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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined with our guest

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Speaker 3: superproducer Max the Free Train Williams.

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Speaker 4: Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes

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Speaker 4: this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: As you are hearing this, fellow conspiracy realist, it is

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Speaker 3: August fifth. This means that we have survived through July.

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Speaker 3: We're hurtling through summer. It is for reasons that may

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Speaker 3: or may not be disclosed. One of our mutual I

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Speaker 3: won't even say favorite, one of our mutual Mileston owes

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Speaker 3: of the year is the month of August.

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Speaker 5: Talking about the birthday vibes, the consecutive birth bun birthday boys.

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Speaker 3: It's the only real New Year's a person gets. Birthdays

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Speaker 3: are very important to us. We also have so many

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Speaker 3: strange stories to talk about. First off, we were totally right,

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Speaker 3: by the way, hate to be those people. We were

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Speaker 3: totally right about subscription services moving into more and more industries.

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Speaker 3: Logitech is floating the idea of what they call a

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Speaker 3: forever mouse.

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Speaker 4: That's what to say.

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Speaker 5: How does one subscribe to a mouse? I don't care

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Speaker 5: for this. I want to own my mouse, thank you

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Speaker 5: very much.

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Speaker 3: It's very HP, by which I mean Hewlett Packard and

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Speaker 3: maybe HP Lovecraft Potter or maybe Harry Potter. The idea

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Speaker 3: is that it would be a mouse dependent upon regular

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Speaker 3: proprietary software updates, so the mouse stops just like an

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Speaker 3: HP printer. Even if the mouse works, it will stop

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Speaker 3: working for you if you don't pay your fee.

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Speaker 5: Hot take that's dumb. What mouse is a single use function?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: What else do I.

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Speaker 5: Need out of a mouth that I can't get through

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Speaker 5: an iPad or through some other thing that I don't

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Speaker 5: Maybe they can sell me on it, but I am

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Speaker 5: fully against it.

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Speaker 2: It'll be so much more affordable.

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Speaker 4: Guys, stop shill.

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Speaker 2: You'll go for the mouse, big Mouth, local best Buy.

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Speaker 2: You'll pick up a mouse. They'll give you twenty bucks

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Speaker 2: for taking the mouse. All you gotta do is pay

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Speaker 2: ten dollars every month for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, depending upon how you manage your subscriptions.

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Speaker 3: A few months after you die as well before before

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Speaker 3: your estate clears it up. We also, we also do

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Speaker 3: have good news. Right earlier, we're talking about how we

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Speaker 3: were trying to put in some good news in our

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Speaker 3: strange news. So we do have some good news. We

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Speaker 3: do have some astonishing news. We have some conspiratorial takes

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Speaker 3: on the Olympics. Before we do any of that, we

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Speaker 3: have to, of course give our requisite shout out to INTERPOL,

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Speaker 3: both the band and the international law enforcement organization. Did

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Speaker 3: you guys hear about how thoroughly they just busted in

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Speaker 3: international drug conspiracy? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Interpoll never doesn't get enough wins, at least in the

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Speaker 5: public sphere. You know, you don't hear much about the

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Speaker 5: good works of the fine folks at Interpol. So I

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Speaker 5: was happy to see them getting getting a w here.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see people win.

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Speaker 2: There was another thing I wanted to talk with you

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Speaker 2: guys about. I can't find the story right now. Somebody

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Speaker 2: just got arrested and busted. Who's like this international drug

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Speaker 2: overlord guy as far as shipping drugs and using you know,

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Speaker 3: The street name. I find it Yeah, while you're looking

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Speaker 3: for that, Matt, let's let's talk just briefly about the

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Speaker 3: inner Pol conspiracy we're alluding to. Interpool has arrested two

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Speaker 3: hundred and six individuals across Europe, North America, and the

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Speaker 3: Interpool got their hands on one point six US billion

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Speaker 3: dollars worth of illegal drugs and chemicals used to make

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Speaker 3: those drugs. This is an historic bust. Now, you know,

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Speaker 5: Clear, I'm certain, and I have to say, I mean,

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Speaker 5: it comes up in like spy films, you know, from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, neither does Interpol.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they always step out of the lane. Interpol.

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Speaker 5: A quick, tiny just headline note Hamas political leader is

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Speaker 5: Mali Hanayi was killed in Iran, which is I.

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Speaker 3: Believe in Tehran.

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Speaker 4: Deally, Yeah, exactly, a deal, quite a blow to the

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Speaker 3: One could argue, there are many many things happening that

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Speaker 3: with this Interpol arrest, like they busted a genuine conspiracy,

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Speaker 3: they also got sixty five stolen cars, they got thirty

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Speaker 3: thousand military grade detonators, and then they got the classic

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Speaker 3: It's one you can learn more about, should you wish to, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Do we have the name yet?

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Speaker 2: Oh, we do the title of this person whose real

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Speaker 2: name is Milos Redonzik, who's thirty four. He was arrested

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Speaker 2: a citizen of Montenegro and he goes by Pirate of

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Speaker 2: the Unknown.

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Speaker 3: That's the name.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's a pretty good message board handle. It is.

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Speaker 3: It is depending on how you lead it right, how

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Speaker 3: you elite speak that one. But we have so much

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Speaker 3: and then we'll dive right in. And we have returned.

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Speaker 3: Here's a mixtape approach to the first part of our segment.

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Speaker 3: This evening, we've heard from you, fellow conspiracy realist. And

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Speaker 3: one thing we really appreciate is when we can and

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Speaker 3: hit a lot of stories, we get a lot of

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Speaker 3: responses from you, and you are the most important part

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Speaker 3: of this show. We have to say it. We are

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Speaker 3: adults here. Uh I thought of our earlier conversations regarding

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Speaker 3: privacy and freedom on the internet when I learned that

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Speaker 3: this summer, Spain is rolling out something that they are

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Speaker 3: calling a porn passport. Hm, yes, they're there. They also

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Speaker 3: have a pun in there with a It's called a

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Speaker 2: Wait, I don't though.

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Speaker 3: It's a portmanteau of a slang word for masturbation and

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Speaker 3: the passport, so it's kind of like your whackport.

