1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined as always by my trusted 3 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field and West. Normally on Wednesday, our 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Wednesday show is devoted to looking ahead to the next opponent. 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: But with the Packers just having played on Monday night, 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: there's still a few too many things we need to 8 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: follow up on from that game, because it really is 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: one that has generated a lot of discussion, and I 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: want to get to some of the things with the 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: officiating later on, but first I want to touch on 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: some of the things that Matt Lafleur mentioned in his 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: Tuesday press conference in which he was bringing up some 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: of what you might call the the little known, the 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: behind the scenes types of plays, moments that happened in 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: this game that allowed the Packers to come back not 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: once from thirteen points down, but then a second time 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: from nine points down in order to win this game. 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: And really it starts with the very first play of 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: the game with the flea flicker over the top to 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: Kenny Golladay and who's chasing him down to prevent a 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: touchdown from happening. But jaire Alexander one of the fastest 23 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: guys on the field. Yeah, coming from the other side 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: of the field as Golladay sort of crossed the hash marks. 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 1: It was a great heads up play. And it's funny 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: because explosive plays hurt, right, They're called explosive for a reason. 27 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, those are remember all the years Don Capers 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: will talking about it. The percentage chances that you have 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: of giving up points are giving up a touchdown after 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: you're explosive play. They just spike as soon as something 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: like that happens. But mentally, the Packers defense has just 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: been on a different plane this year. So for Alexander 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: to get down field, trip him up at the ten 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: or eleven yard line, whatever it was in in the 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: defense to hold that was four points right there. At 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: the time, everybody's just looking at it and going right 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: off the bat, you know the Lions are scoring. It's 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: a huge play at this defense. You know they're getting 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: gash like this, and then when you get to the 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: fourth quarter you never really think back to it was 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: a little moment like that that ultimately keeps the Packers 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: in this game. Yeah, I mean, the Packers did catch 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: a break there with the fumbled snap, fumbled exchange on 44 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: first down that put the Lions a little bit behind 45 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: the chains on that series, but then second down, third down, 46 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: the Packers did get the stop and force the field goal. 47 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, bottom line is that's four points. Where a 48 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: big sixty six yard play if that's only going to 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: cost you three points, just as we were talking on 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: yesterday's show, when you commit turnovers on offense, but yet 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: those only cost you three points the other way as 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: opposed to seven. Those are the kinds of things that 53 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: add up in close ballgames. This is not what you 54 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about, but I just want to because 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: it's a good moment for you to mention Jaire Alexander 56 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: one of the big gripes that I have, uh and 57 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: I was guilty of it two when I was at 58 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: the newspapers. We we operate week to week. It's a 59 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: three and six day new cycle. There seemed to be 60 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: this narrative that crept up in the last couple of 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: weeks and maybe Jr. Alexander isn't playing to form. You realize, 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: if you just focus on one player and you do 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: a story every week on that player, he's gonna play well, 64 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: there's gonna be not so good weeks, and then he's 65 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: gonna play well again. Alexander has played well more often 66 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: than not. And that's the reason why I believe he's 67 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: leading the league right now with ten passes defense. The 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: fact that you know, Pro Football Focus said he only 69 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: gave up one catch, which is a debatable to j D. 70 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: Mckessic for three yards. I mean, he just played a 71 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: whale of a ball game. And then obviously, as you 72 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: mentioned there, even that wasn't his guy against Gallada, stayed 73 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: with the play, showed the effort, and was able to 74 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: get that tackle. Yeah, when you look at that flea 75 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: flicker on film, Alexander just turned and went into a 76 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: dead sprint as soon as Stafford released that ball and 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: threw it deep, and that's why he was able to 78 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: end up catching up with Golladay. A similar thing in 79 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: uh one of your posts, an insider Inbox that you 80 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: posted this morning, where a fan of pointed out, hey, 81 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, a guy like Elton Jenkins running down Justin 82 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: Coleman after the goal line that and and Jenkins didn't 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: make the tackle, But that's that's an example of why 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: you always pursue and you never give up on a 85 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: play because just the more guys you can get anywhere 86 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: near the ball on a return like that, he has 87 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: