1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Bucky here with you and Bucky Today, we have a 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: chance to visit with a guy I've known for a 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: long time. I think fifteen years I've known Melt Tucker, 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: and we've got a chance to to visit with him 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: at at media days over the years. And uh, I 8 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: think people are gonna enjoy our conversation with coach Tucker today. Yeah, 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: he's one of the best coaches in football, and he 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: has a unique background, a guy who has really been 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: in both worlds, the NFRAL world and the college football world, 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: and so being able to pick his brain to talk 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: about building a program, the differences between the pro and 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: the college game, and just some of the fun things 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: that you like to ask an interview. Yeah, he's he's 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: the best. I did a little of media thing with 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: him last week and I wore my app State shirt. 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: So as soon as it's time of camera on and 19 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: here he has a new head coach at Michigan State, 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: and I've learned my app State shirt it was well received, 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: let's just put it that way. It was a lot 22 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: of WLD have received. It would have been an armor 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Michigan I can promise you that. But he's the best. 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: He's a great dude, and he's look he's he's got 25 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: a challenge in front him, as you're gonna hear during 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: this interview when you look at what's going on in 27 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: the country, what's going on in the world. UM as 28 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: a head coach, as a leader of young men, UM, 29 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: I think he's the right guy at the right time 30 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: there for Michigan State. And I think you guys are 31 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: gonna enjoy our conversation we had with melt Tucker. So 32 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: here you go. Well bluck. He could not be more 33 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: excited to have our old friend with us right now. 34 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: And that's Michigan State's new head coach, melt Tucker joining us. Coach. 35 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing a great how doing? We're 36 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: doing awesome? Man. It's it's great to be back and 37 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: visit with you. How to blast, hanging out with you 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: on your on your i G Live last week. They're 39 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: doing a fantastic job social media wise getting after it, coach. 40 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: But we talked about it on there. I want I 41 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: want to just get a chance for you to share 42 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: with our audience as well, just kind of the challenges 43 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: of of what you've been going through as a leader 44 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: of so many young men, uh, during such difficult Alton 45 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and trying times we find ourselves in right now. Yeah, 46 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a very uh, it's a very important 47 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: time in our country right now. And you've got the 48 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen which has been a huge challenge for us. 49 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: I think our our staff has tallet kind of a 50 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: very well, you know, communication is just so important. Uh, 51 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: and with the with the distance and not being able 52 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: to see guys and touch them and be with them, 53 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, face to face and just find ways to 54 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: you so soon, and all the technology to connect with 55 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: our guys have been so important. And then you know, 56 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: obviously with some of the social issues and the racial 57 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: injustice issues and George Floyd, Uh, we've been you know, 58 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: having to connect with our players and talking communicated and 59 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: so it's it's been it's been a quiet challenge, but 60 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: but we're up to it, you know, coaching and thinking 61 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: about those issues. It appears now that football players college 62 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: football players now are willing to kind of voice their 63 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: concerns and really put their opinion out there, whether it's 64 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: about their coaches or the issues. As a leader, how 65 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: do you connect with them and kind of show them 66 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: how to use their voices responsibly. Yeah, well, the number 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: one thing is communication, and you know, I'll talk to 68 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: about communication, education and resources, and I encourage them to 69 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: use their voice. And I told them, uh that I'm 70 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: going to support them in any way that I can. 71 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: And a big part of it is is, uh, you know, 72 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: educating our players and make sure that they have the 73 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: resource that's available to them so that they can speak 74 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: passionately about the issues that they that they care about. 75 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: And so we're helping them with that. But I think 76 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: the players they really want to know where do you 77 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: stand as a coach. That's what they really want to know. 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: And so, uh, I let the players know how how 79 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: I felt, and we talked about it, and it's really 80 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: it's really impossible to lead if the players I don't 81 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: know where you're staying. So we've done that, and it's 82 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: a it's a daily process. And I'm told him, it's 83 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: not something that's gonna be Um, something's gonna happen overnight. 