WEBVTT - Honor w/ Aasif Mandvi 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:04.359 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:07.160 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.200 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:10.640 These are our stories. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:31.200 Done done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up, an 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:32.160 SVU podcast. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:33.959 I'm Kara Klank and. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:38.520 I'm Li's a Trigger. We talk SVU true crime celebrity guests. 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:39.480 I'm up top. 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.479 We catch up, we see what's up, catch up and 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:46.000 chat and what has been going on. You've been on 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:50.479 the road. I just went away for a weekends. Tell 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.040 us about your camp weekend. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:53.920 I am. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.040 I do a little camp weekend with my girls every weekend, 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.200 and like last every weekend, every weekend, sorry, every weekend. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.720 She's meeting up with the camps every weekend. I have 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:04.399 no other friends. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.400 No. Every year and last year they actually incorporated it 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.360 with coming to see us on the road. So this 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.920 year I was like, I'll travel for you guys. So 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:14.920 I did go to I flew to New York and 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:16.600 then I drove up to Newport, Rhode Island and it 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.039 was fun. It's very beautiful up there, a lot of 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:24.760 old mansions and uh, we had a blast. I laughed 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.800 a lot and we had fun and yeah, I explained 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.360 podcasting to a bunch of people that don't really know 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.520 about it. You know, it was fun. And a lot 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.399 of them are fans of you. They're like, oh, she 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.880 comes up on my Instagram. She's so funny. I'm like, 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.160 I know, tell me about it. 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.960 I'm on the grand Baby. Well I'm what I'm looking for. 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.039 Because Taylor Swift has a home and Rhode Island, and I'm. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.160 A Watch Hill. I believe she's in Watch Hill. Yeah, 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.120 high watch And you'll be very proud of me. Because 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.200 somebody in our group sent a photo that had obviously 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.640 come up on their Facebook or something of Taylor paddle 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:04.000 boarding with Tavy Gevinson in Rhode Island, and she was like, 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.000 she was there the same weekend as us and I go. Honestly, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.239 the weather was not good for paddleboarding. It was cold, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:10.840 and I don't think her and Tavy had been friends 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:12.840 for a while. I think this picture is old, like 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:16.480 I was like doing tailor like detective work. I was like, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.839 I don't think this is a current picture. Like I'm 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.640 on Business Insider right now. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.120 And she reportedly paid for the mansion by wiring seventeen 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.840 point seventy five million in cash to a realtor in 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:28.680 twenty thirteen. 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:34.120 Can you believe just the amounts the amounts, I'll take 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:35.520 it sending you money. 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.120 I'm sending you a venmo for seventeen million. Did you 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:39.480 get it? Well, it's so funny. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.400 So it's like the dining room seats eight and the 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.359 kitchen comes with amenities like a sub zero fridge. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.960 Yeah, of course it does. What are you talking about. 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.880 It's a seventeen million dollars home, you know, right, there's 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:52.440 a white refrigerator in there. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.760 So like a dining room for eight. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.360 It's like, show me where the indoor like pickleball is 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.600 or whatever, you know, there's got to be And now 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:04.760 you got to show me some shit. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.360 Wait, so why were you guys in Rhode Island? Does 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.200 someone live there or no? And but you guys got 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:11.120 a vacation home. 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.240 Yeah, we got like a. 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.960 Vacation home, very kind of cheesy with like my heart 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.920 is at the beach, you know, follow the waves. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:20.679 Of your you know, all the like beachy shit was 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:21.280 up in the house. 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.960 It was just kind of like everybody lives a little 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.480 bit spread and most people live in the Vermont area, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.639 like near our camp, but it's just like that's really 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:32.120 far for me and my sister to go, and I'm 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.840 already flying across the country. So we just did something 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.360 that was mostly three hours for everybody to get there, 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:38.960 and so it was really fun. 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:44.280 But I also, you guys sing camp songs. No, but 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:45.520 we talk about camp a lot. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.760 We talk about funny stories and like like just funny things, 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:50.760 and a lot of them are still involved and still 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.080 work there, and you know, like I work sometimes there 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:54.960 and you know, it's a lot of and like the 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.520 place has changed a lot. We talk about that and 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.680 how what changes we think are good and bad. You know, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.120 we're in dilums, but they also are all very very funny, 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.200 and we have like a really funny time and just 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.400 like make fun of each other and we had some 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.480 fun dinners out and everything. But I also wanted to 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.480 say that I when I got to New York, I 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:14.960 flew on a red eye, so I got in at 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.520 like seven am. I went to my sister's house and 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:17.880 I was just gonna nap for a little bit, but 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.560 she had summerhouse on, so I was like, oh, I'll 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.120 watch a little summer house. I'll be able to talk 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.279 to Lisa, and it was this episode where first of all, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.200 the girls all have a very very staged conversation in 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.080 an old Navy. 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.840 I'm like, girls, I don't think you're shopping at old Navy. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.520 Like I remember seeing the clip online and going where 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.960 are they with plastic hangers? And then my sister's like, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.039 they're at old Navy and I was like, this is crazy, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.039 but you know, whatever, make the money. But this is 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.920 what blew my mind. And you're gonna think I'm such 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.600 a prude or something. I'm not prude. I just I 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:54.080 watch Housewives I have not seen I saw a scene 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.719 where Danielle gets naked and gets into bed with a 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.920 guy and they just show him going down on her 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.680 and I was like, they're just. 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.560 Showing them Bravo, Like I missed the go down, but 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.120 she was full as crap crawling on a bed. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.320 Yes, and then he's under the covers and then he 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.040 comes up from under the covers. 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.400 See I miss that because I turned away and not 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.880 look at her, but crawling Because I do think she's 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.599 just like I mean, I don't want it's rude, but 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:20.560 like she's pathetic. 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:25.240 Yeah, I mean she seems like a troubled person. But 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.160 I just like was like, she knows cameras are on her, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:29.479 and everybody's just wasted. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:30.920 She's a blackout drunk. Yeah. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.200 It just reminded me of real world shit, like, and 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.839 I just didn't think Bravo kind of had that stuff. 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.760 It's not like I'm oh my god, I've never seen 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.440 reality people get fucked up and have sex. I obviously 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:42.520 have seen it, and on like on Love Island and stuff, 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:43.520 people say that it's like. 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:48.160 Well and you yeah, because in Atlanta they flip the 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:48.880 cameras up. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.880 Yeah, but even on Summer House, Jesse Solomon and it's 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.400 his first season, he brought home a girl and he 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.400 put a towel on the camera. Yeah, Like I saw 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.919 these so fucked up or if she wants people to 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.280 watch or she gets off on I don't really know, 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.960 but her and some game of like I need this 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:09.800 guy to choose me no matter what, And that's all 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.080 that all of this is about, like and not learning, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.479 Like if I saw myself acting the way she's acted 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.599 in the past few seasons of Summer House and Winterhouse, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.760 I would maybe question myself or like figure something out. 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.440 She sees nothing wrong with what she's done. No apology, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:28.040 like no growth. She acted insane on Winterhouse this past season, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.000 and she watched it and was like, no, no regrets. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.680 I think there's like an illness that sets in with 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.480 like the fame or whatever like. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.200 But there wasn't any But this is the thing. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.240 Lindsay and her were friends, and so it was like 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.920 one of Lindsay's friends that she dragged along. And then 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.279 everyone because they hate Lindsay, took Danielle's side last year 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.640 and if you see Paige and Amanda are talking and 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:54.120 they're like, wait, Danielle's kooky, right, Like they finally are 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.920 realizing that she is a wacko that Lindsay kind of 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:59.360 pushed throughout all this. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.559 Yeah, I was just like I felt like an old lady. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:05.039 I was like to my sister, I go, did they 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.320 always show this much nudity? Like I just couldn't believe 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.200 I was seeing a butt crack and like, you know, 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.520 we just don't see that on the Housewives really, Like 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.120 definitely there's allusions to them having sex with pirates and 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:14.760 stuff like that. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.200 We've seen them shit on the. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.880 Floor, sure, I just hadn't seen like a full black 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.800 and white night cam someone getting eaten out on uh 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.960 on Bravo, and I guess I just didn't know that 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:29.160 we were there, but yeah. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:29.040 Yeah, I guess. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.240 So I'm just like, I want Sierra and West to work. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.320 I want Wes to not be so annoyed with not 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:37.360 getting fucked. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:42.000 Yeah, I mean, he is such a little star. I'm 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.640 getting the verb. I'm getting the vibe of the show. Like, 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.360 you know, I my sister goes So you don't watch 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:49.720 the show, you seem to know a lot about what's 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:50.000 going on. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.440 I go, well, Lisa tells me a lot. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.680 But also if you follow Bravo and Botox or Bravo 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.920 Bitches or whatever, like all the accounts you through osmosis, 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:00.880 I know about people that are below Deck. I know 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.360 about people that are on Summerhouse. You know, so I 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.480 kind of know the main drips and drops. But now 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.600 my big thing is like I like, I mean, I 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.200 was interviewing my sister, I was like, so, what do 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:12.280 you think about Lindsay and Carl? 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:13.280 Do you think Carl is gay? 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.560 Like I was just giving getting all of her opinions 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:19.160 on it, But I'm gonna watch I have it all 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:20.320 on my DVR for this season. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.240 I'm gonna get into it now, yeah. 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.920 Because they are just so troubled in their relationship. But 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.440 this idea that Carl's an angel and Lindsay's a manipulative 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.120 psycho is just so played out and wrong and like 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:34.160 I don't know. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.120 I don't yeah, Like I saw this conversation with his 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.280 parents where I was like, yeah, like they're sitting here 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.320 telling you not to get married, but like they're only 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:43.040 hearing your. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.000 Side of it, Like I don't know, it just it didn't. 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:46.440 But also they shouldn't get married, but you should have 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.719 this conversation with your wife. Like It's just what I'm 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.120 seeing now online is that he was very much setting 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.679 this all up to leave her in this big way. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:55.880 Like instead of talking to her. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.760 It's kind of sand of all ish of like I'm 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.600 gonna win this breakup, right, to set it up in 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.760 the way I need it to look, so don't I 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.559 look good? Because it's also this idea is because he's 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.920 sober and he has gone through tragedy that he's suddenly 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.200 at this like great person and it's right. No, he's 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.280 been awful to women since season one, and we can 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.800 say it's just substance abuse, but it's not because we 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:23.040 know someone that sent me an apology email or DM 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.880 that's been like an asshole to me. And he was 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.440 very much like I'm getting sober, blah blah blah, can 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.319 you forgive me? And I was going to take a 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:35.160 few moments before responding, and I was gonna respond like, good. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.760 Luck on sobriety. That's very hard. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.200 I support you, but also I think you have a 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.080 regressive view on race and women that has nothing to 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.880 do with your alcoholism. Yeah, but before I can even respond, 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:49.319 he started contacting mutual friends of ours and trying to 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.280 get my phone number and relaying more apologies, and he 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.760 wanted to be forgiven right then and there. And I 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.600 was like, oh, that's actually not how sobriety or nine steps, 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.440 tens or whatever twelve steps work. And I talked to 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.920 someone else who's been sober for decades who's like, that's 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.160 not how this works. And I'm like, yeah, you can't 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:10.120 demand forgiveness. But then since then, I've gotten clips of 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.520 him in my explore page or like it showed something 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.720 showed up on my YouTube yesterday, and he does suck. 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.720 It's like alcohol or not, you suck. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.800 It's him talking about how he hates Neil deGrasse Tyson 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.280 because he doesn't hate trans people. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.120 It's like it's crazy, yeah, sober or not? I hate 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.679 your worldview, like you know. 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.680 Yeah so. And also like what. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.360 Carl is mad at is lindsay going, can you please 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:32.840 make a job? 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:33.440 Have a job. 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:35.080 I need you to make money so if we have 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.040 a kid, I can like stay home for a little bit. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.280 And he's like that crazy bitch wants me to work, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:44.080 and it's like, you are actually in your forties and 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.160 why don't you have a job, Like she's not the 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.520 crazy one. But then also what the internet is saying 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.280 is like we're denying that they're not on this show 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:53.199 that they're making money for and that he is making 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:54.959 money off the internet and like deals. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.800 So I don't know. But they also live in an 0:10:58.800 --> 0:10:59.959 apartment that's ten grand a month. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.720 Yeah, and Caitlin was saying Cage's place is like nine 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:05.360 grand a month. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.120 I was like, damn, Page. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.000 Has one of the top five podcasts in the world 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.719 right now, and she does fashion things with Amazon and 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:20.440 she does correspondence stuff like Age is making money, so 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.120 that's different. She can afford it, but Carl doesn't. Like 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.800 he's also not living there. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.400 well I don't know, but it's so funny. So on 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.080 my little my trip with some friends, one of my 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.440 guy friends mentioned like, how Arianna it's to get over 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.840 Sandoval and not be angry, And I fucking lost it 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:43.520 on this motherfucker. I was just giving fact. After he goes, wait, 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:45.360 you know a lot more than I do. I go, yeah, 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.839 that's why it's confusing. You have dumb ass opinions like that, 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.640 you're way in and after I just I was like, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.480 and then this and the house, and he goes, that's 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.240 his mom, and he's like, I don't know any of this. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.480 I'm like, yeah, so stop it. 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.840 Stop fucking defending your shit when you know nothing about him. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.880 He still owes his mother two hundred thousand dollars, Like fuck. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:05.800 Off, he still does. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:06.559 Oh my god. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.720 Anyone being like Arianna, move on, it's like it's also 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.000 it's TV. So if it was a TV plot, yes, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:15.800 you would want someone to move on. In a TV 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.160 plot of scripted characters, you'd be like, we've been on this. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:18.560 For too long. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.880 They're real people like this really happened to her in 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.480 front of the whole fuck three months ago. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.520 Yeah, like she's gonna be unpacking it forever, and people 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.440 are using her like financial and like fame, success and 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.120 already dating someone as like reasons to like, well, then 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:37.640 you're over it, right, it's nine years. It took me like, yeah, 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:41.600 I don't know. It's misogyny everywhere. I guess, I don't know. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.840 I went to a little party last week that I 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.440 know that I would have gone to with you if 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:48.600 you were still living in la. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.760 But yeah, it was out there. 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.400 It was tough because I think it was in one 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:55.240 of the locations I've always dreamed of going. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.040 Yes, So I was like, well, I can I think 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:00.440 I can say. I mean, I I went to the 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.600 Hack season three premiere party at the Chateau Marmont, and 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.440 I had only ever been to the Chateau Marmont one time, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.880 to the bar when I brought my parents, which is 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.520 so crazy, but I lived up the street from it, 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.480 like I lived down the street from it for so long. 