1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: Radio dot Com and within the iHeartRadio app All right. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: Way to go. 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 3: You made it to the middle of the week and 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 3: we'll get to Carry Roads in a second. He's just 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: taking victory laps around this days year at Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: How many do you want to take in calling that 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: John Harbaugh would be out as the Baltimore Ravens head coach. 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: You know what, Nan, I'm a humble guy. Yeah, you are, definitely, 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 4: And i Am not going to take any praise. I'm 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 4: just gonna let the conversation go where it may. 13 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Is this Carry Rhodes? We sure? Are we sure? This 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: is carry? You didn't you did? 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: You've been calling this for a while. Yeah, that John 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: Harball would not return as the Ravens head coach. Carry 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: and our team up on Sundays on Fox Sports Radio 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: in our end Zone Radio show, bringing you all the 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: action from the late window of the NFL schedule. We 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: sign off right before Sunday night football kicks off, and 21 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: as we signed off on Sunday, I gave him three 22 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: options on who would be back next year. It was 23 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh. And when I 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: asked about John Harbaugh, you said that he would not 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: be back. Was this your gut? Was this intel? What 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: let you know on Sunday that Sunday Nights game in 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh would ultimately be John Harbaugh's last with the Ravens. 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 29 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: It's one of those things where it's a gut filling 30 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: for sure, but also being in the locker room and 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 4: being around guys, and you know, you know, guys have 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: their own agendas. People are trying to reach certain milestones. 33 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: You have coaches that are trying to coach for their jobs. 34 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 4: You have other coaches that are seeking jobs. You have 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: all these things that are happening in a locker room. 36 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: Right where are you supposed to be on one accord? 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: So when that all too common, praise comes out like 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: we're all in together. Yeah, we're all in together when 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 4: things are good. Because when things aren't good, people have 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 4: you know, it's human people have thoughts and of their 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 4: agendas and other things that creep in. And when you 42 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: watch the Ravens this year and not even just this year, 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: but the last couple of years, when things are good, 44 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: you don't hear a thing come out of there. You 45 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: don't You don't hear you hear the coach openly praising 46 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: their star quarterback and their star players. You hear the 47 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 4: players being complementary to the coach all the time. And 48 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: you know it's just certain factors and certain like talking 49 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 4: points and key points come out when things are good. 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 4: This year hasn't been that at all. I mean from 51 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: the start of the season, the expectations were high. And 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 4: when the expectations are high, and especially for a coach 53 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 4: that's been there for a long time, if you don't 54 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: meet those expectations, there are ramifications. Now if there's not 55 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: going to be coordinator's gone or players gone, somebody's somebody's 56 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: going to be gone. And you think about their situation. 57 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 4: The GM is set as many players as he's brought in, 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: and the type of caliber players he brought in, they're good, right, 59 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: the players have they underachieved for the Ravens a thousand percent. 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: But if you're not gonna get if you're not gonna 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: get rid of some of those key players, then where's 62 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 4: that fall to Dan? And so it's just like it's 63 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 4: almost like the process of elimination, gut and also just 64 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 4: being in the locker room and knowing how the factory 65 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: works well. 66 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 3: And I want to get to that because it felt 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: that a lot of the comments from Harball were reactionary 68 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 3: to comments that were made instead of being proactive. 69 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: Is that fair? 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: Throughout the season where you talked about the leaks that 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 3: we would never hear, then we started to hear leaks, 72 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 3: and then it was in response to the leaks that 73 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: Harball would have to say what he had to say. Well, 74 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: then there was the Mike Preston article that was criticizing Lamar. 75 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: I felt that there was more of a campaign that 76 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: Harball was on his way out, and I felt that 77 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 3: the Preston piece in the Baltimore Sun about Lamar was 78 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: in response to all of the Harball stuff. Whether that 79 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 3: was the way it actually went or not, the fact 80 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: is this stuff was getting out to people that we 81 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: hadn't seen in the last eighteen years with the Ravens. 82 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: Yes, and that's the tail tale sign man. When the cracks, 83 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 4: when when the fisher start, fisher starts to widen, you 84 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: know there's trouble. 85 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: There's there. It's bigger than the fisher. 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: It's a chasm at that point and so once you 87 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 4: get to that point and then all these things start 88 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 4: to leak out, and then the performance goes down, and 89 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 4: then we start to do our own research and like 90 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 4: have our data points on this team, specifically in the 91 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: Lamar years, and you see all the years that they've 92 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: had and they've been really good in the regular season, 93 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 4: there's still be doubts of you know, is Harbball making 94 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: the right decisions? 