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Speaker 1: We got lots to talk about Jerry Jones. I'll keep
Speaker 1: spanning until Derek decides to take over. All right, let's
Speaker 1: just get in to it. Jerry Jones, he talked on
Speaker 1: the fan today. Very interesting, very interesting because we I
Speaker 1: felt from what I heard myself that it wasn't the
Speaker 1: usual you know, dream seller, optimistic, hyped up Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: that we are used to hearing and seeing for the
Speaker 1: most part. But I just wanted to get y'all's opinion
Speaker 1: on some of the things that he did say in
Speaker 1: regards to Odell and where they're at currently. This is
Speaker 1: the second day of their visit, so there's still like
Speaker 1: a second part of it, and we still haven't necessarily
Speaker 1: heard what the status is as far as is physical
Speaker 1: and how that went specifically. So just overall thoughts on
Speaker 1: what you guys heard from Jerry. I think it's like
Speaker 1: you said, it's got to work out for both sides,
Speaker 1: and he was adamant about that it's got to work
Speaker 1: for this year. And you know, if you just if
Speaker 1: you listen to Jerry enough, you know that this is
Speaker 1: he probably you know, it wasn't that optimistic about it.
Speaker 1: It didn't sound as optimistic, but he also got to
Speaker 1: remember that there's negotiations going on here and in the
Speaker 1: middle of it, and not just it's not other teams
Speaker 1: that are listening, it's his agent listening maybe Odell himself.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of cat and mouse to this situation.
Speaker 1: It didn't sound like it was like he has a
Speaker 1: pen in hand ready to do this. But then again,
Speaker 1: you know, we've we've been duped before about what things
Speaker 1: look like on the surface. Kind of feel like there's
Speaker 1: a couple of things going on here. One of them.
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, Nick about the negotiation aspect
Speaker 1: of it. I think another thing is the realization. And
Speaker 1: I've always felt this about Jerry Jones. You asked him
Speaker 1: a question, He's going to try and give you the
Speaker 1: best answer he can give. I don't think Jerry's in
Speaker 1: the business of lying to you. I don't think, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean he's I think he's very honest about the
Speaker 1: assessment of his team. You know. I think he's just,
Speaker 1: you know, honest about you know, he was trying to
Speaker 1: tell you why ask Eliott didn't start. You know, that
Speaker 1: was one of the things. It was like, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to tell you it was nothing he did
Speaker 1: wrong or bad or anything like that. You know, he's
Speaker 1: he's a leader on this team, and he went to
Speaker 1: his defense to be honest. And you know, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, that's something that he's trying to get that
Speaker 1: out there, and that's that's great. I appreciate about him.
Speaker 1: I think there are some concerns about the knee. I
Speaker 1: think there's some concerns about it long term. I think
Speaker 1: there's some concerns about it. How fast can you get
Speaker 1: ready to play right now? You know, and Jerry and
Speaker 1: his crew they want him to play as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: I don't see this as being like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get two games out of you potentially, and then it's
Speaker 1: you know, going to be all over with I think
Speaker 1: there's some honest concerns about it, and you know, we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know, they still might get the deal done. This
Speaker 1: might be a place where Odell Beckham says, listen, I
Speaker 1: understand the knee's not perfect. I'm gonna take some time here.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a break on this, you know, and
Speaker 1: if and if you get enough of a break on
Speaker 1: you know, on you know, him being available, then maybe
Speaker 1: you can make this thing work and the way you
Speaker 1: need it to work. So I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that's where where they're at right now. They're they're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out like, Okay, we understand where your knee is,
Speaker 1: and we understand your availability, and this is what we're
Speaker 1: willing to do to make that work. And if that's
Speaker 1: okay with you, then we could get a deal done.
Speaker 1: If it doesn't appear that way, then either you know,
Speaker 1: he could go somewhere else or he could completely sit
Speaker 1: out the season and try and do this all over
Speaker 1: in the springtime again. Yeah. You know what's actually interesting
Speaker 1: to me I heard on one or five dot three
Speaker 1: the Fan last week they interviewed m Josina Anderson, who
Speaker 1: is bought us close to ODE's friend on covering this
Speaker 1: thing as anybody you'll find in the media, and there
Speaker 1: was something she said, and Bobby Belt actually called it out.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I paid as much attention
Speaker 1: to it as I should, but her her she said,
Speaker 1: and she's kind of kind of glossed over it, but
Speaker 1: she said, if Odell decides to play this right right
Speaker 1: And I think and Bobby brought it back up this morning.