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.800 My parents were in town, and I was like, oh, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.720 let's just go pop. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:21.600 In there and have a drink at the bar. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.480 And it was early, so they were like and it 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.439 was a Saturday, but they were like, yeah, you guys 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.320 can sit here, but like in ninety minutes, we have 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:28.880 to give your table away. We were like great, So 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.280 we just had like a drink and saw a little 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.200 bit of the bar, but I had never seen like 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.760 the hotel and everything. And when I first walked in, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.200 people were smoking cigarettes, and I just remember thinking, that's weird, 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.760 Like La is a really anti cigarette town. It feels 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.400 like there's parts of LA like Burbank, where it is 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.320 completely illegal to smoke anywhere outside that's public, like you 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.920 have to smoke on your own property. And I just 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.360 was like surprised. And my friend that went with me 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.439 was like, he goes, well, it's the chateau. It's kind 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.920 of anything goes here. And I was like, oh, I 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.040 didn't even know. He knows everything about it. 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.400 Was a guy who was it. No, I did go 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:02.880 with Guy. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.280 I drove Guy, but I brought my friend John Millheiser 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.160 as my h Okay, okay, it's a very funny comic. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.319 Follow him on Instagram. He's so funny everybody. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.840 He is the one who got us Marsha Gay Harden, Yes, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.880 famously famously he was our connect to Marcia Gay and 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:19.120 he so Guy. 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.080 I ended up picking up Guy as well, so the 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:23.120 three of us showed up together. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.440 We were kind of like a crew the whole time. 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.360 But I got to meet funny people I know from 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.560 the Internet that I that I got to be friend 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:32.880 and it was really fun and I saw a lot 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.040 of fun people, and I was like, this would have 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.160 been a really great Lisa moment if she was still 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:37.720 in LA. 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:42.240 But you know, it was you're having great moments. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.160 Because I love that show and I've always wanted to 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:44.920 go to the Chateau. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:45.480 So that was hard. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:46.960 But I did get an invite, and I think I'm 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.120 going to go to the Tom Brady Roast. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.680 Oh wait, where is that? It's here. It's gonna be 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.960 at the key of Forum. Yeah, that's like where I saw. 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:58.040 That's like where Madonna played. No, she was at Staples. No, 0:14:58.680 --> 0:14:59.480 she was at the Forum. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.080 Oh at the switch maybe because well we got tickets. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.840 It was safe, I remember, but I but I actually 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.720 spoke to John Early at the Cans. I was talking 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:09.800 to John about the Madonna concert and he said it 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:14.000 was so awesome because the concert was just like this 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:16.920 isn't for kids, like Madonna is for adults. 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:17.680 And that's what I. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.080 Like about, you know, I could I could have told 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.240 him that when I went with my family during the 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.720 Round World tour, I could have definitely told him it 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.240 was not a family. 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:28.720 Friendly concert, family event. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.720 Yeah, John Earley was actually just on Watch What Happens Live. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:34.640 It was really exciting. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:42.720 Come now his Indian made Yeah, I guess I'll announce 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:48.320 I am going to film on Netflix our special. I'm 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:53.080 excitedly excited, and that's gonna be June fourth in New York. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.760 You can go to my page if you'd like to 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.240 get tickets, but I'd like for it to sell out 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.120 sooner than later, so get to it. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.000 And if you forget where she said to go, also, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.880 that's messed up. Live dot com has a link that 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.920 says Lisa's website and that takes you to all of 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.280 her ticket links for all of her road stuff and 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.920 the Netflix thing. And we've already announced it on our Instagram, 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.040 but some of you aren't following us there, so you 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.360 know if you are, uh, if you already know, but 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.480 if you're in the New York area anywhere, get tickets. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:22.320 There's two shows. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.560 I think I'm gonna Yeah, it's gonna be a cool background, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:26.240 cool outfit. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.359 I gotta, you know, figure out my set. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:28.520 But. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.880 I'm like so pumped. I think it's gonna be amazing. Yeah, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.920 she's a Netflix thoroughly everybody. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.320 Yeah, the industry is fucksed right now. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.920 So it does feel very you know, it feels like 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:43.320 a huge I. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.240 Literally keep everybody keeps going how is everything? And I go, well, 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.360 La is kind of terrible and everybody is upset, but 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.640 Lisa's having the greatest year of all time. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:54.160 Like I'm like, Lisa's doing great. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:55.280 But no. 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.920 At this Hacks party, I was talking to people whose 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.160 names I will not mention, who are well known and 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:05.920 wealthy that were like, yeah, things are not looking good 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:07.960 out there right now, and I was like, you're struggling. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.480 Oh no, Like so it's just it's just, you know what, 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:13.920 Ella is in a rebuilding year after some strikes, and 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.800 now twenty twenty five, you can expect to probably see 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.440 a lot of good shit. But in the meantime, Lisa's 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.760 crushing it. Go see her live and tape her Netflix. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:25.840 Oh I okay, so sorry. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.840 I keep talking about Soul Cycle as much as I do, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.680 but I guess you know, that's what happens to me. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.720 I went to the best class I have ever been 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.840 to the theme was well also, Jordan, this teacher was 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.119 out of this world. I think I have a new 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.320 favorite teacher in New York, Diego forever in La but 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.560 Tea Pain Pitbull Usher O. 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:46.800 I love that. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.840 I don't think I've ever been so hyped in my life. 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.800 I was so tired afterwards. I did take a nap 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:52.920 till ten thirty at night. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.359 Like it was because. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:56.800 Even up top, she goes, listen, There's not going to 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.679 be any spiritual moments. We're just going hard and nothing 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.280 is better than t Paint Usher Pitbull. 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:06.160 I mean, I like it was electric. It was electric. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:06.520 You know. 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.560 One of my favorite songs I used to work out 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.720 to was an Usher song called Without You that I 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.360 think is like with David Ghetta or something. It has 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.679 like slow moments and then it like really freaking pumps 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.480 up like and I think that's probably the vibe of 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:23.600 a lot of the Tea Paint mister worldwide Pitbull and uh. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.639 Uh just electric. Tonight, I'm going into a Taylor Swift 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:27.679 Muna ride. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.840 So I met one of the Muna's at the thing 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:32.080 and we talked about you. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.119 Sure you did? Okay? Love that? Okay? 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.959 I was being mentioned at the Chateau, which is all 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.600 your air. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:42.320 Your name was in the air at the chateau. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.720 And the band number I met from MUNA was so 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.040 nice and was like, oh. 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.679 You owe that thing with Lisa she I love her, 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:51.440 blah blah blah. 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.880 So yeah, you are beloved by at least one third 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.560 of MUNA, which is very, very huge to me. Yeah, 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.639 that'll be a fun ride. The only other thing I 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.480 had written down on my little notes to talk to 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.600 you about was I did watch Mean Girls the musical 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:06.840 yesterday on my flight home. 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:09.920 Okay, I've seen it. Did we talk about it at all? 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:11.080 I think, I don't think so. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.720 I know you've seen the musical, so I wasn't sure 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:14.760 if you'd seen the movie yet. 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.520 I saw it on a plane as well. Okay. 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.600 And I think Renee Rap is so talented. She's like 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.520 a great talent. And I think Rachel McAdams is incredible. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.399 But I think Amanda Seifried is a talent, and it 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.200 is very clear when you watch the updated version that 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.240 like what a master she is at what she does. 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:37.640 But with Renee Rap watching her, I'm like, oh, you're 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.960 fucking good every moment, every face to like, I just 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.320 am like a few can of hers. I thought it 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.320 was fun, awesome. Yeah, it was a good time. But 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.840 and I don't think it's trying to replace the original 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.600 in any capacity. So that's why we don't have to 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.480 fully compare it. But it doesn't compare it. But yes, it. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.960 Doesn't compare the two. I would say the exact same thing. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:00.800 I would like the two other girls, the Karen and 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.720 the Gretchen, were so sweet and cute girls, and I 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.560 would love to see them do more stuff. They just 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.520 don't really hold a candle, I think to the two originals. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.520 But then Renee rap I was like, you do have 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.640 something that is a more modern mean girl thing going 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.160 on that I liked about her. You know, they aged 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.280 her into today, and yeah. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:20.440 I love that. 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:26.800 To Meadows and Tina Fan, I love that. But this 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.639 is very It's taken the hair Spray journey, right. It 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.479 was like Hair Spray the movie, then the musical, than 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.199 the musical on Broadway, and then a movie based on 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:34.199 the musical from Broadway. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.880 Like yeah, a lot of. 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:39.520 Yes, but I thought it was It was definitely a 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.720 great plain movie. I thought it was really fun and 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.479 I liked a lot of the music, and I had 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.360 never heard really any of it, except for I'd heard 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.240 that Apex Predator song a little bit somewhere, but I 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:48.960 really hadn't. 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:50.720 Heard any of the music. What did you think of 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.560 the main girl though, the Katie character. 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.919 Yeah, yeah, it was fine. Everything, everyone was fine. But 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.240 the thing is, I'm glad people can sing. I love 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.119 the music from I like the songs like I was 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.719 very into that that kind of element. I also have 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.760 to give a shout out to the person that did 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:09.919 come out of their way to come see me perform 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:14.760 at Springfield, Missouri for my friend Kenny's Funeral festival, and 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.520 I would say my set was unhinged and maybe people 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:23.879 shouldn't have come to see me there. But afterward she's like, 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:26.800 we traveled to Springfield to see you, and I was like, oh, 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:27.600 I forgot that. 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.240 Maybe I just do comedy. I did go last. 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.920 I was the last comedian of the whole festival, and 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.040 I would just say I wish I didn't have that pressure, 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.560 because I buckled under the pressure. Everyone else was so funny, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.560 people were destroying, they were amazing, and I did call 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:46.560 a woman a cut in the front row listen, and I. 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:48.440 Think that's just what Kenny would have wanted. 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.919 I have to be honest, I think that's something he 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:52.800 would have been like classic Lisa. 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.760 Yeah, it was really it was a class it was 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.840 I mean it was fun, but I felt, you know, 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.480 a little like eh, but yeah, but it was funny 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.720 to then take a photo with someone who was excited 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.680 to come and I was like, you couldn't wait till 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.440 I was in Saint Louis. But if you are listening, 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.840 thank you for being there and you know coming to 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:15.320 that show. 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.159 Yeah, and we're gonna get started. But just wanted to 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.360 remind people that if you want to support our beautiful 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.560 little show and buy any of the products that we 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:29.159 talk about in our ads exactly rightmedia dot com forward 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.560 slash promos baby, you can find and also I'm posting 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.320 them actually, like today I'm going to post a story 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.000 with all the promo codes in it, so there will 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.080 be a highlight in our stories that has all of 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:42.720 our promo codes. Like, so if you are interested in 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:44.880 any of the stuff that we've talked about and you're like, wait, 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:46.359 what was the promo code, they're all going to live 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:49.400 there also available at a link at that's messed up 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.919 live dot com, as well as links to Lisa's stuff 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.520 links to my stuff, links to our shop where you 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:57.200 can buy some of our merch. 0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.560 Well, and our new merch is so cute. 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:01.560 I just it's got the mug and the toe bag 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.240 and the mail so fucking cute. 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.199 So the T shirt and the mug are sold out 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.000 right now. The toe bag is still up there. There's 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.760 some smaller items, but also we're gonna be getting more 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:11.600 of the T shirts soon, so stay tuned for that. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.800 And that's that's that. On match we get started. I 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.480 think we gotta we gotta here we go. 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:25.119 All right, I would say, yay, but this isn't it. 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:30.280 This isn't a YA episode. Okay, we're doing Honor season two, episode. 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:31.840 Two, not a YA episode. 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.159 No, I would say, I get ready to get very sad, 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:38.000 you know. 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:41.280 Get ready to be devastated, devastated, devastated. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:44.240 So we're in a park and it's a full on 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.119 crime scene, and then a horse cop is telling Benson 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.359 and Stabler in a walk and talk that you know, 0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:54.239 a woman was found moaning, bleeding and half naked and 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:58.479 the face and privates beaten. And early seasons and then 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.800 late seasons, I feel graph you know, we got like yeah, 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.600 fifteen years in the middle where it was not as 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:06.920 and then the first few and the last few. 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.640 Just they wanted to grab our attention. 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.520 And then maybe like after Stabler life, no, like a 0:24:12.640 --> 0:24:14.840 it was way after Stabler left that they started going 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:16.080 back into the violent stuff. 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:17.359 I don't know why, I don't know. 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.440 But and then so we see your body being put 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.480 on a stretcher, but there are also rocks that are bagged, 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.639 and so some cop goes an old fashioned stoning and 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.679 then it's a rape as well, stab wound on the 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.639 chest as like the left side so towards the heart. 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:38.560 And then the EMT New York accidents are so strong 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:40.720 it seems like they should be working at a pizza shop, 0:24:40.840 --> 0:24:44.639 not with sensitive people. But you know, it happens. And 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:49.480 then they also Stabler says wilding is back in vogue, 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.200 and Benson does not like that at all. And also 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.080 I've never really they say wilding a lot in this 0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:56.680 and I. 0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:00.040 Yeah, it's a reference to the Central Park jogger ca 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:05.040 I think because that was called a wilding and that 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.840 happened in like like ten years earlier than this episode. 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:10.600 But it was like a pretty big thing in New York. Well, 0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:11.560 I think in the world. 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.359 Yeah, because it came up, yeah again in the twenty 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.920 sixteen you know, elections and stuff like it was kind 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:19.200 of exactly. 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.720 But I don't know, like, well, we learned a really. 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.800 Good lesson, you know, like you don't be in the 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:29.120 park after dark and don't be black and alive, so that. 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:29.840 Yeah, exactly. 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:31.879 I was gonna say, like, I know, I'm not saying 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:34.160 like a wilding has never happened, but I do think 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:38.159 that they were exaggerated by racists and like people that 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.119 were like any group of boys hanging out together that 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.240 might not have white skin tone are getting ready to 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.640 just fully attack people like a pack of animals. 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:48.280 And that's just not factual. 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:52.159 So you know, yeah, not factual at all. 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:53.399 I mean, yeah, they. 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.720 Sat, I mean Central Park five, yes, which, yeah, I'm 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.560 going to touch on it later. I'm not actually covering 0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:00.439 that today, but yeah, yeah, I. 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.199 Think that's one we're avoiding. I would feel like it 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:06.440 comes up a lot and we're like later, later, it's coming. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:09.800 It's like William Lewis, it's coming. We're just avoiding it. 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:12.359 Yeah, I think we were avoiding this one, but I'll 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.080 be I'll do I'll do a coming up. We got 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:16.760 a great guess. We had to do it. Yeah, that 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:23.160 had to do it. So he stays behind. Stabler stays 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.119 behind to work the scene. She enters the bus to 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:27.320 go to the hospital with the victim, and then Cragan 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.399 is in full Oh my god, I didn't even write credits. 