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Speaker 3: Block up.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, We're nae. Hello, Good morning, Caitlin. Great to

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Speaker 2: see you again on Zoom.

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Speaker 4: So, speaking of Zoom, you had a very important Zoom

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Speaker 4: call with a Nay our first repeat guest. I have

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Speaker 4: a guest coming on the show for two times, and

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Speaker 4: it's not just an a guest.

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Speaker 3: Who is it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you're going to go, you got

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Speaker 2: to go for the big ones. So I got Chrissy

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Speaker 2: Ebbett again. We were having a really you know, we're

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Speaker 2: very good friends, and we were having a nice chat

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Speaker 2: about the pitfalls and the traps of being famous when

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Speaker 2: you're young, and we were sort of going on and

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Speaker 2: on about other things in life, right and she had

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Speaker 2: just said to me, you know, I felt like in

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Speaker 2: the first part it was just a little bit more

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Speaker 2: fun and just basic stuff about tennis, and she said,

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Speaker 2: I would really like to talk about sort of some

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Speaker 2: of the pitfalls and some of the difficulties of being

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Speaker 2: a bubble. Obviously it's given her everything that she has

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Speaker 2: in her life, but at the same time, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's no easy street being a professional tennis player, and

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Speaker 2: it's certainly no easy street being a really very famous

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Speaker 2: professional tennis player from someone who's come from being famous

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Speaker 2: at a really young age, and just the pitfalls of

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Speaker 2: that sort of life and how it takes long time

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Speaker 2: to get to a place what you feel like you

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Speaker 2: understand yourself, and because I think when you're really young,

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Speaker 2: you really don't understand anything.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that's true of everybody, whether you're an

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Speaker 4: incredibly famous, world defining professional athlete or if you're just

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Speaker 4: somebody who's trying to figure out what life is all about.

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Speaker 4: And to me, I think our best episodes not only

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Speaker 4: give you insight into what the game's greatest personalities and

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Speaker 4: champions are going through, and maybe some of those behind

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Speaker 4: the scenes moments, but really take you to an interesting

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Speaker 4: philosophical place where you get to see and understand that,

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Speaker 4: you know, life is hard and difficult and sort of

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Speaker 4: a winding road for literally everybody, whether you have eighteen

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Speaker 4: Grand slams as does Chrissy and the greatest clay Court

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Speaker 4: record of all time including Rafae an adult, or if

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Speaker 4: you're just an average Joe that's trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 4: And so this episode really does that, and it was

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Speaker 4: really a pleasure to listen to in a pleasure to

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Speaker 4: edit for me.

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Speaker 2: Oh great, well, you know, one of the things I

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Speaker 2: always try and get out with these podcasts are us

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Speaker 2: this is to get the real side of a real person,

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Speaker 2: because they're real people. And we're going to hear a

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Speaker 2: lot of that today from Chrissy some you know, sort

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Speaker 2: of eye opening moments after winning you know, one of

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Speaker 2: the biggest matches of her life, and we've heard it

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Speaker 2: from Kim as well clisters when we had her. But

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Speaker 2: also just you know, one of the things that I

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Speaker 2: want people to really understand about Chrissy is she's truly

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Speaker 2: one of the funniest people like my life. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: the end of it, I want everyone to know she

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Speaker 2: really is one of the greatest and funniest people I know,

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Speaker 2: and I love working whether at ESPN, and I hope

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Speaker 2: you guys enjoyed this episode with the great PRIs of it. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we are recording. Okay, so for the first time in

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Speaker 2: the history of the Racket Magazine podcast, we are having

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Speaker 2: a part two. We've technically had one and two with

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Speaker 2: Kim Kleis's but we're having the first return guest, the

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Speaker 2: one and only Chris Evertt, or as we call her, Chrissy. Hi, Chrissy,

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Speaker 2: It's You're Out Part two. First timer.

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Speaker 5: I know, well, we left out a lot, didn't we

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Speaker 2: Well, there is there is a lot to cover. I

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Speaker 2: It's now a couple of years later, and life has changed,

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Speaker 2: and we work together at ESPN. But it's kind of

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Speaker 3: You can pick my brain, you can pick on me,

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Speaker 2: don't see things changing very much. But I guess I

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Speaker 2: have to ask you, what have you been up to

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Speaker 2: in this time and how tough has it been for you.

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Speaker 5: It really hasn't been that tough for me compared to

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Speaker 2: Oh my God, for God.

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Speaker 3: Did I dig myself out of that whole as well?

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Speaker 2: It's fine. Well I did zoom, Okay, I did zoom

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I was. I actually was spending a lot

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Speaker 3: But I think life is this month.

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Speaker 5: And so the other thing is I'm thinking about, Okay,

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 5: She she has a sister, was always was in my

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Speaker 5: Changing now though. I think that I think that people

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, my first boyfriend was I can considered a boyfriend

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Speaker 2: So what did you learn through that process of going

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Speaker 3: Listen I had, I had.

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Speaker 5: I had goals, and my goals were to win teness tournaments,

439
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Speaker 5: to be number one, and as a result, my friendships

440
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Speaker 5: and relationships suffered early on when I was in my

441
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Speaker 5: you know, teens and early twenties. And one example of

442
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Speaker 5: that is I beat von Googlegong at Wimbledon in seventy six,

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Speaker 5: I believe, and I think it was like twenty one.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 5: You know, I went back to an empty hotel room.