to slow up or he has to try to make 88 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: a move, and then somebody can eventually get there. So 89 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: instead of that being ad interception return for a touchdown, 90 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: it's a fifty five yard return. The Packers defense holds 91 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: and they kick another field goal again, potentially four points 92 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: that are saved by just flat out hustling, awareness and 93 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: heavy play. And let's be honest here, I think if 94 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: you talk to Jason Simmons and Mike Petton, they want 95 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: to see that kind of energy and enthusiasm and you know, 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: just making that extra play from a guy like Jaire 97 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: Alexander who runs a four three whatever. Elton Jenkins is 98 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman a lot of times. I'm not saying 99 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: you preach this. You obviously want everybody running to the ball, 100 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: but those as are usually the ones that get the 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: free pass if they maybe aren't getting downfield to make 102 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: that tackle. I just thought that said a lot about Jenkins. 103 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: I also thought I said a lot about his athleticism. Um, 104 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: even if he doesn't run like Jerry Olexander being able 105 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: to get downfield to make a play. He has really 106 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: impressed me. Mike, You've covered a lot more offensive lineman 107 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: than I have in Green Bay. But for a first 108 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: year player coming in. I was talking to Corey Lindsley 109 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: about it late last week. He's as impressive as any 110 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: rookie that they've had on that offensive line. I mean, 111 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: and that's a great offensive line where Bok Tri, Corey Lindsley, 112 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: they all played as rookies. Elton Jenkins is picking this 113 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: up as quickly as anybody. It's one of the reasons 114 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: why when they lost Lane Taylor, there really hasn't been 115 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: a hiccup at that spot. Yeah, and and not to 116 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: take anything away from guys like Bok tr and Lindsley 117 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: who played very very well as rookies, but those were 118 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: guys who weren't necessarily going to play as rookies. They 119 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: were thrust into the role and they responded and they've 120 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: held down those jobs. Elton Jenkins was pressing for a 121 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: starting job from the day that he got here. And yes, 122 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Lane Tiler's injury ended up you know, maybe expediting that 123 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: process or just made it more seamless in some ways 124 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: that he's replacing a veteran, but he has rewarded the 125 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: coach's faith in him right from the get go. Yeah, totally. 126 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: And it was funny too, because, uh, you know, listening 127 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: to Lindsley talk about it, he said, you know, when 128 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: you look at the offense that he was coming into 129 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: with Mike McCarthy and fourteen, and he said, it's just 130 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: it's it's not quite day and night. But I mean, 131 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: with what Jenkins has been able to do picking up 132 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: Lafleur's scheme, it's the reason why for as athletic as 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: he is and as many measurables as there were making 134 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: it being a second round pick, the really reason, the 135 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: true reason behind why he's been able to play is 136 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: just the intelligence there to step in and know what 137 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: he's doing. Yeah. Well, another one of the guys la 138 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: Fleur mentioned on Tuesday was defensive lineman Dean Lowry, and 139 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: boy did he play a whale of the ball game too. 140 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: Huh boy, And you look at this this Packers run defense. 141 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: La Fleur came right out and said it, Hey, it's 142 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: been a problem for a few weeks in terms of 143 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: in terms of stopping the run. And yes, the Detroit 144 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: Lions have never really had a very good running game, 145 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: but carry On Johnson has had his moments in this 146 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: league and has had his good games, and he could 147 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: not find anywhere to run. Thirteen carries for thirty four yards. 148 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: You take that against a number one running back from 149 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: an opponent any day of the week. And Dean Lowry 150 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: was a big part of that. So a couple of 151 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: things of this one. As you mentioned, the Detroit Lions 152 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: have not historically been a good running team, but two 153 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: weeks ago that game against Kansas City, they were in 154 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: that because of carry On Johnson and how they were 155 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: able to move the chains and control the tempo of 156 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: the ball game and not making a shootout with Patrick Mahomes. 