera,
Speaker 1: which he has talked about, yeah, because because it breaks
Speaker 1: the fourth wall in a way that then distracts you
Speaker 1: from the actual stories. You know that he wanted you
Speaker 1: to be in the stories with us, right, And I
Speaker 1: think he's absolutely right and succeeded. So this is like,
Speaker 1: walks close to breaking that wall but doesn't. But I
Speaker 1: think it's just so great, right and then and then
Speaker 1: the guy of course is like, you're crazy, right, But
Speaker 1: it's also raining, but she's still her glamourself, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. She's running through the rain and doing
Speaker 1: all of her cute carry things, but it is raining.
Speaker 1: Like I love that, you know. I love how it looks.
Speaker 2: I love the it's a little dirty, which.
Speaker 1: Is totally New York, especially back then.
Speaker 2: Well, I always looked like like the first snowfall and
Speaker 2: Manhattan is the most magical thing and it's it's magic.
Speaker 1: It is, and by the next day it's horrible great exactly, yeah, yep, yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: so true, so true. And also it was probably really cold,
Speaker 1: though maybe it was hot, as you say, I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, I think I was just sweat.
Speaker 1: You were. You were in a situation which is very
Speaker 1: cool to think about, I mean, not cool to.
Speaker 2: Be in col I mean it's funny in retrospect, it's funny,
Speaker 2: but it was not funny.
Speaker 1: Okay. So then she's waiting for a taxi. I also
Speaker 1: love like the taxi. I feel like the taxi life
Speaker 1: gets like more so as time goes on, and then
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the sixth season, she's trying to
Speaker 1: get a cap, she can't get a cap, she gets
Speaker 1: a capt she gets stuck in traffic, and then she
Speaker 1: gets out and gets on the subway. I love all that,
Speaker 1: like putting the the New York in like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and also because we are so kind
Speaker 1: of beautifully dressed that but that is the way you
Speaker 1: can be beautifully dressed in New York. Things can still
Speaker 1: not go your way, absolutely, and you gotta you gotta change.
Speaker 2: To New Yorker. Is that you can deal with it.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're gonna figure out.
Speaker 2: And you wobble and then you course correct.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, which I love.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 1: I feel like I also think because the show is
Speaker 1: a success now, it's interesting as opposed to say, first season,
Speaker 1: second season right where we're just kind of like on
Speaker 1: our own, we don't really even know if people are
Speaker 1: going to watch. But now we've got the success. We've
Speaker 1: got the budget is bigger, we've got the costumes, people
Speaker 1: are lending us.
Speaker 2: Close, we got a rhythm, The show has a vibe.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely riff on most definitely, most definitely. But I
Speaker 1: love to see the development of its interesting and you
Speaker 1: can feel it to me, and I guess it's also
Speaker 1: relating to nine to eleven, right, and that the city
Speaker 1: and the world that we're living in is so different now.
Speaker 1: But when we come back, there's a depth. There's an interesting,
Speaker 1: for sure, twist on things.
Speaker 2: Which is why I love to your point about her
Speaker 2: being now single, and I love that at the end,
Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd call it a twist, but
Speaker 2: you know when she doesn't go home with Daniel Sinjada instead,
Speaker 2: like the city is.
Speaker 1: Her No, No, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful, and it's especially beautiful in the context of
Speaker 2: nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that would have never happened. I mean, we
Speaker 1: went home with everybody in this season one. It's like
Speaker 1: there is growth, you know what I mean. It's really
Speaker 1: interesting and it.
Speaker 2: Was a beautiful guy.
Speaker 1: Oh oh my god.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't she want to get him into bed? But
Speaker 2: it was a great choice to say.
Speaker 1: I love the city absolutely, I love it so much.
Speaker 1: And he's so good, Like he's beautiful and so good,
Speaker 1: Like it's super interesting. All right, now we come to missus,
Speaker 1: little Charlotte. I want to say one of the things
Speaker 1: that distracts me in this whole episode is that I
Speaker 1: had done this photo shoot and they had had decided
Speaker 1: to cut banks. I don't think I wanted bangs. I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone really. It was back when I used
Speaker 1: to kind of be easily pushed around or whatever.
Speaker 2: I know, you're such a victim in this episode.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, in a couple of different ways.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to grow them out, and it took
Speaker 1: forever and we're working right, and it was hard. So
Speaker 1: like my bangs are like shellaced to my head for
Speaker 1: most of this episode just to try to get them
Speaker 1: to behave in the humidity. I have got like so
Speaker 1: much hairspray on my head that I can barely move
Speaker 1: and I am very distracted by it. But that's okay.
