WEBVTT - Meet the So-Called Night Doctors: Chris Baker and Grandison Harris

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda Land Audio in

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<v Speaker 1>partnership with I Heart Radio. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria

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<v Speaker 1>trom Marquis. And before we begin talking about the two

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<v Speaker 1>men highlighted in this episode, Chris Baker and Grandison Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a few important things to talk about first.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry. Chris Baker and Grandison Harris were both

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved men whose work it was to snatch bodies from graves.

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<v Speaker 1>To tell their stories, you're gonna hear some outdated language.

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<v Speaker 1>We have chosen to include certain racial epithets as they

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<v Speaker 1>appear in quoted material, not the one you're probably most

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<v Speaker 1>worried about. Don't worry. We're doing that though, in order

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<v Speaker 1>to honestly represent the bigoted language that was incredibly common

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<v Speaker 1>and accepted at the time. This is, of course, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know anything about it, a difficult period America's history.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's really important to tell the stories of black

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<v Speaker 1>men like Baker and Harris as they live their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we're setting this stage, let's also make sure

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<v Speaker 1>we're on the same historical and constitutional page. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to dive deeply into the history of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States during the time of its Civil War. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be an incredibly enormous and ongoing project, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of resources for that information if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>brush up on it. But there are a few key

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<v Speaker 1>things to know that will help these men's stories come

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<v Speaker 1>to life. The stories of both Chris Baker and Grandison

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<v Speaker 1>Harris take place during the American Civil War, fought between

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<v Speaker 1>April eighteen sixty one and April eighteen sixty five. Actually

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<v Speaker 1>their stories take place a little bit before and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit afterwards as well. Post war, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>Congress made amendments to the United States Constitution to both

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<v Speaker 1>end slavery and to grant citizenship to black people. The

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<v Speaker 1>Thirteenth Amendment, passed by Congress on January thirty first, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five, and ratified on December six that same year,

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<v Speaker 1>abolished slavery within the United States or any place subject

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<v Speaker 1>to their jurisdiction. Congress made several new laws to protect

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<v Speaker 1>former enslaved persons, including the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment

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<v Speaker 1>was passed by Congress on June thirteenth, eighteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>and ratified on July nine, eighteen sixty eight. It was

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<v Speaker 1>intended to grant citizenship and equal civil and legal rights

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<v Speaker 1>to free black people and enslaved persons who were emancipated

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<v Speaker 1>after the Civil War. The Confederate States, defeated in the

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<v Speaker 1>war underwent what was known as reconstruction. That always sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like such a positive word, but this was a very

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<v Speaker 1>turbulent time in the Southern States from the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the war in eighteen sixty five until eighteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 1>This period was intended to have transformed the states politically, socially,

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<v Speaker 1>and economically, but free and newly freed black people found

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<v Speaker 1>themselves instead up against Jim Crow laws and black codes

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<v Speaker 1>that enforced or even legalized racial segregation. These laws, which

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<v Speaker 1>varied from state to state, became well established and lasted

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<v Speaker 1>for almost a hundred years from the post Civil War

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<v Speaker 1>era until around nineteen sixty eight. Their main purpose was

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<v Speaker 1>to marginalize the black American community. Let's name off just

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<v Speaker 1>a few examples. For instance, marriage between a white person

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<v Speaker 1>and a person of color any color was prohibited, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was actually the case in some US states until

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven. There were segregated waiting rooms, elevators, restrooms,

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<v Speaker 1>you get the idea, and none of those designated spaces

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<v Speaker 1>for black people were built or maintained to the same

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<v Speaker 1>standards as those that were intended for the use of

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<v Speaker 1>white people. Nothing about this was equal. In Georgia, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>where Grandison Harris lived, it was unlawful for and we

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<v Speaker 1>are this now quote any amateur white baseball team to

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<v Speaker 1>play baseball on any vacant lot or baseball diamond within

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<v Speaker 1>two blocks of a playground devoted to the Negro race.