0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:32.240 I always write credits in my notes, and I didn't 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:34.240 even write them in this. But that is where the 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:38.760 credits happen, so I do know scene by scene. So 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.880 then Cragan's in full suspender glory. He comes out annoyed 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.159 that the brass is calling him so much and he 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:47.359 has no information for them. And Benson's in a tank top, 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.919 so that's pretty exciting. And then she says, all we 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.000 have it's a female Jane do probably in her twenty 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.200 is no id, no knife. She was mumbling in the bus, 0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.919 but Benson couldn't make anything out. Finn then hangs up 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:00.679 the phone and he looks silly as fuck. You know, 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.040 a blue and white striped shirt. This is his vest era. 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:07.200 But they he tells everyone, they poured four units into her, 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:09.560 and so that's of blood and that's a lot of 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.600 blood loss. You're a you're a blood donator. That's a lot, right, Yeah, 0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:15.520 that's a lot that feels like a lot, so very 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:18.960 very touch and go the rape kit, you know everything 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.800 hair seaman, bruising and blood from a freshly ripped Timan. 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.720 So, yeah, I am not happy saying it. You're not 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:28.439 happy hearing it. 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:36.000 Craigan, Uh yeah, o case he's upset, Okay, Sogan. Craigan's 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.600 crossing guards everyone, and we end up with Benson and 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.440 Stable are talking to the park cop and he's defensive 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.040 as fuck. He's like, my park is safe, and then 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:47.440 again it's like, are you sure it's not a wilding 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.480 and he's like, it's an incident, it's an anomaly. He 0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.240 keeps wagging his fingers. He's not being helpful, and they're 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.320 left in the dust. So then they go to the 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:57.840 horse cop and the horse cop talks about the park 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.840 cop and he's like, he gave you the knot in 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:02.920 mind park routine, huh, And he's like he's just worried 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.199 about his own ask getting dragged by the brass. And 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:08.600 then the horse cop says pretty young thing, which does 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.639 remind me of Stabler going, ain't no bad I heard you? 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:17.119 Wang is no big fang. Yeah, in the future, so 0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.840 we kind of. I guess there was maybe one writer 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:24.960 who really love to write thang. He then says that 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.800 middle class kids on bikes are pretending to be gangsters 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.240 and they're bothering people in the park and it is 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:33.800 a pattern. But the park cop didn't realize it till yesterday, 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.439 so he's feeling like nervous about that and getting in trouble. 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.280 So then we go to the home of Chris Lyons, 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.320 you know, one of the suburban teens. 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.040 Well, I guess still a city kid, but whatever. 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.880 And then the dad answers and goes, ugh, what now, 0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.400 So he knows his kid sucks, and the dad. 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:51.480 Is like totally used to it. 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:53.560 He goes, just call her attorney, hands over the card 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.880 and Benson's like, easy way or hard way? You want 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:57.920 to search warrant. He goes, fine, fine, we'll meet you 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.360 our attorney's office. So the boy has spikey gel hair, 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.040 like the some forty one lead singer Crispy and high. 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.840 The lawyer, yeah, yeah, that's a rough the one that 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:09.800 was married to Avril. 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:16.000 I didn't realize they were married, but yeah, yeah yeah. 0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.440 The lawyer is like, that's just my quintessential hit, Like 0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.400 what would you say, to compare that hair, what comes 0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:23.480 to mind for you? 0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:29.600 No, I that's correct, That is correct. I'm thinking like 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.520 that's the reference. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.800 So the lawyer is like, I mean, or people from 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:37.400 my high school, I can name name. 0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:42.480 By name, specifically specifically Larry Jones, like his hair was ridiculous. 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:43.440 Yeah. 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.120 The lawyers like, why are you harassing my client? And 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.200 they're like, we hate him. And then they asked where 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.200 he was early that morning and the dad's like, you're sick. 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:51.240 We heard about that case. 0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.160 There's no way my son is a poser, like he 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.120 didn't do this, he wasn't there. And the dad grabs 0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:00.240 a son's arm and goes, don't you say another word, 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:02.320 And the detectives are like, shut up, we want him 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.440 to talk, and the dad's like, no, he's actually fifteen, 0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.440 so shut the fuck up. Benson's beeper goes off, so 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.040 we can tell what time this really is. Is this pretty yeah? 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.880 Pre nine to eleven? Okay, so the beeper is buzzin'. 0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.040 Also, besides beeper, the word poser was at its peak. 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.640 I would say at this time, oh really, like, oh 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.600 my gosh, when I was like, I mean, when I 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.920 was like in like high school, I feel like poser 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.080 was like a slur, like it was like the worst 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:29.760 thing you could call someone. You're like, I don't know, 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:32.360 she's kind of a poser, Like, oh, it was so 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.720 bad you never wanted to get called that. 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.680 No, And so then finally I do love this line 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.480 so much. The boy says, so we like to look 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:44.880 at the ladies, but what happened to that lady? 0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:46.200 We're not down with that. 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.000 And he does have a librae piercing if you're wondering. 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.600 He was online till one am and it wasn't him. 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.800 So Benson's like, okay, we'll keep in touch, and they leave. Basically, 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.880 the beeper was the lab. It's not what we thought. 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.000 The victim only had one person's DNA inside of her. 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:05.080 She was dumped after she was stabbed because she lost 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:06.920 so much blood, but all that blood was not on 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:07.400 the scene. 0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:09.360 And this Emmy is a blonde woman. 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.600 The fibers that we found were white caught and found 0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.880 on the clothes, legs and genitals, and the attack followed 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.840 the rate by eight hours. And then there's one bloody 0:31:18.840 --> 0:31:21.720 print on a rock, then on her clothes. There's so 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.000 much blood and it says Hanford University. So they obviously 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:27.840 go down to Hanford and they talk to an admissions 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.240 office and they're just like searching on a database for 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.040 women after woman after woman, and they think they find her. 0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.520 Her name is Nafisa Amir and she's twenty three years old. 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.840 She's at the School of Journalism. She lives in the 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:43.200 East Village and they send over the photo ID to 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.080 Munch and so now Munch and Finn show up at 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.720 the address and a man with a bandage answers the door. 0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:52.160 They ask for a mister Tarzi and he's like, oh, 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:55.440 he doesn't live here anymore. I'm David Hamoud and they 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.600 ask for an IDA. He's like, he only has a 0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:01.280 Social Security card, his passports and a safety deposit box 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:02.920 and he doesn't drive, so he doesn't have an ID. 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:05.760 So they cut to the chase and show a photo 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:07.840 of a Fisa and he's like, nope, who is she? 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.360 I have no idea. They ask how long he's lived there. 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.760 He says he just moved in last week. So he 0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.040 scurries off, but he says he'll be back at night 0:32:15.080 --> 0:32:17.600 if they want to chat more. So Benson and Sabler 0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:19.400 are still at the college and they show the photo 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:21.800 of the woman to someone else and a woman's like, 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.120 oh my god, but I don't know, I don't know. 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:23.600 If that's her. 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:26.400 She you know, if it is, she actually missed class 0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.000 this morning, and she never misses class, so obviously it's her. 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.360 The professor talks to her all the time, and they 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.320 do have a bond, it seems like. And a Fisa 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:35.760 loves the freedom of the press and it doesn't exist 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:39.000 where she's from with the Taliban government. The professor is like, 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.880 unless she's snuck out of the country, her parents must 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.800 be here, like women can't just move about freely. And 0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.360 she does know her best friend her her name is 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.320 Annette Fleming. They go to talk to her. Annette is 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.880 crying on a bench. She's so sad. She just saw 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.400 her in class yesterday. They ask if anything was wrong 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.920 in a FSA's life, and Annette goes, no, the opposite. 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:00.000 She was loving life. 0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.440 She wouldn't talk about her boyfriend and it was a 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.040 way of protecting herself from her father, an Afghan diplomat, 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.800 and she thought he had been looking for her, so 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:11.560 she was a little freaked out and if he had 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.400 his way, she says, Annett wouldn't even be friends with 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.600 the FISA. He's a control freak, you know. She wouldn't. 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:18.880 She would leave. 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:20.600 With the full robes. She call it the robes. 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:22.800 It's obviously a full as Berka, and then she would 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:23.520 leave the house in that. 0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:24.840 And at school she changed. 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.200 She hated so much that she had to live like that, 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:31.000 and she was talking to Professor Husseini who was helping 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.120 her to adjust, and she kept the clothing in her locker. 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.479 So that's the next stop. We go to the locker. 0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:39.440 Benson starts going through the bag and they talk about 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.600 Kathleen and how pissed she would be if she couldn't 0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:44.480 wear jeans. So they find a photo of a dude 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.720 and the address is on the east side and it 0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:51.000 is the home of Salah and Aziza Amir and the 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.240 mom is only eyes visible Burka. She's sitting in silence 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.160 on the couch. And the dad, as a matter of fact, 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.920 he's not sad at all. They're like, she's in the 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:01.800 hospital and he's like, is she dead and they go, no, 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:04.200 she's in critical condition. He goes, h she did not 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:09.239 understand her place, And it's confusing that anyone thinks this 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.719 is actual strength, like not letting them do anything and 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.480 be like this is actually it's very powerful of me 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.960 to do this. It's like crazy. But this guy's a psychopath. 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.400 So she turns her back, like he goes, she turns 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:24.040 her back on traditions and again, yeah, why wouldn't. 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:24.920 She love this great life? 0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.000 So then he says, well, we have a son, Jalil, 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.200 but she's dead to me, and so now it's a 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:35.120 walk and talk. Craigan is really confused about this. He's like, whoa, 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:38.040 So it's her fault. She was raped, and Benson goes, yep, 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:40.560 she brought shame and dishonor to her family. They be 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.000 head women for that, he says. So Munch says, my 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.200 wife dishonored me, and all I have to pay her 0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:49.440 is alimony. So that's nice, a nice little comedic break. 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.799 Then Stabler says, look what's in the knapsack? No one 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.520 calls it a knapsack? What the fuck you bloom our bitch, 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.719 it's a picture of a man. They're like, I wonder 0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:02.920 who this man could be. But also these diplomats are 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.440 covered with immunity, so like, you know. 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:07.080 What do we do? 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.520 The only way we can contact them is updates on 0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:11.360 the daughter, or we'll get in big trouble. 0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:12.680 Crazy, Why do we have that? 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.400 Why is it like you're coming to another country to 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:19.080 do business in our country politically, so feel free to 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.000 just like violate whatever law and do whatever. 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.200 I just don't get it. I don't either. 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:25.080 I don't get why we were just like, oh, but 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.719 you're here on diplomatic business, Like, feel free to gamble, 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:30.279 kill someone, do what E's like. 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:30.960 I don't get it. 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:34.480 But if someone is a diplomat, let us know if 0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.400 we have a diplomat listening to this podcasts, I mean, let's. 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:38.319 Call it a day. We did it. 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.920 Then Munch looks at the photo of the man and 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.440 it's the dude from earlier who said he's never heard 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:44.759 of her. 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:49.200 Yeah. Yeah, So they go pick him up, all hands 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:49.600 on deck. 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.960 The walkie talkies are so giant, and then he walks 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.399 and sees Fin and drops all the groceries. This guy 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.160 like on the street and he starts running, but Staylor 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.800 meets him on another side. He crosses a street, stable 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.320 runs over a taxi, Finn tackles him. Munch arrives and 0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:05.960 then the guy goes, you will not find her. I 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:07.960 will never tell you where she is. You will never 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.799 find her. Okay, they read him his rights, they stuff 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.120 him in a car. His name is dau Tarzi. He's 0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:17.160 thirty three, no priors, so Immigration said he got there 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.479 in eighty eight. He became a citizen in ninety three, 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:24.399 and he does exports and imports. Aka Seinfeld Costanza, Let's 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:28.279 go our vandal a. Yes, he asked how bad is she? 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.279 They say critical? He says, I'm responsible for this. I 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:35.480 love her, so he explains that we argued she ran out. 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:38.160 When asked what they were fighting about, he says, who cares. 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.920 Her father already won his twisted sense of honor revenge 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.799 for leaving home. And basically they were fighting because she 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.240 had a hard time letting that old school traditional shit 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:50.640 go and her family. And he's like, girl, like, let's 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.319 go be free together. And this is really interesting, you know, 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.680 like this type of lifestyle in any sort of super 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.240 religious sect where you're just subject, like your life doesn't 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.600 matter as a woman, You're like, why wouldn't you leave? 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.040 And it's like, yeah, you'll never see your family again. 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.120 You know, there is that connection, Like I understand why 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:11.960 it's so hard where you're like, fuck, like, I'm also 0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:15.200 leaving my mom behind and you do still have this 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:17.640 love and it's it's hard. 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.520 I feel for all these kids that. 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.839 Yeah, have a hard time letting go even though they 0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:26.000 know that's not the life they want to live, but 0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.680 it is. It's basically saying you'll never see your family again. 0:37:30.640 --> 0:37:31.799 Yeah, but I hate that. 0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:34.839 And also, just going back a second, this man needs 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:36.880 to You just need to not say to the cops 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.719 this is my I'm responsible for this, or this is 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.360 all my faults. Just like, even if you feel the 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.319 immense weight of guilt because somebody ran out of your 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.040 fight with you and they got hit by a car, 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:48.440 please don't say that to the cops. 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.520 They are going to use it as a confession against you. 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.640 Well yeah, yeah, especially because they already mirandized you. 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:59.880 Bro. Yeah, So he goes, listen, I did overreact. Basically, 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:02.880 he dared her to leave like they were fighting, and 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.680 he's like, fine, then fucking leave. And he never thought 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:07.719 she would leave. He loves her so much he wanted 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.200 to marry her. Craigan tells Munch to go talk to 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.279 people who heard them fight. So we're talking to a 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.800 guy who seems to be a super of the building, 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.279 and he did hear the fight, but it was in 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.960 their language, which was gibberish to him, and so he 0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.719 didn't know what they were fighting about. But you know, 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.440 one person ran out, another person stayed and turned the 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.480 TV on. They enter the home and there's a photo 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.960 and they grab the photo and they're like, wow, they 0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:33.920 looked happy, you know. Benson goes, they look happy and 0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:36.239 Sabler goes, yeah, they all look happy. So then they 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.439 find a bloody bed sheet. Uh oh, and the lab 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:40.520 says the blood is hers and the semen is his. 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:44.480 So but it's not a match to the stones, so 0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.759 we don't know what's going on. Cabot is leaning on 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:48.960 a desk, Stabler is leaning on a door, and Benson's 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.640 leaning on the other side of the doorframe. Cabot says, 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:54.200 fuck the rocks, it's her blood, and his semen like 0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:58.160 bing bing bong. Okay, And then we're at a raiment court, 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.360 Part sixty nine. 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:00.800 Okay. 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.080 He's being charged with one count of attempted murderer and 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.000 the second degree in one count of rape in the 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:08.719 first degree, you know, the drill. 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:09.560 So he's being. 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.680 Charged with one count of attempted murder and the second 0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:13.720 degree and one count of rape in the first degree, 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:14.879 and you know the. 0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:17.279 Drill remand remand no let him go. 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.920 Okay, So the judge puts them in remand and her 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.040 parents are in the back of the courtroom, and his 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.759 lawyer runs and tells Cabot like dell Wood wanted me 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:26.240 to tell you that that his parents. 