1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious ex M Triumph 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Channel one thirty till on Saturday, October twenty two and 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: two thousand five, Tera Grinstead went missing from her residence. 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: As the hours turned into days, days in two weeks, 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: weeks in two months, and eventually months into years, the 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: search efforts never ceased. A few days ago, an individual 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: came forward and reported that they had information into Terror's disappearance. 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 1: Enough probable cause was discovered so we could swear out 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: and arrest warrant charging Ryan Alexander Duke with the murder 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: of Tera Grinstead. So we always believed that it would 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: be solved. We just did not know when we go 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: live in the search for a missing beauty queen turned 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: history teacher who vanished after a cook out. The entire 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:06,639 Speaker 1: town of Oscilla searching still for Tara Grinstead. But where 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: is she? What are police missing? What is that missing? Clue? 16 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: Exclusive coverage right now with an expert in the search 17 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: for Tera Grinstead. I mean it, See Grace, this is 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Oscilla is 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: a beautiful small town. I've been there many many times, 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: including into Tara Grinstead's home, and I can tell you, 21 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: Dr Maurice Godwin, that the inside of her home looked 22 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: like a little jewel box. Her mother, following her disappearance, 23 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: gave me a tour of her home, and it looked 24 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: like it was straight out of one of my favorite magazines, 25 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: Ballard Designs. Okay, Dr god When I don't expect you 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: to know about home furnishings, but her home, it looked 27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: like she had decorated it by hand, and every room 28 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: was like a little masterpiece. It was tiny, tiny, but 29 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: I noticed that everything was not in place in her bedroom. 30 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: Tera Grinstead, a beauty queen turned history teacher seeking her PhD, 31 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: goes missing mysteriously two. Dr Maurice Godwin, who specializes in 32 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: forensics and psychology, actually was hired by Terra's family to 33 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of her disappearance. You know, we 34 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: know that one arrest has been made, and arrest of 35 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: someone nobody expected, a student of hers, about two or 36 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: three years before she went missing. But this case is 37 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: far from over. Let's go back, Dr Godwin and review 38 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: what we know to be true as we still search 39 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: for Terry Grinstead and whoever may have been involved in 40 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: her disappearance. Doctor god would take me back to the 41 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: day she went missing. What happened? She had some girls 42 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: over because during paget story, uh, the paget stuff and 43 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: everything and try to trying to coach kids and stuff 44 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: and how to be in beauty pagets, the makeup, the hair, 45 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, that is an ordeal grande. So 46 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: she was mentoring these young girls, that's right. So during 47 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: the day on October uh twenty, that sarady, she had 48 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: some girls over to her home and uh they were 49 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: during hair and makeup for preparation for a beauty uh 50 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: paget that night that Sara to night and Fitzgerald she 51 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: was going to the beauty padget. Also miss Sweet Potato 52 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Paget and so hey, wait a minute, wait a minute. 53 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: With several people there that I'm a little shot. I've 54 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: got two producers in the room with me, and one 55 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: is actually laughing when you said miss sweet Potato. And 56 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: I've only resent that, Jackie. I've never disagreed with you before. 57 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. That's a lot of hard work. 58 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: And people pass off these contestants as dumb bunnies. That 59 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: is so not true. You go try to squeeze into 60 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: a size to swimsuit and answer difficult questions about politics 61 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: and geography. Good luck, mommy. Okay, Well she was doing 62 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: it for a scholarship money. Yes, that's right, and that's 63 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: that's really there. I hope you heard that, Jackie. Okay, 64 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: just stop gesticulating at me. Okay, back to Dr Godwin going. 65 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: I mean that was the only reason. Really, she was 66 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: doing a scholarship money. And so she went to off 67 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: its Geryl and she left about seven thirty one of 68 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: her um the girls that was at the paget, named Dana. 69 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: She walked with Tara out to Tara's car and um. 70 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: Despite other reports and stuff, a few recent reports in 71 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: the last six months, Tara was in good spirits and 72 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: and Tara told her that she had to go to 73 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: her boss BBC. Right, it was was that her was 74 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: that the Prince School principal or their superintendent of schools? 75 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: It was the superintendent of the school. Right. Did he 76 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: refuse to take a DNA test? Yes, but he refused, 77 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: he refused, But they got it anyhow how did they 78 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: get it? They would never tell me. But you know what, 79 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: it's so it's so easy to get DNA. You know, 80 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: you watch somebody a restaurant. The minute they get up, 81 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: you go get their glass. Bam done. You know, a 82 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: lot several cases and I've researched this have been solved. 