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Speaker 1: Side Territory, Foul Territory Networks, Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahade Sharma.

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Speaker 1: Back with me from the Jersey Shore is Patrick Mooney.

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Speaker 1: We are your Cubs beat writers at the Athletic. Patrick,

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Speaker 1: tell us about all the Jim tanning and laundry you did.

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Speaker 2: There was copious amounts of that. I would say I

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Speaker 2: The rest of it was pretty standard, you know of

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Speaker 2: You know, pretty standard stuff, but very much refreshed ready

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Speaker 2: to We were texting the other day. It's cover Cubs playoff,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get to go to Cleveland, which is their

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Speaker 1: trying to upgrade this significantly, and that would problem. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to upgrade that position significantly. It Can they

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Speaker 1: pull it off is going to be the question, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably what we focus on come the end.

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Speaker 1: Of the season and whenever it ends, that's probably what

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Speaker 1: you and I will be jumping on and trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out. Uh. I think it's it's gonna be hugely important.

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Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of what you said, but

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Speaker 1: I think like they need they need depth in the bullpen,

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Speaker 1: they need depth in the rotation, they need you know,

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Speaker 1: depth in general. Right, But but Catcher just feels like

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's going to be the focus. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And and I think we will. We'll cover it a

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Speaker 1: lot more in November. Uh, probably October two because but yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we'll be back at this early in the week Patrick,

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Speaker 1: You'll be in Cleveland. The Cubs will try and like

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Speaker 1: you said, keep us writing about the games. Uh. We

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Speaker 1: we had two weeks where it was like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's a big picture from here on forward.

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Speaker 1: So I actually wrote about a game this weekend. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if if if you can do that in Cleveland

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Speaker 1: or if it shifts back to big picture. Cleveland isn't

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Speaker 1: playing so hot right now. They do have one of

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Speaker 1: the best bullpens in the game, so it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: tough to score off off them once the starter's out

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Speaker 1: because their rotation is kind of weak right now, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see how the Cubs do. It's an easy schedule

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Speaker 1: the rest of the way or the rest of August.

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Speaker 1: If they're going to get back into it. This is

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Speaker 1: this is the time to become relevant and make this interesting.

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Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for being back. Patrick, It's good to have

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Speaker 1: you back. Take care of what