446
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Speaker 5: My mom was in the next room. I went back

447
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Speaker 5: to an empty hotel room and laid on the floor

448
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Speaker 5: and cried and I couldn't get up because I was

449
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Speaker 5: so depressed.

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Speaker 3: I was so depressed. I could just be vun glugoan

451
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Speaker 3: one Wimbledon. I was so depressed.

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Speaker 5: And the reason was because I put all my eggs

453
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Speaker 5: in one basket. And friendship suffered because I was just

454
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Speaker 5: so on a mission to win tournaments that I didn't

455
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Speaker 5: feel like I needed to have friends. And that was

456
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Speaker 5: a defining moment in my life because I went home

457
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Speaker 5: and really reached out to people then and really developed

458
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Speaker 5: friendships with the players, and I was a happier.

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Speaker 3: Person as a result. That's crowesome. I know it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's not crazy. Because we had Kim Class

461
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Speaker 2: on the podcast year a year or so ago, and

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Speaker 2: one of the things she talked about is after she

463
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Speaker 2: won I Believe the US Open, she went home to

464
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Speaker 2: and back to an empty hotel room because all her

465
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Speaker 2: crew had left, and she was there by herself, and

466
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Speaker 2: she had the trophy sitting next to her, and she's

467
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Speaker 2: on the ground, on the floor and packing up all

468
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Speaker 2: her stuff, and she was just like, wow, this is it.

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Speaker 3: Wow that I'm gonna have to listen to that podcast.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's interesting that other other players have felt

472
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Speaker 5: that it was such a It was a deep depression

473
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Speaker 5: in my mind because I couldn't get up off the floor.

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Speaker 2: And so that was because you had achieved something that

475
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Speaker 2: you had dreamt about, thought was the dream would that

476
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Speaker 2: would make you happy? But yet when you got home

477
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: and you were essentially by yourself, you realized that actually

478
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: the records and the trophies and the money really doesn't

479
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Speaker 2: make you internally happy.

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Speaker 3: No, I was empty.

481
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Speaker 5: I felt empty, and I didn't have anybody calling me

482
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Speaker 5: and saying, oh, we're so happy for you.

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't have any really deep friendships.

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Speaker 5: And that's I think that's when I started making an

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Speaker 5: effort with players, you know, with Martina and Billy Jean

486
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 5: and Rosie and Pam and I started, you know, Wendy Turnbull.

487
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Speaker 5: I started to develop friendships on the tour because that's

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Speaker 5: one thing I could never understand about Maria Scherpova.

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Speaker 3: Sorry not to bring her into this, but I can.

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Speaker 5: Never understand because I can relate to being like her

491
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Speaker 5: in the sense of you don't want to have you

492
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Speaker 5: don't want to get emotionally close to too close to opponents.

493
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Speaker 5: But at the same time, you're living, you know, you're

494
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Speaker 5: living every day with these players, and you're staying at

495
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Speaker 5: the same hotel room and not a hotel room, hotel

496
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Speaker 5: and you're traveling with them, and it's like a traveling band.

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Speaker 2: A great story if you've stayed in the hotel rooms

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Speaker 2: with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying we're all staying together hotel room.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I found that I needed when I

501
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Speaker 5: went to work, which was a tennis court or whatever.

502
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Speaker 5: I needed to have friends along the way day to day.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the thing that might be a little

504
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Speaker 2: bit different if you're you know, bringing Maria or Serena

505
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Speaker 2: or even Stephie for examples that were really very focused

506
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Speaker 2: on their sport and winning like you were, like Martina,

507
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Speaker 2: like all the greats. I mean, you have to be

508
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Speaker 2: to be great. In my opinion, you really have to

509
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Speaker 2: be because you have hinderly focused. But I think that

510
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Speaker 2: they try to develop their friendships away from tennis as well,

511
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Speaker 2: so that I know from Maria, like she has a

512
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Speaker 2: core group of friends that are away from tennis, so

513
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Speaker 2: not involved in tennis. And same with Serena, she has

514
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Speaker 2: a very good care group of friends away from tennis.

515
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Speaker 2: So I think I guess one lesson from you is saying,

516
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Speaker 2: make sure, even at a young age, that you're developing

517
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Speaker 2: friendships away from the tennis and it's not so bad

518
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Speaker 2: to have on the tennis.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, we didn't have teams then, okay, so

520
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 5: we traveled by ourselves and in the early seventies, as

521
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Speaker 5: you know you've read about it, you're too young, But

522
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Speaker 5: I mean we.

523
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Speaker 3: Traveled with each other.

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Speaker 5: We we call each other and say, okay, I beat

525
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Speaker 5: you downstairs, Let's get a van, let's go to the airport.

526
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 5: Get We practiced together. I practiced against Martina. You know,

527
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Speaker 5: as you know, before the finals of the French Open,

528
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Speaker 5: before the finals of a lot of tournaments because we

529
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Speaker 5: didn't have coaches and we are the only two left

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Speaker 5: in the tournament.