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<v Speaker 1>And it shall be unlawful for any amateur colored baseball

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<v Speaker 1>team to play baseball in any vacant lot or baseball

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<v Speaker 1>diamond within two blocks of any playground devoted to the

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<v Speaker 1>white race. Virginia, which was Baker's home, authorized cities and

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<v Speaker 1>towns to create what we're called segregation districts to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>anyone of color from moving into white neighborhoods. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>now that we know where we are in history, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a break for a word from our sponsor. When

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, we'll talk about who Chris Baker was and

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<v Speaker 1>why he was important. Welcome back to Criminalia. Now that

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<v Speaker 1>we have a little bit of background into the time

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Baker and Grandison Harris were alive, Let's start talking

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<v Speaker 1>about their actual lives. Despite what we may often see

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<v Speaker 1>in movies and media, not all enslaved people worked as

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural laborers on large plantations, such as those producing cotton

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<v Speaker 1>or sugarcane. While many did work on plantations in the

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<v Speaker 1>Southern States, there were also enslaved people engaging in skilled labor,

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<v Speaker 1>such as in domestic jobs cooks, blacksmiths, drivers, gardeners. That

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<v Speaker 1>list goes on and on. There were a variety of

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<v Speaker 1>workplaces including when you might not think of, well, at

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<v Speaker 1>least probably not at first, Chris Baker may have been

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the theft of hundreds of corpses from black

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<v Speaker 1>cemeteries across Richmond, Virginia in the mid to late eighteen hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris was a black man born at the Medical College

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<v Speaker 1>of Virginia or m c V, to enslaved parents who

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<v Speaker 1>also worked at the school. Those who were enslaved were

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<v Speaker 1>considered property, and that made Chris the property of m

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<v Speaker 1>c V. He was born into enslavement. Demographic information about

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<v Speaker 1>Chris varies on just about every single detail, beginning with

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<v Speaker 1>the year of his birth. Without knowing when he was born,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to determine if he was an enslaved man

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<v Speaker 1>during his time snatching bodies or part of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>or if he was freed with others at the close

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil War. Some records indicate he had a

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<v Speaker 1>wife named Martha, maybe Martha. Some reports refer to Martha

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<v Speaker 1>as his mother, not his wife, and he did were

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<v Speaker 1>fairly certain have a son named John. Some reports suggested

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<v Speaker 1>Chris lived with his family in the basement of the

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<v Speaker 1>Egyptian building at the school. However, this is also a

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<v Speaker 1>for debate. Some historians point to the city directories in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen hundreds, where a Chris Baker is listed

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<v Speaker 1>at a series of addresses close to the hospital in

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Ward District of Richmond. When Chris began acquiring bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>it was either by his own hands with a team

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<v Speaker 1>of a few other guys, or by hiring others to

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<v Speaker 1>do so for him. Regardless of whether he worked alone

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<v Speaker 1>or not, all of the bodies he acquired were for

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<v Speaker 1>the Medical College of Virginia. As an aside here, The

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<v Speaker 1>Medical College of Virginia that we're talking about joined with

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<v Speaker 1>the Richmond Professional Institute in nineteen eight to form Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>Commonwealth University or VCU as we know it today. Chris

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<v Speaker 1>was m c VS in house resurrection man, or as

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<v Speaker 1>he was described in the nine census, his occupation was

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<v Speaker 1>quote an anatomical man. In addition to digging up bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>his work also included preserving those bodies in quicklime for dissection,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as generally keeping up with the local deaths

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore any potential body snatching opportunities in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris was well respected on campus. In fact, he was

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<v Speaker 1>often asked to take pictures with the medical students after dissections.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the black community it was rumored Chris could

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<v Speaker 1>wield black magic. As one future doctor wrote of the

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<v Speaker 1>legendary resurrection man, quote, he was a small man, bald,

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<v Speaker 1>and wore a black skull cap that made him so

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<v Speaker 1>distinguishable that Negroes avoided him like the plague. According to

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<v Speaker 1>VC used chairman of the Department of African American Studies,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Shaun O. Utsie Baker had been arrested several times

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<v Speaker 1>in the act of stealing bodies. He describes an instance

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<v Speaker 1>when Chris and three other men were caught by local

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia authorities in the process of disturbing at least eight graves,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is a large operation at that point. That time,

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<v Speaker 1>Baker was indicted on one felony and two misdemeanor counts

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<v Speaker 1>of body snatching, but he was pardoned by the governor.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've talked about in almost every episode this sea

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<v Speaker 1>and many authorities simply looked the other way when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to this job, and Chris became famous, infamous as

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<v Speaker 1>a ghoul who haunted the graves of the black community.

