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Speaker 2: Back here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex for Steelers

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Speaker 2: Mini camp, Tom Offerman and d Matt Williamson. Dale, he

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Speaker 2: had the boogie. He's over there talking to Danny Smith. Now,

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Speaker 2: I don't blame him. I wish I could go over

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Speaker 3: Leave the field right now.

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Speaker 2: Matt, go in and do some lifting, get some food,

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Speaker 2: and practice. Today's actually gonna be later in the afternoons.

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Speaker 3: I assume all week will be that way, which is

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Speaker 2: We wouldn't either, or else they would have take us

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Speaker 3: We do that. So it's kind of just like an

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Speaker 2: This is your marriage of the brand of football and

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Speaker 3: There right playing playing fantasy football, you know, right, And

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Speaker 2: dumpster fire, ten million dollars a fire, that's nothing. That's

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Speaker 2: Doesn't the money when you see that become official, when

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Speaker 3: All, and what if he's really good and what if

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Speaker 2: We're probably going to take a quarterback in the first round. Aaron.

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Speaker 3: Not that he's going to.

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Speaker 2: Win the division and guarantee to playoff win, but I

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Speaker 3: Like, you want to play one more year? Like you

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Speaker 3: But I mean, the fact that he signed a one

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Speaker 3: But you tell people, you're like, oh should There's not

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Speaker 2: But for people that want to say, oh, well, he

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Speaker 3: Especially especially for the deal Fields better now? Yeah? Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I also don't want to hear they just run

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Speaker 2: Look, there is something to what people have been saying

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Speaker 3: This organization are in.

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Speaker 2: A spot with those guys, especially on the defensive side

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Speaker 3: No, no, things move too fast.

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Speaker 2: Owing them is a little bit too strong of a word.

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Speaker 2: But you've built your team up on that side of

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Speaker 2: this if you capitalizing this, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah. And who knows. I mean I might

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Speaker 3: story on June tenth or whatever it is that the

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Speaker 3: old timer has one thing, you know, has has a

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Speaker 3: Buffalo against Josh Allen or Lamar or whoever, and can

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Speaker 3: duel with one of those super human, unbelievable quarterbacks for

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Speaker 2: Like we saw Russ do it with Burrow last year.

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Speaker 2: He had one day where he was able to just

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Speaker 3: Right. I forget what the saying is, but it's something like,

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Speaker 3: then is that good? I'm just intrigued. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: And you've seen I'm sure you've seen this too, and

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a very misleading thing. But the graphic

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Speaker 2: that's been going around of Rogers versus Allan that people

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Speaker 2: have been putting out and they're passing identical from last year,

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Speaker 2: like real yardage, same touchdowns, basically the same amount of interceptions.

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Speaker 2: Now Alan runs like a wildebeast into secondary. It's one

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Speaker 3: You know what, Rogers not that bad of a season, especially.

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Speaker 2: When you're looking at the MVP and he had a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now again he was some of that's a little miss. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Matters a lot. But we kind of did this with

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Speaker 2: in Denver, he wasn't that bad. Same thing with Roder,

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Speaker 2: Like you look at the numbers in New York and

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Speaker 2: the only thing that wasn't really Rogers ish was he

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Speaker 3: And that's that's weird thing. The one thing I was

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Speaker 3: he's not the MVP, four time MVP, one of the

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Speaker 3: best quarterbacks that ever walked the planet guy at this

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Speaker 3: stage and I really dug into this when the Steelers

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Speaker 3: history that have a better touchdown to interception ratio than

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Speaker 3: you know, and if you look at before I even

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Speaker 3: know who Pat Mahomes was. I've been doing this forever,

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Speaker 3: as you know, and I was at ESPN doing podcasts,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we go back to anyone I've ever seen.

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Speaker 3: He was my pick. Now it's Mahomes. But I didn't

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Speaker 3: even know who Pat Mahomes was back then. And a

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Speaker 3: big thing I would say about Rogers then is give

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Speaker 3: me all the Hall of Famers and show me their

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Speaker 3: highlight tape as good as any. This is as good

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Speaker 3: and show me their low light tape, the bad stuff

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Speaker 3: I mean, like his touchdown interception stuff for almost ninety

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Speaker 3: percent of his career was ridiculous. He'd go years without

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Speaker 3: throwing an interception in Green Bay at home, you know,

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Speaker 3: like zero interceptions in that building. I mean crazy stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. Now this past year and his last year

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Speaker 3: it's I think he's over thirty combined in those two seasons.

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Speaker 3: It's not quite that much, Okay, I knew it was

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Speaker 3: like this mid teens.

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Speaker 2: Twelve in Green Bay in his last season. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: Oh, I thought it was even higher than that. I

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the years before and it's crazy four

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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's a handful.

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Speaker 2: He hadn't thrown double digit interceptions.

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Speaker 3: It's a remarkable or twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me?