Speaker 2: So because you know, kind of like my layers of
Speaker 2: fake makeup.
Speaker 1: Holy absolutely they made it work and look great. It's
Speaker 1: so true. So this begins with us at the coffee
Speaker 1: shop and Samantha really really wants to say pussy so
Speaker 1: badly and keeps saying it, and I'm very displeased because
Speaker 1: the baby Brady is there. This is a big change.
Speaker 1: We've got a baby in the family in the group
Speaker 1: and he's around and it's kind of fascinating. And I
Speaker 1: didn't have children obviously then, but like then I'm walking
Speaker 1: down the street with Anthony in like a horrible hat.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I wore this hat. In my head,
Speaker 1: there's so many things about this episode that I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is happening? What is happening? And Anthony's there looking
Speaker 1: so young, He's adorable and young Mario very young. And
Speaker 1: it's Fleet week. This is the Fleet Week is like
Speaker 1: infiltrating all the scenes, which is adorable and very much
Speaker 1: how it is New York, right.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's a very and I don't
Speaker 2: know if non New Yorkers get it.
Speaker 1: That's why it was so much fun that the whole episode,
Speaker 1: because it is real thing. Their sailors everywhere in their outfits.
Speaker 2: And let's add to the mix. After nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: no matter what side of the political eyle you were on,
Speaker 2: we were all feeling a little bit patriotic. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we're all feeling like, yes, those are our boys.
Speaker 1: Absolutely in harm's way.
Speaker 2: We were attacked.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, yes, yes, that's what It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: So that's also in there of like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: this weird sense of like we you know, like as women,
Speaker 2: you're like, we have to support our you know.
Speaker 1: Definitely that's why Charlotte exactly, Yes, totally, and I believe
Speaker 1: that's what everyone kept telling me at the time when
Speaker 1: I was nervous to your patriotic duty exactly, which I
Speaker 1: tried to do. So Anthony's telling me that Charlotte that
Speaker 1: she hasn't had sex in a while and she's got
Speaker 1: to get back out there or it's going to grow over,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, it's very classic mar
Speaker 1: I could get away with that. I know, Mario can
Speaker 1: pretty much get away with anything.
Speaker 2: Pretty much anything.
Speaker 1: Then we go to the party because Carrie and Samanth
Speaker 1: the kind of you know, are pushing me or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then I say that I'm going to have sex
Speaker 1: that night to put Tray behind me, which I guess
Speaker 1: we theoretically do. You know, it's not addressed, it's not right,
Speaker 1: which is weird for us.
Speaker 2: You know. I thought it was sweet, like, yeah, there
Speaker 2: was this sense of my character recognized that you were
Speaker 2: stepping out and trying something, and he was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll follow your lead, Like I mean he starts off obviously,
Speaker 2: he starts off like he starts off very very male
Speaker 2: and very like, you know, I want something, Yes, But
Speaker 2: I think there is a slight evolution in the scene
Speaker 2: where he's like, Okay, I'm I'm going to be a
Speaker 2: gentleman here. I'm going to let her take the lead.
Speaker 1: That's so nice.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's it's it's not answered whether
Speaker 2: we actually go home.
Speaker 1: I didn't think so either, which is kind of.
Speaker 2: Just make out a little bit, and which is really nice.
Speaker 1: It's really nice. There is like an innocence to the
Speaker 1: whole thing there.
Speaker 2: Really is, right even I mean truly even the whole
Speaker 2: Like when you say, oh, I can't do that, and
Speaker 2: I say, just show me one. It's it's in order
Speaker 2: that it's it's playful and.
Speaker 1: Right right right, thank god, thank god, thank god. I
Speaker 1: like it. I like it all right. Samanda is going
Speaker 1: through it in this episode because she's Samantha's I know.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because we have I cannot remember another
Speaker 1: time where she has been upset by a breakup like this,
Speaker 1: you know, And I mean, obviously the Richard relationship was
Speaker 1: a whole different relationship with her, but like seeing her
Speaker 1: like upset, and you know, she's talking about the things
Speaker 1: that she would normally be talking about it but with
Speaker 1: this undercurrent of upset, which is rare. She's flyers, I know,
Speaker 1: and I'd totally forgotten that. I was like, wait what
Speaker 1: she hands out these bright pink flyers that say liar
Speaker 1: and cheat her with Richard's picture in his neighborhood. And
Speaker 1: then the incredible Chandra Wilson shows up, which I'd also totally.
Speaker 2: Forgotten, right, I know, isn't that like it's crazy, so
Speaker 2: crazy because she took.