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<v Speaker 1>There is no way to know how many bodies were

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<v Speaker 1>stolen from cemeteries in the area, but the estimates from

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<v Speaker 1>within the black cemeteries are in the thousands. Baker, it said,

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<v Speaker 1>was known to haunt both the Sycamore Cemetery on the

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<v Speaker 1>North Side and the Oakwood Cemetery in northeast Richmond. Unlike

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<v Speaker 1>the white students who took photos with him, his work

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<v Speaker 1>left the black community fearful of him. There are many

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<v Speaker 1>sensational stories surrounding Chris. One talehold is that he would

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<v Speaker 1>attend funerals disguised as a mourner to scout for fresh bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>Another tells of how some richmonders believed he carried a

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<v Speaker 1>bag to silence the screams of the living he captured

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<v Speaker 1>in dark alleys around the city. Little side note here,

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<v Speaker 1>there's really no evidence that Chris committed orders for bodies,

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<v Speaker 1>although that wasn't unheard of among body snatchers. If you

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<v Speaker 1>remember the term burking. We talked about that in our

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<v Speaker 1>episode about William Burke and William Hare, who never seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to have stepped foot in a cemetery, yet were highly

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<v Speaker 1>successful at delivering fresh corpses. The Virginia State Newspaper argued

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<v Speaker 1>in a front page feature story that Chris Baker and

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<v Speaker 1>other resurrection men were not what many considered to be quote,

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<v Speaker 1>a necessary evil. This article argued, quote, if they be,

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<v Speaker 1>why not divide the honors between Oakwood Cemetery and Hollywood alike,

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<v Speaker 1>and between the two races. It has been claimed by

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<v Speaker 1>many white men that Negroes are physically dissimilar to Caucasians.

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<v Speaker 1>If that be true, then it is not fair to

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<v Speaker 1>the white people that only colored ones should be dissected

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<v Speaker 1>and should be the only ones of whose physical structures

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors have any knowledge. After an eight five visits

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<v Speaker 1>in their land, English travel writer Harriet Martineau astutely observed

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<v Speaker 1>that quote in Baltimore, the bodies of colored people exclusively

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<v Speaker 1>are taken for a dissection because the whites do not

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<v Speaker 1>like it and the colored people cannot resist. Chris Baker

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<v Speaker 1>story is not the only one of its kind. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to travel to Georgia. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit early, but we're going to take this opportunity for

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<v Speaker 1>a word from our sponsor, and when we're back, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the life of Grandison Harris. Welcome back to Criminalia.

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<v Speaker 1>Grandison Harris was an enslaved man who stole the bodies

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<v Speaker 1>of black people from black graveyards. A little bit similar.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is his story. The Medical College of Georgia and

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<v Speaker 1>Augusta once purchased a man for the purpose of quote,

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<v Speaker 1>procuring subjects for anatomical study. Yes, this is real, and

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<v Speaker 1>stay with us here. In eighteen fifty two, the Medical

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<v Speaker 1>College of Georgia or MCG bought a black man named

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<v Speaker 1>Grandison Harris to be their exclusive body snatcher for their

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<v Speaker 1>anatomy classes, and he was jointly owned by all seven

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<v Speaker 1>members of the school's medical faculty. Let's unpack that statement

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<v Speaker 1>and a half. Yes, a medical college purchased a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six year old enslaved man in the mid eighteen hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>when slavery was legal in the state of Georgia. According

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<v Speaker 1>to faculty minutes from an eighteen fifty two meeting at MCG,

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<v Speaker 1>the dean of the college purchased Grandison at a Charleston,

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina auction for seven hundred dollars. So seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in eighteen fifty, if you're curious, is roughly equivalent

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<v Speaker 1>in purchasing power to about twenty six thousand dollars today.

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<v Speaker 1>According to reports of the event, Grandison was separated from

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, who was pregnant and who remained enslaved as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Grandison was described as quote a large and powerful Galla

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<v Speaker 1>slave born in eighteen sixteen in West Africa. As an

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved Gulla man, he would have been from one of

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<v Speaker 1>several tribal groups of western Central Africa who, upon being

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<v Speaker 1>brought to the United States, were primarily forced to work

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<v Speaker 1>on the plantations of coastal North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>and Florida, often on rice and cotton plantations. Grandison's fate

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<v Speaker 1>brought him to Georgia, but not to a rice field.