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Speaker 3: So we just hung out together. And nowadays it's just

532
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Speaker 3: so different.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying whether you know this is it's

534
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Speaker 5: bad or good, but it's just it's just a lot different,

535
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 5: don't you think, even though, don't you think even though Yeah,

536
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Speaker 5: I love that, Okay, it's great that they have friends

537
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 5: away from tennis, but you know, you're in that locker

538
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 5: room a lot and you're I don't know, I just

539
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 5: when you look at do you not look at each other?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just I feel like you're in it

541
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Speaker 5: for the same reason.

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Speaker 3: You're all in it together.

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Speaker 2: Very there are very there are few that are really

544
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Speaker 2: social and that you know, really do get along with

545
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: un't look. Kim Clysis was a good example. She Kim

546
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: was pretty open with everybody.

547
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: But care free.

548
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but most most players kind of have their little core,

549
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 2: little needs. It's kind of like going to high school.

550
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: You have your little group and you kind of hang

551
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: out and then you say hi to everybody else. But overall,

552
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: there's only small real groups. But there are some points

553
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: to walk in, do their job and leave. But I can't.

554
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to envision Serena warming up with Hallette

555
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Speaker 2: before the finals.

556
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it was it was a different era

557
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 5: and if she was if she was in the seventies,

558
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Speaker 5: she would have done it.

559
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Speaker 3: It was a different era.

560
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Speaker 2: I just think it's it's it's hilarious. So I mean,

561
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Speaker 2: I guess.

562
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Speaker 5: So so let me go back to the question that

563
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Speaker 5: you were saying. I have to say because of the

564
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Speaker 5: way of life that I lived in my journey going

565
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Speaker 5: to high school, you know, going on the tour at

566
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 5: sixteen years old and not going to college, being in

567
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 5: a very kind of selfish sport because you have to

568
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 5: think about yourself and your self absorbed. It did affect

569
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Speaker 5: my It did affect my relationships. Yes, and it took

570
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 5: a while. Like I'm ready now.

571
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Speaker 3: I'm sixty five, Okay, I'm ready.

572
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that Isn't that pathetic?

574
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: You really feel like now in yours that you finally

575
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: got enough therapy.

576
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: I haven't had enough therapy.

577
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 2: You've had enough relationships and marriages that you're finally out

578
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: of your bubble and you're ready. It's the COVID nineteen

579
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: done that to you. You know what.

580
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Speaker 5: My John Lloyd was my first husband, and John Lloyd

581
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 5: is like the greatest guy ever, And but it was

582
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 5: I was married to my tennis and there was nothing

583
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Speaker 5: other than that. It was like he was on the

584
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: men's tour, I was on the women's tour. We never

585
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: saw each other, and I was just devoted to my tennis.

586
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: And when I got home at the end of a

587
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Speaker 5: week or whatever, I just had nothing left.

588
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, I feel and that. Plus I was

589
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Speaker 3: twenty four.

590
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Speaker 5: When I got married, and I'm like, I tell my kids,

591
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Speaker 5: I have three boys in their twenties who are not married.

592
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 5: I go, thank God, because twenty thirty changed so much

593
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: and it's it's hard to I don't know, So I

594
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 5: kind of give myself a pass for that one.

595
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: So Andy and then Andy was twenty years and three

596
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: kids and it was great.

597
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's a successful, great relationship. And you're

598
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: still friends for this day.

599
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Speaker 5: You still, yes, we are, We're still very close. We're

600
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Speaker 5: still a family. I just went through I don't know,

601
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Speaker 5: I was going through metopause or something. I was like

602
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 5: mentally and emotionally like just handicapped during that time. I

603
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Speaker 5: you know, I don't know what direction, but I mean,

604
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Speaker 5: even crisis, I think it was because you know, Greg's

605
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: a good guy too and nothing. But I mean, I'm three,

606
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Speaker 5: I've been married to three really good guys, and I blame,

607
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 5: not blame, but I think my own evolving in my

608
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 5: own kind of decision making was was the result of

609
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 5: the of the failures of them more than more than theirs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I just think that people, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's great to hear this from you, and

618
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Speaker 2: you know, most people in general to talk about you.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has a perception of somebody until they really get

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Speaker 2: to know them and really hear them and really listen

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Speaker 2: to them, you know, and obviously you and I have

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00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: a very good relationship now, and we work together a lot,

623
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Speaker 2: and we spend a lot of late nights in hotel

624
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: rooms after we work fourteen hours at ESPN, and the

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Speaker 2: first thing you mightn't want to do is have a

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Speaker 2: glass of wine and just sort of ruminate over the

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Speaker 2: day and everybody. I guess moving on to a little

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Speaker 2: bit about ESPN. When you did get divorced from Greg,

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Speaker 2: you sort of threw yourself into doing television. You've done

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00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of television throughout, but your television you do

631
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Speaker 2: a lot now, obviously with ESPN, and I want to

632
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: know how different it is for you doing television now

633
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Speaker 2: as opposed to what it was like twenty years ago. FYI,

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Speaker 2: you called my Wimbledon doubles final for NBC, and I've

635
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: given you shit about this in the past that you

636
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: were so much pretty much not even watching the match.

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00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: Thank God for Ted Robinson at the time, because he

638
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: was actually he goes, oh, it's three break points, this

639
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: is there'll be so for the match, and You're like, oh,

640
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: that's great.

