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Speaker 1: What's fleet would my Max? I'm Robert Evans and this

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Speaker 1: is Behind the Bastards, a podcast where we talk about

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Speaker 1: the album Rumors, which was written by a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people who when they were making it, we're all bastards

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Speaker 1: to one another. Uh oh yeah. With me with me

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Speaker 1: today to talk about Rumors is a Cody Johnston and

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Speaker 1: Katie Stole. How are we doing today?

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Speaker 2: Everybody so good, so thrilled to be here to talk

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Speaker 2: about Rumors with you.

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Speaker 3: You know what I always think about.

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Speaker 2: I always think about how hard it must have been

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Speaker 2: to be Christy McVie. Yeah, oh god, yeah, you got

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Speaker 2: Stevie Nicks there.

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Speaker 1: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: She was wonderful. R I p uh huh, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 2: You got a little out shown shined.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, outshun. It's hard. It's hard to it's hard

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Speaker 1: to be up against that, you know. I'm sure she

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Speaker 1: was aware of it, and I think that I think

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Speaker 1: that that bleeds through. That's part of the part of

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Speaker 1: the feel that uh you know that that that the

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Speaker 1: album has. But who's favorite song on Rumors? Favorite song?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What? What do we got? Is everyone just going to

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Speaker 1: say the chain I.

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Speaker 4: Was gonna say I was going to say.

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Speaker 3: It's too hard to not.

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Speaker 4: Great about.

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Speaker 5: I was talking about this over the weekend, just like

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Speaker 5: Flo Back in general, they're an amazing band because like

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Speaker 5: you'll hear a song and you'll know that it's necessarily

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Speaker 5: Fleetwood Mac because they've got such a wide range sound

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Speaker 5: and vocalists.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I was gonna say the Chain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard, but there's a lot. Yes, it's the Chain.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking? I also like throw your own way?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, jam a woman old A side and B side?

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Speaker 1: Are we talking old dust woman? Like there's A and

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Speaker 1: B Why would why would you split them up? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Dreams, I'm sorry, there's so many.

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Speaker 1: Dreams, Silver Sobers. Yeah, Secondhand News I think would be

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Speaker 1: mine after after the Chain. That's just such a fucking banger.

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Speaker 3: You're right, there's Second News.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a great album, What an incredible album.

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Speaker 3: Should we start playing it now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Just listen to to rumors and think about how all

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Speaker 1: of the lives lost in the cocaine industry were worth it?

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Speaker 1: Thank god, thank god. No, we should probably get on.

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Speaker 1: This is uh, you know, a podcast, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you know what the business is, right, We've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for five years. You guys have been on dozens

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Speaker 1: of times. Probably Now we're doing a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a different thing this year. We have another court case

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Speaker 1: to go over. The last time I had y'all both on,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the big lawsuit against Fox News, and

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Speaker 1: we went through the legal filing that Dominion's lawyers had

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Speaker 1: against that after all the discovery. Today we are reading

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Speaker 1: through a legal complaint from Wolf from Arnold, Eric Frozy,

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Speaker 1: Tracy Hawkins, Joseph Killian, Laura, Shan Pitite, Lars and Andrew

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Speaker 1: to say? Unbelievable? So these guys are all honestly yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm against them already. Oh wait, no, they're suing

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Speaker 1: of these people are former longtime employees of Twitter, and

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Speaker 1: I'm very frustrated by this legal document from the start,

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Speaker 1: because the first sentence of the introduction reads, plaintiffs are

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Speaker 1: each longtime former employees of Twitter, and then in parentheses

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Speaker 1: colloquially and hereafter referred to as tweeps. Wait, the tweets,

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Speaker 1: they're the tweets.

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Speaker 4: T sweeps.

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Speaker 1: Oh, tweets, but they're choosing to be referred to as tweeps.

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Speaker 3: That is too tweet. That's too tweet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, waity, what is.

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Speaker 1: Going on with you? Is it that like they legitimately

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Speaker 1: had so much pride in old Twitter that they had

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Did did the tweets decide to call themselves the tweets?

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine their lawyer insisted on it, right, It depends.

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Speaker 5: That was a big part of the culture, right there

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Speaker 5: and it was on all their little merchant stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Maybe you don't need to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you could.

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Speaker 4: Yeah the alleys you want to be taken seriously, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you know, uh, these these people who the

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit and forms has have more than sixty years

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Speaker 1: fired or constructively discharged by Twitter right after Musk took over.

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Speaker 1: Some of these guys were pretty senior. There's a vice

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Speaker 1: they they got ship quote, and due to that seniority,

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Speaker 1: some of them were in the room where it happened.

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Speaker 1: After Musk's takeover of Twitter, privy to and participants in

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Speaker 1: high level discussions and deliberations among Twitter's new leadership. After

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Speaker 1: new leadership deliberately, specifically and repeatedly announced their intentions to

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Speaker 1: breach contracts, violate laws, and otherwise ignore their legal obligations.

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Speaker 1: And they put those words into action. Plaintiff Killium was

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Speaker 1: forced to resign from Twitter after being repeatedly and specifically

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Speaker 1: directed to violate California's building codes in ways that potentially

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Speaker 1: put tweep lives at risk. See, if you say it

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Speaker 1: like that, you're making a very serious allegation. And I

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Speaker 1: can't take it seriously when people's lives, yeah, lives.

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Speaker 3: Because I was immediate like tweep yeah. No.