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Speaker 5: It's like a damn I'm trying to think of clever. No,

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Speaker 5: I can't do it. It'll come out of the clear

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Speaker 4: Of nothing in the episode.

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Speaker 3: But or maybe maybe you'll wake up while you're asleep

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Speaker 3: and you'll just scream it out.

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Speaker 4: A jerk order like a work order.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we're on the same They're going to have

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Speaker 3: The the idea is this, Uh. The initiative is part

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Speaker 3: of something called a new digital wallet app. Let's go

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Speaker 3: to Walter Finch, writing for the Olive Press over in Spain.

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Speaker 3: The concept here is get this a little bit paradoxical.

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Speaker 3: It's pitched as a way to preserve a user's anonymity

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Speaker 3: when viewing pornography sexual content online while at the same

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Speaker 3: time knowing enough about them to verify their age. So

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Speaker 3: you have to use an electronic ID, a digital certificate,

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Speaker 3: or something called the Clave system to enjoy pornographic sites

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Speaker 3: in Spain. Once your age is verified in this system,

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Speaker 3: it issues a pack of what they call thirty tokens,

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Speaker 3: valid for thirty days, and then you are off to

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Speaker 3: the races, so to speak, until you use all your tokens,

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Speaker 3: at which point you will be required to prove your

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Speaker 3: age once again. Again. This is pitched as for privacy.

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Speaker 5: Seems kind of counter privacy to me. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: Right on out with.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't know about that makes me uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: Shout out to all our fellow conspiracy realists who are

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Speaker 3: doing some I say cocktail math right now in their heads, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: would I go over the tokens that's on you?

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Speaker 5: Have you heard there's some Republican politician who has something

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Speaker 5: where he like sends his son an inventory of the

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Speaker 5: an effort to curb his impure thoughts or to like

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Speaker 2: The ideas you you have two users, and you both

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Speaker 3: Accountabil a buddy corn pals. Yeah, yeah, and there's uh,

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Speaker 6: I did oh gosh, all right, we're gonna skip some

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Speaker 6: of that because we are a family show.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the family. Under this system, in Spain, heavy

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Speaker 3: who use up all their tokens too early are considered

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Speaker 3: they'll have to go back and verify their identity. Shout

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Speaker 3: out to the old drug addict Dave Chappelle sketch. Someone's

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Speaker 3: they're like, hey, Government of Spain, you've got any more

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Speaker 4: Tokens? Yeah, yeah, it's Can you trade tokens with others?

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Speaker 3: But right now the answer is no. Here is what

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Speaker 3: they Here's what they say. In terms of privacy, the

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Speaker 3: application will be audited and certified by Spain's National Cryptologic

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Speaker 3: users pornography habits and can never be hacked. Here's what

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Speaker 3: you have to do to enter the app. To use

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Speaker 3: your fingerprint, facial recognition, or a code or a pattern.

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Speaker 3: When you are typing the address of a what is

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Speaker 3: considered a pornographic site, a QR code will appear if

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Speaker 3: I've got to say. This is disturbing. It will also

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Speaker 3: be used for online gambling.

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Speaker 4: Does well, that makes a little more sensing. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I know people do have crippling porn addictions that cause

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Speaker 5: and you know, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, hell, the term gooning is very.

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Speaker 5: Popular right now amongst the youth, which is basically a

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Speaker 3: It's the only thing I met at Robert Evans forever

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it makes it, I get it. But it

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Speaker 5: see that. But it also just seems weirdly puritanical for

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Speaker 5: such a you know, kind of laisse fair you know,

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Speaker 5: like let your freak flag fly part of the world

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Speaker 3: But it also I would argue it also goes to

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Speaker 5: terms of like what kind of technology they wanted to

442
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Speaker 5: show off, in terms of how they wanted to kind

443
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 5: of sneak in I guess their ideology, their political beliefs,

444
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 5: you know, their culture into these proceedings, And I think

445
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 5: that's a big part of what we're talking about with

446
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 5: the Paris Games today. But could you speak a little

447
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 5: bit about that before we get into the controversy, just

448
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 5: how that might be a thing people don't really think about.

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00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 3: Sure, yes, and thinking the Olympics from stemistern is a

450
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: diplomatic initiative. It's what we call a soft power initiative,

451
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: which is why so many countries fight to have the

452
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Speaker 3: Olympics staged in one of their cities. Even though it

453
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: is overwhelmingly a tremendous financial loss for the people who

454
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Speaker 3: live in the country, it is a projection of power

455
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: for a lot of people in the realm of you know,

456
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: the policy walks and look. A lot of foreign governments

457
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: are eyes on for the Olympic ceremonies, especially because in

458
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: situations like the Chinese two thousand and eight Olympic ceremony,

459
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: we saw evidence of some really fascinating technology, always used

460
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 3: for peaceful purposes. With a nod and a wink the

461
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: same way, like the same way we say, oh, we

462
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: shot a satellite out of the sky to help space, right,

463
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: to help humanity, pay no attention to the fact that

464
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: also we can shoot stuff out of space from the ground.

465
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: So like the drones in the two thousand and eight

466
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: Olympics are a depiction of dual use technology. The cloud seeding,

467
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: which is a real thing, is another depiction of that

468
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: goes in China, right, yes, sir, Yeah. And the what

469
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: we see in the Paris Olympics, the thing that seems

470
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: to have really riled up some culture war enthusiasts was

471
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Speaker 3: the idea that there was a mockery of certain religions

472
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Speaker 3: or religious scenes. However, the overall thesis of it, if

473
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Speaker 3: you ask Paris, and if you ask the IOC International

474
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: Olympic Committee, was the idea that the world is too

475
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: fun for war. That's basically their thesis, right.

476
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Speaker 5: Well, the scene that you're describing, ben is I think,

477
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 5: first and foremost what has what it's been landed on

478
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 5: as the subject of greatest defense, you know, as you

479
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: know this the.

480
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: Idea to say there were two though they're two, and.

481
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 5: I'll get it the second one later, which I think

482
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 5: is the slightly more badass one in my personal opinion,

483
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 5: But I think this is the one that the community

484
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 5: that is claiming offense has landed on as like the

485
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 5: primary source of their concern, a depiction of what they

486
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 5: describe as the Last Supper, which is of course a

487
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 5: tableau of Jesus and his apostles the night before Jesus

488
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 5: is to be crucified, you know, and then all of

489
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 5: the you know, particular hand gestures and things of that nature.