641
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Speaker 3: Are you sure that was me? I don't are you

642
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: sure that was me?

643
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: Because I don't know, I'm prap. You did talk about playing,

644
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: uh doubles, you know.

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Speaker 3: Was that for NBC. Was at NBC that was massive? Yeah,

646
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: when I did. Listen, okay, tell me listen.

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Speaker 5: The year after I retired, I you know, Bob Kane

648
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 5: was my agent, and he was you know, TV was

649
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: like the next step.

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Speaker 3: I was horrible. I was absolutely horrible.

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Speaker 5: And I remember I worked with Jimmy and I worked

652
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Speaker 5: with John McEnroe, so I worked with both of them,

653
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Speaker 5: and I remember thinking to myself, like I didn't when

654
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Speaker 5: I played. I didn't think that much. I relied on

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Speaker 5: instinct a lot. So I didn't have a lot to

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Speaker 5: say about what was going on in the in the

657
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Speaker 5: on the court, and I didn't have a lot to

658
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: say about this strat you the players, and I didn't

659
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 5: have because I didn't do a lot of thinking.

660
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: And I remember, I was just I was horrible. I

661
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: didn't have much to say. Oh, that was a pretty

662
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: nice shot down the line. Ace. She's got a great sir.

663
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: You know, it was pretty pathetic. Okay.

664
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 5: So that was then, and then I stopped and Mary

665
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 5: Krillo probably you know.

666
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: Just just got the job.

667
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 5: Okay, So Mary kicked me off. Okay, I love Mary.

668
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: Mary's great.

669
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 5: By the way, Mary is I mean, she don't we

670
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 5: all aspired to be like her. Oh yeah, I went

671
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 5: to commentat him, Matt, She's she's super.

672
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: But anyway, So then.

673
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: I didn't commentate for like twenty years. I mean that

674
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 5: was really that was a long time ago. And then

675
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: I remember after my divorce from Greg, I was like

676
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 5: in a fetal position for six months in bed, going

677
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 5: through to kind of depression and like, oh.

678
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: She's chrissy, what okay, big deal? Eighteen grand slam. So

679
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: you've had three marriages, how do you feel about yourself

680
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 3: right now? Really?

681
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 5: So I was going through that crisis of feeling really

682
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: down on myself, and I remember Laurens Francopan, who is

683
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 5: my agent now, called and said, you know, would you

684
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 5: like to do something to eat with this English accent?

685
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 5: Would you like to do something for is Pam And

686
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 5: they would calling and would like to you to go

687
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 5: and commentate, And I said, now I go, that's the

688
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 5: last thing I want to do. I just want to

689
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: roll up in a fetal position in bed for another

690
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: couple of months.

691
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: And then he came back and he said they stood.

692
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: They're very persistent and and.

693
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: This is the way English accent I know I'm sorry.

694
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 5: Continue, They're very persistent and they're just saying, you don't

695
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 5: have to sign a contract, but maybe you'd like to

696
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: do like a week at Wimbledon, just to check, just

697
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: to see if you like it.

698
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: And I go, no, okay.

699
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 5: So I finally came back again and I go, you

700
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 5: know what, yes, all right, I'll go fine because I

701
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 5: looked at the roster and I saw it was Pam

702
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 5: and Mary, Joe and you know, my friends, and I

703
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 5: thought this could be a fun week.

704
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: So that was my first and.

705
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 5: Then ever since, I think I've been with them for

706
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 5: ten years now, so it's been great. And I like

707
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 5: to say got me out of bed. It got me

708
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 5: out of my depression, and I went to work and

709
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 5: did a little more research on players. And I think

710
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 5: that I'm a little more intelligent now than I was

711
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 5: forty years ago. So I think I can speak a

712
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: little bit better and I have a better vocabulary. So

713
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 5: plus the fact that I've been coaching at my tennis

714
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 5: academy the last twenty five years, so I kind of

715
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 5: have a different I mean I know the game better, yeah,

716
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 5: point blank, I know the game better.

717
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Do you feel like it's important sometimes to step away

718
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: from being such a great player. I've always felt that

719
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: really great players it takes them a long time to

720
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: sort of get over the I mean, don't take this

721
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 2: the wrong way, but get over themselves, like not say well,

722
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: I can't believe that she didn't do that on it

723
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: and just you remember what it's like. Not everybody's as

724
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: perfect as.

725
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: You, you know, I mean, I mean you went I

726
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 6: mean without losing matches sometimes, so it's like you can't

727
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 6: relate to some of these like players rank thirty in

728
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 6: the world that lose a match every week, I mean,

729
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 6: and they out they're losing a match every single week.

730
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: Every player loses every week except the one that wins

731
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: the tonment.

732
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: You know what.

733
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 5: I it's not that I can't relate to them losing

734
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: every week, okay, because I know that that happens. But

735
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 5: funny enough, what I couldn't relate to were errors like

736
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 5: unforced airs, like in the bottom of the net or

737
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 5: in the fence, like every third or fourth shot, somebody

738
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 5: going for a winner making airs. And and you know,

739
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 5: when I first came on the scene, I'm saying with ESPN,

740
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 5: I saw a lot of errors. But I've seen that

741
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 5: change because thank God, we have stats, and now it's

742
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 5: it's really interesting. That's where Serena has really improved, because

743
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 5: when I first started commentating, she was making and forty airs,

744
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 5: and now she's making forty winners and fifteen unforced theirs,

745
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 5: So everybody seems to be cleaning up. I think being

746
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 5: solid and being consistent is underrated and should be.

