1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone, 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to text stuff. My name is Chris Poulette and 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: I'm an editor at how stuff works dot Com. Sitting 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: across from me, not cracking up nearly as much as 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: I'd hoped at that introduction, is senior writer Jonathan Strickland. 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: We're actors. We're the opposite of people, since you actually 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: are an actor. Yes, I I don't know if you 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: could speak to the veracity of that. Yeah, No, that's accurate. 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: The things that people do in private to keep away 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: from private eyes, we do in public on a stage 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: for all to see. Okay, then that's paraphrasing. Yeah, but anyway, well, yeah, 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: because what we're talking about today is people who are 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: I hate to use this phrase because it's been overused 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: Internet famous. They are celebrities. You really like that, don't 17 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: I love it? Because I am one. Okay from a 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: very tiny, tiny way of If you you have to 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: generously give me the benefit of the doubt to call 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: me a celebrity, well, some some of us are less 21 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: comfortable with that. But other people have used the Internet 22 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: to go out and try to make a name for 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: themselves and possibly become Internet famous or actually even real 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: time you know, real world famous out on the on 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: the big screen, in the little screen and on the 26 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: radio and all what all else. So we decided that 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: would be kind of interesting to talk about that because 28 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, uh it, I know that none of our 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: audience is surprised now this. We're in this generation of 30 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: people that is very comfortable with the Internet. Um and 31 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: I mean that for all age ranges. Now my my 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: eight six year old dad as as comfortable with internet. 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: So you know, but yeah, we're all we're all pretty 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: familiar with this. It's it's not hard to make a 35 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: name for yourself on for good or ill for good 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: or ill on venues like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Flicker and 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: all the other similar sites. Um and you know, so 38 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: that the thing is, there are a lot of people 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: out there, how do you go about doing it? And 40 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: we we picked some people that we thought it would 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: be kind of interesting to look into, um and talk 42 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: about how they managed to make themselves into mindoring in 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: some in a lot of cases major celebrities. Yeah, because 44 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: when you look at the traditional routes to getting success, 45 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: especially in the arts anything as a musician, as an actor, 46 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: as a writer. Uh, you know, going the old media route, 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: there's a pretty high barrier to intrigue. Well, there are 48 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: a lot, a whole lot of talented people out there. 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: It's it's obvious in just checking in with some of 50 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: these sites, um that I mentioned a few minutes ago, 51 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: that you there are a lot of talented people out 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: there who may or may not be signed to a 53 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: major recording or writing uh contract, and uh you know, 54 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: the these uh, these tools give us an opportunity to 55 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: check in with with some of them and see what 56 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: they're about doing. Yeah, there there are tons of people. Well, 57 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: let's put it this way. If you were only able 58 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: to consume content by listening to the radio, by watching television, 59 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: by going to movies that kind of thing, you would 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: see a certain range of artists and uh and of 61 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: various disciplines. Yes, right, you would see a certain range 62 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: of music video directors. You'd see a certain range of 63 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: musicians and singers and bands that sort of thing, actors, writers, 64 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But there'd be a large number 65 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: of people you would never see because they just didn't 66 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: have whatever it was like, whether it was luck or 67 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: the right opportunity, they didn't know the right person. They 68 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: have the talent, but not the venue to reach an audience. Well, 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: the web really helped take care of that problem. The 70 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: web kind of created an equal ground for people to 71 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: reach an audience. You didn't have to sign a contract 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: with a major label in order to get your your 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: content on the web, So you didn't have to you 74 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: didn't have to answer to anyone else, You didn't have 75 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: to meet that person's expectations. Because what happens if you know, 76 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm a movie studio executive and you, Chris, we're going 77 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: to do a hypothetical here, hypothetic you're such a good actor. Confused, 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to green light it. There you go, 79 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: that's my movie studio executive. Um. And but let's say 80 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm a movie studio executive and Chris comes and he 81 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: pitches an idea to me for a movie or a 82 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: television show. And uh, in which, look at this, here's 83 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: your problem. You're pitching a TV show to a movie executive. Um. 84 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: But no, let's say you're pitching your idea to me 85 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: and I'm either having a bad day, or I just 86 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: don't get the concept. I don't see how it can 87 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: be successful. And it's not that the concept is bad, 88 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: it's just that I'm a human being. I have my 89 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: own set of biases and preferences, and so I say 90 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: no to that. And then Chris walks off a broken 91 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: and humiliated man. So typical Thursday. And anyway, we uh, 92 