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<v Speaker 1>Before Grandison became mcg's go to grave robber, The faculty

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<v Speaker 1>had tried a few alternative methods for procuring cadavers. First,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no way these seven doctors, who were apparently

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable owning a human planned to potentially ruin their reputations

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<v Speaker 1>by getting caught with a hand in a coffin. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was out. The school's cadaver program began just like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot did. They purchased fresh corpses for seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>cents each from local body snatchers in Augusta, but they

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<v Speaker 1>ran up against a common problem there was a limited supply.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen thirty nine, the school tried a different tactic

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<v Speaker 1>and began to source cadavers from out of state for

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars. One order of bodies from New York

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<v Speaker 1>City was shipped in barrels of whiskey to preserve them

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<v Speaker 1>during travel. What is unclear in that report, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how many bodies one might purchase for one dollars

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<v Speaker 1>shipped from New York. Regardless, that was not really an

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<v Speaker 1>efficient method anyway. They still needed more corpses, so to

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<v Speaker 1>fill this void they brought in Grandison. For decades, Grandison's

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<v Speaker 1>work was as an in house resurrection man dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>steal bodies from graves at downtown Augustus Black Cedar Grove

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<v Speaker 1>Cemetery to be delivered to and used by the medical school.

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<v Speaker 1>Cedar Grove Cemetery is notable here because it was reserved

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<v Speaker 1>for Augustus impoverished and black residents. There was no fence,

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<v Speaker 1>and the bodies there were buried in plain pind coffins,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes known as toothpicks. Dr Eugene Murphy and mcg professor

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<v Speaker 1>and former dean, who was a contemporary of Grandison, had

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<v Speaker 1>observed the body snatcher at work. He recounted his routine

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<v Speaker 1>as quote. He would go to the cemetery late at night,

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<v Speaker 1>with only the moon watching. He would quickly dig down

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<v Speaker 1>to the upper end of the box, smash it with

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<v Speaker 1>an axe, reach in there with his long and powerful arms,

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<v Speaker 1>and draw the subject out. He would put the subject

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<v Speaker 1>in a big sack, place it in a cart, and

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<v Speaker 1>carry it to the school. Grandison, we should note, was

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<v Speaker 1>known to be really meticulous. He would memorize the grave

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<v Speaker 1>site before disturbing it, and then he was able to

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<v Speaker 1>to recreate that grave site perfectly once he had put

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<v Speaker 1>the dirt back down, right down to the flower arrangements.

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<v Speaker 1>The exhumed body was first destined for preservation in vats

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<v Speaker 1>of whiskey, and later it was off to the dissection table.

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<v Speaker 1>Between eighteen thirty five and nineteen twelve five nine eight

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<v Speaker 1>Telfare Street, an impressive Greek Revival style building, housed nearly

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<v Speaker 1>all of the medical colleges anatomy classes and their cadavers.

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<v Speaker 1>Stories of these quote night doctors, a term often used

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<v Speaker 1>in regard to the stealing and selling of bodies, became

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<v Speaker 1>part of local black focal or tradition, and men like

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<v Speaker 1>Harris and Baker as well were turned into a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of bogeyman, used to scare local children and frankly, to

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<v Speaker 1>scare adults as well. There's a chapter on Harris in

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<v Speaker 1>the book Bones in the Basement post Mortem Racism in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century Medical Training, in which J. Philip Waring, retired

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<v Speaker 1>administrator of the Urban League, is quoted as saying local

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<v Speaker 1>blacks feared him because they did not know who he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to dig up next. He was feared in

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<v Speaker 1>the I don't want to say supernatural, but anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>goes out and digs up bodies and gets away with

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<v Speaker 1>it and makes money. And the medical college promoted him,

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<v Speaker 1>and what have you what kind of person was this?

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<v Speaker 1>It's believed doctors and doctors in training at the medical

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<v Speaker 1>school were the ones who taught Grandison to read and

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<v Speaker 1>write so that he could follow the obituaries and funeral

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<v Speaker 1>announcements in the local papers. It was illegal for an

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved person to read or write at this time in

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<v Speaker 1>America's history, so Grandison had skills that other black men

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<v Speaker 1>would not have had. Chris Baker, for instance, was not literate.

