1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm not going to 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: Stephane never told you a protection of I Heart Radio. 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: So in honor of Pride months, Uh, we're doing a 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: bit of a throwback with the feminist anthology This Bridge 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: called My Back, Writings by Radical Women of Color, first 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: release in nine but even though it's a bit older, 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: it remains one of the most cited works of feminist 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: writing to this day. And it includes art and a 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: range of contributors of color from all kinds of backgrounds 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: and experiences, Black women, Named American women, Chicano women, Asian 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: American women. So many people I read the fortieth anniversary edition, 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: edited by Shari Morega and Gloria and Zildua, so a 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: handful of the original essays were not included, um, and 14 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: a few new ones took your place, which they kind 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: of talked about in the front um. It opens with 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: the preface from our aga that reads the phenomenon of 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: a forty year old This Bridge Called My Back may 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: be best understood as a document of the living legacy 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: of four bears, bound not by blood, but by the 20 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: bridge of intercultural women of color consciousness, the living breadth 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: of which far exceeds the pages and giographies of this book. Um, 22 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: and here's another quote from the preface. This is three 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: black women saying no, no to impunity, no to the 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: murder of black and brown folks by police. This is 25 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: the birth of the Black Lives Matter movement. This is 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: Standing Rock saying no to the Dakota Access pipeline and 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Indigenous activists blocking in Bridge Energy Line three construction in Minnesota. 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 1: This is a meat too movement, first voiced by black 29 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: activists from the Bronx Toronto Burke. This is Bertha ras Ninka, 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: murdered in sixteen defending her land and water rights and Honduras. 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: And this is how Nanni kit Trask, resounding and unequivocal. No, 32 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: we are not American. We will die has Hawaiians, we 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: will never be American. This is women of color feminisms 34 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: spearheading radical action on the ground. In verse every area 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: of anti globalization and human rights movements, including world poverty, 36 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: violence against women, and transliteration. This is intersectionality as a 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: living practice, which I feel like it's a really good 38 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: thesis statement to start out with. And that's sort of 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: So this is the revisiting of the most recent addition um. 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: And it is interesting seeing this work as a living 41 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: tapestry because because it was first published in the nineteen 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: eighties and has had a few new editions, you can 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: see what has changed and what hasn't. And at some 44 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: points it's sort of eerie and prophetic because we know 45 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: what happens. Um. Not that the signs weren't there at all, 46 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: it's just strange reading about them, uh and knowing what's 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: to come and kind of seeing those iterations. Yeah, and 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: just a throw it back. So the fourtie edition was 49 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: copy written in twenty one, and there's been against several renditions. 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: So the added forwards and the added uh and is 51 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: a lot. It keeps going and keep going, and it's necessary. 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting because I did want 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: to go back to a forward where she talks about 54 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: being tired and how that's kind of stretched again into 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: where we are today, especially for women of color, especially 56 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: for the Latina and Black communities and the indigenous communities, 57 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: how tiring it can be continuing still proved themselves to 58 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: white women. Um. And she writes in this that I'm 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: ready to go home now. I am ready very tired. 60 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep at all at night, missing home. There's 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: a deep fatigue in my body this morning, and she's 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: talking about going to do pretty much a pitch meeting 63 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: with this um and she talks about it another meeting again, 64 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: walking into a room filled with white women, a splattering 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: of women of color around the room, and then it 66 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: says below, how can we this time not use our 67 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: bodies to be thrown over a river of tormented history 68 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: to bridge the gap? Barbara says, last night a bridge 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: gets walked over. Yes, over and over again. So that's 70 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: kind of that theme of it's necessary, but once again 71 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: having to do so. And yeah, this is really the 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: nating eighty forty years ago, and it makes me sad 73 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: that we have to come to this point. But that 74 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: feeling of continually having to prove yourself again and again 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: and again as a woman of color doesn't stop, and 76 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: hasn't stopped. And I can't imagine, as she wrote, I'm done, 77 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: Why are we here again? Why this? Why is this 78 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: still relevant? About the fact that they have already done 79 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: this work. They did this work forty years ago, and 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: people before them, women of color, book before, the marginalized 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: communities before them, have done this work already. But we're 82 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: still here again, and at least they have that this 83 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: as a piece of evidence of like, yeah, we did 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: it here, We're going to add more work to it 85 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: so you understand what this is. But I thought it 86 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: was really important that we preface this is a heavy book. Uh, 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: this is something that just shows honestly kind of wanting 88 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: to let white women, no a women of color, marginalis 89 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: women people of color are tired be trying to rally 90 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: marginalized people of color to being like we've been there, 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: We're there, we know, we know it's tiring, and we 92 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: feel you, we feel you, we see you. Yeah, it's 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot, it's a hard read. It's definitely 94 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: a necessary it's really um. Everyone's really honest in it, 95 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: um and unflinching. It's hard to put a content warning 96 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: on it other than it is like