Speaker 1: I heard him talking about it, and I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of the crux of this issue. You have on
Speaker 1: one side, it doesn't seem like it's even been decided
Speaker 1: on Odell's side, that he's actually thinks he's gonna be
Speaker 1: ready to be able to play this year. You got
Speaker 1: Jerry on the opposite side, and here was his quote
Speaker 1: this morning. We want to certainly see something that gives
Speaker 1: us every opportunity to have a big year with a
Speaker 1: big year this year with him. So you got the
Speaker 1: Cowboys saying we really need to help this year. You
Speaker 1: got Odell, or at least his camp or people that
Speaker 1: are close to him saying, you know, I don't even
Speaker 1: know if he's going to be ready to play this year.
Speaker 1: And I think that is in my opinion. I think
Speaker 1: that's what we're starting to hear a little bit of now,
Speaker 1: is there's a little bit of that's the riff, you know.
Speaker 1: And I actually had the question for you guys. I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear your opinions on this. If you were
Speaker 1: sitting in Jerry's chair and you were having to make
Speaker 1: a decision about him, would you be willing to sign
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior for a deal that if you knew
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to play this year? Do you think
Speaker 1: it's worth it for next year or maybe even the
Speaker 1: year after? Did that to go ahead and do the deal?
Speaker 1: And by the way, here's the part you gotta think about.
Speaker 1: Even if you don't think he's necessarily going to play
Speaker 1: this regular seasons, he may be available to you in
Speaker 1: the postseason. Does he provide insurance for you if one
Speaker 1: of your guys gets hurt in the postseason? All that
Speaker 1: being considered, what would you do if you were Jerry?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sign him. I don't think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: and again, I don't know I've looked at a knee,
Speaker 1: and if I did, I would know how to evaluate it, probably,
Speaker 1: But I mean, I just I just his knee, Okay,
Speaker 1: not yours. Just need a knee now, okay, um, now calfs.
Speaker 1: I can probably be a specialist on that. Now, I
Speaker 1: just I don't. I don't think I would. And the
Speaker 1: reason why is And I don't mean to be like
Speaker 1: the wet blanket on this because everyone's excited about it.
Speaker 1: But I fast forward to the spring of next year
Speaker 1: in free agency. Okay, Cowboys need this this They don't
Speaker 1: have any money. We all know that. Are they gonna
Speaker 1: go get a thirty year old receiver that doesn't play
Speaker 1: special teams? That could be here? Number two and three?
Speaker 1: When you know CD's gonna need a deal and you
Speaker 1: already signed Gallup and you probably drafted someone because you
Speaker 1: don't really like what Tolbert did all that stuff. I
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna sign a guy like that anyways.
Speaker 1: So if it doesn't help you right now, I just
Speaker 1: think their needs are different because he wants the latch on.
Speaker 1: Odell wants the latch onto a team right now, preferably
Speaker 1: a team that has a chance to win, and then
Speaker 1: get himself ready rehabbing and for free and all that
Speaker 1: stuff and gettingself ready for the next year. And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys want a guy ready to play this year. I
Speaker 1: just think that their needs are different. I could be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a smart ass here. How old
Speaker 1: was James Washington? How old? Yeah, they signed James Washington.
Speaker 1: They went and got a veteran receiver. It was a
Speaker 1: million dollars. See, that's what I'm saying, though, I mean
Speaker 1: they they went and got one. I mean, that's that's right.
Speaker 1: But but I mean they to me, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If yeah, you wouldn't yeah you I was understanding what
Speaker 1: you're saying. Would they sign on an Odell next year? Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. Yeah, I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. And and to your point, it's, yeah,
Speaker 1: it have to be for a lot less money, you know.
Speaker 1: I they they did. They got rid of Cooper and
Speaker 1: they brought a veteran guy in, but it was for cheat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know that's kind of where you're like going, Well,
Speaker 1: they've brought receivers in before, right, But but yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be for the money. This if
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, to be honest with you, if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get the deal that he wants, I wouldn't play.
Speaker 1: I don't care. You know, it's not you know, rally
Speaker 1: back next year and see if you can drum up
Speaker 1: a market like you know, try and convince Nick that,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I'm worth more than a million dollars.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm worth five million dollars. You know, try
Speaker 1: and convince people that that's actually the case here. But
Speaker 1: me personally, I'm troubled on this one because I feel
Speaker 1: like having him, even if it was for two or
Speaker 1: three games, I kind of feel like that he would
Speaker 1: help you. But long term, I mean Nick said something
Speaker 1: the other day. They kind of got my attention. I've
Speaker 1: used it on the radio. When you start to think
Speaker 1: about his contract, if it's long term, what does that
Speaker 1: do to CD's contract, you know, I mean Nick brought
Speaker 1: it up. I think it's an excellent point. If you're
Speaker 1: negotiating right now with Odell Beckham and your CD Lamb's camp,
Speaker 1: you're going, well, what are you talking to him for?