83 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: There's the pizza case where they got somebody to eat 84 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: pizza and then the left over crust. They got DNA 85 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: off of it. You can get DNA office stamp. I've 86 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: got DNA in a case I tried out of spit 87 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: that somebody spit on the ground and actually on the 88 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: victim off a cigarette. But it ain't brain surgery. Okay, 89 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: So they got DNA from him. You know. That left 90 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: him under a cloud of suspicion because he refused to 91 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: give d N a but he, as it turns out, 92 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: he had absolutely nothing to do with this. I had 93 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: to go ahead, but he was I mean, I had 94 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: him on my radar for a long time and he 95 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: refused to talk to me in six anyway, she went 96 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: to his barbecue, arriving about eight o'clock PM, and she 97 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: had a good time. She was chatting and stuff and 98 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: she um. During that time at the barbecue, she received 99 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: a number of phone calls. Wait a minute, did she 100 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: arrive and leave alone? Yes? Okay, she arrived at eight 101 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: o'clock PM something. The phone calls, they claimed with paget 102 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: girls calling her to thank her and everything. But about 103 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: ten twenty she received a phone call and that was 104 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the detective from Perry, Georgia and he still had a 105 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: crush on her. Yeah, they were seeing each other anyway. 106 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: They said the goodbyes and she said I love you too. 107 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: That was at ten twenty. So she left around eleven 108 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: o'clock and it's zero point seven tenths of a mile 109 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: from the house to her house. She drove back to 110 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: her house and she was She was never seen since. Wow, 111 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was such a short distance. Dr Godwin. 112 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: So this is what I know. I know that she 113 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: was a neat freak, and I know that on her 114 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: her vehicle when they when police looked at it after 115 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: she was reported missing, it was covered in mud and 116 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: she would never have done that, and that the driver's 117 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: seat had been pushed back, which all you ladies you 118 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It is so irritating you get 119 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: in your car and your husband or some guy has 120 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: been in it and I can't even I'm only five one. 121 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: I can't even touch the gas. Okay. So they noticed 122 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: that immediately she lived alone, so who else that evening 123 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: had driven her car and gotten it filthy? There were 124 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: items in her vehicle that you would expect to be 125 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: stolen if somebody had taken a joy ride or tried 126 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: to steal. Yeah, in the center console. And not only that. 127 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: In her bedroom, h there were reportedly a string of 128 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: pearls on the floor that had been broken, and there 129 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: was an injury to one of the posts on her bed. Yeah, 130 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: I found that. Oh you were the one that found that. 131 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: Please describe that for me. Surprisingly, I was down on 132 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: the floor crawling. She had the old timmy wooden floor 133 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: and they were varnished and stuff. But I was down 134 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: on the floor crawling and I saw I saw the 135 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: bed at the end on the side she slept was 136 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: split right into and the piece was laying in the 137 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: middle of the bed star I mean under the bed, 138 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: in the middle of the floor, under the bed. Also 139 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: under there was a big, a whole box full of 140 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: letters and everything from her ex boyfriend, uh Marcus, and 141 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: it had some dust on it. I'm not sure why 142 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: GB I didn't collect any of that, you know. Also, 143 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: a lamp was the skew. A lamp shade was a 144 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: skew and she would let me let me just say 145 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: something about that. It's more than the lamp of shade 146 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: being a skewed. Uh. The actual plastic lamp socket, the 147 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: bulk socket were screwed into, was actually broke and the 148 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: and uh completely bent to the right and broken, and 149 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: that plastic piece was found. I found it under the bed. 150 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing that you found all this and 151 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: police didn't. So let me understand another fine points here. 152 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: The the bedpost that was broken and the piece of 153 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: it was under the bed. Was it near the lamp, 154 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: the broken lamp. No, No, it was at the foot. 155 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Was it on the same side, Yeah, So it seems 156 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: as if the struggle may have started at the the struggle, 157 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: whether it started, that was between the bedpost and the 158 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: lamp on the same side that she slept on, as 159 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: if she may have been getting into bed and then 160 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: a struggle ensued. That's in the bedroom, that's correct. You know. 161 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: I went down there and looked all over town, searched 162 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: everything I could, went through her house, went through her yard. Oh, 163 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: speaking of her yard, doctor Godwin, what was found in 164 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: her yard about ten ft from the concrete front porch, 165 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: as you walked directly out of the front door, laying 166 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: um right on the edge in pine straw. And the 167 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: grass um was a flesh color white, a latex glove one. 168 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: And if you go back and look at the original 169 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: photographs from the g b I, from all that glove 170 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: and stuff, if you go back and look at it, 171 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: the glove just wasn't laying on top of the pine straw. 