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: we didn't get to a point where, you know, Chris, 93 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: Chris has been demoralized. He has less impetus to go 94 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: out and try and push for it again. And if 95 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: you get a series of rejections, which, by the way, 96 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: if you're an actor or artist, life is a series 97 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: of rejections, um, you know it can it can really 98 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: take the wind out of your sales. But then let's 99 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: say that Chris decides, Hey, you know what, this thing 100 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: I have would work as a web video series. So 101 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: what I'm going to do is for less money than 102 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: it would take to do a television show or a movie, 103 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to get together the best possible people I 104 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: can of the budget I have, which granted, is still 105 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: not going to be insignificant for many of these projects. 106 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: In a lot of cases, it's a big risk and 107 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: you are pouring a lot of money into it. It's 108 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: just it's a lot of money on a different scale, right. 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: There might be a few thousand dollars, which is still 110 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: a lot of money for most of us, as opposed 111 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: to several million dollars for television or hundred million dollars 112 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: for a movie or you know, and albums also, I 113 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: mean record companies, the same sort of thing. But go 114 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: about the web and then you know, you as long 115 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: as you register a space or you use something like 116 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: YouTube to uh to upload your content too, you've got 117 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: the platform there. You don't have to jump through any 118 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: hoops with the television companies or the movie studios. Um, 119 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: It's it's still a challenging road, but it has a 120 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: much lower level of entry than the traditional media. So 121 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: let's let's actually use some examples and talk about some 122 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: people who use the Internet to kind of launch their careers. Okay, Now, 123 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: I wanted to point out too that in some ways 124 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: this is scary to the major entertainment properties because well, 125 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: it's it's sort of a good and a bad thing though, 126 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: because on the bad side, Um, since I started off 127 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: with that, you know, you go great, you know, how 128 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: am I supposed to a lot of a lot of 129 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: the executives I've seen quoted say, well, you know, our 130 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: company is a way of weeding out the people who 131 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: are you know, the most talented and putting them in 132 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: the spotlight, and and that those who are of lesser 133 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: talent we reject, and that that means than anything that 134 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: we do has you know, we've already vetted this for 135 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: the consumer. And then then there's some there is some 136 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: truth in that, I would say, because I've you know, 137 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: everybody knows somebody who has is you know that thing 138 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: like oh, look I I wrote a book, or you know, 139 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: check out my band and you go, yeah, that's great, man, 140 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: check out my public excess television show exactly exactly. But 141 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: then you every once in a while you run into 142 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: somebody you go, wow, you're really God, how the heck 143 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: did you not get famous already? And that is why 144 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: the big media properties have tuned in and are starting 145 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: to find people. And that's what brings us to our podcast. 146 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: It is some of these some of the people were 147 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about are people who went, you know, 148 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: the major executives have gone, uh uh, Mr Johnson, we 149 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: need to sign this kid up. So so let's talk 150 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: about some of them. Okay, let's talk I wanted to 151 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: talk a bit about let's talk about a guy who 152 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: really as is kind of the definitive Internet celebrity as 153 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: far as geek music goes. Okay, so we're talking about 154 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: a certain Jonathan Colton. I yes, now, the code monkey, 155 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: the code Now. I have to uh, I have to 156 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: admit that I my first interaction where I didn't I 157 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: haven't had an interaction. My first uh knowledge of Mr 158 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: Colton came from a certain person that we met one day, 159 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: a friend of the stuff you should know, uh Mr Hodgeman. Yes, 160 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: John Hodgman and and and Jonathan Colton are friends. And 161 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: the first time I encountered him was when uh Mr 162 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: Colton was playing back up on the Hoboes song. Right 163 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: would you call it a song? Uh? There's music to it. 164 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: There's music to it. And he managed to play it 165 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: all the way through. It's like fifteen minutes long without 166 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: making a mistake. And I don't know that I've ever 167 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: played that long without a mistake. Uh, certainly not guitar. 168 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen Jonathan Coulton play fifteen minutes 169 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: without a mistake. Since then. But but you go back 170 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: and I said, who who is this Jonathan Colton guy? 171 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: And then I checked out his catalog and wow, yeah. 172 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: So what Jonathan Colton did was he was working as 173 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: a coder a programmer at one point and then decided, Um, 174 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: he made a he made a big decision. He decided 175 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: he was going to really make a go of it 176 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: to be a professional musician. And it was a scary thing. 