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<v Speaker 1>Historians also believe that Grandison had decent knowledge of anatomy

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<v Speaker 1>and even assisted during dissections, and that he became something

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<v Speaker 1>of a respected mentor like figure among the medical students.

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<v Speaker 1>And photographs taken of each graduating class during his tenure

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<v Speaker 1>you will find Harris standing along with the students. Eugene

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<v Speaker 1>Murphy of MCG also described how after one late night run,

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<v Speaker 1>Grandison went from the graveyard to a saloon. Two students

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<v Speaker 1>who've been watching the night doctor, walked over to his

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<v Speaker 1>wagon and pulled a corpse from a sack. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the students, as the story goes, then climbed into that sack.

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<v Speaker 1>When Grandison returned from having a drink, the student moaned

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<v Speaker 1>from within the sack, quote Grandison, I'm cold, buy me

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<v Speaker 1>a drink, And to that the legend goes. Grandison replied,

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<v Speaker 1>you can buy your own damn drink. With the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the Civil War on April night, eighteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and the abolition of slavery on December eighteenth, eighteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>Grandison was a freeman and he left mcg his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and child. A son named George, moved to be with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He relocated his family across the Savanna, a river from Augusta,

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<v Speaker 1>to the small town of Hamburg, South Carolina that's now

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<v Speaker 1>known as North Augusta, and there he served as a

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<v Speaker 1>judge in a Freedman's Bureau court. Those were courts meant

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<v Speaker 1>to settle cases of freed or formerly enslaved people who

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<v Speaker 1>were facing prejudice in the white court system. Even with

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<v Speaker 1>his family reunited and a new respectable job, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no way this was an easy time for Grandison. The

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<v Speaker 1>reconstruction period had become a violent political crisis, and in

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<v Speaker 1>its failure, Jim Crow laws became the way things were

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<v Speaker 1>in Georgia and across many Southern states, and Grandison found

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<v Speaker 1>himself in a strange place in his community. He could

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<v Speaker 1>read and write he held a good job. He's described

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<v Speaker 1>as wearing quote proper gentleman's clothing, and a description of

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<v Speaker 1>that would be, say, imagine a panama hat in the summer,

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<v Speaker 1>a derby in the winter, and he always wore a

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<v Speaker 1>mutineer in his lapel on sun days. Grandison, it seems,

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<v Speaker 1>from all accounts, was a really friendly man. It was

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<v Speaker 1>known among the black community that he threw great parties

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<v Speaker 1>that were attended by the emite of local black society.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a member of the influential Colored Knights of Patheus,

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<v Speaker 1>a Masonic secret society that was started in eighteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>by black men. It borrowed from the rituals of the

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<v Speaker 1>White Knights of Patheus. The biggest difference here was that

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<v Speaker 1>any race was eligible to join the Colored Knights. Hamburg

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<v Speaker 1>was a small, primarily black community across the river from Augusta, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't mean that it was a haven for

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<v Speaker 1>black residents. White people from the surrounding area continually clashed

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<v Speaker 1>with the residents there. An event called the Hamburg Massacre

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<v Speaker 1>happened there in July of eighteen seventy six. That massacre

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<v Speaker 1>was rooted in racial hatred and political motives, and it

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<v Speaker 1>began as a simple dispute over free passage on a

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<v Speaker 1>public road. Two white farmers were temporarily blocked from crossing

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<v Speaker 1>a road while an all black regiment engaged in a

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<v Speaker 1>military exercise. Outraged the men, who were named Thomas Butler

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<v Speaker 1>and Henry gets Him filed a formal complaint demanding Hamburg's

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<v Speaker 1>all black militia be disbanded. This is a very significant

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<v Speaker 1>and detailed event in Southern history. We are speeding through it,

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<v Speaker 1>we know. But the deal here is that when the

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<v Speaker 1>governor called in local paramilitary groups known as the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Shirts to quell any violence that seemed to be simmering,

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<v Speaker 1>at least according to his estimation, terrible things happened. Hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of the all white Red Shirts surrounded and attacked the

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<v Speaker 1>black militia regiment. Six black men and one white man

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<v Speaker 1>were killed, and the event did nothing but worse in

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<v Speaker 1>relation between the races spurred by racial tension, Grandison left Hamburg.