747
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: Out in the forefront because and I.

748
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 5: Always thought that you're you're always a little more critical

749
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: when you are not far from your own career. But

750
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: as the time went on and by, and I realized

751
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 5: that the game had changed and it was about taking

752
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 5: more chances, hitting more winners, being more athletic.

753
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's I mean, it's tennis.

754
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: Before this virus was was looking really strong.

755
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: What do you feel about speaking of women's tennis, How

756
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: do you feel about the conversation now with Roger talking

757
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: about aligning the WTA and ATP two is together. What

758
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that, because obviously Billy's been pushing

759
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: for this very since she was Pubplinghuh, I love it.

760
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 5: I remember Billy, you know, she was the next generation

761
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 5: from me. I mean, she was the previous generation, but

762
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 5: she was my mentor really and she was great, and

763
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 5: I remember her talking about Jack Kramer and all the

764
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: guys who poo food on women's tennis, and they didn't

765
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 5: want to have anything to do with us, and they're

766
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 5: getting you know, their first prize money at that point

767
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 5: was ten thousand dollars and women's tennis was one thousand,

768
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: so it was like ten percent of what they were getting.

769
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: I kind of I mean, but women's tennis it wasn't

770
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 5: It hadn't evolved then, so I kind of understand both

771
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 5: sides of it. Now, you know, there's a lot of

772
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 5: equality with women and men as far as viewership and

773
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 5: sponsorship and prize money and marketability. And I love it,

774
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 5: and I'm glad that. I'm glad that Roger said it.

775
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 5: I don't know if he said it thinking that it

776
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: would take on so much power.

777
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: Just come on, come on, you're Roger Federer. You know

778
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: every little thing that comes out of your mouth a

779
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: tweet is going to be Oh.

780
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, but I don't know

781
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: when he said it. Though I think it was a

782
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: nice idea. I think it was a nice idea.

783
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: But but Renee, don't you don't you agree it's a

784
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 5: tricky question.

785
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: It's it's it's very complicated. It's getting the women in

786
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: the men together.

787
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: There's a there's a lot of logistics that that have

788
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 5: to work with both entities of the at P and

789
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 5: the w t A and and they have to come

790
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 5: into agreement of a lot of things.

791
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be It's complicated, but I

792
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: love it.

793
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: I mean, the men and the women obviously are much

794
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 5: stronger together than a part.

795
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: There's no question. Yeah, logistically they do. They're going to

796
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: have to work on a lot of things. I mean

797
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: Andy Roddick brought that up on last a couple of

798
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: weeks ago, and he talked about that the logistics are

799
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: not that easy, but he also if they bring them together,

800
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: it will be a good thing. And then and then

801
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: the players will full finally have the power you know,

802
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: the French Lams and the tournaments and the you know,

803
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: the agents and it's more it's going to be more

804
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: about a collaborative group of players coming together to make

805
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: a difference in the sport and TV rights. I mean,

806
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: we know we deal with it all the time with

807
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: the ESPN, and we have exciting prospects with Cocoa Golf

808
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: and these types of players coming up, what would you,

809
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of someone like Coco who's so young

810
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: and has such a spotlight on her, do you think

811
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: something like this actually having to like go away from

812
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: the game and not have the spotlight, and do you

813
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: think it helps her develop her Yeah?

814
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well she can grow during this period. You know,

815
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: she's still growing.

816
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 5: She's sixteen now, right, is that correct, She's sixteen, She's

817
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 5: still Yeah, she's growing, she's maturing, she's probably being homeschooled.

818
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 5: I think this is this is going to be great

819
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 5: for her. And the one thing and I tell my

820
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 5: kids at the Ever Academy, and I probably the pros

821
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 5: are doing this too. The one thing you can control

822
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: and you can't get better is your fitness.

823
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: And you know, yeah that.

824
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 5: The virus might take away court time for a while,

825
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 5: but you can still get fit. You can still stretch

826
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 5: and get more flexible, you can still cardiovascularly improve, you

827
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: can still get stronger with you know, weight training, and

828
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 5: and I'm sure.

829
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: Coco, what about doing all that? What about meditation and

830
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: mafinous because we've talked about this as well. Was that

831
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: even a conversation when you played, like were you just

832
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: naturally able to block everything out. I would well, I

833
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: would look, I'm looking, I'm looking.

834
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 5: The mental part was my The mental part was my strength.

835
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 5: I mean that physically, you couldn't put me in the

836
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 5: same category as a Steppie Grath or a Martinez far

837
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 5: As athleticism. So I had to compensate make up for

838
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: it in some capacity. And I think the mental toughness,

839
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 5: the focus, the the you know, the block binders I

840
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 5: put the blinders on, and how I reacted to pressure.

841
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: I think that can I ask you?