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Speaker 1: Also, I'm okay with tweeps dying. You know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: okay with people dying, but tweets. But tweets, that's some

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Speaker 5: When they say the phrase they were in the room

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Speaker 1: No, it's in quotation marks. I think it's a reference

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Speaker 1: to that book by that Trump staffer, in the room

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Speaker 5: I think it also, knowing the content and context and

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Speaker 5: the fact they're calling someone's sweeps, I think it also

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Speaker 5: might be a Hamilton reference.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you kidding.

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Speaker 4: Herd Hamilton's in Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there is from Hamilton and Hamilton.

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Speaker 4: I was on one of those streamers and I watched

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Speaker 4: I couldn't. I've got a lot of thoughts on it.

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Speaker 5: He' Julie Corney, and I think he's shouldn't have been

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Speaker 5: the guy in the in the show, but the room

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Speaker 1: The room where it happened is the White House memoir

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Speaker 1: of John Bolton, former National Security advisor. So they're either

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Speaker 4: It's definitely.

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Speaker 2: Question guys and girls, everyone, do you want us?

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Speaker 3: Do you want us to take you?

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Speaker 1: Seriously? Don't call yourself sweeps.

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Speaker 2: Don't get yourself sweeps and don't reference either Hamilton or

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Speaker 2: John Bolton legal filing.

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Speaker 3: Don't pitch yeah the first three sentences.

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Speaker 1: Like you are alleging that Elon Musk ordered you to

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Speaker 1: We don't need to make this like like I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm very frustrated.

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Speaker 4: You don't need to put on a pants suit and

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of the fucking Twitter old guard. Yeah, very funny.

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Speaker 1: I expected to be more immediately on board with the

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Speaker 1: people suing Elon Musk because I hate him so much,

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Speaker 1: but they have done the hard work of making me

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Speaker 1: right in the middle so far I am. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: at the at the moment, so in ways that potentially

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Speaker 1: put tweep lives at risk in building the Twitter hotel

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Speaker 1: rooms Musk wanted for tweets he would be pushing to

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Speaker 1: work through the night. Plaintiff Hawkins was forced to resign

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Speaker 1: after Musk and his transition team fundamentally changed the nature

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Speaker 1: Twitter to breach its leases and essentially steal space from

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Speaker 1: its landlords. Elon doesn't play rent. They're still doing a

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Speaker 4: Again, I'm very frustrated against.

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Speaker 1: Because like the thing that Elon's that comes next is

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Speaker 1: like he one of Elon's transition team members told Hawkins

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Speaker 1: Elon doesn't pay rent, And Elon told me he would

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Speaker 1: only pay rent over his dead body, And I'm frustrated

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Speaker 1: He's like this big law and order fascist weirdo. Now

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Speaker 1: like a giant corporate landlord. Yes, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: I don't know send in like mercenaries to force Twitter

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Speaker 1: You know, like be a real asshole about it, and

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Speaker 1: then at least you'll be a cool, like corporate ghoul.

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Speaker 1: You know, go for it, guys, do do what Think about?

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Speaker 1: Think about what that guy, the bad guy in RoboCop

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Speaker 1: shit out of Elon Musk when he's having a cocaine party.

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Speaker 1: You know that that's what he'd you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if at two oh nine destroyed Twitter's offices, I'd

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Speaker 1: Right, well, I'd be like, what okay, Okay, one landlord

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Speaker 1: gets to stay a landlord. So both Killian and Hawkins

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Speaker 1: legally or contractually obligated to pay a particular sum would

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Speaker 1: be irrelevant to the decision of whether to actually pay

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Speaker 1: it when that amount came due. That must operate it

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Speaker 1: simply decide afresh for each significant expense whether or not

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Speaker 1: it wanted to pay what it owed. This seems very illegal,

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Speaker 1: but he's got enough money that it's not right, like

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Speaker 1: forever and yeah, it'll be fine. It's very frustrating. There's

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Speaker 1: because they couldn't pay you know, what they owed in

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Speaker 1: they'd be put in death camps. I guess that's cool, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yes, examples of rentivation, Like.

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Speaker 2: Imagine like people in HR or people that are trained

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Speaker 2: for these kinds of conversation is one thing, but engineers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, also like the people who are worse at I

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Speaker 1: don't know, managing, Like do.

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Speaker 2: You think that they just got people in the room

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Speaker 2: and played go your own way?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you should go your own way? Man? What a

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Speaker 1: b No, you nailed it. So yeah yeah yeah. So

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Speaker 1: you know, at this point, Twitter's been been gutted, you know,

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Speaker 1: much like a big game hunter who gets impaled by

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Speaker 1: a tusk.

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Speaker 3: There we go, like TV Nicks in that breakup. But

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Speaker 3: I like you, well yeah that's.

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Speaker 1: That all that works too. So the next thing that

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Speaker 1: happens is they start firing people after this like first

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Speaker 1: wave of layoffs. You know, those are they're agreeing to

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Speaker 1: pay severance and they're gonna fuck with a lot of

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Speaker 1: those people on severance. But in order to avoid paying severance,

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Speaker 1: the next thing that that Twitter does is they start

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Speaker 1: over the next few days firing even more people saying

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Speaker 1: they were in violation of Twitter policy. These are four

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Speaker 1: cause terminations, so like they don't have to do the

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Speaker 1: same things they have to do in like layoffs are

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Speaker 1: e severance. So it's I mean, it's it's it's fuckery.