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: It's gonna take some time, but you know, we're gonna 85 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: take it one one. We're gonna take it one day 86 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: at a time, and we're gonna we're gonna shoot the 87 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: way at it. Coach, I know, we talked about this 88 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: with you your previous stop, and we've had a chance 89 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: to talk about this with a lot of coaches. Uh, 90 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: and stepping into a new environment and and taking over 91 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: a program, and you as well as others, have talked 92 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: about the importance of kind of having that open door 93 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: policy where you're gonna have players come into your office 94 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: and feel free to come in there talk to you 95 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: about anything, you know, football related, life related. When you're separated. 96 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, I know you've got the guys back in 97 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: the building now, but for a long time during all 98 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: this you guys are separated physically. How how are you 99 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: able to maintain kind of that that connection with these 100 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: guys individually when it's they can't just walk down the 101 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: hallway and pop in your office. Yeah, it's really tough. 102 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: And and you know, I use I use my staff 103 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: and staff. We've done a great job with the our 104 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: zoom calls and it hasn't just been a and knows 105 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: now our coaches have really done a great job just 106 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: getting to our players personally. Uh. You know, goal setting, 107 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: it's been a big part of what we're doing. And 108 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: when you talk about goals and dreams, you know, it 109 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: becomes personal. And you know the players, you know, they 110 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: getting other coaches, you get some other players, and it's 111 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: been a it's been a daily Uh, it's been a 112 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: daily process. I mean since the offset of the COVID 113 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: and the shotdown and we've been home and we've met 114 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: with our players. Uh, you know, three days a week 115 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: and sometimes quarter as a week on zoom talking football, 116 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: but also talking about life and so Uh, those are 117 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: things that we've done to connect with our players. Coach. 118 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: Whenever a new coach comes, it takes over a program. 119 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: It's all about the rebuild, the turnaround. Um, how do 120 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: you establish some of the core principles that you believe 121 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: in in establishing the culture when you are dealing with 122 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: uh COVID and all the other things, like how do 123 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: you still put those plans uh in process? How do 124 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: you putting together? Yes, it's a commune okay. In the 125 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: vision you know, uh, what we want to be as 126 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: a program, uh that we have to live it, you 127 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: know every day as a coaching staff, and we lead 128 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: that way and our players even though they don't see 129 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: a space to place, they can see it, uh on zoom. 130 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: They can tell if you're authentic. They can tell that 131 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: if you care about them or not. Um and and 132 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: and what we want to be about as a program 133 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: in terms of planting, being hard working, plant with toughness, 134 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, being accountable, having a culture of discipline. Uh, 135 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, talking about that every day and uh, you know, 136 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: just those are things that the players they can stay 137 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: consense that they can feel that and and it doesn't change. 138 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: And when it's a consistent message coming from from the 139 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: head coach and each each position coach and coordinator, then 140 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: the players know this is what it's going to be, 141 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: this is what it is, and then they and then 142 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: they start to buy in. And that's where we are 143 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: right now. Coach, I'd be curious, you know, haven't spent 144 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: so much time in different leagues. You know, you have 145 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: a lot of time there in the sec You've been 146 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve. Now you're back in the Big 147 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: ten where you have a lot of history there. How 148 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: different is college football regionally? You've got great experience with it. 149 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: I know we're all under one umbrella, but just how 150 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: different is it when you go from one region to another. Yeah, 151 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: there is, there's a different field, you know, the Big 152 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: ten's SEC to the Pack twelve. Uh, and in the 153 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: NFL is it does go a little bit different. But 154 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's steel ball, you know. 155 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: And uh, and that's that's a great thing about it. 156 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: Football is a great game. It's the ultimate team sport. 157 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's a privilege and an hour 158 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: to be able to be in a position like a 159 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: skip and lead these men in this game, be able 160 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: to have a have a career in coaching. It's a 161 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: very honorable profession. Um. I feel very blessed to be here, 162 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: um in this position. But uh, you know, whether it's SEC, 163 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: Pack twelve and I felt Big ten, football is a 164 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: great game. You know. Coach, I want to go back 165 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: to your your playing days because you were coached and 166 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: influenced by one of the best coaches to ever doing 167 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: in college football and Barry elvaest what are some of 168 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: the things that you were able to learn from what 169 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: coach Alvarez did at Wisconsin when you guys turned that 170 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: program around to help you be able to develop your 171 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: own philosophy or your own way of doing things as 172 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: you're sitting there at Michigan State. Yeah, Coach Arrest is 173 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: a great coach. He is a great manage, a great leader. 