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And then 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,319 Speaker 1: he has a revelation that we're all going to die 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: in a nuclear war. And there was a place in 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Redwood Valley that he claims is going to be protected 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: from a nuclear holocaust, and so he moves about one 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people from Indiana to northern California. And 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: in northern California at that time, things, you know, the 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: stars were kind of aligning for Jim Jones because you know, 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 1: this was a place in the in the late nineteen 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: sixties early nineteen seventies, you kind of had the hangover 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: after the high they moved down to San Francisco, and 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: of course San Francisco in the nineteen seventies, you had 27 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: the Seventies Liberation Army. You had, you know, kidnapping Patty Hurst, 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: assassinating Marcus Foster in Oakland. You had the Zodiac killings, 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: the Zebra killings, you know, shooting Art Agnos who later 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: becomes the mayor of San Francisco in the chest, the 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: New World Liberation Front putting a bomb on on Diane 32 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: Feinstein's window sill, her daughter's window sill. You had the 33 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: attempt at assassination by Sarah Jane Moore on the President 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: United States Yer old Ford in nineteen seventy five. So 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: there was a lot going on in San Francisco in 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: those years, and in that context, People's temple almost looks 37 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: mainstream to people in San Francisco, and you have people 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: flocking to them. And you know a lot of leaders 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: look leaders, press figures, celebrities of viewing the People's Temple 40 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: as doing something great. Tell us about Jim Jones, Daniel, 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: exactly who was he? Jim Jones? When he gave his 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: own autobiographical sketch, he said that he you know, he 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: went into the church. He said the thought was how 44 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: can I demonstrate my Marxism? And he said the thought 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: was to infiltrate the church. Now, he's not the best 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: authority on Jim Jones. He was a liar and often 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, made things up about himself. But I think 48 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: he tells the truth. There. From a very young age 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: he was interested in religion. I spoke to a kid 50 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: who knew well, a kid if almost ninety year old 51 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: guy now, who knew him when he was ten years old, 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: and he told me strange to ebo Jim Jones. They 53 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: went to a kind of a Pentecostal church in Indiana 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: and at the end of the service, the minister said, 55 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: if anyone hasn't been saved, please come on up. And 56 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: Jim Jones comes on up, gets saved. The next week 57 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: he does the same thing and Jim Jones comes on up. 58 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: Now you're only supposed to do this once, but Jim 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: Jones every week would come up to get saved. And 60 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: the theory from this old friend of Jim Zones is 61 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: that he really liked the attention. And from there Jim 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: Jones started preaching to friends. Someone caught him preaching to 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: a forest, you know, and he preaches essentially, and he 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: became quite good at that. And it was a bit 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: strange because he came from a family in the Bible 66 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: Belt that did not go to church, and that was 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: very unusual at the time. His father was a World 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: War One vet who was really disabled, more psychological than 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: anything else from the war. And his mother was this 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: domineering character, very strange woman. She changed her first name 71 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: three times. As an adult. She believed that she had 72 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: walked the earth as the rich and famous and passed lives. 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: She wore pants at a time that, you know, women 74 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: were wearing dresses and skirts and that kind of thing, 75 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: so people found her to be a very strange woman. 76 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: Wouldn't let Jim Jones in the house when she was 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: not home. When Jones would steal things. She would, you know, 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: almost reward the boy and not punish him for this. 79 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: So he had a very strange upbringing, was a bit 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: of an outcast, and he found that he could get 81 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: a lot of attention through the ministry. At the same time, 82 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: it's not clear that he ever believed in God. He 83 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: died at the age of forty seven, of course, and 84 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: Guiana had nine children. Kind of looked like a Hollywood actor, 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: didn't he. Well, certainly his jet black hair. It reminded 86 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: me of Elvis's hair. And he wore sunglasses. When he 87 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: got to California, he started wearing sunglasses, and he started 88 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: wearing sunglasses inside, which he even in the late sixties. 89 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: That was kind of a strange, strange behavior. It's the 90 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: kind of thing that rock stars would do. And Jim Jones, 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: in his own way, was a rock star in front 92 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: of his in front of his people's temple. But the 93 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: people that I spoke to in the temple, they kind 94 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: of figured out at a certain point that he was 95 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: wearing those sunglasses because he was doing a lot of drugs. 