1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Second hour of Clay and Buck begins right now. I 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,159 Speaker 1: got a lot to discuss with all of you. For example, 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: the Trump situation here. We are expecting that there will 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: be another indictment next week. That's what reports are saying, 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: that the Atlanta election twenty twenty indictment for a conspiracy 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: to defraud or something the people of the state of 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Georgia that will come from Fanny Willis the District Attorney 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: next week. That is the belief right now. There's also 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: been some interesting back and forth already with Judge Eileen 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Cannon in Florida, who has already picked up on something 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: that we've been talking about here, which is that the 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: way that Jack Smith is running this thing with an 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: out of state Special Council grand jury going on, but 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: also bringing in DC, but also doing this in Florida, 15 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 1: it looks like he's playing games and trying to stack 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: the deck unfairly against the defendant Donald J. Trump, which 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: is clearly the case. So Judge Kennon already showing a willingness, 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: a willingness I think, to stand up to the machinery 19 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: of get Trump in all of this. Clay and I 20 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: have both felt all along and I think continue to 21 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: feel that in Florida he's getting much more fair process. 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: The decision to charge, of course, was made by the 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: special counsel, so we know that's not fair. But the judge, 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: the venue, the likely jury pool in Florida is something 25 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: approximating a fair ish trial. In DC, we are already 26 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: seeing it is quite the opposite, Clay, I'm sure you 27 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: saw this one. Judge Tanya chuck Kinden has rejected President 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Trump's attempt to delay hearing until next week, beyond the deadline. 29 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: She had said it in order, and this was because 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Jack Smith, on this past Friday night, in response to 31 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: a truth social post that Trump had if you go 32 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: after me, I'm coming after you, file the protective order, 33 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: arguing that Trump is going to have a chilling effect 34 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: on witnesses if he continues to be able to use 35 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: truth social. So they're looking to put gag orders on 36 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: Trump during this I mean that's already in process. Let's 37 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: weigh in on this and then we'll get to the 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: big store of the New York Times is running here 39 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: about the J six prosecution or the election fake elector's prosecution. 40 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: But first, what do you think about how the judges 41 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: are acting so far because I'm the second I see 42 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: Judge Chutkin speeding through process, I think, yep, they're not 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: going to let this thing get delayed till after the election. 44 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 1: The left the Democrats in no way. 45 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: So I think it's important to note a couple of 46 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: things the chart. In my opinion, the charges in South 47 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: Florida are more significantly easy to prove against Trump, but 48 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: he has a fairer judge and a fairer jury. 49 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: The charges in Washington, d C. 50 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: Related to January sixth, So we're just going to break 51 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: down in greater detail and associated with this New York 52 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: Times story in a moment, they are much less significant 53 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: in my opinion. But you have a jury that will 54 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: convict a Democrat Republican for anything, a Democrat jury, and 55 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: you have a left wing judge who is going to 56 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: agree with Jack Smith on almost everything. Now, I want 57 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: everybody to understand what's going on here, because this isn't 58 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: about Trump's truth social post. What Jack Smith is trying 59 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: to do is get this DC judge to impose some 60 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: form of gag order on Trump, and if he violates 61 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: it and he is in contempt of court, he's going 62 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: to try to put him in prison. So I want 63 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: everybody out there to understand that this is not a 64 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: battle over Oh Trump said something, and I'm really concerned 65 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: because Trump said something on truth social This is Jack 66 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: Smith laying out a plan to get this judge to 67 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: agree that Trump needs to have a protective order put 68 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: in place associated with what he can and cannot say 69 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: surrounding this trial, so that if he violates it, Jack 70 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: Smith can file emotion and get Trump accused of contempt 71 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: of court and get him potentially put in prison before 72 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: the trial even starts. So I hope, I hope that 73 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: Trump's legal team is understanding what is what traps are 74 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: being set here. 75 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: We've talked about the Rubicon crossing, you know, the back 76 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: and forth. The back and forth. One area where I 77 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: think this has been very apparent when they brought the 78 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: initial charge in New York and the district attorney there 79 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: with no one even talks about that anymore. The failing 80 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: to do the