490
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 5: And it's obviously an iconic image, so iconic in fact,

491
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: that it's been parodied, it's been recreated, it's been used

492
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 5: for like band photos. You know, I believe the Simpsons

493
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 5: did it, because they've done it all because it's just

494
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 5: so recognizable. So you one could argue it's so iconic

495
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: and recognizable that it's kind of beyond offense in many ways.

496
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Speaker 4: But I you know, who am I to say? You know,

497
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: people can be offended by whatever they want.

498
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 5: But the interesting thing is so so they what they've

499
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 5: What they did in this moment in the Olympic, the

500
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four Olympic opening ceremonies was they depicted something

501
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 5: very similar to this tableau, a group of trans and

502
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 5: queer and drag queens and children as well, seated at

503
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 5: a long table kind of again and in this very

504
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 5: artistic kind of tableau, and then a giant serving platter

505
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 5: with a dome and everything is lowered down, and a

506
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 5: scantily clad, let's just say blue painted individual emerges from

507
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 5: this dome and is kind of dressed in flowers and

508
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 5: I believe, like fruit and things like that, but not

509
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 5: wearing much else. And the Olympic folks, and then the

510
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 5: people that designed this, which was an artistic collective of

511
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: some kind.

512
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: It was a few folks.

513
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: It's a massive undertaking the amount of moving parts in

514
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 5: a four hour incredibly highly choreographed, you know, basically the

515
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: most elaborate parade one could imagine a lot of it

516
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 5: actually takes place on water, with different boats and floating devices.

517
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 5: I believe there's even like a water horse kind of

518
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 5: robot thing. At some point they described this as an

519
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: interpretation of the Greek god Dionysus. The individual portraying this

520
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: Dionysus figure is a well known in France singer named

521
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 5: I believe it's Philippe Caterine and again decked out in

522
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 5: grapevines and floral kind of things and not much else.

523
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 5: And a lot of folks that took to Twitter and

524
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 5: various online platforms for outrage believe that this person was

525
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 5: in some way representing Jesus some sort of blasphemous bastardization

526
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 5: of a christ figure. But again, everyone involved in the

527
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 5: production and the Olympic Game's official Twitter account did clarify

528
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 5: that this was in fact a depiction of the Greek

529
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Speaker 5: god Dionysus. The Olympic Games official account did say the

530
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: interpretation of the Greek god Dionysus makes us aware, to

531
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Speaker 5: your point, Ben, of the absurdity.

532
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Speaker 4: Of violence between human beings.

533
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Speaker 5: And I've seen some other discussions about this, the idea

534
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 5: that if you're nude, you can't conceal a weapon. You know,

535
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 5: the early Greek Olympic Games. We know the Greeks were

536
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: hedonistic folks.

537
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: We know this. This is not like a secret.

538
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 5: And in the Olympic Games, you know, are are a

539
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: part an extension of that history. I believe been in

540
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: mant the the Olympians in the earliest games competed fully nude.

541
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Speaker 5: I think that that's that's a f sure.

542
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: And notice they were called Olympians.

543
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: Mount Olympus, you know, the home of the gods.

544
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: The Greek gods.

545
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they are calling back to the history of

546
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 5: the Olympics themselves. France has always been, uh, you know,

547
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 5: a very vibrant community for transness and queer culture and creativity,

548
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 5: you know, and not to mention their history of iconoclastic

549
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: kind of revolution.

550
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: You know, we've heard a little thing called the French Revolution.

551
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Speaker 5: And and to that point, they as a culture, I believe,

552
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: view themselves as very a religious in terms of their

553
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 5: depictions of religious iconography. And I don't believe that there

554
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 5: was any intention to have this be seen as religious

555
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 5: at all, or any of these symbols to be interpreted

556
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: as religious at all. And it may well be because

557
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 5: of that lack of kind of religious centric kind of

558
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 5: thinking that they may have missed the boat a little

559
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: bit in terms of what it might be interpreted as.

560
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Speaker 5: But I would also argue that the point of an

561
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 5: Olympic opening ceremony is to represent that culture their ideals

562
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 5: and what they believe in and what they stand for,

563
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: and the concept of libertais, you know, the idea of

564
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 5: kind of like, you know, let your freak flag fly,

565
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 5: do your own thing, march to the beat of your

566
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: own drummer. That's all very French. This is all taking

567
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: place in Paris, France. So I don't know some of

568
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 5: the people that are outraged by this, or folks like

569
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 5: Candice Cameron, who I believe that she went by when

570
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 5: she was DJ on Full House goes by. I believe

571
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 5: a Candice Cameron Burr now and is much more of

572
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 5: a Christian kind of right wing activist and you know,

573
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 5: UH pundit type individual. She posted uh in a in

574
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 5: an Instagram reel UH that she found it to be despicable,

575
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 5: that she said she was sickened by it and that

576
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 5: it was, you know, offensive to all Christians.

577
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 4: And Rob Schneider.

578
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 5: Also took to the internet to uh to talk some

579
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 5: serious crap about this and and said that you know,

580
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: he found it to be totally offensive to Christians and

581
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 5: he refused to participate in any Olympics that that would

582
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 5: dare to defame.

583
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: Uh.

584
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 5: People of the Christian faith point out, just to mirror

585
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 5: what the guys I love on Internet today had to say.

586
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 5: Dude did dress and drag a lot throughout his career,

587
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 5: and he was in a movie called Little.

588
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: Nikki about the literal devil when the Sun of the

589
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: dak Giuliani. I mean, he couldn't score a role in

590
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: Little Nikki. But you know, life is not life is

591
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: not measured in one hundred percent wins. I have a

592
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: proposition for you guys and all our fellow conspiracy realists,

593
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: do consider context. Let us also remember that the nation

594
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: of France narrowly avoided descending into far right fascism only

595
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: months ago, not even months very recently, and so it

596
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: is quite possible, if not probable, it is quite possible

597
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: that this is in some ways a reaction to that threat,

598
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: or a celebration of surviving that ideological fire. Would I

599
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: would also posit I would also posit this the people

600
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 3: propagating this as a attack on religion are trying to

601
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: fill the slow news day of the culture war. Because

602
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: the US election cycle encountered some Shyamalan plot twist here,

603
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: people who need outrage for their machines to function had

604
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: to find some new gas, and so this is perfect

605
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: for that, especially if it is just a picture that

606
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: seems very theatrical, a headline about a threat something. You know,

607
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: we used to call it a nugget, right, a nugget.