topics like of 97 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: use in sexual Assaulter talked about um racial trauma. Definitely, 98 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: nothing has gone into two in depth, but at the 99 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: same time it's still pretty like if that makes sense, 100 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: it is it is very on top of the metaphors 101 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: and the literal um, the letters that talk about the 102 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: battles pleading with those who would call themselves allies to 103 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: truly look at this dealing with our own internalized privileged 104 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: and racism. Like, there's so much to be said with 105 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: all that said, and yes this is tiring, we get it. 106 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: But if you're a white woman and you see you 107 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: uh or a white non binary person and you identify 108 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: as such, I would encourage you to read this and 109 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: to listen, um, whether or not you think you are tired, 110 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: because I think it's very very relevant to that, because 111 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: you need to understand, oh you think you're tired. Here, 112 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: we need you to understand the intersectionality of what feminism 113 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: has been, has become, has been trying to be different, 114 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: but we have to still play the game. So I'll 115 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: put that under the trick awarding. Yeah. Yeah, And it's 116 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: very like you know, we always put these into themes, 117 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: and this one is really hard because this one is 118 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: such a good example of intersectionality that's sort of like, yes, 119 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: this is about sexism, it's also about this and also 120 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: about this, about this. Um. So yeah, it's very very 121 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: thought provoking. It does, um, a really good job of 122 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: making you feel and empathize with the authors. Uh And 123 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: a lot of times, um, we do struggle with picking 124 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: out quotes from books like this, because it's you want 125 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: to paint a good picture, um, And you're like, well, 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to have too much time 127 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: to one thing and not too much time for another 128 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And this one was really really tough, um, 129 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: because you don't want to take things out of context, right, 130 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: and some of its poetry that we don't want to 131 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: butcher some things. We're just not the right people to 132 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: talk about the topics, um. But yeah, we also don't 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: want to give more weight to one issue or one 134 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: person unknowingly. Um. So that being said, uh, including quotes 135 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: from some of these pieces without the whole thing would 136 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: be in disservice. So again, yes, highly recommend reading the 137 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: whole book. Definitely, our conversation around some of these things 138 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: has evolved, but overall it's still incredibly powerful and when 139 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: worth reading. Right. Yeah, And added to that again, Luraga 140 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: does say in her newer afford about the fact like 141 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: with cancel culture, with feeling like all these things, and 142 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: we have our opinions about what cancel culture truly is. 143 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: So that's in itself. But coming back to remember this 144 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: was it written in nineteen eighty where which has not 145 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: evolved to where we are today to be more inclusive, 146 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: thank god. Um. And at this point in time, if 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: there's a word we say that, you're like, what did 148 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: you just say? We don't say that anymore. We get it, 149 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: but it's part of the original, uh, the writings, and 150 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: we're not going to change or or sensor that. So 151 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: if that comes to a point, please understand, this is 152 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: where we are and it's still the way they're talking, 153 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: the way they're saying. It is important that it is 154 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: said yes, yes, yes, yes, um and all of these. 155 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: As we said, this is a book that's a lot 156 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: of it got a lot of people who contributed to it. 157 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: We tried to attribute the quotes to everybody correctly, but 158 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: some of the chapters have like a quote and then 159 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: the person who wrote it. So hopefully we got it 160 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: all correct. I think we did. But right they do 161 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: do a lot of like, hey, we're going to throw 162 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: it back to the previous thing you wrote and we're 163 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: gonna quote that here to the new thing in relating 164 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: to it, and you're like, okay, okay, that's great, but 165 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: wait what I just want to make sure you're giving 166 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: credit words do you okay. So we wanted to break 167 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: this down into themes, but yes, as we said, they're 168 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: all intersectional. Um, we're going to start with abuse, and 169 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: here's a quote from Naomi Little Bear Morena. Her attacks 170 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: were more subtle, hidden within the false shelter of her home. 171 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: Instead of gangs of boys chasing her. Her brother was 172 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the nightly intrusion instead of her young child body to 173 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: masturbate with as she closed her eyes, too numb and 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: scared to speak. We both have no choice but to 175 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: be survivors, though the fears are still there. Whenever I 176 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: see a crowd of men, my heart sinks to my feet. 177 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: Whenever I hear sudden noises, sudden crashing, anger, male noises, 178 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: they're very laughters, abrasive to my ears. I shrink inside, 179 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: walk close to the walls of my soul. I look 180 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: for a place to hide. I think I want to 181 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: include that one because I feel like when you and 182 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: I started, Samantha, we talked about we had that many 183 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: series on trauma, and this is when I read this, 184 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: it just rings so true to me as well that 185 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: I have those of like the laughing of and especially 186 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: and just those memories of like freezing and having to 187 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: survive a horrific experience, and that was something that unfortunately 188 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: did pop up throughout this this book of women having 189 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: similar experiences, right, and it does. I'd like that it 190 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: began with talk about how hard tax were more subtle 191 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: and hidden, because that's kind of that context of the 192 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: big bad wolf versus the reality, and this is more 193 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: common than we know, and when we have it, it 194 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: kind of diminishes what they go through. But you kind 195 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: of leaving that experience, even if you haven't had that 196 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: specific experience, you know that fear. Typically women, all women, 197 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: all of those in the marginal community, have somewhat of 198 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: that fear. UM know it. And then you have to 199 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: take that bigger context of understanding that when we call it, 200 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: when we hide it away as it is, this was hidden, 201 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't disserve us, to the to the victims and survivors. 