842
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: Can I actually ask you? I've actually never asked you this,

843
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: But like when you would lose I know when I

844
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: would when you would lose a point, like what was

845
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: the first thing that used to pop into your like brain,

846
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: Like you know, like I'd disappointed, you know, I'd be

847
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: so mad, you know, and then and then I'd finally

848
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: get back into my thing or I think, oh that

849
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: was bad or you know, it's just a negative thought, right,

850
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: usually like what was the first thing that you'd miss

851
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: aforehand into the net?

852
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I would say the same things

853
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 5: internally that you're saying externally.

854
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to repeat what you said, but I

855
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: would say all those words.

856
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 5: Internally, I would always correct what I did wrong. I

857
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 5: would always self correct. I was a good self I was.

858
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 5: I coached myself well. So if I hit a foreign

859
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 5: then the next the first thought that came to my

860
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 5: head was I got to put more topspin on my

861
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 5: fore him.

862
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: I mean that was it.

863
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 5: I mean if I lost a point because I was

864
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 5: too passive, then I would I.

865
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: Said, I got to hit out more, I got to

866
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: be more aggressive.

867
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: But I.

868
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: Had the ability, I think, to.

869
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 5: Play differently with each opponent depending on how they played.

870
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: You know, I.

871
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 5: I changed my game according to how my opponent played.

872
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 5: And I think some players go out there and play

873
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 5: the same all the time. Do you agree like nowadays

874
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 5: or do you? I mean, I kind of wonder strategy.

875
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 5: I think more players are more concerned with their the

876
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 5: way they're hitting the ball. And I think in our day,

877
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 5: maybe because there are more weaknesses, but we we incorporated

878
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 5: strategy a little bit more than they do.

879
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: This in this day.

880
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I coach now and it has

881
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot of strategy going on. So so in the

882
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: A I think so many plays do so so well,

883
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: and if there's a slight little right you know.

884
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking.

885
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 5: It was more obvious in my day that the I

886
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 5: mean there were it was more obvious in my day.

887
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 5: Nowadays the players have great all court games and they

888
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 5: know how to volley.

889
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: They know they hit brown st power free with you.

890
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: I disagree. Actually more in your day people actually knew

891
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: how to volley better than they do now, because I

892
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: think the grips have changed so much now and they're

893
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: so you know, Western grips or you know, so far

894
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: around on their grips are going into they have such

895
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: a huge grip change to actually hit a normal volley,

896
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: whereas you would hit a fourhand walk into the net

897
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: and actually quite quite regularly bad. But to hit a

898
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: normal volley, and I don't see that at all anymore.

899
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: And I think the grip change definitely affected the voluying

900
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: ability of a lot of players, men and women. And

901
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: I think that's the one thing that needs to be

902
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 2: taught a lot more in academies.

903
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 5: So you're saying that because the western grips, a lot

904
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 5: of the a lot of the women don't change their

905
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 5: grip when they come to the net.

906
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I guess what.

907
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 5: I guess My point was the top players. Like when

908
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 5: I came on the scene, three of the Grand Slams

909
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 5: were on grass. So that's why Margaret Core, Billy, Jim King, Rosika,

910
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: South Virginia Wade. I mean, the list goes on. They

911
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 5: all serve BALI but they didn't have nobody could hit

912
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 5: a grass throw.

913
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: But even after that, like I think about Stephie. You know,

914
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: when Stephani would come into the net, Steffie had great volleys.

915
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: I mean you played against her. I mean he could

916
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: make it. She could make a clutch volley under pressure. No, No,

917
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: nobody like easily. I don't see a lot of the

918
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: great players having those really competent hands at the net anymore.

919
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: And I think now he had last great player that

920
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: I think had that. I mean, Serena will tell you

921
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: her volley's are not great, you know. I mean Venus

922
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: had good volleys. I think Lindsay Davenport had good volleys.

923
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking of all the number ones. Kim Cleister's

924
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 2: was a good volley. But you think you know you're right,

925
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

926
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: I think it's corrected.

927
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a mixture. But I think

928
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: the ones with the really western grips. They find it

929
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 2: really hard to come into that. They have no idea

930
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: what they're doing half the time. Really, I mean it's true,

931
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: they know it, and it's not a secret. I mean

932
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: that's why. I mean, I've heard players say to me, well,

933
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 2: there's a reason I don't go in. I mean, have

934
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: you seen my bullies? And I'm like, yeah, I have,

935
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: which is why I don't understand why players don't hit

936
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: a lot more drop shots, which is why Bank and

937
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: Rescue does really well. Yeah.

938
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 5: But I guess my point is, in my day, I

939
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 5: think there are more specialized players. I mean, you're a

940
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 5: clay quarter or grass. Nowadays, I still think they have

941
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 5: better all around versatile games.

942
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: Okay, give me that. I see your point. Well, I

943
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: just I think it's because there's a lot of different

944
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: court changes, you know what I mean, like a lot

945
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: of different speed changes now, whereas in back in your day,

946
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: there was a lot of tournament.

947
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: Well on the rackets.

948
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 5: I mean it was hard to kind of than now

949
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 5: when you had a wood racket, for crying out loud, God, it's.

950
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: Like dragging a club up the court.

951
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: I mean god, nowadays, these rackets.

952
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 5: I mean, I was a better volley after I retire.

953
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 5: I had a better volley in my fifties than I

954
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 5: did in my thirties.

