1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Ever been laughed waiting by the phone. It's the Fred Show. Hey, Derek, 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: good morning, welcome to the program. 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 2: How are you. 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 3: I'm doing all right? 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: How are you doing? 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Hey, we're doing okay. Let's hear about Maggie. So we're 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: trying to figure out if you've been ghosted. How did 8 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: you meet Maggie? And then I sort of give us 9 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: a step by step about any days that you've been 10 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: on and kind of where things are now, just the backstory. 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 2: We got to know everything, Yeah, for sure. 12 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: So I met her at a friend's wedding, and it's 13 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: a great place to meet someone. We kind of hit 14 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: it off, and I got her number. In the following week, 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: I just asked if she wanted to go to dinner, 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 3: and she said yes. I was very excited, So, you know, 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: I planned out the whole dinner and we had a 18 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: great time, such a good time that I asked her 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: on another date and she said yes again. I was 20 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: continually excited. I you know, I thought things were going 21 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: really well. I invited her to my place this time. 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: I cooked for her. You know, I listened and to 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: the things she. 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: Told me, and oh, you listened. I listen to this 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: guy he cooked me and he listened. 26 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like, you know, she just mentioned 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: the movie and like I had the movie and just 28 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: things and it went really well. And then I don't 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: know what happened. She just disappeared after that second date. 30 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 3: I honestly have no idea what happened. And I just 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: feel like I've been happening a lot of bad luck 32 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: with dating lately, and I just I really want to 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: know what happened. 34 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be frustrating, and so you want to 35 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: know what happened to this woman in two dates and 36 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: then she disappears, and it's like why, you know what. 37 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's something that we can fix. I don't know, 38 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: So we'll try and call Maggie. You'll be on the 39 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: phone at the same time. Don't say anything right at first, 40 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: but at some point you're welcome to jump in. And 41 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, the hope here is that there's a good 42 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: explanation or something we can straighten out and then set 43 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: you guys up on another date that we pay for. 44 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: Sow good. 45 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be great. 46 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: You've got to hear what happens next, trust me. Two 47 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: minutes away after Miguel on The Fred Show, get a 48 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Lease have the Freend Show. Good morning, thanks for having 49 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: us on the radio and the iHeart app anytime search 50 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: for The Fred Show on demand. 51 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: Hey, Derek, welcome back. You there, Yeah, I'm here. Okay, 52 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 2: let's call this woman, Maggie. 53 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: You guys met at a wedding out in the wild 54 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: in person, which is a good way to meet someone. 55 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned that, but it's true. I mean in person 56 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: in general is a good way to meet somebody because 57 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: you know what you're dealing with as opposed to the apps. 58 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: It can be you can't really take chemistry into account 59 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. But you guys met when on a couple 60 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: of dates. You thought they went well. You thought you 61 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: did a good job listening and planning these dates and 62 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: attending to her and all this stuff. But she has 63 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: ghosted you, and you want to know why. 64 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 2: Yes I do, I do. 65 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: Early. Okay, well, let's call her now. Good luck, Derek, Hello, Hius, Maggie. 66 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: Hi Maggie, good morning. My name is Fred. 67 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: I'm calling from the Fred Show, the morning radio show, 68 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: and I do have to tell you that we are 69 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: on the radio right now and I would need your 70 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: permission to continue with the call, which at for just 71 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: a second. Oh Uh, sure, I know it's a little 72 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: bit strange, but thank you very much, and you can 73 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: hang out at any time. I'm not sure if you've 74 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: heard this before, but it's called waiting by the phone, 75 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: and I got him. Derek reached out to us and 76 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: said that you guys recently man aed a wedding and 77 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: went in a couple of dates. 78 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: Do you remember this guy, Derek? 79 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I do, Okay. 80 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: So he told us that he thought that, you know, 81 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: the dates went really well between you two, and he 82 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: really enjoyed meeting you, and I was hoping to see 83 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: you again. Except he can't get a hold of you now. 84 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: So what's going on? 85 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: I mean, to keep it short, I'm just really not. 86 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Into him, okay, But you went on two days with him, 87 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: so what happened? I mean, I suppose, you know, if 88 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: you weren't into him, maybe that that comes out on 89 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: the first date, But you went out on two dates, 90 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: So at what point were you no longer into him? 91 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I don't know why you catch won 92 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: all the details. It's not really exciting or anything. It's 93 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 4: just I kind of just never got super into him. 94 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there's got to be more to the story though, 95 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: because here's the thing. This guy liked you. He wanted 96 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: his see you again. You're not responding to him. So 97 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: if you tell us what's going on, and we tell him, 98 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: and then you know, everybody kind of wins, maybe you'll 99 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: stop calling, hopefully, and then he gets his closure. 100 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: So what happened? 