202 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: But I didn't really think that this level of understanding 203 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: and a wording was really appropriate um for her experience 204 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: and for many of our experiences. Uh. Another one is 205 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: written by Suya Yamada, and she writes last year, for 206 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: Asian segment of the Ethnic American Literature course I was teaching, 207 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: I selected a new anthology entitled I E compiled by 208 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: a group of outspoken Asian American writers. During the discussion 209 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: of the long but thought provoking introduction to this anthology, 210 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: one of my students blurted out that she was offended 211 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: by its militant tone and that as a white person, 212 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: she was tired of always being blamed for the depression 213 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: of all the minorities. I noticed several of her classmates 214 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: eyes nodding in tacit agreement. A discussion of the militant 215 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: voices and some of the other writings we had in 216 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: the course ensued. Surely, I pointed out, some of these 217 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: other writers have been just asked if not more militant 218 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: as the words in this introduction, had they been offended 219 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: by those also, but failed to express their feelings about them. 220 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: To my surprise, they said they were not offended by 221 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: any of the Black American, Chicano or American Indian writings, 222 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: but we're hard pressed to explain why. When I asked 223 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: for an explanation, A little further discussion revealed that they 224 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: understood the anger expressed by the Black Americans and Chicanos, 225 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: and they empathized with the frustrations in sorrow expressed by 226 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: the American Indian, but the Asian Americans. Then finally one 227 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: student said it for all of them. It made me angry. 228 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: Their anger made me angry because I didn't even know 229 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: the Asian Americans felt oppressed. I didn't expect their anger. 230 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Um and yeah, this was so right on again thinking 231 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: back on the nineteen eighty the understanding of the model 232 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: minority was prevalent. This is exactly what this is. And 233 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: when we were talking about the Asian hate that has 234 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: grown even more prevalent as of the past five years, 235 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: three years. It's always been there, but it's just been underlined. 236 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: And this idea that an Asian person was seen as okay, see, 237 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: if you act like them, then you are welcome, which 238 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: is this whole other ring and uh internal fight that 239 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: happens within any marginalized communities when especially when it comes 240 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: to race and ethnicity. And again this is also why 241 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: I had such a problem with Andrew Yang's take on 242 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: why Asian Americans should show uh that level of gratefulness 243 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: to be in America. But this is exactly it, and 244 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: she writes all through it talking about being a Japanese 245 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: American woman, UM, trying to understand within her own culture, 246 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: her parents being like behave behave proved your worth being 247 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: here um. And because she had unknowingly played that role, 248 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: it even fed into her job and she talks about 249 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: her job as the college um. And I thought back 250 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: on that myself, about growing up in mostly white communities 251 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: desperately seeking to be that model minority slash be being invisible. 252 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: I've talked about that before. Whether's trauma, what whether it 253 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: really is race based because I grew up in a 254 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: white town and being seen as a token and thought 255 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: of as oh, cute, look at her. Uh, she's an 256 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: Asian girl. She's different, but she's okay. And being told 257 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: even someone referenced me as white not too long ago, 258 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: and being mothered into well, you're not black, so you're 259 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: white kind of conversation. I was like, but but what 260 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: And these are very known, like they are well read 261 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: what would be considered woke or where uh people saying 262 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: that to me, And it's just it's very much of like, Okay, 263 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: this is that same conversation of being invisible and being 264 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: invisible therefore being accepted because you're not shape rocking the boat. 265 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm only emphasizing and building 266 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: back up this supremacy, white supremacies in their power. But yeah, 267 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: it was lot. It's a lot talk. And she does 268 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: a great job because she has several um pieces in 269 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: here are talking about breaking that down. Yeah, yeah, she 270 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: does a great job. I'm talking about the like the 271 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: violence of invisibility and the destruction of invisibility. And this 272 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: is sort of included at the top because there's a 273 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: lot of talk about hatred and racism and sexism and homophobia, 274 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: um and building up walls and burning up bridges throughout 275 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: um and how it is violence even if maybe we 276 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: don't classify that traditionally in our brain, but like this 277 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: invisibility being violence. Um So it's yeah, very powerful and 278 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: very frustrating, frustrating read so, yeah we also did. Yeah, 279 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: I want to talk about more of the themes around racism, colonialism, 280 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: and class. And here is a quote from Barbara Cameron. 281 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: A theory in the flesh means one where the physical 282 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: realities of our lives are skin color, the land are concrete. 