177 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he was He's a family man. He's not 178 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: just it's not just some single guy. He's a family man. Um. 179 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: But it was a scary notion too, to leave what 180 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: you know behind, to leave a steady job behind, and 181 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: to try and make it as a musician. Yes, it is. Yeah, 182 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: Chris is nodding at me knowingly. As a fellow musician, 183 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: he can he can attest to this personally. As an actor, 184 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you that I never had the guts 185 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: to try and make it as an actor as that 186 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: as my primary occupation. In Atlanta, it's particularly difficult. But 187 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: no matter what what market you're in, Uh, it's tough. 188 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: It gets a little easier once you have a following, 189 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: but you have to have a pretty big following be 190 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: score it gets to be the comfort level gets to 191 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: be okay, well, I mean even even Scott Adams of Dilbert. Yeah, um, 192 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: not that he's a he doesn't fall into this category. 193 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: But he was drawing Dilbert and got syndicated before he 194 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: ever left his day job, um if I remember correctly. 195 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: So that's you know, and I think of him as 196 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: a miss a famous cartoonist now, but at the time 197 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: he created some security for himself before he jumped ship. 198 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: And that's not what Jonathan Coulton. So what Coulton decided 199 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: to do was he created a blog and he began 200 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: to he he did this pub um, this project called 201 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: Thing a Week. Yes, the idea I think a week was. 202 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a very ambitious project. The the 203 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: idea of the project was that he would write, produce 204 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: and record a song each week for a year. So 205 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: for a full year he would produce a song and 206 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: then he would put it up on the blog and 207 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: allow people to listen to it for free. Yes uh, 208 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: and this produced He produced several songs that have since 209 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: become uh some of the standards that he plays at 210 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: his concerts. Colton has been playing for quite some time 211 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: now and He's released a lot of his music on 212 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: the internet, a lot of it under a license that 213 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: allows you to download the music for free. And you 214 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: can even use it as long as you're not using 215 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: it in a way to to make money yourself promoting 216 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: your own product. Yeah, you can use it like, you 217 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: can remix it, you can set it to videos, that 218 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: sort of thing for a lot of his music. Um 219 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: but he also was offering music for sale on his site, 220 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: and he even gave people the option. He said, if 221 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: you want to steal my music, go ahead and steal 222 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: my music. I'm giving you the opportunity to download it 223 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: for free if you want to. If you think my 224 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: music is worth paying for, then please purchase my music. 225 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: And people began to buy his music. They wanted him 226 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: to keep making music. And that was the thing that 227 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: they knew that if they did not pay him, that 228 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: they did not buy his music, then he would have 229 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: no recourse but to not do this anymore. Right right, Well, 230 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: he you know, at least not in the way that 231 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: he's doing it now, because basically it's it sort of 232 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: reminds me of the old style um my als, where 233 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: you where artists had a patron the old composers centuries 234 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: ago who would have a king who would commission works 235 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: from them on a regular basis. Painters as well, Michaelangelow, 236 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: Leonardo da Vinci. These are guys who had patrons who 237 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: would give them room and board and pay them a 238 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: salary to create art. Yeah, and and now, um, artists 239 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: like Jonathan Colton can say, hey, you know, if it's 240 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: worth five bucks to you, send me a five and 241 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: I will. You know, I won't take a day job again, 242 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: and I will continue to write music more frequently so 243 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: and I can share this with more people, so you know, 244 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: it pays the web bill. Right. And Colton still does 245 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: the music thing. He still does tours, he'll he'll he 246 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: plays uh tours quite a bit. And I've seen him 247 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: play probably five or six times. Um and uh, and 248 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: you are his patron. I am. I am his patron. 249 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: I sat front row center for the last show that 250 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: I saw him in, and I got to exchange in 251 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: witty stage benter, which also known as heckling. But I 252 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: wasn't really heckling. It was more of a goofy little conversation. 253 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: I think next time I'll be quiet, because I'm not 254 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: nearly as funny as I think I am. Anyway, Uh, 255 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: Johnathan Colton seen quite a bit of success and he's 256 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: remained an independent artist. Um and still does release music 257 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: on his blog and you can still purchase things. Now 258 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: not all the songs are available for free anymore, but 259 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: many of them still are. And uh, and you can 260 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: still purchase his his music directly from him and um, yeah, 261 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: it's interesting in case you were wondering. He also is 262 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: the guy who wrote the song at the end of 263 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: the Portal game Still Alive, and he also wrote the 264 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: song that will be at the end of Portal two. Yes, 265 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: so uh. He actually he spilled the beans on that 266 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter and then realized that maybe he shouldn't have. 267 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: But anyway, but now the word is out. Not that 268 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. I just drove up excitement because 269 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: everyone loved that song so much. So Jonathan Holton really 270 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: managed to leverage the web in a big way. And 271 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: he also he values the interaction with his fan base. 272 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: You know, he doesn't ignore them. He doesn't just set 273 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: his stuff up on the web and then say here 274 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: you go and then walks away. He maintains a nice, 275 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: healthy relationship with his fan base. And so that's really 276 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: helped cultivate very loyal fans who will go to as 277 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: many shows as they possibly can and buy all his music. 