174 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: My freshmanyer, we were one and ten, five and six, 175 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: five and six and Rose Bowl champs and UH, Coach 176 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: Arrest was unwavering. He would always talk to us about 177 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: never flesh, you will never blak you know. He was 178 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: just stauntily committed to a vision of building a championship 179 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: program through hustle, advert toughness, mental toughness, physical toughness, team unselfishness, 180 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, day in day out, and he never labor. 181 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: And his assistant coaches and never labor. And through recruiting, 182 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: through recruiting, UM, he was able to build that program 183 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: with those core voutis and principles that we all can 184 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: that we all can understand, and eventually we were able 185 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: to get he was able to get that program turn around. 186 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: And I learned a great deal from him, UH in 187 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: that regard coach. You learn a lot from coach overs 188 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: there at the college level. You mentioned a little bit 189 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: earlier about your time in the NFL, and that's how 190 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: we got to know each other there with the Cleveland Browns. 191 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: But when you when you look at your NFL experience, 192 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've ever talked about this, but 193 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm curious in terms of volume with what 194 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: you can put in. And you did it on the 195 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball, but we can talk about 196 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: offense as well. What's the difference in volume that you 197 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: can give a professional football player where it's his job 198 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: and the hours are a lot more friendly versus what 199 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: you can give a college kid who you might you know, 200 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: have to get on the field as an eighteen year old. Yeah, 201 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's tough. You gotta be careful how 202 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: much you give these guys the college level, because obviously 203 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: they've got school. You got the twenty are rule. You know, 204 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: there's a you just don't have as much time. There's 205 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 1: a lot less meeting time compared to the NFL. But um, 206 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, we've been able to be very comprehensive in 207 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: our schemes. UM at Alabama, at Georgia Colorado, we're able 208 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: to get a lot of stuff in the teaching and 209 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: the teaching coaching is teaching and teaching progressions and being 210 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: very clear and being very deliberate um and just that 211 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: that is a skill and the better the better, and 212 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: you can teach them more, organize that you are, the 213 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: way you deliver the information. You know, the more the 214 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: more efficient you are doing those things, the more you 215 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: can put in and and and it's a no saying 216 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: it's not what it's not. What you know as a 217 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: coach is what the players know, and it's what they 218 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: can execute in the four quarter when you're tired. And 219 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: so you know, we've been able to do quite quite 220 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: a bit, but there is there is a difference, and 221 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: that's a huge, huge challenge in college football coach. One 222 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: of the challenges between when you flow from both leagues, 223 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: the NFL and college. In the NFL you build your 224 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: team through the draft and free agency, and college it's 225 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: all about recruiting. And so DJ and I have been 226 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: in these draft rooms where we said these prototypes and things. 227 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: When it comes to recruiting, how much of it is 228 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: setting a standard for the prototypes that you want physically, 229 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: but also the core characteristics that you want from an 230 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: intangible standpoint, very similar to the NFL. You know, we 231 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: have uh prototypes that we're looking for at each position 232 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: and and We're trying to stick to that the best 233 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: we can. And but the host is the number one 234 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: thing that we're looking for as as character, you know, 235 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: high character, got We're not recruiting any We're not recruiting 236 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: person can't play. We're not a recruiting person that that 237 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: don't have great out butt of ability. What Robert meez 238 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: road is what type of people are you bringing into 239 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: your program? And that's where it starts, and then hight 240 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: ways speed for position, we're fairly strict on that. They're 241 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: just saying that if you if you if you make it, 242 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: if you take exceptions, if you sign exceptions, you will 243 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: have a team full of exceptions. And so once we 244 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: said our criteria what we're looking for in a player 245 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: character wise and obviously physically, we do a pretty good 246 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: job sticking to that. Coach, I want to talk about 247 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: the quarterback position, and we're recruiting and looking for the 248 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: most important position on your football team. I'd love to 249 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: know kind of what the what the makeup as the 250 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: individual that you prefer, what that looks like, that framework, 251 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: and then also the skill set that they possess, because 252 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: I think and you've seen it over your coaching time, 253 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: we've kind of gone from distributor quarterbacks to playmaking quarterbacks. UM, 254 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: And I'd love to just know what you're looking for 255 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: at the position. Yeah, at the quarterback position. And I 256 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: think the main the number one thing. Your quarterback has 257 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: to be your number one competitor on your football team 258 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. And when you the 259 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: best quarterbacks that I've coached against have been that. You 260 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: see the best quarterbacks, and in the NFL, you see 261 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: that they are the number one competitor. Same thing Coast Football. 