Speaker 1: My guys doing? You know, why would you and all?
Speaker 1: You know? And then you can also the guy can
Speaker 1: said well, Jesus got rid of Amari Cooper. They just
Speaker 1: moved on from him like nothing. So I mean maybe
Speaker 1: that gives you scares you a little bit. But I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like though that that if if I
Speaker 1: can't get him, like I need him for this year,
Speaker 1: and it's it is only just two three games, I
Speaker 1: don't think I would do this. I just don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got receivers that are coming along, and
Speaker 1: and like we just said, or I just said, you
Speaker 1: got James Washington in the hole in case if something
Speaker 1: happens to one of these receivers, you know you would
Speaker 1: probably this time of year, what would you do? You
Speaker 1: would go get James Washington if he was available. That's
Speaker 1: what he's already, You've already got him. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: actually pretty annoyed if by the whole situation, Like there's
Speaker 1: been so much hype, right and yesterday you see him
Speaker 1: at the MAVs and you see him with Mica and
Speaker 1: Trevon and everything. You see them all smiling and oh,
Speaker 1: this is great, great chemistry and everything, and then you
Speaker 1: listen to Jerry Jones this morning and then to me personally,
Speaker 1: everything kind of took a turn and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this doesn't really sound great. Specifically, when they asked him
Speaker 1: about his availability and when he would be playing, Jerry
Speaker 1: kind of took a pause there and thought about it,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, that's relative depending how you look
Speaker 1: at it. And he could play one snap or you know,
Speaker 1: be in the playoffs or help you in the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Who knows. But the fact that from my understanding that
Speaker 1: he's not and again we don't really know where he's
Speaker 1: at with the injury, but not willing to and correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong to do like a workout and
Speaker 1: allowed teams to actually see you, allowed the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: see you run around do something. That's a problem. That's
Speaker 1: a huge gamble that and I understand like the Cowboys position,
Speaker 1: and Jerry even admitted it that it doesn't make him
Speaker 1: confident or comfortable to do this kind of signing without
Speaker 1: being able to see and analyze him on the field
Speaker 1: doing things physically. So it's just it's it's a very
Speaker 1: tricky situation. But as of right now, based on today's
Speaker 1: mood and what I heard, I don't think this has
Speaker 1: headed the right direction, and looking into next year, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign him as of right now for that. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree with you guys in that ass. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's funny. I think they have a better
Speaker 1: idea of the knee. At least they've got to see
Speaker 1: the player physically, they've got to move the leg and
Speaker 1: all that. I'm gonna say this, and I have no
Speaker 1: insight on this, I really don't. I mean, nobody is
Speaker 1: saying a damn word about this. But I know working
Speaker 1: with Britt Brown and Jim Mauer, I know, working with
Speaker 1: doctor Cooper, the front office trust those guys more than anything.
Speaker 1: I mean, they they drafted Jalen Smith, you know why,
Speaker 1: because Dan Cooper did that surgery that you know, everybody's like,
Speaker 1: take him off the board, man, this guy ever gonna
Speaker 1: play again? This guy's does that and the other the
Speaker 1: Cowboys said, Noah, that's our second round pick right there.
Speaker 1: Dan Cooper did, the doctor did the surgery. They know,
Speaker 1: they they trust their medical staff more than anybody I
Speaker 1: think in the league. I think there's some teams that
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, fine, medical staff, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: We're just gonna take this player anyway. These guys here,
Speaker 1: they they carry a big stick in that room. And
Speaker 1: if Brent Brown and Jim Mauer and doctor Dan Cooper
Speaker 1: and doctor Fowl and everybody else says the sneeze is
Speaker 1: just not right, it's just not ready yet, you know
Speaker 1: he needs time. And I guarantee you Mike McCarthy said
Speaker 1: it before. He trusts this medical staff. He said it before.
Speaker 1: Then Jerry and Steven have kept this medical staff here
Speaker 1: as coaches have been let go, they've kept the same
Speaker 1: medical staff. You know why they trust him. So if
Speaker 1: this medical staff is saying that he's not ready, the
Speaker 1: knee is just not right, he needs more time. You know,
Speaker 1: if you want to sign him, will work with him.
Speaker 1: But let me just tell you why I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I think that carries a big stick in that. The
Speaker 1: timing of it I think is just off. Like like
Speaker 1: Amber just said, you don't go buy a car and
Speaker 1: then the owners tell you you can't drive it right now.