608
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 3: How stuff works. You don't have to read much, you'll

609
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: have to go the context. You can just share it, right,

610
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: you can just retweet that or whatever. And I think

611
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: that's it. I think it's because the pre planned outrage

612
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: cycles were rendered moot due to some election shenanigans, some electionanagans,

613
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: and so now that thank you sir. Now this is

614
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: slotted in where the earlier stuff was supposed to be,

615
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: and I think it'll be ephemeral.

616
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: Resolutely is highly ephemeral because it's sort of a non issue.

617
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 5: I am bummed though, that the Olympic Committee, which has

618
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: an ironclad grasp on all footage and logos and branding

619
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 5: related to the Olympics, they'll they'll issue a copyright claim

620
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 5: against you. Make your head spin has fully removed footage

621
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 5: of this from all accounts. Marvelous ceremony that seemed really

622
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 5: artistic and fascinating, and I didn't catch it, so I've

623
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 5: only seen little clips here. I just want to end

624
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 5: with the other candidate for outrage that quickly took back

625
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 5: seat to the Dionysus thing.

626
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: A French metal band called Gojiro, who are awesome.

627
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 5: They performed on these like parapets, like on this incredible

628
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: French castle that I believe used to be a prison

629
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 5: that was even involved in the French Revolution itself. Paris

630
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 5: is a conciergerie palace, and they did a French language

631
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 5: rendition of an anthem, a nineteenth century French anthem ah

632
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 5: ca irah, I believe, and I'm not a native French speaker,

633
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: so forgive mispronunciation there. But some of the other windows

634
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 5: are all filled with images remind me of the Haunted

635
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 5: Mansion and Disney of this decapitated Marie Antoinette's all singing

636
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: along operatically to this. It's an incredible feat of production.

637
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 5: There's flames everywhere. It's really badass. There's even an opera

638
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 5: singer that floats by on the mast of a ship

639
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: as part of that other the water kind of parade

640
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 5: we were talking about. And I just want to leave

641
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: the last word to some actual French people. One of

642
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 5: the singer, I believe, Joe Duplantier of Gorgeiro, had this

643
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: to say of the notion that what they were doing

644
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 5: was satanic. He goes, it's none of that. It's French history.

645
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 5: It's French charm, you know, beheaded people, red wine and

646
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 5: blood all over the place. It's romantic, it's normal. There's

647
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 5: nothing satanic. France is a country that made a separation

648
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 5: between the state and religion during the Revolution, and it's

649
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 5: something very important, very dear to the found foundation of

650
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 5: Republican France.

651
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: We call it la cite.

652
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 5: It's when the state is not religious anymore, so therefore

653
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 5: it's free in terms of expression and symbolism.

654
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: It's all about history and facts.

655
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 5: We don't look too close at symbolism in terms of religion.

656
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 5: Bottom boom. I think that's a great last word. You

657
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Speaker 5: guys have anything to add on, that's I yield my time.

658
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Speaker 5: I think it's a fascinating story and a great example

659
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Speaker 5: of that. What are they trying to bring back the

660
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: Satanic panic and to what end? To your point, Ben,

661
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Speaker 5: I think it is just lazy attempt to fill the

662
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Speaker 5: news cycle with outrage.

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Speaker 2: I would just point out, boys, I was a part

664
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Speaker 2: of that weird ceremony in the year two thousand, remember,

665
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Speaker 2: and the preparations for that were a year long minimum.

666
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: So like this thing has been in the works for

667
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Speaker 2: a long time, that.

668
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Speaker 4: A fascist party has been bubbling for a long time.

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Speaker 2: As well, so that I'm with been there on that

670
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: idea that this is. You know, it's a way to

671
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Speaker 2: make a through culture and art, make a statement right

672
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: doing that, and you've been planning it that long and

673
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Speaker 2: it really does feel to me again kind of as

674
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: you said, there have been. It's the kind of thing

675
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: that gets a lot of attention and hopefully gets viewers

676
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: watching the Olympics and not boycotting the Olympics. I don't know.

677
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: I caught. I glimpsed up at a screen where I

678
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Speaker 2: was when those were going on, and I saw that

679
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: tableau one of those shots, and I just went huh.

680
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Speaker 2: And then I didn't watch any more of it. And

681
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Speaker 2: I wonder how many people had that happen before they

682
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: got caught in this hole, as you guys said, the retweeting,

683
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: re sharing, reposting thing. It's like, look at this, how

684
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Speaker 2: dare they?

685
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Speaker 5: Well, let's take a quick break or a word from

686
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Speaker 5: our sponsor and then come back with one more piece

687
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Speaker 5: of strange news.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. We're going to hit a couple of

689
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Speaker 2: stories here. We had prepared something about climate and some

690
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: potentially catastrophic stuff that is coming our way, but it's

691
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: coming our way anyway, and if we want to talk

692
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: about it, maybe we do a larger piece on this

693
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: specific thing. You can look it up if you want to.

694
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Speaker 2: It's called the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation, which is a

695
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: current system that goes across the oceans, and it basically

696
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: moves warm and cold water around. It sends warm water

697
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Speaker 2: to places that it needs to go. It's a huge

698
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: interconnected system that's beneath the oceans, and it might be

699
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: slowing down. It does seem to be slowing down. It

700
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: does seem to be potentially the kind of thing that

701
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Speaker 2: stops crops from being able to be grown on planet

702
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Speaker 2: Earth in large areas.

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Speaker 4: That's not good.

704
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Speaker 2: It sucks and I don't want to talk about that

705
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Speaker 2: right now.

706
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Speaker 4: Cool, what else you got?

707
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about something nicer. But if you

708
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: do want to look up the story about that, you

709
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 2: can find it in Wired. It was posted on July

710
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: twenty fifth, written by Sandra Upton. The title is how

711
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Speaker 2: soon might the Atlantic Ocean break? Two siblings? Scientists found

712
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: an answer and shook the world. Very good read, very

713
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: long and depressing, but you should probably learn about it.