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Speaker 2: Was when he did it last before that? It was

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Speaker 3: Wow, to me a quick favor. And I know that

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Speaker 3: he's still not he's not twenty eight anymore. But are

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Speaker 3: you are you looking at his career stat Okay? Can

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Speaker 3: you just kind of rattle off touchdowns of interceptions year

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Speaker 2: So two thousand and eight was his first year when

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Speaker 3: And he was a puppy, then puppy, then yeah, and

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Speaker 2: Then he started to become a dude. Thirty touchdowns to

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Speaker 3: This is when it gets crazy, thirty.

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Speaker 2: Nine to eight in a shortened season. He had seventeen

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Speaker 2: and six, then thirty eight and five, thirty one and eight,

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Speaker 3: It's bonkers, right.

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Speaker 2: That's this team's m is protecting the football right right.

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Speaker 2: They've been missing that. Other part of the equation is

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Speaker 3: And I know people are like, boy threw a couple

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Speaker 3: I mean he's not taking sacks, He's not. I think

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Speaker 2: At the upmc rooney Sports Complex. It is day one

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Speaker 2: of Steelers Mandatory Mini Camp. Matt Williamson and Tom Offerman

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. We are joined now by about a special

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Speaker 2: as a guest as you can have all Bob Labriola

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Speaker 2: sitting in for this next segment. Labs, what are your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on Aaron Rodgers in his first official day here

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Speaker 2: as Aaron Rodgers Son.

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Speaker 4: Them. You know, I think it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think it's going to make for a very very

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Speaker 4: interesting season.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm more and more optimistic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean, I you know, I've read

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Speaker 4: a bunch of different things. I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of hate out there, certainly, but uh, you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: And I was here when you guys were finishing up

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Speaker 4: the last segment, okay, and you were talking about some

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Speaker 4: of his statistics and you mentioned, you know, he threw

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Speaker 4: a couple of interceptions against the Steelers. Okay. Well, one

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Speaker 4: of the things that I think has kind of been

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Speaker 4: under the radar slash maybe not appreciated as much about

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Speaker 4: last season for him is, you know, achilles tendon tears

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Speaker 4: are significant injuries and a lot of times and this happened,

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Speaker 4: this happened with Rod Woodson. Sometimes the season you come

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Speaker 4: back after that, it takes you another year to be

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Speaker 4: back to where you used to be or the kind

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Speaker 4: of player you used to be, or close to the

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Speaker 4: kind of player you used to be.

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Speaker 3: You just don't feel right for a long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and trust it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And as I said, it's an achilles tendon injury

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Speaker 4: might be more significant than a you know, an ACL tear.

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Speaker 4: I've heard I think it is some orthopedic stagent say

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Speaker 4: that and you know, certainly for someone uh in their forties,

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Speaker 4: you know, that's that's a significant injury. And so yeah,

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't know that last season should be

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Speaker 4: a definitive barometer in terms of predicting you know, what

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers might do the season because of that situation.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I you know, again, I have no idea

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Speaker 4: how it's gonna turn out. But I think, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's already fun. It's gonna be interesting. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I've seen where who said maybe it was Peyton Manning

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Speaker 4: said you know, if he's if Aaron Rodgers is into it,

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Speaker 4: he can still really No, that was Dan Marino. Dan,

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Speaker 4: I knew it was an all time great who said,

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Speaker 4: you know, if he's into it, he could still really throw.

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Speaker 3: Got We haven't talked about that enough. Tom, we will,

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I I just and hey, maybe this is me trying

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Speaker 4: to talk me talk myself into some things. But the

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Speaker 4: fact that Aaron Rodgers he signed today as mini camp.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday he played in that golf tournament and there were

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Speaker 4: pictures of him Cam and DK Mecca in the golf cart.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that there are guys here, you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of times when someone comes in, uh, they're

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Speaker 4: they're exposed to an entirely new locker room. But I

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Speaker 4: don't think that's necessarily the case here. And I think

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Speaker 4: that there are some people players, I mean by people

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Speaker 4: who are excited, you know, about having him in this

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Speaker 4: locker room because as you mentioned, he can still throw it.

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Speaker 4: He knows how to play. Uh, and if there is

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Speaker 4: going to be throws that maybe have not been in

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Speaker 4: the playbook for the last few years, like for example,

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Speaker 4: last year, people wanted to know, why don't they throw

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Speaker 4: over the middle with Justin or excuse me, Russell Wilson, and.

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Speaker 3: I could because Russell has never thrown over the middle

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Speaker 3: of his whole career.