Speaker 1: You can't test drive it, because that's all you're trying
Speaker 1: to do. Because if you can't test drive it, can't
Speaker 1: try it. Yeah, And because he that's why I say
Speaker 1: the timing is off. He's not ready to go run
Speaker 1: routes and make cuts and all that because you're gonna
Speaker 1: make decisions based off the way I look. That's why
Speaker 1: players don't want to put bad tape out there if
Speaker 1: they're not ready, because you're gonna judge me on how
Speaker 1: I look, and I'm not ready to be judged just yet.
Speaker 1: So you know that's that's that's the way it is.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to take pictures eight o'clock in the morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let me get ready before I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go do this. But here's another part of that too,
Speaker 1: Like you said, if you want us to work with them,
Speaker 1: they trust the training staff, you know, like the it's
Speaker 1: a gamble too, because maybe Jerry and them do want
Speaker 1: to sign him next seat. Yeah, now you can be
Speaker 1: the first to the party and say I got my
Speaker 1: great rehab crew that work with him on the cords
Speaker 1: until then, until he's ready to go, and I don't
Speaker 1: have to fight everyone else that wants to jump back
Speaker 1: in in March when he's a free agent. I already
Speaker 1: did it. I did the work, I bet, I bet
Speaker 1: the bullet, and now I got him for next year.
Speaker 1: If they want to go that route, that's a route too.
Speaker 1: That's that's a that's a great point. And you know
Speaker 1: you're also looking at a situation that that that Jerry
Speaker 1: and Steven might say, we appreciate everything you guys just
Speaker 1: said about this player. We're going to sign him. He'll
Speaker 1: be We're just going to sign him. You know that.
Speaker 1: We don't care. We were you know, thanks we yet.
Speaker 1: But Nick's right, you know, if you want to, if
Speaker 1: you just want to knock it out for next year,
Speaker 1: and it's not going to kill you. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think they've got a lot of guys they got to
Speaker 1: sign next year though, right They've got a pretty significant
Speaker 1: and I think they've got zero cap money. That's also
Speaker 1: why to me, unless you're getting help out of him
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I don't know if it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Because what you need more than anything else right now,
Speaker 1: that too, what you need right now is you need cheap,
Speaker 1: good players, and you can do that in the draft.
Speaker 1: There are always good receivers you can find in the
Speaker 1: draft on the second round, third round. Now, see this
Speaker 1: is what happens with Jalen to That's that's yeah. But
Speaker 1: the thing about it is like I would look at
Speaker 1: it if I'm the Cowboys, if I'm looking at a
Speaker 1: long term solution, it's probably not O'Dell just because it's
Speaker 1: gonna cost me so much money. I got all these
Speaker 1: other guys coming after him who are young, by the way,
Speaker 1: that I gotta take care of, and I gotta pay
Speaker 1: if unless Odell's willing to give me a price that
Speaker 1: actually makes sense and fits. Yeah, several years we've seen this,
Speaker 1: We've seen this playout right, We've seen the same. Ironic
Speaker 1: part of it all is that the reason why you
Speaker 1: don't want to go do all that. Let's not forget
Speaker 1: the Mavericks game last night. Those are Jerry's seats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the Cowboys seats that he said he didn't just
Speaker 1: not that those guys and that crew that he was
Speaker 1: with it and have the money to buy any seats.
Speaker 1: That's where they find it interesting. It was all defensive players. Well,
Speaker 1: it was The interesting part is the really in a
Speaker 1: music mogul. Yeah, the reason why you can't, you know,
Speaker 1: why you don't really want to go too far down
Speaker 1: the road with him and pay him all this money
Speaker 1: is because you got to sign. Ironically, those two guys
Speaker 1: that were sitting next to him, those two contracts would
Speaker 1: keep me up at night if I was Stephen and
Speaker 1: his crew that does that especially well, it's you can
Speaker 1: start with you can start next year with Diggs, and
Speaker 1: I just I just have this feeling with Diggs. Next
Speaker 1: year he doesn't have that fifth year option. It's gonna be.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be he's going into his last year, and
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna try to get it done and
Speaker 1: I don't need to. Yeah, And I don't think you'll
Speaker 1: see him. I don't. I don't know this. I just
Speaker 1: wouldn't expect him to be at like the training camp
Speaker 1: and then he got a right tackle that's up too.