157 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: He's coming off a twenty five yard game, and I 158 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: know what the yards per catch a better yards per 159 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: Russia been for him this year. Not extraordinary, but when 160 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: used effectively and consistently in building that momentum, he's been 161 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: really difficult to stop. The Packers did that in this game, 162 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I talked to Lowry by 163 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: myself after the game, and you could kind of feel 164 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: like he said there was some gratification there. They heard 165 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: what people have been saying. They know they haven't been 166 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: playing the way they wanted to. And I, you know, 167 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: not to speak for Lowery, but I think he really 168 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: did take that a lot on himself to be accountable into, 169 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, step up in that situation. I think the 170 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Packers were smarter with how they use their defensive lineman 171 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: in this game. I didn't see them jet rushing as much. 172 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: I sat saw them paying a little bit more attention 173 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: to the gap and then getting up field. Yeah, right, 174 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't it was. It wasn't as much upfield attack 175 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: right at the line of right. It was more just 176 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: being sound and fundamental. I thought he Kenny Clark and 177 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: give a lot of credit to Tyler Lancaster and Montrevia's 178 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: Adams too for how they rotated in. It was funny, Mike, 179 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: you go back about six years ago. I remember talking 180 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: with my old colleagues at the Press Gazette, like, you know, 181 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: pays defense. It's just kind of thing of the past. 182 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's getting to be more and more nickel. 183 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: You base your front off of those two interior defensive tackles, 184 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: and you've got your edge rushers and that's the whole 185 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: kitten caboodle. And now the last two seasons especially, you've 186 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: seen the Packers, I would argue, and I don't have 187 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: the stands in front of me. You've seen the base 188 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: defense spike in this league the last few season. It 189 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: probably goes hand in hand with the running back resurgence 190 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: that we've seen. We've seen more of it this year 191 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: in with those defensive linemen doing their job against the lines. 192 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: I think that freed up Blake Martinez, b J. Goodson 193 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: to be able to, you know, get into those gaps 194 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: fit have the room to make plays. And as you said, 195 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean the longest run of the day was Matthew 196 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Stafford's tenure at scramble. You know, whether it was mckissic 197 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: or whether it was the other running Johnson Johnson whose 198 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: names escaping me now Carrie on Johnson. Regardless of who 199 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: it was, they weren't able to get traction. Yeah. Well, 200 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: if you want to see one snapshot anyway of Dean 201 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: Lowry against the run by what you might have missed 202 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: for this game, which just posted on the website shortly 203 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: before we came in here to take this. I take 204 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: a look at the goal line stand sort of the 205 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: goal line stand that wasn't because the Packers ended up 206 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: giving up the touchdown. Close call, I know. But the 207 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: first downplay, which is part of that segment, if you 208 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: want to take a look at it, Dean Lowry just 209 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: it's absolutely textbook run defense. He sheds the block and 210 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: blast carry on Johnson in the hole. It's at from 211 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: the three yard line, and it's no game. It goes 212 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: from first to go on the three, to second and 213 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: go on the three, and Lowry is the guy that 214 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: makes the play. So if you want to get a 215 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: quick look at that, that is on our site. Yeah. 216 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: I just felt like he played like his tail on fire. 217 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: I mean, in real time, I felt that way, but 218 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: especially when I went back and looked at it. Certainly 219 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: you broke down the all twenty two of it. But 220 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: when I finally got chance to go back and watch 221 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: the TV copy, I mean, he just Dean Lowry. I 222 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: thought it wasn't his biggest statistical performance. It was only 223 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: four tackles, but I thought it was just a really 224 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: solid all around outing that he had. Yeah, there's no reason. 225 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: There's a reason the Packers gave him a contract extension 226 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: before this year started. All right, I do want to 227 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: get to, as we promised on yesterday's show, some of 228 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: our thoughts about the officiating and how things went down 229 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: in this game against the Lions. I know you and 230 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: I are in agreement on this, so we'll definitely start 231 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: here with regards to the two hands to the face 232 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: penalties on Trey Flowers that the entire city of Detroit, 233 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: most of the state of Michigan is up in arms 234 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: over how I just went down. Well, yeah, lower Michigan 235 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: certainly lower. Right. Um, you and I we discussed this 236 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: at lunch yesterday. You wrote about it an insider inbox. 237 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: For me, it's the fool me once, fool me twice 238 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: kind of line. I mean, yeah, if Flowers is upset 239 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: about the calls, well, you got called for it once 240 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. So the fact that you got 241 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: called for it again later in the fourth quarter, you 242 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: can blame the ref cell you want on the first one, 243 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: but then the second ones on you because you were 244 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: doing the same thing that got you called in the 245 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: first place. That's how I look at it. He could 246 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: have avoided the second one, certainly, and uh, and I 247 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: put it on him. Yeah, Um, it's the old Einstein thing, right. 248 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: I mean, here, here's the thing. There's a couple of 249 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: different columns and analysis and that have been written in 250 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: the preceding days, some outraged, some you know a little 251 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: bit more towards the middle. In my general takeaway has been, 252 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: because you know, this is how I always handle these things. 