172 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: Somebody had pulled back the pine straw. And you know 173 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: under a new pines stroll on the top is dark brown, 174 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: black type pine straw. Somebody had pulled that back some too, 175 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: almost to the ground. The glove was laying in a 176 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: little valley so so it just didn't fall out and 177 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: land on the on the pin stroll. There was a 178 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: little pull out area where that somebody had taken their 179 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: fingers and raped it back a little bit, and and 180 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: that glove was laying in in there and that They 181 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: did DNA analysis on that and it came back uh 182 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: to a full DNA profile or white male. But the 183 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: problem is, and they never knew who the white male was. No. 184 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: Over eleven years they entered it into Kotas they entered 185 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: to the Georgia DNA they and never got a hit. Okay, 186 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: hold on, before I get to the very the very 187 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: most recent. How did you get involved in the case 188 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: one of the dog holenders uh that was working in 189 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: OH five? UM we he and I had worked in 190 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: the Drew Schoden case UH South Dakota, North Dakota, and 191 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: he knew me and everything. So he told TERA's sister 192 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: and need about me and UM and she contacted me 193 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: in UM the first February of oh six, and I 194 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: didn't take the case because I was busy. She contacted 195 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: me about three weeks later, and I took the case 196 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: and then I went down in March of o six. 197 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: So you were contacted then by Tarra Grinstead's family. What 198 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: were you able to uncover? And it's amazing to me, 199 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: and this is no slight against your skills, which are 200 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: actually renowned, but it's amazing to me that cops didn't 201 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: find the splintered bed post piece and the broken lamp piece. 202 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean to me, that's very significant. Well, there was 203 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: also she was studying to get into the PhD program, 204 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: so she had one of those thick g R E 205 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: books okay that was laying on the floor under the 206 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: edge of the bed. And had dust on it that 207 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: was still there. I'm just soaking all this in. How 208 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,599 Speaker 1: did they miss it all? Doctor? I don't know that 209 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: the rug, the rug beside her bed, I pulled it up. 210 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: Now you know, it had been like four much. But 211 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: the thing is I pulled a rug up and in 212 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: the in the rubber back in some of the a 213 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: lot of it pulled off. They were stuck to that 214 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: varnished floor. So uh, it had never been pulled up 215 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: With me is Dr Maurice Godwin, a doctor whose specialty 216 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: is forensics and psychology. He was actually employed hired by 217 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: Tara Grinstead's family to get to the truth of what 218 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: happened to their beautiful girl, A pageant beauty queen and 219 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: brainy as well. Beauty queen turned history teachers seeking her 220 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: pH d who went to college based on beauty pageant 221 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: scholarship money. 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I want to 249 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: get back to Dr Maurice Godwin. Dr Godwin, so years 250 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: pass and I think everybody really looked at Marcus the boyfriend. 251 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: They had a very volatile relationship. He was a cop. 252 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: He had a certain degree of power in town. Uh. 253 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: You know, cops certainly know where to hide a body. 254 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: And there's no shortage, you know, within an hour or 255 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: two hours of Oscilla, there is thousands of acres of 256 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: swamp land, waterways, you name it. Everyone kind of suspected 257 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: him because that's just the way of the world. Statistics 258 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: show when a woman is murdered or goes missing, it's 259 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: very likely her partner, her ex husband, boyfriend, our partner, 260 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: and so he naturally came under suspicion. Boy was everybody wrong? Then? 261 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: What happened? Dr Godwin? Well, there was also um the 262 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: person the detective she was seeing too, So he was 263 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: a he was as right, the guy from Perry, Georgia, 264 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: and he was the last one that we know talked 265 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: to her on the phone that night, that's right when 266 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: she got back home that night. She she just disappeared 267 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: and the glove was found out there and the g B. 268 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean, what happened was is, um, she didn't show 269 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: up Monday morning at work, and so the the elderly 270 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: couple next door. He was a counselman, so he had 271 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: the chief's cell phone number in his cellphone, so he 272 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: called the Chief of Azila and um, he came over there, 273 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: and Joe had a key to the house, so he 274 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: went in and uh and didn't see anything. And he 275 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: came back out and death and Joe saw the glove 276 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: laying on the pin straw, like the Chief said back then, 277 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: trying to find a needle in the haystack. We don't 278 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: even know where the haystack is. Dr Maurice Godwin finally 279 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: led to a very recent arrest after years passing. I 280 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: imagine her parents are just about giving up because when 281 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: I met with her mom, her mom looked so burdened 282 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: and so, I mean, she's a lovely lady. I guess 283 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: that's where Tara got her good looks, but she just 284 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: her demeanor was just so like she was carrying the 285 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: weight of the world on her shoulder. I think he 286 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: played a role into her health going Dwynlyn definitely. You know, 287 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: people say that you can die of a broken heart, 288 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: and I don't think that's altogether wrong. Now, medical doctors 289 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: will disagree with you, but frankly, what do they know. 290 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: Um back to the break in the case. I did 291 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: not see this coming. I did not. Of course. I 292 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: assume that you should look at her current students, you know. 293 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: I just as soon I can tell you what myself. 294 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: And oh fifteen, I was on a national show on 295 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: this and Anita was on there too, and I made 296 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: a comment about the g B. I said, after ten years, 297 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to change the strategy. You're gonna have 298 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: to do something, you know, until they are arrested. Ryan 299 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: and had that one press conference that there was never 300 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: any press conference about Tara at all in eleven years. 