Speaker 1: Off and I remember watching the beginning of Gradson and
Speaker 1: being like, oh, she's so great, that's.
Speaker 2: So great, and that moment is it's just great. It's
Speaker 2: really change she makes when she's like, maam, you can't
Speaker 2: do that, and then Samantha tells her story story carry on.
Speaker 1: Man, I know, it's fantastic. It's so good and so
Speaker 1: funny and such a great thing about being able to
Speaker 1: be a show that's filming in New York finding great
Speaker 1: actors like yourselves. They might not be huge parts, but
Speaker 1: they're great, great moments, and they can help other people
Speaker 1: continue on in their careers, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And like a hundred create momentum and or heat if
Speaker 1: you'd like to call it the industry word. But I
Speaker 1: love to see it so much.
Speaker 2: No, and I'm always grateful for it. Like I said,
Speaker 2: like it's it's probably the smallest role that I get
Speaker 2: recognized for.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's great.
Speaker 1: Who cares, right, I mean, it just goes to show
Speaker 1: there are no small roles, only small actor.
Speaker 2: That's what they say.
Speaker 1: That's what they say. I know it's kind of a
Speaker 1: mean thing, but whatever. Okay, So then we go to
Speaker 1: this we go to this navy party or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what my notes say. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the way we describe it in the show.
Speaker 2: I mean, because the salor invite you guys, right right,
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 1: To the floor and at the once. So the other
Speaker 1: thing I remember about this when we're at the park
Speaker 1: where we're walking along after the coffee shop in Samantha Sorry,
Speaker 1: Miranda has her the baby shovel, right, yes, that we
Speaker 1: also filmed forever, And I don't know why I remember standing.
Speaker 1: I think it's Madison Square Park and we we filmed
Speaker 1: there a lot. I think it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: popular park to New Yorkers but not to other people.
Speaker 1: And we could get that permit a lot. And this
Speaker 1: is when I have the hair shall act, which I
Speaker 1: remember because it kept coming loose, like if I because
Speaker 1: I had you. We had to turn our head and
Speaker 1: see the sailors. We had to turn. She goes like,
Speaker 1: there's seamen, and Miranda's like a helping to turn around
Speaker 1: their sailors. That's pretty funny. I remember how hard that
Speaker 1: was to film because we had to be on this
Speaker 1: side and we had to be on the other side,
Speaker 1: like many mini angles of us standing, and we stood
Speaker 1: there forever. And I remember we had a group of
Speaker 1: paparazzi there, of course, and it was annoying because we
Speaker 1: were trying to focus and whatever and do our lines.
Speaker 1: And I remember this one who I'm not going to name,
Speaker 1: but he's like a it's like a big personality and
Speaker 1: like was with us every day at certain points, and
Speaker 1: we'd just be like, oh Lord, give us patience and
Speaker 1: sometimes right, and he would shout at us to like
Speaker 1: pose and whatnot between takes and you're just.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And you're also like, I'm just trying to do the scene,
Speaker 1: you know, right, and you know how we have our
Speaker 1: little mini sides. So sometimes Sir Jessica would take the
Speaker 1: mini sides and like hold them up, like if the
Speaker 1: pop parksy were over there, she'd block her face and
Speaker 1: that made him really mad. And I believe this particular
Speaker 1: day and we had like a group of people watching,
Speaker 1: but not a huge group, but like some people he
Speaker 1: started shouting her address to them, and remember being so
Speaker 1: deeply upsetting it.
Speaker 2: Well, now you've really crossed a line. It's like a
Speaker 2: safety line.
Speaker 1: It's a safety line, I know. And I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: she lives in New York, and yes people know where
Speaker 1: she lives, and that's already messed up. But like it's
Speaker 1: so hard and there's really nothing you can.
Speaker 2: Do, right and and if you react then you're giving.
Speaker 1: It's worse. Absolutely, So we're just sitting there, just inside, dying,
Speaker 1: and I just want to protect her. You know.
Speaker 2: York's funny that way, right, because New Yorkers in general
Speaker 2: try to be cool about it, right, Yes, so shooting
Speaker 2: here generally people are like, yeah, you're not you don't
Speaker 2: you don't impress me.
Speaker 1: But there's also a lot of a lot of tourists.
Speaker 2: Well that's just it. Yeah, I was doing a series
Speaker 2: with Jlo a few years back, and.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2: My kids love this story. So our trailers were unmarked,
Speaker 2: but that we were at a location in the Bronx.
Speaker 2: I think, and and I'll never forge. So there are
Speaker 2: a crowd of people gathered outside my trailer.