paperwork for the election disclosure. I mean, 81 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing is idiotic, but they brought it. But 82 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: I remember saying at the time, I said, look, if 83 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: they do this once, it makes it seem a lot 84 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: easier to bring more charges, right. It yes, primes the 85 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: audience in this case the American people. It prepares them 86 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: for this. And I do think if they can get 87 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: Trump put in a cell for a day, yep, they'll 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: do it, because then it becomes not only the optics 89 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: the visuals of that, but it then turns into well, 90 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: I mean, hey, we did this. You know, secret He'll 91 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: he'll be in protective custody and Secret Service will have 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: some form of jurisdiction in the protective I don't know however, 93 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. They're gonna try to find a 94 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: way to do it. But you're seeing very different process 95 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: in Florida and New York. Let's get to them in DC, 96 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: well and New York. So many trials. Now we have this, 97 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: the previously secret memo laid out strategy for Trump to 98 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: overturn Biden's win. This is the big New York Times piece. 99 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: They're saying that a lawyer allied with President Trump laid 100 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: out a plot to use false electors in a previously 101 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: unknown internal memo. Now this from the New York Times. 102 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: It's Maggie Haberman and team. Maggie Haberman, who I think 103 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: got more one on one interviews with Trump than like 104 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: almost anybody else in the corporate media when Trump was president. 105 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman and a couple others, Uh, Clay, they they 106 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: say this is smoking gun, that Trump was a part 107 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: of a conspiracy of fraud. You know this is game over? 108 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: You say, not so fast, Lawyer Clay putting the hat 109 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: on for the defense team here. Tell tell me how 110 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: this isn't smoking gun, because that's what I want to hear. Okay, 111 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: eight hundred and two A two two eight A two. 112 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: If you are a lawyer and you ever read this 113 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: New York Times case and you're about to hear my analysis, 114 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: feel free to call in and tell me what I'm missing, 115 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: because I do think buck for Trump's attorneys, and sometimes 116 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: they I think they sometimes listen to the show while 117 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: listen to clips. It's not just a legal fight. You're 118 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of a political campaign. Trump really needs 119 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: a lawyer who is both a politician themselves and also 120 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: a lawyer who can adroitly defend him. So let me 121 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: explain what I read the New York Times smoking gun 122 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: piece this morning, flying from New York to Cleveland for 123 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: this event here, and I actually thought it was incredibly 124 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: exculpatory for Trump, and let me explain why they are 125 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: citing this hereto for unseen memo which makes a legal 126 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: argument for why there is a legal way for Trump 127 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: to avoid the Biden electors coming forward and him being 128 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: sworn in as the next president. 129 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: I have never heard and again, if there's a lawyer 130 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: out there who can give me an example of this, 131 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: I would love to hear it. I have never heard 132 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: of a lawyer drafting a memo that was used as 133 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: evidence of a crime being committed, a conspiracy, because in theory, 134 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: the dumbest thing you could do if you thought you 135 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: were really committing a crime is to write out the 136 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: roadmap of what your crime is in a legal memo. 137 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: You write legal memos, and this is taking a lot 138 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: of you into the practice of law. You write a 139 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: legal memo to advise a client on a potential legal path, 140 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: and oftentimes there are multiple legal memos that may be 141 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: drafted because there are multiple different arguments that you could make. 142 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: Here is synthesizing what I think is the essence of 143 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: this that makes this not a crime. I'm talking about 144 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: January sixth related charges, the conspiracy filed by Jack Smith. 145 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 2: Trump had attorneys who believed that Mike Pence, as vice president, 146 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: could reject the electors from states where he believed fraud 147 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 2: had occurred, and that if Pence rejected those electors, that 148 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: it would then be sent back to the state legislature, 149 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: and the state legislatores would then say, we have a 150 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: disputed election. We are picking a new slate of electors, 151 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: and we are sending them to represent the state of 152 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: let's say Georgia, and instead of Biden electors, we're sending 153 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: Trump electors because we believe fraud happened, and as the 154 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: state legislature, we believe we have the authority to select 155 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: who represents this state. We have a Republican majority in 156 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: the state legislature. We're sending them back to York, back 157 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: to d C. Then Trump would have won the election 158 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: based on the way that that played out. Now, that was, 159 