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Speaker 1: in the details. Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're

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Speaker 1: listening to Climbing in Heels. The show is all about

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Speaker 1: celebrating the most extraordinary superwomen who will be sharing their

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Speaker 1: incredible journeys to the top, all while staying glamorous. Today

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Speaker 1: dearly for a very long time. She's an incredible fashion

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Speaker 1: designer and entrepreneur, d Ocleppo, who happens to also be

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Speaker 1: married to my very dear friend, Tommy Hilfiger, who fun

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Speaker 1: fact gave me my biggest career break and I would

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Speaker 1: d speaks with me today about her childhood as a

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Speaker 1: a creative outlet. Together, we also talk about her crazy

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Speaker 1: and amazing mixed family. I'm so excited for you all

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Speaker 1: to listen, and I hope you enjoyed this one. First

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Speaker 1: of all, you grew up here in the US, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I grew up in Rhode Island.

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Speaker 1: You grew up in Rhode Island.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Rhode Island and my parents became

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Speaker 2: naturalized citizens. My father immigrated from Turkey and my mother

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Speaker 2: But I grew up American, first generation, amazing, And I

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Speaker 1: I could see that just knowing you, I could see that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think part of it was like I

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Speaker 2: And you know, my dad had this like crazy accent,

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Speaker 1: Interesting And what was your sister like? Was she the opposite?

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Speaker 2: My sister was also quite shy. But my sister was

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Speaker 1: And so like. So when you were growing up, were

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Speaker 1: And were you boy crazy? Because I was fully boy crazy.

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Speaker 2: So I had the worst haircuts. I mean I look

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Speaker 1: You, full stop, full stop as a CEO fashion authority

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about. So you got married, you

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Speaker 2: And that marriage we were married. I think we divorced

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Speaker 2: The problem was I, you know, it was a really

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Speaker 1: You know, the sweetest man to ever live.

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Speaker 1: You really when you say that out loud, do you

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Speaker 2: sort of like later on in life, you know, finding housing,

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Speaker 2: And protect them exactly. I think the struggle, the biggest struggle,

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Speaker 1: I so on top of this of this big life

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Speaker 1: When I first met you, you know, and I've told

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Speaker 1: You have to meet her. You are going to love her.

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Speaker 1: And I met you, and I remember you were so

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Speaker 1: things that are honoring you and celebrating you, and you're

435
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: so active in so many different things from breast cancer

436
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: and obviously autism. But like, I also think that you're

437
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: just besides being this special extraordinary person. You know, you

438
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: really are this your own person. You are to me

439
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: like you're Dan. You used to say, oh, I'm Tommy's

440
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: wife from missus Helf. I was like stop it, like

441
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna literally knock you over. And you know, and

442
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: you have such a fan club of your own, and

443
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: now you've built like such an incredible you know, you

444
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: have your hands in a lot of things, right, so

445
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: you've started different businesses. But now I want to talk

446
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: about Judith Lieber and I want to talk about what

447
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: you're doing, and I want to talk about dia Kleppo

448
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: because the products are beautiful. But like my question to

449
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: you is why, like why, Like you know how hard

450
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: it is launching a brand, right, I mean you know

451
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: that I know I think.

452
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: That I have to give at most of the credit

453
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: honestly to Tommy.

454
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: Because it's your biggest cheerleader.

455
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: He's my biggest cheerleader. He's the one that helped me.

456
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 2: And you know, I love to work. I've always loved

457
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: to work. I've worked since I'm thirteen. You know, I've

458
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: had so many crazy different jobs and I've always worked.

459
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: And the one thing that my one lesson that I

460
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: learned from my divorce was that I wanted to always work.

461
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: I never wanted to be put in that situation again

462
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: where I have some form of my own independence. And

463
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 2: although I cherished that time that I spent with my

464
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: first two kids when they were young, mat you know,

465
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: I find now as a working mom, I still have

466
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: the most amazing time with Sebastian. I still always have

467
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: time for Sebastian.

468
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: So it does I have to be in either or no.

469
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, you know, I just can't imagine like

470
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: and I know you too, like I can't imagine you

471
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: not working ever. I mean, I just I love to work,

472
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: and I think work gives me, like, you know, not

473
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: only a creative outlet, but I get to meet great

474
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: people and you.

475
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: Know, to purpose. It's a purpose. It's a purpose for

476
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: getting up every day, right, other than I have to

477
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: make sure my kids are okay, right, because that's always

478
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: for for you.