Speaker 1: Oh good, they thought you were hurt.
Speaker 2: Well they didn't know. Oh maybe I could.
Speaker 1: They were guessing.
Speaker 2: But I'll never forget the opening my door, and like
Speaker 2: a hundred people go, oh.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean this leads to why Jlo is Jlo?
Speaker 1: Like Jlo is ready for those people. Sure, like she's
Speaker 1: living her life like I am here for that family,
Speaker 1: which is impressive. I don't know how she does it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it prostitution.
Speaker 1: I don't think I could do it either.
Speaker 2: I can, but she is.
Speaker 1: She makes it work.
Speaker 2: She makes it work.
Speaker 1: My god, you know, I mean because you were in
Speaker 1: the Bronx. Isn't that where she's from?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, Like it must have been such a big deal
Speaker 1: to these.
Speaker 2: I saw a video. It's a little I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Don't tell it. Don't tell it. Don't tell it is mean.
Speaker 2: It's not mean, Okay, It's just all it is is
Speaker 2: like apparently she's back in her old neighborhood and she's
Speaker 2: sort of like expecting this guy to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're Jenny from the block, and he's like, who are you?
Speaker 1: I've never seen you before, right, I guess there's always that, right,
Speaker 1: like like on the one hand, there's the height of whatever,
Speaker 1: like people know and are excited, and then on the
Speaker 1: other hand, there's always someone who's going to just put
Speaker 1: you right back, which is and.
Speaker 2: The guy was probably mean. He literally is just being
Speaker 2: like a classic New Yorker like got it? Were you?
Speaker 1: Totally? Totally, totally all right, Let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about Miranda. Got a recap, Got a recap. She's a brunch,
Speaker 1: she's got the baby. She says something like just pretend
Speaker 1: this is a very heavy handbag, which is pretty funny,
Speaker 1: but no, it is actually a baby. And then we
Speaker 1: put her in a taxi to send her home, which
Speaker 1: is also kind of entertaining. It's just funny to see.
Speaker 1: I also feel like Michael is writing into the show
Speaker 1: with the girls and the friendship, what he is dealing
Speaker 1: with as a writer with now he's had her have
Speaker 1: a baby. What I'm saying, like, how are we gonna
Speaker 1: deal with it.
Speaker 2: And we know as parents like dynamic shift, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: your life obviously changes dramatically, and there is a divide
Speaker 2: those who have kids and those who don't have kids.
Speaker 1: No, it's hard, it's hard, and it's interesting to watch
Speaker 1: now that we have that perspective in life because obviously
Speaker 1: then we didn't, right, but Cynthia did. Cynthia had her
Speaker 1: first job already when we started. I remember just thinking like,
Speaker 1: how does she do it? She's like, it's fine, it's fine,
Speaker 1: because Cynthia is superhuman. No, she wasn't like it's just
Speaker 1: a handbag, but she was like, it's fine, it's fine, right,
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to see him writing into the show
Speaker 1: and the struggles that people actually really go through, and
Speaker 1: I love it. I obviously did not have the perspective
Speaker 1: I have now on it, so I'm rewatching with a
Speaker 1: different perspective, which is what people are always saying they do,
Speaker 1: which I love. But it's really interesting. She gets back
Speaker 1: to the apartment. Steve is there, but she's like, no,
Speaker 1: get out or whatever. It's so interesting because I can't
Speaker 1: remember how the relationship goes. I know what happens eventually,
Speaker 1: but it's super interesting to watch the choice.
Speaker 2: They're obviously in a rocky patch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love it. It's super good and I
Speaker 1: don't think I fully appreciated it at the time.
Speaker 2: And it's it's nice when he comes back later and
Speaker 2: with the belly button.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: It's a sweet moment.
Speaker 1: It really is, because Steve is really sweet. I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't really appreciate it at the time. I was like, oh, Steve,
Speaker 1: but he's really sweet and so different from her. They're
Speaker 1: super fascinating together. But yeah, the belly button situation, just
Speaker 1: as a mom, I'm like, oh my god, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've forgotten all of this. The cat, she's changing him
Speaker 1: and his belly button comes off and the cat runs away.
Speaker 1: My god. Mortifying, mortifying and so great and so real,
Speaker 1: so real, And I mean, these things are weird.
Speaker 2: Face it. The belly button thing is weird.
Speaker 1: It is weird, And why don't people tell you that
Speaker 1: this is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: And it's the most natural thing I.