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Speaker 4: But I mean he couldn't, you know. I saw a

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Speaker 4: photo Steel's photographer Carl Roser, took from the end zone,

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Speaker 4: so you're behind the offense, and it was, you know,

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Speaker 4: Russell Wilson and you the middle of the field. You

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Speaker 4: couldn't see because of the bodies. Yes, the red and

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Speaker 4: Ben used to get pad as past as bad as

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Speaker 4: at the line of scripts too. And you know, Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 4: what's been six five Russell Wilson's seven inches shorter than

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Speaker 4: him nasally.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing about Wilson was when he was younger,

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Speaker 3: he was so quick and twitchy with his feet. He

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Speaker 3: could find that laying and get it out. Now he's

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Speaker 3: a bit behind, and you can't you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: as they all are. And right, you know, he didn't

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Speaker 3: he didn't grow though, right, Yeah, that's that's the one thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean. You you might be able to maintain your

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Speaker 4: quickness or not lose it as much or whatever, maintain

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Speaker 4: your strength, but you're not going to grow.

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Speaker 3: It' not going to grow.

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Speaker 4: So you know, uh, I think that that opens up

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Speaker 4: some things. And you know, I believe Arthur Smith knows

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Speaker 4: what he has with this guy Tom.

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Speaker 3: Something I wanted to mentioned earlier that Labs kind of

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Speaker 3: touched on that. I just want to make sure our

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Speaker 3: audience knows. But by the way, Rogers played all seventeen

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Speaker 3: games last year. It wasn't like he was in and

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Speaker 3: out of the lineup or I mean he went out

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Speaker 3: there every week.

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Speaker 2: Jets were done that he could have just said, you know,

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Speaker 2: they were out of it. The team's like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna go a different direction. Finished the entire season.

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Speaker 3: Or even not start the season. Because he wasn't one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent, you know.

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Speaker 2: Labs Back to what you were saying about recovering from

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Speaker 2: that Achilles injury and how that can be a pretty

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Speaker 2: lengthy timetable. There's a lot of evidence to that. Matt

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Speaker 2: and I have talked about it today already. He played

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Speaker 2: really well at the second half of the season for

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Speaker 2: the Jets when he started to get more removed from

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Speaker 2: that injury and he started to maybe feel.

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Speaker 3: Skin again. And now you're even further removed from that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, and I mentioned Dan Marino. I

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Speaker 4: remember Marino when he came back from that his achilles.

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Speaker 3: So he was an achilles right, yeah, yeah, yeah, he had.

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Speaker 4: To they had to build a thing, like a little

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Speaker 4: spring thing for his foot. So and I'm not saying

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Speaker 4: that that's what happened with Aaron Rodgers. I'm just talking

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Speaker 4: about how serious Achilles injuries can be, especially to football players,

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Speaker 4: not any kind of professional athlete, but certainly professional football players.

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Speaker 4: So again, I would imagine that, you know, he feels

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Speaker 4: better physically than he did at any point last year.

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Speaker 4: And as I said, the guy's resume, you know, certainly

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Speaker 4: speaks for itself. And you know, a guy like him

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Speaker 4: who says Store has a storied a career as he does. Uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, this is a chance for him, you know,

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Speaker 4: ticking up. You know, a lot of his critics, you know,

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Speaker 4: in their eye too super proud.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to end on a crappy note, you know.

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Speaker 4: Right, And so you know, I just think that there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of things that you can look at

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Speaker 4: in terms of this signing, this acquisition, this upcoming season,

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Speaker 4: that that could lead you down an optimistic path. There

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Speaker 4: are certainly if if you if people wanted, if anyone

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Speaker 4: wants to go the other way, you know, there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of that kind of stuff too. And but what

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Speaker 4: I don't think is really up for debate is it's

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Speaker 4: going to be interesting. Yeah, you know, it's going to

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Speaker 4: be interesting. And I'm uh, you know, training camp I

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Speaker 4: gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: Fellas, training camps would be a blast.

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Speaker 4: Well, I wasn't necessarily excited about it, but now you know, practices,

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be things to watch, yeh. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The way he throws the ball is going to open

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Speaker 3: some eyes too. I mean the way he can drop

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Speaker 3: it in and the different arm angles and all the

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Speaker 3: different stuff he can do. Just as a passer is

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Speaker 3: we haven't seen since prime back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know we're not allout to say,

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Speaker 2: really what's happening out here, but not really telling any secrets.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't thrown a football yet in front of our No,

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Speaker 2: he's kind of walking around sheet and just talking to

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Speaker 2: people right now, kind of getting his feet wet. Leen

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Speaker 2: the other quarterbacks handle stuff. But yeah, that first pass

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Speaker 2: that you see him unleash, you'll probably hear the ball.

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Speaker 3: Whiz by you. It's going to have that kind of

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Speaker 3: you know, he's one of the best passers in NFL history,

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Speaker 3: I mean of the throwers of the football, throwers of

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Speaker 3: the football, no question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Now, we talked about him actually being able to

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Speaker 2: see over the offensive line now for a change and

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Speaker 2: use the middle of the field. But his mobility, even

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Speaker 2: though he is removed from that achilles injury, now is

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Speaker 2: a question mark. It's not what it used to be.

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Speaker 3: It got better as the season went on, but it's almost.