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<v Speaker 1>He moved his family to Augusta and returned to his

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<v Speaker 1>work in the dissection lab, this time as a full

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<v Speaker 1>time employee at the Medical College of Georgia, and that

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<v Speaker 1>meant he was paid for his work. He received eight

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a month for doing the work he'd previously done

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<v Speaker 1>for the school as an enslaved man. We did find

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<v Speaker 1>one report that his salary fell between ten dollars and

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen dollars a month, so a little bit more, and

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<v Speaker 1>that when he retired in nive it was on a

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<v Speaker 1>pension of ten dollars a month. So we're in the

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<v Speaker 1>ballpark here. He was listed as supporter in the medical

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<v Speaker 1>schools records, although everyone knew that wasn't really his job.

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<v Speaker 1>But this time around at MCG the medical students didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see him as a mentor. They treated him, it's reported

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<v Speaker 1>as though he had been quote disloyal to the South

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<v Speaker 1>by working on the behalf of the black community in

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<v Speaker 1>a freedman's bureau of court, and they mocked him for

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<v Speaker 1>his attempt at social climbing. In fact, both students and

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<v Speaker 1>faculty mocked him by calling him judge off campus among

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<v Speaker 1>free and enslaved blocks in Augusta. At the time, Grandison

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<v Speaker 1>was known as a ghost, a ghoul, and even a villain.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite a new law allowing dissection in Georgia to be

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<v Speaker 1>legal beginning in eight seven, that law still didn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>there were enough fresh corpses for dissection tables, and the

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<v Speaker 1>body snatcher profession was still needed. Grandison continued to not

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<v Speaker 1>only rob graves, but helped purchase corpses of the poor

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<v Speaker 1>who died in prisons and hospitals and from anywhere else

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<v Speaker 1>he got a tip on a fresh corpse. As Grandison

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<v Speaker 1>got older, his son, George, began to take on more

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<v Speaker 1>of the school's graveyard responsibilities, but George was not as

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<v Speaker 1>well liked or as responsible as his father had been.

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<v Speaker 1>The dissection lab began to emit an odor strong enough

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<v Speaker 1>for the Board of Health to be called in, and

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<v Speaker 1>they discovered not only old rags and tobacco on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>but also scraps from dissection procedures and a neglected vat

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<v Speaker 1>full of bones. Not the kind of scene in medical school,

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<v Speaker 1>or actually really anyone wants to explain. Grandison retired in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen o eight, after giving one final lecture instructing the

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<v Speaker 1>medical students on the finer points of being a night doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>He died of heart failure in nineteen eleven at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of ninety five, and he was buried in Cedar Grove,

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<v Speaker 1>the very same cemetery where he had plundered for fresh

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<v Speaker 1>corpses for decades. In nine nine, the cemetery's records were

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed when the Savannah River overflowed, and today still no

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<v Speaker 1>one knows where Harris's body lies. In addition to that

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<v Speaker 1>bone collection, in nine nine, construction workers accidentally discovered the

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<v Speaker 1>remains of We've seen this two ways, actually of roughly

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>four hundred corpses or ten thousand bones below the old

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<v Speaker 1>Medical College building on Telfair Street, many of whom were

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<v Speaker 1>likely secretly disposed of by Grandison as part of his

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<v Speaker 1>daily duties. Some remains were still marked as specimens, but

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<v Speaker 1>because many were scattered or broken, it's been difficult for

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<v Speaker 1>archaeologists and forensic anthropologists to determine much about them. The ancestry, sex,

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>or age of each individual is unknown. What they have

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<v Speaker 1>been able to figure out, though, through testing, is that

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven percent of the bones are male, and most

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<v Speaker 1>of the remains belonged to black men. Found with them

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<v Speaker 1>were old medical tools, as well as an old wooden

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<v Speaker 1>vat that had been used to store bodies and whiskey,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that still contained bones too. The discovery was

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<v Speaker 1>turned over to local authorities, and the bones were buried

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<v Speaker 1>in Cedar Grove Cemetery. This is obviously a very complex story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just body snatching. There is also race, socioeconomic status,

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<v Speaker 1>right and wrong, and it's a story that we hope

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<v Speaker 1>experts to dive more deeply into. One thing that kept

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<v Speaker 1>coming up in the research for today's show is that

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be more to this story than meets

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<v Speaker 1>the eye. And we completely agree, so we hope we

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<v Speaker 1>have done it justice, but we acknowledge there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of depths here we can't even get into because the

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<v Speaker 1>information has not really been studied. I holly hope that

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<v Speaker 1>you are not going to serve us anything from that that.