278 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: So he really he really nailed it. When you when 279 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: it comes to using the Internet as a platform to 280 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: market yourself and to get your work out there for 281 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: people to enjoy, it doesn't hurt that he's a bona 282 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: fide geek who really does love science and technology and 283 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: the sort of stuff that people who are really devoted 284 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: to the Internet the same kind of things they're interested in. Right, So, 285 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: who else do you want to talk about? I was 286 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about Rooster Teeth productions. Yes we well 287 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: we've actually sort of talked about them before, Yes we have. 288 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: Rooster Teeth is the production company that produced the web 289 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: series Red Versus Blue, which of course is the mashinima series. 290 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: It uses the Halo game engine as a digital puppets 291 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: for the scripts that they wrote, which when when they 292 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: first started off, Red Versus Blue was really just kind 293 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: of a vehicle for jokes about how boring it is 294 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: to be in the military and how sometimes decisions in 295 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: the military seemed to defy all common sense. So it's 296 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: kind of a surreal satire in a way. It was 297 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: sort of on the level of Catch twenty two, but 298 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: with more curse words and uh and anyway and more 299 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: surreal humor. But Rooster Teeth created this model where these 300 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: guys who had worked in commercials and worked on another 301 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: website that was called Drunk Gamers back in the day 302 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: they used to do sketches and things like that. Um, 303 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: they got together and they started doing this series. And 304 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: the model that Rooster Teeth used was the two upload 305 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: videos to their website and then they invited people to 306 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: become sponsors. So you could become a sponsor for I 307 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: think it was twenty dollars when it started off, and 308 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: for twenty dollars you would get access to special videos 309 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: they would make that they would only make available to sponsors. 310 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: You'd also get to see the videos early, so I 311 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: think like two days before everyone else could see them. 312 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: You could watch the episode, and at the end of 313 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: the first season, all the sponsors got a DVD of 314 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: all the episodes that were produced during that first season 315 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: of Red Versus Blue. Now, uh, that was how they 316 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: are initially began to fund Red Versus Blue. Since then, 317 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: they still Rooster Teeth gets gets revenue from a variety 318 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: of sources. They produce commercials for video game companies. They 319 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: they also sell advertising on the videos that they have, 320 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: so you might watch a pre roll add before a 321 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: Rooster Teeth video. They also have advertising on their website. Um, 322 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: and you know, they sell merchandise and they sell d 323 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: v ds of the shows that they've done. Plus they 324 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: still have the subscription based so you if you pay 325 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: that that subscription price, you do still get exclusive content 326 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: and you get to see stuff early. So that model 327 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: really worked for them. They've been around for I think 328 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: eight years now, maybe close to nine, and that's pretty 329 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: impressive that they've managed to make that work. So again, 330 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: this is a company that you know, they had some fun, 331 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: fun ideas, but they would probably never have made a 332 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: break into either the independent film circuit or the television 333 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: circuit based upon what they were doing. I mean, it 334 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: would be really hard to to get a foot in 335 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: on those doors. Instead, they went with using the web 336 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: as their delivery system. And since then now they have 337 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: shown their stuff at independent film festivals, they've they've shown 338 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: an entire season as a movie and uh and so 339 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: that again is a good internet success story. And and also, 340 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: like Jonathan Colton. They have a community of users. They 341 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: have a message board where people can comment. They can 342 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: comment on on the various videos, and they also have 343 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: interaction with their fans, like they even will go on 344 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: Xbox Live and play games with their fans. In fact, 345 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: they invented a um a type of gameplay for Halo 346 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: called griff Ball, and it's named after one of the 347 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: characters from Red Versus Blue. Yeah, yeah, whoever, whoever is 348 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: the person with the griff Ball in the game turns 349 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: the color that griff is in Red Versus Blue, which 350 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: is kind of a yellowish orange supposed to be orange. 