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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>You're about to hear an episode of Cautionary Tales with

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Harford. Tim's podcast explores mistakes from history and importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>what we can learn from them. As you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of disasters to choose from, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>always an interesting angle on what we can take from them.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned something new every time it be surprised, but

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<v Speaker 2>a shipwreck from the sixties can teach us something about

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake we all make when making decisions today. This

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<v Speaker 2>episode is about a poet. William McGonagall is remembered today

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<v Speaker 2>as the worst poet in the world, and Tim is

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with his work. I think I am too. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>a quick example, A pathetic tale of the sea I

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<v Speaker 2>will unfold enough to make one's blood run cold, concerning

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<v Speaker 2>four fishermen cast a drift in a dory. As I've

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<v Speaker 2>been told, I'll relate the story twas on the eighth April,

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<v Speaker 2>on the afternoon of that day that the village of

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<v Speaker 2>Louisbourg was thrown into a wild state of disarray. So

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<v Speaker 2>what can we learn from a disastrous poet? Tim has

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<v Speaker 2>a few ideas, and in true revisionist history style, he

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<v Speaker 2>has a feeling we've been understanding McGonagall all wrong. Enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the episode. It's one of my favorites, and make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you subscribe to Cautionary Tales for plenty more disasters and

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<v Speaker 2>plenty more lessons.

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<v Speaker 1>The wind is fierce, no doubt about it. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>strongest gale that John Watt can remember, and he's been

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<v Speaker 1>working for the North British Railway since eighteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a full twelve years. It's a good night to be

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<v Speaker 1>safely sheltered in the Railways signal cabin, sharing a mug

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<v Speaker 1>of tea with a friend, signalman Thomas Barkley. As what

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<v Speaker 1>and Berkley sit their tea and look out of the

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<v Speaker 1>window into the darkness, it can see the faint line

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<v Speaker 1>of lamps all along the new railway bridge, running almost

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<v Speaker 1>two miles across the wide River Tay to the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Dundee. Every now and then the clouds gust apart

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<v Speaker 1>and the full moon picks out the high girders of

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<v Speaker 1>the longest bridge in the world. A few minutes after

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<v Speaker 1>seven o'clock comes the signal from the south the northbound

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<v Speaker 1>train is approaching. Thomas Barkley steps out of the cabin

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<v Speaker 1>into the wind and waits. As the train approaches, the

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<v Speaker 1>sparks from the wheels visible in the dark, he greets

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<v Speaker 1>the crew with a smile, handing over the batten that

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<v Speaker 1>gives permission for a train to cross the bridge. The

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<v Speaker 1>train is moving at walking pace. He sees child peer

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<v Speaker 1>out of the window of a carriage as it passes.

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<v Speaker 1>Then as the train puffs off over the long, high

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<v Speaker 1>iron span, Thomas goes back to his friend in the

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<v Speaker 1>shelter of the cabin and sends a message to the

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<v Speaker 1>signal box over on the other side of the river, Tay.

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<v Speaker 1>The signal bell rings three times in response, and still

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<v Speaker 1>the wind howls. Thomas turns back to his mug of tea.

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<v Speaker 1>But John, what is gazing out of the window at

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge. There's something wrong with the train, he says Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>Barkley thinks he's imagining it, but John knows what He's seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Three red tail lamps fading into the distance over the bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>and then a series of flashes, three small and one big,

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<v Speaker 1>then darkness. No tail lamps. The train's gone over, Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>he says. Thomas Berkley still isn't convinced. Surely the train

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<v Speaker 1>has just disappeared from view after cresting the highest point

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<v Speaker 1>of the bridge. Surely they'll see her again soon, but

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. Thomas tries calling the signal box on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the bridge, nothing. They go outside, briefly

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<v Speaker 1>venture onto the bridge, and then retreat as the wind

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<v Speaker 1>threatens to tear them off the girders and into the

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<v Speaker 1>waters below. The clouds part again, and the full moon

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<v Speaker 1>reveals the scene. A thousand yards of the bridge are gone,

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<v Speaker 1>the high girders of the central spans, the iron piers

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<v Speaker 1>that had supported them also gone. And of course the

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<v Speaker 1>train has gone too, and every one of its passengers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a catastrophe. But this is not a story about

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<v Speaker 1>a fatal bridge collapse. It's a story about a poet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tim Harford, and you're listening to cautionary tales beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>railway bridge of the silvery tay Alas. I'm very sorry

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<v Speaker 1>to say that ninety lives have been taken away on

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<v Speaker 1>the last Sabbath day of eighteen seventy nine, who will

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<v Speaker 1>be remembered for a very long time. Thus begins a

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<v Speaker 1>poem titled the tay Bridge Disaster. It is widely regarded

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<v Speaker 1>as the worst poem ever written, and its author, William McGonagall,

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<v Speaker 1>is widely regarded as the worst poet. I'll spare you

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<v Speaker 1>the full poem, but here's a central verse. So the

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<v Speaker 1>train moved slowly along the Bridge of Tay until it

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<v Speaker 1>was about midway. Then the central girders, with a crash.