479
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, it's something for you that makes it's

480
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: you know, good for it makes me feel good for

481
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: my self esteem. So you know, I'm grateful that Tommy

482
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: helped me and encouraged me to you know, launch my

483
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: own line, and then we bought a percentage. We own

484
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: twenty percent of Judith Leber, and then I came creative

485
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: director of it. You know, I wanted to get that

486
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: brand a new life, you know, a new life, and

487
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: it needed it. And so now I kind of have

488
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: these two jobs. Plus I have my Missus Hill figure

489
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: job where I you know, I go on his arm

490
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: and you know, I go to all his events and

491
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: do that. So it's kind of like it's kind of

492
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: like three jobs.

493
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 1: You are the cutest though, and that mom thing to

494
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: seven kids that are all different ages, with all different

495
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: like with all different I mean, listen, I argue to

496
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: say that being a mom is the forever job, right,

497
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Like I look at my parents now, they still parent

498
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: us so hard, different but still you know, it's it's wild,

499
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: it's wild.

500
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm lucky enough to have like my parents, and you know,

501
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: it's there always your parents, always your parents. You'll always worry.

502
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: The day that you, you know, give birth or you

503
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: have children is like the you know, that's the day

504
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: where you will worry the rest of your life.

505
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: It's true. And I say that to people very honestly.

506
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: They're like, what's the biggest difference. I'm like, you don't

507
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: breathe the same way. You never truly breathe the same

508
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: way once you become a mother. It's like that inner.

509
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how else to explain it. It's like,

510
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: it's just your heart and your soul is just this

511
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and it's the best thing. There's nothing you trade it for, right,

512
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: but like, there's nothing more rewarding but it. It is

513
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: a forever job. It's the forever job. And my kids

514
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: always go, mom, the one that doesn't pay you. I

515
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: was like, exactly, and you have to keep paying me

516
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: with love.

517
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: We get paid in different ways.

518
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: We do, we do, we do.

519
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get cute things from school that he makes me.

520
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: The best thing ever, grammis and the necklace Macaroni necklaces places.

521
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: It's the best thing ever. And listen, I think you

522
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 1: know your journey has not been the easiest. I wouldn't

523
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: say you know. I think you've been met with a

524
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: lot you've been but like you know, you're a survivor,

525
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: my friend, and I think the life that you live now,

526
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think you're very grateful for it, but

527
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: I think you've also worked for it. I think you,

528
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: I think you've worked for it.

529
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 2: We're grateful for it. And you know it hasn't always

530
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 2: been easy. But you know, I don't think anybody's life

531
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: is always easy, and we all face different challenges. My

532
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: challenges are different than other people's. But you know, as

533
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: I would say, my divorce was really difficult. But you know,

534
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: like I never I see other people, I always try

535
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: to you know, if you look around like I've never

536
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: dealt with, yeah, a serious illness like cancer. You know,

537
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: I just I always consider myself incredibly, incredibly lucky. So

538
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: even at my worst moment, you can always look around

539
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: and say, you know.

540
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: What, this sucks, But I do the same.

541
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: You know, this person has it so much worse. Were

542
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: I mean, we're above ground, we're alive. We're not you know,

543
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: in a war. We're good. We're good even on a

544
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: bad day, Like you know, the bad days don't exist

545
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: for me anymore.

546
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, It's not Yeah, I agree,

547
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: and I check myself that way, and I'm like if

548
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm melting and just I just go stop stop. And

549
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: it is all relative. But I think at the end

550
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: of the day, every day you have to you have

551
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: to compare what your what your worst day is to

552
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: someone else's like best day, you know what I mean

553
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, you know.

554
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: I literally like I I lay in bed every morning

555
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: before I get out of bed, like I don't ever

556
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: like just jump out of bed. I just kind of

557
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: take a minute to be like, okay, you're yeah, you're

558
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: you're good, Like you got your arms, you got your

559
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: you're healthy. And I just start out like every morning

560
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: with that gratitude, and you know, it changes everything. And

561
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: I literally feel so blessed and lucky every single day.

562
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm just starting to do that, you know. Irena Metavoi, right,

563
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, So Irena said this thing at her birthday

564
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: the other night. She said, every morning I wake up,

565
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I look at myself. I'm good, I'm here, I'm alive,

566
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: I'm breathing. I turned to Mike, and Mike's I'm alive.