95 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: Is Harbball being a little bit too lenient? 96 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 4: Is Horrball Like those things would still kind of come out, 97 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 4: but they would ge swept under the rug. But when 98 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 4: you're not winning, there's nowhere to hide those things, and 99 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: so that's where it comes out to. 100 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: I just I compare it. 101 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: I think it's very difficult to compare it to Pittsburgh 102 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: because of Pittsburgh's ownership with the Rooney family and how 103 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: they've always treated head coaches. The Ravens a newer franchise 104 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: in the world of the NFL. Plus you have Steve Bashatti, 105 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 3: the owner took over from Art Modell and the Modell family, 106 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: so Bashadi's there, but there seems to be quite a 107 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: bit of loyalty to Harbaugh. I compare it to I 108 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 3: compare it to what happened in Seattle with Pete Carroll. 109 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of these long tenured coaches 110 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: and the Saints are different. The Saints were different as well, 111 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: because I felt that Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis were 112 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: kind of running the Saints when Tom Benson ended up 113 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: passing away, then Gail Benson took over, so the people 114 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: that she knew best were Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis. 115 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: So maybe their stay and Mickey Loomis is still in 116 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: New Orleans, but their stays were longer because of the 117 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: ownership situation in Seattle. Maybe it could have been like 118 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 3: that because of the passing of Paul Allen, it ends 119 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: up going to you know, through the estate and his 120 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: sisters running the team. But the point I bring up 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: is this is it's probably better to do it sooner 122 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: rather than later. Okay, So for Baltimore in this case, 123 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: Seattle waited a long time to let go of Pete Cary. 124 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: And we see where Seattle is now with a new 125 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: head coach and a new energy, and it probably should 126 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 3: have happened sooner. But the timing for them now to 127 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: have Mike McDonald as their head coach. Probably that's the 128 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: way that it had to go. I just I don't 129 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: see the ultimate reason carry when we look at all 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 3: these other head coaching changes on the surface and on paper, 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: to be like hardball's the one that needs to go. 132 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying Lamar needs to go either, but 133 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: I'm just saying two years ago this team was in 134 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: an AFC championship game. Last year they lost a playoff 135 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: game in Buffalo. Like that, there's Mark Andrews drop. What 136 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: happens to me ends up catches, you know, catching the pass, 137 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 3: and things change. And so this year you're on a 138 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: year where Lamar has been hurt. You haven't been afraid 139 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: to change coordinators. They've had to go through many whether 140 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: the defensive coordinator, whether it be Mike McDonald Leving or 141 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: whether a b Rex, Ryan Leving or whoever, of all 142 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: of the coaches that have been in Baltimore, at least 143 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: at one point or another, they've been able to turn 144 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: over that. And they've turned over the offensive coordinator position before. 145 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: I just was surprised that this was it. And so 146 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: that's why when you're talking about the messaging coming out, 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: it seems like it was a lot more on the table, 148 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: and after a long discussion yesterday, the move was ultimately made. 149 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: But I just never felt that the Ravens were at 150 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: this point to let go of John Harbaugh because of 151 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: what we've seen throughout the NFL and what we've seen 152 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: in other places. And so now that he's out, I 153 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: think that it's simple like Lamar Jackson, if this is 154 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson aided, it's got to be careful for what 155 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: he wished for, oh for sure, because the gress isn't 156 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: necessarily greener on the other side. And as I used 157 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: two cliches, he's also lost his shield. John Harball was 158 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 3: a great shield because if things went wrong, yes, let's 159 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: blame it on John Harbaugh, it's his fault. It's his 160 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: fault for bringing in this coordinator. It's his fault for 161 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: this and that now Lamar wins this back, and with 162 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: that becomes a lot of responsibility. So now Lamar, now 163 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: Lamar has to produce. If you're the Ravens quarterback and 164 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: it's his birthday today, is Chris Prophett mentioned the theme 165 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: threw out the show. But now all of this is 166 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: on Lamar, and that's why I just say, be careful 167 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: what you wish for because you may want hardball out, 168 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: but that may not be better for you as a player. 169 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think the angle that it's solely Lamar 170 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 4: wanted them out, I don't think that would be the 171 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 4: main reason he's gone now. I say that because, yes, 172 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 4: he is the franchise player. We've seen quarterbacks have that 173 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 4: ability to, you know, get the man they want or 174 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 4: get rid of the man they don't want. 175 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: Right. 