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<v Speaker 3>Gave way, and down went the train and passengers into

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<v Speaker 3>the tea. The storm fiend did loadally bree because ninety

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<v Speaker 3>lives had been taken away on the last Sabbath day

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<v Speaker 3>of eighteen seventy nine, which will be remembered for a

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<v Speaker 3>very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was just a boy, I saw an illustration

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tay Bridge catastrophe in a children's picture book.

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<v Speaker 1>It stayed with me. I can still see it in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. The bridge seems so horribly high and thin

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<v Speaker 1>as it collapses into the storm. The train is just

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<v Speaker 1>steaming off into thin air. It's awful. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>encountered William mcgonagall's truly terrible poem, and it stuck with

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<v Speaker 1>me just as vividly, or should I say, it has

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<v Speaker 1>been remembered for a very long time. Here's the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the poem.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh ill fated Bridge of the silvery tea. I must

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<v Speaker 3>now conclude my lay by telling the world fearlessly without

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<v Speaker 3>the least dismay, that your central girders would not have

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<v Speaker 3>given way. That least many sensible men do say had

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<v Speaker 3>they been supported on each side with buttresses. At least

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<v Speaker 3>many sensible men confesses. For the stronger we our houses

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<v Speaker 3>do build, the less chance we have of being killed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awful. I'm obsessed with William McGonagall. I have so

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<v Speaker 1>many questions. Who was this man? What does he teach

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<v Speaker 1>us about art? And above all, how does a poem

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<v Speaker 1>get to be this bad? I have several biographies of

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<v Speaker 1>the poet McGonagall in front of me. One of them

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<v Speaker 1>says he was born in eighteen twenty five. Another says

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<v Speaker 1>he was born in eighteen thirty, and both were written

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<v Speaker 1>by William McGonagall himself. William mcgonagall's parents were Irish, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was born in Edinburgh and went to school in

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<v Speaker 1>South Ronalds Say, one of the Orkney islands, remote even

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<v Speaker 1>by the standards of schooltland. William's education was interrupted by,

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<v Speaker 1>of all things, an encounter with his teacher's beloved pet tortoise.

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<v Speaker 1>William was fascinated by the creature, but when he picked

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<v Speaker 1>it up to fully admire the beauty of its shell,

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<v Speaker 1>the unfortunate animal voided its bowels on his hands. In disgust,

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<v Speaker 1>the boy hurled the tortoise to the ground, nearly killing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and mcgonagall's teacher, enraged, started thrashing his face with a cane.

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<v Speaker 1>All very distressing. William's father complained to the local magistrate.

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<v Speaker 1>The magistrate threatened to disbar a teacher, and the practical

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<v Speaker 1>outcome was that the teacher lived in fear of ever

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<v Speaker 1>upsetting William again, who skipped school with impunity. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the story McGonagall would tell, and his point was clear.

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<v Speaker 1>William McGonagall was much like William Shakespeare. He had learned

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<v Speaker 1>more from nature than he learned at school. McGonagall adored

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<v Speaker 1>his namesake, William Shakespeare. He read and re read Macbeth, Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>the Third Hamlet, and othellow.

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<v Speaker 3>I gave myself no rest until I obtained complete mastery

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<v Speaker 3>over the above four characters.

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<v Speaker 1>Mcgonagall's family moved to Dundee, where both he and his

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<v Speaker 1>father worked as weavers. William would give impromptu performances of

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<v Speaker 1>Shakespeare to his shopmates. He says they were quite delighted,

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<v Speaker 1>and perhaps they were, since they were willing to pay

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<v Speaker 1>good money to support his theatrical ambitions. William McGonagall was

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<v Speaker 1>to play the title role in Macbeth just as long

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<v Speaker 1>as he paid one pound to the theater owner for

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<v Speaker 1>the privilege one hundred dollars in today's money. His colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>all contributed, and nobody can say they didn't get their

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<v Speaker 1>money's worth. McGonagall couldn't afford a costume of his own,

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<v Speaker 1>so borrowed a few items from friends and colleagues, and

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<v Speaker 1>took the stage dressed less like the ambitious nobleman Macbeth

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<v Speaker 1>and more like a highland beggar. The play traditionally ends

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<v Speaker 1>with a climactic fight in which Macbeth is slain by Macduff.