253 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: I go when I read all the sources, I've taken 254 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: all the opinions, and then I you know, proceed from there. 255 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: There's two major things that you have to consider if 256 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: you're a Packer fan or you're a Lion fan. In 257 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: this is objective. This is not subjective. This is not opinionated. 258 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: This is the truth. The lines didn't finish drives. They didn't. 259 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: They end up having to settle for five field goals. 260 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: When you kick that many field goals and you're playing 261 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: another team on the road, not a recipe for the success. 262 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: If you're going to do that and you're going to 263 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,119 Speaker 1: leave those points on the board, you have to understand. 264 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: I'm guessing all these people who are outrage have never 265 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: played an R and G game before, But you have 266 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: to understand that there's going to be factors out of 267 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: your control that are going to dictate the final outcome 268 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: of the game. It doesn't matter if it's an injury, 269 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's a penalty, it doesn't matter 270 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: if the wind changes direction and the field goals aarry. 271 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: You can't count on every factor to give you a close, 272 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: narrow victory. The Green Bay Packers know that as well 273 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,599 Speaker 1: as any team in the NFL right now. When you 274 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: go back to last season, there's randomness to the should 275 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: have won the game against the Minnesota Vikings. The randomness 276 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: and the close knit nature of that game did not 277 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: allow them to. And you have to move on. So 278 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: the big point I'm trying to make you here is 279 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: the vitriol and I've seen a lot of it in 280 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: my mentions that people have over this thing. Get a grip, 281 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: move on because the fact of the matter is is 282 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: that if that game would have been seven, none of 283 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: that matters. And getting back to your original point about Flowers, 284 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was wrong, you know, And and 285 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: certainly the NFL has had their two cents on it 286 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: now and Troy Vincent has spoken his two cents. But 287 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: the way I see it is they were the kids 288 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: in the classroom. They were not the chaperones. They were 289 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: not the teacher. The teacher told them a certain way 290 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: that this classroom is going to run today, and Flowers 291 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: still win against it. I'm not saying it's right. But 292 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: when you go home to your parents and you have 293 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: the two pink slips from the day and you've got 294 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: to explain to what happened, I mean, maybe your parents 295 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: patchy on the back and tell you what's gonna happen. 296 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: I know my dad would have been like, why didn't 297 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: you correct your action the first time? That's my point, 298 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: and I understand I understand the frustration of the Detroit 299 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: Lions fans when you're talking about all the way back 300 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: to the Calvin Johnson play that started everything about the 301 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: catch rule, and the playoff game in Dallas with the 302 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: past interference that wasn't called, and the Monday night game 303 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: against Seattle when the guy bats the ball out of 304 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: the end zone and they completely botched that call, and 305 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: there have been others. I get it. I get the frustration, 306 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: but the league, in some ways west My next point 307 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: is that the league in some ways also does this 308 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: to itself with these points of emphasis that they come 309 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: up with every year. Hands to the face has been 310 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: a point of emphasis, So has offensive holding. We've seen 311 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: David bak Tr get called for offensive holding this year 312 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: more than he has maybe in the last two or 313 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: three years combined. Is a three time All Pro suddenly 314 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: a penalty prone liability on the offensive line? No, he's not. 315 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: It's this point of emphasis thing, and bok Tr is 316 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: still trying to adjust to it. And to his credit, 317 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: he's not standing in front of his locker every week 318 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: talking to reporters and complaining, sorry, I had to catch 319 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: myself before I said the wrong word, complaining about the 320 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: fact that he's getting getting calls when these are the 321 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: types of things that haven't been called in the past. 322 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: So the league does this to itself and does this 323 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: to the players with these points of emphasis, and it's 324 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: only going to be natural, it's only human nature for 325 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: officials when they're put on notice with these points of emphasis. 326 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: That means the league wants to see the calls. So 327 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: guess what the players are going to be the victims here, 328 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: And that's how this thing goes. If the league wants 329 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: to avoid all of this and all this officiating controversy, 330 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: the single point of emphasis, quite frankly, needs to be 331 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: If it's not obvious, don't call it, because nobody's gonna complain, right, 332 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna see it on the video, nobody's But the 333 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: league is not saying the point of emphasis is if 334 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: it's not obvious, don't call it. The league is saying, 335 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: this is a point of emphasis. That's a point of emphasis. 