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Speaker 1: It's also like bad for people's careers. It's one thing

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Speaker 1: if like yeah, that company, the the the boss gutted

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Speaker 1: it and everybody got laid off, but they didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: do anything wrong that doesn't necessarily hurt your chances of

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Speaker 1: getting hired again, as opposed to like getting fired for

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Speaker 1: violating company policy, which can which is yeah yeah, or

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Speaker 1: for paying a mandated insurance yeah.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know who does follow the law.

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Speaker 3: Possibly products and services?

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Speaker 1: It has to be it is, it is we most

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Speaker 1: do they nearly all of them do. I mean we are.

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Speaker 1: We are sponsored by the Sina Loa cartel, who have

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a history of rule breaking, but

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Speaker 1: for the most part, all of our sponsors are law abiding.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Or girl, m m.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, good stuff. Oh, we're back, We're back, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue because, as our fans always say,

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Speaker 1: don't stop. Oh boy, yeah yeah, yeah, this is really

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Speaker 1: the episode of some of our fans as dreams. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: we should.

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Speaker 3: We can't break this too far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, there out, So I accidentally started playing rumors.

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Speaker 4: On my phone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of the allegations against Musk

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Speaker 1: are based on well, you know, the phrase they use

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Speaker 1: is based on information and belief. But what is that

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Speaker 1: if not rumors? Too much readful in it?

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Speaker 3: Like yeah it ugh, yes, we're having fun.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Good stuff. So the next thing that Musk

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Speaker 1: announces is that Twitter's ending its remote work policy and

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Speaker 1: all workers have to immediately report to a physical Twitter office.

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Speaker 1: This was a real problem for people who lived like

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Speaker 1: hundreds of miles from Twitter offices and could not do this.

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Speaker 1: Musk updated the policy after this was pointed out to

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Speaker 1: him and said that Twitter would allow for a transition

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Speaker 1: period for remote workers who live too far away to

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Speaker 1: move to a location closer to Twitter. That's a good

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Speaker 1: decision to like, uproot your entire life and move across

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Speaker 1: country for a job that appears to be collapsing.

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Speaker 5: Every map does need you there, yeah, and probably won't

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Speaker 5: exist in like six ynths.

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Speaker 1: That seems like a good call. Later, the policy morphed

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Speaker 1: into one in which managers could allow their reports to

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Speaker 1: work remotely if they chose to, but would themselves be

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Speaker 1: fired if the employees they allowed to work from home

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Speaker 1: did not perform up to Musk's undefined and unarticulated standards.

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Speaker 1: What a great working environment.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's just a very articulate person.

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Speaker 1: No, no, he's dumb and kind of an asshole.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the owner of a social media communication platform

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Speaker 5: is so bad at communicating, Well, he's not.

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Speaker 1: He's he bought it, you know, like he purchased. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's pretty cool. So in mid November, Musk sends

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Speaker 1: another email with a link to an online form and

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Speaker 1: an ultimatum. Any Twitter employee who wanted to keep their

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Speaker 1: job at Twitter would need to affirmatively indicate their consent

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Speaker 1: by checking a box on an online form to a

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Speaker 1: more hardcore working environment, which would mean long hours at

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Speaker 1: high intensity and in a transparent attempt to avoid the

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Speaker 1: severance obligation to which he had bound himself, Musk unilaterally

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Speaker 1: decreed that employees who did not affirmatively check the box

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Speaker 1: would be deemed to have voluntarily resigned in exchanged for

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Speaker 1: two months of non working leave in a single month's

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Speaker 1: post separation pay. That's cool.

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Speaker 5: What, Yeah, How you run a company? You show your

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Speaker 5: employees that you're gonna do a good job.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's really important.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't he want people to like have kids and raise

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Speaker 5: a family, but like he also want them to like

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Speaker 5: spend like twelve hours a day sleeping at the office.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure that.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: Does he want everybody to have kids and raise a

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Speaker 3: family also? Well, also types of people that have kids

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Speaker 3: and rais also have.

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Speaker 4: Fraternity and maternity leave for his employees as well.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't want his employees doing that.

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Speaker 2: Other people have contradictions that one is, yeah, vaguely, other

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Speaker 2: people should be doing that.

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Speaker 1: So, as part of this wave of layoffs, a substantial

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Speaker 1: number of employees were laid off because they did not

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Speaker 1: immediately affirmatively agree to the material changes to their working

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Speaker 1: conditions that Musk had demanded, and yet that still wasn't enough.

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Speaker 1: After the November seventeenth layoff, Musk again turned to engineers

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Speaker 1: from his other companies to conduct code reviews of co

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Speaker 1: written code written by Twitter employees. The code reviews were

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Speaker 1: clear pretext to attempt additional four cause firings. The reviewers

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Speaker 1: lacked the context to meaningful evaluate the code, and the

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Speaker 1: reviews were completed in an amount of time. It was

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Speaker 1: clearly insufficient for any good faith approach of the task.

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Speaker 1: After the code reviews, Twitter fired multiple employees on the

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Speaker 1: pretext that their work was not up to standard. Many

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Speaker 1: of those employees had received uniformly positive performance reviews prior

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Speaker 1: to being fired. Other employees were put on performance improvement

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Speaker 1: plans in a transparent attempt to lay the groundwork for

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Speaker 1: future four cause firings. The slap dash bad faith nature

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Speaker 1: of these reviews was open and obvious. Some managers acknowledged

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Speaker 1: that they were instructed to stack rank their employees so

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Speaker 1: that at least some of the employees in each group

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Speaker 1: would be fired or placed on performance improvement plans, even

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Speaker 1: if all were performing adequately. Other managers specifically informed employees

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Speaker 1: that the managers had placed on pips that the employees

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Speaker 1: could keep doing what they were doing because their performance

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Speaker 1: did not require improvement. Other managers could not identify the

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Speaker 1: standard by which they had assessed particular performance as requiring improvement,

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Speaker 1: and at least some fired employees were informed that they

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Speaker 1: had been fired by mistake and asked to return to work.