Speaker 1: Terren Steele. Yeah, way, negotiation though, right, Terren Steele, Right,
Speaker 1: they're trying to get Terrence Steel done right now? Is
Speaker 1: that an easy negotiation? I think it's an easier negotiation
Speaker 1: because or at least the way I approach the negotiation. Now,
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're gonna give him a hometown discount,
Speaker 1: but I think for a guy like him that came
Speaker 1: from where he came from, it as much as the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have invested in him, I think you can get
Speaker 1: that deal done for him price that makes sense. I
Speaker 1: don't top ten right tackle in the league. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what he's want. Yeah, Daves is gonna want to be
Speaker 1: the highest paid cornerback in the history of cornerbacks, which
Speaker 1: is every time a new guy gets a deal, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. And then that's it's easier. Got Mica. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's about to be like highest paid defensive player in
Speaker 1: the history league. That's gonna be a that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a really, really tough one because I guarantee you they're
Speaker 1: gonna say, stop calling him a linebacker because if they
Speaker 1: try to franchise them, you franchise him as a defensive
Speaker 1: end and a linebacker. Yeah, you go different at differ.
Speaker 1: You got a fifth year option on him, Yeah, Mica.
Speaker 1: Plus you got franchise tags that you could go try
Speaker 1: and go multiple years there on that, so you could
Speaker 1: you could run this thing, what seven years? Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I kind of you want to though. No, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying though that you got a quarterback, you got it,
Speaker 1: and the quarterbacks up in what three years too? That's
Speaker 1: the trie That was a short deal. Yeah, but here's
Speaker 1: the deal. And and I don't want to get too
Speaker 1: far into the cap conversation, but it's like seasons. This
Speaker 1: is like if you're the talk when I'm significantly I
Speaker 1: think next year, like suppose you really big jump. So
Speaker 1: that's also part of this too, is how much of
Speaker 1: a cap will you have either have O'Dell or Pollard
Speaker 1: next year? Pollard for sure. I don't even think it's
Speaker 1: a question for me. I don't either, but I think
Speaker 1: that's a That's that's what we're talking about here, that
Speaker 1: type of player. It is thought. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: I'll make it. I'll make it even tougher as I
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Speaker 1: A bar has ceedee Lamb been the best player on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys since the Chicago game. Chicago, so we've played
Speaker 1: five games, bye week and then Packers and coming off
Speaker 1: the bye Yeah, best player on the team. M I
Speaker 1: would he's he's improved a lot, a lot. He I
Speaker 1: would say he's one of the guys I had done
Speaker 1: the biggest jump so far. We've seen the defense show struggles.
Speaker 1: So I think the defense has taken like a dip down.
Speaker 1: And I would I would say so, I think that
Speaker 1: the way that CD has progressively progressively been playing, I
Speaker 1: would now put him on top of that list as
Speaker 1: one of the best players on the roster. Derek Eagleton, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's been Pollard. Yeah, I was just looking
Speaker 1: up the numbers. I think I think Pollard has been
Speaker 1: If you want to point out one player that you
Speaker 1: say has been the lynch pin of their success over
Speaker 1: these games, to me, it's been Tony Pollard. I agree.
Speaker 1: And also, and the only thing about CD is that
Speaker 1: as great as he's been and his numbers are better
Speaker 1: than his play has been better than his numbers because
Speaker 1: you don't get points for the pis that he's drawing
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but he also don't get docked
Speaker 1: a little bit for some of the route running, the interceptions.
Speaker 1: He's a part of that too. Some of his work
Speaker 1: he's been outstanding. I go with Pollard, And also, I
Speaker 1: keep writing this thing. Trayvon Diggs has been amazing. Treyvon
Speaker 1: Diggs like just no one's throwing at him, but throwing
Speaker 1: at Brown's watch what they do with Joseph, like they're
Speaker 1: gonna throw Diggs has been really, really good to the
Speaker 1: point where he's board like I think, actually think that's
Speaker 1: why he'd been on that route the other day, because
Speaker 1: he's kind of like the play like what are we doing?
Speaker 1: But you know, look at looking at Tony Polar's numbers
Speaker 1: over the last four games, that would be four games
Speaker 1: since Chicago he's been over one hundred total yards in
Speaker 1: three or those four games. Like and again you're talking
Speaker 1: about a couple of games where he had zeke back
Speaker 1: and so I just I'm looking at this and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think he has clearly been and I they're best
Speaker 1: player over and I give Kellen Morre some credit too
Speaker 1: for finding out ways to get him involved a lot more.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just this back versus this back.
Speaker 1: They figure out different ways to use them interchangeably. I
Speaker 1: think it's been good. I think they both been really
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, I mean I like your answer to
Speaker 1: Anbar I was thinking that. I mean it's also the
Speaker 1: combination with because Michael Gallup, I wouldn't put him as
Speaker 1: the best right now. He hasn't shown that just yet,
Speaker 1: but him as well, he's been progressively getting better, more opportunities,
Speaker 1: but because of Ceedee Lamb as well. So I put
Speaker 1: them just kind of like combo. So the receiver group
Speaker 1: has taken a step from where they were going. And
Speaker 1: to be fair on that there of those four games,
Speaker 1: for two of those games he's had over one hundred yards. See,
Speaker 1: he has had seventy one in the other um and
Speaker 1: he's had three touchdowns in those four games. So it's
Speaker 1: not a really really good yeah stretch here, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. All Right, Derek dan Quinn's reputation is on
Speaker 1: the line with Kelvin Joseph starting right now. Nah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make that. Man have to deal with that.
