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Speaker 2: One. We thought we had the sort of audience that

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Speaker 2: Just sort of a like this time of year, you know,

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Speaker 2: How about, just from my own personal standpoint, how about

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Speaker 1: I think you know lots of people do that, oh.

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Speaker 3: Right, And we wanted to advocate for the things we

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and a number of organizations through the years

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Speaker 2: the Scouts. And the reason for that is you've heard

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Speaker 1: Years, many many, many many years ago. Because I'm quite.

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Speaker 2: Old, but watching Scouts and realizing how much more there

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Speaker 1: All that stuff and it's really really cool. But learning about.

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Speaker 2: more people could get involved in Scouting. And we'd like

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Speaker 2: to welcome into the studio today our guest, Paul Helman.

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Speaker 1: Paul is a.

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Speaker 2: Noted member of Scouting America with over fifty years of

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Speaker 2: volunteer service to Scouting. Paul, you've been in almost every

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Speaker 2: commissioner to now you've been a council president at various times.

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Speaker 2: Now you're on the executive committee and board of directors

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Speaker 2: for a council. Paul, welcome into the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: What what What'd be.

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Speaker 1: The number one thing you would say Scouting's.

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Speaker 4: Trying to do create leaders for tomorrow, create leaders for tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: It is amazing how many times I hear people running

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Speaker 1: That does come up a lot.

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Speaker 2: But here's what I found out and noticed that I

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Speaker 2: didn't know before on how the adults just kind of

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Speaker 2: And he got like the fifteen year olds who've been

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Speaker 1: Just the self sustained model that you've got.

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Speaker 2: And then these kids, and I said this on the

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Speaker 1: They seem like they're in their twenties. A lot of

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Speaker 4: Exit observation that you've made there, What we are really

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Speaker 4: creating here in Scout in America is a laboratory of learning.

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Speaker 4: So that leader, that twelve year old leader, will then

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Speaker 4: Where do we set up our tent? Not only how

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Speaker 1: That sort of stuff. Yeah, Joe. You know, it strikes me, Paul,

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Speaker 2: But like I said, my experience has been you want

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Speaker 4: That that's true. You think about the values we have

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Speaker 2: My son got elected whatever the first step is patrol

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely credible.

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Speaker 1: And Joe and I have talked about this a lot

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Speaker 3: People rise to your expectations, especially kids over It's one

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Speaker 1: Paul. I'm sure you've seen that a million times.

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Speaker 4: And I have a tenacity that's the sort of grit.

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Speaker 2: As I said, I've seen I've seen sixteen year olds

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Speaker 4: Well, you have your your personal pensis, which would be

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Speaker 2: COVID is really hard on scouting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, COVID caused us the inability to meet as a group,

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Speaker 4: for the congregations.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Paul, we've just got like thirty more seconds, But

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Speaker 3: can you speak quickly to scouting and patriotism is that

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Speaker 3: still a fundamental part of what you do.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely is what we party.

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Speaker 1: We have the American flag on our uniform.

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Speaker 4: We recite the Pledge of Allegiance before every single meeting,

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Speaker 4: we salute the flag, and we're one of the few

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Speaker 4: organizations in the United Statess allowed to retire American flags.

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Speaker 4: We have a very respectful ceremony that we go through

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Speaker 4: when we retire the flags and burn them and bury

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Speaker 4: them as they need to be.

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Speaker 1: I see that every week.

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Speaker 2: What do you call the thing when they bring out

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Speaker 2: the people and they take the flags down and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 1: Flag ceremonial. Yeah, the flags are many.

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Speaker 2: I see that every week, and it's so cool and having,

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Speaker 2: you know, seeing these kids do it and take it

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Speaker 2: so seriously and quietly and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: It's just awesome.

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Speaker 4: They standard attention and salute. They very much take it

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Speaker 4: very seriously.

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Speaker 1: Paul Helman, thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 2: Thanks first of all, thanks for your time all the

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Speaker 2: years he had donated to Scouting and you know, just

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Speaker 2: helping out youth all across America and all the people,

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Speaker 2: all the volunteers that I've seen that work so hard.

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Speaker 2: We're going to raise as much money as we can

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Speaker 2: for you this week. We appreciate you coming in.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We've got a lot of stories

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Speaker 1: to tell. Armstrong and Getty