955
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: I think I could get up from the ground than

956
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: I did when I played.

957
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: Crazy.

958
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: Also, one of the things that I've had a really

959
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: good fun time last couple of weeks talking to a

960
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: bunch of players about their charity work. And I had

961
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: the Brian Brothers. We released their podcast. Actually today I'm

962
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: filming I'm doing this with you today, but we released

963
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: they and you know, we had Andy Roddick a couple

964
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: of weeks ago and he had his great charity for

965
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: over it well over a decade now. I think he's

966
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: probably at twenty years probably, and the Brians have had

967
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: it for over a decade, you know tennis. One thing

968
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: Andy said is that he's always been so impressed with

969
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: the tennis community. You think about andre Agascy, you think

970
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 2: about you know, Stephie even you don't hear about Stephie's,

971
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: but she's had one for over fifteen years.

972
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: Is that in Germany? Is that in Germany? Yes, I

973
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: have heard about that.

974
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: Yes, she has been for her children for tomorrow. So

975
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the tenants have done a

976
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: really great job with their charity. Your course is probably

977
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: I think maybe the pioneer when it comes to charity

978
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: for tennis players. What you're going on over thirty years.

979
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: I've played in about ten years, so that's how I know.

980
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

981
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the charity like specifically for you? And

982
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: why did you pick that charity?

983
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 3: You know, no specific reason.

984
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 5: My charity is Ounce of Prevention, which is drug abuse

985
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 5: prevention of drug abuse, and I started at about thirty

986
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 5: years ago and we've raised over twenty three million dollars.

987
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

988
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 5: I think that living in Florida every time growing up,

989
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 5: when I read the newspaper, most of the crimes for

990
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 5: drug related down South Florida. There's always a big problem

991
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 5: because the drugs are coming in from Cuba and from

992
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 5: you know, all the other the islands into Miami.

993
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: And I just thought that there was a big drug problem.

994
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 5: So I started at the year after I retired thirty

995
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 5: five years old, and I've had it for thirty years.

996
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 5: And you know, we have a great event, we have

997
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 5: a great weekend, and thank you for participating in it.

998
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 5: But I feel like at that point, I never I

999
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 5: didn't have any close relationship. I didn't have any relationship

1000
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 5: with drugs or anybody that I knew, So there it

1001
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 5: wasn't for any personal reasons.

1002
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: But the more I visit these.

1003
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 5: The more these rehabs, the more I visit these places,

1004
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 5: I see.

1005
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 3: And I talked to the women and the men, and

1006
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: I see that, you know.

1007
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 5: I firmly believe that everybody deserves a second chance in life,

1008
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 5: and everybody that people make wrong decisions, it doesn't mean

1009
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: that they're bad people. And so this is just not

1010
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 5: everybody can afford Betty, you know, thirty thousand a month,

1011
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 5: you know, so these are you know, state owned, and.

1012
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: It just.

1013
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 5: Kind of breaks my heart when I go and talk

1014
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: to the women, and especially the women that have children,

1015
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 5: you know, and that they're separated from their children. But

1016
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 5: like eighty five ninety percentile, you know, stat most of

1017
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 5: these women get their life back on track. So it's

1018
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 5: it's wonderful to see the progress and the hope that

1019
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 5: they do have.

1020
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: Did that, you know, over the last thirty years, was

1021
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: that a part of your life that you were really

1022
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: thankful that you had, Like throughout the whole time of

1023
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: going up and down in your own life and having

1024
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: I mean your own conversations about being depressed and having

1025
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: go through emotional ups and downs, and you were not

1026
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: somebody who turned to drugs, But could you even know

1027
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: could you sort of relate that maybe if you didn't

1028
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: have that sense of real purpose in your life with

1029
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: your own kids, or have that tennis background where you

1030
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: were able to you know, function even being in a

1031
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: very sad moments in your own life, like it was

1032
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: a part of you booked in those doors and you

1033
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: looked at these women and God, I mean, this.

1034
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 3: Could have been me if I maybe absolutely bring me

1035
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: if I did play tennis.

1036
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 5: I mean, everybody's you know, nobody's dealt with the same

1037
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 5: deck of cards in life. And you can come from

1038
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 5: drug addiction in your family. The environment that you can

1039
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 5: come from has a lot to do with it. But

1040
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 5: this is how a lot of people cope. And life

1041
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: is not easy. And so yes, I was lucky that

1042
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 5: I got involved, that my dad got us involved in

1043
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 5: tennis at age five years old to give us goals

1044
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 5: and to and to give us some purpose in life.

1045
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 5: But that doesn't happen to a lot of people. And

1046
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 5: as you know, life is tough, you know, emotionally, mentally,

1047
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 5: A lot of you aren't given the same you know,

1048
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 5: privileges and given the same enticements and that we were.

1049
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: Given m So it made me feel good.

1050
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 5: And you know, as I think that what makes you

1051
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 5: feel good also when you're down and out and not

1052
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 5: feeling great about yourself, I think that to be of

1053
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 5: service to others really.

1054
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: Makes you happy. It makes me happy to give it

1055
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: makes me happy.

1056
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: It made me.