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.000 Her parents are here, And why are they there? Like 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:31.560 they didn't even give a shit if she was dead 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:33.359 or not, Like, why are they there? I don't really 0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:33.719 get it. 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.920 Well, I have a theory, but that'll give away some 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:40.200 information from later, okay. And also he is willing to 0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.080 do a lie detector test, So they go to the 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.840 lie detector test and he passes, and Saber's like, so 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:46.960 he fooled a box. Who gives a shit in Cabits like, okay, 0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:48.439 But if he can fool a box, he can fool 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.960 a jury. So and then she has a wild idea 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.600 maybe he's telling the truth. Who would a thunk give? 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.600 So they're like, well, who else knew about this relationship? 0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:01.200 And Stabler remembers about a professor who is helping a 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.400 visa adapt to America. So we're gonna go chat with 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.799 him and we find as if Mondvy and he's had 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.239 an illustrious career, but to me, he's always just the 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.560 sad Mac guy from Sex and the City. 0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:12.800 Sad sad Mac. 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.840 Oh my gosh, that's what he was in Sex and 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:17.320 the City. 0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:22.080 Oh yeah, you got sad maced Oh my god, yes, yes. 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:26.120 I also can Apple please bring back the colorful laptops? 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:27.160 Like why won't they do it? 0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:31.960 Nostalgia is in that's all we want, Like like I 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.880 don't understand why I can't have a fun, little, clear 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:36.840 and colorful little laptop. 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.560 They gotta figure it out. They just boring. 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.880 It's it's silver, black, rose gold, right, that's like all 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:44.480 we have right now. 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.799 Or they'll be like it's midnight and it's like it's 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.279 fucking black, shut up, charcoal. 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:52.160 Yeah it's yeah. 0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:59.120 I just it's just Nostalgia's so in everybodys does. 0:40:58.560 --> 0:40:59.640 It want to go away from. 0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:03.120 Like their aesthetic is so clean, it's so sterile, Like 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.439 they're not just they're just like I know we did 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.040 have the big colorful Max, but I feel like now 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:11.120 their whole thing is just like the headphones are only white, 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:15.160 you know, like everything is a mid century modern flat I. 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.840 Wonder if you're someone like super rich, famous, maybe a billionaire. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.040 I wonder who I'm thinking of, Like, I wonder if 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:22.719 you can go to Mac and be like, build me 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:23.360 this computer. 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.880 Probably yeah, custom. 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.400 All right, or even if Mac won't do it, some 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:31.800 door will do it for you. 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.719 Who know how, Like you know, my friend Crystal just. 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:36.400 Took a part of computer and put it back together 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:40.239 for fun, you know, like people can do all kinds 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:40.600 of shit. 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:45.400 So it's a walk and talk and basically the professor 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.600 is saying, and they're like outside in the college campus, 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:50.879 and he's like, it's tough to assimilate. There's so many 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:53.480 new things, like even leaving the house alone as a woman, 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.200 she wouldn't be able to do that. And then Benson 0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.719 calls the tally Ben thugs, and I like that. And 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:01.520 also he explains that the actually from the old regime, 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:08.480 like like there the Taliban happened after they left the country, 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.799 so that's kind of wild. The Psycho has been in 0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.799 America for years, so it's strange. But then the professor goes, 0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:17.520 but he could be like a tally Ban mole, like 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.719 we don't really know what his beliefs are or anything, 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.600 but yeah, weird. Just because he doesn't wear the colors 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.640 doesn't mean he's not with the team. So she wanted 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.799 to live as a modern woman, he explains, and she 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.239 had to choose family or her future, and she had 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.799 to leave her parents home. And there's a reason to 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:38.720 like hide and everything because you could be fully murdered. 0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.840 So this is all very good information from the professor, 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:44.200 and Cabot meets with da Wud and the defense attorney 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:44.640 in jail. 0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.440 She says, listen, you confessed. 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.680 He goes, no, I didn't, and she's like, I'm responsible 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.600 for this, and he's like, I feel responsible and not 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.080 that I attacked her. This is not a therapy session, Cirta. 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.759 No one cares what your feelings. There's no DNA and 0:42:57.800 --> 0:43:00.040 the stones, his lawyer says, And she's like, well he 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.080 was inside her. And he gets up frustrated as he 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.200 holds the bars in the cement room, and we find 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.800 out that they fell in love, but they couldn't tell anyone. 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:09.719 She didn't want her dad to find out, so they 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.520 had to hide all the time. And then he explains 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:15.719 the dad only has his job, apartment, the car with 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.000 the driver, all of that, and all of his power 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.279 because of her, because she was promised to wait to 0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:25.160 some government minister and her turning back on that is 0:43:25.200 --> 0:43:29.400 like spitting in her father's face. So basically he sold 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:33.319 his daughter to have a driver, and the night she 0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.600 was attacked, he actually asked her to marry him and 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.719 he gave her a diamond. She said yes, she was 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.839 a virgin, and then Cabot's like, you forced her. He goes, no, 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.120 she didn't say no, but I shouldn't have pushed her. 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:46.959 And then she said he was trying to dominate her 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:48.879 and threw the ring in her face and he tried 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:51.239 to stop her, and now he knows he should have 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:54.320 tried harder to stop her. Cabot's like, why all the lies, 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.200 and he points to a cut in his face and goes, well, 0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.120 this was from a cop who came looking for an 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.000 afisa and I knew for a back that her father 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.759 had sent him. And so we find this PI guy 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.359 and he knows Finn from back in the day. They're 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:10.880 chit chatting and like, the thing is, he's a cop 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.440 and cops aren't supposed to moonlight as a PI. So 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.160 basically they threatened to tell iab on him if they 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:19.400 if he doesn't spill the tea. So basically the PI 0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:23.640 slash Cop. He gets a call from a diplomat who's 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.040 looking for his missing daughter. He says, they're gonna go 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.799 back to I think this is just racist, but the 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.560 cop goes, yeah, they're gonna go back to live in 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.160 a tent in the desert, and he wanted to bring 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.680 her with him. And so, you know, I found the boyfriend. 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.200 I roughed him up a little bit and he said, 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.279 you can shoot me. I will never tell. And he 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.719 sat on it for two nights and nothing. No, you know, 0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:43.600 she never showed up. 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:43.920 Nothing. 0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.239 Munch walks into a dark ass office with the whole 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:49.120 gang in Cabot and the final lab report the blood 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:51.000 on the stones was an a Fisa, but the other 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:55.080 wasn't Tarsi, and the blood is actually really similar to Nafisa, 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:58.440 which means it was a family member. The brother, Jalil 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.759 A Mirr, just turned twenty one, graduated from NYU lucky him, 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:06.279 great education. He lives with his parents and he is 0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:09.360 no longer a student. The phone rings, Benson answers and 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:11.759 while she's talking, cab its like, fuck yeah, that means 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.200 his immunity expire the moment he turns twenty one, he 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:15.920 is no longer under. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:17.160 Like the diplomat code. 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.560 Benson hangs up the phone and announces that unfortunately and 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:23.560 Ifisa died ten minutes ago. And we're at a doorman 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.920 building and the doorman starts spilling as well, and he's like, 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.920 she was here Tuesday night. He didn't realize it was 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.560 even her because she wasn't wearing the get up. He 0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:35.120 never saw her leave. But he gets off at eleven, 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.480 so maybe the night guy. But the brother did come out, 0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.040 and so the and then he's like, oh, that bastard 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.279 treats me like his personal slave. He asked me to 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:46.440 bring up you know, at eight o'clock. He asked me 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.000 to bring up a big ass shopping car upstairs. And 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:50.560 they go, did you do it? He goes, that fucker 0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.520 hasn't tipped me in four years. No fucking way he should. 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:56.640 He needs to come downstairs. And then he never exited 0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:59.080 from the front, so he probably took the garage. So 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:01.080 then they're into the park and the dad screams, I 0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.640 told you to leave us alone. She says, sir, your 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.840 daughter passed away and you don't even care. And he screams, 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.239 get out, and then we say, and we know your 0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:12.000 son took out the garbage, you sick freak. Did you 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:14.920 watch the knife go into your daughter? And he says 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:17.640 she was a whore like you, and the mom stands 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:19.920 in the background, and the mom finally screams she was 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.600 your daughter. Then says that Julie's on the way home 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.719 to Afghanistan on a plane, and he screams at her 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.840 in Farsi, and then he screams that he is protected 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.160 by some convention and arresting him as a violation of 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:37.160 international law. Sabler says, Lol, your son's twenty one. You're done, bitch. 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:39.239 So then Munch and Fingo get his ass on the 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:41.239 plane and he gets up and says, I'm proud I 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:44.680 killed her. She deserved to die. He's a cocky, rich 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:46.799 diplomat kid, like you know what I mean. He just 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:48.719 thinks he can get away with everything. And then of 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.799 course some high up person is mad at Kragan in 0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.120 Cabot and taking the side of these losers over a 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.719 dead woman, and Cabot's like, this is out of your hands, 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:58.800 so shut the fuck up, and he doesn't believe it 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.280 will win. In Core and people mad and YadA YadA, 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.720 the confession won't work, and Cabot goes, bitch, it stays 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:08.480 in because it was an excited remark, like it has 0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:10.040 to stay and it doesn't matter if it was before 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:14.160 the Miranda writes, and then this nobody starts slowly getting 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:16.760 up for Kragan's desks at desk and goes, I suggest 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.640 that you can reconsider your position, and she goes and 0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.040 why would I want to do that? And on his 0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:25.040 way out, he goes to save your own skin, and 0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.480 she actually cares loser, you know what I mean, Like 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:28.840 she'll go to the fucking congo. 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.480 I just I hate the brass. Okay. 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.560 So Craigan is yelling at Stabler for the write up, 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.400 like I need the rite up hurriyap. 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:37.200 Type faster. 0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.920 Because the commissioner's pissed because the dad says he was 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:44.440 harassed and Benson's like, we did not fucking harass him, 0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.560 and Stabler says, well, back home he would have been 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:49.120 a fucking hero because of this. And so now we're 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:51.640 in the judge's chambers and they're arguing about if the 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.800 confession stays in. The judge says yes, an excited utterance 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.160 with a plane of look like a planeload of witnesses 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.680 is in and this is a thick must stash judge, 0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:02.960 if you're wondering, And he's been in eighteen episodes of 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:08.799 SVU as Judge Allen Riddendor written whatever maybe French. So 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:11.680 in that case, he's changing his plea to not guilty 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:14.160 by reason of mental disease or defect. 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:15.360 It's so fucking annoying. 0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.160 Also, I love that you're admitting your religion as a disease, 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:19.960 you know, like that's pretty. 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.520 Amazing, or just that they're ready for it. They don't 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:23.360 even take a second. 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.239 They're just like, oh, so that's out mental disease, you know, 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.440 like you were ready for him to just be not 0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:31.239 get like have that confession thrown out. 0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.319 Yeah, And so he didn't know what he was doing. 0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:35.520 Killing his you know, killing his sister was wrong. 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:36.080 He didn't get in. 0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:39.080 Cabots like, ignorance of the law is not an affirmative defense. 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:41.800 And the defense says he told the cops he was 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:42.799 proud of what he did. 0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:44.960 Does that sound sane to you? And Cabot says, this 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:45.560 is bullshit. 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:50.319 Judge goes, listen, let's have a psychiatric evaluation. 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:52.360 So we're at Rikers and it's JK. 0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.640 Simmons baby, and he's going to talk to this monster 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:59.000 in a jumpsuit, and this guy compares himself to Abraham. 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.200 It's like, oh my god, you're all sick. 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.479 He sighs and says, I can't talk about this, and JK. 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.960 Simmons pushes him, can't or won't. He starts talking about nightmares. 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.520 He started having it eight years old because his grandfather 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:15.120 slit his aunt's throat and his father made him watch 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:20.120 very Richard Ramirez she cheated on her husband. And he's 0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:22.799 just following the rules. And Simmons is telling Cabot in 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:25.040 the office late at night that he saw this as 0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:27.440 a rite of passage to manhood, to honor. 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.279 But JK. Simmons thinks that he knows what he did 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:30.680 was wrong. 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.640 And Cabot's worried that the jury like might not see 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:35.920 it and that they're gonna get confused, and Simmons goes, 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.640 We'll get a fucking jury together that's not gonna be confused. 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.919 So we're at jury selection and it's not going well. 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:45.680 Cabot asks to approach the bench and basically the defense 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.600 is dismissing anyone that is a woman or a Jew, 0:49:48.920 --> 0:49:53.680 so I guess we would not be on that jury's double. 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:56.520 And he's like, you can't stack. You can't let her 0:49:56.560 --> 0:50:01.080 stack the jury with women. It's insane. And the judge 0:50:01.120 --> 0:50:04.320 is like, fuck you and goes and agrees with Cabots. 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:05.560 So I'm really really happy. 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.840 So now we're at trial and it's Munch is on 0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:11.040 the stand and the parents are in the stands. 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:12.560 Munch explained that. 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:16.200 This motherfucker got up, smiled, confessed he was proud of 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:18.240 what he did, and he thought that she deserved to die. 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:21.239 Cabot sits down, and now it's the defense's turn and 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.239 he's like, since he was so proud and smiling, does 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.480 it I mean like that he's not sane and there's 0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:30.120 an objection he's not a doctor. And then he asked 0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.799 how many people have smiled at you as you arrest them? 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.399 And Munch goes one and Munch isn't happy to give 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:36.280 him this information. 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:37.080 Now JK. 0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.000 Simmons is on the stand and he explains that this 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:45.600 Julias shows signs of severe trauma, night terror and night terrors, 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.000 but they do not make him not understand the difference 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:50.360 between right or wrong. So the defense is trying to 0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:53.560 compare this to a home invasion, and basically they're saying, 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:57.400 even like, if murder is morally wrong, if someone like 0:50:57.560 --> 0:50:59.560 breaks into your home, you get to kill someone to 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:03.879 protect your family, and Scota JK. Simmons character is like, uh, 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:08.279 Juliel's sister wasn't threatening to kill him, And the lawyer says, yeah, 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:12.560 but those actions would destroy his life if like, because 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.160 this you know, dishonor and you lose all this family 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:17.080 stuff and no one wants to fuck with you anymore, 0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.840 and much keeps saying it's not a valid comparison, like 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.880 I'm not going to give it to this, and so 0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:24.680 now it's time for the professor. So they talk honor 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.319 killings with the professor, and like the defense really thinks 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.200 he's going to be able to get a professor and 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:33.520 it's like, no, you're gonna get got motherfucker fat chance loser, 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:36.200 and I'm very annoyed. But it's a lot of talk 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.400 about honor tradition. So then the lawyer asks, so is 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.319 it reasonable my client may have come up in this 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:46.840 world to accept honor killing as necessary to survive, And 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.759 ASUF responds, well, he may have accepted it, but I 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:55.560 hardly think that it is reasonable. Slammedom and like the 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.640 lawyer knows he got got he gives him such a 0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:01.319 dirty look. So now the killers on the stand and 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.200 basically says, I had to do it. The only thing 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:07.000 I would change about any of this is what Nefisa 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.719 did to us. She was arranged to be with someone else, 0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:13.879 and being with another man was not her decision to make. 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:17.040 Cabot says, when you dumped your sister body she was 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:20.040 half naked, why, he says, to shame her the way 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:23.800 she shamed us. And then she asks about the stones 0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:26.000 and he said, that's what we do to whoores in 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:30.040 my country. Cabot asks, so you're proud of what you did, 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.879 and he says yes. So she's like, okay, then why 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.759 did you run away? He looks at his dad and 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.279 then asks what do you mean? And she says, you're 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:40.640 a man, aren't you? A man doesn't run away. A 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.920 man faces the consequences of his actions. He says, I'm 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:45.960 not afraid, and Cabot's like, you were arrested on a 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:46.919 plane running away. 0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:49.960 Does that sound honorable to you? He starts stuttering. 