714
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Speaker 4: Go for it.

715
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Speaker 2: But for now, let's turn our eyes to the country

716
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: of China and an awesome breakthrough that they just had

717
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: that very well could affect all of us, because this

718
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: could be a new technology or a new way to

719
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: generate electricity and power that is green and would be

720
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 2: a lot safer, even than a coal burning power plant,

721
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Speaker 2: allegedly according to the folks that have created the factory

722
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Speaker 2: and are vetting it at this time. Let's go to

723
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Speaker 2: the Independent dot co dot uk. They've got an article

724
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Speaker 2: titled China unveils meltdownproof nuclear power plant in clean Energy

725
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: Breakthrough Clean Nuclear. You said, melt down proof. That sounds great.

726
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: We know nuclear energy is a great way to generate

727
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: lots and lots of power pretty quickly. It's the safety thing.

728
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: It's always been that issue. Huh And oh yeah, what

729
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: do you do with it once it's done making all

730
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Speaker 2: the electricity.

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Speaker 4: Airan in the desert?

732
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Well, look, if if you're to believe what's

733
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: being written about this, this could be a technology that

734
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Speaker 2: would prevent something like what happened at Fukushima, where the

735
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Speaker 2: rods of materials that are generally dipped down into water,

736
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Speaker 2: which you know, produce all the bubbling water and the steam.

737
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: Those rods would go away, those things that melt down,

738
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Speaker 2: it would go away in this new system because they

739
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Speaker 2: have designed this weird they call it a pebble bed reactor.

740
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Speaker 2: Sounds a little bit weird. They are basically small amounts

741
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Speaker 2: of the same like uranium whatever you're gonna use, whatever

742
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Speaker 2: nuclear material you're going to use for this uranium. They're

743
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Speaker 2: inside these poolball sized graphite things that then all sit

744
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: down and instead of in water, they at least in

745
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Speaker 2: water because water is what you know generates the steam

746
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Speaker 2: to create the electricity. Water is also the cooling mechanism

747
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: for these rods to keep them at a steady temperature.

748
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: If they get too hot, that's when you have the meltdown.

749
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Speaker 2: They then literally melt through the concrete and all the

750
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Speaker 2: other the structure that is your power plant. These pebbles,

751
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: apparently because of the way they're formed, do not get

752
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Speaker 2: as hot when they operate, and they are using helium

753
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: to cool them rather than just water helium, it can

754
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Speaker 2: get to a much higher temperature before there are major

755
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Speaker 2: issues with it. This is potentially a huge breakthrough, guys,

756
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: when I think about it being you know, potentially put

757
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Speaker 2: across the world in places where you can now have

758
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Speaker 2: this type of nuclear reactor rather than a coal burning

759
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Speaker 2: power plant. I really quickly wanted to talk with you

760
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Speaker 2: guys about this. We've mentioned many times on this show.

761
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Speaker 2: One of the problems with technology like nuclear technology and

762
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Speaker 2: power generation is that countries that don't have the amount

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Speaker 2: of money to put into research, to put into development,

764
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Speaker 2: to then have engineers go through and build giant nuclear

765
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Speaker 2: power plants. They have to rely on other technology that's

766
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Speaker 2: just a couple of steps behind, maybe a ton of

767
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Speaker 2: steps behind, to generate the power they need, which would

768
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Speaker 2: be more pollute, exactly, way more polluty. If I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you guys think? You think

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a larger impact the world over

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Speaker 2: with this kind of thing?

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Speaker 5: The problem is, I mean, this is, first of all,

773
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Speaker 5: I'm blown away that there haven't been this kind of

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Speaker 5: advancements in nuclear technology for as long as we've been

775
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Speaker 5: using nuclear technology. Like I'm sure there have been some

776
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 5: subtle changes and infrastructure, you know, I guess workflow, you know,

777
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Speaker 5: streamlinings and things like that, but largely, if I'm not mistaken,

778
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Speaker 5: the technology that's used to generate power through a nuclear

779
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 5: reactor has largely stayed the same. The big problem that

780
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Speaker 5: I see here is a Southern company here in Georgia

781
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Speaker 5: have been building an additional reactor at Plant Vogel near

782
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Speaker 5: Augusta for like going on a decade now, if not more,

783
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Speaker 5: And it's just it keeps being slowed down by regulatory stuff.

784
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Speaker 5: It keeps being slowed down by overages, and it's just

785
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 5: like to now say, oop, sorry, guys, we've got to

786
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Speaker 5: start over with this new pebble stuff. I would be

787
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Speaker 5: interested to see what the costs for retrofitting and existing

788
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Speaker 5: plant would be, because it's it's impossible. The reactor is

789
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Speaker 5: made by Westinghouse and you buy the reactor, so you're

790
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 5: you're in it, baby. Once you got that reactor and

791
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Speaker 5: you spent the money and installed it and developed it

792
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Speaker 5: over the span of decades, you know, years and years

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Speaker 5: and years and years.

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Speaker 4: You're invested and you're all in, and I don't know

795
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Speaker 4: how you can walk that back.

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Speaker 3: The fancy term for that would be path dependency, right,

797
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Speaker 3: That's what a lot of oil dependent countries have run

798
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Speaker 3: into as well as oil well. By path dependency, here

799
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Speaker 3: we're seeing a multi variable pickle.

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Speaker 4: Right.

801
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Speaker 3: It's a real bag of badgers because you could take

802
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: something like KSA Saudi Arabia. They're dependent largely on fossil

803
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: fuels for domestic energy production, but they're also economically dependent

804
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Speaker 3: upon exportation of fossil fuels, meaning that to a country

805
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Speaker 3: with all of its petroleum eggs in one basket. Is

806
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Speaker 3: something like nuclear technology could be seen as an enormous

807
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: threat to your point and no, yes, excellent question. Maybe

808
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Speaker 3: throw to you here, Matt. From my understanding the current

809
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Speaker 3: first we have to know China's new project, or the

810
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: new revelations about it, I should say, are our best

811
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Speaker 3: in class as far as we can tell from the claims. However,

812
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: they are not the only thing out there using an

813
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Speaker 3: alternative to water as a cooling mechanism. I think of Wyoming.