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<v Speaker 1>This concept proved two pedestrian for McGonagall. One witness described

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<v Speaker 1>the result an immortal scene in more ways than one.

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<v Speaker 4>McGonagall had evidently made up his mind to astonish the

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<v Speaker 4>gods at his performance, for instead of dying when run

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<v Speaker 4>through the body by the sword of Macduff, he maintained

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<v Speaker 4>his feet and flourished his weapon about the ears of

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<v Speaker 4>his adverse. In such a way that there was for

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<v Speaker 4>some time an apparent probability of the performance ending in

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<v Speaker 4>real tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall saw it differently.

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<v Speaker 3>The actor who was playing Macduff against my Macbeth tried

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<v Speaker 3>to spoil me in the combat by telling me to

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<v Speaker 3>cut it short. I continue the combat until he were

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<v Speaker 3>fairly exhausted, and until there was one old gentleman in

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<v Speaker 3>the audience cried out well done. McGonagall walk into him,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I did until he was in a great

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<v Speaker 3>rage and stamped his foot and cried out, fool, why

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<v Speaker 3>don't you fall?

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<v Speaker 1>With Macduff audibly urging mcgonagall's Macbeth to go down, and

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<v Speaker 1>Macbeth ignoring him over and over again. Macduff, enraged, wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>Macbeth out his knuckles with the flat of the blade,

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<v Speaker 1>forcing him to drop his own sword. McGonagall was now

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<v Speaker 1>unarmed but undaunted, and he dodged around and around Macduff,

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<v Speaker 1>looking for all the world as though he now planned

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<v Speaker 1>to wrestle for it. The Macduff actor, disgusted at the

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<v Speaker 1>tomfoolery camp, tossed his own sword aside and charged in

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle McGonagall. The sublime tragedy of Macbeth came to

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<v Speaker 1>an undignified end with a title character swept off his

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<v Speaker 1>feet and deposited on his backside. The audience were ecstatically.

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<v Speaker 1>They bellowed for McGonagall to be brought forward to receive

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<v Speaker 1>a standing ovation. What a shame that mcgonagall's artistic sensitivities

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<v Speaker 1>were not put to full time use. He continued to

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<v Speaker 1>work as a weaver for decades. Not to worry. Good

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<v Speaker 1>things come to those who wait. He would eventually emulate

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<v Speaker 1>William Shakespeare, the man he so admired. William McGonagall would

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<v Speaker 1>become a poet cautionary tales will be back after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall was about fifty when it became clear to him

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<v Speaker 1>that there was no future in weaving. Machine looms had

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<v Speaker 1>taken over.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't make a living from it. But I may

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<v Speaker 3>see Dame Fortune has been very kind to me by

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<v Speaker 3>endowing me with the genius of poetry. I remember how

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<v Speaker 3>I felt when I received the spirit of poetry.

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<v Speaker 1>It was June eighteen seventy seven. McGonagall was lamenting that

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't get away to the Highlands for a holiday.

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<v Speaker 3>All of a sudden, my body got inflamed and instantly

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<v Speaker 3>I was seized with a strong desire to write poetry,

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<v Speaker 3>so strong in fact, that in imagination I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>heard a voice crying in my ears right right. I

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<v Speaker 3>wondered what could be the matter with me? And I

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<v Speaker 3>began to walk backwards and forwards in a great fit

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<v Speaker 3>of excitement, saying to myself, I know nothing about poetry,

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<v Speaker 3>but still a voice kept ringing in my ears right right.

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<v Speaker 3>Until at last, being overcome with a desire to write poetry,

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<v Speaker 3>I found paper, pen and ink, and in a state

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<v Speaker 3>of frenzy, sat me down to think what would be

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<v Speaker 3>my first subject for a poem.

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<v Speaker 1>That subject was the Reverend George Gilfillan, a local preacher.

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall wished to praise. The poem stirringly concludes.

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<v Speaker 3>My blessing on his noble form and on his lofty head,

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<v Speaker 3>May all good angels guard him while living, and hereafter

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<v Speaker 3>when he's deed.

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall sent the poem to the Dundee Weekly News, which

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<v Speaker 1>took the unwise step of printing it. Thus encouraged, he

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<v Speaker 1>sent a second poem, Bonnie Dundee.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, Bonnie Dundee, I will sing in thy praise a

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<v Speaker 3>few but true, simple lays regarding some of your beauties

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<v Speaker 3>of the present day, and virtually speaking, there's none can

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<v Speaker 3>then gainsay for super fine goods. There's none can excel

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<v Speaker 3>from Inverness to Clarkenwell and your tramways. I must confess

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<v Speaker 3>that they have proved a complete success, which I am

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<v Speaker 3>right glad to see, and a very great improvement to

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<v Speaker 3>Bonnie Dundee.