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.960 He accuses her of twisting what he's saying, and the 0:52:53.000 --> 0:52:56.000 other guy tries to subject, but Cabot keeps going and goes, 0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:57.480 you keep looking at your dad to tell him what 0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:00.239 to do? Does he tell you what to do? Did 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:02.680 your dad tell you what to do? And then you know, 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.680 object but that objection does get sustained. We can whatever, 0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:09.040 And then he was scared. And then she continues like 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:10.839 he was scared of spending the rest of his life 0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:13.239 in American prison because he knew what we did he 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.560 did was wrong, and he tries to deny it, but 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:18.040 it's not working. But he responds, no, I did it 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:21.320 for my family's honor. And the dad looks so fucking annoyed, 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:25.120 like that this blonde who got him? And so then 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:29.120 Kraigan Office their slumber party recap vibes they're all hanging out. 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:32.759 Cabot is scared that the jury's buying the bullshit, So 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:33.719 what do we do? 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:34.399 What do we do? 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.560 And Sailor says, it's not about culture, it's about the father. 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:41.080 Everyone is scared of the father, and Benson says, except 0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:43.480 for one person, Miss is a mirror and they're like, 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.160 she's not gonna give up her son or go against 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:46.839 her husband, and Benson goes, she already has. 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:48.560 She told us he was on the plane. 0:53:48.920 --> 0:53:52.160 So Finn says, if she testifies, she sentencing herself to 0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:55.759 death and he is the reason her daughter is dead 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.719 and she wants justice for her memory. Benson argues, and 0:53:58.760 --> 0:54:00.279 Finn is like, we can't ask her to do this 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:03.040 unless we're ready to protect her. Craigan says, we are 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:06.160 ready twenty four to seven, but please do not cross 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:09.239 any diplomatic lines. Benson is talking to the mom and 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:11.560 Stabler as standing further back in the room. The mom 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.359 is like, I already lost my daughter and I don't 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.239 want to lose Jaliel too. She's like, you don't get it, 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:18.200 and Benson is like, no, we get it for sure. 0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:21.640 But Nafisa was like the ticket home. He promised her 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:23.960 to the Tally Band, didn't he, And when she was 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:27.120 sleeping with someone else, he had Jaliel kill her. And 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:31.040 then Finn pops out of nowhere like you do not 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.520 see him at all. It's like he's crouching in a 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:37.080 magic show and his head just pops out from behind Benson. 0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:39.839 It is wild, and he goes. 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:42.000 We can protect you, and she goes, I don't want 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.600 your protection. I want my daughter, She cries, This is 0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:47.320 so sad, but she is on the stand now. Fisa 0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:49.840 came home to be with us. My husband asked her 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:51.799 if she was still a virgin, and she wasn't. I 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.040 don't understand why she wouldn't lie. 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:58.799 I don't know. Yeah, like you know, your dad's a psychopath. 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:04.640 Yeah, maybe she thought if I say that I've slept 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:06.600 with this man, they'll let me marry this man because 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:08.240 he is still part of the culture. 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:12.840 But he's just not a person that she was promised to. 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:16.480 I don't know. I don't know why she didn't just lie. 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:20.040 Yeah, but or like if she wasn't, that means she 0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:22.320 couldn't be married off, Like you're right, maybe that would 0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:23.440 be her ticket to freedom. 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:26.319 Like if they can't do that, I don't know. So 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:27.120 he hit her. 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:29.719 She fell, and while she talks, the dad just looks 0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:33.520 forward with an expression just shark guys, straight ahead, and 0:55:33.880 --> 0:55:36.000 you know, on the stand, she continues. When Juliel tried 0:55:36.040 --> 0:55:38.239 to help her, the husband said, let her lie there, 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.200 like she lies there with her American boyfriend. Then her 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:44.160 husband got a knife from the kitchen and Jalil begged 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.560 him not to, and the dad points his evil eyes 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:49.400 towards his wife talking, and then the husband told Jalil 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:51.759 to kill her for our honor, and it's like, you're 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:55.640 just a murderer, Like you're not, like I kill her 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:58.080 to prove his manhood, and he stabbed her. The mom 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.640 is crying, Jalil is crying a little and looking down. 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:04.759 Finally he's ashamed, and they they took her away and 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:07.600 she's crying on the stand and a woman, a woman 0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:12.200 juror reads the verdict and guilty, guilty of murder. Bye bitch. 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:14.879 But the dad is gone. So Cabot calls the cab 0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:17.040 the captain to let him know about the conviction. But 0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:19.120 also he's like, listen, the dad wasn't there. He does 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:22.040 not miss the second of this trial until today. So 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:24.279 the cops are back to the door guy building, and 0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:26.359 the door guy's like, oh, the dad left last night 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:28.680 in a limo, but the wife wasn't with him. They 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.720 run upstairs. She's on the bed dead, covered in blood. 0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:36.279 Benson and Stabler look at each other and that's unfortunately 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:36.800 dick wolf. 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:40.319 So I just don't get why right after her testimony 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:41.759 they would have arrested him. 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:43.799 Why was he allowed to leave? Like what you know 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:47.279 what I mean? Like she just testified that he was. 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:51.319 Uh, Like like, I wonder if it's diplomat shit. 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:52.400 Again, I don't know. 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.880 Because he was a full accessory to a murder, like 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:55.640 to say, do it? 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:56.359 Do it right? 0:56:56.560 --> 0:57:00.000 Like people have been put to death for less. Like Okay, 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:03.480 I just google quickly. Why are diplomats given immunity? This 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:06.560 immunity ensures that diplomats are able to conduct their duties 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:09.840 and activities efficiently without being subject to oppression or reprisal 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:10.920 from any entity in. 0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:11.880 The receiving state. 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:16.960 Oh like that you like you can't frame them for anything, 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:19.760 or like if your enemies or a contrary. 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.320 Because you could invite somebody over. Yeah, I guess you 0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:24.600 could invite someone to your country and then like fully 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:25.600 throw them in jail. 0:57:25.880 --> 0:57:29.400 Well yeah, it's The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:33.960 most countries have ratified, offers diplomats acting as officials of 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:38.640 state almost total protection from subjectal subjection to criminal, administrative, 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:40.880 and civil laws belonging to the country in which the 0:57:40.880 --> 0:57:44.280 diplomatic mission is located. I just don't understand why, like 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:48.760 rape and murder can't be exempt they I. 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:52.600 Yeah, that feels wild. It says what happened. 0:57:52.600 --> 0:57:54.440 I mean, these are just like basic Google stuff, So 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.600 I'm sorry, but what happens if the diplomat commits a crime? However, 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:00.320 this is not universal, and diplomats have been processed, get it, 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:03.120 and jailed for crimes committed outside the country they're credited to. 0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:07.040 But diplomats are exempt from being prosecuted by the state 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.560 and open court when they're suspected to be the guilty 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:12.040 of a car crime. I mean, we'll have to go 0:58:12.520 --> 0:58:16.800 dig deeper into this because it is interesting. Yeah, all right, 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:19.120 I'll go to Reddit. This will be in the language 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:23.720 I understand. All right, Well, I can't wait to learn 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:35.479 about honor killings. Kara, We'll be right back. So, okay, 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:36.000 we're back. 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:37.560 And at first when. 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.800 They find the victim in this episode, they do bring 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:42.520 up wild things like I touched on before, and that 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:45.800 is a reference to the case of Trisha Maylee aka 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.240 the Central Park jogger and what became known as the 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:50.960 Central Park five case. But there is another sbu more 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:53.280 closely related to that, so we will cover that another time. 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:57.320 Episode is based on the practice of honor killings, which 0:58:57.320 --> 0:59:01.680 we've obviously been discussing, which is when a family when 0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.560 someone in a family is killed by a family member 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:05.720 or by someone the family has enlisted to kill on 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.360 their behalf. It is a crime most often perpetrated on 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.680 women by male family members, as we can you know, suppose, 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:14.480 and if a woman is believed to have acted in 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:17.040 a way that would taint her family's name or status, 0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:19.400 she can face violent punishment that often ends in death. 0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:24.400 According to Amnesty International, quote unquote, honor crime is rooted 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:26.800 in a global culture of discrimination against women and the 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:29.560 deeply rooted belief that women are objects and commodities, not 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:32.720 human beings entitled to dignity and rights equal to those 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:36.920 of men. Women's bodies particularly are considered the repositories of 0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:39.720 family honor and under the control and responsibility of her family, 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:43.520 especially her male relatives, and large sections of society share 0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:46.360 traditional conceptions of family honor and approve of quote honor 0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:49.040 killings that preserve that honor. End quote end of the 0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:52.600 full quote. So women can be targeted for having an 0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:55.080 extra marital affair or engaging in any kind of sexual 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.000 behavior before marriage, but also for divorcing, even if it's 0:59:58.000 --> 0:59:58.920 an abusive husband. 0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:01.040 Or for being a of sexual assault. 1:00:01.080 --> 1:00:04.000 We have seen that in other episodes, the episode Night 1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:07.240 that we cover at our live shows. Sometimes there is 1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:11.320 a woman who in the Muslim faith, whose brother you know, 1:00:11.680 --> 1:00:14.280 is not he beats the shit out of Diane Neal 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:17.680 because he exposed that his sister had been sexually assaulted. 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:22.240 Women who have been sexually assaulted in these in places 1:00:22.240 --> 1:00:25.160 where honor killings are common, cannot only expect police and 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:28.280 judges to humiliate them and not investigate crimes against them, 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:31.160 but they must now also fear their fathers, brothers, and 1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:34.919 sons who now must avenge the family's honor by murdering them. 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:38.200 What's fucked up too that I learn is that much 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:42.200 like in this episode, they often enlist minors, younger boys 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:44.160 to carry out these crimes because they know they'll have 1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:47.360 the easiest legal repercussions, if any at all. You know, 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:49.520 it's like, oh, he's seventeen, what are we going to do? 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:49.800 You know? 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:52.400 Like and Julia in this case was twenty one, but 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:55.280 had just been on the other side of his immunity protection. 1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:58.640 So according to the World Health Organization in twenty twelve, 1:00:58.680 --> 1:01:01.120 it was estimated that around five thousand murders occur each 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:05.000 year worldwide in the name of honor, but I could 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:08.320 not find a more recent statistic about that they are. 1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:10.919 Honor killings are widely reported in regions throughout the Middle 1:01:10.960 --> 1:01:22.560 East and South Asia, but also Bangladesh, Brazil, Canada, Ecuador, Egypt, India, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, Uganda, 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.880 United Kingdom, and the United States. They in Jordan in 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:29.280 nineteen ninety nine, honor killings accounted for one third of 1:01:29.320 --> 1:01:32.320 the murders of women in Jordan. And so this Jordanian 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:36.520 journalist and human rights activist named Rana Husseini exposed honor 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:40.080 killings in Jordan around that time, and it was only 1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:42.000 a couple of years before this episode came out, So 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:44.960 that was like big reporting where she sort of brought 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:46.320 this to the forefront. It was sort of like a 1:01:47.400 --> 1:01:48.840 cultural secret before that. 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:53.520 While I'm also curious if this is like ancient stuff 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:56.920 or if this is Taliban stuff that like came in 1:01:56.960 --> 1:02:01.480 after revolution, you know, like I do wonder if says, oh, well, 1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:03.840 we used to do it thousands of years ago, or 1:02:04.120 --> 1:02:07.080 because you know, so much of the stuff going on 1:02:07.160 --> 1:02:09.720 there was not happening in the seventies, you know, like 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:13.840 women wearing mini skirts. So I am so curious if 1:02:13.880 --> 1:02:17.280 this is ancient or just some new, fucked up rewording 1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:17.840 of things. 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:21.960 I do think it goes back, but you know, like, 1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:24.840 but then there's always there's modernity, and then there's cycles 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:27.280 where things sway back to the ancient again. You know, 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:29.720 people are like, that's not you know, what we were 1:02:29.720 --> 1:02:32.000 meant to be doing. So I do think it goes back. 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:35.360 But you know, this journalist like risked her fucking life. 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:37.440 She totally knew that she was going to be a target. 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:40.480 She wrote all these reports about about honor killings, launched 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:43.480 a campaign to get them stopped. She was threatened, accused 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:46.480 of being anti Islam, anti family, anti Jordan, but Queen 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:50.080 nor the Queen of Jordan, really cared about this cause. 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:53.360 And then the incoming king, King Hassan, voiced the need 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.360 to protect women in his opening address to parliament. So 1:02:57.080 --> 1:03:00.880 Jordan did end up passing some honor killing law. And 1:03:01.160 --> 1:03:04.959 she's responsible, really, that journalist, for exposing the truth about 1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:07.240 all this and starting the movement. But what I was 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:09.600 reading is that even in countries like Jordan, where laws 1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:12.280 of been passed to stop honor killings and honor crime. 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:15.480 They are often not enforced and in many many countries 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:17.640 there's actually like no punishment for the crimes at all. 1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:21.920 So that's the general overview, as if we didn't really 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:23.800 get that from the SBU episode. Just giving a little 1:03:23.800 --> 1:03:26.200 bit more context, and now I'm going to talk about 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:28.160 a case that's going to make us all very sad. 1:03:29.000 --> 1:03:33.120 So this episode is likely based on a specific honor killing, 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:37.320 the murder of Palestina. Her nickname was Tina Issa as 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:40.440 the last name. Tina was the youngest of seven children 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:44.040 growing up in Saint Louis, Missouri. Her father's Zion was 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:47.600 a Muslim Palestinian and her mother, Maria Lisa, was actually 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:50.880 a Brazilian and a Roman Catholic, and it was not 1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:54.920 until Maria was married to zign and already pregnant with 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:56.840 his child, that he let her know she was his 1:03:56.880 --> 1:03:59.880 second wife. Not like I'm divorced and you're my second wife, 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:01.400 but I have you're my second wife. 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:02.120 I have two wives. 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:04.640 His religious beliefs told him that that was none of 1:04:04.640 --> 1:04:06.600 her business and he would tell her when she needed 1:04:06.640 --> 1:04:09.760 to know. She was pretty upset by that. But what 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:12.560 can she do. She's married and she's pregnant. So they 1:04:12.600 --> 1:04:17.120 move all around with these children, either in North Carolina, Jersey, 1:04:17.160 --> 1:04:21.400 Puerto Rico, back to Brazil. In nineteen eighty Zion became 1:04:21.480 --> 1:04:25.120 a naturalized US citizen, and in nineteen eighty six they 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:28.240 came to Saint Louis, where the father started like owning 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:31.000 and operating a grocery store. And that's when Tina would 1:04:31.000 --> 1:04:33.320 have been around fourteen. And this is around the time 1:04:33.720 --> 1:04:36.880 that Tina's once close relationship with her father really started 1:04:36.880 --> 1:04:41.160 to you know, fade, because she began to experience American culture. 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:44.240 She listened to rap and rock music. She played soccer 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:46.240 and tennis, even though her dad didn't want or two. 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:48.560 One thing I read said she made the cheerleading squad. 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:50.120 I don't know if her parents let her do that. 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:53.520 But she wanted to take aeronautical engineering courses. She wanted 1:04:53.520 --> 1:04:56.400 to become a pilot, and her father wanted to arrange 1:04:56.400 --> 1:04:58.720 a marriage for her with a guy from the West Bank, 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:03.040 which is you know, paralleling some of the episode issues 1:05:03.080 --> 1:05:07.959 as well. So, okay, so you hear a lot about 1:05:08.000 --> 1:05:10.640 her older sisters. She's one of seven. She has three 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:12.840 older sisters, so there must be three brothers somewhere, but 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:15.280 we don't. I just they're not really talked about in 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:17.160 a lot of the research that I did. Her three 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:19.760 older sisters are in their twenties and they're all married 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:22.600 off to you know, men within their culture, and they 1:05:22.640 --> 1:05:27.040 do not like her lifestyle. They don't like they've all 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:28.960 they've all gotten married, they've left the house, but they 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:31.280 don't like, you know, how baby sister is acting. 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:33.960 And she is the only daughter at home at this point. 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:37.840 At one point, the mother and the sisters, Tina went 1:05:37.880 --> 1:05:39.800 to prom, and the mother and the sisters went and 1:05:39.840 --> 1:05:41.960 like tracked her down and like pulled her out of 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:43.080 the prom and she was crying. 1:05:43.080 --> 1:05:44.240 It was like a very you know. 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:47.560 I remember like hearing about kids randomly in high school 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:49.720 that like weren't allowed to go to dances, and like 1:05:49.840 --> 1:05:52.720 I read, I remember someone's parents showing up and being like, 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:54.280 you're not allowed to be at this dance, but I 1:05:54.280 --> 1:05:55.240 can't remember who it was. 1:05:55.480 --> 1:06:00.200 And I just remember one friend and she was a 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:02.040 Syrian but her mom did not want her on our 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:07.040 basketball team. So she played for two years but then 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:10.520 told to get out, was not allowed to She would 1:06:10.520 --> 1:06:12.160 work at the bank and then we would go visit 1:06:12.240 --> 1:06:13.920 her because that was the only way we could hang 1:06:13.960 --> 1:06:16.000 out because she came from such a strict family, so 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:17.040 we would go to the bank to. 1:06:17.000 --> 1:06:17.520 Talk to her. 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:19.400 Oh my gosh, that's what. 