351 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: I maintained that it still looks yellow, but anyway, So 352 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: Rooster Teeth Productions is has seen a lot of success 353 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: that way, and it's really impressive to to kind of 354 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: see where they came from and how a group of 355 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: guys who had this kind of silly idea managed to 356 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: turn it into a viable entertainment business. Now, um, we 357 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: were talking about the some of these folks. I started 358 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: thinking about people that I saw getting picked up up 359 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: after working on online now um. One of the first 360 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: people that came to mind was a man to congan 361 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: Uh formerly of Rocket Boom. She and her partner had 362 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: started UM Rocket Boom, which was a little daily would 363 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: you call it a newscast kind of thing that was 364 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: shown on the web. It was newsy ish and UM. 365 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: They actually had a big, pretty well public falling out. UM. 366 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: She and her business partner disagreed on on how things 367 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: should be run, so she left UM, started a blog 368 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: and then eventually got picked up by ABC News UM 369 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: as an anchor and now has has left and is 370 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: doing other projects. UM. But that's kind of interesting to 371 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: to imagine that it's, you know, really you can start 372 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: your own show and just get picked up. I mean, 373 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: I think that's also what you could say about people 374 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: like The Lonely Island UM. And if you're not familiar, 375 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: they are a uh comedy group UM who have been 376 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: making videos since two thousand, according to their website, The 377 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: Lonely Island dot Com. UH, you may if you watch 378 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: American television, you may recognize at least one of them, 379 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: uh Andy Sanmdberg a Cuba Shafer. And I really hope 380 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: I'm not mispronouncing uh drama Taknis or Tacn's name. Someone 381 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: running and tell me that I mispronounced it. I mispronounced 382 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: it at least once. Um. Uh they're very very funny people, um, 383 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: and have been on Saturday Night Live as a result 384 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 1: of getting picked up, and probably more importantly, Andy Samberg 385 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: has been on Yo Gabba Gabba. Of course that's important, 386 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: that is important. UM. But yeah, I mean people you know, 387 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: you start creating things, uh you know, your comedy or 388 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: your music or your writing. And I mean there have 389 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: been many bloggers who have gotten book deals based on 390 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: their blogs, um, which I find impressive. But yeah, I 391 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: mean if it helps to to have a a have 392 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: to be able to cultivate a good audience, um, if 393 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: you're working to create a little buzz around it. Like 394 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: I also thought of a Lonely Girl fifteen remember that, um, 395 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: which there was a I hadn't actually watched the video, 396 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: but I became acquainted with the show, which aired on YouTube, 397 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: um from Wired magazine, and they did a show after 398 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: the after it had been revealed that uh, this person 399 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: that yeah, that basically the Jessica Rose as a young actress, 400 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: um had been basically portraying herself as um, you know, 401 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: somebody who really just needed to get out there. She 402 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: had a kind of um a family. They sort of 403 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: encouraged her to keep to herself. If I'm not mistaken, 404 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: it's kind of the thing, and she really wanted to, uh, 405 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: to get out there and be a little bit more 406 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: open to the public. And people were captivated by this story. 407 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: I said, wow, really, I mean, she she seems so nice. 408 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: I want to be your friend. Which was presented at 409 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: first as a legitimate sincere kind of like like it 410 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: was real like video video blog, and as it turns out, 411 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: no was. It was a scripted event. She was an 412 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: actress playing the part of uh, this young woman who 413 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: was bearing her thoughts for the world to see. And 414 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: we should maintain that that does not in any way 415 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: make the video necessarily less enjoyable to watch. But the 416 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: story captivated so many people's attention. UM and you know, 417 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: I think you it's sort of one of those things 418 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: that you go, wow, I mean you can really just 419 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: because you make a video yourself and upload it to 420 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: UM one of the video sharing sites in the web, 421 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that people aren't watching it. And if you 422 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: do a good job with it, you know, you you 423 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: could capture a lot of people's interest and attention. Yeah, 424 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've seen that go both ways. Right. 425 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: Of course, we've talked about the memes in the memes episodes. 426 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: Some some videos turn into memes, they don't necessarily allow 427 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: the the person in the video to leverage it in 428 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: in a useful way. Yeah. I think it's good that 429 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: you make that distinction because people people like the tron guy. Yeah, Um, 430 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: that's not really what we're talking about. We're talking about 431 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: people who are trying to make a creative endeavor, not 432 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: necessarily just shoot something funny or in extemporaneous, but it's 433 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: it's the idea of leveraging the web to get content 434 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: that you normally would have seen in these more traditional 435 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: uh media form factors. It's just that there's you know, 436 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: like I said, you can't necessarily break into those easily. Yeah, 437 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: and we're yeah, we're not talking about David after the 438 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: dentist right now. We're talking stuff purpose purposefully trying to 439 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: do this in an artistic way to gather attention. Um, 440 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: so we're talking We've talked a bit about music, we've 441 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: talked about video and movies. Uh. We should also mentioned that, 442 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, print is another