567
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: And they go in every morning they look at each other,

568
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: go love you, We're good. Like literally like we're breathing,

569
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: we're alive, we're healthy, everything's intact. We're good. Let's get up,

570
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: like and it made me laugh so hard and I

571
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: and I woke up the next day going, Okay, my

572
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: kids are here, they're next to me, Roger's here, We're

573
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: all good. Okay, we can move on with our day.

574
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: Great as it's wild. Literally back to the getting of.

575
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: A conversation about what's going on world today. I mean,

576
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: imagine being somewhere there or not knowing where your children

577
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: are whatever, Like you know, our little challenges are not

578
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: they're they're.

579
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: They're they're not. They're not they're not.

580
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: We're really really lucky.

581
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Well, I am grateful to have you as my friend.

582
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: I love having you on. I'm excited to see sort

583
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: of what's next for you, because I feel like you

584
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: always have something brewing, Like I don't know, do you

585
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: ever think about like what's next, or you just like

586
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm overloaded and I'm good right now, or do you

587
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: have like all these things cooking in your in your

588
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: world right now?

589
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: I always have been cooking, I told Tommy the other day,

590
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, like when Snoopy has like a cloud above

591
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: his peda one cloud I have like twenty thousand clouds

592
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: that are floating over me at all time. I got

593
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: to do this, got to do that.

594
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: And does he go oh, because Roger looks at me

595
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: like Lucy. We're like Lucy and Ricky and I'll just

596
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: be like babe. They'll be like Lucy, Okay, what what what?

597
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: Or just Tommy, let's talk about it. What? Yeah?

598
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: I know, Well, Tommy's the same, and we're always we

599
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: always have a million ideas and I'm always looking forward.

600
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm always excited to do more. And you know, I'm

601
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: always looking ahead. I have to look ahead. And the

602
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: fashion business you have to look ahead because you're designing,

603
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: you know, twenty four and five, twenty three. You know,

604
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm forced to look ahead. And I'm working on licenses

605
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: for my business for clothing. We're trying to open up

606
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: some stores in Dubai. So I've got a long way

607
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: to go. I've got a long way to go. I

608
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: look at Tommy as like, you know, and he's thirty

609
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: years on me. I'm like, I've got a long I've

610
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: got a lot of work to do. I've got a

611
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: lot of climbing to do. But it's fun.

612
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: In your heels I might add yes.

613
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: On heels and platforms and you.

614
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Don't even need them in all fairness, by the way,

615
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: but you are always kind to me. You do always

616
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: duck down for pictures, which you know I have a

617
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: handful of my tall friends. Dude like squat down for me.

618
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: It's very I don't know where I think this is

619
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: in your head.

620
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I never I'm little, you as vertically challenged. Never, I've

621
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: never never, because I'm always in like a freaking seven

622
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: inch platform or something.

623
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: And the only time that I ever became aware, but

624
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: when you came on the boat, you like, yes, your work,

625
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: I'm not taking them off, and I was like, oh,

626
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: And then I saw it. And when I say you shoes,

627
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: you're like, only platforms. And I started to put it together.

628
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: But I never, I never see you as I It

629
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: was like a tall glass of water.

630
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: I love you. You're the sweetest. When people describe me as tall,

631
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, she's tall and blonde. I'm like, thank you,

632
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: it's the nicest thing you could have said. Really, just

633
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: describe me as tall. That's the craziest thing. I love it.

634
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: In your head, I tell you, that's not a pressure.

635
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: I think it's tall I think tall. I think tall. Yes,

636
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: it's tall. I stand on apple.

637
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: Boxes and very tall. Oh.

638
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: I love you very much. I'm so happy to have

639
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: you on. I love talking to you. I'll see you

640
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: a lot in pump Beach. I realize we're always passing

641
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: in the night, Like I'll literally text you on landing

642
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: and you guys are like, we left this morning. Literally.

643
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: I probably would say, like, when you're coming, we're going

644
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: to be in LA or something. Yeah, I don't know

645
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: yet what our December things in, but you know I

646
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: haven't seen you in Palm Beach. I know, I know

647
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: that I've missed you, but I would love you to come. See.

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Speaker 2: The house is crazy and we have lots of rooms.

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Speaker 1: So if you guys.

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Speaker 2: All invited, you're all invited to stay.