1057
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 5: I was so happy after I retired from tennis and

1058
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 5: I had kids. It was like, oh my god, it's

1059
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 5: not about me anymore. You know, It's about my kids

1060
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 5: and I can give all my love and attention to

1061
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 5: them and not think about myself. And that's the way

1062
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 5: I feel with with my charities.

1063
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: And you feel now at your age, stop it we've

1064
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: come out. No, no, that you feel like you finally

1065
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: got to a point where you understand you like I mean,

1066
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 2: because because when when you talk about it the way

1067
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 2: you're talking about it, it's like, all right, I had

1068
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: this in Korea at fifteen. I was a superstar. So

1069
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm already in this little tiny bubble.

1070
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1071
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: I played and I played and I played and I

1072
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: was great and I was great and I was great,

1073
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: and it was like Chris have it, Chris of it.

1074
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm amazing, I'm amazing, You're so amazing. Oh my god,

1075
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 2: you're Chris have it. Oh my god, you're Chris have it.

1076
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: And you have that your whole life, and then you

1077
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: retire and then you go straight into like my kids,

1078
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: my kids, my kids, my kids, my kids, right, and

1079
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 2: then you never really stopped to go, who.

1080
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 3: Am I exactly you got? How do you know that?

1081
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: I didn't know that?

1082
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: Well.

1083
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: I have two things to say.

1084
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: First of all, a lot of therapy at the first.

1085
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 5: Thing that you mentioned was when you're a tennis superstar,

1086
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 5: everybody pats you on the back and tells you how.

1087
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: Great you are.

1088
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 5: And I don't care how humble you are and what

1089
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 5: the humble you know surroundings you came from, because I

1090
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 5: came from a very humble family.

1091
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: Trust me when I say this.

1092
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 5: After years and years and years of people telling you

1093
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Speaker 5: how great you are, and police been letting you off

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Speaker 5: the hook for a ticket and people letting you in arrested.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how many? How many? Pick its?

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Speaker 6: Five?

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Speaker 3: Maybe five?

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Speaker 5: Oh you're Chris ever, Okay, you get love your tennis.

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Speaker 5: I'll let you off this time.

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Speaker 3: But when people after people tell you how great you are.

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Speaker 3: What they mean is you're you're a great tennis player.

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Speaker 5: But they tell you how great you are, you become

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Speaker 5: a little entitled, and you become a little enabled, and

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Speaker 5: you know, your team enables you. And I saw that

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Speaker 5: in me, and I see that a little bit in

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Speaker 5: today's game too. So that's not always a good thing.

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Speaker 5: But yes, and answer your question, I have. It's been

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Speaker 5: quite a journey, and now it's about My kids are

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Speaker 5: in their twenties and they're pretty pretty pretty settled. And

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Speaker 5: now the next I mean, the next what twenty five

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Speaker 5: thirty years has is going to be about probably me

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Speaker 5: and and giving you know, charity work, but also being peaceful,

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Speaker 5: right and kind of hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Growing as a person.

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Speaker 2: We ended our last podcast with us talking about going

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Speaker 2: to an ashram together in India.

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Speaker 3: Do we go No, I see, I can't remember if

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Speaker 3: we learn.

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Speaker 2: Or not, but I think you would remember if you've

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Speaker 2: gone to India with ye. I know it's see we

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Speaker 2: have been in many a hotel room together having a

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Speaker 2: late night wine, discussing life. But I hope that you know,

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Speaker 2: we can maybe find you someone of significance for the

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Speaker 2: rest of your life, because now that you've told everybody

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Speaker 2: that you're out of your bubble and you've finally learned

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Speaker 2: a lot about.

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Speaker 3: Yourself that Well, I'm happy.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm you know, I don't need really, I have

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Speaker 5: a lot of love around me, you know, so it

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Speaker 5: would be nice, it would be really nice, but I don't.

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Speaker 5: I'm not desperate about it. Thank you, Rene, Well good.

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Speaker 2: But I'm looking for you. It's been such a joy

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Speaker 2: to like get to know you as a human being.

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Speaker 2: I tell a funny story. I think I've told you

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Speaker 2: the story. But when I won my first Grand Slam,

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Speaker 2: a friend of mine said, why don't you try and

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Speaker 2: be Chris hambit try And I really tried to be

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Speaker 2: the best I could. And I actually won my first

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Speaker 2: Grand Slam trying to be you. So that really thanks

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Speaker 2: a lot. But also, you are such a different person

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Speaker 2: off of the tennis court, away from the tennis court,

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Speaker 2: than you were as a professional on the tennis court.

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Speaker 2: I'm just glad that you were able to sort of

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Speaker 2: share some of those more human side of you today.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think you get to a point in

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Speaker 5: life where you're comfortable with your flaws as well as

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Speaker 5: your strengths. And you're honest about it, and isn't that's

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Speaker 5: being comfortable with yourself, and that's being real, and that's

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Speaker 5: where I want to be right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, Christy, thanks again. This is you're our most returning

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Speaker 2: guest and I could not have wanted anyone more than

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Speaker 2: you to do it. So thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. Enjoyed it. Renee, thank you do a

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Speaker 3: great job.

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Speaker 1: Well, bye bye, and that's it for this episode of

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Speaker 1: the Racket Magazine podcast. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Our host is Renee Stubbs.

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Speaker 1: Our co host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music

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