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<v Speaker 1>There is more, but alas, the Weekly News declined to

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<v Speaker 1>print what it described as a so called poem, at

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<v Speaker 1>which point McGonagall sent them a letter threatening to stop

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<v Speaker 1>sending any more poems. The Weekly News dryly explained to

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<v Speaker 1>its readers that we can only express the fervent hope

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<v Speaker 1>that he may put into execution this artful threat. In

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of eighteen seventy eight, McGonagall had been a

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<v Speaker 1>poet for just a year when he received a letter

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<v Speaker 1>from Queen Victoria's private secretary, Sir Thomas Biddulf, informing him

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<v Speaker 1>that Her Majesty would like to become a patron of

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<v Speaker 1>his poems. McGonagall seems not to have registered any surprise

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<v Speaker 1>at this sudden honor, but he was inspired to make

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<v Speaker 1>the fifty nine mile journey from Dundee to Queen Victoria's

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<v Speaker 1>residence at Balmorral so that he could recite his verse

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<v Speaker 1>for her. For an unemployed weaver, there was no way

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<v Speaker 1>to reach Balmorrale except to walk. The journey took three days,

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<v Speaker 1>during which time McGonagall was fared and sheltered by shepherds

0:18:09.716 --> 0:18:13.236
<v Speaker 1>who took pity on him. He recorded some of his

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<v Speaker 1>journey in poetry, notably.

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<v Speaker 3>On the Spittle of Glen Shee, which is most dismal

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<v Speaker 3>for to see, with its bleak and rugged mountains, and

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<v Speaker 3>clear crystal spouting fountains with their misty form, and thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of sheep there together doth.

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<v Speaker 1>Room, He was drenched by hours of rain, and threatened

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<v Speaker 1>by the roaring and flashing of a thunderstorm overhead. That

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<v Speaker 1>was undaunted, having told his friends back in Dundee that

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<v Speaker 1>on his way to see Her Majesty and Balmoral he

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<v Speaker 1>would pass through fire and water rather than retreat. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>mid afternoon on the third day, McGonagall reached Her Majesty's

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<v Speaker 1>residence at Balmoral Castle. He was intercepted by the constable

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<v Speaker 1>at Balmoral's Gatehouse Lodge, who presumably observed mcgonagall's collar length

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<v Speaker 1>way of hair, his drenched, patched up clothes and his

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<v Speaker 1>dirty boots, and did not think to himself, here comes

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<v Speaker 1>a future poet laureate.

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<v Speaker 3>I showed him Her Majesty's Royal letter of Patronage for

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<v Speaker 3>my poetic abilities, and he read it and said it

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<v Speaker 3>was not Her Majesty's letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone had played a cruel trick, But McGonagall insisted that

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<v Speaker 1>the letter was genuine. The Constable took it away for

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<v Speaker 1>a while before returning to announce.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I've been up at the castle with her letter,

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<v Speaker 4>and the answer I got for you is they can

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<v Speaker 4>he be bothered with you?

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall showed the Constable a copy of his poems, including

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<v Speaker 1>the claim that McGonagall was poet to Her Majesty. The

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<v Speaker 1>Constable objected.

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<v Speaker 4>You are not poet to her Majesty. Tennyson's the real

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<v Speaker 4>poet to her Majesty.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. Yes, Alfred Lord Tennyson, the actual poet laureate. How

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<v Speaker 1>inconvenient In writing The Charge of the Light Brigade, Alfred

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<v Speaker 1>Lord Tennyson performed a rare feat. He created a poem

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<v Speaker 1>that is as famous as the Disaster. It describes.

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<v Speaker 5>Canon to the right of them, Canon to the left

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<v Speaker 5>of them, canon in front of them, bollied and thundered,

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<v Speaker 5>stormed at with shot and shell. Boldly they rode and

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<v Speaker 5>well into the jaws of death, into the mouth of hell,

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<v Speaker 5>rode the six hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>William McGonagall never got close to succeeding Tennyson as poet laureate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet his poem The tay Bridge Disaster matches Tennyson's achievement.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Tennyson was good, but he was no William mcgone.

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<v Speaker 1>But I digress. The constable suggested that McGonagall demonstrate his

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<v Speaker 1>skills by reciting some poetry at the castle gate. No, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>said McGonagall. He wasn't some wandering charlatan. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>real thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Take me into one of the rooms on the lodge

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<v Speaker 3>and pay me for it, and I will give you

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<v Speaker 3>a recital.