814
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Speaker 3: There's another. There's a plant that they're refitting the old

815
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Speaker 3: footprint of a fossil fuel plant, a coal plant, to

816
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: use liquid sodium as a coolant. This is an exciting thing.

817
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: I think you're right, Matt when you point out that

818
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: this is reporting coming through several filters. We can file

819
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: this as big if true, but we also know it

820
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: seems pretty legit at this point. The main problem production

821
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Speaker 3: wise is that you run into path dependency. We can't

822
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Speaker 3: make those old or current reactors, we can't make them

823
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Speaker 3: into that this is a new thing.

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Speaker 4: Yep, really quickly they broke ground.

825
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Speaker 5: There's two new units at Plant Vogel in Burt County, Georgia.

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Speaker 4: In June of two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 5: It was supposed to be done two units by twenty seventeen,

828
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Speaker 5: but because of the delays and overruns, it.

829
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Speaker 4: Reached the billion thirty billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: Unit three only just started operation July thirty first of

831
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Speaker 5: last year, and Unit four isn't scheduled to start commercial

832
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Speaker 5: operation until actually supposedly was April twenty ninth of twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four.

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Speaker 4: So that's yeah, you can't turn back the clock on that.

835
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Speaker 5: And there are other companies that make what are called

836
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Speaker 5: small modular reactors and things that are a little less

837
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Speaker 5: you know, all in kind of.

838
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Speaker 4: But even those you know, you say, small modulu rected.

839
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Speaker 4: It's not like you can put in your garage, but

840
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Speaker 4: it's so cool, Matt, And I hate to poo poo

841
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Speaker 4: all of this. I hate that any of us.

842
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Speaker 5: It's just like, how do you restart the clock, you

843
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: know on these giant projects that are already so far along,

844
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Speaker 5: And like, yeah, I.

845
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Speaker 2: Don't think you can because ultimately that becomes profit motive

846
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 2: for the companies building the reactors, and the states and

847
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Speaker 2: countries that are gonna you know, buy the power from

848
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Speaker 2: the power generation. You can't. You just got to build

849
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: new ones. If you then look a little deeper, it

850
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: does seem like this is one play by trying to

851
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Speaker 2: wean itself off of coal at least in the long term, right,

852
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 2: and hopefully it's going to be another way forward. Even

853
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: if we do have dangerous nuclear reactors. You just got

854
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: to hope that the operators of those are really careful

855
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Speaker 2: and some natural disaster like in the case with Fukushima,

856
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 2: doesn't come through and you know, knock power out to

857
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Speaker 2: all the systems that cool your stuff Downright, Yikes.

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Speaker 3: It works great, so long as it works, which is

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Speaker 3: a quote from one of my old professors.

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Speaker 5: Totally yes, Not to mention that the cost of this

861
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Speaker 5: kind of stuff will almost inevitably get passed on to

862
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Speaker 5: rate hikes for the end users.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's another story we didn't get to about

864
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: a US. A part of the US is going to

865
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Speaker 3: start charging customers for not using electricity. Yes, they have

866
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Speaker 3: their own off the grid alternative sources.

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Speaker 2: Louisiana like, we'll get you with a power bill anyway.

868
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Speaker 3: Bump up. But that's the world we lived. I will

869
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Speaker 3: say that this technological breakthrough is a net positive something

870
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: being meltdown proof quote unquote, does address one of the

871
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Speaker 3: primary dangers of nuclear technology, not the not the only

872
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Speaker 3: primary danger, because there's still nuclear weaponry and they're kind

873
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: of the same thing, so you got to keep you

874
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 3: an eye on that. But I would say, Matt, this

875
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: is this is a breakthrough on the level of the

876
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: boneless chicken wing.

877
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 5: It's not a chicken wing, it's a chicken nugget. I

878
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 5: will die on this head.

879
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that. I want to know how

880
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: you guys feel about boneless boneless wings. I remember when

881
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: I was a younger lad when boneless wings became an

882
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: option at some of my favorite places to get chicken wings.

883
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: I was elated when I don't got to deal with

884
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: the bones anymore. Heck, yeah, this is amazing.

885
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 4: Because kids like chicken nuggets.

886
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: Matt, So tell me, tell me, how do you guys

887
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: feel about a boneless wing.

888
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 4: I've made my position clear.

889
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 3: In terms of.

890
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 2: What I don't know. What are your thoughts, any terms

891
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: you you give them to me, any term you got.

892
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: An abiding interest in the international economics of the chicken

893
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: trade would be the first and most unfun way to

894
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: say it. But it is true because there is this

895
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: There are so many things that happen to chicken in particular.

896
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: Before these things get to the plate, right, or get

897
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: to your local chicken spot, shout out to the local

898
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: the wings advertised as boneless. It strikes me, Matt and

899
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 3: nol and fellow conspiracy realist, it strikes me as one

900
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 3: of those somewhat fatuous terms, like you know, when you

901
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: see all natural on a cereal box, there's not really

902
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: a way like it's. It seems dumb and maybe a

903
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 3: little legalistic, But you could say, hey, we're selling, to

904
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 3: Nole's point, we're selling this process leftover chicken that has

905
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 3: been mushed up into the shape of something vaguely winged like,

906
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: and we can call it a chicken wing boneless, and

907
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: that may be operationally different from a de boned chicken wing. However,

908
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: you know, chicken wing itself is already a little bit

909
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: a little bit dicey in terms of how it's sold

910
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: because what there are, flats and drums and drumsticks are

911
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: not wings, but they're sold as wings. So I think

912
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: they're playing with the terms of definition here is.

913
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: That Yes, I think I think that's what we're dealing with. Uh,

914
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: this is what the Ohio Supreme Court had to say

915
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: in a four to.

916
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: Three thank God, great God, I feel like a weight

917
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: has been lifted.

918
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 4: Thank you. All right next to ja rule things, but

919
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 4: please well is.

920
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 3: Jaw Rule the chief justice of the Ohio Supreme Court.

921
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 4: He's the power behind the throne.

922
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 3: There's always room from home lifting, Matt, Sorry, okay, yeah,

923
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 3: what is it?