283 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: We grew up on our sexual belongings off used to 284 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: create a politic borne out of necessity. Here we attempt 285 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: to bridge the contradictions in our experience. We are the 286 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: colored in a white feminist movement. We are the feminist 287 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: among the people of our culture. We are often the 288 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: lesbians among the straight. We do this bridging by naming 289 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: ourselves and by telling our stories in our own words. 290 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: The theme echoing throughout most of these stories is our 291 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: refusal of the easy explanation to the conditions we live in. 292 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, uh Again. It's just so like reading this 293 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: and having it from the eighties and seeing where we 294 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: are over time. Um, and having all these really really thoughtful, 295 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: pointed and experienced takes on intersectional feminism that have been happening, 296 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: and having the importance of telling these stories and being 297 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: controlling the narrative. Uh is also something that we see throughout. 298 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: There's also a lot of really honest takes on colorism 299 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: from people who could be white passing even though they 300 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: aren't white, and how they have to kind of grapple 301 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: with that, very very honest, and then a lot of 302 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 1: discussion around shame around race and around customs and around 303 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: culture and having to unlearn all of that. There's also 304 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: any One in Here, a letter written by Audrey Lord 305 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: to a fellow author h called an open letter to 306 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: Mary Dally. So essentially, she was given a book by 307 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: Mary Daly talking about mythology, and there's is she at 308 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: first things is mainly centered around European and white women. Great, great, 309 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: just you know it happens that that is. But then 310 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: there comes up a chapter where it talks about uh 311 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: African women and genital mutilation. She asked, So the question 312 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: arises in my mind, Mary, do you ever really read 313 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: the work of black women? Did you ever read my words? 314 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: Or did you merely finger through them for quotations which 315 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: you thought might valuably support an already conceived idea concerning 316 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: some old and distorted connection between us. This is not 317 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: a rhetorical question to me. This feels like another instance 318 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: of the knowledge, chronology, and work of a woman of 319 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: color being ghetto eyes by a white woman, dealing only 320 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: out of a patriarchal Western European frame of reference. But 321 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was such a color because she comes 322 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: back again, comes back to did you really read any 323 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: work from black women? Or are you using this as 324 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: a weapon against black women? And I really want to 325 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: know the reaction. I'm gonna have to research this later 326 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: because we don't have that because it was powerful, and 327 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: I think we have done this, especially in the wake 328 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter, And I say we are meaning 329 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: any non black person to use words, whether it's hopefully 330 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: like trying to be helpful and or whatnot that fits 331 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: our narrative thinking this is going to do better and 332 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: not truly understanding, crediting and and really empathizing with what 333 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: is being written. And I thought it was so important 334 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: because she put she was set right there, She's not hesitant, 335 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: and she talks about the fact that how this is 336 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: such a violation to her not only as a colleague, 337 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: but just as a woman of color, but just as 338 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: a black woman. UM. And I thought it was something 339 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: really important that we need to talk about and again 340 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: that we still Again it's Audrey Lord who passed away 341 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: in and early nineties writing that and being published at 342 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: this point in time, it's still relevant because it's still happening. UM. 343 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: I hope Mary Daly took that and really grew with that. 344 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine. I don't. It was embarrassing for her. 345 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: She didn't um as a call in though that was 346 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: the original call in with the letters. UM. But I 347 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: think it's so important that we keep talking about stuff 348 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: like that. Another example UM is written by Barbara Cameron, 349 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: going on I spent a part of my childhood feeling 350 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: great sadness and helplessness about how it seemed that Indians 351 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: were open game for the white people to kill, maine, 352 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: beat up, insult, rape, cheat, or whatever atrocity the white 353 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: people wanted to play with. There was also a rage 354 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: and frustration that has not died. When I look back 355 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: on reservation life, it seems that I've spent a great 356 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: deal of time attending the funerals of my relatives or 357 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: friends of my family. During one year, I went to 358 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: funerals of four murder victims. Most of my non Indian 359 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: friends have not seen a dead body or been to 360 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: a funeral. Death was so common on the reservation that 361 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: did not understand the implications of the high death rate 362 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: until after I moved away and was surprised to learn 363 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: that I've seen more dead bodies than my friends will 364 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: probably ever see in their lifetime. Um. Yeah, And again 365 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: going back to with Audrey Laure she talks about that 366 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: to that letter, She's like, do you know the race 367 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: are much higher for those to likely die to get 368 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: breast cancer? All of these statistics in marginalized people because 369 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: it is real, and no one was associating and understanding 370 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: or willing to associate or understand the implications of that 371 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: stakes that. Yeah, the indigenous community for years have been 372 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: screaming about the fact that they have been highly impacted 373 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: by whatever, including the most um, the m M I 374 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: W movement that has finally come to light in the 375 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: last five years, and it's still not that popular and 376 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: still not that understood. Yeah, and and Cameron continues, it 377 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: is