Speaker 1: That's not his decision. Kelvin Joseph was not his decision,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, that's well. He went, he
Speaker 1: went to Lexington to work and he made it. But
Speaker 1: as Jerry says, he makes the final decision on players. Okay,
Speaker 1: that that sits with the front office. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: put that on dan Quinn because I'll put it to
Speaker 1: you like this, Everything that dan Quinn has done since
Speaker 1: he's gotten here, for the most part, has been right
Speaker 1: on point. He knows how to get the most out
Speaker 1: of every single player. I'm quite frankly listening to you yesterday,
Speaker 1: it has me a little bit intrigued. If they give
Speaker 1: if he's gonna be getting all these I'm all about that.
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued now. I want to see if what we've
Speaker 1: seen so far, if he can get a lot better.
Speaker 1: I'll talk to heard Jerry talking about as well, and
Speaker 1: talking about how Kelvin Joseph is a hard worker and
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things. And sometimes that's just platitudes.
Speaker 1: Other times, you know, maybe it is legit that he's
Speaker 1: a hard worker and he's really in there and he's
Speaker 1: working at it, and now playing, maybe he does get
Speaker 1: a lot better makes maybe he makes that league. Now's
Speaker 1: the time to do it for sure. And uh and
Speaker 1: so let let's see what he does. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna saddle dan Quinn with that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think if Kelvin Joseph struggles, yeah, I wouldn't say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe dan Quinn's not that good of a
Speaker 1: coordinating I don't know about that. But I do think
Speaker 1: a lot is riding on this, on this situation, because
Speaker 1: he gives up plays just constantly. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go right at him. I think that
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a pinpoint of the game
Speaker 1: plan for opposing teams. Uh, let's see what his confidence
Speaker 1: is going to be. I just think, you know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to make a huge hoose jump. And I
Speaker 1: and I wonder if if this isn't a situation where
Speaker 1: Bland is maybe a better on the outside and then
Speaker 1: you slide him on the inside. But they play nickel
Speaker 1: all the time, right, sure, so it's not really like
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta play him both. Well, I look
Speaker 1: at that too. Is like if you if you still
Speaker 1: want him to play the nickel, you basically just keep
Speaker 1: blanding there when you have two cornerbacks and when you
Speaker 1: go to nickel you slide him inside like that to
Speaker 1: me would be the optimal way I would want to
Speaker 1: see it. But I know, Brian, you you think Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph is better at this point than Bland, and so
Speaker 1: well I did it. I no, No, I just I
Speaker 1: just think what I've seen from Bland going back training.
Speaker 1: I love I love Bland. I'm just saying I think
Speaker 1: that they I think they they think that Joseph they
Speaker 1: for some reason they trust Joseph to go out there
Speaker 1: and play. Yeah, they do and make plays, and I
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's on I do. That's why
Speaker 1: I asked the question about dan Quinn. Think you want
Speaker 1: making that choice. I think dan Quinn's the one that
Speaker 1: went to Lexi k Kentucky. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: to go work out Quentin Bohannah. I think it was
Speaker 1: to go work out a guy in Lexington and like,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that dan Quinn fought for
Speaker 1: this guy. I think, you know, the reputation of him
Speaker 1: as an evaluator is on the line, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's done a really nice job, but it's also
Speaker 1: going to be his job to make sure that he
Speaker 1: protects him from not getting attacked in this game. Nick,
Speaker 1: what did you think about did you ever that was it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I don't think it's reputations on
Speaker 1: the line. I mean, I get the question, but but
Speaker 1: I do think I think this is this is a huge,
Speaker 1: huge part of the of this last month of the
Speaker 1: season for the Cowboys because because all it takes is
Speaker 1: one cornerback out there on that island that can neck
Speaker 1: and put you in harm's way. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry said though, you know, he he says, this is
Speaker 1: the best safety class he's ever had here. So you know,
Speaker 1: maybe those guys can help. You know that they can help.