96 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: Hi interesting. What kind of magnetism did he have, Daniel 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: in order to be able to persuade people to follow 98 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: him the way he did well. He was a tremendously 99 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: charismatic man. And I'll tell you just one story that 100 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: just blew my mind. I interviewed a guy who defected 101 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: from the Temple in the mid seventies before Jonestown happens. 102 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: He hates Jim Jones. And this guy is a very 103 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: smart individual, very educated man, has an advanced degree from Stanford. 104 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 1: And I asked him, you know, at what point did 105 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: you realize that all of these faith heelings were fake? 106 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: Did you realize that Jim Jones was a flim flam man? 107 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: He said, what are you talking about? I said, well, 108 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: at what point did you realize that this was all 109 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of hocus pocus? That I don't understand your question? 110 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: I said, well, when did you realize the guy didn't 111 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: have these supernatural powers? He said, oh, no, Jim Jones 112 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: had powers. To this day, wow, forty years afterwards, he 113 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: believes that Jim Jones possessed supernatural powers. And he went 114 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: on to cite a whole bunch of instances in which 115 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: Jones these powers for good or for evil. And so 116 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: even if you don't believe that Jones had these powers, 117 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: it suggests that he had a power of some sort. Yeah, 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: the charisma psychological hold. To have a guy forty years 119 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: later who hates Jim Jones saying that no, Jim Jones 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: had his power. Well, he had some kind of power 121 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: obviously in a very bizarre way. Daniel, had he lived, 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: he probably would have been an advent listener of this show. 123 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: He sounds like he was into these things. Well, he 124 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: certainly was. He was. He was into reincarnation and esp 125 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: and you know, he presented himself as having supernatural powers, 126 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: and a lot of people believed that that wasn't the 127 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: only guy that I spoke to who believed that Jones 128 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: had powers, and he would in a very specific way. 129 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: The People's Temple would brag about the various uses of 130 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: his powers. In nineteen seventy two, for instance, they claimed 131 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: that he had, uh, you know, raised forty something corpses 132 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: from the dead, and they would have testimonials from various 133 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: people saying that he cured cancer from them. He claimed 134 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: to have cured cancer from Huey Newton's parents. So if 135 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: you look at the Jonestown dead, there's a huge percentage 136 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: of them that are older people. About a third of 137 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: them who died were elderly or senior citizens. A lot 138 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: of the attraction for a lot of these people to 139 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: the church was that they were getting old. They had 140 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: various ailments, and Jim Jones claimed that he could cure them, 141 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of them believed that he did cure them. 142 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: One woman I spoke to, her dad had a heart condition, 143 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: couldn't work, and Jim Jones laid hands on him in church. 144 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: He went to the doctor, the doctor said, your heart's healed. 145 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: They believed that he had healed this woman's father, and 146 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: so the whole family from that point forth, they're indebted 147 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: to him for that, and they stick with him. And 148 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: you can imagine how much of a hold that would 149 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: have on people. Oh my god. Yeah, So at what 150 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: point Daniel did he decide to move from California to 151 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: the Guiana. Well, in San Francisco, he had a very, 152 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: very eventful run. One of the things that people don't 153 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: realize about Jim Jones is that, you know, he held 154 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: positions of power in San Francisco. He was appointed to 155 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: the city's Housing Commission authority, and he very quickly became 156 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: the chairman of the Housing Committee Commission, effectively making him 157 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: the largest landlord in San Francisco, which is kind of 158 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: a scary thought when you think of how he treated 159 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: his tenants in Jonestown. So he was a beloved figure 160 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Willie Brown called him a combination of 161 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: Mahatma Gandhi and Martin. Luther King wrote failed Castro, saying 162 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: that Castro should have a should grant Jones a state 163 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: visit when he came to Cuba to meet with Huey Newton. Now, 164 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: Casher didn't do that, but Brown said that Jones was 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: a highly trusted brother in the struggle for liberation. And 166 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: even Roslyn Carter, the President's wife, when she came to 167 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: San Francisco, she had Jim Jones introduce her. When she's 168 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: campaigning for Jimmy Carter. He dines with Rosalind Carter. They 169 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: speak on the phone. We know this because Joanes surreptitiously 170 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: taped the conversation. They transcribed it, and Rosalind Carter referred 171 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: him to Ruth Carter Stapleton, who was the President's sister 172 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: who was involved in the ministry, and then they began 173 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: to converse. And so he was very much in with 174 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: the in crowd in San Francisco. What