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<v Speaker 1>The constable didn't oblige, but he gave McGonagall some advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless you want to be arrested, go home and don't

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<v Speaker 1>think of returning to balmorel. McGonagall duly began the three

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<v Speaker 1>day walk home to Dundee. When he got back, he

0:21:51.876 --> 0:21:55.556
<v Speaker 1>wrote up his adventures, sent them to the newspapers, and

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<v Speaker 1>before long was being mocked up and down the British Isles,

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<v Speaker 1>as a headline in the Evening Telegraph put it, extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>freak of a Dundee poet William mcgonagh at Balmoral, genius

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<v Speaker 1>still unrecognized. When a cruel prank wastes a week of

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<v Speaker 1>your life, dashes your hopes and leads you to being

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<v Speaker 1>mocked in the national press, what can you do? The answer,

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<v Speaker 1>pick yourself up and try again. McGonagall noted that Tennyson

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<v Speaker 1>was famous for his war poetry, so he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>dabble in war poems too. They are not very good.

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<v Speaker 1>The Battle of Cresse begins.

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<v Speaker 3>To us on the twenty sixth of August. The sun

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<v Speaker 3>was burning hot in the year of thirteen forty six,

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<v Speaker 3>which will never be forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>And ends with the classic McGonagall move of cramming some

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<v Speaker 1>extra syllables in free of charge.

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<v Speaker 3>And the king's heart was filled with great delight, and

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<v Speaker 3>he thanked Jack for capturing the Bohemian standard during the fight.

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<v Speaker 1>But McGonagall was soon encouraged to receive a lucrative job

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<v Speaker 1>offer from the famous playwright and theater impresario Dion Busico.

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<v Speaker 1>Busico's letter invited him to a fine dinner, but as

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall tells the story, he arrived to find several men

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting him, barely suppressing giggles as McGonagall was served a

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<v Speaker 1>cheap sandwich. McGonagall had been pranked again, although when Busico

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<v Speaker 1>heard about the joke, he sent McGonagall a sympathetic letter

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<v Speaker 1>and five pounds, enough money for McGonagall to visit London.

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<v Speaker 1>He had hoped to meet with one or two of

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<v Speaker 1>London's most celebrated actors, but had no more luck there

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<v Speaker 1>than at Balmoral. Later, McGonagall ventured to New York, a

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<v Speaker 1>city he honored indistinctive style.

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<v Speaker 3>As for Brooklyn Bridge, it's a very great height and

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<v Speaker 3>fills the stranger's heart with wonder at first sight, and

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<v Speaker 3>with all its loftiness, I venture to say it cannot

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<v Speaker 3>surpass the new railway bridge of the Silvery Tay.

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<v Speaker 1>William McGonagall did not succeed in selling his poems in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, so returned to Scotland. He was cheered to

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<v Speaker 1>receive a letter from the poet Laureate of Burma, writing

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of Burma's King t boor Mad King McGonagall

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<v Speaker 1>Topaz McGonagall Knight of the white Elephant of Burma. McGonagall

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<v Speaker 1>accepted the honor and wore his medal, a silver elephant,

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<v Speaker 1>with pride. If he ever feared that this letter was

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<v Speaker 1>as fraudulent as the others, he shared no doubts. McGonagall

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<v Speaker 1>spent his final years giving public performances in Perth, Glasgow

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<v Speaker 1>and Edinburgh, where the main attraction appeared to be the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to hurl abuse and worse at the aspiring poet laureate.

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall would dash about the stage excitedly enacting the action

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<v Speaker 1>as he gave dramatic recitals of his war poems, clad

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<v Speaker 1>in a kilt and brandishing a claim or with perilous enthusiasm.

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<v Speaker 1>More useful was his small round shield with which he

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<v Speaker 1>could parry incoming eggs and cabbages. William McGonagall died in

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<v Speaker 1>poverty on the twenty ninth of September nineteen oh two.

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<v Speaker 1>He was seventy two years old or seventy seven. He

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<v Speaker 1>was buried in a pauper's grave, having practiced the art

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<v Speaker 1>of poetry for twenty five years, and having been mocked

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<v Speaker 1>for every one of them. The death certificate misspells his

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<v Speaker 1>name Emil Zola died on the same day, as it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Zola a fine writer, he was no William McGonagall. Cautionary

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<v Speaker 1>tales will return after the break. The poetry critics argue

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<v Speaker 1>that McGonagall has an important lesson to teach us. He

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<v Speaker 1>is the perfect example of how not to write poetry.