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: as the memo says, an argument legally that was likely 160 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: to be rejected by the Supreme Court. But merely because 161 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court rejects a legal argument doesn't make it 162 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: a conspiracy. Buck Biden thought tried to take away four 163 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars in student loan debt. They shot it 164 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: down the Supreme Court did. Was Biden's attempt to do 165 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: away with student loan debt a conspiracy? Biden tried to 166 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: do an extension of the eviction moratorium something Buck that 167 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: he said, Biden himself said his own advisors were telling 168 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: him he didn't have the constitutional authority to do. Was 169 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: that a conspiracy? So that's the legal theory based on 170 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 2: the memo. But Buck, here's here's what I think clears Trump. 171 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: And again, if you are out there and you are 172 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: a constitutional scholar, I know we have some listening. Tell 173 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: me what I'm missing. In December of twenty two, Buck, 174 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: they went Congress did and they changed the law to 175 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: make it clear that Mike Pence didn't have the ability 176 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: to do what Trump's lawyers were arguing he should do. 177 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 2: If they had to change the law, doesn't that mean 178 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: that there was clearly an ambiguity, because if there wasn't, 179 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: they would have never needed to change the law. 180 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Look, if I'm in that jury stand, I think that 181 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Clay has he will he would have convinced me before 182 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: he spoke, because I also think that this isn't criminal. 183 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: But I think that's very compelling. Here's the problem. This 184 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: is in DC the judge doesn't care. Yeah, the jury 185 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,359 Speaker 1: is going to want to destroy him. There are superseding 186 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: indictments I believe coming, Yeah, and part of that is 187 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: going to be turning some of the lawyers against Trump. 188 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: I think that has to be the next Why are 189 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: all these lawyers named in this indictment and some are 190 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: rather alluded to right as like co conspirator number one 191 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: or whatever. They're gonna flip them. And then it's going 192 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: to be even if he wins legally, let's just say 193 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: he wins legally, and I think the only way that 194 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: happens is a Supreme Court. There's gonna be a Supreme 195 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: Court component to this, right, They're gonna step in and say, 196 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: hold on, this is crazy. 197 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: Supreme Court's going to strike down the Jack Smith prosecution. 198 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: N one hundred percent believe it. 199 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: This is what I mean. But even if that happens, 200 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Democrats are banking on Trump's lawyers will turn on him. 201 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: This will create a public record of the court that 202 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: will look politically bad. Not for this audience, not for 203 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: Trump voters. They're not going to care, but just enough 204 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: for independent voters in swing states to say, ooh, I 205 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: don't like this. So the o case, they can win 206 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: politically even if they lose legally. And they think they're 207 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: going to win legally, but we'll see a lawyer's out 208 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: there that I know. I sound like a nerd walking 209 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: through exactly my argument here. I hope if you're not 210 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: a lawyer you can understand it. But the crux of 211 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: it is. 212 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: This, if they have to change a law to make 213 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: it clear that what Trump wanted Mike Pince to do, 214 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: he's not able to do, that to me is evidence 215 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: that the legal argument was not crazy, because otherwise, why 216 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: do you need to change the law. Right If I 217 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: said to you, hey, it's legal for you to go 218 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: murder someone on October thirty first, You'll be like, why 219 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: can't I kill somebody on Halloween? It's like the Purge? 220 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: And you just said, man, Clay, you're crazy for making 221 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: this legal argument. And then in your state they went 222 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: and they passed a new law and they said, hey, 223 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: by the way, specifically, you can't kill anybody on October 224 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: thirty first, we're amending and altering the prior law. You'd 225 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: be like, man, maybe Clay Travis had found a loophole. 226 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: Why did they need to change this when you changed 227 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: the law. You are acknowledging that there was potentially an 228 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: ambiguity or a flaw in the law, which is why 229 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: I think when this eventually reaches the Supreme Court, they're 230 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 2: going to toss it. But again, there's brilliant lawyers out there. 231 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: I guarantee you listening. What am I missing? I would 232 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: love to hear. Part of the. 233 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Problem is lawyers making the argument were kind of like, 234 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: this argument is garbage. That's again that's going to hurt 235 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: them again, but politically it will hurt Legally, maybe it 236 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but buck Joe. 237 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: Biden's own lawyers again this has told him you don't 238 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: have the authority to end the eviction moratorium, and he's 239 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: still did it. 240 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: So this is not uncommon. 