176 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: You made a great point, like it is it is 177 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: on him now, and I think it was gonna be 178 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 4: on him now anyway. And I think they were kind 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 4: of step in tow they were locked together, you know, 180 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: like you have the head coaches and gms that are 181 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 4: kind of locked together and one goal with the other 182 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 4: has to go in this situation, you can't get rid 183 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 4: of both of them, right, And so all right, if 184 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 4: you're gonna choose a two time MVP, somebody that you 185 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 4: still believe in that can get the job done, where 186 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 4: you had a head coach that got the job done before, 187 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 4: but as of that moment hasn't gotten back there yet, right, 188 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 4: and had ample opportunities to get back there. Where in 189 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: a player you talked about it, We've named and we've 190 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 4: seen plenty emphasis and plenty instances where you know it 191 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: wasn't Lamar's fault. Now, he's been at fault at times 192 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 4: as well, but in these last couple of years, there's 193 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: been other guys who you know, he's gotten the ball 194 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 4: to and they fumbled or they've dropped the ball. Right, 195 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: So you have that evidence in the last couple of 196 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 4: years where this team has been good and they have 197 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 4: had their shortcomings, the players on the field have determined 198 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 4: determined also why they haven't gotten there. But these past 199 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: few years it hasn't been Lamar, and so we can 200 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: remove that part of the you know, the big equation 201 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 4: here right, Like, he hasn't come up short in those moments. 202 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: So now if we put him with the right person, 203 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 4: the person that can press the buttons to where you know, 204 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: things matter, the small details matter. For us to win, 205 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: it has to come from the head coach. If the 206 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 4: head coach isn't giving them the right to obviously he 207 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 4: can't get the new hands to catch the ball, but 208 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 4: like make them understand that there are consequences, consequences if 209 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 4: you don't show up in the spot. And I don't 210 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: think that was the case in the last couple of 211 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: years with the Ravens. 212 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: Do you do you find it an appealing job if 213 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: you were a head coaching candidate. Yes, I is it 214 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: appealing because of Lamar? Or is it appealing because of 215 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: the franchise's structure and stability that they've shown throughout. I 216 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 3: guess it's inception. 217 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Both both, and you don't you got it? You don't think, 218 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: so go ahead. 219 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: I just think with Lamar, who turns twenty nine today, 220 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: that you're now coming off of another injury season. 221 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 2: Yep. And it's not about I think the standard. 222 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: Of Super Bowls gets overblown, but it's the world that 223 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: we live in, so we end up dealing with it. 224 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: But there is good to come a time like this 225 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 3: season where we saw Lamar couldn't run as well as 226 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: he did when he was twenty three and twenty four. Absolutely, 227 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: and so now how does that affect everything else that happens? 228 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: Like the threat of Lamar Jackson was sometimes worse than 229 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 3: what he would actually do because of all of the 230 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: stuff that he could do on a football field, and 231 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: he had one of the not this past year, but 232 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: the year before was maybe I think it's top three, 233 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: top two best passer season that we've seen. I know 234 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: it's top five for sure, Yeah, for what we've seen. 235 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 3: So but that everything comes with that. So Lamar's ability 236 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: to move the weapons that they have, Derrick Henry, that's there, 237 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: All of that works out, All of that now is 238 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: kind of erased because it's now just all on Lamar. 239 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: And so now, at twenty nine years old, which I 240 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: think he's an older twenty nine than a younger twenty nine, 241 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the second half of Lamar's career, 242 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: which is maybe at the point we're at right now, 243 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: is going to be better at the first half. And 244 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: so that's the only thing that I would question, Like, 245 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: if I'm Baltimore, there's I'm not taking anybody on the 246 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: defensive side. I am hiring an offensive head coach. I 247 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: don't care. Yeah, you have to be locked in and Harbaugh, 248 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: I guess to his defense, he was more of CEO 249 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: right because he comes over as a special teams coach. 250 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: Let the offense do that, let the defense do that. 251 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: But you have to hire an offensive coach and you've 252 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: got to make it work because if it doesn't work, 253 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be the fall of 254 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 3: the offensive head coach. It's going to go on the 255 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: shoulders of Lamar because now we're going to say, look, 256 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: we fired John Harball after eighteen seasons and one season 257 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: where sure they finished below five hundred and eight to nine, 258 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 3: but that was after you know, back to back playoff 259 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 3: appearances and almost a bid to the Super Bowl. So 260 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 3: now that's all on Lamar. So that's I just I 261 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: find it appealing with the stability, and I find it 262 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: appealing with the talent. But you better win right away, 263 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: you better win next year, you better win the next 264 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: year after that, because I just don't think that Lamar 265 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: is going to continue to get better as a quarterback. 266 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: There is going to be a slide in his career. 267 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: And why do you feel that way, Dan, Why do 268 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: you feel is going to be a slide? 269 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 4: And I know the obvious thing about the moment, because. 270 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: He is probably top three the most dynamic quarterback that 271 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: we have seen in the NFL. Michael Vick is I 272 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: think I would put I would put up there. He 273 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 3: put me on skates, yeah right right, So so just 274 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 3: the threat of running the football right like that ability. 