way, another thing that can 443 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: be difficult to break into, particularly for things like let's 444 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: say that you're a comic strip artist. Web comics are 445 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: a big thing, and there are lots of different artists 446 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: who have tried using the web to produce or to 447 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: publish material self published material in many cases, and uh, 448 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: the list for this is really long. I mean there 449 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: are tons of different artists who have done this, and 450 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: some of them have done art in more traditional form 451 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: factors as well, like Phil Folio. Yes, Philfolio, who is 452 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: a comic book artist, um and artist in general who 453 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: has produced art for lots of different venues, including he 454 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: did the illustrations for all the uh for some American 455 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: editions of the myth Adventures books, and also did the 456 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: comic book series for myth Adventures, which was written by 457 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: Robert Aspirin. And um, yeah, they also a number of games. Yep, 458 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: he and his and his wife have both collaborated on 459 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: on things like that. And the Girl Genius comic. Yes, 460 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: Girl Genius is the one that was specifically thinking about 461 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: because he's published it online. I actually used to buy 462 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: it in print form. Um, but yeah, I've been reading 463 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: it online and it's it's funny because when you said that, 464 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: it reminded me of Scott McCloud. You did. The Understanding 465 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: Understanding Comics series has written some really awesome books about 466 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 1: what you could do with it with comics as an 467 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: art form, and he talks about the limitations of the 468 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: standard strip and I think on the web you can 469 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: do so well. He would argue, that's too. I'm pretty 470 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: sure it has that. You can do so much more. 471 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: If you can open up the space and show art 472 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: in different ways, you can tell a different kind of story. Yeah, 473 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: and some artists have tried to embrace that. Some artists 474 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: have been very resistant toward it, thinking that the that 475 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's another tool to tell a story, 476 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: and I think some artists are more comfortable using that 477 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: tool than others. UM. For example, what you've probably heard 478 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 1: about the comic books that maybe you actually read them. 479 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: You maybe you read comic books online or using an 480 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: iPad feature. Now a lot of those comics have added 481 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: features uh in them, so that there's there's a little 482 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: bit of action in there as well. It's not just 483 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: static images. You you get a few little effects that 484 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: you can add in that you wouldn't be able to 485 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: do on the page obviously. UM. Same sort of thing 486 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: with web comics. The idea is that you could add 487 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: more elements into your storytelling, or even choose to tell 488 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: a story in a totally different way that you wouldn't 489 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: be able to tell if it were confined to a page. 490 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: Like I said, some artists do not agree with that 491 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: particular approach. They think that the human that human customers 492 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: are pretty much uh, kind of conditioned to reading comics 493 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: in a very static way, and that it's very hard 494 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: to get people to break out of that. So it's 495 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: an interesting debate that still goes on in the web 496 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: comic space. I wanted to mention a couple of other 497 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: web comic artists. Scott Kurtz, who does pv P online. Yes, 498 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: he so that that jumped off the screen and onto 499 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: the page, released print versions of a lot of his 500 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: comics after they were on online. Right, Yeah, he managed 501 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: to Um. He started off doing publishing his strip to 502 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: the web, and uh, he was getting most of his 503 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: money from ad revenue, and then he began to collect 504 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: strips in books and sell them just like you would 505 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: find other traditional comic strips. You know, like you go 506 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: to the bookstore and you look in the humor section 507 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: and you're going to find all the you know, the 508 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: Garfield books and you know, I haven't read comic strips 509 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: since so long. I'm not even going to do this 510 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: because I'll date myself. But at any rate, same sort 511 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: of thing you could find, you know, p VP books online. 512 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure in some bookstores as well. You could purchase them. 513 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: And then you also have Tycho and Gabe of Penny Arcade, 514 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: who are very successful web comic creators and uh and again, 515 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: just like the other examples we've said, both Scott kurts 516 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,719 Speaker 1: And and Tycho and Gabe in particular have been very 517 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: good at cultivating that audience and creating a community for them, 518 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: not just not just a website where you read a 519 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: comic strip, but a place where people actually interact. And um. 520 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: They've also experimented with other forms of media, so they're 521 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: not just drawing comics, but they might do a podcast. 522 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: The podcast could be about different challenges that web comic 523 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 1: artists face and their own perspectives on some of these 524 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: debates that are within web comics themselves. And it's pretty 525 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: interesting to hear from their perspectives because of course, these 526 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: are the guys who are producing the art or video 527 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: games or video games. Yes, Tycho and Gabe made there's 528 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: a Penning Arcade video game. I think you can get 529 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: it off Xbox Live if I'm not mistaken. Um, but 530 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: the I had And another example something that was interesting 531 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: to me, Another example of a person who has a 532 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: history in old media who created something in new media. 