301 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me. I know, I know you, and 302 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: you never I said, you need to change your strategy. 303 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: So when I got back home, hold on just a moment, 304 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: doctor Dr Murray Scott win with me. Listen to that announcement. 305 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: On Saturday, October twenty two and two thousand five, Tera 306 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: Grinstead went missing from her residence. The Ocello Police Department 307 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: responded to her residence immediately they suspected foul play. Additional 308 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement resources were requested. The Irwin County Sheriff's Office 309 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: and the g b I came in and began a 310 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: search at Terra's house. The troubling thing when you're working 311 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: an investigation into a missing person's case is that there's 312 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: generally very little evidence. Terra's home was searched extensively for 313 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: several days, which produced little physical evidence. As with all 314 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: missing person cases, the investigation started focusing on terraces, close friends, 315 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: and associates. Terra was very well known in this community 316 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: and well liked in her community, so she had many 317 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: contacts and friends in various parts of the community. As 318 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: the hours turned into days, days in two weeks, weeks 319 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: in two months, and eventually months into years, the search 320 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: efforts never ceased. Through these eleven plus years, the GBI 321 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: and other law enforcement officers have received hundreds and hundreds 322 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: of tips. The gb I handles unsolved cases in the 323 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: same manner we handled our active investigations. All open files 324 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: are reviewed every couple of months. That way, we do 325 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: not let we do not have cold cases. Each and 326 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: every tip that came in was vetted and checked against 327 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: what we had already done in this investigation. Interviews were conducted, 328 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: searches were executed, multiple DNA samples were collected. Each lead 329 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: was thoroughly exhausted. Unfortunately, all of these leads ended with 330 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: a dead end until the last couple of days. A 331 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: few days ago, an individual came forward and reported that 332 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: they had information into terrorist disappearance. This information made it 333 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: to my office. In our case, Agent Jason Shadell was 334 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: in out to conduct an interview. This interview generated several 335 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: more interviews, which was followed up by the rest of 336 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: our office here. Through these interviews enough probable cause was 337 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: discovered so we could swear out and a rest warrant 338 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: charging Ryan Alexander Duke with the murder of Tara Grinstead. 339 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Duke was taken into custody yesterday afternoon and the warrant 340 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: was issued this morning. So that's the announcement you're talking about, 341 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: Dr God. But who who saw this coming? I mean, 342 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: this guy never caused a problem at school. They did 343 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: not have a relationship. I mean I got into it 344 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: the other day at crime con when it was suggested 345 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: that she had some kind of illicit sex relationship with 346 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: this guy one of her students. No, I don't believe 347 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: that for a minute. If there was all and I 348 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: do believe sex maybe was the motive behind all this, 349 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: but it was against her will. I think you're right 350 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: about that, because if they wanted to steal something, I mean, 351 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: they could have done it, and I don't. I think 352 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: you're right about that. And I really am angry about 353 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: suggestions that she was in the wrong place, that she 354 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: went quote went somewhere she shouldn't have. That really made 355 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: me mad. And doctor Godwin, you should have seen the 356 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, thank you, the uproar, the uproar. 357 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: I should have had you up there on that panel. 358 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: The uproar that erupted at crime Con when it was 359 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: suggested that she had a relationship to me that it 360 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: was being suggested that he had some kind of sex 361 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: relationship with this boy. I think I think what it 362 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: was wasn't really saying that. I think he was saying 363 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: because because she was an emotional wreck over Marcus and 364 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: and that made her voteable. Uh And and I don't 365 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: think that was anything. Uh. I think maybe he was 366 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: saying I think maybe she would go she would have 367 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: taken a risk and gone some word not to have 368 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: sex that thing, but gone some wre that put herself 369 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: at risk. Amante. She was just on the phone with 370 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: the the current boyfriend from Perry. Now this whole thing 371 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: with the ex Marcus, the volatile relationship was on again, 372 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: off again then and he was a cop. Then enter 373 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: the detective in Perry, a nearby town. She was currently 374 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: seeing him. I mean nothing, ever, and I said, I 375 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: taught while I was waiting to get into law school. 