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:23.440 But then she said, but she was allowed to hang 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:27.080 out with people from church, and like some of those 1:06:27.120 --> 1:06:29.880 girls are whores, you know what I mean, like the 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:32.320 idea that the church girls were the good girls. And 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:34.000 so she would hang out with this one girl who 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:36.720 was like really I just remember she was just like 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:39.680 really pretty and awesome. But so they would go hang 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:42.600 out and the mom was like, oh, well, she's from church, 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:44.520 but really they were out there making out. 1:06:45.920 --> 1:06:47.720 Totally. Yeah, church girls. 1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:50.680 But I didn't go to dances, but that's because I 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:52.800 was at the movies every Friday with my parents. 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:55.600 So I think they would have loved for me to 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:59.480 go to a dance. Dude, did did they did? You 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:01.080 just didn't act. You were like, I'd rather go to 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:01.680 the movie. 1:07:02.120 --> 1:07:06.760 We just went to the movies every Friday for at least, so. 1:07:06.720 --> 1:07:08.280 If anything came up on a Friday, you were like, 1:07:08.360 --> 1:07:09.360 can't go into the movies. 1:07:09.800 --> 1:07:11.880 I didn't even think about it. I knew the dances 1:07:11.880 --> 1:07:16.080 were happening. But I had plans, right, I got plans. 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.480 Because after the movie, I'm going to see a movie 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:21.760 that's probably wildly agent appropriate for me. Yeah, because after 1:07:21.760 --> 1:07:25.040 the movies, we would then hit up TJ Max Amazing Savings. 1:07:25.080 --> 1:07:28.360 We'd go to Dominix, which is like the grocery store. Yeah, 1:07:28.440 --> 1:07:30.760 I'd get some briers. Listen, we had this. 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:32.600 This is a full Friday night. We have a traditions. 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:32.840 You know. 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:35.720 I had to do Rosie's heritage project with her. I 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:38.080 can see what your heritage project would be showing the 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.920 Friday night. Wait, I want to see the heritage project. 1:07:41.000 --> 1:07:43.720 Oh girl, you're gonna be embarrassed for us. It's just 1:07:43.760 --> 1:07:45.960 like whiteness everywhere. But I will take there is a 1:07:45.960 --> 1:07:47.680 picture of the kids with the manora, and I will 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:49.880 take uh photo of it and send it to you. 1:07:50.040 --> 1:07:50.720 Okay, dare have it. 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:56.760 But here's the thing about Tina. She's also an honor student. Okay, 1:07:56.800 --> 1:07:59.400 she moved there at fourteen and was like learning English. 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:02.600 But she's doing so good in school, Like she's I 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:04.840 don't know the fact that like we just can't see 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:08.200 like these women as like fully formed people. She's a 1:08:08.240 --> 1:08:10.960 smart person. But it's like, no, she's just like a 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:15.040 body who represents my family. The one of the detectives 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:19.160 who worked on her case, Harry Heger, said, quote her 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:21.240 close friends told us that she often came to school 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:23.120 with bruises and welts, and that she had been physically 1:08:23.160 --> 1:08:25.400 abused by her parents. At one point, she had hot 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:28.360 coffee thrown at her end quote. So her home life 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.920 is not good in the States, but she does love friend, 1:08:31.960 --> 1:08:34.120 she has friends, she seems like she's doing. 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:34.599 Well in school. 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:37.320 And then her parents found out that she had been 1:08:37.320 --> 1:08:40.599 in a relationship with an African American guy named Cliff Walker. 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:44.320 He was twenty, she was sixteen, and they were furious, 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:46.880 not only because he is outside of their faith, but 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:50.320 also the father was extremely racist against black people because 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:53.080 he thought that Palestinian business owners in. 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:55.559 The US were being targeted by black criminals. That was 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:56.479 his thought. 1:08:56.680 --> 1:09:00.000 So what's wild, too, is the women in the family 1:09:00.120 --> 1:09:02.400 were not permitted to date outside their faith, even though 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:04.719 the father is Muslim and the mother is Roman Catholic. 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:10.599 So what you know this the hypocrisy abounds. Obviously, they 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:13.559 were also furious that she was taking a job at Wendy's. 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:15.439 They had said she wasn't allowed to. It's like it's 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:17.560 unclear whether she told them that she actually. 1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:17.880 Took the job. 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:20.760 And because they the only job she was permitted to 1:09:20.800 --> 1:09:22.719 take was to be working at the family grocery store. 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:27.639 So apparently her father was making calls to other family members, 1:09:27.680 --> 1:09:30.439 also complaining about how she was bringing shame to the 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:32.639 family and that she had to die. All this stuff. 1:09:33.040 --> 1:09:35.960 There is a book called Guarding the Secrets written by 1:09:36.000 --> 1:09:39.120 Ellen Harris, and it's a book completely about the murder, 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:41.720 and in it she wrote that quote the problem was 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:44.759 that Tina thought of herself as American or hyphenated American, 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:48.160 not as arab end quote. So a lot of mirroring 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:50.960 to what's happening with the FISA in the episode. So 1:09:51.880 --> 1:09:54.559 she's been dating it's nineteen eighty nine. She's been dating 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:57.599 Cliff since January. On November sixth of nineteen eighty nine, 1:09:57.640 --> 1:10:00.000 her boyfriend Cliff is walking her home after her first 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.479 day of work at Wendy's. She's on like a night shift. 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:06.559 She gets home around midnight, her mother yells, where were you, bitch, 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:09.080 her father calls her a she devil, and then her 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:11.439 father says to her, quote do you know that this 1:10:11.520 --> 1:10:14.559 is the last day, tonight, you're going to die. And 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:18.479 then she says, what huh, And he says, you're going 1:10:18.520 --> 1:10:22.160 to die tonight. And then Tina's mother held her down 1:10:22.400 --> 1:10:25.639 while her father stabbed her with a boning knife six times. 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:27.800 One of her lungs, her liver, and her heart were 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:31.280 severely damaged in the attack. And the reason we know 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.519 all of the detailed conversations. 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:36.720 Hold on, hold on, I don't understand how this Brazilian 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:40.519 Catholic woman became so radicalized in this way to hold 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:41.320 her daughter down. 1:10:41.720 --> 1:10:45.960 She did, She just did. Like this man, I don't know, 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:47.760 I don't know. I would have it that the. 1:10:47.800 --> 1:10:50.679 Religion has to be an excuse for the murderous race, 1:10:50.760 --> 1:10:52.559 like this is a psychopath that could have found. 1:10:52.320 --> 1:10:53.080 Any reason to murder. 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:58.000 Like there's no way. I'm like, I'm devastated right now. 1:10:58.040 --> 1:11:01.280 I know it's the most horrible. But here's what's wild. 1:11:01.920 --> 1:11:05.160 The reason we know all the detailed conversation that they 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:07.320 had right before she died, the reason I can quote 1:11:07.360 --> 1:11:10.080 exactly what was said before they died, is because her 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:12.719 father's Zion at the time of her murder was under 1:11:12.720 --> 1:11:15.959 investigation by the FBI because they thought he was involved 1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:19.360 in illegal activities on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:23.360 the PLO. So the home was bugged and audio of 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:25.240 the entire murder was recorded. 1:11:25.479 --> 1:11:26.719 There is a tape of the killing. 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:29.080 It is seven minutes long, and on it you can 1:11:29.160 --> 1:11:31.840 hear her father, who after he murdered her, shouting in 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:35.519 Arabic to her die quickly, die quickly in response to 1:11:35.560 --> 1:11:37.920 his daughter, like pleading for her life and she's begging 1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:38.760 her mother to help her. 1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:40.559 It's like, it's horrific, It's horrific. 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:43.120 He also admitted on the stand at his trial that 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:45.479 he put his foot on his daughter's mouth to quiet 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:46.840 her while she was dying. 1:11:47.400 --> 1:11:48.880 The mother did not testify. 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:52.639 It is also unclear whether the FBI could have prevented 1:11:52.720 --> 1:11:55.400 the killing, because the FBI refuses to discuss the tapes. 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:57.479 They just kind of handed them over to prosecutors. But 1:11:57.520 --> 1:11:59.600 you know, the FBI has all this protection and they 1:11:59.600 --> 1:12:02.519 can do it the fuck they want. But apparently he 1:12:02.560 --> 1:12:05.160 had been having many conversations with his older daughters that 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:08.479 were begging him to discipline Tina, and they overheard him 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:10.800 talking to his daughter Soriyah, who was twenty four at 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:13.160 the time. She suggested, why don't you lock her in 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:16.400 the basement and proposed hiring quote a black guy who's 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:19.240 always in trouble end quote to kill her. But Zein 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.920 said he couldn't have a stranger quote do my job. 1:12:22.479 --> 1:12:24.920 So his daughter suggests, why don't we get someone else 1:12:24.960 --> 1:12:28.759 to kill my little sister, and then zion says, that's 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:32.000 my job. Like, I mean, the brainwashing going around the 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:35.840 entire family is so wild like and the FBI says 1:12:35.880 --> 1:12:37.800 it didn't take any action even though it heard these 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:41.680 kinds of conversations because Zin often made empty threats. They 1:12:41.720 --> 1:12:45.760 could have called ACS anonymously and said there is a 1:12:45.840 --> 1:12:48.720 violence happening in this home against this teenager, but they 1:12:48.720 --> 1:12:53.280 did not. And so the parents claim that zion Isa 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:56.519 killed Tina in defense after she threatened them with a 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:59.160 knife and demanded five thousand dollars, like they made up 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:01.479 this full thing, because there is a tape of the 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:05.080 entire thing. They claimed that she maybe was drinking or 1:13:05.120 --> 1:13:07.400 on drugs and that she had defied them by dating 1:13:07.439 --> 1:13:08.519 someone they disapproved of. 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:10.559 And it's like, yeah, I'm. 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:12.519 Sure this honor student coming home from her job at 1:13:12.520 --> 1:13:14.400 midnight just decided to grab a knife and ask for 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:17.960 five k. Like the story does not work. Tina Issa 1:13:18.120 --> 1:13:21.360 was buried at Sacred Heart Cemetery and Flora sent Missouri, 1:13:21.400 --> 1:13:24.560 where her family gave no notice of the funeral, specifically 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:26.120 so that the boyfriend could not attend. 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:29.360 She was buried in a wedding dress. 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:33.040 And also not that it matters, but the boyfriend says 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:38.679 they never slept together, so it's like they just murdered 1:13:38.680 --> 1:13:40.559 her for no not that there was a reason, even 1:13:40.600 --> 1:13:42.880 if they did, but even in their minds, their reason 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:45.800 was incorrect. On October twenty fifth of nineteen ninety one, 1:13:45.840 --> 1:13:48.519 they were convicted of first degree murder. The jury deliberated 1:13:48.560 --> 1:13:50.640 for less than four hours. On December twentieth, they were 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:53.840 sentenced to death by lethal injection. They did not give 1:13:53.880 --> 1:13:57.479 a fuck and they were not remorseful. Maria told the judge, quote, 1:13:57.640 --> 1:14:00.519 my daughter was very disrespectful and very rebellius. We should 1:14:00.560 --> 1:14:02.400 not have to pay for our lot, with our lives 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:03.479 for something she did. 1:14:04.840 --> 1:14:05.519 End quote. 1:14:05.800 --> 1:14:08.760 So when you ask how she's like radicalized, I mean 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:13.040 she's just absolutely radicalized, Like no remorse after sitting in 1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:16.880 jail for two years waiting trial, and now you're going 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:19.640 to like, the jury has convicted you, and you're just 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:22.880 still like so brainwashed that what you did was correct 1:14:22.920 --> 1:14:27.200 and in line with your faith. The judge, Judge Charles A. Shaw, said, quote, 1:14:27.200 --> 1:14:29.400 culture is no excuse for murder. I see no reason 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:33.120 to deviate from the jury's recommendation end quote. And in 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:37.080 April of nineteen ninety three, the father was actually indicted 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:39.920 by the FBI in connection with his terrorist activities within 1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:44.559 the Abu Nidal organization. Federal prosecutors accused him of killing Tina, 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:48.400 partly because he feared she could expose his ano activities, 1:14:48.880 --> 1:14:51.000 but then those charges were later dropped because he was 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:55.160 already on death row for his daughter's murder. Sadly, this 1:14:55.200 --> 1:14:59.519 motherfucker died of complications of diabetes only you know, six 1:14:59.600 --> 1:15:02.960 years in his sentence in nineteen ninety seven. His wife, 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:06.679 her death sentence was eventually commuted to life imprisonment without parole. 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:09.880 She died in April of twenty fourteen from natural causes 1:15:09.880 --> 1:15:10.719 at the age of seventy. 1:15:10.920 --> 1:15:12.719 So they are both gone from this earth. 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.800 My thing is like, why come to America? Then, Like 1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:19.559 you're saying everything here is terrible, yet you're coming here, 1:15:19.720 --> 1:15:22.240 go like go live somewhere else. 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:24.800 Well, yeah, it's the thing. They had moved all they 1:15:24.800 --> 1:15:26.720 had moved from America. They'd been in I mean, well 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:28.400 Puerto Rico was part of the States, but like they'd 1:15:28.439 --> 1:15:30.720 been in Brazil, Like she had family in Brazil. That's 1:15:30.720 --> 1:15:33.320 where they met the parents. It's like, go go somewhere 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:35.200 else if you think that this culture. But I think 1:15:35.280 --> 1:15:38.840 they would have so different. So I don't mean to 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:42.000 not even compare the two. 1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:45.519 But my mom and I Kumil's movie The Big Sick. 1:15:46.200 --> 1:15:49.839 There's like a scene where he's arguing with his parents, 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:51.680 and my mom I remember talking about it after she 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:56.080 saw the movie, because he tells his parents like you 1:15:56.280 --> 1:15:59.000 moved to this kind like let me live as an 1:15:59.040 --> 1:16:00.280 like let me live here. 1:16:00.320 --> 1:16:03.840 You moved here for my freedom, right, let me be free? 1:16:03.880 --> 1:16:06.400 Like why do you want me to still do arranged 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:09.360 marriage and do this old school shit like let me live? 1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:13.080 And I just remember that, Like, you know, my parents 1:16:13.160 --> 1:16:15.880 have always they knew they didn't have a chance. But 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:20.120 and this is different. I think this is sociopath Like 1:16:20.160 --> 1:16:22.519 these are psychopath lers. If it wasn't her, they would 1:16:22.520 --> 1:16:25.760 have killed someone. Like I just don't feel like it, 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:28.519 like the judge said, culture is no excuse for murder. 1:16:28.560 --> 1:16:31.320 I don't think this is the culture like I do 1:16:32.560 --> 1:16:34.760 think you have to have this rage in you. 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:35.840 I don't know. 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:39.680 And since, honestly, since this episode came out, there's been 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:42.000 a couple of other like high profile ones, like there 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:44.920 was a girl that was her dad ran her over 1:16:44.960 --> 1:16:48.000 with a car and killed her, Like you know, there's 1:16:48.160 --> 1:16:50.280 there have been a few others in the States. 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:50.640 You know. 1:16:50.920 --> 1:16:53.599 That's why I feel even strange bringing up the Big 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:56.120 Sick because it is just like a comedy, you know, 1:16:56.200 --> 1:16:56.559 it is. 1:16:56.960 --> 1:16:59.760 No no, but this is a moment and that is 1:16:59.800 --> 1:17:03.439 all of it. Moment in the about what we're talking about. 1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:04.880 Why from these the. 1:17:04.840 --> 1:17:09.320 Whole idea as like an immigrant is you come to 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:13.920 America for freedoms that you do not have where you are. Yeah, 1:17:14.000 --> 1:17:17.760 So then I don't understand why you would continue to 1:17:18.040 --> 1:17:21.480 not give the freedom to your kids. 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:24.280 Yeah, I don't know. 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:26.479 And I'm not saying throw away your culture and belief 1:17:26.600 --> 1:17:29.760 certain everything, but it is confusing to me. 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:34.280 Yeah, And I mean, honestly, the Wikipedia page on honor 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:36.759 killings at the bottom just has like two dozen victims 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:39.559 of those are just notable cases, you know, those are 1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:42.600 usually people that were living in places like where it 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:45.439 would be you know, not as common, and so like 1:17:45.920 --> 1:17:49.200 media attention was brought to it, but I don't know, 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:54.559 it's uh yeah. 1:17:52.960 --> 1:17:58.160 And I'm also curious what portion of like the population 1:17:58.680 --> 1:18:02.599 of these countries adheres to this and how much of 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:04.880 it is well this is pre nine to eleven, but 1:18:05.040 --> 1:18:07.000 like how much of this is. 1:18:08.400 --> 1:18:09.920 Stirred up by Islamophobia? 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:11.800 Like I have no idea, Like I think about this 1:18:11.840 --> 1:18:15.760 with general mutilation like too, but I but they're both. 1:18:15.800 --> 1:18:17.719 Even if it's a small amount, it's a bad thing. 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:22.559 Yeah, yeah, But I'm curious do we take honor killings 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:25.639 to be scared of brown people, like, oh, look at them, 1:18:25.720 --> 1:18:29.400 they're backwards or is it like you said, a few 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:33.519 doesen't you know? Like like I just don't and I 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:35.400 just don't know how You're like living in a country 1:18:35.400 --> 1:18:36.920 and then all of a sudden, the tally but like 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:39.320 the government changes and suddenly you're in a burka, Like 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:43.759 what the fuck? Yeah, it's scary, but this is happening 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:45.920 to women in our country right now, where like one 1:18:46.000 --> 1:18:48.920 day you can have a miscarriage and go to a 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:50.519 hospital and then one day the. 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:55.920 Next day, you can't, you'll be prosecuted, So I you know, 1:18:56.120 --> 1:18:56.759 does it happen? 1:18:56.800 --> 1:19:00.720 So I just it's it's just too big, honestly for 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:04.599 me to even be It makes me so sad. 1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:09.720 Yeah, yeah, this is a really sad like this like 1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:11.720 was a girl who was also. 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:14.240 Just thinking about her, like thinking about her as her 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:16.800 mom holds you down and your dad is stabbing you. 1:19:17.320 --> 1:19:20.880 And that like and that they just never could even 1:19:20.880 --> 1:19:22.920 show remort like that is like so like that when 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:25.680 you were talking about like being sociopaths. It's like they 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:30.080 couldn't even later say we were caught up and you 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:32.439 know we've had time to think about our actions. 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:35.920 Our daughter is dead. No there's no remorse. Well that's 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:37.840 also probably self preservation too. 1:19:38.720 --> 1:19:39.280 Yeah. 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:41.280 Yeah, this one is fucked. 1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:45.240 But I will say we have an amazing guest that's 1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:49.800 going to really bring this back, this whole episode, because 1:19:49.800 --> 1:19:52.320 we had an amazing conversation with this actor. 1:19:52.880 --> 1:20:02.759 So stay right there, okay, our. 1:20:02.600 --> 1:20:05.599 Guests today, I'll get a get for both of us. 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:07.720 We are we're so excited to get him. He is 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:11.479 a prolific actor. He was a Daily show correspondent for 1:20:11.560 --> 1:20:15.599 a decade and he is also a main cast member 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:17.280 on a show that my husband and I are obsessed 1:20:17.280 --> 1:20:19.559 with called Evil, which you can catch the new season 1:20:19.600 --> 1:20:22.719 coming out very soon on Paramount Plus, and past seasons 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:25.360 are on Paramount Plus as well as Netflix. He's been 1:20:25.400 --> 1:20:28.919 on every major TV show, including for us a very special. 1:20:29.000 --> 1:20:31.320 He was the sad Mac computer guy on Sex and 1:20:31.360 --> 1:20:34.200 the City. But you know him today as Hanford University 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:39.759 instructor Professor Husseini. Please enjoy our wonderful conversation with Asif 1:20:39.800 --> 1:20:41.200 monby Awesif. 1:20:41.240 --> 1:20:44.080 Thank you so much for being here. We're excited to have. 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:46.839 You to talk about a show from two thousand. 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:51.840 Yes, to talk about a show you did over twenty 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:54.240 years twenty four years ago. 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:56.760 Which I'm sure you have a crystal clear memory of 1:20:57.120 --> 1:20:59.559 and we are here to explore that. 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:06.000 You know. It's yeah, Surprisingly, I do have a very 1:21:06.000 --> 1:21:08.840 clear memory of it. I don't I haven't watched. I 1:21:08.840 --> 1:21:10.040 haven't watched the episode. 1:21:10.160 --> 1:21:12.439 And it's a hard one to watch. It's a sad one. 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:14.479 A hard is it a sad one? I seem to 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:15.679 where it's a sad one. 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:18.879 It's one that I it took me forever to rewatch 1:21:18.920 --> 1:21:20.680 because I just knew that I was going to be 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:21.200 so sad. 1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:24.400 I do remember that. I remember that I had a 1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:27.080 go tea. I remember I had a go tea in 1:21:27.160 --> 1:21:31.000 it and I spoke with an accent. And do you 1:21:31.040 --> 1:21:33.519 remember that I did. I do remember that. But you 1:21:33.560 --> 1:21:35.839 know I did so many law and orders. 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:37.800 Yes, you've been on four. 1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:39.559 We talked to a lot of people that have done 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:43.479 the three, like the Holy Trinity of like original recipe, SVU, 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:46.920 criminal Intent. But you've also done trial by jury, which 1:21:47.080 --> 1:21:50.000 was short lived. So for you to be a a 1:21:50.200 --> 1:21:52.640 quattro is pretty impressive. 