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Speaker 1: All told on information and believe Twitter laid off, fired,

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Speaker 1: or engineered the resignations of over five thousand employees within

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Speaker 1: less than two months.

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Speaker 5: That's beautiful stuff, real, real impressive leadership right there.

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Speaker 2: I was going to just say, firing all of this

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Speaker 2: stuff is very time consuming. All of the work that's

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Speaker 2: being put into fucking over the employees and firing them

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Speaker 2: and then whoopsies are the ones that arguably too much

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Speaker 2: attention when there's vital things that need to be done

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Speaker 2: at the company.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Sorry, Cody, what were you going to say?

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Speaker 4: Oh, no, that's true.

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Speaker 5: It's just there's He did that interview, an interview recently

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Speaker 5: where they talked about this, and basically he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we're going to try to hire a bunch of people back,

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Speaker 5: and maybe people we fired will want to come back,

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Speaker 5: like very recently, Like this is the plan, and it's

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Speaker 5: just souse. He didn't even like I saw some Twitter

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Speaker 5: Blue subscribers be like, oh I love I love this because, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, being able to own your mistakes.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, he didn't say it was a mistake. He

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Speaker 4: said that he had to do it. This is all.

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Speaker 5: This is all in the pretext that like I have

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Speaker 5: to get rid of this many people. I have to

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Speaker 5: And now that he did, he's like, well, we'll hire

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Speaker 5: them back. That's still not admitting the mistake. He's still

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Speaker 5: saying he had to do it. He's just saying he's

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Speaker 5: going to do this new thing now.

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Speaker 1: And it's very funny that he thinks these people are

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Speaker 1: going to return to work, because I guarantee you they

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Speaker 1: are never going back again.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, Katie got Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Here, Oh man, it's just.

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Speaker 4: Love it.

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Speaker 1: Nom. That's something no one has ever said to Elon.

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Speaker 4: Musk No, no, they know.

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck. So let's go to the story of one

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Speaker 1: of the people who's a party to this lawsuit, plaintiff Hawkins.

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Speaker 1: Hawkins was Twitter's vice president of real Estate and Workplace,

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Speaker 1: responsible for its office leases and managing its offices. So

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Speaker 1: you can tell this person's not going to be long

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Speaker 1: for the company because Elon's no longer dealing with any

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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Uh, debt debt DA DA talks about

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Speaker 1: her whole career, which I don't really care about, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: so she's not opposed. It says that she was not

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Speaker 1: opposed to the merger or the concept of Muscus, Twitter's

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Speaker 1: new CEO. She received word of the impending merger deal

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Speaker 1: while on family vacation, didn't know a lot about Musk

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Speaker 1: at the time. I don't think that's possible, but okay,

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Speaker 1: it just seems weird that you wouldn't know a lot

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Speaker 1: about Elon Musk and live in the Bay and the

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Speaker 1: tech industry.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, maybe I guess it is like you cannot

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Speaker 4: know about him, but you can. He's the Tesla guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the Tesla guy. That's probably what she means,

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Speaker 1: given the uncertainty her focus in the period leading up

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Speaker 1: to the merger. In the leadership she provided her team

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Speaker 1: since round one, basic principle, let's focus on doing our

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Speaker 1: jobs and protecting our people. During the pendency of the merger,

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Speaker 1: employee attention was a critical concern, as we've talked about Yaha, YadA,

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Speaker 1: yadda Musk okay at the closing of the As the

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Speaker 1: closing of the merger approached, Musk's behavior heightened Hawkins' concerns.

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Speaker 1: He showed up to an all hands meeting exactly once,

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Speaker 1: arriving late and spending his time talking about extraterrestrials. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that's so funny, is.

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Speaker 5: That the I bet that's the one where he also

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Speaker 5: talked about gizmos and how he likes gizmos.

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Speaker 1: That maybe I think that may come a little bit later,

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Speaker 1: but it's very clear he was talking about aliens this

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Speaker 1: whole time, and all of these twoops were just saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know.

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Speaker 4: It's so right, it's so he's such a work.

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Speaker 5: It's just like one of those that he thinks he's

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Speaker 5: so interesting and like, oh everyone's so boring. I have

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Speaker 5: great conversations, but he's only got these stock things he has,

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Speaker 5: like a thing he says about aliens and other thing

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Speaker 5: he says about simulations, and that's it, Like that's his

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Speaker 5: idea of like, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: Very much like a push button get Bacon attitude to comedy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but like he thinks it's like this like deep,

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Speaker 5: like interesting conversation that goes beyond his one like talking

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Speaker 5: point about it.

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Speaker 1: M M. But you know, yep, maybe stuff.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he's not. Maybe he's fascinating, so.

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Speaker 1: He shows up once he bullshits about aliens. Even after

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Speaker 1: that meeting, Hawkins kept an open mind, hoping that Musk's

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Speaker 1: odd behavior would not impact his leadership when she took

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Speaker 1: over Twitter, and the employees were part of his team,

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Speaker 1: but Hawkins also formed a strong determination to remain at

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Speaker 1: Twitter at least throughout a new transition period in order

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Speaker 1: to shepherd her team through the transition. The reality of

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Speaker 1: Musk's new directives and operation of Twitter almost immediately shattered

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Speaker 1: that determination. Upon Musk's arrival at Twitter, he brought with

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Speaker 1: him a transition team of executives and sycophants from his

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Speaker 1: other companies, from whom Musk directed Twitter's employees to take direction.