275 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: It's going to happen with Josh Allen at some point 276 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 3: where Josh Allen is not going to be able to 277 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 3: run as effectively as he has, and you've got to 278 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: figure out a way to make that make your game 279 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: be just as dangerous without that. And so that's the 280 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: point that I look at with Lamar. There are no 281 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: questions about passing, there are no questions about running, there 282 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: are no questions about reading defenses, just none of that. 283 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 3: But your athletic ability which made him so dangerous, is 284 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: not going to be there in your thirties like it 285 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: was in your twenties, for sure. So that is the 286 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: reason why. So if defense is don't have to worry 287 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: about Lamar running and breaking off. 288 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 2: Of the You're gonna always have to worry about him running. 289 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: But they're not gonna have to worry about a sixty 290 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: five yard run. No right, no, no, of course not. 291 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: But then they're still gonna have to worry about it. 292 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. 293 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 4: I mean, we saw him in the game last week 294 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: eighty five what eighty seventy five percent whatever, He is 295 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 4: always going to be a threat. Like if you don't 296 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: gain plan for him and you play man and man 297 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: coverage and you turn your back on Lamar Jackson at 298 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: seventy five percent, He's still going to be a threat, 299 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 4: and that's and that's the thing. 300 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: So like it just depends on what length we're talking about. 301 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: And he's healthy next year, so like he's got the 302 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: off season, so that threat. My point is that threat 303 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: is there, and that's why it's so important for next 304 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: year for there to be success because there are now 305 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: no more excuses because John Harbaugh isn't there. So all 306 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: of that pressure and everything that's on Lamar Is is 307 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: now on his shoulders because of this decision. And I 308 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: think it's ultimately the decision that they make, Like the 309 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: Seahawks chose Pete Carroll ultimately over Russell Wilson, But it 310 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: really wasn't that. It was they just knew Russell Wilson 311 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: probably was towards the end of his career. They didn't 312 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: want to pay him the money that he was going 313 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: to demand in this next contract, and they shipped him 314 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 3: out when they felt that they needed to, and it 315 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: worked out great for him. 316 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: I got a question that part. 317 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: So in that situation, you thought you thought Pete Carroll's 318 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: voice got I guess old end and you would rather 319 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: have had Pete Carroll than Russell Wilson at that. 320 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: Point, I I don't think that they were tied together 321 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: like they were with the Ravens. I think that they 322 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: understood John Schneider and Pete Carroll understood that Russell Wilson 323 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: was not the same quarterback that he once was. And 324 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: so at the time, honestly, like when you looked at 325 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 3: like when they should have traded Wilson or could have 326 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: traded him, they maybe could have waited a season to 327 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: do it, but they did it at the time that 328 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: they did and were able to get the package that 329 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: they got from from the Broncos, which was a very 330 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: very healthy package because I think that they knew that 331 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: he was going to be damaged to goods after that. 332 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 333 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: And what, Russell Wilson's older than Lamar Jackson as well, 334 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: So like the end, at the time of the trade, 335 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 3: like it wasn't Russell Wilson was twenty nine years old. 336 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: Russell Wilson was an older quarterback. But that's the Seahawks 337 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: made that decision. I think you could still look at 338 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson and say, all right, if he's healthy, he'll 339 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: he'll be fine, He'll be fine. Yeah, But it's also 340 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: as the whole of the next five years and what 341 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: is going on with the Ravens that you look at 342 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: and say, all right, where are we going to be now? 343 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: Where we're going to be with the next five years? 344 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: Where you hope that the next coach that you hire 345 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 3: is going to be there for that span and you're 346 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: not hiring somebody new in two years, sure, because if 347 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: you are, then it was a complete mess in Baltimore. 348 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: He called it from the get go? How did you 349 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 3: have some Louisville insights on there? I will not tell you, 350 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: will not reveal his sources. He is carry Roads. I'm 351 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 3: Dan Byer. Jason Stewart is here Iowa. Sam Chris Perfetts 352 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: at the news desk keeping us updated of what's going 353 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: on today. 354 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 355 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 356 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio. 357 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: App Fox Sports Radio. He's the Allprokerry Roads. I'm Dan Byer. 358 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: Only can you hear carry on myself? 359 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: Now? 360 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: You can hear a Sunday's five Eastern two Pacific here 361 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio. Wild Card coming up this weekend, 362 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: so we smack dab in the during our show. We'll 363 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: get a majority of our show will be about forty 364 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: nine Ers Eagles joining us now to talk NBA our 365 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider FS one NBA analyst that 366 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 3: you can find on x at Rick Buker also finding 367 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 3: the Seams, teaming up with Brendon Aywood on their podcast. 