Speaker 1: Know, but no one really wears you, right because they
Speaker 1: put like that clip on it at the hospital, which
Speaker 1: is also weird. And I remember my daughter when she
Speaker 1: came home from the hospital, she still had the clip on,
Speaker 1: and I was just so scared. But you're trying to
Speaker 1: change their drapers and get them clean, and you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I don't want to knock the belly
Speaker 1: button off. And of course I had been through this,
Speaker 1: which I guess I didn't really remember, but subconsciously I
Speaker 1: must have remembered. Oh, the animals could get it and
Speaker 1: they like it. Yeah, that's crazy even think about. So crazy.
Speaker 1: But poor Miranda's there trying to be a mom, kind
Speaker 1: of doesn't know what she's doing, which is also so relatable,
Speaker 1: even though she's so powerful in life. Right, Like, I
Speaker 1: love this. I'm obviously really rewatching it with whole new eyes, of.
Speaker 2: Course, especially not just as a mom, but as a
Speaker 2: single mom. Yeah, right, Like you really get it.
Speaker 1: I really get it. And I don't know how she
Speaker 1: did it, Miranda, don't know how you did it. For
Speaker 1: the I don't know how asian amount of time.
Speaker 2: My kids are born in La Yeah, and when we
Speaker 2: move back, we were like, we can't live in Manhattan,
Speaker 2: you know, we can't go from a house to an apartment.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I look at people raising kids in the city.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: My friends told me that I was wrong to do
Speaker 1: it in La, that it's easier in the city, But
Speaker 1: that's because Sarah juscin Cynthia are just superhumans. Because I
Speaker 1: was like, you guys are not normal. I can't go
Speaker 1: on what you're saying because you're super supernatural human beings
Speaker 1: who also grew up here, right right, So I mean
Speaker 1: sin her whole life. Sarah came a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but mostly grew up here. And I think that you
Speaker 1: just get used to it, and there's a certain like
Speaker 1: everything is here and available. But like for me, putting
Speaker 1: the baby in a car is a lot easier than
Speaker 1: getting down the stairs with that stroller. God, I'm covering
Speaker 1: the stroller with the rain Jesus.
Speaker 2: And not having that car to jump into right right.
Speaker 1: And I did live on the upper side for almost
Speaker 1: the whole most of the show actually, and the you know,
Speaker 1: the stroller brigade, like, they will run you down on
Speaker 1: the Upper West Side.
Speaker 2: Man, they'll stop traffic.
Speaker 1: They really will. They rule up there, no joke. But
Speaker 1: if you're single people up there, you're just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 2: They'll use it as a weapon.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's very intense, but I understand it all so
Speaker 1: much better now because it's hard right where they're like,
Speaker 1: we're going to do it, get out of our way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a a tank. Totally, totally, totally. I have a question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Mark Kristen, are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Am I a Charlotte? I wasn't. It's funny, it's it's
Speaker 2: the name of your podcast. I wasn't expecting it. No,
Speaker 2: I think I am.
Speaker 1: Okay, you don't have to be I'm not trying to people. Okay, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I think that I am. Okay.
Speaker 2: How so.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in love? It's number one Charlotte quality. Mmm. Oh.
Speaker 2: I want to say I'm balancing because I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: the other characters in this regard. But I want to
Speaker 2: say integrity, okay. I want to say a sense of
Speaker 2: a sense of right and wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: a desires to do the right thing right that's right,
Speaker 2: and not always succeeding, but that's the desire.
Speaker 1: Trying very hard to do the right thing, to do
Speaker 1: the right thing. That's so nice. That's a different take.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear people's perceptions all so of Charlotte.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, it's good writing obviously you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I love that. That's different
Speaker 1: and I like it. I like it very much. I mean, also,
Speaker 1: you're married, you have two kids. There are certain elements
Speaker 1: of Charlotte in there. Sure, yeah, you're sure dependable, you know.
Speaker 2: I think I am definitely dependable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is a good good quality to have, not
Speaker 1: a flashy quality, but really important in life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I love that about Charlotte too.
Speaker 2: She's got the good but she's it's interesting because I mean, obviously,
Speaker 2: I mean, she's there's no way to say this without
Speaker 2: complimenting you. She's beautiful, but she has a flash to her,
Speaker 2: but she's not. That's not her, that's not who she is.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, that's true. That's true. It's hard for
Speaker 1: me to be objective about that part of her, right.
Speaker 1: I mean. Instagram also shows me when we go to
Speaker 1: Atlantic City and I put on that crazy dress because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be something that I'm not or whatever
Speaker 1: shows me that a lot lately. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, wow, it's crazy all the different things
Speaker 1: they let me do, you know.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Mark, thanks for joining us.