101 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, look, sweet guy whatever, But he just 102 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 4: gave me the ick honestly, Like he was so nice 103 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 4: that it was too nice. It was just way too 104 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: much for me, too soon, Like way too nice. I 105 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 4: mean that's kind of the best way I can put it. 106 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: Too nice. Yeah, what does that mean? Too nice? 107 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Like what would you have preferred that he like slapped 108 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: in the face or something. I mean, that's awful. What 109 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: are you looking for? I mean in certain settings? But no, 110 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: what are you looking for? 111 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: No? 112 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 4: I mean just I mean, I hate to call it toxicity, 113 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 4: but like a red flag like something some fire, some passion, 114 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 4: like something that got me excited about him. I mean, 115 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 4: this guy was like you want a red flag. 116 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: So him being not a good guy in some way 117 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: and generating a red flag that turns you on, yeah, 118 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: so much. 119 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it was just so much. It was 120 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: too much too fast. We met at a wedding, like 121 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 4: he told you guys that, right, yeah right, So like, 122 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: I mean, you can only talk so much at a wedding, 123 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: at dinner or whatever, he was sweet, kind whatever, And 124 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: then I have like, in passing, I had mentioned a 125 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 4: restaurant that I liked, literally thought nothing of it, and 126 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 4: so that's where he took me for the first date. 127 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: Oh, how damn you. 128 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: I know, I know he tould have taken you to 129 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: the exact opposite kind of restaurant. He should have been like, 130 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: I hate that place. I'll never take you there, dummy. 131 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: What he should have said. Everybody knows that. Tell me more. 132 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: Then what happens? 133 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 4: All right, listen for the second again, you guys have 134 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 4: to remember that we had just met, Like I thought, 135 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 4: this was way more casual. But this for the second date, 136 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: number two, he makes dinner from scratch, make me a 137 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 4: playlist based on music that I like, and then he's 138 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 4: found out my favorite movie in unbelievable. 139 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: What on earth are you thinking? Derek? 140 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: I forgot to mention that, Derek, this here, Derek, I'm 141 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: so forgetting. Yeah, Derek, how dare you? How dare you 142 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: be thoughtful? And and respectful and a gentleman. How dare you? 143 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, are you serious, Maggie? 144 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 3: It's too nice? 145 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: Is that? 146 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: Is that really what you're saying? 147 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: So you would have rather that he had just sort 148 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: of disregarded everything that was important to you, you know, 149 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: blown you off, been mean to you. Maybe he's a 150 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: cheater or something. That would have been a nice, nice, 151 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: little extra bonus for you. I mean, like, what are 152 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: you being serious? Like you you're thriving on the toxicity. 153 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm being dead serious. I don't understand what's 154 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: so confusing to everyone, Like when someone is too nice, 155 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 4: like you just can't get out of what's the secret? 156 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: See, here's the thing, this is why. 157 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: So it can be difficult and I'm not going to 158 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: sit here and do the whole Well it's hard to 159 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: be a guy thing because it's not that hard. But 160 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: in Danny, it can be hard to be a guy 161 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: because you're dan if you do and danned if you don't. 162 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: If you're if you're too direct or you don't say 163 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: the right stuff to the right person, then you're a jackass. 164 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: And you know, you get labeled as one thing. If 165 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: you're too nice, too attentive, too thoughtful. If you try 166 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: too hard, then well you're trying too hard and that's 167 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: not sexy. So and then women will tell you, well, 168 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: I want this or I want that. But then we're 169 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be brain mind readers, and we're supposed to 170 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: know which woman wants which treatment. And in general, most 171 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: of our moms taught us to do sort of what 172 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: he's doing for the girl that we like. 173 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: And so I don't really. 174 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: Know how you expect a lot of guys to know 175 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: what how to how to operate right exactly. 176 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, Maggie, you said you want some passion. 177 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,559 Speaker 3: Well here's some passion. I like being nice, and I 178 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: think other people like it when I'm nice, or normal 179 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: people who have self esteem at least, so you can 180 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: go be toxic with yourself because this is ridiculous. 181 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it is kind of crazy. 182 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: I think most people would rather default to nice treatment 183 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: than bad, but not in this case. 184 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: I mean, there's only a couple of good ones left 185 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: out there. Girl, you date it like what? Trust me? 186 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: What you like? 187 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: Stood you up at a restaurant that you hate would 188 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: have been better? Make you pay? 189 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: I would I would have been a little toxic with you. 190 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: I would have I would have know you need it, 191 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: but I don't know it this way. 192 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, goodbye, start listening, yeah to this show and 193 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: listen to all of our other dating story Yeah, and 194 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: then come back and tell me. 195 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 2: I would have been a little toxic with you. No, 196 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: come on, No, you don't change for anybody. 197 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: No, Maggie, I'm sorry, but this is kind of crazy. 198 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: It's real crazy. I mean, you don't like a guy 199 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: because he tried too hard. I say it's crazy. I 200 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: don't think it's all that uncommon. 201 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: Tried it hard, like he just listened when she spoke. Yeah, well, 202 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: like I did a couple of things that she flakes. 203 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: I don't. 204 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: I really hope she finds what she's looking for. Oh, 205 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: I think I really hope. 206 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: You know, there are people out there who just love 207 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: the chaos, they love the drama, and when they. 208 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: Don't have it, it's no good. 209 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: And I feel like Maggie, that's basically I mean, I 210 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: guess we're giving you a hard time because it sounds 211 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: like Derek's a decent guy. And chapouline this point, we've 212 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: heard of a lot of guys that aren't and girls 213 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: in aren't. But I mean you are honest about it. 214 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: I mean, you like what you like. I guess it's 215 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: just kind of sad. 216 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: You gotta heal, girl. 217 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty well without him, you know. 218 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: Save our number. 219 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty sure you'll be calling back as the 220 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: person that gets ghosted next time. 221 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: Oh yes, probably will be like I remember you. 222 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: All right. 223 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: Well, Hey, Derek, I think you did the right thing. 224 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: I really do, and I think you should keep doing it. 225 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: And Maggie, I'm sorry that you don't like it, but 226 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: the best of lux of both of you.