368 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 3: Rek Buker joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Rick, 369 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: how are you? 370 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 5: I am well? How are you? 371 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: I'm doing great? It sounds like the Lakers are doing great. 372 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 3: I mean they're third in the West. Win last night, 373 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: Lebron and Lucas celebrating on the court, Lebron afterwards saying, 374 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: I don't have to Luca doesn't have to do anything 375 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 3: around me. I'm the one that needs to bend around 376 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: the big superstar. Is everything as great as it seems 377 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 3: right now for the Lakers in La La Land? 378 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 5: Well for now it is. For now it is for sure. 379 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 5: Winning certainly makes everybody feel good about themselves. The question 380 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 5: is going to be, and we've seen it when they 381 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 5: when they struggle, or they when they play the better 382 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 5: teams and uh and and they lose a few or 383 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 5: their their complete lack of defense or having so many 384 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: defensive holes is exposed, then things get a little rough. 385 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 5: I don't know that the all of the chatter outside 386 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 5: of it, whether it's Rich Paul or Lebron James himself, 387 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 5: all of that raises some questions in terms of when 388 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 5: and when and how it's going to infiltrate the team 389 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 5: uh and and the dynamics there. But the reality is 390 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 5: they're they're not a good defensive team. They're not going 391 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 5: to be a good defensive team and uh And they 392 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 5: have two guys that are ball dominant at their best 393 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 5: in Lebron and uh and Luca. If you're winning, everybody's 394 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: everybody can go along with it. When you start losing, 395 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 5: that's that's and the questions are raised. So this I'll 396 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 5: put it this way in short order, The mellow drama 397 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 5: that is the Los Angeles Lakers this year has just 398 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 5: begun and it will have sequels over the course of 399 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 5: the year. It's going to get very, very interesting because 400 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 5: they're not going to continue to win at the same 401 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 5: level once they play the better teams. 402 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 4: Rick and then you throw in an Austin reeves to 403 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: that to that case as well, who needs the ball 404 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: as well. So it's going to be interesting for sure. 405 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 4: But I want to talk about Trey Young a little bit. 406 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously this seems like the wheels have fallen 407 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 4: off the there in Atlanta with him, him and the organization. 408 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 4: Has this been going on for a while, because obviously 409 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: Trayce has some great moments in Atlanta, but his shortcomings 410 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: have really been on display as far as his defense 411 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 4: goes and and maybe even his shot selection and what 412 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: he and how he handles the game. 413 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: Can you talk about that and what his future holds 414 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: for Trey Young? 415 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 5: Well, the Eastern get into the Eastern Conference Finals in 416 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 5: twenty one, certainly end of the shelf life and the 417 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 5: belief along with Tony Wrestler, the son of the of 418 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 5: the owner, being really close with Trey. And so when 419 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 5: there were guys who got tired of playing with Trey 420 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 5: because he. 421 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 6: Dominates the ball and does. 422 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: Not defend, they were like, okay, well we just need 423 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 5: to get guys who are good with that. So that 424 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 5: they they moved out the Bugdanovic's and the Andre uh 425 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 5: Hunters and. 426 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 6: And DeAndre Hunters, and and. 427 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 5: Then they got a new group Jalen Johnson's and the 428 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 5: Dyson Daniels, and they're like, well, these guys are pretty good, 429 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 5: and they don't really like doing it playing or. 430 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 6: So maybe maybe maybe. 431 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 5: We need to change something else here. And and so 432 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 5: I think that's that's where they are there, and and 433 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 5: I and I do believe in in part. It's also 434 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 5: like I look at the you know, whether it's Zachary, 435 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 5: Risha Shea or or or some of the other pieces 436 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 5: they have, like there's there's some really good young talent 437 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 5: on that team, and but I just don't know as 438 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 5: good as Trey is. And this is this is the 439 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 5: real riddle with him. I mean, when it comes to 440 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 5: playing pick and roll, scoring off the pick and roll, 441 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 5: he's as good as anybody in the league. But he 442 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 5: just hasn't evolved in any other way. And now when 443 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 5: you're looking at Okay, he's coming up for a contract 444 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 5: where he's going to expect the max super. 445 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 6: Mac something along those lines of like is this what we. 446 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 5: Want to invest in? And by all indications, Atlanta Hawks 447 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 5: are saying no, it's not. 448 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 3: This may be unfair. Rick Buker joining us here on 449 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio. So hold this against Trey Young. I've 450 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 3: never been a Tray Young fan. He's Carrier Roads. I'm 451 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: Dan Byer. But I even go back Rick to his 452 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 3: days at Oklahoma, Like I remember because he took college 453 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: basketball by storm in the first part of the only 454 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: season he was in Norman. But there is a game 455 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: where he probably took thirty shots for the Sooners and 456 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 3: he came down the stretch and all of a sudden 457 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: he got double team. The clock's winding down, end of 458 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 3: the game, and he passes to a guy and guys like, well, 459 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: I haven't shot all game because you've been shooting all 460 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: the time. Misses the shot, and then there's like, oh man, 461 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: why did you miss the shot? And it's never changed. 