376 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: Nothing would make me interested in a thirteen year old 377 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: boy except to tell him to sit down and shut up. 378 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: Uh no, no, Uh, this woman, Terry Grant said, I'm 379 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: just telling you a beauty queen getting her PhD Uh. 380 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: She did not was not interested in some history students 381 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: she had three years before. N Oh, I think everything 382 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: was against her. Or you notice one thing about the 383 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: charges and stuff. If they had any evidence that she 384 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,479 Speaker 1: was taken while she was alive from the house, they 385 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: were to charge kidnapping and there's no kidnapping charges. Well, 386 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, I disagree. Well, well, let me let 387 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: me rephrase. I don't know that I disagree with what 388 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: you said, but I think that they know they cannot 389 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: prove a kidnapping. I do not think that, Terra Grinstead, 390 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean you take in the lamp, the broken lamp, 391 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: the broken bed post, the pearls uh, the car all 392 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: covered in mud and the seat kicked back. She did 393 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: not go anywhere willingly. But that in itself, in their minds, 394 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: may not be enough to prove kidnapping. So just because 395 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: they don't indict it for kidnapping doesn't mean it ain't. 396 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: So I want to get back to how did this 397 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: guy go under the radar? This student she had three 398 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: or four years before she goes missing. Who is this guy? 399 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: Where did he come from? And how did he get busted? Well, 400 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: let me just say this. When I was talking about 401 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: changing strategies I got back, you know, fifteen, I said. 402 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: I was telling the GB I that, and so I 403 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: need to change my own strategy after ten years. And 404 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: so that's when I saw the post in January o 405 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: six on web slutes from Pain and I said, well, 406 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: maybe here's my strategy after all this long time. Maybe 407 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: I can use a big the media like a podcast 408 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: or something that can help this in the case. So 409 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: I agreed to work with him, and we started the 410 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: podcast and stuff and I think it played a role 411 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: in um and fleshing out this uh bo dukes in 412 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: rhyme do um and so that's that that that was 413 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: my strategy, uh, the changing strategy and stuff. UM. And 414 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: I believe if we the podcast had never been done, 415 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: I don't believe there would have ever been in arrest 416 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: for a long time. I think he may be right 417 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: about that. Dr Maurice Godwin. So what can you tell 418 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: me about the man arrested Ryan? Um? Uh, he went 419 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: in the military. Uh, but after boot count stuff, he 420 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: was he was released for some reason. What is his 421 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: full name, Ryan Alexandra Duke. Because I don't really refer 422 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: to killers by their excuse me, alleged killers by their 423 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: first names. I'm not really on a first name basis 424 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: with him or O j or Jody or top mom. 425 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: So all right, I thought maybe I lost my mind 426 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: when he said Ryan. His name is Ryan Alexander Duke. Okay, 427 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: back to him. Who is this guy? Uh? Well, he 428 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: was a former student. He went in the military for 429 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: some reason. After boot count he got out, so he 430 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: never really went he just went to boot camp basically. Yeah. 431 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: Then he had um he was you know, employed, unemployed. Um, 432 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: just hanging around a scilla. Um, I think he had 433 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: a drinking problem, and I'm not sure about a heavy 434 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: drug problem. But he had a drinking problem and he 435 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: was living in october O five with Bow Dukes in Fitzgerald. 436 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: He comes from um more of an unstable background, uh 437 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: and everything. Of course, I'm not quite short fullly aware 438 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: of Bow's background, but Ryan did not come from any 439 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: privilege or any kind of money or anything like that. 440 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: Well that's pretty much all of us, Dr Godwin. So 441 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: what do you think happened and why how did he 442 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: get busted? I understand someone walked into the police department, 443 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: the local police department. He gave a tip. Yes, Um, 444 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: my understanding is is that Bow was a dating a 445 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: girl and um, they have been dating over a year 446 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: at this time, so I'm not quite sure if she 447 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: knew before February of seventeen. Anyway, she found out and 448 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: she mentioned it to her mom, and it's my understanding 449 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: her mom uh went to law enforcements. So he the roommate, 450 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: says something to his girlfriend about Ryan. Alexander Duke though 451 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 1: about the um the disappearance and what happened to Tara. Oh, 452 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: he didn't say he did it. Uh, I'm not quite 453 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: sure if he told her or not, but he said 454 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: he knew about it. Anyway, she took it and went 455 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: to her mother and or or mentioned it in in 456 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: passing to her mother, and her mother went to law 457 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: enforcement and uh, then then that's when everything Brother, they 458 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: approached him, they had to get evidence on it, so 459 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: they went to him, and he just he threw Ryan 460 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: under the under the bus. So the mother of the 461 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: girlfriend goes to Cups. Cups go to Ryan Alexander Duke 462 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: and then what happens we don't know because of the 463 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: gaggle or we don't know if the DNA on the 464 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: globe matches Ryan or anyone. So we don't know at 465 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: but they must have a probable cost based on Bo's testimony, 466 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean a Bo's uh you know interview, and then 467 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: they I think maybe they got some um you know, 468 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: sort of small confession from Ryan. And then they made 469 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: the arrest of Ryan. Where why were they digging in 470 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: a pecan orchard? Well, because that's that was that's owned 471 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: by Bo's uncle and stuff. And and supposedly after the 472 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: killing or somehow she got out either she was carried 473 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: out there or or somehow she was already out there. 