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Speaker 2: Still not going to be able to get to that

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Speaker 2: point laps. How important is it for this offensive line

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Speaker 2: to really take a big step forward and protect him

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Speaker 2: and build a nice pocket for him to stay.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and you know the thing with with Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 4: I don't know that you know, mobility, that's not that's

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Speaker 4: not what you're buying when you're buying him at this

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Speaker 4: stage of his career, right, But what he gives you

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Speaker 4: is this is what he gives you when he whether

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Speaker 4: he's under center or in the shotgun, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 4: You know, the recognition, the understanding of what his people

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Speaker 4: are doing. And then you know his experience in the

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Speaker 4: league film study. You know, on a weekly basis, for

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Speaker 4: that opponent, he will know quicker than the guys that

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Speaker 4: the Steelers had last year at quarterbacks, certainly the guys

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Speaker 4: that the Steelers had a quarterback two years ago. Quicker

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Speaker 4: you know where the opening might be, and he doesn't

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Speaker 4: really you know, it's like again, I'm going to go

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Speaker 4: back to Marino. Marino didn't have a lot of mobility either,

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Speaker 4: but quick release. He knew where he wanted to go.

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Speaker 4: He had a gun, he was accurate, and you know,

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Speaker 4: defence's defenses are not going to be able to cheat

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Speaker 4: on him too much. You know, you can't say he

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Speaker 4: can't make this throw, so I don't have to cover

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Speaker 4: my guy that's far down.

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Speaker 3: The sideline, because.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, uh, you want to roll the dice

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Speaker 4: doing that, go for it as opposing defense.

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Speaker 3: So in the first hour, I've really been harping about

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Speaker 3: Rogers above the neck, which I think is elite. Is

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Speaker 3: one of the best ever processors knowledge of the game,

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Speaker 3: understanding the offense, what defense they're trying to do against him.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this is going to happen, but

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Speaker 3: it wasn't that long ago, and the game has not

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Speaker 3: changed that much that the Denver Broncos won the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl with Peyton Manning in his last season, who really

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Speaker 3: couldn't even throw an out route at that point, I mean,

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Speaker 3: and was never the passer Rogers was, but he always

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Speaker 3: had them in the right play, they had a great defense,

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Speaker 3: and he hand the ball off a lot. End of

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Speaker 3: career Lway. End of career Brady, I mean, like putting

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Speaker 3: Rogers with Manning, Brady in Lway is exactly the company

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Speaker 3: he keeps in the all time history books. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's how good he is has been, you know.

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Speaker 4: And the thing with Peyton Manning, though I think his arm.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't well at the end of his career.

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Speaker 4: His arm wasn't what it was when he was in

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Speaker 4: his prime, which which was a next surgery. So I

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Speaker 4: don't think Rogers Aaron Rodgers has that issue.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't either.

654
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: So that's the thing with me.

655
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: He can he can sting you now even more right.

656
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: And it's one of those where I think receivers, you know,

657
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a situation where if you're running a route,

658
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 4: when you turn around, you better have your hands up.

659
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: Yes, because it's all And that's how we started the

660
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: show is he's very very demanding of his receivers too.

661
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: And you're not gonna get football if you're in the

662
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: right place. And they're gonna learn that real quick, I

663
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: bet in the next two days, exactly right. Serious accountability, yes,

664
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: And you know, and even if even if you are

665
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: in the right place, when you come out of your break,

666
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: you better be ready because again, the ball is going

667
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: to be.

668
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: You know, one of the things the past couple of season,

669
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: the previous couple of seasons we talked about, you know, quarterbacks,

670
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 4: the Steelers quarterbacks, maybe not they're waiting for him, the

671
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 4: receiver to be open before delivering the ball.

672
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: Getting kicked off in the NFL, Yeah.

673
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: That's that's that's not going to be an issue this

674
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 4: this season. I'm confident of that.

675
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 3: If you're a see it and throw it passer, you

676
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: have to have a rocket ship for an arm and

677
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: he's the rare combination of not being a see it

678
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: and throw it pass or he's a phenomenal anticipatory passer

679
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: and he's got a rocket ship. Right or right, that's precision,

680
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: you know.

681
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: And DK Metcalf obviously comes in and is the number

682
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: one receiver now for this team. But Matt was mentioning

683
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: earlier today like it's going to be a challenge for

684
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: him too when it comes to handling Rogers because this

685
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: isn't really the type of receiver that he's been in

686
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: his career.

687
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: Is that, you know, not super precise, right, He's more.

688
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna out athlete you down the field and

689
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: throw up a deep ball and I'll jump up and

690
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: I'm bigger and stronger than you.

691
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't disagree. But I also think a

692
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: quarterback like Aaron Rodgers can deal with that because the

693
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: guy is a superior talent. Certainly, radius is big, and

694
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: so you deal with you know, great quarterbacks, you don't

695
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: have to be one kind of specific receiver for them.