462 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: It feels like with that with Trey Young, like it's 463 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 3: always just been his way or the highway. So I 464 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 3: find it interesting now. I think you laid it out 465 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: perfectly of why the timing is now, But it just 466 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: seems like it's always been about Tray Young more than 467 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: anything else. 468 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know, we can be sort of deceived. 469 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 5: Because the numbers can look good, including the assists that 470 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 5: can look good. There's been plenty of guys who have 471 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 5: averaged a high number of assists, and yet it it's deceptive. 472 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 6: You think, oh, well, he's an unselfish guy. 473 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 5: He's setting other guys up. And but the reality is 474 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 5: it's either it's when you're when the assists are happening, 475 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 5: and are. 476 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 6: There are there any hockey assists in there? 477 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 5: Is? 478 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 3: It? 479 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: Is it? 480 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 5: I'm giving the ball up to allow other guys to 481 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 5: make plays. And if you have a team that's capable 482 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 5: of being a making a deep run in the playoffs, 483 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 5: you're gonna have multiple guys who can do something with 484 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 5: the ball. And and if they don't get the opportunity 485 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 5: to do that and. 486 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 6: The team is struggling, at some point, they're gonna go, hey, we. 487 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 5: Could could could we share the ball a little bit, 488 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 5: or you know, send me someplace else. And I will 489 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 5: say ron Kruger deserves a tremendous amount of respect because 490 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 5: I believe it's Trey Young. 491 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 6: And I believe he also had Austin. 492 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 5: Reeves like those guys in their ability to make the 493 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 5: most out of their physical limitations and manipulate the game 494 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 5: through the pick and roll. 495 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 6: Ron Kruger did a tremendous job of teaching. 496 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 5: Both of those guys. But when we talk about like 497 00:23:55,040 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 5: franchise players and dominating the ball, that only goes so far. 498 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,719 Speaker 4: Well records funny because the other guy who's always going 499 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 4: to be linked to him has that same issue, but nobody. 500 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 4: I mean, well, I guess he did get traded too, 501 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 4: so I guess all's fair at the end of the day, 502 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: between Luke and Trey, right, they both got traded for 503 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: each other, and they both kind of played the game similarly. 504 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 4: But you know, Lucas, obviously, you know, in a in 505 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 4: a different situation, in a better situation now in La. 506 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: But I want to ask you one more question about 507 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 4: the OKC thunder And obviously, you know, the beginning of 508 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 4: the season was on they were on the record record 509 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 4: setting pace, and obviously people started talking about being, you know, 510 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 4: the best team ever and having the best record ever. 511 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: What's happened? What's happened in Oka? See? 512 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 4: I know Jalen Williams has come back, and maybe that's 513 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 4: thrown off a little bit of their chemistry. I'm not 514 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 4: sure that's what it kind of feels like. But what's 515 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: your assessment of OKC right now. 516 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 5: It's December January and the level at which they were 517 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 5: playing so much of it was just their defensive energy. 518 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 5: You know, they were suffocating teams and and you know 519 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 5: it's at some point you just feel like, hey, if 520 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 5: we're gonna play for a title. We're gonna play for 521 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 5: another title. We've got to be good to go in 522 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 5: May and June and the and then, and it generally 523 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 5: happens against the lesser teams, which I think is what 524 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 5: we've seen here for the most part. They've been surprising 525 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 5: losses because they've let go of rope against teams that 526 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: they thought they at this point they could just go 527 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 5: out and right and and roll over. And so I 528 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 5: think the combination of that that that's the biggest element. 529 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 5: I just the combination of that and the way we 530 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 5: started to talk about them at the start of the season. 531 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 5: You know that the one of the all time greats, 532 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 5: and they're gonna take you know that when they're going 533 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 5: eighty and two. 534 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 6: Okay, this overreaction, like what are we doing here? 535 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: You've played in the league, you know how it goes, 536 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 5: like maintains I mean, honestly, it wouldn't make any sense 537 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 5: for them to maintain that kind of intensity at this 538 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 5: point in the season, because winning back to back championships 539 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 5: is a grind and it does take uh, you know, 540 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 5: the game goes to another level and you're already getting 541 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 5: everybody's best shots because it's a feather in their cap 542 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 5: to uh to knock off the defending champs. And then 543 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 5: I would also say that I think that that that 544 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 5: teams have also taken something from the San Antonio Spurs 545 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 5: and their dominance. There's now tape there that shows if 546 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 5: you can, if you can meet Okay sees physicality, You're like, 547 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 5: that's that's where you need to go meet their physicality. 