Speaker 1: And also just tell Mica that he sucks. That's what
Speaker 1: Michael said. Just tell him that he sucks so he
Speaker 1: can get pissed off and get after him because the
Speaker 1: best cornerbacks in the league are the ones that play
Speaker 1: the play with with really good pass rushers. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you right now, Mac is gonna have at least
Speaker 1: three sacks this week after last week. I think he's
Speaker 1: just like so so in, you know, so looking forward
Speaker 1: to seeing that you get it done in the first half.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, they pull him, yeah and bar about that
Speaker 1: dan quinn reputation on the line. Now, it's gonna take
Speaker 1: a whole lot more than that for you or anyone
Speaker 1: to change. From my mind on dan Quinn and what
Speaker 1: he's done for the Cowboys so far, I think now
Speaker 1: is a stretch where you really look, how okay, how
Speaker 1: is he going to handle this situation at the cornerback position?
Speaker 1: Is Kelvin Joe said, really gonna take that step forward?
Speaker 1: And more so, like, let's say, if he continues to
Speaker 1: show struggles. I mentioned this, I think it was yesterday,
Speaker 1: how his teammates react to that, and how does dan
Speaker 1: Quinn manages keeping everybody on the same team and everybody
Speaker 1: on the same you know hi, But like you know,
Speaker 1: this is our guy. Let's keep pushing him. Brother than
Speaker 1: now people kind of turning on him, pissed off because
Speaker 1: we know defensive players, they're very, very competitive. They get
Speaker 1: really mad and it can quickly take a different turn.
Speaker 1: You're right about that if if it's a bad situation,
Speaker 1: it won't be one for long. I mean they'll they'll
Speaker 1: make a move there they have to say, said Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: Can't play Sean right, see this kindall Sheffield is a
Speaker 1: guy um that, but he's more He's the outside guy
Speaker 1: and they want Yeah, they're looking for an inside slot
Speaker 1: type of guy. Yeah, well, Sheffield's more outside or a
Speaker 1: press corner. He's more of a press corner, not a
Speaker 1: zone corner, but a press corner. So that's what they
Speaker 1: really like about him too. May be playing more press
Speaker 1: number seven. That number seven is really good at it.
Speaker 1: On the other side, I don't know why they don't
Speaker 1: do more, but they should and absolutely should. Nick pollarder Zeke, Um,
Speaker 1: you only have one. Polar's a better player right now.
Speaker 1: He's a better player, and and he's he gives you
Speaker 1: some things that that like, if you're looking at the
Speaker 1: draft next year, in the second to third round, what
Speaker 1: Zeke is giving you right now is there. I think
Speaker 1: Mali Davis, maybe Malie Davis, but also in the draft
Speaker 1: that that guy's there, that guy that could average for
Speaker 1: four and a half yards, tough inside running, hangs onto
Speaker 1: the football, gives him a spark. But the Pollard and
Speaker 1: Pollard was a fourth round pick, I get it, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't what he is and he needed two to
Speaker 1: three years to really develop into this. So UM, I
Speaker 1: still think though I'm a chicken and steak guy, I'm both.
Speaker 1: I like both, you know, combo platter. I still think
Speaker 1: you can figure out both here, you can you can
Speaker 1: figure out both. Zeke's going to get a very interesting
Speaker 1: contract I think at the end of the season, and
Speaker 1: I think they'll both be here. But but lord's the
Speaker 1: Lords and bar Polo or Zeke? What's the game scenario
Speaker 1: here where we are? Is it like two in goal
Speaker 1: or where are we at? I freaking love Zeke, but
Speaker 1: as of right now, if you had and absolutely had
Speaker 1: to pick one one Tony Pollard just because of that spark,
Speaker 1: that dynamic type of plays that he's being able to
Speaker 1: give you that Zeke has kind of started lacking. And
Speaker 1: not to say Zeke. He's great and we still need him,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, the combination of both depending
Speaker 1: on the situation of you know what the game is
Speaker 1: looking like and what play there. But yeah, Tony Poller,
Speaker 1: I guess to me, it's it's it's easy Pollard, And
Speaker 1: it's only because of age. I'm running back. Is running
Speaker 1: back is a position more than any other position in
Speaker 1: the NFL where age matters and you age quickly. Two
Speaker 1: years apart, but you age quickly at that position. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you what you start seeing is it can drop
Speaker 1: off so quickly for a running back. I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm drawing a blank. But the
Speaker 1: running back that was in Pittsburgh, maybe on Bell, he
Speaker 1: was among the very best in the NFL, and literally
Speaker 1: within a year or two just kind of like fell
Speaker 1: off the map. Yeah, And I mean he was so good,
Speaker 1: and that's that's the way running backs are. So for me,
Speaker 1: it's not so much. And I know what you're saying, Nick,
Speaker 1: but even right now, I see a lot of extreme
Speaker 1: value in what you get from Zeke Elliot. Some of
Speaker 1: things he's done over last week. We were talking about
Speaker 1: it during the game last week. He has a little
Speaker 1: bit at burst back like he is. He is running
Speaker 1: the ball I think at a really, really high level
Speaker 1: right now. My issue still is he has a lot
Speaker 1: of areas on that body. He's twenty seven years old.