336 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: So they're judging the officials on making these kinds of calls. 337 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: So this is where we are. Yeah, this is where 338 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: you have to where you are and how you have 339 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: to adapt. It's the same reason why to to man 340 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: Patricious credit it. I know there was the complaining a 341 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: little bit about Will Redmond if there's too much contact 342 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: down field. I was totally on board with Patricia not 343 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: calling it because if you follow the stats one of 344 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: the last twenty four when teams have been trying to 345 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: get a p I call offer of you have been successful, 346 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: those odds do not weigh in your favor. It's going 347 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: to be what the call on the field is. And 348 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: he made the right adjustment, I think, honestly. As I 349 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: also wrote an insider inbox on Wednesday, Patricia said all 350 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: the right things. He said, we need to play better, 351 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: we need to finish drives, We need to do those things. 352 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: He knew this game was in their hands and they 353 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: and they let it. As you said, initially, the Lions 354 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: let this game become subject to all these others, all 355 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: the r G, all that type of stuff. And you know, 356 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Matt Prator was their m v P. He had a 357 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: phenomenal game. But you can just going back to that 358 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: well that many times you need to be able to execute, 359 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: you need to get points off of takeaways. That's why 360 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: the Packers were able to squeeze their way back in 361 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: and too close on this with David bok tr I 362 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: think one thing that said a lot about box t 363 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: R two is after his holding penalty, he would out there. 364 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that drive. He was 365 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,239 Speaker 1: out there talking to the ref minutes minutes between the 366 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: end of the field goal or what however the play ended, 367 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: and then the opening kickoff. He's trying to figure this out. 368 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: He's working on him, showing him where he's going with 369 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: his hands, and then and he's trying to have that 370 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: dialogue and discord. That's what you need to be able 371 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: to understand this. I'm not saying it played into how 372 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: things went later on, but if he's going to make 373 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: the corrections. He needs to have the communication. I'm not 374 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: saying Trey Flowers didn't, But the fact of the matter is, Mike, 375 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: whatever you want to say, and you can apologize to 376 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: Mrs Ford, you can apologize to every fan that has 377 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: ever you know, warrened Lion's jersey. That's all well and good. 378 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: The game is the game, the result is the result, 379 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: and the call is the call. And in that particular case, 380 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: Trey Flowers ended up getting called for it twice and 381 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions ended up losing. Yeah, one other thing 382 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: on the officiating that I want to touch on A 383 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: touched on it a little bit yesterday, and what I'm 384 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: talking about is the fourth and goal play for the 385 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions, which of course was a huge call, a 386 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: huge moment in the game because that's the difference between 387 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: seven points and zero points. We talked about a lot 388 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: of four point swings in this game, but this was 389 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: a seven point swing, and to me, this was a 390 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: perfect example of how the replay system is not being 391 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: processed or adjudicated correctly in the sense that we saw 392 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: on the field. The one side judge on the top 393 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: of the screen was saying Packers ball, it was a 394 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: stop short of the goal line. The guy, well Blakeman 395 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: was next to him, was was was next the side. 396 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,120 Speaker 1: The side judge on the lower side of your TV 397 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: screen was signaling touchdown. Blakeman at the top of the 398 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: screen initially saw the one call and he actually signals 399 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: first down the other way for the Packers, which is 400 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: what the referee is supposed to do. Then suddenly, with 401 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: no discussion at all amongst the officials on the field, 402 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Blakeman turns his microphone on and says, the called field 403 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: is touchdown. Now, to me, it is absolutely obvious that 404 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: Blakeman did what he did and said what he said, 405 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: because if he calls it a touchdown, it goes to 406 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: automatic review. Right, So then by saying by not saying 407 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: the Packers got the stop, and by saying it's a touchdown, 408 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: it goes to automatic review and Patricia doesn't have to 409 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: challenge it. From the Lions side of things, the problem 410 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: is the replay review rule gives all this weight to 411 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: the call on the field. So the fact that is 412 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: the official you're saying, oh, it's a touchdown, so it'll 413 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: be automatically reviewed, we get to wash our hands of it. 414 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: Because of replay. Well not really, because that call in 415 