262 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: The best teams with great quarterbacks, those guys compete. You know. Obviously, UM, 263 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: leadership is huge, Uh, guys that are unselfish, guys that 264 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 1: are that love football, Guys that are kind of general mentality. 265 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: And in terms and physically, accuracy is very important. You 266 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: know a lot of people talk about arm strength and 267 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: that's huge, but accuracy in the passing in its huge. 268 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: And just like you're a little too, you know, you 269 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: want to have a guy that can make place with 270 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: his legs, you know obviously, Uh, you know people mentioned 271 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: dual threat. UM. You know, you want guys that can 272 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: be accurate passions in the pocket and make all the 273 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: throws and be able to win outside the number and 274 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: be able to do make the touch throws and intermediate 275 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: and deep bass all that. Um, you have to better 276 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: do that. But if a guy can play breaks down, 277 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: if a guy can extend plays, he can make plays 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: with his leg and he can with his legs, if 279 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: he can move the stix, uh with his legs? Where yeah, 280 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: yeah you can. If you can, if you can do that, 281 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: if you can do this move, if you can move 282 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: the sticks, you know, thank you his legs and then 283 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: you then then you got something. You know, coach, haven't 284 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: haven't been at both levels and haven't been in that 285 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: the SEC where from a scouting standpoint, we always talked 286 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: about that being the premier conference, the Big Ten, and 287 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: the Pact. We are right there after that. When you 288 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: see how the game looks on Saturday, and then when 289 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: you cast your eyes to Sunday, it looks like it's 290 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: closely matching. What are you surprised havn't been in the 291 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: league that you're seeing so many NFL teams kind of 292 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: welcome some of the things that we're seeing in the 293 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: college game. Yeah, you know, I'm not surprised. I think 294 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: coaches realize that. Um, you have to do what your 295 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: what your players can do. And if you if you 296 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: get a great player uh out of the college ranks 297 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: and you know he's a guy that's going to be 298 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: a difference maker for for you, then you have to 299 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: figure out what he what he does best, and then 300 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: you have to implement implement those things. And one thing 301 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: the NFL is the coaches are they're great at it's 302 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: a copycat league and they're not just copy and other 303 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: teams in the NFL, but they're also they're just they're 304 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: just scouring and just studying college tape and try to 305 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: find a winning edge and so and in college coaches 306 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: do that as well in terms of the NFL. So 307 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: you get a lot of sharing of ideas, you know, 308 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: best practices, find out what works. And at the end 309 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: of the day, you know, coaches want to win and 310 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: the day and they really don't care what it looks 311 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: like and if it's if it's empty and throwing the 312 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: wall all over a lot off. It's three yeards in 313 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the college US and twenty two personnelity. That's what it is. 314 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: Whatever's working, and it's whatever your players can do. Coach 315 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: along that along that line, I would be curious to 316 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: just know when you were at Alabama, we or at 317 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Georgia and you guys are seeing all these athletic quarterbacks 318 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: and just being around nick Um and also with Kirby 319 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: and yourself that we're NFL teams coming to you guys 320 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: to try and figure out how to deal with some 321 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: of these things. As they were making their way to 322 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: the NFL. There's no doubt that there was a lot 323 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of NFL coaches call it and say, hey, 324 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: what's what's what's going on with this RPM bus? Just 325 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: how do you stop you know reason r p O. 326 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: That's that you know, and so uh in that regard 327 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: you it kind of a kind of RPL game kind 328 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: of trickled to the NFL, you know, and so um, 329 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of discussions with with with NFL 330 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: coordinators and and and coaches about how do you stop 331 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback grind game? How do you deal with their 332 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: with the r p os And they don't necessarily like 333 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: something answers that you get. But when you're turning on 334 