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<v Speaker 1>No rock gut whiskey today. No, And in fact, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sidestepping whiskey and using an alternate spirit in something. This

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>was one where it was a little bit tricky because

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to think of something that we could

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<v Speaker 1>make that would be a little historical, pretty commonly associated

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<v Speaker 1>with the South, and not too disrespectful. Right, It's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit tricky, of course, very tricky. The thing that

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<v Speaker 1>kept coming to my mind is a mint jewlip. I

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<v Speaker 1>am not that big of a fan of I will

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<v Speaker 1>confess but there's a fun history lesson to this as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which will help be a little bit of a palate

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<v Speaker 1>cleanser if you just need a little break from heavier things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wanted to make it a little bit different

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<v Speaker 1>than the mint julip you have probably been served if

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>you've ordered one before, because it gets its own association

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of very racist institutions in some cases. However,

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>if we go all the way back to the origin,

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<v Speaker 1>it's different than what you're drinking today, probably right. If

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<v Speaker 1>you look up the International Association of Bartenders recipe for

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<v Speaker 1>a mint julip, it's like sugar water your mint and

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 1>whiskey or bourbon. We're not doing that, but we are

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<v Speaker 1>doing a variation. And I ended up going to a

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>book that I have in love, which is written by

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Thomas in the eighteen sixties. If you are a

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>drinker or a bar person, Jerry Thomas, he's sometimes called

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>the father of mixology. We've referenced him before on the show.

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.920
<v Speaker 1>He wrote several books called The Bartenders Guide and various

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>other names. But this is really like the first English

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 1>language codification of like drink recipes. His julip is a

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<v Speaker 1>fun one I'm actually going to read it because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not terribly long. He first starts with a way to

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<v Speaker 1>basically make simple syrup. Will skip that it's very short,

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<v Speaker 1>but then it reads. Take three or four sprigs of

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<v Speaker 1>fresh mint, Press them well in the sugar and water

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<v Speaker 1>until the flavor of the mint is extracted. Add one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half wine glass of cognac brandy and fill

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<v Speaker 1>the glass with fine shaved ice. Then draw out the

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<v Speaker 1>sprigs of mint and insert them in the ice with

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<v Speaker 1>the stems downward so that the leaves will be above

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<v Speaker 1>in the shape of a bouquet. Arrange berries and small

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of sliced orange on top in a tasty manner.

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<v Speaker 1>Dash with Jamaica rum, and sprinkle white sugar on top.

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<v Speaker 1>Place a straw as represented in the cut, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have a julip that is fit for an emperor. He

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<v Speaker 1>also includes variations to do a brandy julip, a gin

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<v Speaker 1>ju lip, a whiskey julip, which is what most people

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<v Speaker 1>get today, or a pineapple julip. So I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to that original conky julip because your girl

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<v Speaker 1>loves neck, which I'm calling the anatomical man. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>adding another twist to it to just make it its

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<v Speaker 1>own unique thing and take it out of some of

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<v Speaker 1>its previous associations. So you are going to use your

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<v Speaker 1>tablespoon of simple syrup or a vanilla syrup. If your

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<v Speaker 1>name is Holly Fry, that's presume in any reside. Or

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<v Speaker 1>I say simple syrup, I'm probably using vanilla syrup because

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<v Speaker 1>I just like it better. Then you are going to

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<v Speaker 1>small dice one large strawberry, toss it in there, and

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<v Speaker 1>then four to five mint leaves, and you're just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>muddle them, you know how. Normally I say, don't go

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<v Speaker 1>crazy muddling, go crazy muddling, because you really want to

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<v Speaker 1>mash up that strawberry and get it so it can

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<v Speaker 1>fit through a straw. Theoretically that's the problem with strawberries,

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<v Speaker 1>and they stick in the straw. So I get your

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<v Speaker 1>your your muddle the hell out of this. If you

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<v Speaker 1>can find like a boba straw that are made taking

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<v Speaker 1>those big boba pearls, that to me is a great

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<v Speaker 1>way if you're doing a fruit muddled drink. It's no

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<v Speaker 1>fun to be sipping a drink. And then so once

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<v Speaker 1>you have your strawberry and your mint leaves and your

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<v Speaker 1>syrup muddled really well, to the point that it's a

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<v Speaker 1>slurry in the bottom. Just fill the whole glass with

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<v Speaker 1>crushed ice. Crushed ice is very important. I will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you why. In a moment, you're gonna add the crushed ice.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna put in two ounces of cognac. You stir it.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanted to get chilled on the outside of your

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<v Speaker 1>glass before you even try to drink it. This is

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<v Speaker 1>where I also explained crushed dice. You'll see in cocktail

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<v Speaker 1>recipes like they sometimes call for specific kinds of ice,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not just to be like a fancy pant's unicorn.