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:55.920 And I went from and I went from you know, 1:21:56.120 --> 1:22:02.000 starting off as a hot dog vendor all the way 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:04.599 to trial by jury, which is the last one I did. 1:22:05.000 --> 1:22:07.559 When I was the judge, I was I felt like, 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:10.759 I feel like I made my parents proud. 1:22:10.880 --> 1:22:13.719 You know, you were a judge. That's a judge. 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:18.920 I was a young Indian conservative judge at the time. 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:24.120 This was you know, pre Bobby Jindall, so, uh, it 1:22:24.200 --> 1:22:27.280 was it was pre Nikki Haley, you know. So it 1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:30.840 was sort of like, what is that a thing? And 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:34.320 now I'm like, oh, that's a thing, that's a real thing. Yeah. 1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:38.200 Pre vivek Ramaswami, you know, yes, he was. He was 1:22:38.240 --> 1:22:40.840 sort of vivek ramaswami ish a little bit. 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:42.280 I don't know who that is. 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:43.360 I don't know who that is. 1:22:43.560 --> 1:22:46.679 He's the guy that just ran for president. I'm sure 1:22:46.680 --> 1:22:51.280 you've seen him on your Instagram. He was like conservative conservative, 1:22:51.400 --> 1:22:53.840 like loves Trump and Elon. 1:22:53.720 --> 1:22:57.799 Conservative has has this has a sort of like uh 1:22:58.280 --> 1:23:01.320 a hairdo that sort of starts like at the very 1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:03.479 top of his head and then just keeps going up 1:23:03.760 --> 1:23:04.200 kind of thing. 1:23:04.320 --> 1:23:07.000 And young people are like young Republicans are like, we're 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:08.519 gonna go for him because he knows how to use 1:23:08.520 --> 1:23:10.559 social media because he's like, I think, only in his 1:23:10.640 --> 1:23:11.960 thirties or forties or something. 1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:15.360 He's like, uh, he's yeah, he's it's just new Google 1:23:15.400 --> 1:23:16.760 and you'll see. 1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:17.679 No, I was gonna say. 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:21.599 Scrolling through your IMDb, not so much in the Law 1:23:21.600 --> 1:23:23.480 and Order Universe, but a lot of doctors. 1:23:23.800 --> 1:23:24.639 You've played a lot of. 1:23:25.200 --> 1:23:29.320 Well look at my face. Yeah, so are you when 1:23:29.360 --> 1:23:33.200 you have this, when you have this much melanin what 1:23:33.360 --> 1:23:34.480 happens in Hollywood? 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:36.160 Are you good with all the medical lingo? 1:23:36.320 --> 1:23:38.240 Like when you get to set, now you know what 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:43.240 I actually uh yeah, it's so funny, Like I literally 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:49.519 played I've played so many doctors. I never got into 1:23:49.600 --> 1:23:51.280 like the but I there was. There was a couple 1:23:51.320 --> 1:23:53.600 of moments when one time I was a doctor on 1:23:53.880 --> 1:23:56.599 a soap opera. I forget which one it was. It 1:23:56.640 --> 1:23:59.280 was maybe it was Young and the Restless or or 1:23:59.400 --> 1:24:02.640 one of those. And they were just like, we're just 1:24:02.680 --> 1:24:04.800 going to use your name, and I was like, what 1:24:04.840 --> 1:24:06.240 do you mean And they were like, we'll just call 1:24:06.280 --> 1:24:09.760 you doctor Monvie. And I was like okay. And then 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:11.240 first of all, I was like, wait, should I call 1:24:11.280 --> 1:24:13.200 my agent? Did I get more money for that or something? 1:24:13.240 --> 1:24:13.439 You know? 1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:15.760 And then they were like, which is gonna do? So 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:19.479 in the show, they're just like paging doctor Monvie, paging 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:23.519 Doctor Monvie. And I literally was like, oh my god, 1:24:23.640 --> 1:24:27.719 this is my mother has to watch this. It's gonna 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:29.000 be like her dream, you know. 1:24:28.960 --> 1:24:29.800 It gets to hear it. 1:24:29.920 --> 1:24:32.880 Yeah, So you were killing it in New York because 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:34.479 also you're in Sex and the City. 1:24:35.000 --> 1:24:36.840 You were in all the hip shows in New York 1:24:36.960 --> 1:24:37.439 in the city. 1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:40.000 That was all the all the hip shows, the ohs, 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:43.200 the Law and Orders, the Sex and the Cities, the uh. 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:48.559 I was even on New York Undercover. Oh I was. 1:24:49.280 --> 1:24:51.640 I was on every show that was shooting in New 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:53.120 York for a while, you know. I mean that's what 1:24:53.160 --> 1:24:55.040 you did when you're a young actor in New York, 1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:59.599 just trying to get your health insurance paid for sure, 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:03.120 just do like all the guest spots and stuff on 1:25:03.880 --> 1:25:06.200 every show that's shooting. And I never went out to 1:25:06.360 --> 1:25:08.599 LA So it was always working in New York. 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:11.840 You know, do you remember like getting because it, like 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:14.360 according to your IMDb like it sort of looks like 1:25:14.479 --> 1:25:17.360 original recipe. Law in Order, like the Dick Wolf Universe 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:20.280 was kind of some of your first jobs. So do 1:25:20.320 --> 1:25:23.080 you ever being like, oh, it's happening well? 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:29.919 And The Cosby Mysteries. 1:25:28.360 --> 1:25:32.320 Was, Oh yeah, I did The Cosby Mysteries. That was 1:25:32.360 --> 1:25:35.840 a short lived show where Bill Cosby. 1:25:35.880 --> 1:25:44.040 Played a criminologist, criminologist the guy who And I, oh yeah, 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:45.599 I like what I mean. 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:47.040 I loved Bill Cosby's stuff. 1:25:47.080 --> 1:25:50.240 You know what's crazy about that is like now everything 1:25:50.280 --> 1:25:52.479 we know about Bill Cosby. You know. It was like 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:55.760 he asked, so I was doing the scene with him. 1:25:55.880 --> 1:25:57.479 I don't know, we're talking about Lawn Order, but we 1:25:57.479 --> 1:26:00.120 can talk about this he was, He said to me, 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.720 I was playing his cab driver. There you go. That 1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:06.240 was another round. That was another part that I did 1:26:06.280 --> 1:26:10.200 a lot a ken the face, right, so doctors and 1:26:10.240 --> 1:26:14.439 cab drivers. But I was playing his cab driver. And 1:26:14.479 --> 1:26:16.280 I remember like, there are a bunch of lines that 1:26:16.320 --> 1:26:21.040 we had back and forth, and he said, uh, why 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:24.600 don't you just you know, after that they rehearsed it. 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:25.880 Then he said, why do you just come back to 1:26:25.920 --> 1:26:30.360 my trailer and we will we'll run lines. And I 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:34.479 was like, oh great, you know, and uh so I 1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:37.040 went back to his trailer and he was just like 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:39.519 hanging out in his trailer and I just remember it 1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:43.760 was like my first brush with like sort of superstardom, 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:47.719 you know, like and I remember this so distinctly. He 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:51.840 was he had an assistant. I forget her name, let's 1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:56.160 just call her Jennifer Jen and and uh and he said, 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:58.599 uh and I'm gonna do a bad Bill Cosby right now. 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:03.160 He was like he was like Jen Earlier today, I 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:07.479 was watching Kujo, the movie Kujo, and now this was 1:27:07.560 --> 1:27:11.080 remember this was like before like you know, you could 1:27:11.120 --> 1:27:13.240 just get a movie whenever you wanted it right, like 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:16.240 you had to, you know, you could get a movie 1:27:16.400 --> 1:27:18.520 like they had Blockbuster. You had to go to Blockbuster 1:27:18.640 --> 1:27:22.080 and get a VHS to get the movie right. So 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:26.320 I remember Bill Cosby saying I was watching Kujo earlier 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:28.320 and I didn't get to finish watching it because I 1:27:28.360 --> 1:27:33.760 had to come to work. Can you call HBO and 1:27:33.960 --> 1:27:37.120 just tell them that Bill Cosby would like a copy 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:41.160 of the movie Kujo and if they could just send 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:44.559 it over. He's like, I was watching it on HBO. 1:27:44.840 --> 1:27:47.760 Truly a knew definition of home box office, Like. 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:52.880 He was literally fitting it like a homebox Yes. I 1:27:53.000 --> 1:27:56.600 was like, holy shit, like you can do that, Like 1:27:56.640 --> 1:28:00.000 when you're that famous, you could do that. 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:03.120 What has been the coolest flex that you've been able 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:06.000 to do? Or like a moment where you've used your 1:28:06.040 --> 1:28:07.760 success to get out? 1:28:07.880 --> 1:28:11.240 You know what, Whenever I try to flex, it just backfires. 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:15.519 Like I never I stopped trying to flex. I mean 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:17.519 I used to do the whole like I'm on a 1:28:17.560 --> 1:28:20.439 TV show, you know, like I'm I tried to one time. 1:28:21.479 --> 1:28:25.360 I think I tried to. Uh, there was a there 1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:31.360 was a birthday party at some fancy schmancy like hotel 1:28:31.479 --> 1:28:34.200 here in New York where you had to like, you know, 1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:39.240 try to get in and and I had brought a 1:28:39.280 --> 1:28:41.920 cupcakes and they wouldn't let me bring the cupcakes in. 1:28:42.320 --> 1:28:43.960 This is so stupid, and I don't let me bring 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:46.960 the cupcakes in. So I was like, I literally this 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:51.080 is so embarrassing, I literally said, because I was the 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:52.920 guy was being a total asshole. He was like, you 1:28:52.960 --> 1:28:54.640 can't and I was like, no, the cupcakes for my 1:28:54.680 --> 1:28:57.840 friend who had her birthday. And I brought cupcakes, you know, 1:28:57.840 --> 1:28:59.800 because I was put candles in the cupcakes like a 1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:02.880 little joking. She's like, you can't bring cupcakes, can't bring 1:29:02.920 --> 1:29:05.960 them in? And I was like, I was like, do 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:08.960 you know who I am? I literally did the do 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.080 you know who I am? I'm on And that was 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:12.439 when I was on the Daily Show and I was 1:29:12.439 --> 1:29:14.400 like and I tried it, and I felt like a 1:29:14.439 --> 1:29:16.840 complete asshole. I was like because the guy was like, 1:29:17.120 --> 1:29:19.760 I do and you can't bring them in. And I 1:29:19.840 --> 1:29:23.439 was like, okay, well, I'm glad, thank you so much, 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:26.360 and I like, she pishly put the cupcakes down and 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:30.280 walked in. But yeah, never you know, if it happens 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:34.760 where somebody recognizes me and they give me like you know, 1:29:34.800 --> 1:29:37.920 I get the VIP entrance or whatever on the table 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:41.120 or something, then great, but I try not to do 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:44.960 that because it's just it's just it's so embarrassing when 1:29:45.000 --> 1:29:47.800 it doesn't work, you know, when when you try to 1:29:48.000 --> 1:29:48.840 flex like that. 1:29:49.400 --> 1:29:52.479 Yeah, I feel like we need to get a little 1:29:52.479 --> 1:29:54.640 bit back to the to the to the SVU of it, 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:56.280 even though we have other things we want to talk 1:29:56.320 --> 1:29:58.720 to you about. I wanted to know because I ran 1:29:58.760 --> 1:30:02.679 across this clip of you PBS talking about being asked 1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:07.920 to do accents by casting directors, and like, I was 1:30:07.960 --> 1:30:10.000 just wondering, because you do that in this episode. 1:30:10.360 --> 1:30:11.120 But at the time that. 1:30:11.080 --> 1:30:12.640 You did this episode, it was like what it was 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:15.639 two thousand, so I don't know, were you still like, oh, yeah, 1:30:15.640 --> 1:30:17.120 I'm down to do any accent, But do you do 1:30:17.200 --> 1:30:17.719 that today? 1:30:18.000 --> 1:30:20.640 Like what you know, what's your what's your feeling on 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:21.040 that now? 1:30:21.080 --> 1:30:23.320 It was always it was always the feeling of like, 1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:28.040 you know, you go in and my friends Sukina Jeoffrey 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:29.880 and I came up well, she came up with it, 1:30:29.920 --> 1:30:32.160 and then I sort of started using it. And another bit, 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:36.040 which was this term called p tanking, which was like 1:30:36.160 --> 1:30:39.880 basically it's the sound of the Indian accent to the 1:30:40.040 --> 1:30:43.679 non Indian ear. And it basically is like protank, protect, protect, protect, protect, 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:47.120 protect protect right. So she and we'd always have this 1:30:47.120 --> 1:30:48.960 thing where we go into an audition and then we 1:30:49.040 --> 1:30:50.760 come on and then they We'll be like, are they 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:53.479 asking to p tank? Yeah? Yeah, they asked me to partank, 1:30:53.960 --> 1:30:56.920 you know. And it was always inevitable that you go 1:30:57.040 --> 1:30:59.160 in and then they ended the cast and director something. 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:01.679 You'd be like, you know what, maybe maybe just try 1:31:01.760 --> 1:31:04.840 can we just do one take with the accent? And 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:06.719 you knew that if you did it with the accent, 1:31:07.200 --> 1:31:09.479 they were always going to use the accent. You know, 1:31:09.880 --> 1:31:12.920 that was what it was going to be. So yeah, 1:31:12.960 --> 1:31:15.200 I never had a problem with doing the accent. I mean, look, 1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:17.920 I had to pay the bills, so I did whatever 1:31:17.960 --> 1:31:21.840 I needed to do. But sometimes it felt like, you know, 1:31:22.080 --> 1:31:25.439 I always felt that it was sort of one of 1:31:25.479 --> 1:31:30.240 those things where the accent became sort of in of itself, like, oh, 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:32.360 it's just funny to have, you know, if it was 1:31:32.400 --> 1:31:34.880 a comedy, like for example, like oh it's just funny 1:31:35.200 --> 1:31:37.120 if they're talking with an Indian if he said with 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:39.280 Indian accent, you know, or it led a level, it 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:41.160 gave it a level of authenticity in fact, there was 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:46.760 one show I did called Ed remember that shows about 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:50.439 the bowling Alley? Yeah, and I got into a huge 1:31:51.080 --> 1:31:54.800 the director who I liked and really respected and stuff, 1:31:54.840 --> 1:31:57.280 but I got into this huge debate with him about it. 1:31:57.760 --> 1:31:59.800 And it was awkward because everybody on set was sort 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:02.320 of like okay, and I was like, why am I 1:32:02.360 --> 1:32:04.599 doing an accent? You know? And he was like, well, 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.880 because you know, I was like, this guy is an 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:10.320 American guy who's coming here to buy this bowling alley. 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:14.120 He's like a rich American dude. He happens to be Indian, 1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:16.519 but he's Indian American, you know, He's not like why 1:32:16.560 --> 1:32:18.320 would he have an accent? Like is there a reason 1:32:18.360 --> 1:32:21.439 for him? And I couldn't get a straight answer about 1:32:21.439 --> 1:32:23.880 the accent, you know, And it was actually ultimately I 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:26.679 forget the actor's name, the lead actor on that show 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:31.120 for ultimately John Cavanaugh, right, So you know, I think 1:32:31.160 --> 1:32:33.000 he was like, look if he doesn't want to do that, 1:32:33.160 --> 1:32:37.240 you know, and ultimately like I didn't do it, because yeah, 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:39.400 he sort of did a little bit. Yeah, and I 1:32:39.439 --> 1:32:41.240 at least that's how I remember it. Maybe that I'm 1:32:41.280 --> 1:32:44.080 making that up, but anyway, like it was, it was 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:47.720 one of those things where he became sort of an 1:32:47.800 --> 1:32:50.800 awkward conversation that I was forced to have, you know, 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:53.960 and that was I think what was sometimes unfortunate about 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:57.559 those situations where if you pushed back on the accent, 1:32:57.640 --> 1:33:00.439 you were sort of being difficult, you know, and it 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:02.439 was like, why can't you just do the accent? And 1:33:03.160 --> 1:33:05.400 for so many brown actors, including myself, it was like 1:33:05.439 --> 1:33:07.840 it was like, well, explain to me, why why if 1:33:07.840 --> 1:33:10.040 this guy is fresh off the boat and coming And 1:33:10.080 --> 1:33:12.760 I have no problem because a billion people that have 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:15.800 that accent, so it's totally fine, But just give me 1:33:15.840 --> 1:33:18.080 a legitimate reason why he would have an accent If 1:33:18.080 --> 1:33:21.400 he's an American, he's born and raised here, why does 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:23.679 these have an action? You know? And that was and 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:30.479 and so sometimes that was you know, it forced. That's 1:33:30.520 --> 1:33:32.519 where I sort of resented the idea that it forced 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:36.840 us to have to police that, you know, ourselves sometimes 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:40.640 and it put us in a situation which was, you know, 1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:45.040 sort of being the sort of difficult, the problem child, 1:33:45.160 --> 1:33:48.519 you know, in those situations. But you know, yeah, I 1:33:48.560 --> 1:33:51.200 did a lot of characters that had accents, and then 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:54.960 I started in fact, the Daily Show was one of 1:33:55.000 --> 1:33:58.920 the first major jobs I got. I remember when I 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:03.479 got the Daily Show and I said to John do 1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:06.720 you want me to do an accent? And and he 1:34:06.800 --> 1:34:11.080 was like no, no, what And I was just like 1:34:11.120 --> 1:34:12.560 it was such a breath of fresh I was like, 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:17.200 whoa wow, I'm not really you know, because and in 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:20.280 that case, it actually didn't even make sense because I 1:34:20.360 --> 1:34:24.479 was playing actual reporter from the Middle East in my 1:34:24.560 --> 1:34:27.000 first ever time I did the Daily Show. I was 1:34:27.040 --> 1:34:29.720 playing but they were like do and so logically it 1:34:29.720 --> 1:34:31.800 didn't really make sense. But I was so relieved because 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:33.719 I was just like, I don't have to do an accent. 1:34:33.760 --> 1:34:36.680 That's amazing, you know, Like I can just be I 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:39.280 can just talk like an American and and just talk 1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:39.920 like myself. 1:34:40.000 --> 1:34:42.200 And so it's so wild if they made you, like 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:44.280 what if John Oliver is just faking that accent? 1:34:44.320 --> 1:34:47.360 I know. I hate to tell you. I hate to 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:49.559 tell you no. I used to that was a joke 1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:51.040 of mine. You know, they'd be like, can you do 1:34:51.040 --> 1:34:53.160 an accent? I'd be like, yeah, I can do Irish, 1:34:53.360 --> 1:34:57.920 I can do Scottish. Which one do you want? I 1:34:57.960 --> 1:34:58.839 can do London? 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:01.920 Do you have any like? I know, it was like 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:02.720 twenty four years ago. 1:35:02.760 --> 1:35:04.479 Do you have any like memories of being on this 1:35:04.560 --> 1:35:06.479 college campus and doing this walking down? 1:35:06.560 --> 1:35:10.120 Yeah, I do so hard. It was all those stairs. 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:13.479 It was filmed up filmed up at Columbia. Yeah, it 1:35:13.560 --> 1:35:16.040 was filmed up at Columbia on the campus up there. 1:35:16.880 --> 1:35:19.200 And then I was in, you know, I had had 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:24.559 my My my memory of it is that I had 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:28.479 been on Law and Order a couple of years before, 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:34.040 and I had a really very sort of traumatic experience 1:35:34.240 --> 1:35:39.519 because I for whatever reason that day and this was 1:35:39.560 --> 1:35:42.280 not normal for me. I had this huge I was 1:35:42.320 --> 1:35:44.200 sitting on this I was playing this cab driver. I 1:35:44.240 --> 1:35:47.000 was on the stand and I had all this dialogue 1:35:47.040 --> 1:35:50.400 and I could not get through this dialogue, Like it 1:35:50.479 --> 1:35:52.920 was really embarrassing, Like I was having a really hard 1:35:52.920 --> 1:35:54.720 time with it, to the point where I was like 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:58.719 having to pace the sides down below the thing because 1:35:58.960 --> 1:36:00.840 and they were and they I could see they were 1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:04.320 getting stressed out because this guest star was and I 1:36:04.560 --> 1:36:07.439 was like, oh my god. And I was a young actor. 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:10.200 I was just for whatever reason, I hadn't had my 1:36:10.840 --> 1:36:13.840 you know, coffee enough coffee or that morning or whatever. 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:15.720 I don't know what was going on for me. But 1:36:15.800 --> 1:36:19.800 I could not get through the dialogue without messing it up, 1:36:19.960 --> 1:36:23.479 and so they kept going back, kept going back, and 1:36:23.520 --> 1:36:27.080 so I was really had this kind of PTSD, and 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:30.479 I thought, I'm never going to get hired again, Like 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:32.599 Dick Wolf is never going to hire me. Because they 1:36:32.640 --> 1:36:34.920 even were like, hey, you gout, you are right, you know, 1:36:34.920 --> 1:36:36.439 because they hadn't had me on the show before. They 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:38.960 were like okay, you know, and they were like, maybe 1:36:39.160 --> 1:36:42.320 you know, I take ten and go sit down and relax. 1:36:42.439 --> 1:36:44.800 And they thought I was nervous. And then that makes 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:47.679 you more nervous, you know, when you when when when 1:36:47.760 --> 1:36:50.800 you already are feeling the pressure of the entire room 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:54.680 and hundreds of extras and the crew. 1:36:54.439 --> 1:36:57.320 And then the coddling. I feel like then they like 1:36:57.479 --> 1:36:59.479 coddle you a little extra, and then you feel like. 1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:01.960 You feel like all eyes are on you, and so. 1:37:02.080 --> 1:37:05.519 Now paying attention, Yeah, this is the actor's recurring nightmare. 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:06.560 What you're describing? 1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:09.800 Yeah, yeah, then I'm sitting in the witness stand, So 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:14.040 it's it's also physically kind of all the folks it 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:17.680 boxed in and the focus on me, and so I 1:37:17.800 --> 1:37:20.000 was having and my count is supposed to be nervous, 1:37:20.040 --> 1:37:23.800 so it played well because I was genuinely nervous, but 1:37:24.520 --> 1:37:26.200 I was having a really hard time. But then so 1:37:26.520 --> 1:37:29.960 when I got this gig for this episode, I was 1:37:30.000 --> 1:37:35.519 so relieved that they were they hired me again because 1:37:35.520 --> 1:37:37.479 I was like, they're never gonna got it. 1:37:38.120 --> 1:37:39.320 You were so prepared. 1:37:40.000 --> 1:37:42.680 I was so prepared on this one. I was like, 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:45.840 I want them to know that I know my shit, 1:37:45.960 --> 1:37:47.680 you know what I mean? Like, so I showed up 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:52.040 like super prepared, and so I just remember doing the 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:59.720 scene with Murska Hargate and Christopher Maloney and just like 1:38:00.720 --> 1:38:04.080 the whole time like I'm doing the lines, but I'm 1:38:04.479 --> 1:38:07.519 in my head, I'm just like nailing it. I'm nailing 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:12.400 it good. 1:38:14.280 --> 1:38:16.800 And it's tough because there was a walking talk and 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:17.760 those are. 1:38:17.280 --> 1:38:20.479 The walking talk and those are hard. You know. Yeah, 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:20.840 then you. 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:23.080 Haven't had to go back into the stand, so you 1:38:23.160 --> 1:38:26.040 must have been really having the memories come back there too. 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:29.200 Yeah. I was having all that. So that episode actually 1:38:29.479 --> 1:38:32.679 was kind of just reaffirmed to me that like, oh, Okay, 1:38:32.720 --> 1:38:34.599 I know what I'm doing. Yeah, don't you know? 