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: the NFL take that next season, you see that there 335 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: doing um what you talked about, you know, coach there, 336 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: there there are a lot of NFL coaches who have 337 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: aspirations of being a head coach. You had an interesting 338 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: journey because you were a coordinator in the NFL. You 339 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: dropped down to the collegiate level, you're coordinator, and you 340 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: made your way to being a head coach. For you, 341 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: was it more important to be a head coach regardless 342 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: of level or were you stuck on uh, just being like, 343 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: I want to get back to the NFL. Your journey 344 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: is unique, so I kind of want to just expand 345 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: on that, Like what made you go back down to 346 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: college to determine it? That is where you wanted to 347 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: kind of take your path to be a head coach. Yeah, 348 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: that's a great question. When I interviewed for the Wisconsin 349 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: job in two thousand twelve, I was I put my 350 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: book together, and I had an ncone book. I didn't 351 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: have a cause book when I put the book. When 352 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: I was putting the book together, UM, I really realized, 353 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: I said, I've been doing this for a long time, 354 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: and I have so much information. I have so much knowledge, 355 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: I have so much experience. UM, I need to at 356 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: some point, I need to go back to college and 357 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: pour into these young people and really give back to 358 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: the younger guys, the seventeen eighteen ninety year old kids, uh, 359 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: and just give them all of the information that that 360 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: I learned over the years. I mean ten years in 361 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: the NFL. That that's a long time, and just all 362 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: of those experiences. And that's really why I came back 363 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: to college. I wanted to work with the young players. 364 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: I wanted to give back. I feel like I can 365 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: make more of an impact with the younger players. I 366 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: had great relationships with with my players in the NFL, 367 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: but it's not quite the same as in college. When 368 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: you're recruiting guys when they're sophomore juniors in high school. 369 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: You know their parents and grandma, you know, high school coach, 370 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: and you you you find them, you're recruiting, you sign them, 371 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: you're coach them, and you graduate them. You know, and 372 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: hopefully that you you you usher me into the usual 373 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: him into the draft. And so that's where I found 374 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: that my passion was. And so when I in two thousand, 375 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: after the two thousand and fourteen season, I had an 376 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: opportunity after I left the Barras to go to go 377 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: to Alabama again with Nick and and and uh and 378 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: get back into the college game and so, um, that's 379 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: really where where? How that happened? And being a head 380 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: coach in college as opposed to being a head coach 381 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL, to me, that was not really the 382 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: main driving the factor. I mean, it was really just 383 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to coach. I 384 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: just want to get back coach. As we finish up here, 385 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: You've been very genterious with your time. I have a 386 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: Michigan State checklist here of people that you need to 387 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: have had a conversation with the Michigan State so and 388 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: go through him and tell me if this conversation has 389 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: taken place yet. Okay, we gotta start with Zo. Have 390 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: have you had any business with coaches? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 391 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: I talked that the coaches all the time. Actually, he 392 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: lives around the corner from me. I look around the 393 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: corner from him now here in these times him man, 394 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: you know you know coaches, O man, he's the best 395 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: and he loved football. As a matter of fact, he 396 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: choked with me and he was upset that I didn't 397 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: hire him as my def supporting it or at least 398 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: they give him a love. The intensity I've been with you, coach, 399 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: I know your intensity. I think ISO can take your 400 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: intensity and maybe taking up another notch. I like that 401 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: idea again, Iszo there is a d C not a 402 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: bad idea. He can get it done. I'm sure. All right, 403 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: let's all right, so you checked off the Iszo box. 404 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: How about Magic? Have you had a chance to visit 405 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: with Magic at all? I have? I have. I talked 406 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: to him one. I think it was a week and 407 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: a half ago. We had a really good conversation. I 408 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: hope to see him here in his Lansing in the 409 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: next couple of days. Magic. That was my first time 410 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: I ever talking to Magic, and I felt like I 411 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: knew him my whole life. He's that type of guy. 412 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: That's so. That's so a two for two. That's awesome. 