548 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 5: Don't be, don't be, don't take a step back at 549 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: the way they come at you. And then when you're 550 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 5: defending them, be honest, keep them off the line. And 551 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 5: so I think the com I think the other part 552 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 5: here is that the San Antonio Spurs have given everybody 553 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 5: the blueprint for making the game more competitive when they're 554 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 5: when they're paying playing the thunder, and now the thunder 555 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 5: are going to have to adjust. They have the talent, 556 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 5: they have the coaching, they have everything to do that, 557 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 5: but it may take a beat for them to respond. 558 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: All right, I got one last one for you, because 559 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 3: they talked about it earlier this week. Steve Kerr gets 560 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: ejected from the game against the Clippers, his first dejection 561 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 3: in about three or four years. We had the Draymond 562 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: interaction it's final year of his contract, their eighth in 563 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: the West, Like are we starting to see the beginning 564 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 3: of the end with Steve Kerr and Golden States? I 565 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: just got the sense that this is all building up 566 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: and that maybe that this is this is the end 567 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 3: of the line. What do you see in Golden State? 568 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 5: He sure looks worn out, and you know, I just 569 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 5: look at Bob Meyer stepping off and there they're what 570 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 5: people don't know who aren't around the franchise on a 571 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 5: regular basis. I live in the Bay Area, so I 572 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 5: am is that Joe Lakab has been a great owner, 573 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 5: no doubt about it. But his attachment to reality when 574 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 5: it comes to the NBA, I think it's loose because 575 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 5: you don't remain a dynasty forever. And with the apron 576 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 5: and reducing not only the money that he wants to 577 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 5: spend on this team, but the ability to continue to 578 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 5: replenish it, there's you're going to fall off. You can't 579 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 5: be a contender forever, no matter you know how Steph 580 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 5: Curry is playing, because it's it's not just one guy, 581 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 5: and so especially a thirty eight about to turn thirty 582 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 5: eight year old, six and eighty pounds guy so I 583 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 5: think Bob Myers just got to a point where it 584 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 5: was like, the returns are not worth what I have 585 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 5: to go through in terms of what the expectation is 586 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 5: and the pressure. And Steve, I think I don't think 587 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 5: it's any accident that he came out and said, hey, look, 588 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 5: the dynasty days are over. Like the idea that we're 589 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 5: going to knock off the San Antonio Spurs, that Oklahoma 590 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 5: City Thunder, that we're built to be a championship team 591 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 5: right now is not realistic. And I just wonder how 592 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 5: much of that was not just a message to the 593 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 5: world at large, but to his owner Joe Lacob to say, 594 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 5: let's be realistic about where we are and what we have. 595 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 5: If we're if we're making the playoffs, that is still 596 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 5: a wild success for this team when you look at 597 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 5: the roster overall. 598 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: Our Insider Fox Sports One Insider Finding the Scenes with 599 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 3: Brendon Haywood Rick Buker joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. 600 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 3: Thanks Rick, love talking to you. 601 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: Have a net week, Hi pleasure, guys. 602 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 603 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 604 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: radio dot Com and within the iHeartRadio. 605 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: App from bad to worse. He's carry Roads. 606 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 3: I'm Dan Byer not talking about us here on Fox 607 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 3: Sports Radio, talking about this situation going on in the 608 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest with the University of Washington, and I think 609 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: he's still their quarterback to Mon Williams. But we shall 610 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 3: see welcome in hit carry up at Carrie twenty five Roads. 611 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 3: He is the former All Pro. Find me at Dan 612 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: Byer on Fox. 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This is the world 629 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 3: that we now live in. The drama if you're unfamiliar 630 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 3: with it. Washington quarterback DeMont Williams had agreed to an 631 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 3: NIL deal to stay at Washington. A lot has changed 632 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 3: over the last couple of days. Trinidad Chambliss gonna stay 633 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: at Ole Miss. If he's allowed to be back in 634 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, we'll not be following Lin Kiffin to LSU. 635 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 3: So now LSU continue used to look for a quarterback, 636 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: Sam Levitt Arizona State quarterback could be a possibility, But 637 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: there was also a guy that was gonna play quarterback 638 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: at Ole Miss ultimately did not, and that was Demand 639 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 3: Williams of Washington, who just signed this four million dollar 640 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: ANIL deal with the Washington Huskies. And now just days 641 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: after agreeing to that contract, Carrie, he wants out, he 642 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 3: wants out of the deal, and Washington is saying not 643 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 3: so fast. How do you look at this drama involving 644 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: nil in the Washington quarterback. 645 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 4: Well, we've opened ourselves up to it. It's here to stay. 646 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 4: So that's number one. And I think it's a great thing. 647 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 4: Get these kids are getting paid. I think four million 648 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 4: dollars is way too high for any college player in general. 