924
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: I anyway, I just returned from Ohio. That's where I

925
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: was when I wasn't on those episodes, guys, and I

926
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 2: did take a little dip in Lake Erie, and I'm

927
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: happy to report that I only saw two very dead

928
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: perch hanging out, very large fish, all white and dead,

929
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: right in the area where I was swimming with my son,

930
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: and that was.

931
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: Where they were floating. They were.

932
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: They were floating vertically.

933
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 4: Belly were no not belly up.

934
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: One of them was belly up, one of them was

935
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: belly down. One of them looked a lot I wish

936
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: as the waves moved it closer and closer to shore.

937
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: Not fun anyway, The Ohio Supreme Court said in a

938
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: four to three ruling that quote boneless wings refers to

939
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: a cooking style, and anyone who is eating a boneless

940
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: wing should be on guard against bones. Since it's common

941
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 2: knowledge that chickens indeed have bone. You have bones.

942
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 5: They haven't yet invented the boneless chicken. I know they've

943
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 5: been trying. You know, remember those conspiracy theories about there

944
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 5: being like a boneless chicken or like this chicken bread

945
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 5: for its nuggets.

946
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: It's like a centipede. Yeah, yeah, the future is ours. Also,

947
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: I want to if okay with you guys, I want

948
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: to give a shout out to a sho that our

949
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: old discovery alum Trace Dominga's does called that's absurd. Please elaborate.

950
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 3: They have an episode coming out about what a human

951
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 3: life would be like if humans had no bones, and

952
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: maybe this this is a similar thing though, because the

953
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: Ohio is okay, First, I have so many questions and

954
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 3: I know we've got a I want to be respectful

955
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 3: of your time here, Matt. But also, how did this

956
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: get to the Supreme Court of Ohio?

957
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 7: Ah?

958
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: Well, it went through the lesser courts. This thing that

959
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 2: happened with this guy named Michael Berkheimer who was hanging

960
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: out in Hamilton, Ohio. He got boneless wings with parmesan

961
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: garlic sauce.

962
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 3: It's just the way.

963
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he.

964
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: Got a little choked up on a piece of one

965
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: of his boneless wings, got it out of his throat,

966
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: I guess. And then three days later came down with

967
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 2: a fever and he was feeling really sick. He was

968
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: trying to understand what's going on. He couldn't keep any

969
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: food down, so he went to the er and a

970
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: doctor found a long, thin bone that torres esophagus and

971
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: caused an infection.

972
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 3: Have fun in your nightmares tonight, now, do you guys?

973
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 4: Remember?

974
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 5: Yes, I ate a fish and I got a bone stuck.

975
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 5: It was like we were on tour doing live shows

976
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 5: and it was there. I felt it for days.

977
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 4: I think it got into my head bad. I have

978
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: a very sensitive gag Reeflece.

979
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: I think it scratchedus a little bit, and I.

980
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,479
Speaker 4: Was just feeling the scratch. But y'all, that is no joke.

981
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 5: Do not mess with with bones if you if you've

982
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 5: swallowed one, because they really could just stick around there

983
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 5: and then an infection would be inevitable.

984
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what happens to our guy in Ohio.

985
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: Well Berkheimer. Three days after after the doctor's stuff, He's like,

986
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: what the heck happened? Oh, it must have been that time.

987
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: I choked and that was a boneless wing. Howld there

988
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 2: was boneless hell. So we sues the restaurants on Brookwood.

989
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: You're sued, he said, Oh jeez. He said they failed

990
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: to warn him that the boneless wings, which are you know,

991
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: nugg a boneless skinless breast meat, contain bones and it.

992
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: He named the supplier as well, the person who actually

993
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: like sold that restaurant the boneless wings there, Purdue or whatever, yes, exactly,

994
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: said they were negligent. You're all negligent. You're gonna pay me.

995
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: And it went through the lower courts, it got dismissed,

996
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: got to the Supreme Court, and it basically got dismissed again.

997
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 5: Now, now with within these proceedings, did it come to

998
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 5: light as to how these bones? Is there a different

999
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 5: process for boneless wings than there is for chicken nuggets?

1000
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 5: And I hate that I am harping on that, But

1001
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 5: the implication there would be, to Ben's point, that it

1002
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 5: is in some way deboned as opposed to some slurry

1003
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 5: that is then formed into a shape and deep fried.

1004
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: It depends because different suppliers and different products. There's a

1005
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: whole bunch of different things. Right, we learned about the

1006
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: pink slime chicken stuff that becomes really nuggets that we've seen, right.

1007
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 3: Sure check out our earlier episodes.

1008
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bit into one of those, and it's this.

1009
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 2: It's definitely not the same tissue that you would find

1010
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: if you cooked a whole chicken or something.

1011
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 6: It's I like the little tumory things, right, you guys

1012
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 6: know when you get a good it's like a juicy,

1013
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 6: evil booger.

1014
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: Oh god, God.

1015
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: Chicken nugs for a lot of us.

1016
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: Please message me if you want some notes on your

1017
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: nightmares face. Okay, but some, as you're saying.

1018
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: Some other chicken products are actually breast meat or the

1019
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: tenderloin or.

1020
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 5: Usually say that meat or something like it'll say that

1021
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 5: on the packet, or you know, if you're buying it frozen, for.

1022
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: Example, mechanically separated boneless wings.

1023
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: Yes, which which could be this kind of stuff. Like

1024
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 2: a lot of places use. It's not rib meat of

1025
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: a chicken. It's the it and it's not wing meat

1026
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: either's the thy meat generally that gets used. That piece

1027
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: of thy meat is then kind of just turned into

1028
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: a shape with some of the same chemicals and substances

1029
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: they used to smash that meat together. Which is kind

1030
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: of like that listeria thing with boar's head when they

1031
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: when you get that packaged meat like ham, that's really

1032
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: nice shape every time. Somehow.

1033
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's the story you did get to.

1034
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: I love You're sorry that out I had that in

1035
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: the notes as Bay of Piglets. One ushead has recalled

1036
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: seven million more pounds of Deli meat due to a

1037
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: huge listeria outbreak.

1038
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 2: Oh that came up while we were on vacation and

1039
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: we had I had boar's head ham sitting in my

1040
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: house and I also had some on the way to

1041
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: feed my kid up there in Ohio.