241 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: Lawyers regularly tell the president, hey, you don't have the 242 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: authority to do it, and then the president bows up 243 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 2: and says, I'm the president. I'll do it anyway. We'll 244 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: see what the Supreme Court says. So this is not uncommon. 245 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 2: Presidents regularly get told by their advisors, hey, you don't 246 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: have the authority to do this. I'm sure there were 247 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: people in the White House telling Biden held Nancy Pelosi, 248 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: did you can't cancel student loan debt with a stroke 249 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: of a pen. 250 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: I again, I agree with you. I guess I'm kind 251 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: of doing Devil's advocate here. But it's a little bit 252 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: like if you have a remember how Wesley Snipes tried 253 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: to defend himself on the tax fraud. You remember this, 254 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: he said, my accounts told me that this was that 255 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I could do this, basically that I had a loophole 256 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: to not pay taxes. You know, what happened to Wesley 257 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: Snipes federal prison didn't matter because they said you should 258 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: have known. So what happened to his accountants was that true? 259 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm actually fascinated. Did they prosecute the accountants this? 260 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: I do know this, And this is a whole other 261 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: thing with that, the defense because pret Burara, who was 262 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: going after all these hedge fund guys, the defense of 263 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: I just did what my expert, my paid expert, told 264 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: me to do. And then the expert is I was 265 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: just giving advice. I didn't actually do the thing. Whether 266 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: it's insider trading, accounting, you know, whatever that prosecutors don't 267 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: necessarily look kindly on that, depending on the anyway. I'm 268 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: just saying that's probably an approach they may try to 269 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: take here, but the Supreme Court probably saves the day. 270 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: Trump wins the election, America goes forward into peace, prosperity, 271 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: and happiness. I am hopeful, everybody. I am hopeful we'll 272 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: get more into this. Let's let it up with some 273 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: lawyers here. Support US funded resources. Phoenix Capital Group invites 274 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: you to invest in the heart of America with our 275 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: domestic energy corporate bonds. 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You know, Buck, 291 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: what we need to do, I think is get lawyers 292 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: who are way smart. You and I were talking off 293 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: the air. We need to get lawyers who are way 294 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: smarter than me. I would I would say I'm a 295 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: smart lawyer there, trust me, way smarter lawyer. Some of 296 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: you are listening to me right now, and you're way 297 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: smarter lawyers than I am. But I would like to 298 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: be able to make my case to Bill Barr, Ted Cruz, 299 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 2: Mike Lee, some guys that I know are super smart 300 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: when it comes to the law, Like I would be 301 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: very comfortable with those guys sitting on the Supreme Court 302 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: and have them tell me, Okay, here's what you're missing 303 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: or here's what you need to know. 304 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: Let me pull. I think Bill Barr addressed this last 305 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: week on one of the maybe it was the CBS 306 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: Sunday Show or something like that, where he talked about 307 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: the legal theory defense here. So why don't we find 308 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: that SoundBite you can and then we'll play it here 309 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: we can, well, we have Daniel Cameron up next, right, 310 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: but later on we can get to it, do a 311 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: quick reaction to it, and I'll reach out, Look, don't 312 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: we want to hear from what the other side is 313 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: saying on this one? I mean, I'll reach out to 314 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,719 Speaker 1: former Attorney General Barr and see if we can get 315 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: him to come on and explain why he is skeptical 316 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: of that defense. And let's get Mike Lee on to 317 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: explain why he thinks is rock solid. 318 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also maybe we get Andy McCarthy, who who 319 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 2: is our usual go to legal analysts, because I'd like 320 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 2: to hear what he thinks because his mets stinks, so 321 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 2: he's got plenty of time. 322 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: I just want to send him a fruit basket or something. 323 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: He's helping us out a lot. He is. 324 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: Indeed, you know who can help you guys out a lot. 325 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: It's get refunds. 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Mister Attorney General, 342 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us, Sir. 343 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: I am honored to be with you all. Thanks for 344 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: having me, and grateful for the chance to talk a 345 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 3: little bit about what's going on in Kentucky. 