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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of

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Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any

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Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding

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Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason

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Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been

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Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost

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Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice

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Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last

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Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the

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Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone

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Speaker 1: back to straight audio, So be warned. We sound a

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Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about

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Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, thinking sideways. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand you never know what stories of things we simply

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer to. Yeh wait, do you hear that?

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Speaker 1: What is that? Ah? Know? Right? A little bit? So?

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Speaker 1: Now imagine listening to that for hours or days or

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Speaker 1: weeks or years. No, so so crazy. That's an annoying noise?

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Speaker 1: What is that noise? Well, I'll tell you a minute.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to thinking sideways. I'm Devin, I'm Steve. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about UVB seventy six or a buzzer today. That's

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Speaker 1: what that noise is UVB s yeah. Um, So the

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Speaker 1: station transmits a buzzing sound that lasts about a second,

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Speaker 1: pauses for a second. You know you just heard it.

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Speaker 1: It repeats to thirty four times a minute all day

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Speaker 1: long for years twenty one? How much? Four? So about

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Speaker 1: every other second or so about it's not exact. What's

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Speaker 1: what's the arrange? I mean, where can we pick this

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Speaker 1: depending on the anverspheric conditions. Is it broadcasting to this day?

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Speaker 1: And it's been broadcasting how long? So it's been broadcasting

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Speaker 1: since at least nine two that's the first actual recording

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Speaker 1: back as far as seventy six, which is apparently when

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Speaker 1: the US started monitoring it, so maybe even longer than that.

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Speaker 1: What is it? So? I listened to this thing a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's been on my radar forever. Upon intended to it sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Actually that's kind of the thing I would wake up to.

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Speaker 1: That sounds a lot like after the first couple repetitions.

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Speaker 1: It kind of has this soothing not like it's not

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Speaker 1: like the ticking of a clock. It's not quite that repetitive,

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Speaker 1: but it's still repetitive enough that it's soothing to me.

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Speaker 1: And I understand I'm crazy. You can hear people talking

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Speaker 1: in the distance behind this thing often, which means that

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Speaker 1: it's a tone that comes from a device in front

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Speaker 1: of a live microphone, not as in a speaker with

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Speaker 1: a microphone in front of it. Yeah, as in like

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Speaker 1: a maybe actually a fog horn that is there, and

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Speaker 1: it goes back in front of a microphone that is

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Speaker 1: connected to the broadcaster that broadcasted out. And actually the

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Speaker 1: current theory is that it's two different transmitters, maybe likely

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Speaker 1: of each other, because you can hear things in the

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Speaker 1: background that are consistent, but that one goes back and

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Speaker 1: then there's a pause, and the other one goes back

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Speaker 1: and then there's a pausitive goes You can kind of

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Speaker 1: hear that variation if you listen again, really closely, hold

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Speaker 1: on listen, ah ah ah ah, A little a little

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Speaker 1: bit slight. It's very slight. There are some recordings where

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Speaker 1: it's way more apparent. Uh, and it will not surprise

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Speaker 1: you to know that these come out of Mother Russia,

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Speaker 1: of course, good old Mother Russia, a land of men

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Speaker 1: chasing bears with bats. So we're not here to talk

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Speaker 1: about this noise, although it is weird, We're not. We're

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Speaker 1: Nuclear warfare all bite, When and why did the noise stop?

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Speaker 1: Hold on said shape? You said shape? You know which will? God?

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Speaker 1: Do you mean that should say that your camp? Um?

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Speaker 1: What is here reciting a bunch of numbers and letters

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Speaker 1: in Russian? Or what he is? This transmission is from

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Speaker 1: this specific one is from December. It was the first

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Speaker 1: recorded vocal transmission of the stop of the buzzer Um

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Speaker 1: And if you would really like to know, I can

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Speaker 1: tell you what he says, but it's really doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: It's in code obviously. How long is the message go

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Speaker 1: it's not just like the same message going out every time.

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Speaker 1: So that one went out and then one went out

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Speaker 1: four years. Those are the only vocal. Those are the

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Speaker 1: Russia is nothing. Three years ago, the transmission just disappeared,

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Speaker 1: On June five, ten, uh UVB went silent for twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours and then resumed normal buzzing UH And then

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Speaker 1: on the tenth at approximately which is coordinated Universal time,

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Speaker 1: there was a series of Morris code beeps admitted with

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Speaker 1: the buzzer just for just under four minutes, and then

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Speaker 1: voice message that was very very short. Two days later,

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Speaker 1: followed by a series of thumping sounds that were apparently

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Speaker 1: followed closely by a hail of electronic noises which faded

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Speaker 1: quickly into the buzzer broadcast. Later that day, voices were

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Speaker 1: heard conversing loudly behind the buzzer. So the janitor walked

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Speaker 1: Or if somebody was having sex in there maybe, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Swans from Tchaikovsky's Ballet of the Swans, and a morrise

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Speaker 1: Um On September five, a female voice voice was heard

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like they were having some technical difficulties, right,

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Speaker 1: And then on September seven, there was a male voice

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Speaker 1: in twenty three days they sent out twenty five messages

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Speaker 1: after being basically silent since seventy six? Did I say

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Speaker 1: then suddenly just a slew ofud yes. And then I

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Speaker 1: they stopped for a while. Okay, So you said that,

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Speaker 1: you said there were messages in September of what year? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so pop back up and suddenly had a flurry of

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Speaker 1: no longer just the buzzer, but people changed exactly lots

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Speaker 1: that same year there were another fifty six voice messages

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, or perhaps they were overrun by rival hand

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Speaker 1: radio enthusiasts. That's that's definitely possible. On November ten, intermittent

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Speaker 1: a period of about thirty minutes. They were confidential messages.

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Speaker 1: They have yet to be fully publicly translated. The phone

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Speaker 1: calls mentioned the brigade operative officer on duty and communication

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Speaker 1: it's the Russian word for hope, and then a couple

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Speaker 1: and sin got the control call from someone okay, and

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Speaker 1: and I was Since then, between January five and February five,

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Speaker 1: two eleven um fourteen more voice messages, but no were

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Speaker 1: a short wave radio station UM, which is used mostly

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Speaker 1: it twice, so they do call sign, call sign message,

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Speaker 1: the buzzer. So do they when they do actual voices

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Speaker 1: out a pattern, right, which you know, if if you're

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Speaker 1: hard to understand why it would they would have a

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Speaker 1: to just say, I I'm a tune around this time,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tune my radio and listen silence, and

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Speaker 1: as soon as I hear something, I'll know that I

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Speaker 1: then it changes in tone. Shore you know there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a distinct change, but it's nothing compared to silence. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: it's an expense. Well you know what. You know what

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