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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told you protection of iHeart Radio, and it

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Speaker 1: is time for another happy hour, which as always means

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Speaker 1: drink responsibly if you decide to do so, and also

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Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, do responsibly listening to this podcast. We're

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Speaker 1: speaking of very quick content. Warning. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into any details, but you know it's

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Speaker 1: just a warning. Um, we're we are going to talk

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Speaker 1: about some sexual assault stuff. I think today we're going

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Speaker 1: to be digging into some tropes from the nineties, so

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Speaker 1: that might give you a taste of what we're going

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Speaker 1: to discuss. Uh, Samantha, what are you sipping on? So?

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Speaker 1: I am making a play on figs because we in

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Speaker 1: my new house have a job giant fig tree in

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Speaker 1: try to see if I can make like a fig

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Speaker 1: type of gin and tonic lessons learn. I need more

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Speaker 1: fig But if you wonder what, it's very sweet. M

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize how sweet they were, and they're just

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Speaker 1: nice and very delicious. But so I put a metal

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Speaker 1: fig with basil, because we all have a little thing

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Speaker 1: of basil and I love herbs and everything with some

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Speaker 1: Won't buy it again. And muddled it up together and

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Speaker 1: that a bit um. But yeah, and now I have

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Speaker 1: a fig gin and tonic with basil, so it has

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Speaker 1: to be something different, I guess. And delicious, you have

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Speaker 1: definitely mixed it up with this one, and you've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of fresh ingredients. I'm very jealous. I canta

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Speaker 1: figure it out. What what you do again? I am drinking.

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Speaker 1: As I told you, Samantha, I had some very kind

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Speaker 1: and they drank all my vodka. I love you all.

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Speaker 1: I didn't judge you, but anyway, they went to go

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Speaker 1: replenish my stock and they came back with an assortment

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Speaker 1: and they don't match very well. But one of those

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Speaker 1: things they got was actually not alcoholic. But it's like

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Speaker 1: this fancy lemonade from Italy. I mixed that with some

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Speaker 1: for listeners to write this in. We did lemonade as

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Speaker 1: a topic on Savor, the other podcast I do read,

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Speaker 1: and apparently lemonade is not a very big deal outside

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Speaker 1: this your Southern because I have one without having to

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Speaker 1: I can't do that. I can't do a Southern accent either.

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Speaker 1: I got called into an audition once where they're like,

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Speaker 1: an actually reality Well you've heard us. Uh what movie

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Speaker 1: I am currently trying to cast Samantha among other people

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Speaker 1: in our spenty fiction series, and there's there's a part

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Speaker 1: Oh no, indeed, Amantha, And this is coming from a

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Speaker 1: what's your favorite nineties accessory that's no longer? Oh I

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Speaker 1: hit to the late nineties because that was my coming

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Speaker 1: into my own fashion year. So butterfly clips, which have

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Speaker 1: I feel like the nineties fashion was all about being uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: also from an argument I had with my brother's fiance,

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