346 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: Yes, well, we want to talk to you about that 347 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: your upcoming governor's race, how Mitch McConnell could play into things, 348 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: and a lot more if I could, though, first or 349 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you you've taken some action filed 350 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: some lawsuits even revolving around or dealing with the unwillingness 351 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: of the Biden administration to secure the southern border. Could 352 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: you just tell everybody what have you been doing on 353 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: that front and how do you see this dereliction of 354 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: duty at the southern border play out on your state. 355 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 3: Well, you know, obviously we have made a decision to 356 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 3: get involved on this front and filing lawsuits and demanding 357 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: certain actions be taken by the Secretary of State because 358 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 3: it's impacting our people here in Kentucky. We all know 359 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: that China is creating fentanyl, at least the components of it. 360 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 3: They're being assembled in Mexico and then they make their 361 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: way across the southern border and they impact and kill 362 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 3: families here in Kentucky. In fact, seventy three percent of 363 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 3: the overdose related deaths that we've seen here in Kentucky 364 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: are because of fentanyl. And so, as the chief prosecutor 365 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: and the chief law enforcement officer here in Kentucky, I've 366 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 3: got a responsibility to all of our families to do 367 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: everything I can, and that's why I've asked the Secretary 368 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: of State in the Biden administration to declare fentanyl a 369 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: weapon of mass to constructure to make sure that we 370 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 3: label the cartails out of Mexico foreign terrorist organizations, because again, 371 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 3: we need an approach from the federal government that takes 372 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: this seriously, that secures our butt border, and that uses 373 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: every agency and department of the federal government to fight 374 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: this on behalf of our families. 375 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming on, mister Attorney General. 376 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: And by the way, I want everybody listening in the 377 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: state of Kentucky to make no have no uncertainties about this. 378 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: There's a major election happening for y'all in November, Andy Basheer, 379 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: and this is just me talking before I ask you 380 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: a question. Attorney General Andy Basheer was a disaster during COVID. 381 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: He doesn't represent the people of Kentucky. He has been 382 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: a failure as a governor. Every single one of y'all 383 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: listening right now, all over the great state of Kentucky 384 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,719 Speaker 2: in the Bluegrass, you need to be doing everything you 385 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: can to get this guy elected who we're talking to 386 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: right now, because it matters a lot. And that leads 387 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: into this question that I'm going to ask you about. 388 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: Daniel Cameron with us right now. Attorney General of Kentucky, 389 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 2: there is a dispute. I know you know Mitch McConnell. Well, 390 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: I know that he is a friend and a mentor 391 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 2: of yours. He obviously is over eighty now, and he's 392 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: had some health conditions as most people over the age 393 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: of eighty two. Kentucky passed a law that effectively said, 394 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: and you can correct me if I'm wrong, You're going 395 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: to be the expert on this. This is my understanding 396 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: that in the event Mitch McConnell were not able to 397 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: fulfill his duties as Senator through his term in twenty 398 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: twenty six, this Kentucky state legislature would pick three people 399 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: that they thought were potential replacements, give those names to 400 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: the governor. Right now would be Andy Basheer, and that 401 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: Basheer would be obligated to pick one of those three 402 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 2: to fulfill the term of Mitch McConnell, or at least 403 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: fulfill it till there was another race. Basher is saying, 404 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, and lay this out because 405 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 2: I think it's really important. Butcher is saying he doesn't 406 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: believe that law is constitutional AND's telling Democrats that effectively, 407 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: he would appoint a Democrat and challenge this in the 408 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: courts and there would be a huge mess here. You, 409 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: on the other hand, I imagine, would just if you 410 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: were in office appoint a Republican. This wouldn't be an 411 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: issue at all. Why does this matter so much? Am 412 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 2: I analyzing it correct legally? And isn't this an integral 413 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 2: issue for the people of Kentucky to be involved in? 414 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 3: Clay Man, you hit the nail on the head. I mean, 415 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 3: this is so important. I mean Andy Basheer and the 416 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: far left Democrats here in Kentucky have basically said they 417 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 3: are going to disregard, dismiss the law that was passed 418 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 3: by our General Assembly that yes, says that in the 419 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: event something were to happen to one of our senators, 420 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 3: then the governor has to essentially pick someone from the 421 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: same party. But Andy Basheer said he's not going to 422 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: do that basically, and that's a shame. And the stakes 423 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 3: are that high in November. We've got to have a 424 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: governor that will abide by the laws that are passed 425 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 3: by our General Assembly and that's going to appoint a 426 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: Republican to represent Kentucky's values in Washington, d C. We 427 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: need to have that maintained in our federal delegation. And 428 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: if Andy Basheer gets to make this pick, he's going 429 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 3: to disregard the law. He's going to appoint a far 430 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 3: left Democrat to be the next Senator of Kentucky. And 431 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 3: like you said, they enjoy holding things up in court 432 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: and trying to litigate something. And while that happens, a 433 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 3: Democrat will be sitting in a Senate seat here in Kentucky. 