happens is at 175 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: a certain point, all of these stories just become too 176 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: big to ignore. There are people talking about being beaten 177 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: in the temple, being forced to sign over their homes, 178 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: being forced to give their money. Jim Jones, these fake 179 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: faith healings where he would pull you know, chicken gizzards 180 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: from people and claimed that they were cancer. All of 181 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: this kind of caught up to him. So the very 182 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: thing that made him had attracted people to him, these 183 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: faith healings threatened to unmake him, and he was facing 184 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: some legal issues. Mainly he had kidnapped a boy from 185 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: two of his followers who had defected. He brought that 186 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: boy down to Guyana, and shortly thereafter about a thousand 187 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: people from San Francisco fall him to Jonestown. So, up 188 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: until this point, Jonestown for a lot of people that 189 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: I talked to, they found it to be a very 190 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: pleasant place. But once Jones get gets down there, it 191 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: becomes a very dark, unpleasant place. Not so much a 192 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: commune as it is a concentration campus. Was he in 193 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: your opinion, Daniel insane? I think he was on drugs, 194 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: and I think he was someone who was off the charts, narcissistic. 195 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: He didn't view human beings as actual human beings but 196 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: sort of as pawns. And the movie that he was 197 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: starring in and he treated people like that. Now, whether 198 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: that's insanity or a personality disorder, I'm not a psychiatrist 199 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: or anything like that, so I couldn't answer that certainly. 200 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: You know, in his preaching he claimed to be God. 201 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: He claimed that socialism was God, and that he was 202 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: the person who represented socialism on earth, so that made 203 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: him God. And for some of the people in People's Temple, 204 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: some of mainly the white people who kind of were 205 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: attracted to his preachings against the Vietnam War or for 206 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,239 Speaker 1: civil rights or for various political things, they were attracted 207 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: to that message. The message that a lot of the 208 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: older folks were attracted to was sort of the faith deelings. 209 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: And I think the majority of people came to People's 210 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Temple because of these faith dealings. But once they were in, 211 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: he sort of went on these sort of long Fidel 212 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: Castro like harangues talking politics, and it became very much 213 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: kind of a political pressure group more than it was 214 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: at church. And the nine hundred that he brought to Guiana. 215 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: Were there more who decided they didn't want to kill 216 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: themselves or was that the number? Well, it was pretty 217 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: close to everyone who was there. So on November eighteenth, 218 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, Jones decides to unleash what he calls 219 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: revolutionary suicide. And what provokes this is a visit from 220 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: Congressman Lee O'Ryan and Leo Ryan comes down there because 221 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: he's concerned about the treatment of people and also because 222 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: of this kidnapped little boy. And when Ryan leaves, Jones 223 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: sends out his security force, people called the Red Brigade, 224 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: and they assassinate the Congressman. They kill three journalists, and 225 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: they kill one of the defectors, and at that point 226 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: they unleash what's called revolutionary suicide inside of Jonestown. The 227 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: amazing thing about that is that there's only four people 228 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: who really escaped. There were about fifteen people who leave 229 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: with the congressman. There were about twelve eleven people who 230 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: earlier that day just got out under the guise of 231 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: going to a picnic, but they were really escaping. But 232 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: once the killing starts, there's only there's four African Americans 233 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: who either evade getting killed or escape. There's five people 234 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: he lets go. There's three members that he you know, 235 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: million or so dollars too, and tells them to give 236 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: it to the Soviet Union. They leave. His two lawyers, 237 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: Mark Lane and Charles Gary, he allows to leave. But 238 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: other than that, everyone dies. Is this Mark Lane who 239 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: became the great author. This is the same Mark Lane 240 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: he became Jim Jones's lawyer at the very end. And 241 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: Charles Gary, who was Angela Davis and Hughey Newton's lawyer. 242 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: He became Jones's lawyer. And Lane and Gary they escaped 243 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: through the jungle and they hate each other and they 244 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: sort of walk through the jungle rather humorous story. Gary 245 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: has this big suitcase and Lane saying get rid of 246 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: the suitcase, get rid of the suitcase, and Gary won't, 247 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: won't do it. And finally he finds out what's in 248 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: the suitcase. It's a hair dryer. He needed to walk 249 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: through the jungle with his big, overloaded hair dryer. But 250 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: that's it. You know, you have four people, nine hundred 251 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: and nine people die and four people escape. 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