1042
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: H Yeah, but this okay, So how how does this

1043
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 3: all work out? The like you said at the Ohio

1044
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: Supreme Court, their version in Diana Ross and the Supremes

1045
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 3: found that chicken wings can have bones, even if advertised

1046
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 3: as boneless, because they're already not technically chicken wings, and

1047
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 3: boneless is a cooking method.

1048
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's not standardized though you literally asked that

1049
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 5: question and you said it depends. So it's almost more

1050
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 5: like it's not describing a process that is regulated. It's

1051
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 5: just an advertising mechanism and it doesn't mean a damn thing.

1052
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a silly thing. If you're buying meat that

1053
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: came from an animal, that probably.

1054
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 4: Boneless wings gets a gimmick and total.

1055
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: It just depends on how much you trust the factory

1056
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: that is producing that product, and how much you trust

1057
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: the company I guess that owns that factory and all

1058
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 2: that other stuff. We're going to talk about another factory

1059
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 2: thing in our listener mail this week, so this is

1060
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: a whole other thing we can get.

1061
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm excited about that one. I've been pretty deep in

1062
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: that one.

1063
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, I am just learning about it, but

1064
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: it's fascinating. I'm going to read this one quote from

1065
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: Justice Joseph T. Dieters, who wrote for the majority. Here

1066
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: he says, see if you guys can decode this a

1067
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: little better than I can. He says, a diner reading

1068
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: boneless wings on a menu would no more believe that

1069
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 2: the restaurant was warranting the absence of bones in the

1070
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: items then believe that the items were made from chicken wings,

1071
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: just as a person eating chicken fingers would know that

1072
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 2: he had not been served fingers.

1073
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, makes sense.

1074
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 5: It's referring to a shape or like a style of

1075
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 5: presentation more than anything. And I just googled boneless wings

1076
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 5: and your story came up more than anything. But I

1077
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 5: believe there are some contest or something and Popeye's boneless

1078
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 5: wings one.

1079
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 4: Pig and a lot of people dropping arms about that.

1080
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 5: But I came up with this article from ap from

1081
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three around the Super Bowl time, how the

1082
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 5: boneless wing became a tasty culinary lie. So that's the

1083
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 5: headline that I think it's the bill for this entire discussion.

1084
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 6: To the point of again, I know I'm I do,

1085
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 6: I'm freestyling here, But to the point of your question

1086
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 6: at unpacking the legal opinion, there is a bit of

1087
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 6: a semantic stretch there by saying, hey, you know, chicken

1088
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 6: fingers aren't really the.

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Speaker 3: The filangies of chickens, right talent, Yeah, you know, they're

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Speaker 3: not the talons. Chicken feet are an entirely different product. Sure,

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Speaker 3: but you really enjoy once you get past the gelatinous bones.

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Speaker 3: But there cartilogenous bones, I should say, but once. But

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Speaker 3: the stretch there, I guess the part that makes it

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Speaker 3: an opinion is the idea that because people know chicken

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Speaker 3: fingers are not chicken fingers, they should therefore be assumed

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Speaker 3: to know that chicken wings are not always chicken wings,

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Speaker 3: which is a little bit it's a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a linguistic right there.

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Speaker 2: But the word boneless is in there, and that's how

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Speaker 2: it's advertised, which is it's the thing that I think

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Speaker 2: that's the reason why the dissenting judges called that reasoning

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Speaker 2: quote utter jabberwockee.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen that one good poppy cock.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, jabberwakie, that's fabulous. No, it's a style.

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Speaker 5: It's a it's a stylistic choice, you know, it's like

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Speaker 5: a menu item, kind of bit of trickery. I'm trying

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Speaker 5: to think of other can you guys think of other

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Speaker 5: examples of that? Like shoe string fries aren't made of.

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Speaker 4: The strings, you know, boneless.

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Speaker 3: Lady fingers, the lady fingers are not lady fingers.

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Speaker 2: Well, for for me, it's like buying a lot of

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Speaker 2: let's say, fish, like fish filets that have been prepared

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Speaker 2: to buy at a grocery store. Every one of those

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Speaker 2: fish has bones in it, right, it's been deboned by

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Speaker 2: somebody somewhere.

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Speaker 4: You might catch one, though, bro, you might from experience.

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Speaker 2: You might and if if this is, in fact a

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Speaker 2: meat product that had a bone in that piece of

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Speaker 2: chicken that was used to create the wing, the boneless wing.

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Speaker 2: Then that's one thing. If it's a whole other, you know,

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Speaker 2: system of producing whatever that piece of meat is, it's

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Speaker 2: another thing.

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Speaker 3: The FDA is compromised. There is a difference between d

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Speaker 3: boned and boneless. As it's being sold. Again, I don't

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Speaker 3: want to lose that joke. But if you have never

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Speaker 3: tried Lady Fingers, let me just manage some expectations. It

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Speaker 3: is a dessert. It does not contain human flesh.

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Speaker 5: Oh oh, and speaking of witch, just last last thing

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Speaker 5: for me, the purported inventor of Taram Sue, the delightful

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Speaker 5: Italian dessert which is made of Lady fingers soaked in espresso, mascarpone,

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Speaker 5: cheese and cocoa powder.

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Speaker 4: And I believe one other thing passed away.

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Speaker 5: I didn't even realize it was like a modern, relatively

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Speaker 5: modern invention and tear me Sue, one of my favorite

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Speaker 5: desserts of all time.

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Speaker 3: The future is now.

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Speaker 4: The future is every.

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Speaker 2: No, sorry, it's boneless.

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Speaker 4: It's boneless. That's what the future is.

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Speaker 2: Bless ed.

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Speaker 3: This is where we pass it to you folks. We

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Speaker 3: cannot wait to hear your thoughts. Of course, we love

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 3: food and food history and food conspiracy. Please please look

1144
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 3: up that story about the slowly forming ocean. Let us

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01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 3: know your thoughts, the Olympic ceremony, culture wars, and of

1146
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Speaker 3: wrapped up in that interpool bust, we'd love to hear

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Speaker 3: that story too. We'll be back later this week with

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 3: more strange things, and we'll be back next week with

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Speaker 3: more strange news. In the meantime, join the conversation. We

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