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Speaker 1: This is the transition team. He also brought over Tesla

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Speaker 1: engineers too. Upon information and belief make retention and termination

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Speaker 1: to decisions. The transition team decreed that no managers were

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Speaker 1: allowed to communicate with their teams via Slack, which just

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Speaker 1: like just nukes the business, right, like, this is the

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Speaker 1: only way we communicate for most things, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: nobody gets to do this. They froze all payments to

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Speaker 1: vendors until they could be verified. No explanations were ever

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Speaker 1: given as to what this meant or why it was

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Speaker 1: being done. Yeah, it basically Twitter was just breaching contracts

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Speaker 1: and mass without like informing the vendors or the employees

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Speaker 1: communicating with these vendors as to why face with tens

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Speaker 1: or hundreds of thousands of dollars in outstanding invoices with

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Speaker 1: no reasonable expectation of timely payment. Many of these vendors

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Speaker 1: informed Twitter that they would not be performing further work

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Speaker 1: for Twitter until those invoices were paid, which is, by

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Speaker 1: the way, part of why DeSantis's announcement was a failure

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Speaker 1: is that Twitter hadn't paid a major vendor that was

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Speaker 1: responsible for like keeping Twitter spaces up and online space. Yeah,

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00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: very funny. But you know who does all their vendors

687
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Speaker 1: because their vendors are me, they pay you over and

688
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: do our ads. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's who I get paid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so help me get paid? H terrible?

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Speaker 3: Did you get paid? Did you get paid? H?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? We're back and I'm I'm counting up my money.

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Speaker 1: I'm counting up my money, which is why everyone calls

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Speaker 1: me the gold dust woman. I don't know that one

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Speaker 1: was going to be hard to fit in that.

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Speaker 3: That's good. That was really good, but I mean a.

696
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Speaker 1: Little too much.

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Speaker 3: It is your show.

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Speaker 1: You did? You did both? Miss one that I did

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Speaker 1: a little bit ago.

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Speaker 3: What did you do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was pretty pretty proud about this, but yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: I've also forgotten which one I did. I missed one.

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Speaker 1: Listeners you can go search for it. It was. It

706
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: was like seven minutes ago. You know, nobody, nobody commented

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Speaker 1: on it. Pull up the pull up the set list

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Speaker 1: for rumors and figure out which one I did. That's

709
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Speaker 1: a little more. You'll get a prize, You'll get a price.

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00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you what it is. And

711
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: like Elon Musk, I will probably not follow through with

712
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Speaker 1: this promise. But you know, lie funny, Yeah, I'm gonna

713
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: I'm telling you sweet little lies man, good stuff. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Twitter fired these vendors when they were, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: had had issue with not getting paid. Musk attempted to

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Speaker 1: halt the payment of his employees contractually mandated November rs

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Speaker 1: US like these people were guaranteed by their contracts a

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Speaker 1: certain like number of vested like internal stock units that

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Speaker 1: he's just saying, attempting to not pay people. God, what

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Speaker 1: a piece of shit. Robert Cayden was fired shortly after

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Speaker 1: the November vest payments went through on information belief. Caden

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Speaker 1: was fired because of his actions and making the November

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Speaker 1: RSU payment and compliance with Twitter's obligations over Musk subjections.

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Speaker 1: Delana Brand, Twitter's chief people officer and Hawkins's direct manager,

725
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Speaker 1: handed in her notice within days after the merger closed,

726
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Speaker 1: because she was disgusted at how people were being treated honor.

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Speaker 1: About October thirtieth, twenty twenty two, Hawkins attended a meeting

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Speaker 1: with Steve Davis, Jared Birchall, and many of Twitter's global leaders.

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Speaker 1: In that meeting, Davis announced several changes that voted ill

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Speaker 1: for Hawkins's team in her role at Twitter. First, he

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Speaker 1: announced that Twitter's sourcing and procurement team should handle all

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Speaker 1: lease negotiations from that point forward, despite lacking both personnel

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Speaker 1: and experience sufficient to handle this task. Next, he announced

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Speaker 1: that the company would no longer be working with brokers

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Speaker 1: to procure negotiate leases. This choice ran in conflict with

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Speaker 1: every established standard and practice of commercial real estate management.

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Speaker 1: And obviously this is like a massive burden on the

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Speaker 1: in house staff, which has just been like cut viciously.

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Speaker 1: The only justification given for changes was Elon wants this

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Speaker 1: very Soon thereafter, Davis informed Hawkins that Twitter needed to

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Speaker 1: five find five hundred million dollars in annual savings. So

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Speaker 1: to do this, just a half a billion, Yeah, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'd like us to find half a

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Speaker 1: billion dollars in savings this year. For the company. Can

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Speaker 1: we can we get the team on that, you know, sure? Maybe, yeah,

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Speaker 1: get the engineers on that. Sure, yeah, yeah, I'm willing

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Speaker 1: to cut out coffee. Garrison's going to need to find

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Speaker 1: like three or four hundred million dollars and uh yeah, together,

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Speaker 1: I think that'll do it. My hundred million dollars in

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Speaker 1: coffee and another three or four hundred million dollars we

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Speaker 1: can make it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I think that might be too much coffee anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're probably right for my heart. No,

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Speaker 1: I should just switch to cocaine again. That's that was

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Speaker 1: just like twenty or thirty million a year.