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<v Speaker 1>If you must read him, be sure to do the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite of whatever he does. Joseph Salaimy, an award winning poet, complains,

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<v Speaker 1>I know far too many persons who share some of

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<v Speaker 1>mcgonagall's faults. Can we at least resolve that we will

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<v Speaker 1>not commit the poetic crimes that McGonagall committed. We stop

0:27:09.836 --> 0:27:14.636
<v Speaker 1>with the humdrum plainness, the vapid statement, the dull diction,

0:27:14.916 --> 0:27:20.196
<v Speaker 1>the crappy meter, the tedious length, the triviality, the commonplace thoughts,

0:27:20.276 --> 0:27:25.476
<v Speaker 1>and the cliched perceptions. Dr Gerard Carruthers, an expert in

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<v Speaker 1>Scottish literature, agrees there is something rather cruel about us

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<v Speaker 1>still reprinting and republishing McGonagall. He told the BBC it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for us to close the book on McGonagall once

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<v Speaker 1>and for all. But that feels so narrow minded. I

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<v Speaker 1>draw a different lesson. We shouldn't complain about a man

0:27:48.716 --> 0:27:52.916
<v Speaker 1>who wrote bad poetry. We should celebrate a man who

0:27:52.916 --> 0:27:56.396
<v Speaker 1>wrote poetry. Of course, the poems are bad, but most

0:27:56.436 --> 0:28:01.476
<v Speaker 1>poems are bad. Most acts of human creativity are fairly incompetent.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of us can't write novels, not that anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>would pay to read. Most of us can't draw or

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<v Speaker 1>paint anything that anyone else would pay to look. Most

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<v Speaker 1>of us can't act. We can't sing, We can't dance.

0:28:13.396 --> 0:28:19.796
<v Speaker 1>Who cares dance and sing? Anyway? I think we're prone

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<v Speaker 1>to making a sad mistake. When we think about creative acts,

0:28:24.036 --> 0:28:27.876
<v Speaker 1>we instinctively set the benchmark at an absurdly high level.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been spoiled, perhaps because at the touch of a button,

0:28:32.756 --> 0:28:36.116
<v Speaker 1>we can listen to Glenn Gould playing Johann Sebastian Bach.

0:28:36.676 --> 0:28:40.716
<v Speaker 1>We can watch Ian McKellen and Judy Dench performing Shakespeare.

0:28:41.076 --> 0:28:43.356
<v Speaker 1>We can read a novel by Austin, or watch a

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<v Speaker 1>film by Coppola, or gaze at an interior by Vermere.

0:28:48.876 --> 0:28:52.996
<v Speaker 1>Not only has modern technology made these wonders possible, but

0:28:53.076 --> 0:28:59.276
<v Speaker 1>modern technology also makes more humdrum creative acts economically worthless.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody is going to pay me to perform bark or

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<v Speaker 1>paint a watercolor. But I still play the piano from

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<v Speaker 1>time to time, and very occasionally I pick up a

0:29:08.796 --> 0:29:12.036
<v Speaker 1>pencil in a sketch book. It doesn't matter if there's

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<v Speaker 1>no economic value in the result. There's personal value for

0:29:16.676 --> 0:29:21.476
<v Speaker 1>me in the process of trying to express myself. That

0:29:21.596 --> 0:29:25.196
<v Speaker 1>might seem obvious, but it's easy to forget. In debates

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<v Speaker 1>about the rise of generative AI, people worry about the

0:29:29.236 --> 0:29:33.916
<v Speaker 1>death of human creativity. But I don't think generative AI

0:29:34.076 --> 0:29:36.836
<v Speaker 1>is more of a threat to human creativity than the

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<v Speaker 1>camera or the record player. It changes the economics, to

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<v Speaker 1>be sure, McGonagall lost his job as a weaver because

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<v Speaker 1>of machine looms, so he would have understood all about

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<v Speaker 1>losing work to a machine. But while a new technology

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<v Speaker 1>changes who might be paid for creative work, and what

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<v Speaker 1>sort of creative work they might be paid for, and

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<v Speaker 1>how much they might be paid for it, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make creative work impossible. All of us are free to

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<v Speaker 1>sit down in front of a piano or an easel

0:30:10.596 --> 0:30:14.076
<v Speaker 1>and try to create something beautiful. And while it's nice

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<v Speaker 1>to succeed, it's more important to try. As we grow

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<v Speaker 1>from children into adults, we often express our creativity less.

0:30:26.396 --> 0:30:29.676
<v Speaker 1>It might be because we're afraid of failure, which is

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<v Speaker 1>another thing to admire about McGonagall. He wasn't afraid of

0:30:33.796 --> 0:30:38.116
<v Speaker 1>creative failure. In fact, he wouldn't recognize creative failure if

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<v Speaker 1>it hurled an egg at him. That's one way to

0:30:41.116 --> 0:30:44.636
<v Speaker 1>look at McGonagall anyway, as a man who was always

0:30:44.716 --> 0:30:50.436
<v Speaker 1>willing to express his inner creativity. But that's not actually

0:30:50.476 --> 0:30:54.476
<v Speaker 1>the way I see him. I don't think William McGonagall

0:30:54.636 --> 0:30:58.996
<v Speaker 1>was admirable because he gave poetry a try. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he was a genius. You've perhaps heard the story about

0:31:07.316 --> 0:31:10.756
<v Speaker 1>the man who goes to a doctor. He feels depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>The world seems so frightening and bleak. Don't worry, says

0:31:16.236 --> 0:31:20.516
<v Speaker 1>the doctor. The great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight.