696
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: I think that. You know, you look at guys different guys,

697
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: you know, back in the day. You know, I don't

698
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: think Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison were the same kind

699
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 4: of guy, but Peyton Manning knew what they were and

700
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 4: he made that work. Marino the same way with the

701
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 4: Marx brothers. Yeah, you know, there's all kinds of examples

702
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: of this.

703
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: And so Rogers and Adams, Roder, Rogers and Nelson, you know,

704
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: all these guys.

705
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

706
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a history of it himself.

707
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 4: So uh, like I said, I'm gonna keep you know,

708
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: banging me. It's gonna be an interesting season, and you know,

709
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: I'm looking to see how it unfolds. I I I

710
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be fun.

711
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: Speaking of past catchers, do you expect them to add

712
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 3: one more? I'm not sure when or and there's in

713
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: a hurry.

714
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna try. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

715
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 4: they're gonna try. And that's but I'll tell you what

716
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: I would not do. I would not trade my twenty

717
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 4: twenty six number one pick for anything for anyone, for anyone.

718
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: I think that's a that's a quarterback, right, Yeah.

719
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: You use that in a draft to move up for

720
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: a guy for that's it.

721
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that extra third, that extra four.

722
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: Happening this year, right.

723
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: Or McLaurin right, right, If they want a number one

724
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: pick in twenty twenty six, yeah.

725
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: That's the thing that's off the table. One thousand.

726
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: Would they take a twenty twenty seven number one pick?

727
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 4: I'll talk about that, but I'm not giving him a

728
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty.

729
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: Soe I'd still be a little uncomfortable with that too,

730
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: me too.

731
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: Well again, you know, but if if you you know,

732
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: add a guy like him, his age, you know he's in.

733
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: That be a nice receiver room with a guy like that,

734
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: you know.

735
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 4: Again, I'll I'd be willing to listen. But for me,

736
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: a twenty twenty six number one, I'm not.

737
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: Trading that pick for anything at this point, not at

738
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: this point, right.

739
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: Use a draft day, that's different because then you're using

740
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: it to move up. And so you got a one,

741
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: and you know, because I don't know, you know, depending

742
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: on where the Steelers are picking and how high up

743
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: you have to go, and if it could be multiple

744
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: number one picks involved, you might have to give yours

745
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: and another one.

746
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: That's kind of what I'm expecting next year's first in

747
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: the in the future first to get the or whatever. Yeah,

748
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: you need to do that. Let me just say, because

749
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: they're not going to pick five. One last thing they are.

750
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: One last thing about the twenty twenty six draft class.

751
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: I am not at all convinced, slash a certain that

752
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: Manning is coming out.

753
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: I bet he does.

754
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: I lean more towards these stays, right, because that's what

755
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: the Mannings have done in their career. Like they still

756
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: Payton State of Tennessee extra year miss.

757
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 4: He hasn't played a lot. He started two games so far, right,

758
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: And and I owe money. Oh he's right, Yeah, he's

759
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 4: gonna plus family money is right, family.

760
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't think they're.

761
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 4: Hurting, Okay, yeah, and I owe money. And I don't know.

762
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: I mean now the school text can directly pay him.

763
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: Now for for what I heard about Austin and the

764
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: student body. Uh, I'm sure he's having a good time. Right.

765
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: If you've got to be a big man on campus

766
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: starting quarterback for a football team that's in a competition

767
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: for a national championship, Austin, Texas ain't a bad place

768
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: to be that person.

769
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: And the Mannings are so smart that the real recent

770
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 3: trend and this goes back even back to Parcels though,

771
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 3: is more college starts the better. You know, the Trubisky's

772
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: and Haskins and Richardson's that have hardly played at all

773
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: really struggled, where like the bo Nixes and Daniels that

774
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: played six years, there's a lot that's a minor league

775
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: stay in the minors. I mean, I don't think you'll

776
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: see Manning this year.

777
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: And with the Manning thing, like they had storied college careers,

778
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: Peyton and Eli, like you remember Peyton a Tennessee for

779
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: the years. Eli at old Miss was on perfectation for

780
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: the Heisman. Yeah, number one overall picks, like there was

781
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: a big time chapter written about college. I think that

782
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: they will advise them, and they've advised them every step

783
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: of the way. Even if you win the Natty at

784
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: Texas this year, go back, play one more year at Texas.

785
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: It's only going to benefit you. And like you just said,

786
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: Labs making ten million dollars a year.

787
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: The other thing is too, if he's as good as

788
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: everyone thinks he is, which apparently he is, you're not

789
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: gonna get to the first overall pick.

790
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: Now, you know, like somewhere else.

791
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: I mean, even this year, the Titans weren't trading off

792
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: cam Ward. I mean, getting to one is really really tough.

793
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: You've got to get to seven. You got to get

794
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: the eight right. But since he wasn't trading for Burrow.

795
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, though, is if you're looking for a

796
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 4: quarterback in the first front and one as many fish

797
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 4: in the pond as possible.