Speaker 1: You've already done a second deal. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I would get to a third for me, I look
Speaker 1: at it. Give me the younger guy, and I'll go
Speaker 1: back to the well and try to jet. My strategy
Speaker 1: with running backs would just be every year, every two years,
Speaker 1: I'm drafting another one and I'm going to keep that
Speaker 1: a young position. When's his contract? Uh, it's it's not up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're gonna have to get you about as
Speaker 1: up as it can be without being up. But you,
Speaker 1: but you, this is the year you can play with
Speaker 1: you know, Brian, you brought up a point about Jerry
Speaker 1: on the radio this morning talking about Zeke and and
Speaker 1: and after the game. He's the one that brought it
Speaker 1: up that he was a cell phone disciplinary issue. And
Speaker 1: the reason why he did it because that's his son. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he loves Zeke. He protects him. He doesn't want some
Speaker 1: guy in the media to say you benched Zeke. No,
Speaker 1: and so he'll he'll he'll throw his business out there
Speaker 1: that he knows he's not really supposed to. That's the
Speaker 1: eternal stuff. You're not suppose that happens all the time.
Speaker 1: There's all that kind of issue. You know, there's little
Speaker 1: fines here and there, but he's so protective making sure
Speaker 1: you don't we're not benching this guy. Okay. So that's
Speaker 1: why he threw it out there, and he had a
Speaker 1: decision to make, and he chose I'd rather get into
Speaker 1: McCarthy's business because I don't want you to think differently
Speaker 1: the boy the way we feel about Zeke. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that probably tells you a lot about what's going to
Speaker 1: happen this office, right, It tells you a whole lot
Speaker 1: about what they feel about him. And typically one thing
Speaker 1: we know about Jerry Jerry can he can have loyalty
Speaker 1: when it comes to these players and sometimes keep him
Speaker 1: a little longer than he may be should can I
Speaker 1: can I ask one more question? Quicker? We gotta got
Speaker 1: quick answer. Okay, every needs give me a quick answer.
Speaker 1: And Bar, what line would you use if you were
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones to convince Odell Beckham to come to Dallas.
Speaker 1: Give me one line. Everything is bigger and better in Texas.
Speaker 1: Like it, Derek. We got a team that can compete
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is the final segment of the Break
Speaker 1: and literally is going to be two minutes. So let's
Speaker 1: get a quick question here. I did have a question
Speaker 1: for you guys about from Ernie on Twitter. He says,
Speaker 1: and what areas have you seen Kellen Moore in Burt?
Speaker 1: I knew that? And what area is Kellen Moore? I
Speaker 1: improve this year compared to last? Is count your favorite guy?
Speaker 1: How is scan Drake really? And that coming out of
Speaker 1: that checket, I'm sorry Ernie Banks. Now what's the keen
Speaker 1: question was how, how in what areas have you seen
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore improvable? We said it, I said it earlier.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the fact that he can figure
Speaker 1: out how to get Pollard going, how to get Pollard
Speaker 1: and Zeke out there together, Um, those tight ends. He
Speaker 1: plays a lot of three and four tight end sets
Speaker 1: and and they're still productive. They're still spread it out,
Speaker 1: you know, throwing the ball around. I think he's been
Speaker 1: really creative with the ways he's getting those guys going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, you you look at it
Speaker 1: with the things that they've been able to do, the
Speaker 1: more movement, the more useless of some combination rounds, the
Speaker 1: running game, stuff like that. Yeah, it's it's it. It's
Speaker 1: actually looking like it needs to look, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: they put a lot of pressure on defensive coordinators. I think,
Speaker 1: if my memory is serving me right, I would say
Speaker 1: probably red zone. I think they've improven that once hit
Speaker 1: the red zone, they shows struggles there, but they'll be
Speaker 1: able to get some points in there. And that's something.
Speaker 1: Was it last year or two years ago, I can't
Speaker 1: remember when it was when they were really really struggling
Speaker 1: in the red zone, that's where I'm struggling to kind
Speaker 1: of two years really remember zone was that two years ago?
Speaker 1: I mean, so it was last year or something last Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's part of the running issue. Yeah, that was absolutely
Speaker 1: the second half of the year for sure. I just
Speaker 1: feel that this year that's taking some improvement there and
Speaker 1: kind of the ways that and that's that. That's another
Speaker 1: thing Dac is just better at with than Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: He just brings a little bit more element of running
Speaker 1: there than and I think they're better in the red
Speaker 1: zone for him. All Right, we appreciate you, guys. John,
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