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:37.080 Well you said you didn't, you said you didn't watch 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:39.840 the episode, but like you know, you do you get 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:42.759 like the general plot of it is like this girl 1:38:42.800 --> 1:38:44.600 has been killed by her brother and it's sort of 1:38:44.640 --> 1:38:47.679 like an honor killing, and your role is to sort 1:38:47.680 --> 1:38:52.719 of like explain these cultural like norms. And I mean, 1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:55.280 just from what I read about you online, you grew 1:38:55.360 --> 1:38:58.559 up in a Muslim family, correct, So like was that 1:38:58.760 --> 1:39:02.960 was there anything were you like this is dramatized or 1:39:03.000 --> 1:39:05.479 this is like were you because like, for me as 1:39:05.520 --> 1:39:07.439 a viewer, this was like the first time I'd heard 1:39:07.439 --> 1:39:09.600 of this concept, you know, in two thousand and I 1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:11.400 was a much younger person. I had never heard of 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:14.479 this concept of like honor killings, you know, and so 1:39:15.240 --> 1:39:17.320 like I was wondering if you as like a Muslim 1:39:17.360 --> 1:39:20.560 actor portraying this kind of like not you know, I 1:39:20.600 --> 1:39:22.160 don't know what. I don't know how to word this 1:39:22.320 --> 1:39:24.519 not the most flattering part of the you know. 1:39:24.720 --> 1:39:25.400 I mean, look, I. 1:39:25.360 --> 1:39:27.920 Think that I think that that at that time, as 1:39:27.960 --> 1:39:31.800 a young brown actor, there was always a kind of reductiveness, 1:39:31.840 --> 1:39:34.040 you know, whether it was your Indian ness or your 1:39:34.120 --> 1:39:37.120 muslimness or whatever, there was a kind of reductiveness to 1:39:37.120 --> 1:39:37.959 turn it into. 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:41.599 Like you know TV drama. You know, so Muslims were 1:39:41.600 --> 1:39:44.559 sort of portrayed, as you know, and this was before 1:39:44.920 --> 1:39:47.559 nine to eleven, you know, and you know, as you know, 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:52.000 Americans discovered Islam after nine to eleven, so you know, 1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:56.559 and so then things became you know, then you had 1:39:56.600 --> 1:39:59.000 shows like twenty four and other shows which were really 1:39:59.040 --> 1:40:04.040 exploiting that kind of Islamophobia that then. So this was 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:09.040 sort of pre the prevailing Islamophobia that existed after nine 1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:12.120 to eleven where it made it. Then there were things 1:40:12.120 --> 1:40:15.360 where I was incredibly uncomfortable, like after nine to eleven, 1:40:15.479 --> 1:40:19.479 Like I got scripts for movies and stuff where it 1:40:19.520 --> 1:40:22.920 was literally like just Muslims, like they were like the 1:40:22.920 --> 1:40:25.679 beginning first scene of the movie was like a bunch 1:40:25.720 --> 1:40:29.280 of Muslims praying while the towers were falling down behind them, 1:40:29.360 --> 1:40:31.040 and it was this whole thing, and I was just 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:34.000 like I can't, I can't do this. You know. There 1:40:34.040 --> 1:40:37.320 was a movie actually called that actually did get made. 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:41.480 It was called Hidalgo and it was with Vigo Mortensen, 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:46.320 and it was a movie about this desert horse race 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:51.280 and this American horse rider, this cowboy who goes to 1:40:51.439 --> 1:40:55.160 Arabia and runs in this desert horse race, and the 1:40:55.240 --> 1:41:00.080 American Mustang horse beats all the Arabian horses. And this 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:03.640 movie was being made in two thousand and two, like 1:41:03.840 --> 1:41:06.599 right after nine to eleven, just as we were about 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:09.320 to go to war with Iraq and go into Afghanistan. 1:41:09.320 --> 1:41:12.280 And I remember like reading the script and I was like, Oh, 1:41:12.320 --> 1:41:16.760 this whole movie is just basically like a parent like 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:20.600 basically just the war. It's just like because there was 1:41:20.640 --> 1:41:24.519 literally a line in the movie where I said, in 1:41:24.560 --> 1:41:28.880 the context of this film, Vigo Mortenson's girlfriend says, go 1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:34.880 kick some arab ass cowboy. And this was like right 1:41:34.960 --> 1:41:36.720 on the eve of as we were about to go 1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:39.640 into Afghanistan, and I remember like I was like, I 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:42.800 can't audition for this movie, Like I can't, I can't 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:44.400 go into this, Like I'm not going to be in 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:46.439 a movie that has the line go kick some arab 1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:50.400 ass cowboy, you know. And so you know, so this 1:41:50.520 --> 1:41:53.360 was sort of before all of that, and so it 1:41:53.439 --> 1:41:56.519 was it wasn't uncommon that this is the kind of 1:41:56.560 --> 1:42:00.400 stuff that was portrayed on American television and you know, 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:05.280 about Muslims and Islam and stuff in the context of 1:42:05.320 --> 1:42:08.320 like not knowing that much about it for most Americans, 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:12.200 you know, right, but it wasn't at that time for 1:42:12.520 --> 1:42:16.400 Brown actors. At least for me. It didn't ring all 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:18.280 the bells of like I can't do this, you know 1:42:18.280 --> 1:42:19.680 what I mean? At that time, it was like this 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:20.760 is what it is. You know. 1:42:21.280 --> 1:42:23.519 I feel like we have to let you go soon, 1:42:23.760 --> 1:42:26.639 but I really we cannot leave let you go without 1:42:26.640 --> 1:42:30.439 talking about evil because I am, yes, I am an 1:42:30.479 --> 1:42:33.000 evil head. My husband and I I don't like horror 1:42:33.080 --> 1:42:35.559 stuff that much. My HU was like, watch this show 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:38.200 with me, and did it come out during the pandemic. 1:42:38.240 --> 1:42:41.000 I think we started watching it more in the pandemic. 1:42:41.600 --> 1:42:44.720 It came out, It came out prior to the pandemic. 1:42:44.760 --> 1:42:49.719 It came out actually in twenty nineteen was the first season, 1:42:50.439 --> 1:42:53.479 and then and then twenty two and then we took 1:42:53.479 --> 1:42:55.320 a break and it was you know, there was Yeah. 1:42:55.800 --> 1:42:58.840 Well, co star Michael Emerson plays a real freak in 1:42:58.880 --> 1:42:59.680 one episode of US. 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:04.519 Oh yes, well he's been around, It's been around for 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:07.040 a long time. He's so great, you know, a bad guy. 1:43:07.080 --> 1:43:09.320 He's one of my favorite actors. 1:43:09.680 --> 1:43:11.320 And by the way, he did say he would do 1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:13.800 our podcast. We've been having a hard time de nailing 1:43:13.880 --> 1:43:15.760 him down. So if you see him on a press see 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:20.479 him press, tell him we're cool, but tell me about 1:43:20.520 --> 1:43:23.759 like the doing Evil and like the final season. 1:43:23.760 --> 1:43:25.759 I'm we're devastated. It's the final season. 1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:28.439 My husband and I he says, you're My husband says 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:29.800 you're his favorite character. 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:32.400 On Evil because you really are. For people that don't 1:43:32.439 --> 1:43:35.040 watch Evil, start watching Evil. 1:43:35.120 --> 1:43:38.200 But you are a little bit of like the comic relief, 1:43:38.320 --> 1:43:40.759 Like you know, you're sort of this team of people 1:43:40.800 --> 1:43:46.320 that investigate, you know, religiously paranormal happenings, but you're kind. 1:43:46.120 --> 1:43:47.040 Of like the skeptic. 1:43:47.200 --> 1:43:50.160 That's like, I know, I can explain why this happened 1:43:50.160 --> 1:43:52.000 in like a technological way, like you're. 1:43:51.880 --> 1:43:54.960 The tech guy. Yeah, right, exactly, I'm describing it correctly. 1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:57.800 Yeah, that's totally right. And I think, you know, I'm 1:43:57.840 --> 1:44:00.479 the the tech guy. I'm sort of like a little 1:44:00.479 --> 1:44:02.880 bit like of a macguy vertype character, like I can 1:44:02.920 --> 1:44:05.840 sort of do everything. You know, it's very unlike me 1:44:05.960 --> 1:44:09.240 in real life. But he's great. I love Ben and 1:44:09.320 --> 1:44:11.479 just talking about you know, the idea of like Ben 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:14.479 was originally written as a white guy. He wasn't written 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:17.920 as an Indian guy or a South Asian character at all. 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:21.640 And when I met the Kings. Funny enough, I was 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:26.759 doing this is This Way Up when I auditioned for Evil, 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:30.479 and I actually auditioned for it when I was in 1:44:30.520 --> 1:44:34.479 London doing This Way Up. And so then I came 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:37.120 to New York, I met the Kings and they just 1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:39.840 liked me, you know, and thank god they did. And 1:44:39.840 --> 1:44:43.439 it's just been like such a great experience. And again, 1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:45.800 he's the kind of character that I never got to play, 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:47.280 you know, Like we talked about like the fact I 1:44:47.280 --> 1:44:49.040 played a lot of doctors, have played a lot of characters, 1:44:49.040 --> 1:44:51.280 but I've never gotten to play a guy who wears 1:44:51.360 --> 1:44:54.080 work boots and drives a pickup truck and can like 1:44:54.520 --> 1:44:56.760 fix shit, you know what I mean, just like that guy, 1:44:56.880 --> 1:44:59.720 you know, like and so we we brown people often 1:44:59.760 --> 1:45:03.800 get Brown men often get to be de sexualized, you know, 1:45:03.840 --> 1:45:06.880 we get to be like cerebral or whatever, you know, 1:45:06.920 --> 1:45:10.360 whereas Ben is actually you know. And then he's had 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:11.519 relationships and. 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:12.160 It's been great. 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:14.960 You know, I've had like a real character who like 1:45:15.560 --> 1:45:19.120 has a life and is multi dimensional, and so he's 1:45:19.160 --> 1:45:21.960 been great. And also like just to play with the 1:45:22.080 --> 1:45:25.479 Kings and they're such good writers and get to do 1:45:25.560 --> 1:45:27.880 all this kind of horror stuff, which is a genre 1:45:27.920 --> 1:45:30.679 that I had never really done before, you know, and 1:45:30.880 --> 1:45:32.440 to play with monsters. 1:45:32.680 --> 1:45:36.400 Yeah, it's really great when your character, when your character 1:45:36.439 --> 1:45:40.439 gets scared, it's really fun to watch because you're always like, 1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:42.920 I can explain what this is. But then there's some 1:45:43.040 --> 1:45:45.479 episodes where you get really freaked the fuck out and 1:45:45.560 --> 1:45:46.280 it's so. 1:45:46.360 --> 1:45:49.680 Fun to It's kind of great when Ben is like 1:45:49.800 --> 1:45:52.360 comes up against like, I can't explain this now, like 1:45:52.400 --> 1:45:55.120 you know, because he thinks he's always certain. He's so 1:45:55.360 --> 1:45:57.840 in a certainty about like I can explain stuff, and 1:45:57.880 --> 1:46:00.000 then when he can't, it's really kind of great because 1:46:00.120 --> 1:46:02.600 you see the whole thing like, well, what the you know. 1:46:03.760 --> 1:46:07.439 He's just been such a ride to play that and 1:46:07.720 --> 1:46:10.639 also working with you know, like you said, Michael Emerson, 1:46:10.680 --> 1:46:14.960 who's so amazing, and Katcha and my Culture and all 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:17.880 those you know, it's just been just a dream job 1:46:18.000 --> 1:46:21.160 to get to work with those guys. They're all so good. 1:46:21.320 --> 1:46:23.240 And Christine Lottie. 1:46:22.960 --> 1:46:26.080 And Christine Lottie, Oh, she's so good. 1:46:26.160 --> 1:46:26.439 It is. 1:46:26.640 --> 1:46:29.080 She's an sv girl. She's so good in it. 1:46:29.080 --> 1:46:30.639 And Andrew and Martin. 1:46:31.439 --> 1:46:33.840 It's like, truly, I think I might become an evil 1:46:33.880 --> 1:46:36.000 head you had intrigued. 1:46:36.160 --> 1:46:39.240 It's so good on our Paramount Plus when you log in, 1:46:39.280 --> 1:46:42.080 you know, like my kid's icon is Paw Patrol. Our 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:44.880 icon the adult is Andrew Martin as the nun and Evil. 1:46:44.920 --> 1:46:47.719 Oh yes, that's how we log into our Paramount Plus. 1:46:47.760 --> 1:46:49.960 Like we love that he is so great. And I 1:46:50.000 --> 1:46:53.320 know Andrew because I did Oklahoma with her in two 1:46:53.360 --> 1:46:56.880 thousand and two on Broadway like years ago. So I 1:46:56.920 --> 1:46:59.120 worked with Andrew Martin back in the day. And then 1:46:59.320 --> 1:47:01.880 to have her come back and Young Evil has been 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:04.120 such a treat, you know, and we get we get 1:47:04.160 --> 1:47:09.200 such great guest stars. Yeah, well like some amazing people. Yeah, 1:47:09.280 --> 1:47:12.000 come in and out, you know, and uh, it's been great. 1:47:12.080 --> 1:47:17.320 It's I'm sad that it's over, you know, it's it's 1:47:17.360 --> 1:47:19.519 just creatively, it's just been a lot of fun to 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:21.479 do and such great stories. 1:47:21.800 --> 1:47:24.559 What a career did Yeah? Do you have anything? 1:47:24.880 --> 1:47:26.439 Do you broad still going? 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:28.760 I'm still going yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. 1:47:30.560 --> 1:47:32.680 Else you want our listeners to keep an eye out 1:47:32.680 --> 1:47:35.519 for beside the final season of Evil that's coming out 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:36.640 on Paramount Plus. 1:47:36.840 --> 1:47:40.519 I mean there's nothing like right now, I'm actually getting 1:47:40.520 --> 1:47:45.320 ready to do a play this fall. Uh in l 1:47:45.400 --> 1:47:54.000 A at the The Deaf Playhouse with Rain Wilson. Do 1:47:54.080 --> 1:47:57.720 you are you in l great? So? Uh Yeah, it's 1:47:57.760 --> 1:47:59.240 called Waiting for Goodell. 1:48:00.040 --> 1:48:02.920 Reading for Good And I mean, who hasn't read that? 1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:04.000 Right? Well? 1:48:04.040 --> 1:48:04.559 I haven't. 1:48:04.960 --> 1:48:08.080 Well, I mean like when you when you're a theater major, 1:48:08.240 --> 1:48:09.480 you like have to reader. 1:48:09.680 --> 1:48:12.880 Go go slowgo Vivekramswami. Then you're waiting for good. 1:48:13.920 --> 1:48:16.920 Oh my gosh, thank you so so much us if 1:48:16.920 --> 1:48:18.720 this was so fun, this is gonna be a great 1:48:18.720 --> 1:48:21.519 palate cleanser for our episode after Yeah, we talk about 1:48:21.680 --> 1:48:23.920 you know, honor killings and you know. 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:25.120 People, thank you. 1:48:29.080 --> 1:48:32.400 Obsessed with him, I mean for such a sad episode, 1:48:32.439 --> 1:48:34.880 I just feel like, no better guests, no better guest. 1:48:35.000 --> 1:48:37.000 It was a joy to speak to him. I'm like, yeah, 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:39.800 I was taken away. Well, he was so interesting in 1:48:39.880 --> 1:48:42.600 so many different ways, and like he just had so 1:48:42.680 --> 1:48:43.200 much to say. 1:48:43.240 --> 1:48:44.080 And I don't know if that's like. 1:48:44.040 --> 1:48:47.640 The comedian element of him or what, but he just 1:48:48.120 --> 1:48:49.760 we didn't have to drag anything out of him, and 1:48:49.760 --> 1:48:53.360 it's just like interesting, amazing. Not that an other guests 1:48:53.400 --> 1:48:55.200 aren't great, but he is my number one guest at 1:48:55.200 --> 1:48:59.759 this point. Sorry, and of course Lou Diamond Phillips, It's awesome. 1:49:00.120 --> 1:49:00.559 Lou Diamon. 1:49:03.360 --> 1:49:06.160 Yeah, he was so fun to talk to and uh 1:49:06.439 --> 1:49:09.680 love love smart a variety of topics. 1:49:10.120 --> 1:49:10.559 Yeah. 1:49:10.680 --> 1:49:14.320 Nice, But well, I'm sorry. So I do have a 1:49:14.360 --> 1:49:16.599 soul Cycle thing. So there's a comedian I was chatting 1:49:16.600 --> 1:49:18.720 with him. He likes soul Cycle as well, but he 1:49:18.800 --> 1:49:21.040 has a big issue with them because they don't He 1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:23.880 took off his shirt once and he was scolded and 1:49:23.920 --> 1:49:29.080 they said, sorry, shirts on nipples covered, and you know, 1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:31.080 the mesh didn't field good. Like we kept kind of 1:49:31.200 --> 1:49:32.599 I was like, maybe you could take a shirt and 1:49:32.640 --> 1:49:35.080 tie it in, do a belly shirt. Like we were 1:49:35.120 --> 1:49:38.920 just brainstorming what to do because I told him, I'm like, 1:49:39.000 --> 1:49:40.120 I cycle in a bra. 1:49:40.400 --> 1:49:41.880 Like if I had to wear a shirt, I would 1:49:41.880 --> 1:49:43.000 be miserable. 1:49:43.280 --> 1:49:45.559 It is so hot in there. I do not want 1:49:45.560 --> 1:49:47.040 to wear a shirt. So I understand a man not 1:49:47.040 --> 1:49:49.479 wanting to wear a shirt. So I keep sending him 1:49:49.560 --> 1:49:52.280 like different nipple covers and like different kind of like 1:49:52.760 --> 1:49:57.880 obviously super homoerotic, like little garter nipple cover sports bras 1:49:57.920 --> 1:50:02.040 that are gender neutral, and I'm just trying to find 1:50:02.120 --> 1:50:04.439 him a way to cover nipples and still be able 1:50:04.479 --> 1:50:07.439 to cycle. But I also maybe with the so I 1:50:07.520 --> 1:50:09.200 just I know that I wouldn't want to wear a shirt. 1:50:09.920 --> 1:50:14.320 Yes, no, me neither. I mean I wear like wicking 1:50:14.560 --> 1:50:17.360 tank tops that are you know whatever. But but it's 1:50:17.360 --> 1:50:20.360 interesting because it's like, I guess, if they say a 1:50:20.439 --> 1:50:22.080 man can take a shirt off, then can a woman 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:22.800 take their shirt off? 1:50:22.800 --> 1:50:25.240 Because that's only fair to me for sure. 1:50:25.280 --> 1:50:27.759 But your titties bounce, Like if you are a woman 1:50:27.800 --> 1:50:29.920 who I need to be titties out at soul cycle, 1:50:30.320 --> 1:50:31.719 you are a full maniac. 1:50:32.520 --> 1:50:34.000 Yeah, you are a maniac. 1:50:34.800 --> 1:50:37.360 There's so much up and down, like I just can't 1:50:37.360 --> 1:50:41.400 even imagine. But if anyone has any you know, tiny 1:50:41.439 --> 1:50:45.240 little nipple cover things to do? Yeah, oh wait, did 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:48.080 I get tell you? I got tickets to Broadway? Oh Mary. 1:50:49.880 --> 1:50:52.680 So I had breakfast with my friend yesterday and she 1:50:52.760 --> 1:50:54.320 was like, well, if you could extend your trip, I'm 1:50:54.360 --> 1:50:56.559 going tomorrow and I think my husband's probably gonna bail 1:50:56.600 --> 1:50:57.760 on me for work, and. 1:50:57.720 --> 1:51:00.920 I'm well, it's off right here. Well it's gonna be 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:01.400 on Broadway. 1:51:01.680 --> 1:51:03.880 Yes, tickets for the last of the current run. And 1:51:03.920 --> 1:51:05.599 then I tried, but it. 1:51:05.600 --> 1:51:07.639 Was wild because I was sitting with a few friends 1:51:07.680 --> 1:51:09.080 and I was like, fuck, I'm not gonna be able 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:11.160 to see it off Broadway. I bet it'll be on Broadway. 1:51:11.200 --> 1:51:13.080 I just have to be patient. Then next morning I 1:51:13.080 --> 1:51:14.440 woke up tickets were available. 1:51:15.120 --> 1:51:18.800 You are incredible. I want to go so badly. 1:51:19.160 --> 1:51:21.920 I want to go, But also my sister's fucking going, 1:51:22.000 --> 1:51:26.400 like everyone's going, I'm dying. Anyway, everybody goes see Cola Scola. 1:51:26.240 --> 1:51:29.280 In O Mary. We're not being paid to say that. 1:51:29.600 --> 1:51:32.760 No, but it's a twelve week It's a twelve week 1:51:32.920 --> 1:51:36.640 run starting towards the end of June. I believe, so 1:51:37.320 --> 1:51:40.679 your August trip could coincide with certain Broadway days. 1:51:40.720 --> 1:51:43.559 Oh that's a good call. I didn't know it was 1:51:43.600 --> 1:51:46.680 so long. It's a twelve week run. I thought it 1:51:46.680 --> 1:51:48.800 went until late July. So I was like, oh, I'm 1:51:48.840 --> 1:51:50.720 not gonna make Maybe it's eight week, but I really 1:51:50.720 --> 1:51:52.639 think it's a twelve week round. No, okay, I'm googling 1:51:52.640 --> 1:51:54.800 it right after we get off here. Okay, all right, 1:51:54.880 --> 1:51:57.840 post morning. For this episode, we did a fucking episode 1:51:57.840 --> 1:52:00.880 called girl Dishonored and then an episode called I Mean 1:52:01.600 --> 1:52:04.200 Tough subject matter In both episodes. 1:52:04.439 --> 1:52:06.519 Uh yeah, is that what we've been doing just talking 1:52:06.560 --> 1:52:09.040 about nipple covers and soul cycle to please not talk 1:52:09.080 --> 1:52:11.679 about honor killings and the sadness that brings us. 1:52:11.720 --> 1:52:13.760 So that we don't have to like do a roundup 1:52:13.800 --> 1:52:14.960 of what we talked about today. 1:52:15.080 --> 1:52:17.640 Yeah, the dead displayed out mother, No one could have 1:52:17.640 --> 1:52:20.720 helped her. I I mean, but at that point, do 1:52:20.760 --> 1:52:23.120 you even want to live? No, no offense should want 1:52:23.160 --> 1:52:25.240 to live. You'll get through it, but. 1:52:25.280 --> 1:52:25.720 It's just. 1:52:27.240 --> 1:52:30.880 Yeah, it's it's so tough. I mean, what my mars 1:52:30.880 --> 1:52:32.680 are made out of. And that's the whole thing of 1:52:32.760 --> 1:52:36.320 like you know, maso hierarchy of needs. You can obviously 1:52:36.360 --> 1:52:38.720 be upset and frustrated and sad about your life where 1:52:38.760 --> 1:52:41.240 like things not working out or working out, but like overall, 1:52:41.439 --> 1:52:46.000 just like the gratefulness I feel to be alive here 1:52:46.040 --> 1:52:48.840 today in New York, I don't know, it's just like 1:52:49.000 --> 1:52:52.840 horrible to think, like one one little turn in the 1:52:52.880 --> 1:52:56.799 cosmos and you're fucking getting murdered by your family because 1:52:56.920 --> 1:52:57.599 you want to fuck. 1:52:57.760 --> 1:53:00.479 I mean, it's or or you're you've been a tact 1:53:00.560 --> 1:53:02.720 I mean, like it's not even about your wants all 1:53:02.760 --> 1:53:04.960 the time. It's just like you represent the honor of 1:53:05.000 --> 1:53:07.080 your family, whether you like it or not, and whatever 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:09.720 happens to you, or choices you make or not, or 1:53:09.800 --> 1:53:12.120 choices you don't make, it all reflects just back on 1:53:12.160 --> 1:53:14.840 your family. You're just a mirror for your family. And 1:53:14.880 --> 1:53:17.200 that's it. Like you don't really exist as your own 1:53:17.640 --> 1:53:20.280 person in a lot of ways, at least in the 1:53:21.560 --> 1:53:25.360 I think in the types of families that would you know, 1:53:25.439 --> 1:53:28.160 condone an honor killing. You know, I'm obviously not saying that, 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:30.800 like in a full culture it's like that, but you know, 1:53:31.560 --> 1:53:35.720 like these people in the real case were not at 1:53:35.760 --> 1:53:40.160 all remorseful. They think what they did was perfectly fine. 1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:44.000 And just the hypocrisy. You married out of your religion, sir, 1:53:44.400 --> 1:53:48.200 your wife was a Catholic, but yet and like and 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:51.320 yet you know your daughter cannot have any kind of 1:53:51.680 --> 1:53:53.320 grace ugh. 1:53:53.240 --> 1:53:57.479 And the Catholic I mean, it's it's it's maniacs hiding 1:53:57.520 --> 1:54:00.600 behind some sort of tradition, religion or not. I put it, 1:54:01.360 --> 1:54:03.879 it's not like that dad in the show was a killer. 1:54:04.200 --> 1:54:07.680 This way was a fucking cold blooded killer in the 1:54:07.680 --> 1:54:09.360 real case, like they all are you know what I mean? 1:54:09.520 --> 1:54:12.440 Like, yeah, these are killers. 1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:15.320 And the dad just in the episode just got away 1:54:15.720 --> 1:54:20.280 off he goes fucked. Anyway, let's make this a quick one. 1:54:20.400 --> 1:54:21.880 I can't to do good. 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:24.960 Cabot killed it in the courtroom, and so did the professor. 1:54:25.080 --> 1:54:27.280 So that was like some cool moments. 1:54:27.720 --> 1:54:31.280 Yes, yeah, And I do feel like, as I said, 1:54:31.320 --> 1:54:33.320 like the first time I ever heard about this kind 1:54:33.360 --> 1:54:34.880 of thing was on this show. Like, so I do 1:54:34.960 --> 1:54:38.680 think this show like is what like always is trying 1:54:38.720 --> 1:54:39.080 to bring. 1:54:39.400 --> 1:54:40.560 They don't always hit them all. 1:54:40.640 --> 1:54:43.680 I've been holding the microphone while looking at my microphone 1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:50.080 stand for this whole time. I cannot believe I just 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:53.040 didn't put it in this hole. But next I cannot 1:54:53.080 --> 1:54:55.080 believe it. It does look like I'm holding an oscar? 1:54:55.160 --> 1:54:57.880 Did you hear that? Kate Winslet keeps the oscar in 1:54:57.920 --> 1:55:00.839 her bathroom so people can do acceptance speech the bathroom 1:55:00.880 --> 1:55:02.760 in the mirror that feeling self conscious. 1:55:03.120 --> 1:55:03.800 I love that. 1:55:04.160 --> 1:55:06.000 And she says she can tell who does it because 1:55:06.000 --> 1:55:08.040 they come out with their face a little flushed or 1:55:08.160 --> 1:55:13.400 like it takes extra long to get out after they flush. 1:55:13.440 --> 1:55:15.600 But I think that's cool because who wouldn't want to 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:16.560 hold an oscar into. 1:55:16.400 --> 1:55:17.960 A little speech? I love it. 1:55:18.520 --> 1:55:20.480 I love it, And I'm sure she has a cleaning 1:55:20.480 --> 1:55:22.520 person that comes probably twice a week at least. 1:55:22.600 --> 1:55:23.960 I mean, she's wealthy. 1:55:24.280 --> 1:55:26.240 I'm sure those oscars are getting wiped down on the 1:55:26.280 --> 1:55:29.520 regular for sure. Yeah, no fingerprints on those babies. But yeah, 1:55:29.520 --> 1:55:31.600 all I was gonna say was like this show like 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:34.160 told me what even the concept of honor killing was Like. 1:55:34.160 --> 1:55:36.360 I feel like this show has introduced a lot of 1:55:36.400 --> 1:55:41.880 like tough subject matter that's very varied, and even though 1:55:41.880 --> 1:55:44.280 they don't always hit the mark exactly and some stuff 1:55:44.280 --> 1:55:46.520 doesn't hold up, I do like appreciate that they're always 1:55:46.520 --> 1:55:49.120 trying to incorporate these kind of things treatment of women 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:51.360 all over the world, you know, into the show. 1:55:53.360 --> 1:55:55.200 Let's move on to what would Sister Peg Do? 1:55:55.720 --> 1:55:57.760 What was Ster Peg Do was our weekly segment where 1:55:57.800 --> 1:56:01.560 we direct you towards an organization, a book, a blog 1:56:01.600 --> 1:56:03.480 and articles something to give you more info about what. 1:56:03.480 --> 1:56:04.360 We talked about today. 1:56:04.880 --> 1:56:09.480 And for this week, our episode obviously focuses on a 1:56:09.600 --> 1:56:14.200 victim who is originally from Palestine, and we've been following 1:56:14.400 --> 1:56:17.920 the conflict in Palestine for the last few months and 1:56:18.200 --> 1:56:20.760 we've been really really impressed by all the work that's 1:56:20.760 --> 1:56:24.680 been done by World Central Kitchen, founded by chef Jose 1:56:24.800 --> 1:56:27.880 Andres in twenty ten. World Central Kitchen's mission is to 1:56:27.920 --> 1:56:31.600 provide fresh meals in response to humanitarian, climate and community crises. 1:56:32.080 --> 1:56:35.040 Andre says, quote, when people are hungry, send in cooks, 1:56:35.080 --> 1:56:38.840 not tomorrow today, end of quote. At the time of 1:56:38.880 --> 1:56:41.680 this recording, they have resumed their aid in Gaza, so 1:56:42.040 --> 1:56:44.760 we are happy to point you guys to them if 1:56:44.800 --> 1:56:47.680 you can donate. Throughout the history of the organization, they 1:56:47.680 --> 1:56:50.440 have prepared over three hundred and fifty million meals worldwide. 1:56:50.560 --> 1:56:53.200 I believe we talked to Jamie gray Hyder about them 1:56:53.240 --> 1:56:55.440 as well. I think she may have volunteered with them 1:56:55.440 --> 1:56:59.000 a little bit. 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