434 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: Look again, that's why this race is so important, important 435 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 3: because you know that you know again, if anything happens 436 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 3: to one of our senators, I'm going to appoint a 437 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 3: Republican and we're going to have somebody that reflects our 438 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: values in Washington, d C. 439 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: To me, this is a no brainer to decide the election. 440 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: I want everybody in Kentucky to be listening to this 441 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: because what they're going to try to sell is, oh. 442 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: We're to have balanced government. 443 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: I'm not really a Democrat, but he is saying he 444 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: will defy the law of the Kentucky Legislature and he 445 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: would tie this up in court and he would put 446 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 2: a Democrat in the Senate. And as you well know, 447 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 2: Daniel Cameron, Attorney General of Kentucky, who should be the 448 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: next governor, as you well know, in a fifty to 449 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: fifty Senate, which is effectively where we are, that decision 450 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 2: could swing control of the chamber. I mean, this is 451 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: a huge deal. I can't believe it's not a bigger story. 452 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: You're exactly right. I mean, it is such an important 453 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: part of this race, such an important part of the 454 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 3: November seventh election, and that's why we need to get 455 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 3: as many people as possible to the polls. You know, 456 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: right now we see polling that shows that the governor 457 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 3: and I are in a dead heat. We've got to 458 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 3: seal the deal because our kids and our grandkids' futures 459 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: are on the line, but also in many ways our 460 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: state United States Senate, and I'm going to make sure 461 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: that we have strong representation there. Again, certainly don't want 462 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 3: anything to happen to either one of our senators. I 463 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 3: value and respect each one of both of them, and 464 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: then honored to know them and have their support in 465 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 3: this campaign. But we've got to make sure we have 466 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: a Republican governor so that we can make sure that 467 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 3: we continue to have Republican leadership in our United States Senate. 468 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: Coming from Kentucky, Kentucky Attorney General Cameron. Appreciate you being 469 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: with us, sir, and good luck to you. 470 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I'm going to jump off and start 471 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: reading the American Playbook. So thank you all. 472 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I think you'll enjoy it. I look 473 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: forward to be Look, I'll put this offer out there 474 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: this fall when I'm hanging out and coming up for 475 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: a Kentucky game or one of the races at Keeenland. 476 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: Let me know what I can do to help, and 477 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 2: I'll come to one of your rallies with you. 478 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 3: I appreciate that so much. Guys, Thanks God bless you. 479 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna come hang out's have you ever 480 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: been to have ever been? More to say, I'm going 481 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: I want to go to Keenland. I want to go 482 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: have fun things at the races too. 483 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: By the way, let me just let you so for 484 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: people who have never been to a horse race, I 485 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: might have asked you this before. How much fun is it, 486 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: Attorney General Daniel Cameron to go watch a horse race 487 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: in Kentucky? 488 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: Oh? I mean there's nothing like it. I mean it's 489 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: the most exciting two minutes in uh two to three 490 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 3: minutes in the world. And man, I buck, we got 491 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 3: to get you here, man, Come on with Clay. We'll 492 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: have a good time. Make sure if we go to 493 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: Keeenlan we do some tailgating as well. We'll catch a 494 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: football game too. It'll be a nice weekend. 495 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: That sounds fantastic, mister Journey General. Thank you so much. 496 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: We look forward to seeing you and Clay. This is 497 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: where I admit I have not been to Kentucky before. 498 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, I know, I know, so it needs to happen. 499 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: This is a needs to happen situation. Have you been 500 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: all fifty Have you been to all fifty states? No? 501 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: I haven't. 502 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: There's still a lot out west I haven't been to, 503 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: and I want to go. In fact we have, I'm 504 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: going to get a trip scart. I want to get 505 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: an RV and hit a bunch of different Western states. 