inappropriate for progressive or liberal white people to expect 378 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: warriors in brown armor to eradicate racism. There must be 379 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: corresponsibility from the people of color and white people to 380 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: equally work on this issue. It's not just my responsibility 381 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: to point out and educate about racist activities and beliefs, 382 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: which has been a very big top of conversation lately, 383 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: and we've talked about it on this show and absolutely 384 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: absolutely um and as we've also been mentioning throughout this 385 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of thoughtful discussion about this whole idea 386 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: and the history and damage of white feminism, which is 387 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: something else that we have talked about. Um. But yeah, 388 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: that's that's really really important I think that I know 389 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: we discussed before, but um, the damage you can do 390 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: is a white liberal can do as being like, but 391 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: I woke, right, so my work is done, but you're 392 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: not actually doing anything. You just say that, right, and yeah, 393 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna know, we're gonna talk about it. More Morega 394 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: actually talks about the fact that it is not my 395 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: responsibility to do the work for you, and she calls 396 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: that out pretty clearly to the point, um, the author 397 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: that we talked about your Mada talked about going to 398 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: see Morega in the convention. In what she says that 399 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: she's like, do your work. We should not be the 400 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: ones to do this. We're tired, we know this, we 401 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: filled this. We don't have to research it. We are 402 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: the research. Um. And I thought it was very like 403 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: poignant that we remind once again there is this level 404 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: that you keep asking people to do the work again, 405 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: things like this work that we are talking about currently, 406 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: this is the work that you should be reading. It's there, yes, 407 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: and we go on above all else. Our politics initially 408 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: sprang from the shared belief that black women are inherently valuable, 409 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: that our liberation is a necessity, not as an adjunct 410 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: in somebody else's but because of our need as human 411 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: persons for autonomy. This may seem as obvious as to 412 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: sound simplistic, but it is apparent that no other ostensible 413 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: progressive movement has ever considered our specific oppression as a 414 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: priority or worked seriously for the ending of that oppression. 415 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: And that was from the Kambahi River Collective. Um, yeah, 416 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: again we have another. Uh yeah, this is a long 417 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: book and I have marked all through it. If can't 418 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: any you can see I have all these markers. And 419 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: then but talking about that fact is when they think feminism, 420 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: they stop with middle class, upper class white women in 421 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: the story, but for marginalized communities Latino black women, when 422 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: it comes to feminism, to truly be feminists, they have 423 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 1: to break down every barrier and for everybody to have 424 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: the freedom, for them to have that freedom and autonomy. Yes, yes, 425 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: and again it's like it's it's very upsetting, but also 426 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to say rewarding, but like you can 427 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: tell because this is like the eighties, and you can 428 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: see the progression of their thought and like to the 429 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement of like people reading these works 430 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: and then growing and then like thinking and then creating 431 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: an organization like the tapestry aspect of it. It's like, yeah, 432 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: it's very frustrating, but also pretty beautiful to see people 433 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: working off each other's works and like going to other 434 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 1: each other's calm princes and learning from each other. Another 435 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: theme we wanted to touch on is queerness. And here's 436 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: another quote from Moraga. When I finally lifted the lid 437 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: to my lesbian um, a profound connection with my mother 438 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: reawakened in me. It wasn't until I acknowledged and confronted 439 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: my own lesbian um in the flash that my heartfelt 440 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: identification with an empathy for my mother's oppression due to 441 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: being poor, uneducated, and Chicana was realized. My lesbian is 442 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: um is the avenue through which I have learned the 443 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: most about silence and oppression, and it continues to be 444 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: the most tactile reminder to me that we are not 445 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: free human beings. You see, one follows the other. I 446 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: had known for years that I was a lesbian and 447 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: felt it in my bones, had ached with the knowledge, 448 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: gone crazed with the knowledge, wallowed in the silence of it. 449 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: Silence is like starvation. Yeah, just the way that's written 450 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: is so so profound, And as we said there, you 451 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: can't separate all out all these issues because it's all intersectional. 452 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: So it's interesting to sort of see Moraga and how 453 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: she personally experienced this and dealt with it in the 454 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: intersections in her life. Yeah, and I think it's really 455 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: important to remember once again that when they are speaking 456 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: in this level, they fill in the core of them 457 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: of understanding how close or how far they are from 458 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: that freedom that they talk about, from that release, from 459 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: that autonomous moment, and because it is an intersectional issue, 460 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: they are so far away. Even when one seems to 461 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: be closer, it still feels far away because of the other. 