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Speaker 4: So I was gonna say tea maybe maybe switch to te.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I don't know about that English.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't think Fleetwood Mac

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Speaker 2: did too much tea, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, rumors wasn't made on Earl Gray, that was

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Speaker 1: made on China white anyway. To accomplish this, each global

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Speaker 1: lead was given a massive spreadsheet that had to be

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Speaker 1: filled out every single day, identifying possible savings opportunities. Hawkins'

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Speaker 1: spreadsheet covered thirty locations in upwards of fifty leashes. The

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Speaker 1: pressure to fill in the spreadsheet on time was immense.

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Speaker 1: Expectations from above made it clear that compliance was prioritized

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Speaker 1: above accuracy. That's a good You know you're making a

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Speaker 1: good team when people are like, you don't actually need

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Speaker 1: to do your job as long as you're on time.

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Speaker 3: That is wild.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. That's super funny.

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Speaker 5: It's that that Marvel thing where like like five months

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Speaker 5: ago they were like, we're gonna stop focusing on quantity

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Speaker 5: and start focusing on quality.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, you gotta do it before.

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Speaker 1: How would you describe what you were doing prior to this?

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Speaker 4: Make sure it's good first.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, yeah, it's it's it's pretty pretty good stuff.

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Speaker 1: For example, Twitter instructed Hawkins to identify leases for cancelation.

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Speaker 1: When she identified potential sites and leases that could be

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Speaker 1: terminated for cost savings, Hawkins and her team took the

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Speaker 1: time to document risk factors involved in downsizing or terminating

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Speaker 1: these leases. One of the big things is that like

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Speaker 1: if you break a lease, certainly you often have to

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Speaker 1: pay a fee, Like if you do that with your apartment,

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Speaker 1: you might have to pay like an extra month of rent.

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Speaker 1: If you do that for like a giant corporate lease

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Speaker 1: for thousands of workers. It could be significantly more.

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Speaker 3: Money, one would imagine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it notes when the time came to present

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Speaker 1: their conclusions, this added context was not well received. When

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Speaker 1: informed of the risks of termination fees during a meeting

793
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Speaker 1: on November third, twenty twenty two, Steve Davis said, well,

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Speaker 1: we just won't pay those. We just won't pay landlords.

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Speaker 1: Davis also tour to Hawkins, we just won't pay rent.

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Speaker 1: Those are direct quotes from Davis per Hawkins's best recollection,

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Speaker 1: to the extent that they are not word for word

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Speaker 1: as they're extremely tight paraphrase. Ada Hawkins is shocked because

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Speaker 1: part of her job, like is reputation based, Like I

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Speaker 1: am the person managing leases for this company, and we

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Speaker 1: will make meet our obligations.

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Speaker 4: Yeah time we paid, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah paid.

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Speaker 4: In general we pay again.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things that in order for Elon

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Speaker 1: to meet his cost saving goals, this woman has to

807
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: like destroy her future in the business knowing that she

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Speaker 1: will immediately get shit canned as soon as possible. It's

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00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: just like such a gross guy and way of looking

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Speaker 1: at people and looking at business like it's hard to

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Speaker 1: he doesn't look Yeah, no, he is incapable of of

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Speaker 1: like seeing or caring about human beings.

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Speaker 4: Which tools or little pieces for him? Yeah, lack of

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Speaker 4: a plan.

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Speaker 3: I guess players only love you when they're playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what everyone says about Elon Musk.

817
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Speaker 6: So I see it.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, a lot of these are going to be

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Speaker 1: half assed guys, but you know, like we're just not

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Speaker 1: going to make it all them all work very well.

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Speaker 1: Unwilling to be involved in, let alone responsible for such thefts,

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Speaker 1: Hawkins resigned the next day. He is asking her to steal.

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Speaker 1: She did so despite her internal commitment to remain through

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Speaker 1: the transition to protect her team, because she had no

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Speaker 1: other choice. Yeah, I get that. That that kind of

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00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: scans like he is saying, I need you to commit

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Speaker 1: a series of crimes for me. Elon Musk a man

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Speaker 1: incapable of loyalty.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, but that's the other thing, Like there's no

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Speaker 5: like there's just even if you're like on his good

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Speaker 5: side at one point.

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Speaker 1: It's worth nothing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's worth nothing, and you're worth nothing to him.

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Speaker 4: And as soon as you even.

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Speaker 5: Like not even like uh barely a challenge will turn

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Speaker 5: him around.

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Speaker 2: And then you're going who becomes the scapegoat for things. Actually,

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Speaker 2: in this situation which it hit the fan, you know,

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Speaker 2: they're more likely to get wrapped up in that. Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk isn't clearly he invaded all of it. We've all

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Speaker 2: seen succession, I think, right, we've seen it.

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00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 3: Maybe Robert hasn't.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, it happens. Yeah, I don't know what, Like,

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Speaker 1: I get why she did what she did. So Killian

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Speaker 1: is the next person we talked about. Joseph Killian. He

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Speaker 1: was Twitter's global head of construction and Design. He was

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Speaker 1: immediately given Hawkins's duties after she quits. He worked directly

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Speaker 1: with the transition team and was directed by Steve Davis

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Speaker 1: and Liz Jenkins, who worked for the Boring Company, and

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Speaker 1: Pablo Mendoza, a venture capitalist who invested with Musk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's that's that's cool. Oh god, oh god. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a big scam, but they still are

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Speaker 1: a company. They dug that stupid hole in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: I went through. That was like, you dumb as fuck.