533 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: Josh Weeden. So Josh Wheden as the creator of such 534 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: shows as Buffy, the Van Pire, Slayer, Angel Firefly, also 535 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: did doll House. Um. He of course he's known for 536 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,719 Speaker 1: writing some you know, kind of quirky dialogue, creating very 537 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: strong female characters, and having sort of a geek perspective 538 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: on culture. All his characters tend to be really pop 539 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: culture savvy, and they very much tend to be geeks. 540 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Um to summing to you know, there's a spectrum there, right, yes, 541 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: so um. Anyway, he created a show called Dr Horrible, Yes, 542 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: which the three episode story. Yes, they created this on 543 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: a very modest budget, too, right, and was this really impressive? 544 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: I think the the impetus for this was the writer strike. 545 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't the writer strike. So the writers strike in 546 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: Hollywood meant that no new content for television was going 547 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: to be created during this time because the writer's Guild 548 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: had decided to strike. As it turns out, the networks 549 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: are really good at funding a lot of these shows, 550 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: so when the writers are doing it themselves, you know. 551 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: But you know what, I watch it and I don't 552 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: think at all that it looks like a low budget show. No. 553 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: The the the budget for Dr Horrible was probably much 554 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: higher than for your average web series, and the people 555 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: who were making it know how to make inexpensive stuff 556 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: look really good. And it also helps when Josh Weeden 557 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: has a big enough name that he's able to attract 558 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: high level talent to be in his production. Really like 559 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: who like? Uh like? Oh Neil Patrick Harris? Oh yeah, 560 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: so yeah, your average web series doesn't have Doogie Howser 561 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: as the lead. Uh. Neil Patrick Harris was of course 562 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: the lead in Dr Horrible. He was the the title 563 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: character Dr Horrible. Felicia Day, who had been in episodes 564 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and a Sears commercial um 565 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: and also had her own web series called The Guild. 566 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: She was of course cast as the potential love interest 567 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: for Dr Horrible, and so jos Wein used this story 568 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: to tell the tale of a supervillain from the supervillain's 569 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: perspective about why he does the things he does, how 570 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: he's human just like everybody else, how he's affected by 571 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: his own emotions, and what finally propels him to uh 572 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: celebrity status within the super villain community. And it's an 573 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: entertaining and of course heartbreaking story because Josh Weeden can't 574 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: make anyone have a happy ending. And uh that's another podcast, 575 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: probably not for tech stuff, but anyway, it's he used 576 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: the web to launch this series, and he has, of 577 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: course we hadn't already had a very strong fan community, yes, 578 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: from his television series and also his work in movies, 579 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: and so he had a built an audience, right, yes, 580 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: he did. I also want to give a shout out 581 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: to one of mine and my wife's favorite characters whom 582 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: you didn't mention. So, Nathan Phillion, if you are listening, 583 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: it was me who mentioned you, Captain Nathan Philly, and 584 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: I love you too, but you know that because I've 585 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: tweeted to you at anyway, he doesn't know me. If 586 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: Nathan Phillion knows me, he's doing an awfully good job 587 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: at keeping that information riv it anyways, just going to 588 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: use it against you later. He's famous first prank he 589 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: could be you know, he said that he might be. 590 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: He would be willing to be mal again if Fireflight 591 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: were to be relaunched. Hey, that works in two different 592 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: ways relaunched anyway. So yeah, this was an example of 593 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: someone who had worked in old media going toward new 594 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: media and it was a huge success as far as 595 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: web video series are concerned, right, yeah, I mean you 596 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: you might look at that versus the numbers, you know, 597 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: strictly from the numbers perspective, versus an average TV show 598 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: on an average night, you might go whatever. But you know, 599 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: for the web actually, with as much content as there 600 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: is on the web and many choices you have to 601 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: choose from, the show did very well. Yes, and it 602 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: in fact, it's available on DVD now, so you can 603 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: actually purchase it. And I think it I just wanted 604 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: to add that. I think it shows the viability of 605 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: that as a way to a vehicle to do this, 606 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: the same same kind of thing with the Battlestar Galactica 607 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: mini videos that they did in en seasons. Um shows 608 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: you that you can you can use that to either 609 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: bolster your property or use it as a a different 610 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: angle from which to look at it. Now. Of course, 611 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: not every web series that comes out is going to 612 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: have the production value of Dr Horrible, because I mean, 613 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: like we said, it's it was much less money than 614 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: it would take to make a typical television show, but 615 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: much more money than the typical web video person has 616 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: at his or her disposal, So you know, but it 617 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: does show that the web is a is a viable 618 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: platform to get your material to an audience. And and 619 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: it's like I said, there's DVD sales now. There was 620 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: a big contest for people to create videos to um 621 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: to become the next member of the Evil League of Evil. 622 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: By the way, that trivia Jonathan Strickland has a video 623 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: of him as a character called the philosophize Er. Uh. 624 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: If you want to do a search on YouTube for 625 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: Room Hilda, that's Room with a v Room Hill and 626 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: the Philosophizer, you will see the audition video for the 627 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: Evil League of Evil. We were mentioned in the credits. 