798
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: Absolutely no doubt. It looks like there's a lot I've

799
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: been doing a lot of homework, but we'll see exactly.

800
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 3: I know weren't get ahead of myself.

801
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: I'm just saying that the automatic assumption that you know

802
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 4: Manning's going to be in the first overall pick, I

803
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 4: just I think that that's kind of a guess at

804
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 4: this point.

805
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet it's a long shot too. I'm with

806
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: you before we let you go, Labs.

807
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: So how do you think the running game is going

808
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: to do supporting a Rod this year? We talked earlier

809
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 2: today that the Jets ran the ball the fewest amount

810
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: of times than any team in the NFL last year.

811
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 2: That's not a good formula when you have an aged

812
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: quarterback like that. The Steelers will not be at the

813
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: bottom of the leagu running the ball.

814
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: No Arthur Smith. That's not his you know, that's not

815
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: in his DNA. I think that, you know, Matt, you

816
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 4: mentioned and I kind of blew it off about the

817
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 4: offensive line. The importance of the offensive line. I think

818
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: we can go back to that now, and yes, that

819
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: might be you know, when you're looking at the unit

820
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: that might have to step up the most, is that unit.

821
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: Maybe even more in the run game than the past game?

822
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 4: Well? What, yeah, you know whatever, yes, and so yeah,

823
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: and I just don't think that. You know, the Steelers

824
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 4: want to play bully ball and it starts with the

825
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 4: offensive line. I'm really excited about Caleb Johnson too, and

826
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 4: Jalen Warren too. This is his an opportunity for him

827
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 4: a to be a starter b too. You know, I

828
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: don't know how the division of labor is going to

829
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: work in terms of the running back rotation once the

830
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: regular season begins, but I will tell you this, and

831
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 4: this is partly because of Aaron Rodgers, but also partly

832
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: because this is what it takes to play that position

833
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 4: in the NFL. You have to know how to pass block.

834
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that Caleb Johnson, there is any

835
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: doubt in my mind that he would not be willing,

836
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: but at Iowa you gotta prove it though, right well,

837
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 4: at Iowa. I mean he has not seen a lot

838
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 4: of the you know, disguises, fake blitzes. And in the NFL,

839
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 4: if you make half a step to the wrong direction,

840
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: that guy coming off the other side is gonna is

841
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: gonna free shot. And you know you cannot have that.

842
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: The coordinators are pretty smart and they're gonna challenge that

843
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: back and what I want and.

844
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: You know, with Caleb Johnson, I don't think it's gonna

845
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 4: be a challenge, a physical challenge. I think it's gonna

846
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 4: be a recognition challenge.

847
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: The angles and the timing and last thing, and I

848
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 3: keep referencing these all time great QUI quarterbacks. I would

849
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: love to see an end of l Way career. You know,

850
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: Terrell Davis, Terrell Davis, Terrell Davis. John make us five

851
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: big throws in this game. Third and eight, we're gonna

852
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: need you, but first and ten. Just get us in

853
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: the right play and hand it to the back. You know, yeah,

854
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 3: don't think we have Terrell Davis.

855
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: But I get your point, right, Like, it's got to

856
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: be the same mentality.

857
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: A volume running game though, too.

858
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, you want, as I said, you want

859
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: to play attrition football. And I also think though that

860
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: you know, once you start pounding the opposing defense, you know,

861
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: you loosen that up to you start bringing guys up

862
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 4: closer to the box, and then those seams down the

863
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 4: you know, down the numbers.

864
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, because that's what happened at Super Bowl forty five.

865
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: I wasn't so much their running game, the Packers running

866
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: game that cost the Steelers that Super Bowl. In my mind,

867
00:40:53,840 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 4: it was the player safety initiative and because teams couldn't

868
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: do that to the Steelers defense until that happened, until

869
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: they started, you know, taking those plays out of the game.

870
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that was a bad thing or anything.

871
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: That was the reality. You know, you could not do

872
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: to those receivers in twenty ten what the Steelers did

873
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: to them in two thousand and eight.

874
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: And they took advantage right as the league, right.

875
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 4: As a smart quarterback slash offensive coordinator, you know, play

876
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 4: caller would do. You took advantage of that.

877
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 3: And boy, that's the right word for Rogers. I keep saying.

878
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: I mean, how many times on Mondayay football we watched

879
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: the team trying to get the let's get our defensive

880
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: personnel out there, and he burns you. I mean, he

881
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: gets the penalty and he takes a shot downfield, and

882
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: he takes advantage of every tiny little thing you can

883
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 3: on the field as well as any quarterback I've ever seen.

884
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: And now the coach has been as kryptonite as far

885
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: as that quick too many men on the field penalty

886
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 2: is concerned.

887
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: He's on his own sideline.

888
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: Now.

889
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: Tollin was the one at the quick timeouts against him

890
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: a couple of times.