462 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Um, it goes on. Cheryl Clark wrote, 463 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: men at all levels of privilege, of all classes and colors, 464 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: have the potential to act out logistically, more realistically and 465 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: violently when they cannot colonize women, when they cannot subscribe 466 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: our sexual productive, reproductive creative prerogatives and energies. And honestly, 467 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: like it's one of those moments of like, yeah, men 468 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: at all level of privilege all then go ahead and 469 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: just simplify that have this moment of understanding that they 470 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: can they have their ability and most likely some level 471 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: of condoning from society to beat that. Yeah. So this 472 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: was a quote about lesbianism and that the author was 473 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: kind of theorizing why it's such a threat two men 474 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: into white supremacy and why people seem to view it 475 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: um as you know, something like is wrong through some ladies, 476 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: they're breaking society. And this was one of her quotes 477 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: about that, of like, we can't control the reproductive rights, 478 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: we can't basically tell women what to do and who 479 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: to be with control their bodies, then that's a problem 480 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: to this society and oppression. So lesbianism would be the 481 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: biggest threat a sort of independent women in general. Yeah, 482 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: m hmmm uh. And then also we wanted to talk 483 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: about sexisms and teams some it's around that. Here's a 484 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: part of a poem from Jenny Lamb and I'm going 485 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: to do my best not to petrup. Why must women 486 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: stand divided building the walls that tear them down? Jill 487 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: of all trades, lover, mother, housewife, friend, breadwinner, heart and spade. 488 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: A woman is a ritual, a house that must accommodate, 489 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: a house that must endure generation after generation of wind 490 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: and torment. Of fire and rain, a house with echoing rooms, 491 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: closets with hidden cries, walls with judge marks, windows with eyes. Yeah, 492 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: I too love it's really I love that you've got 493 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: all the difference. Like you've got poetry, you have letters, 494 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: you have essays, you have artwork, like I love seeing 495 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: all these different creative outlets to express these ideas. Um 496 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: and you know that moth Samantha and I do. You 497 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: love poetry? So we do. Here's another quote from Araga. 498 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: A gay male friend of mine once confided to me 499 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: that he continued to feel that, on some level I 500 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: didn't trust him becau acause he was male. That he felt, really, 501 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: if it ever came down to a battle of the sexes, 502 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I might kill him. I admitted that I might very well. 503 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: He wanted to understand that source of my distrust. I responded, 504 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: you're not a woman. Be a woman for a day. 505 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: Imagine being a woman. He confessed that the thought terrified 506 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: him because to him, being a woman meant being raped 507 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: by men. He had felt raped by men. He wanted 508 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: to forget what that meant. What grew from that discussion 509 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: was the realization that in order for him to create 510 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: an authentic alliance with me. He must deal with the 511 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: primary source of his own sense of oppression. He must 512 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: first emotionally come to terms with what it feels like 513 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: to be a victim. If he or anyone were to 514 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: truly do this, it would be impossible to discount the 515 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: oppression of others except by again forgetting how we have 516 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: been hurt and yet oppressed groups are forgetting all the time. 517 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's an interesting quote because for the 518 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: fact that the first thing his thought his mind went 519 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: to was that, WEST mean, I will be raped or 520 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: I will feel rapes. I mean, that's pretty telling and 521 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: it is. I mean, that's always a privileged attitude to 522 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: be like, well, I don't have to deal with that, 523 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: so I'm going to forget that. Um. And I think 524 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: that that's also a really important point that it's underscored 525 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: throughout this book. Right. Once again, it's kind of that 526 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: reminder of everything being sexualized in the use of women 527 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: in general. It is for that very purpose, um going on. 528 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: She writes, this is the pressor's nightmare, but it's not 529 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: exclusive to him. We women have a similar nightmare. For 530 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: each of us in some way has been both oppressed 531 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: and the oppressor. We are afraid to look at how 532 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: we have failed each other. We are afraid to see 533 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: how we've taken the values of our oppressors into our 534 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: hearts and turned them against ourselves and one another. We 535 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: are afraid to admit how deeply the man's word have 536 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: been ingrained in us. To assess the damage is a 537 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: dangerous act. I think of how, even as a feminist lesbian, 538 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: I have so wanted to ignore my own homophobia, my 539 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: own hatred myself for being queer. I have not wanted 540 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: to admit that my deepest personal sense of myself has 541 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: not quite caught up with my woman identified politics. I 542 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: have been afraid to criticize lesbian writers who choose to 543 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: skip over these issues in the name of feminism. In 544 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, we talk of old gay and butch 545 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: and film role as if they were ancient history. We 546 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: tossed them aside as merely patriarchal notions. And yet the 547 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is that I have sometimes taken 548 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: society's fear and hatred of lesbian's to bed with me. 549 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: I have sometimes hated my lover for loving me. I 550 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: have sometimes felt not woman enough for her. I have 551 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: sometimes felt not men enough. For a lesbian trying to 552 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: survive in a hetero sexist society, there's no easy way 553 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: around this emotion. Similarly, in a white dominated world, there's 554 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: little getting around racism and our own internalization of it. 555 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: It's always there, embodied in someone who we least expect 556 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: to rub up against. Yeah, and I think this is 557 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: a great example of what we've been talking about in 558 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: terms of the authors in their real honesty about these 559 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: things that they're writing about, and how they have internalized 560 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: things and how they have dealt with it and how 561 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 1: it's impacted them and their view of themselves. Uh. And 562 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: I again, like even going back to recent fiction episode 563 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: we did where I said at the top, like I've 564 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: been afraid to share this story because I'm afraid it's 565 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: not feminist enough. I think that the idea haunts a 566 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: lot of us. But I mean, ultimately, you want to 567 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: grow and learn, and to do that, you can't hide 568 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: from that part of you. Um. And that's hard. It 569 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: is hard, especially like to confront like, oh, I'm queer, 570 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: but also maybe I am homophobic too, and how do 571 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: I reconcile that? Um? It's scary and hard, but it 572 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: is so valuable and needed. This's this self loathing that 573 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: perpetuates because society is dictated this is not normal, and 574 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: there's therefore this is not of higher rank. And yeah, 575 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: throughout you see a lot of people talking about wanting 576 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: to be more likely white. There's a couple of other 577 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: examples where it's not necessarily about whiteness, but you know, 578 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: so many of the writers talking about looking to whiteeness 579 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: as the standard of perfection. So therefore feeling really just 580 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: hatred for your own skin color, for your melanin, whatever 581 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: it may be. For me, I am considered. They keep saying, 582 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot of Asian people say yellow at such a 583 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: negative connotation to me that I always say brown, which 584 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: surprises a lot of Asian people. So I don't even 585 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: know how to say that. But in turn, just like 586 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: this level of hatred because again, those schemes, those ideas 587 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: are so uh embedded. And again they talk about that, 588 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: just as she says about how it's just a part 589 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: of us. It is there, it is ingrained into us 590 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: that this is what it should be. So therefore, hate 591 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: yourself because you're not. Yeah, here's the quote from Aurora 592 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: Levin's Morales. The point of terror, of denial, The point 593 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: of hatred is the tight dress stretched across my grandmother's 594 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: big breast, the coquettish, well made up smile grandmother, aunt 595 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: and great aunts, all decked out in sex, talking about 596 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: how I'm pretty, talking about how men are only good 597 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: for one thing, hating sex and gloating over the hidden 598 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: filthiness and everything looking me over in a hurry to 599 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: find me a boyfriend, and in that same breath you 600 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: can't travel alone. You don't know what men are like. 601 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: They only want one thing, women, teaching women our bodies 602 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: are disgusting and dirty, our desires are obscene. Men are 603 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: all sick and want only one sickening thing from us, 604 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: saying you've got to learn how to hold out on them. 605 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: You've got to learn how to hold out on them 606 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: just long enough to get what you want. It's the 607 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: only item you can put on the market, so better 608 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: make it go far. When you have to deliver, lie 609 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: down and grit your teeth and bear it, because there's 610 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: no escape. And that touches on a lot of stuff 611 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: we we discussed on this show quite frequently, and we've 612 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: even been discussing a lot in um not necessarily in 613 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: this context when a lot of the movies we've chosen 614 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: for our feminist movie Fridays is the damage that women 615 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: and particularly women in our own family can do to us. 616 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: But just this whole cycle of like your body is 617 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: dangerous and sexist, gross, but the only thing you're good 618 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: for is your desirability towards men, So you're just gonna 619 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: have to accept it is so toxic and really sad 620 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: that you're just gonna have to accept it and gun 621 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: your teeth and bear it. That whole idea is ruled 622 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: really toxic. And here's another quote from Judith Moskovich. Think 623 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 1: of it in terms of men's and women's cultures. Women 624 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: live in male systems, no male rules, speak male language, 625 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: went around men, et cetera. But what do men really 626 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: know about women? Only screwed up miss concocted to perpetuate 627 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: at the power and balance. It is the same situation 628 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to dominant and non dominant are called 629 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: anizing and colonized cultures countries people. As a bilingual, bicultural 630 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: woman whose native culture is not American, I live in 631 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 1: an American system, abide by an American rules of conduct. 632 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: Speak English when around English speakers, etcetera. Only to be 633 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: confronted with utter ignorance or concoctedness and stereotypes about my 634 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: own culture is something else we've been talking about. And 635 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: a lot of these uh feminist movie Fridays um and 636 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: just in like the reactions to them, I guess more 637 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: so of like, oh, I could never relate to this 638 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: movie about an Asian young girl that doesn't think right 639 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: when you're like really right, I mean it's it's interesting 640 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: as she talks about stereotypes and myths and kind of 641 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: that same story again that ruminates from me with Thermata 642 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: was talking about how people didn't realize we had a 643 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: problem because the model minority meant that we didn't talk 644 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: about the fact that the stereotype you placed on us 645 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: we accepted and move forward with it. And because it 646 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: was made us invisible enough and not to start the waters, 647 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: we're okay with it. But then this again the level 648 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,399 Speaker 1: of like when we do show our culture, we are 649 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: ashamed kind of like we talk about food being really 650 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: important and uh, I know it's a big thing right 651 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: now on social media when we have like white people 652 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: essentially trying new foods and then not liking it. And 653 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: making fun of the typically ethnic food and what that 654 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: means and what that does for those cultures, and how 655 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: that really just again perpetuates the stereotype that is damaging 656 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: and shaming. Um. I mean, that's kind of this whole 657 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: thing with coronavirus, one of the beginning things for the 658 