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<v Speaker 1>They serve different purposes. So in the case of this,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to just drink your two ounces of

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<v Speaker 1>cognac with your strawberry and Mintley's, it is, to my paletate,

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<v Speaker 1>not that delicious, even with the sweetness of it, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's just too strong. It's too many strong flavor. Crushed

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<v Speaker 1>ice versus like cube dice, has greater surface areas, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's diluting your alcohol a little bit more quickly, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're actually getting a more simpable drink. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>science of different kinds of ices, different kinds of drinks. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have like a drink where it calls for

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<v Speaker 1>one large ice cube, what they mean is, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to dilute this anymore than it's absolutely necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen to keep it cold. So like you

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<v Speaker 1>want your stuff mixed together, you want it to dilute

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<v Speaker 1>it your purposely watering down your alcohol. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>case if you do a whiskey based Julu as well,

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<v Speaker 1>crushed ice is key and it probably goes to that

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<v Speaker 1>saying you don't want to just slurp it all down

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<v Speaker 1>quickly because you want it to have some time to dilute.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the anatomical band in its alcohol form. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to make a nonalcoholic one, it's super easy.

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<v Speaker 1>You do the same exact thing, but you want to

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<v Speaker 1>put in two ounces a very very very strong tea,

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<v Speaker 1>so you basically are making like the world's yummiest iced

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<v Speaker 1>tea with strawberry and mint in it. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>use vanilla syrup it makes it very lovely. I use

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<v Speaker 1>a black tea there. I've seen some people. I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing some research about other mock tail variations on mint julips,

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<v Speaker 1>and some people like to use a combination of a

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<v Speaker 1>mint tea and a black tea together, which sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting idea to steep with two bags in your

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<v Speaker 1>cup or whatever, because that will give you more of

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<v Speaker 1>that minty minty flavor, since black tea can overwhelm softer

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<v Speaker 1>flavors sometimes. But you'll do everything else the same again,

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<v Speaker 1>keep that crushed dice. You want that tea very strong.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the anatomical man. I will say I prefer

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<v Speaker 1>the mocktail on this one. As much as I generally

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<v Speaker 1>love Kognac, the mock tail is more palatable for me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more refreshing, which is really what I want from

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<v Speaker 1>any drink anyway. Like I'm not a big wine drinker,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always said, and it's because part of it I'm

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<v Speaker 1>allergic to a lot of wine. But I also just

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<v Speaker 1>don't find wine refreshing. Like when I drink wine, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I need to drink something to be hydrated,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes when you're doing like a heavy Kognak only thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like I like Kognak in things more than on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the scoop with why we went to

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<v Speaker 1>a historical version of the jew lip and then put

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<v Speaker 1>our own little twister rou on it, which hopefully is

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<v Speaker 1>yummy for everybody that tries it, and I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy it. And if you didn't know about crushed ice

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<v Speaker 1>and why it's important, now you do. This is also

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<v Speaker 1>why if you meet people that are really into bar

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<v Speaker 1>culture and tiki bar culture has a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>that are very obsessed with their ice shapes. But that

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<v Speaker 1>is part of it. It is part of the actual

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<v Speaker 1>mix of your drink. It changes the flavor profile of

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<v Speaker 1>your drink quite a bit. So it's also like sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you will shake a drink with ice, sometimes without, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you're doing it with ice, you actually are hoping

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<v Speaker 1>for a little dilution in the process. Science. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the science part of the show. Like I said, that

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<v Speaker 1>is the anatomical man our twist on a jew lip

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope you dig it. Thank you for spending

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<v Speaker 1>this time with us this week. I'm so glad that

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<v Speaker 1>we took time to tell these two particular stories. And

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