891
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: Doesn't have to worry about that area teamed up now, Yeah,

892
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: you jump off side, he's taking a shot.

893
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 4: You know.

894
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: Thanks for taking some time with us.

895
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lab was great, You'll be back talk more, Rogers.

896
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: Let's talk about him throwing the football to wrap up

897
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 2: the hour.

898
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, we didn't enough, just as a path we're

899
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 3: talking about. So we'll get into that.

900
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: Work our way through the eleven o'clock hour, one more

901
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: hour after that, and then practice is underway right around

902
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: one for the Pittsburgh Steelers. It's day one of mandatory

903
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: mini camp and we are live from the upmc rooney

904
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,120
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905
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:33,240
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906
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:34,520
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907
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,120
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908
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,319
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909
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,040
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910
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: Tom off from It and Matt Williamson.

911
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: Here at Mandatory Mini camp at the upmc rooney Sports Complex.

912
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: Our thanks to labs for giving us some time in

913
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: the last segment.

914
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, good show, Matt.

915
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: When he was on, we talked a lot about Rogers, obviously,

916
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: and one thing that came up was just the ability

917
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: for him to still throw the football, like the stuff

918
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: that he still puts on the ball.

919
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: The arm talent.

920
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's still at the point

921
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: it was in his prime, but it's not that far

922
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: off from it. He has aged gracefully. When it comes

923
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: to arm talent.

924
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: He's rare. And I rarely use the word elite when

925
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: it comes to describing athletes, because elite is elite. I mean,

926
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: that's not something you thought you'd throw around there, and

927
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: everybody does. I think he's borderline elite still as a passer,

928
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: and by that I mean there's something there's one spot

929
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: of it is really decreased, and I want to talk

930
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: about that a minute too, but ability to put zip

931
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: on the ball, change his arm, angles, layer footballs, throw

932
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: with touch, drop it in the bucket, attack to all

933
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: areas of the field, deep out, et cetera, et cetera,

934
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: quickness of release. All those things are still exceptional to elite,

935
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 3: and one point they were rare, which is even higher

936
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: than elite in my opinion. Now, what I didn't see

937
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 3: is much of last year, but it did get a

938
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: little better as the season went on. Is the improv

939
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: on the move, throwing when your feet aren't set, you know,

940
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: definitely on rollouts and throwing on the move that he

941
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: was rare at at one point too. Like I've heard

942
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: stories that he's an unorthodox human being player, et cetera.

943
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: You know, but there's stories that he would do many

944
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: practices with the Packers were the entire practice. He would

945
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 3: never throw a football with a foot on the ground,

946
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: you know, with both feet in the air, just to practice.

947
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: Week Like baseball player, I'm only going opposite field today, right, right.

948
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: Right, Larry Bird at a game, he only shot left,

949
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: the right right.

950
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: You're so good that you start having fun and competitions

951
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 2: within your own like your brain.

952
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: I got this other stuff down you know, or as

953
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: Tomlin likes to say, you know, being comfortable, being uncomfortable.

954
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: You know that that type of thing is he was

955
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: always challenging himself. Now will he ever be there as

956
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: a passer with the improv stuff or throwing with no

957
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: feet on the ground or rolling out and those type

958
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: of things. I definitely have my doubts about that. Not

959
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: that it'll be horrible, but it won't be crazy. You know,

960
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: the best you've ever seen type of stuff, but drop

961
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: back and quick game, it's still elite. I mean in

962
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: terms of a passer.

963
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: He always had like his release, it was always so

964
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: unique for me. He's a wrist right like you see

965
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: him really snap that wrist off so much when he

966
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: throws the football, And it's gotta be just such natural

967
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: arm strength in there which allows him to throw off

968
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: balance with such accuracy and such power because you need

969
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: your base to get the power.

970
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: But he's able to cook one. And he doesn't look

971
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: like Josh Allen his skin ear, you know, I mean,

972
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: he's not like but he's got you know, dar bend

973
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 3: or you know, I mean just overpowers the ball like you're.

974
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: Saying, he's got one leg on the ground and He's

975
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: still throwing the ball with the speed that a normal

976
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: quarterback would need, both playing the.

977
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: Flick of the wrist, you know. I mean he's completed

978
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: tons of hail. Mary's was like a flick of the wrist,

979
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean things like that.

980
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: Crazy.

981
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: We don't have enough time to get into it, but

982
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: I was fortunate enough. The year was with the Browns

983
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: was the year Rogers came out of Calca, I mean

984
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 3: many years ago him. So we scouted him, and I've

985
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: sort of told this story, but the Browns and myself

986
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 3: had higher grades on him than Alex Smith, who went

987
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 3: first overall and good stuff. We were dumb and didn't

988
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: think we needed a quarterback at the time. It was

989
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: the guy you have. We took Braylan Edwards at the

990
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: third pick, but who was the quarterback of the team,

991
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: Jeff Garcia at the end of his career.