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Speaker 1: I love you, we would love it. We would love

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Speaker 1: it all right. So I love to Tommy and kiss all

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Speaker 1: those children, the ones that you see and Sebastian little Cutie,

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Speaker 1: give them a hug.

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Speaker 2: And I can't wait to see you in person.

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Speaker 1: I know I will soon, hopefully in the next month.

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Speaker 1: It's that time in the show and I answer to

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Speaker 1: listener questions. So let's see what we have today, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what fall winter fashion would you advise for someone living

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Speaker 1: in Florida. Okay, well, not to be specific to Florida,

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Speaker 1: but any any place that's warm all year long. I

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Speaker 1: would say you could still have so much fun because

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Speaker 1: you still need, you know, like a very lightweight jacket

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Speaker 1: instead of wearing like a faux fur coat, maybe just

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Speaker 1: do like a lightweight metallic trench or something like that,

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Speaker 1: or like a very thin, you know, cool jacket that

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Speaker 1: you can you know, layer over whatever you have on because,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the air conditioning everywhere in Florida, I

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Speaker 1: literally have to wear like a coat everywhere I go

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Speaker 1: because it's freezing. But I would also say you could

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Speaker 1: absolutely wear like boots, just keep them a little bit lighter,

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Speaker 1: not so heavy and clunky, and I wouldn't necessarily wear velvet.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's like you can still absolutely have fun.

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Speaker 1: I think you've seen all sorts of hosiery is back,

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Speaker 1: like fish nets. You know, that's something you could absolutely

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Speaker 1: add to any look to just sort of keep it

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Speaker 1: on trend and you know, just have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of fun that won't sort of affect you know, the

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Speaker 1: weight of your outfit, but still make it a bit

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Speaker 1: more interesting and accessories in general would always be helpful. Okay,

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Speaker 1: next question, would you discourage your sons from being in

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Speaker 1: the entertainment industry? That's a very good question. I think

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Speaker 1: it depends what part of the entertainment industry. I think

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Speaker 1: if it means what, I discourage them from being an actor.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard because I have so much respect

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Speaker 1: for actors. I think the problem that I have around

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Speaker 1: the industry on that side being in front of the camera.

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Speaker 1: It's a world that's terrifying when you're very young, So

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Speaker 1: I would say to that, and it's also success at

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Speaker 1: a young age very often ends in a very bad, dark,

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Speaker 1: lonely place, as illustrated over and over and over. But

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Speaker 1: not always, and there are exceptions. And I find that

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Speaker 1: the people with parents that stay very close to their children,

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Speaker 1: those are the kids that typically don't get lost and

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Speaker 1: don't lose their way. But I think in terms of

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Speaker 1: it's being an agent or a manager or you know,

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Speaker 1: someone building brands. You know, I mean, sure, whatever they

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Speaker 1: love to do, you know, I would get behind. But

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Speaker 1: I would say if they were in front of camera

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Speaker 1: as talent I would never leave their sides. So hope

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Speaker 1: that helps. Hope that answers everybody's questions. Don't forget to

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Speaker 1: submit your questions for next week's episode. All you have

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Speaker 1: to do is dms your questions to at Climbing in

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Speaker 1: Heels pod on Instagram and I might just answer your question.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank d so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. She is truly one of a kind. She

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Speaker 1: is one of the truly nicest people I've ever met

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Speaker 1: since the day I met her, and she's exceptionally talented

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Speaker 1: in what she does, although very humble about it and

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Speaker 1: does not speak loudly enough about herself, but I so

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Speaker 1: loved having her on. I think she undersells herself a bit.

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Speaker 1: She's been through quite a lot, but she's a very grateful,

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Speaker 1: very humble, very kind, very generous person. She's a tremendous friend,

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Speaker 1: a mother and stepmother to seven children and as she mentioned,

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Speaker 1: three that have different levels of autism. Between her and

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Speaker 1: Tommy Hilfiger, her husband, and I think that in and

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Speaker 1: of itself is a job. But she also continues to

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Speaker 1: launch other careers and other businesses, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't see any sign of her stopping. But she's just

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Speaker 1: an incredible person and I love her very much and

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Speaker 1: I loved having her on. So I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this episode and if you want more Climbing in Heels content,

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Speaker 1: follow me on at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing in

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Speaker 1: Hills Pod on Instagram for more updates on upcoming guests, episodes,

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Speaker 1: and all things Curetor. I will see you all next week.

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Speaker 1: Come on,