413 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: All right. Now we get into the nitty gritty here, 414 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: Matteine Cleaves. Have you talked with Matteine Cleaves yet? I'm 415 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: talked to Cleves? Man, I talked to Cleve. Come on, 416 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: you're gold. He talked to Cleves was here as a 417 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: player when I was here at the g A at 418 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: Michigan State at nineties seven, and so I went to 419 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: a basketball game. They had a REU and I wore 420 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: a Cleaves jersey. You know Cleans was my guys, you're 421 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: three for three. This is fantastic. All right, now let's 422 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: go let's go multi sports here. How about Kirk Gibson? 423 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: I have not yet. Okay, there we go. There we 424 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: go three before Yeah, I have that number. And I 425 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: have a good friend of mine who lives down the road, 426 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: is really good friends with him, and he set up 427 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: a golf day with Givebing. So holy, that's a good idea. 428 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: I need to call give me as soon as we 429 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: get off this deal here. Yeah, there you go. That's 430 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: the last box you've got to check. Then you're like 431 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: Michigan state official here. Uh, that is fantastic, Bucky. Anything 432 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: else you want to hit? Coach'll before we get out 433 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: of here. No. The only thing that I'm curious about, Coach, 434 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: what are those uniforms and helmet's going to look like 435 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: when when you guys finally run out. Are we doing 436 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: anything different? Are we changing? Are we going back old school? 437 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. As a guy who used to watch 438 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: Andre Rising, I'm just trying to figure out what is 439 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: it going to look like when it's God white, go green? Yeah, 440 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: well we'll just have to wait and see, man. I know, 441 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: I've can interact with with the fans on social media, man, 442 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: and they have a lot of requests and some things 443 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: they want to see. And so I'm I'm listening to 444 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: the fans and and uh, and we'll just have to 445 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: wait and see how it goes. Hopefully when the time 446 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: was right in the safe we get back out there, 447 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: we'll look pretty good in that. And then green and white. Oh, 448 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing those uniforms. By the way, coach, 449 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: I can't believe I forgot one Garvey? What about Garvey? 450 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: We had any talk with Steve Garvey? I have not 451 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: talked to Steve Garvey. It's another one. Present is going 452 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: down no more. You can't ask question going to the 453 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: way you got some bad coaching? Yeah, oh nice, nice, Okay, see, 454 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: we'll give you a bonus point there for rising. Hey, 455 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: co we are you know, like we're friends first of all, 456 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: but we're also fans. We're rooting for you. We hope 457 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: that you just have an unbelievable montest success there at 458 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: Michigan State. And I know the players they're very fortunate 459 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: to have a leader like you, uh to guide them 460 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: through their college experience. So thank you so much. For 461 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: your time. We appreciate you, appreciate your friendship. Was always 462 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: great to get back with you guys, and let me 463 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: know if you did anything else. Now take care of guys, Bucky. 464 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: I enjoyed that man. Had some fun there at the 465 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: end there with with coach Tucker. But you can just 466 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: tell he's he's going to be a success. He's the 467 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: guy's just wired absolutely the right way to be a 468 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: college football head coach. Absolutely because like his heart is 469 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: in the right place. He wants to get back, he 470 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: wants to help UH the young people. But then he's 471 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: really been influenced and impacted by guys who have been 472 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: extremely successful. When you go down his resume, you look 473 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: at Nick Saban and Kirby Smart playing on the very Alvarez. 474 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: He has everything that you want to have on the resume. 475 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: Now is just taking all those lessons that he's learned 476 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: and putting him in the practice. I think he's doing 477 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: outstanding job in Michigan State. Yeah, I'm hoping we get 478 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: a full college football season and he has a chance 479 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: to UH to really lead this program forward and see 480 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: where they can take it. So big fans of Mel 481 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: Tucker appreciate him giving us some time for the podcast today, 482 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: I do want to encourage everybody to check out the 483 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: TV show and Move the Sticks TV Show Thursdays, six 484 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: pm Eastern time on NFL Network. I'm gonna I'm gonna 485 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: be off this week, Bucky, but you've upgraded. You've got 486 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: the better half of the Chargers broadcast because our buddy 487 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Matt money Smith is gonna step in for me, and 488 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: I know you guys have some big things playing for 489 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: the show. Um, it's gonna be a lot of fun, 490 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: all right, look out for that. That is six pm 491 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: Eastern time Thursday on NFL Network. That's gonna do it 492 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: for us today. I want to thank our buddy David Singer, 493 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: who's the booker who gets us these fantastic guests, including 494 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: UH coach Mel Tucker there from Michigan State. It's a 495 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: big shout out to Singer. I hope you guys enjoyed 496 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: that conversation and we look forward to catching up with 497 00:24:51,320 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: you next time. Right here on, Move the Sticks up 498 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: to Thoughtoutity. We have got goal to love putt