992
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: He were kind of pen in hopes to maybe this

993
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: old veteran.

994
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: And theown had been like a second or third round

995
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: pick in the.

996
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 2: Year before you had a quote unquote plan a quarterback

997
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: A bad.

998
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 3: One, but yeah, yeah, bad one. Of course, we should

999
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: have taken Rogers, who was our highest graded quarter back

1000
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: the time, we should take it Smith, but he was gone.

1001
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: But we were picking third and Braylen Everards was our

1002
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: highest rank. Guy didn't I mean, as it often does

1003
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: in Cleveland, it didn't work out. But my point is

1004
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: watching him at Cow a million years ago, it shows

1005
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: both of our ages. He was not the improv player

1006
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 3: like that. Everything was very tight, snap it off at

1007
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: the ear, real precise, everything looked the same. He reinvented

1008
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 3: himself during that time. I think watching FARV, you know,

1009
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: you sit there on in the background while Farre's improv

1010
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: madman and he's going, well, this is how I was

1011
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: coached at Cow, but that's not the NFL.

1012
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: And this is the MVP right here, right, show a

1013
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: different way.

1014
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: Maybe they're not buddies, but sitting there watching him had

1015
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: to be so valuable. As of Love was watching Rogers.

1016
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: You know, you think the mannerisms on Love are very

1017
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: rogers ish. Oh my god, he throws with that same

1018
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: kind of flick of the wrists, like when he stands

1019
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: in the pocket like and kind of you know, takes

1020
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: the pre snap picture. He kind of is the same swagger.

1021
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

1022
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: If it was still allowed, I bet he'd have the

1023
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: single chinch strap. Remember what Far used to rock the

1024
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: single tin trap. He'd always unbuttoned it, and sometimes he

1025
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: can play without it buckled.

1026
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: Right, right.

1027
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: I think you're right.

1028
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: I think there was a very chameleon like nature to

1029
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: Far and then from Love to Rogers, and you're kind

1030
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: of seeing them copycat because they're generational Hall of Fame

1031
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: type of players. These are good players to copy.

1032
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: Nick Herbig sat down with us last week after practice

1033
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 3: and not really joking, but kind of lightheartedly, I said,

1034
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 3: I hope Harmon follows Hayward around like you followed Wat around. Yeah,

1035
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: Like if Wa gets a salad for lunch, get a

1036
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: salad for lunch, you know what I mean? And he

1037
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 3: said the same thing. He's like, I did everything TJ did,

1038
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: and if he stayed to practice for twenty minutes, I

1039
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 3: stayed for twenty one. You know, you know whatever was

1040
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: right right right, whatever he's doing, I'm doing the exact

1041
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: same thing.

1042
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: And again, this guy's a sixth round pick, and I

1043
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: think that people get a little too overhyped with him.

1044
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: But this is a good opportunity for Howard to do

1045
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: the same things that you're talking about. Be the Jordan

1046
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: Love sponge now and yeah, kind of copy some things

1047
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: that you see Rogers doing right now.

1048
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: It's to be great for him. And that doesn't mean

1049
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: Howard's the next Brady or Rogers for.

1050
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 2: Any of those guys back up in this league, because

1051
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: it picked.

1052
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 3: Up a phenomenal influence, right.

1053
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. And again to what you say

1054
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: to you don't even have to be friendly with the

1055
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: guy likes even have to be your guy, go golfing

1056
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: with him every week or no, it doesn't have to happen.

1057
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: You just get young learn from Montana and they were

1058
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 3: avis there. I mean they don't like right, Yeah, you

1059
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 3: know what works.

1060
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: No doubt, there's a ton of a track record of

1061
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: it working.

1062
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: The arm strength is still there for the guy.

1063
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1064
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: Mentally, he's the ball placement, probably.

1065
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: The smartest quarterback that there is in the league right now.

1066
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: It's just a man, I think. So if he can

1067
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: physically still make it through a season.

1068
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again he played seventeen last year. Did it

1069
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 3: last year? Doesn't mean he's going to hold up. He's

1070
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: older than he you know, but we don't know that.

1071
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: But if he does get injured, it's not like oh

1072
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 3: I told you so. A lot of quarterbacks are can

1073
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: get injured, even the twenty five year olds.

1074
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: You know, still an hour to go here at mini

1075
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: camp for Matt and myself. We will be back and

1076
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: start the twelve o'clock hour. Expect to hear from Rogers

1077
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: later on today. We won't be on the air when

1078
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 2: that happens. I think that's going to happen after practice.

1079
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: Let's replay that tomorrow.

1080
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: Maybe no doubt about that. So expect the practice players

1081
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: probably start trickling out on the field in just a

1082
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: little bit. Third and final hour on the way though

1083
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: of Steelers Nation Radios live coverage of mandatory Mini Camp.

1084
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Speaker 2: You're listening to SNR on the Steelers Audio Network and

1085
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,920
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