0:31:20.796 --> 0:31:24.036
<v Speaker 1>Go and see him perform. That'll cheer you up. The

0:31:24.116 --> 0:31:32.956
<v Speaker 1>man starts to sob, But doctor, I am Pagliacci. It's

0:31:32.996 --> 0:31:37.356
<v Speaker 1>a story that's been retold and remixed countless times. So

0:31:37.676 --> 0:31:44.116
<v Speaker 1>here's another remix. What if William McGonagall isn't the pompous, talentless,

0:31:44.196 --> 0:31:48.516
<v Speaker 1>sad victim of bullies that he seems to be. What

0:31:48.596 --> 0:31:53.756
<v Speaker 1>if William McGonagall is the most brilliant clown who ever lived?

0:31:54.356 --> 0:31:58.596
<v Speaker 1>And what if Unlike Palliaci, whose despair became clear when

0:31:58.636 --> 0:32:02.796
<v Speaker 1>he took off the mask, McGonagall never removed his mask,

0:32:03.436 --> 0:32:09.316
<v Speaker 1>because underneath it he was the one laughing harder than anyone.

0:32:11.836 --> 0:32:15.356
<v Speaker 1>Think back to that appearance as Macbeth, in which McGonagall

0:32:15.516 --> 0:32:18.516
<v Speaker 1>refused to lie down and die and wrestled with the

0:32:18.556 --> 0:32:23.396
<v Speaker 1>infuriated actor playing McDuff. It's hard to think of a

0:32:23.436 --> 0:32:27.636
<v Speaker 1>funnier scene in the history of theater. Was it really

0:32:27.756 --> 0:32:32.356
<v Speaker 1>just mcgonagall's arrogance and stupidity, or did he know full

0:32:32.396 --> 0:32:36.876
<v Speaker 1>well that he was putting on a show. When the

0:32:36.956 --> 0:32:41.316
<v Speaker 1>reviewer said that McGonagall had decided to astonish the gods,

0:32:41.876 --> 0:32:46.276
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't referring to some pagan pantheon. The gods is

0:32:46.436 --> 0:32:50.996
<v Speaker 1>theater speak for the cheap seats. McGonagall was playing to

0:32:51.076 --> 0:32:55.996
<v Speaker 1>the crowd, and specifically to the poorest theater goers. Of all,

0:32:56.796 --> 0:33:00.436
<v Speaker 1>his friends from the workshop had all contributed to get

0:33:00.516 --> 0:33:04.036
<v Speaker 1>him on stage in the first place, and they loved

0:33:04.076 --> 0:33:09.356
<v Speaker 1>what they saw. McGonagall certainly gave you a show, And

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<v Speaker 1>once you read mcgonagall's poetry not as an exhibit of

0:33:13.316 --> 0:33:18.716
<v Speaker 1>utter incompetence, but as a deliberate, sly joke. You quickly

0:33:18.756 --> 0:33:23.316
<v Speaker 1>detect hints of mischief. The one poem, an Ode to

0:33:23.356 --> 0:33:25.236
<v Speaker 1>the Moon, begins.

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<v Speaker 3>Beautiful Moon, with thy silvery light. Thou seemest most charming

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<v Speaker 3>to my sight. As I gaze upon thee and the

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<v Speaker 3>sky so high, A tear of joy does moisten mine eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the usual clumsy cliche. No, mcgonagall's winking at us.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows what we do in the dark. The next

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<v Speaker 1>verses celebrate the way that the moon provides light for

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<v Speaker 1>the fox to steal a goose from the farmyard and

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<v Speaker 1>the poacher to set his snares.

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<v Speaker 3>And Beautiful Moon with thy silvery light, the cheerest the

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<v Speaker 3>lovers in the night, as they walk through the shady

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<v Speaker 3>groves alone, making love to each other before they go home.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, we're going to believe that William McGonagall was only

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally funny. McGonagall is best known today for his poem

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<v Speaker 1>about the tay Bridge disaster, but in an early poem

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<v Speaker 1>he also describes the tay Bridge when it was first.