506 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: But Buck, what he just mentioned, I would argue, and 507 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: people out in Kentucky can can take me up on 508 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: this if you disagree. The best possible weekend in Kentucky 509 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: is they have the overlap of the Keeenland horse Races, 510 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: which happened in Lexington, beautiful part of the country, Lexington, Kentucky. 511 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: They have the horse race and then they have a 512 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: lot of times a night football game. So if you 513 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: can balance the bourbon and pace yourself, you can go 514 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: watch the horse races in the morning and in the 515 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: early afternoon, and then you can leave and go watch 516 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: a night football game in October when the weather is 517 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: beautiful and it is about as good of a Saturday 518 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: as you could have anywhere in the country. I'm not 519 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: sure what the overlap dates are, but that'd be a 520 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: hell of a trip for us to take. 521 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: Sounds good, you know, Unlike hanging out outside of Miami 522 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: right now, where your shirt turns translucent in about thirty 523 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: seconds from all the sweat, You know what I mean. 524 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: This is different times to be in different parts of 525 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: the country at their peak. It sounds like that's a 526 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: peak time to be in Kentucky as I'm complaining about 527 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: how hot it is here in South Florida. My fellow 528 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: gun owners, you know this. 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Get yours at mantis x dot com. 547 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: That's m A and tis x dot com. 548 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: Clayanbuck twenty four to seven and subscribe today. Welcome back 549 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: in Clay Travis buck Sexton show a lot of people reacting, 550 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: agreeing with me that Kinglyn plus a University of Kentucky 551 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: football game is a tough double to beat in terms 552 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 2: of awesome day of sporting activities. Drinking a lot of 553 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: women in the sundresses, Buck which I will argue the 554 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: greatest of all women clothes. I just at the Southern 555 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: sun dress is tough to beat on a football Saturday 556 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: in the South, as you have experienced. Now before we 557 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: did the show, you'd never been down. You got to 558 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: spend some time in Tusco and say this is not 559 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: a bad lifestyle. We got people. You want to play 560 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: the Bill Barr or you want to bring that back 561 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 2: for the next hour. We got some calls, or we 562 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: can play. We were discussing, we have it. Yeah, we've 563 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: got it cut twenty eight. 564 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let let's play it because we're going 565 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: to these calls go to this issue, so maybe we 566 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: have a little quick reaction to it. Here's what Bill 567 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: Barr said. I think it was last week, maybe last 568 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: Sunday or something like that. 569 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 4: Play the Department of Justice is not acting to weaponize 570 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 4: the Department by proceeding against the president for a conspiracy 571 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 4: to subvert the electoral process. 572 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: Which is what Trump's attorneys are saying. 573 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 2: And they're also saying that he was just exercising his First. 574 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: Amendment right here. Do you think that's a valid argument 575 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: in your view? 576 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 4: No, I really don't think that's a valid argument because 577 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 4: you know, as the indictment says, they're not attacking his 578 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 4: First Amendment right. He can say whatever he wants. He 579 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 4: can even lie, he can even tell people that the 580 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 4: election was stolen when he knew better. But that does 581 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 4: not protect you from entering into a conspiracy. All conspiracies 582 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 4: involve speech. 583 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so that's still again my I understand. I don't 584 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: think the Trump attorneys, in my opinion, are making a 585 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 2: particularly strong argument on First Amendment grounds, But he's not 586 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 2: addressing buck my argument, and again just that it's I 587 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 2: don't know if he's been directly asked about it. Well, 588 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: maybe we can reach out to Bill Barr and see 589 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: if he'll come on, because I'd love to hear his 590 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: argument on this. What I am saying is the legal 591 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: advice that Trump got that he relied on is not 592 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: a crime because it's not an outlandish legal theory that 593 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: is unprecedented and unsubstantiated in any way. And the baseline 594 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: upon which I'm basing that is because they first of 595 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: all wrote the whole thing out in a memo, and 596 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: I've never heard of anybody prosecuted based on a legal 597 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: theory that was argued in a legal memo. I've never 598 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: heard that happen as a crime. Number one, maybe I'm wrong. 599 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: Maybe some of you out there, arescuters, maybe your defense attorneys, 600 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: maybe you've seen that happen as it pertains the legal advice. 