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Speaker 4: They're not a company anymore.

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Speaker 1: I mean they have engaged in what are effectively a

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Speaker 1: series of like roping in local governments to agree to

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00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: work with him, and then actually.

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Speaker 5: Like ye and pulling it out and then like canceling

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00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 5: other uh yeah, more viable transportation plans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just to fuck with like public transportation. So I

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Speaker 1: just noted like this guy Killian gets given Hawkins his

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Speaker 1: job and he's being managed by Steve Davis and Liz

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Speaker 1: Jenkins who work for the boring company, and then there's

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Speaker 1: this bit which is amazing. Killian was also directed in

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Speaker 1: these activities by Nicole Hollander. On information and Belief, Hollander

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Speaker 1: was not employed by any of Musk's companies. On information

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Speaker 1: and belief, Hollander is Steve Davis's girlfriend than the mother

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Speaker 1: of his child. So Musk's Musks like Transition team are

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Speaker 1: just like hiring their girlfriends to manage the people in

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Speaker 1: committing real estate fraud.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing where it's like, yeah, if you like, say,

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Speaker 5: my god.

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Speaker 1: On information believe, Hollander was living at Twitter headquarters with

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Speaker 1: Davis and their infant child, who was a older what

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Speaker 1: the fuck?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, family values awesome.

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Speaker 1: Despite not being employed by any of Musk's companies, Hollander

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Speaker 1: nonetheless had full instructional authority over Killian and the rest

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Speaker 1: of his team with regards to the Transition Almost immediately,

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Speaker 1: Musk's zero cost basis policy reared its head. Killian was

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Speaker 1: informed by the transition team that he would have to

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Speaker 1: justify his spin to Musk personally, and that if Musk

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Speaker 1: was not convinced that the expenses were necessary, he would

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Speaker 1: simply default on his contractual obligations and let the expenses

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Speaker 1: go unpaid. In early November, Davis sent a three am

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Speaker 1: email to fifteen or twenty managers complaining about Twitter's rent obligations,

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Speaker 1: which totaled one hundred and thirty million annually. And this email,

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Speaker 1: Davis specifically compared Twitter's rent obligations to Spacexes, noting that

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Speaker 1: Twitter had one tenth as many employees as SpaceX but

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Speaker 1: paid five times as much rent annually. Of course, Twitter

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Speaker 1: had significantly more employees when it first incurred its rent obligations.

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Speaker 1: Killian quickly became concerned that Musk intended to stop paying

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Speaker 1: rent on Twitter's outstanding leases, breaching the com tracks and

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Speaker 1: placing the company at risk of being evicted. Indeed, Musk's attorney,

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Speaker 1: Alex Spiro gladly opined that it was unreasonable for Twitter

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Speaker 1: landlord Twitter's landlords to expect Twitter to pay rent since

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Speaker 1: San Francisco was a shithole. Oh my god, is.

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Speaker 3: That the only thing you need to not pay rent?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: This this city with a fraction of the violent crime,

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Speaker 1: for example, many parts of Texas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I was just gonna say, because if that's

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Speaker 2: the case, I think we could apply it to a

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Speaker 2: lot of places.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I yeah, I'm so. I'm so frustrated by this

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Speaker 1: man and all of the people around him. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: incredibly hateable, old man or a piece of shit whatever.

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Speaker 1: Musk even went so far as to prevent Twitter from

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Speaker 1: paying the janitorial staff for the work they had already

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Speaker 1: provided after the janitors complained about being fired. In essence,

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Speaker 1: it quickly became clear to Killian that Musk's intended method

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Speaker 1: of operation was to obtain services from vendors without any

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Speaker 1: intention of keeping the agreements or paying for services requested

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Speaker 1: and received. In other words, robbing people like stealing from them, theft,

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Speaker 1: the thing that he's complained about happening on the streets

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Speaker 1: of San Francisco.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's okay if you wear a suit and

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great if you wear a suit and do it.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely again, it's what kind of Yeah, I'm agreeing with you.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, the I really like it.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm not wrong.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like, if we're going to

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Speaker 1: have these really fucked up standard ground laws, you know,

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Speaker 1: where people can basically like commit murder if they feel

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Speaker 1: like their car is going to get stolen or something,

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Speaker 1: I feel like you should have the right to do that.

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Speaker 1: If you're like a janitor working for Elon Musk, like

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Speaker 1: you should you should be allowed to draw on him. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that this is a self defense situation law. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I whatever, I don't know, this is this is

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Speaker 1: so disheartening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really it's like really really disgusting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just uh, I guess I've seen some of

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Speaker 5: the uh fail get lifted and sort of like people's

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Speaker 5: like rose colored glasses on about him be taken off

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Speaker 5: a bit. But it's just obvious the kind of person

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Speaker 5: he is, and like how he doesn't really care about

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Speaker 5: a lot of the stuff he says.

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Speaker 4: He cares about. It's just I don't know, it sucks.