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<v Speaker 3>Built, beautiful railway bridge of the silvery tea, the longest

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<v Speaker 3>of the present day that has ever crossed, or a

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<v Speaker 3>tidal river stream, most gigantic to be seen nearby Dundee

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<v Speaker 3>and the Magdalen Green.

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<v Speaker 1>At nearly two miles in length. It was an engineering miracle,

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<v Speaker 1>but McGonagall was a Dundee local, and like any local,

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<v Speaker 1>he would have known that the high girders of the

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<v Speaker 1>central bridge had already been blown down once during construction. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>why on earth includes this.

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<v Speaker 3>Verse beautiful railway bridge of the Silvery Tay. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>that God will protect all passengers by night and by day,

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<v Speaker 3>and that no accident will befall them while crossing the

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<v Speaker 3>bridge of the Silvery Tay, for that would be most

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<v Speaker 3>awful to be seen near by Dundee and the Magdalen Green.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't the work of an idiot. It's the work

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<v Speaker 1>of an old school medieval fool, a court jester using

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<v Speaker 1>humor to speak truth to power. Two years later, the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge was down and dozens of people were dead. After

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster at a shipyard which killed thirty eight people,

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<v Speaker 1>McGonagall composed a long lament, including praise for.

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<v Speaker 3>One thousand pounds from the directors of the Thames ironworks

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<v Speaker 3>and shipbuilding company, which I hope will help to fill

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<v Speaker 3>the bereaved one's heart with glee.

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<v Speaker 1>Idiot or court jester, you be the judge. As for

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<v Speaker 1>those prank letters from Queen Victoria's secretary, from dion Busico,

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<v Speaker 1>from the King of Burma, maybe they were hoaxes on McGonagall.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there were hoaxes by McGonagall on the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 1>They certainly helped to shape the legend. For a man

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<v Speaker 1>almost universally viewed as a failure, McGonagall knew how to

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<v Speaker 1>draw a crowd. When a statue of Scotland's greatest poet,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Burns, was unveiled in Dundee, McGonagall was kept away

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<v Speaker 1>from the occasion by police to avoid a disturbance of

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<v Speaker 1>the peace. His Dundee performances so often ended in a

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<v Speaker 1>near riot that he was eventually banned from giving any

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<v Speaker 1>more recitals in the town. No wonder he died in poverty.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd been making fifteen shillings a night, the equivalent of

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<v Speaker 1>a week's wages for an ordinary laborer. Not so bad

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<v Speaker 1>for a man who lost his trade because of the

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<v Speaker 1>March of the machines. His downfall wasn't because his poems

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<v Speaker 1>were terrible. It was because his clowning performances were too

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<v Speaker 1>riotously successful to be allowed to continue. He died in poverty,

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<v Speaker 1>not because he was bad, but because he was just

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<v Speaker 1>too good. We'll never know what William McGonagall was really

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<v Speaker 1>thinking as he took to the stage each night. Was

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<v Speaker 1>he oblivious, as he seems to be, a man with

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<v Speaker 1>skin so thick that neither insults nor insights ever got through.

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<v Speaker 1>Or was he far more tragic than the mythic figure

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<v Speaker 1>of Palliaci, the clown, proud of his poems but knowingly

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<v Speaker 1>subjecting himself to nightly humiliation because there was no other

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<v Speaker 1>way to put food on the table. Or was the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing a comic master stroke. Did he never take

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<v Speaker 1>off the mask? Or did he never put it on

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. But while we can't read his mind,

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<v Speaker 1>we can read his poems, and they've brought pleasure to

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<v Speaker 1>countless people. A few years ago, an Edinburgh auction house

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<v Speaker 1>put up for sale a collection of first editions of

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter books, signed by the author JK. Rowling, who

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, named Professor Minerva McGonagall in honor of

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<v Speaker 1>the man she described as the worst poet in British history.

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<v Speaker 1>The books went for a handsome enough price, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the same auction a rather higher sum was

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<v Speaker 1>paid for a different literary gem, thirty five poems by

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<v Speaker 1>William McGonagall, some of them signed by the great man

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<v Speaker 1>himself JK. Rowling. If Commercial's success is the mark of

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<v Speaker 1>a great artist, then she's one of the best. But

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<v Speaker 1>she's no William McGonagall. He will be remembered for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time. For a full list of our sources,

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<v Speaker 1>see the show notes at Timharford dot com. Cautionary Tales

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<v Speaker 1>is written by me Tim Harford with Andrew Wright, Alice

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<v Speaker 1>Fines and Ryan Dilly. It's produced by Georgia Mills and

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<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Rust. The sound design and original music are the

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<v Speaker 1>work of Pascal Wise. Additional sound design is by Carlos

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<v Speaker 1>San Juan at Brain Audio. Bend A. Dafhaffrey edited the scripts.

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