601 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 2: I never have. But the bigger part here is they 602 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: changed the law. And I would be hammering this over 603 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: and over and over again if I were the Trump team. 604 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: They changed the law. If there wasn't ambiguity about what 605 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: the role was of the vice president, why did they 606 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: change the law in December of twenty two to clarify 607 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 2: Pence didn't have the authority to do what the Trump 608 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: legal advisors were saying he had the authority to do. Now, 609 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: I understand, mind you everybody out there. Lawyers were telling 610 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: them different things, and Mike Pence listened to the majority 611 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 2: lawyer opinion in the decision that he made. And maybe 612 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: nine out of ten lawyers would say Mike Pence didn't 613 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: have the authority to do it. But if one out 614 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: of ten would say that he did, and then they 615 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: changed the law, that's pretty compelling argument that there was 616 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 2: ambiguity in the law, which means that Trump didn't commit 617 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: a crime because he was relying on reasonable legal advice 618 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 2: that ended up not caring the day. 619 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if only Ralph Maccio had had Clay two 620 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: instead of Joe PESHI, I think that case would have 621 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: been over a lot sooner. Clay could have turned up 622 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: the southern accent a little more, just for that judge 623 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: and my cousin Vinnie, it would have worked. It's a 624 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: great It is a great great I did it. Really? 625 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: It holds up to It's a very funny, very good movie, 626 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: one of the best. You know, Joe Pesci doesn't really 627 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: get that much. I feel like he doesn't get that 628 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: much crazy. He's been in a lot of really good movies. Actually, yeah, 629 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: a lot of big successful movies over time. What's the 630 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: best Joe Pesci movie? Casino? Uh, my dad would say 631 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: that you and my dad's here, I I probably go. 632 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that would be the one that people would 633 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: celebrate the most. I think it's tough to beat Home Alone. 634 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a great moment. Alone is Home 635 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: Alone is so good. I love watching that with my kids. 636 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: And it also holds up. It holds on performance, I 637 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: would argue, is probably my cousin Vinny. Yeah, that's, you know, 638 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: for for him as an actor. All right, well, let's 639 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: get we have a couple. We have those callers up 640 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: to who was it? We have them there, they were 641 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: with us a second. Let's go to Dale. 642 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 2: Sorry, Bowen Nashville is an attorney, Buck, So I was 643 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 2: asking for attorneys. Am I crazy? Bo with what I've 644 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: laid out? And if so, what am I missing? 645 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 5: You may be crazy, but not about this theory. 646 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: That's what I always tell you. 647 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 5: As far as as far as Kentucky, I've been a 648 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 5: volunteer fan all my life. So if you guys need 649 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 5: any other buddy in the box set, feel free to 650 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 5: let me know. As far as as far as the theory, 651 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 5: I agree with you. I'm a the sen's attorney and 652 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 5: I cannot wrap my head around how they were able 653 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 5: to retroactively charge Trump with a crime for something that 654 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 5: was not a crime at the time. And I've never 655 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 5: seen something like this where they take this memo and 656 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 5: try to create a crime, and then create evidence for 657 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 5: a crime and then backdate it in order to convict him. 658 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 5: I've never seen anything like that. 659 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: It is also raious, That's my point. 660 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And Buck, what I was saying is the legal memo, 661 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: to me, is an incredible defense point for Trump. The 662 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: New York Times is playing this as if it's a 663 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 2: smoking gun against him. Bo, you're kind of with me here. 664 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: This is actually evidence that Trump there was a legal theory. 665 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 2: They laid out what it was. They said that it 666 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: might not win, and in fact likely wouldn't. But here's 667 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 2: the roadmap for what it represents to me, Like, this 668 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 2: is very exculpatory for Trump. 669 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 5: So I don't know how they would be able to 670 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 5: use that against them anyway. And if you read the 671 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 5: memo itself, he flat out says that this is a 672 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 5: theory we could use, but it's not a charge itself. 673 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 5: It's not anything that actually helps facilitate a crime, especially 674 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 5: the one that existed at the time. 675 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: Bo, do you think they're going to try to flip 676 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: Trump's lawyers in that case? I'm against him. 677 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 5: I'm sure they will. Yeah, the question is whether he 678 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 5: stands up or not. 679 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: Right, uh, And we'll see both. Thanks for calling in 680 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: from from Nashville. Claive, We've got a lot more and 681 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: we haven't even talked about the brawl down in Montgomery, Alabama. 682 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know we have that much analysis on it, 683 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: but we kind of just want to talk about it. 684 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: We'll get to that coming up. 685 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 2: Flat Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.