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: Asian hate which has always been around. We know, we 659 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: know the history of the context of everything that happened 660 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: in the past, and in the way that they literally 661 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: outlawed Asian people to come to the US, But all 662 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: of that to say that those types of conversations continued 663 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: to happen in the stereotype and the fact that we 664 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: continue to have to defend did or have a conversation 665 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: about why it's wrong, and then being told calm down, 666 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal, but then being 667 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: lesser because of it such a such a big, bigger thing, 668 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: and yes, and ultimately being colonized and therefore taking credit 669 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: as something new for typically white and European people's. So 670 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: it's like, wait, okay, that's confusing, but okay, I get it. 671 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: Moving on. It says for women, the need and desire 672 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: to nurture each other is not pathological, but redemptive, and 673 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: it is within that knowledge that our real power is rediscovered. 674 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: It is this real connection which is so feared by 675 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: patriarchal world, for it's only under a patriarchal structure that 676 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: maternity is the only social power open to women. Yeah. Again, 677 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: it's it's so hard to describe a lot of this 678 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: book because so much was accomplished, um and through all 679 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: these really powerful voices, and because you do have all 680 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: the Fords and you've seen kind of these changes over 681 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: the years. Uh, just really really recommend it. But it 682 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: does sort of end on ever I say hopeful now, 683 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,320 Speaker 1: it ends on a note of like we can work together, 684 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: we can do this, like we're strong and powerful. Yeah. 685 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: I think it's right, the strong and powerful exactly Sherry Morega, 686 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: who is, yes, the main existing person behind these we 687 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: publishings and this anthology because the co publisher editor died 688 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: a while ago, but she does have this poem in here, 689 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: and I think it's it's perfect for like how she 690 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: wanted this to sound, even though she's so tired. And 691 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: it's called the Welder, and I'm going to try to 692 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: not kill it. So here we go. I am a welder, 693 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: not an alchemist. I'm interested in the blend of common 694 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: elements to make a common thing. No magic here, only 695 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: the heat of my desire to fuse what I already 696 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: know exist is possible. We plead to each other. We 697 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: all come from the same rock, ignoring the fact that 698 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: we've been at different temperatures, that each of us is 699 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: malleable up to a point. Yes, fusion is possible, but 700 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: only if things get hot enough. All else is temporary 701 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: adhesions patching up. It is the intimacy a still melting 702 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: into still. The fire of our individual passions take hold 703 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: of ourselves. That makes sculpture of our lives, builds, buildings, 704 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about skyscrapers, merely structures that can 705 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: support us without fear of trembling. For too long a time, 706 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: the heat of my heavy hands has been smoldering in 707 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: the pockets of other people's business. They need oxygen to 708 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 1: make fire. I am now coming up for air. Yes, 709 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: I am picking up the torch. I am the welder. 710 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: I understand the capacity of heat to change the shape 711 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: of things. I am suited to work with the realm 712 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: of sparks out of control. I am the welder. I 713 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: am taking the power into my own hands. And I 714 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: really love that. I think as much frustration as she 715 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: has talked about throughout the book, throughout the anthology, and 716 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: coming back and revisiting it over and over and over again, 717 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: just remembering that yes, unfortunately, we're not here to make 718 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: it pretty. We're here to make it come together and 719 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: support and strong and untrembling. And I found that to 720 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: be really really beautiful or inspiring, especially coming from a 721 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 1: voice that has seen it repeatedly and is still screaming 722 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: at the top of our lives, what is happening. We 723 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 1: need the solution, and this has been the solution. No 724 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: one's listening, Yeah, yeah, And then we want to include 725 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 1: this quote, which is sort of I think it was 726 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: compiled by several of the writers who contributed to this. 727 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: They call themselves the third World women writer. A woman 728 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,760 Speaker 1: who writes has power or woman with power is feared 729 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: in the eyes of the world. This makes us dangerous, beast. 730 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: So I really liked that. I liked the this idea 731 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,760 Speaker 1: of this book being a powerful tool of of change, 732 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: and I think that it is and again highly recommend 733 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: that you read it. I think if you're looking to 734 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: be an intersexual feminist and this should be definitely audio list. 735 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: It's a powerful tool and I think that it's just 736 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: incredibly valuable and worthwhile. And as you said, they've done 737 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,839 Speaker 1: the work so here. It is also shout out one 738 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: of the people around the world we featured. Christos is 739 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: featured throughout as well, and their work is phenomenal. Yes, yes, 740 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: um so that's the end of this episode, but go 741 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: check it out if you haven't read this book. And 742 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: in the meantime, you know, we love getting suggestions from 743 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: you listeners. You can send those to us at our 744 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: email which is definitely your mom stuff at I hurt 745 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: mea dot com. You can find us on Twitter at 746 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram at stuff I Never 747 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: tells You. Thanks as always to our super producer, Christina. 748 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: She is our welder, She's awesome, and thanks to you 749 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: for listening stuff on our tellers Protection I h Radio 750 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,359 Speaker 1: for more podcast from my Right Radio, BECAUEAH radio app, 751 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 752 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: H