474 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: But that's where No, I mean, you can't. I don't 475 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: think that her bedroom would be so disheveled if she 476 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, so she went home. Okay, yeah, 477 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: she went home. I think she to me in my 478 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: in my opinion, I think she was attacked into bedroom 479 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: and they got her from there and uh or killed 480 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: her there and carre and carre of body back to 481 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald and went to the pecan or and she stayed 482 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: supposed to there for like a day or whatever, and 483 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: then they, uh they burned her up, embarrassed her. Okay, 484 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: slow down, tell me that again. What's your scenario they 485 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: went after she was killed, that she was carried back 486 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: to Fitzgerald. They was, she was taken over to the 487 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 1: pecan orchard and she was burned up and then she 488 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: was buried. What are you basing on the burning up? Well, 489 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: this is our bows um, what he has told people, 490 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: and that this what's out there. Yes, and plus they've 491 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: only they only found small fragments of bones and stuff 492 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: like that, but she was she was definitely burned. But 493 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: why do you say that? How do you know Tara 494 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: Grinstead was burnt Well, based on what Bow and then 495 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: was said. Okay, now let me ask you this. Do 496 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: you believe Bow was with right Alexander when all this occurred? 497 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: I think I think bose the killer and I think 498 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: that I think that she was sexually assaulted in what 499 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: better way to get rid of a forensic evidence than 500 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: burning the body? Well, then what role does Ryan Alexander 501 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: Dup play in it? I think he's very suggestible and uh, 502 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: I think that he don't even I don't even think 503 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: that he really even knows. But um, but I think 504 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: Ryan is a follower Bow as a leader, and I 505 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: just think they were the Bow. Well, isn't it true 506 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: that Bo claims in text messages that Ryan Alexander Duke 507 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: told him he killed Tera in her own bed. Uh, 508 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: that's what he said, That's right, with one hit. Uh? 509 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: But I mean supposedly Bo said that that Saturday night 510 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: there was a people in his house and Fitzgerald and 511 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: they all was drinking. They passed out except except Ryan, 512 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: and Ryan took his truck to a sailing and killed 513 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: her and brought her back. And then suddenly I guess 514 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: Bo woke up or something, but he told him that 515 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: he had what he'd done, and he had her in 516 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: the truck and so. But Bou claims that he didn't 517 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: see her for until Wednesday. He didn't see the body. 518 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: He went out there and she was bloated up and stuff. 519 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all, I think he I mean, 520 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: I don't think Ryan picked out bows a family land 521 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: to put her on on his own will. I think 522 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: that Bow was behind uh, he was behind the word 523 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: that body was dumped at. And you believe that Bow 524 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her? I believe, Oh yeah, I believe it absolutely. 525 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Now in the text exchanges that have now been revealed, 526 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: Bow has actually described watching Tera Grinstead's body burning. Is 527 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: that true now? He Bow claims it was two full 528 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: days after the killings that Duke his roommate, showed him 529 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: terras naked body in the pecan orchard, and that it 530 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: was his idea to burn the body. That does not 531 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: ring true to me. If somebody came and said to me, 532 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: I've got Alan Duke lurking somewhere on this this program. 533 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: I am here. Alan. If you were to come tell me, hey, 534 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: I've got a naked body out of my truck bed, 535 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: you think I'd wait two days to go a look 536 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: at it. Uh in Oh that that's that's just down 537 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: right not true right there. I agree with you, Dr 538 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: god when I agree, Yeah, there's there's a lot that 539 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: the doctor Godwin has been able to uncover along with 540 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: the others working what what sticks out to you? The 541 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: thing that sticks out to me and it's a really 542 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: concern and the reason that that I think Dr god 543 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: might think that Bow is implicated more than more than 544 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: he's admitting to. Is this whole thing about the statute 545 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: of limitations. Could you go into that with us, Dr Godwin. See, 546 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: supposedly they got a call, uh probably a week or 547 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: two or something afterwards she went missing. Uh, they got 548 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: a call the Herble County Sheriff's department and supposedly, uh, 549 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: two deputies went to the county line ben Hill county 550 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: line where which is what Fitzgerald's at, and supposed to 551 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: they went out there and drove around and searched. Of 552 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: course there's like three They didn't find anything, so they 553 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: just left around the pecan orchard. But there's there's no 554 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: really record of that search. But supposedly the whole thing 555 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: for this is to suggest that law enforcement somehow knew 556 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: about um somebody could out there at a bomb fire 557 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: and stuff. Confessination. We getting way out in the weeds here. 558 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: You asked about st atute of limitations. Problem if the 559 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: statute in a murder case, people, I'm not not murder, 560 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: but about when it's about when um she was found, 561 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: if law enforcement knew about it, Does the statute of 562 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: limitation start then? Or are you trying to say, I'm sorry, 563 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: I can't make sense of what the two of you 564 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: were saying. You were saying, first