628 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: We did not make one of the final five. I 629 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: don't know why. We were really really evil. They were 630 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: really good. I enjoyed it. The performance was really oh 631 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: thank you so anyway, uh yeah, they that was another 632 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: example of fan interaction and it really helped with the 633 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: DVD sales as well. And we've seen, you know, other 634 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: material inspired by Dr Horrible. There are single long performances 635 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: of Dr Horrible that will happen, kind of like the 636 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: old Rocky Horror Picture show stuff. And there's that great 637 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: video that was produced as if Dr Horrible were an 638 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: eight bit in S game, like an old inn S 639 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: RPG game. Uh. And we mentioned the Guild briefly. That's 640 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: Felicia Day's series, which is about a group of gamers 641 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: who are playing a game very similar to World Warcraft 642 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: and kind of the um the complications that arise in 643 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: their lives. Yeah, and it had the very first part 644 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: of it they actually meet each other in the flesh 645 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: instead of in the pixel. Yeah. First, very awkward. That 646 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: was painful for me. Well, yeah, because you realize a 647 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: very good job, which is why exactly you realize it's 648 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: showing off gamers as being socially awkward. Socially awkward, so 649 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: I have a t exactly. So they're very good at 650 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: interacting online, but once you get them in person, they 651 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: have problems and what I think is amusing. This is 652 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: kind of a spoiler alert, But in later seasons of 653 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: the guild, you get a delicious villain played by a Mr. 654 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: Will Wheaton, which just shows that, you know, if your 655 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: web series gets enough traction, you might actually find people 656 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: who have had work in old media get interested and 657 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: get involved, and um, you know, these are just some examples. 658 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: There are thousands of examples on the web. Now, granted, 659 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: for the thousands of examples on the web of success, 660 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: there are millions of examples of things that never went anywhere. Yes, 661 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: so there's still an element of luck. There's still definitely 662 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: an element of quality if you're if you're if what 663 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: you are using is not a very good quality, if 664 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: you do get famous, it's going to be for the 665 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: wrong reason, right, Um, so you still have to create 666 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: good quality stuff. But the web gives you that that 667 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: that access that you might not otherwise have, especially if 668 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: you're like, let's say that you're somewhere where you're far 669 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: away from Hollywood or New York or even have the 670 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: other centers where we think of the entertainment industry being located. 671 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: You can produce this theoretically anywhere. So the web has 672 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: really helped out with that. Now, Uh, if you guys 673 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: have a great idea for a web series, like a 674 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 1: comic or a video or a song. Then definitely pursue that. 675 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: Think about using the web as a platform, look into 676 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: people who have done it before and seeing how how 677 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: they've achieved success, and learn as much as you can 678 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: before you just you know, try and strike out there 679 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: and throw something up on the internet. And you know, 680 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: always work at it because chances are your first attempt 681 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: may not go over well. But who knows, you could 682 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: end up being the next Justin b or yeah you 683 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: could gosh, the babe who got discovered from YouTube. By 684 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: the way, uh, I just want to point this unbelievable. 685 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: I heard it from Fitty Cent himself. Never make fun 686 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: of Justin Bieber fans because they will not accept your apology. 687 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: But no, and jokes aside, and whether or not you 688 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: like his music. He got picked up from YouTube. Somebody 689 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: saw him on YouTube and now he's a very big star. 690 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: So that's about as big as you can get. It 691 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: can be done, yes, So so guys, you know, I 692 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: encourage it creativity. I love seeing good creative work out there. 693 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: If nothing else, it's fun, go do it. Yeah, just 694 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, keep in mind that that 695 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: failure could still be part of the equation. But it's 696 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: better to go ahead and try something and fail than 697 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: to not even put forth the effort. You can always 698 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: look at it before you post it. Yes, yes, and 699 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: like I said, and again, do your research, find what 700 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: works and what doesn't work. Don't just go into it blind. 701 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: And guys, that will wrap up this story. 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