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: the field matters when you go to review. So to me, 416 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: the point I want to make with all this excuse me, 417 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm starting to lose my voice a little bit. It's 418 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: is that the way that we replay rule is written 419 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: with the call on the field taking precedence. It's an 420 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: anequated notion. It's completely outdated when replay. I know you 421 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: were young when replay came in in the nineties. Okay, 422 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: the rule was written the way it was written because 423 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: there were only a couple of camera angles and if 424 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: a camera angle didn't catch really what happened, or there 425 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a good look at it, the call in the 426 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: field had to matter, so you would stick with the 427 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: call in the field. Un that's the video evidence showed you. Otherwise, 428 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: when in this day and age, is the video not 429 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: giving us a better look than what the guy on 430 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: the field has, right, So if the video, if all 431 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: these camera angles in the super sloma was always going 432 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: to give us a better look, then call what you 433 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: see on the video and to heck with the call 434 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: of the field, just just get rid of just get 435 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: rid of that part of the rule. Call what you 436 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: see on the video, and to me, that fourth and 437 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: goal call and the way the way it was processed 438 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: and the way it was adjudicated just showed how messed 439 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: up this whole thing. So the only thing you said 440 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: it perfectly. I can't do any better than any of that, 441 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to try. But and I'm sorry 442 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: that I'm in. It's okay. You know, we're cool. Everyone's 443 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: enjoying themselves. Uh. The one thing I want to add 444 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: to this, though, the only part of this I took 445 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: exception to the only part of it is that nobody 446 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: went over and tried to ask the other side judge 447 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: exactly what he saw. I don't even there. There was 448 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: no discussion, There was no huddle, there was no there 449 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: was no on field discussion as to Okay, how do 450 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: we want to call this? They just called it a 451 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: touchdown and sent it to review. I don't even care 452 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: if you walk up to him and said, hey, did 453 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: you watch Dancing with the Stars last night? I don't 454 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: care if you walk up and discuss how their kids 455 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: third grade math test went at the mouth, where at 456 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: least okay, we discussed it. Now will make the call? 457 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: This game is getting longer and longer with all these reviews, 458 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna save thirty two seconds by just signaling in 459 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: a touchdown and throwing a you know, flipping a coin 460 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: up in the air and being like, well, if somebody 461 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: saw it, he looked, he put his hands up faster. 462 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they looked really decisive about that call. I'm 463 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: guessing he must have seen something. Go over and discuss 464 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: it with your side judge, then make ruling. Because I'll 465 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: be honest with you and I don't This is one 466 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: of the places where I said I did not envy 467 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: the officials. It was not a clear look. There are 468 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: a lot of bodies. It's full, it's it was. It 469 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: was a tough call, there's no doubt. But to have 470 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: what appeared to be the better angle where Blakeman was 471 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: with his side judge as opposed to where the other 472 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: side judge was, to to just rule it blindly like 473 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: that just was not good. It wasn't. I just want 474 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: somebody at the league to acknowledge that this whole call 475 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: on the field and the and the way it's given 476 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: and the precedence that it's given in the replay process 477 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: is just a completely anequated outdated notion happen. I know 478 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: it's not going to happen because they don't want to 479 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 1: further undercut the authority they've already taken away from the 480 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: officials by how much goes to replay to begin with. 481 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: So it's not going to happen. But in in the 482 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: Mike spoffered like logical common sense world, it is completely anequated. 483 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: There's no reason that that call on the field should 484 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: matter when all these video angles are always not like 485 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: it was in the nineties, But in they're always going 486 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: to give you a better look than the guy in 487 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: the field has in the first place. So to me, 488 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: it's just completely inane that they they say the call 489 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: in the field actually matters anymore. I just it doesn't 490 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 1: make sense to Well, Mike, you could shuffle back into 491 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: that little fantasy land where everything's peaches and cream and 492 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: it's calls, and we're going to continue to live in 493 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: the Hey, we'll see what happens on Sunday and hopefully 494 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: everything works out for the best. All right, Well, I'm 495 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: gonna go crawl back into my cornera with that, and 496 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: we're going to call it a wrap on this edition 497 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: of Packers unscripted. 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