of all, First of all, 565 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: there is no statute of limitations. Uh. Statute of limitation 566 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: simply means this, say I run into Walmart and I 567 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: steal a set of towels. Okay, there's a statute of 568 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: limitations during which I can be prosecuted on a theft 569 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: by taking it's probably five years. After five years, if 570 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: they don't get me, those towels are mine and I'm 571 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: home free. That's a statue of limitation. But I think 572 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: the question is when does that start? What? What if 573 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: law enforcement didn't know anything about that? The off, when 574 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: does that statute limitation start? This? Okay, first of all 575 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: in murder, but this is about both I understand you, 576 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: but are you telling me, the two of you actually 577 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,760 Speaker 1: telling me you don't think Bou had anything to do 578 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: with it. They don't have the evidence on him, apparently 579 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: we don't know because of the gag that right to 580 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: a jury and let a jury decide. But together, he's 581 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: only charged in ben Hill. He's not charged in Urban County, 582 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: not for now with hiding the body, right, disposing the body. Yeah, 583 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: what casilla evidence and hiding the body and all that 584 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: is not right now, but that can be amenda. So anyway, 585 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: the statute in hiding the body would likely start at 586 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: the time of the murder. Now on hiding a body. 587 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 1: The hiding hiding a body of course is not murder. 588 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: But if you're charged with accessory to murder that they 589 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: don't have that in Georgia. You know what, You're right, 590 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: So he'd have to be charged with co defendant and 591 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: have to be charged as a co defendant and murder. 592 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: And I think that's what they're working on right now. 593 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: I think that's what's going on behind the things, But frankly, 594 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing. Well. The Polae deal 595 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: or the the he apparently had bow Bow Dukes had 596 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: some arrangement with the district attorney the prosecutors to be 597 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: a state witness. But is that still holding, Dr Godwin, 598 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: I'll tell you I don't. I don't think so, because 599 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: you know he was a ragin not too long ago. 600 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: So Dr Godwin, you feel firmly that they have found 601 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: enough of her body to prove a murder charge, you know, 602 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: because often said if you don't have a body, you 603 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: can't prove the case. That's entirely not true. But you 604 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: believe they have found enough bone fragments to prove what 605 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: happened to Terra. I believe that they are found enough 606 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: remains to prove that it is Tera, to prove that 607 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: it is Terra. And the fact that her bones are 608 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: fragmented shows a lot where that comes from decomposition over 609 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: the twelve years and to burning. You won't be no 610 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: autopsy because there's nothing autopsy. The manner of death you 611 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: have to base it on somebody's word. Not manner death, 612 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean the mechanism of death like smothering or stranglation. 613 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: You have to just base it on Bow's word or 614 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: or I don't know if Ryan said that or not 615 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: in a confession. You're just gonna have to base it 616 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: on that. Well, I'd hate to base anything or what 617 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: these two may say. What is Terra's family reaction to this? Well, 618 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: they're thrilled about the rest and they want the monsters 619 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: to go to prison. And what do people in Oscilla 620 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 1: think of this? Do they think they've got the right guy? Yes? 621 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: I think the people have said of glad there was 622 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: a rest, and I think they're glad. They'd be glad 623 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: when this whole thing is overwhelm. Let me ask you this, 624 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: do you think this should be a death penalty case? 625 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: Because I I'm glad to hear that. I'm really glad 626 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 1: to hear that. Now. Of course it have to move 627 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: the case out of Oscilla, that's just given. The defense 628 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: is going to ask for a change of venue. But 629 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: when do you believe this will go to trial? A year? Mm? 630 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: Hmmm a year? And do you think bou Dukes, the roommate, 631 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: is ultimately going to give States evidence against Ryan Alexander Up. Yeah, 632 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: he's got a problem with defense. He's got a problem 633 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: because I mean the defense attorney he's got all the 634 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: files now which were thirty ft that they were thirty 635 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: ft long, the GBI files, and his heys was thirty 636 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: ft long before their arrest. So he's got all those files. 637 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: Now he's gonna try to get one person a reasonable 638 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: doubt on that jury that Ryan did this himself and 639 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: try to implicate BO. So with all he's posting, all 640 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: his screenshots, he can be easily and me ask you, 641 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: Dr Godwin, what would have made Ryan Alexander Duke do 642 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: such a thing. If you don't believe they had a 643 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: sex relationship, which I do not, why would he leave 644 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: a party and go kill Tara Grinstead or try to 645 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: assault her and then kill her. I think it's more 646 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: like both of them were riding around and possibly saw 647 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: her coming home. Yeah, that's right. Now, there might be 648 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: another motive behind that, but I don't know it. So 649 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: your scenario is that they're out riding around, they see her, 650 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: or they go by her house. I mean she would 651 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: have recognized Ryan Alexander Duke if he came to the 652 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: door and that's all it took. Yeah, and you know 653 