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Speaker 1: Hate it, Yeah, it sucks. He just cares about being. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's he's, he's he sees himself primarily as an entertainer

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Speaker 1: because for some reason, like all of the worst people

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Speaker 1: in America, his primary goal is to like be famous

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Speaker 1: for making people like laugh or whatever. Like it's weird

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Speaker 1: because like, stand up comedians are the most miserable people

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Speaker 1: in the world, and also all of the worst richest

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Speaker 1: people desperately wish they were a stand up comedian. Like

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Speaker 1: you saw it when fucking what's his name? Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle brought him out that like, oh, if you

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Speaker 1: could only yeah, if you could only have an audience

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Speaker 1: eating out of the palm of your hand, you would

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Speaker 1: be happier than you've ever been in your life.

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Speaker 3: But like, it's the one thing you can't buy.

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Speaker 2: And we've talked about that on various shows that we've

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Speaker 2: been on or have.

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Speaker 3: But you know, obviously this was not a cool kid.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 2: He's not a well liked person. The only cachet that

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Speaker 2: he's ever had is his money. He's not even a

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Speaker 2: smart innovative person. Every idea he's had is someone else's idea.

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Speaker 3: That he's tanking. I mean, are any of his businesses

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Speaker 3: doing well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you've seen a lot also with like the Ai

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Speaker 5: quote unquote boom, where it's so clear some of this

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Speaker 5: is just like, oh, you just wish you were a

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Speaker 5: little more creative.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, why they hate writers.

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Speaker 5: You hate exactly, you hate musicians, you hate creators because

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Speaker 5: you don't you can't do it well or you're not

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Speaker 5: praised enough for it or whatever, and so you have

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Speaker 5: to have the machine do it.

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Speaker 1: I think what we actually need to solve most of

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Speaker 1: our problems a basic income that ensures that like people

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Speaker 1: could just like paint or make music or do comedy,

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Speaker 1: uh and survive. And and here's the key part. Then

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Speaker 1: we use AI to give the people who are worst

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Speaker 1: at at a fan base so they feel like they're

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Speaker 1: successful and they don't become yeah yeah, yeah fans. Yeah

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Speaker 1: they'll they'll never meet them, they do the yeah exactly,

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Speaker 1: and then we can we don't have a.

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Speaker 5: Daily Lives doesn't exist account where they make like oh,

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Speaker 5: this is a fake person is made with a bunch

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Speaker 5: of people an audience of them following and clapping and

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Speaker 5: clicking the like button praising is bad pilot.

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Speaker 3: Now now I'm envisioning, like I know they're saying that.

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Speaker 1: What Now I'm envisioning like a Black Mirror episode where

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Speaker 1: some journalist is like confused at how there's so many

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Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro fans of his TV writing, or like how

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00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is such a successful stand up comedian and

992
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Speaker 1: he like he cracks the case and then like the

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Speaker 1: FBI has to come destroy him because you have like

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Speaker 1: you don't know what we're keeping it like we have

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Speaker 1: to let them think they're good.

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Speaker 2: Good, But I mean this scenario, look, was it a

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Speaker 2: couple of days ago?

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Speaker 3: The godfather of AI comes out saying this could be.

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Speaker 2: Our lead the world and our annilation. No, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: maybe this is our great positive reframe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what's even better than AI providing

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Speaker 1: a fan base for all of the your too right

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Speaker 1: wing culture warriors who got into advocating genocide because nobody

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Speaker 1: laughed at their jokes.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh well it's you. Oh, it's both of you.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Which is our time to plug stuff?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a time to do one one

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Speaker 4: less Fleetwood mac reference.

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Speaker 1: Oh I mean we.

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Speaker 4: Could we still can? I did?

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Speaker 2: This has been a total has been one of my dreams.

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Speaker 3: Now, that was bad.

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Speaker 1: That was that was that was good. That was good.

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Speaker 1: I'm proud of.

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Speaker 3: Being here to stay with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we have a show called some More News that

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Speaker 2: Cody hosts on the YouTube channel and a podcast that

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Speaker 2: Cody's going to tell you about now.

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Speaker 5: It's called some More News. Yeah, you can watch it

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Speaker 5: on YouTube dot com. Slash the name of the show,

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Speaker 5: probably and even more News is the name of the

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Speaker 5: podcast version, which is more of a different kind of show.

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Speaker 5: But it's the same people where podcasts are available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so check them both out.

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Speaker 4: Check it out.

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Speaker 5: Google the names of our names and you'll find all

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Speaker 5: the stuff that we do.

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Speaker 1: Google Google Katie Stole, Google Google Cody Johnston, or google

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00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: them by their nicknames see Money and k Money, which

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Speaker 1: is exclusively how I refer to them in private.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 4: Time.

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Speaker 5: I don't really respond because I always forget, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's how I type it out when I'm saying I

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Speaker 5: just call you both, come money.

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Speaker 1: But they seem to know, Oh, I definitely that works,

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Speaker 1: Come Money, Come honey.

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Speaker 2: I just have one last thing to say to you both,

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Speaker 2: and it's that you make love and fun.

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Speaker 1: Ah, there we go, There we go. Yeah, come back

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Speaker 1: for the next part of this series, when we'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about another album. I don't know which other album.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you guys feel about the

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Speaker 1: dire straits? I only know one song that they wrote.

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Speaker 3: I only know a couple songs limited.

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Speaker 4: I only know money for nothing, limited references available.

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Speaker 1: Well, well we'll work again. We just do rumors again.

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Speaker 1: You know. H. Every time I accidentally say something offensive,

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Speaker 1: we leave it in for you guys. That's right. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot of piss. Yeah, that's that's my.

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Speaker 3: New piss out of a podcast.

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Speaker 1: U when we say it the way we do. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's really not bones Yeah, uh definitely not. Okay, anyway,

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