649 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 4: So that's neither here nor there. But I'm gonna say 650 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 4: this about the whole situation. Right we're teaching these kids 651 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 4: how to not handle commitment, but the example they've had 652 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,959 Speaker 4: is in their face of not fulfilling that commitment all 653 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 4: the time. Anyway, right, Dan, We've seen head coaches sign 654 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 4: on for seven your deals and go take another job 655 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 4: with another team after two three years, and and you know, 656 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 4: nobody talks about that. I mean there's little chatter around 657 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 4: maybe from the school, from the team, some of the players, 658 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 4: but on the white on a on a global scale, 659 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 4: that's not a conversation. So a player, you know, says 660 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 4: he's gonna sign this deal for four million dollars and 661 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 4: another option comes out and it looks a little bit better, 662 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 4: a little bit more appealing, and you know, the player 663 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 4: right now has the right to entertain that. I know 664 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 4: it doesn't sit well with a lot of people. I'm 665 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 4: not gonna get on this player for you know, if 666 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 4: they're subtling out this type of money to people and 667 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 4: there's another another situation where he can go make money 668 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 4: and help his family, I'm all for it. I'm not 669 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 4: up in arms as much as other people are about it. 670 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 3: Dan, do you think nil deals need to have buyouts? Oh, 671 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 3: that's a good thing, because this is this is the difference. 672 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 3: So if Jedfish wanted to leave Washington for the Michigan job, 673 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 3: which he was a candidate for, we'll just use Washington 674 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 3: for an example, there would have been a buyout of 675 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: Jetfish's contract. Now, if Jedfish signed the contract and four 676 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 3: days later left for a different job, it would be 677 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 3: a completely different situation than that. Buyout probably would have 678 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 3: been enormous. But Jedfish and whoever would have known when 679 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,479 Speaker 3: he signed, when he signed on the dotted line. That's 680 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 3: where I stand. And I do think that people make 681 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: a big deal about coaches, maybe not as much, And 682 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 3: we look at the hierarchy of college football and say, okay, 683 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 3: if you're you know, if you're leaving if you're leaving 684 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 3: Washington State and going to Iowa State, if you're you know, 685 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 3: like if you're building if you're leaving Ole miss to 686 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 3: go to LSU, be okay, that's a step up. I'm 687 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: using some of the examples that we've seen in college 688 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 3: football this year when we see it with players, I 689 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: can understand it as well. However, I do think that 690 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 3: there is a commitment. There is a commitment for signing 691 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: on that dotted line. Now, Washington could just end up 692 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 3: pivoting and saying we're going to go look another direction. 693 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 3: But in a transfer portal window, the window is small. Yes, 694 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: So when you've committed to those four days, I'm sorry, 695 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 3: that's like you signed the deal. I don't think that 696 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 3: Demon Williams should be let out of his deal. I 697 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 3: think he should have to play for Washington next year. 698 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 3: And if you want to put a buyout in that deal, 699 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 3: yea for if he goes to play at LSU and 700 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 3: alis he says, all right, we'll send him to our 701 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 3: nil deal and we'll pay X amounts of Washington, then 702 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 3: that's fine. But if he signed the deal, then he 703 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 3: signed the deal. And if they're not able to get 704 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 3: anything for him, you should be playing for the Huskies. 705 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 4: Yeah no, No, I like that idea, Dan. I think 706 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 4: the buyout thing would be really cool. But I think 707 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 4: the buyout situation, in this situation alone, it just wouldn't 708 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 4: work because he didn't get the four million dollars yet. 709 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 4: Right like the head coaches, they've been already paid in 710 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 4: that process, So after they've left two or three years, 711 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 4: they've already earned money from that contract or that school 712 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 4: that situation, he hasn't got a dollar yet, and so 713 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 4: he's he's hurting the team. I know that that's not 714 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to gloss over that. Like the window, 715 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 4: the portal window is small, and some of those top 716 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 4: guys or guys that could be that could be replacements 717 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 4: have already signed over the places, so it doesn't They 718 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 4: got to figure it out, and you're right now. 719 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: I do like the buy out thing, though it's gotta 720 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 3: I understand the parallels. I don't always think it's apples 721 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: to apples with coaches and players, but it's just four 722 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 3: days later, all of a sudden, Lsu now may have 723 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 3: an opening or may have room and he could rejoin 724 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin. Well, maybe that should have been thought of 725 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 3: prior to it. I understand. I actually feel that it's 726 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 3: this is a whole different deal than signing a letter 727 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 3: of intent and signing a letter of intent and then 728 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 3: being like, Okay, I'm not too sure I understand that 729 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 3: portion of it. But when you get into the finances 730 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 3: and the dollars of it all, I think it's a 731 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 3: different story. And I think you should have to abide 732 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 3: by his contract, whether you're twenty year old quarterback or not. 733 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 3: I think you should have to live by it. He's 734 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: Carrie Rhodes, I'm Dan Byer. It is Fox Sports Radio. 735 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 3: Tiger Wood celebrated a birthday recently. Wait you see how 736 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 3: he celebrated