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: there's been mentioned that he used a plastic card or 654 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: something like that to jiggle around and get in into 655 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: the front door. I don't believe that. Why why don't 656 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: you believe that? Because even I can break into a 657 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: door with my driver's license, but i'd I mean, first 658 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: of all, her front porch light was on, and she 659 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: had some Halloween declarations up. I mean, and you know, 660 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: him drinking and stuff. He's standing there with a car 661 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: trying to if she had a piece of wood in 662 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: the molding the brick molding of the door frame and 663 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: stuff all the way down on the left side. Did 664 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: prevents you, So he would have to sit there and 665 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: fiddle with this thing and elate at night and stuff. Uh. 666 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: And do I don't believe that he got in some 667 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: other way or he used a roost uh two and 668 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: she opened the door. And you think this struggle went 669 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,840 Speaker 1: down in her bedroom. He believe I do too, because 670 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: they have it in there. Yeah, they do. It's in 671 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: the indictment. And you believe that he killed her right 672 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 1: there in the bed that's hed put hit her body 673 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: in his truck, took her body to a peaco orchard, 674 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: buried it, burned it and buried it at some point 675 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: they were in her car though at some point, at 676 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: some point possible. Uh. But that's you know, I don't know. Uh, 677 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: you know, it's there's a lot of nuances in this case, 678 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: and stuff. But to me, in my opinion, Bow is 679 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: the reason why that the body was in the pecan 680 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: orchard that chose that location. Ryan did not go out 681 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: there on his own and and and and dump body 682 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: out there, and then then later come back and tell 683 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: Bow later on in a couple of days later. Hey, 684 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, I just put this over your your uncle's land. 685 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. How do you think 686 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: that this is going to play out? Dr Godwin? Well, 687 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: I hope it goes to trial because uh, you know, 688 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: inner and a plea and in reading that you know 689 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,919 Speaker 1: that short narrative, uh you know, and the judge reading 690 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 1: it and stuff, and Ryan agree into it and signing 691 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: off on it and stuff. Well, I think it would 692 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,959 Speaker 1: leave leave a lot of people hanging. So I think 693 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: people in the family are are owed case information, and 694 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: I think that's having a trial is the only way 695 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: to do that. And um, so I think, um hopefully 696 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: that this go to trial, and I think Ryan end 697 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: up getting life without parole, and and I hope that 698 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: that that bo gets a lot more, a lot more 699 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: years than a one or two. Well why not the 700 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: death penalty? Well, I'm not I don't think I don't 701 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: know if he's this is a it's a definitely the case. 702 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: We believe it, but I don't know if they've charged 703 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: with him with that. So yeah, that I don't believe 704 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: they've included avated circumstances. Yeah. Yeah, they probably took it 705 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: off the table as a negotiating thing. Well, they haven't 706 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: negotiated with Ryan Alexander Duke. I don't think. Uh, yeah, 707 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't know about that they have with bow Duke. Yeah, 708 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: because basically, uh, that's the only thing we've they've got, uh, 709 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: except you know, I don't know what the DNA on 710 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,080 Speaker 1: the glove is and we don't have a body to 711 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,399 Speaker 1: get sperm or touch DNA or with no soft tissue left, 712 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: you couldn't get touched DNA anyway. Yeah, And they left 713 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: the jeans, left the jeans in the in the bedroom. 714 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: See where you have that belt. Uh, And I mean 715 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,240 Speaker 1: you know you can do touch DNA and stuff, uh 716 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: from the genes of where you have to grab areas 717 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: and stuff and and so what that stuff was left 718 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: into the clothing was left into bedroom. But the cops 719 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: got it. No, that's where No, that the clothing was. 720 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: The genes were left in the bedroom as far as 721 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: I know. Oh, dear Lord in heaven, where are the 722 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: genes now? I think a lot of the stuff I 723 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 1: win in storage and um and everything. You know, Dr Godwin, 724 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 1: I really hate to hear that. And I don't want 725 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: to trash the cops because they're doing the best they can. 726 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,399 Speaker 1: Yeah they are. But the g B I, the GB 727 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: I should of a different approach during the first five 728 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,840 Speaker 1: years would have made a difference. And the least they 729 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: should have had some type of a conference called a 730 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: conference and and update ever five years or over three 731 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: years or something like that, and they never did that. 732 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: I think, I'll tell you what happened. But you know, 733 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: they had a d n A and and d n A, 734 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: a full DNA and stuff like that makes a lot 735 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: of investigators lazy. So what they do. They don't really 736 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: have anything else, so they just wait for a hit. 737 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:39,760 Speaker 1: With me is a renowned forensic psychologist who was hired 738 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: by Tera Grinstead's family to try to find the truth. 739 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: Dr Maurice Godwin with us as we wait for this 740 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,920 Speaker 1: case to go to trial, and they murder of a 741 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: beautiful young woman, a beauty queen turned PhD candidate, Tara 742 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: Grinstead by Nancy Grace. This describing stories Goodbye Friend,