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Speaker 1: The Volumetol championships. That should always do the expectations.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, at you go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast. Another day, another dollar, Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: Some young men just made some dreams come true last night.

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Speaker 3: But one guy who we're a fan of did not

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Speaker 3: have his dream come true, at least as of yet.

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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders, son of crime Ton Dion Sanders. We thought

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Speaker 3: he would go to the Giants at three, potentially the

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Speaker 3: Raiders at six, maybe the Saints at nine. If that

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Speaker 3: all failed, I thought it was almost a guarantee that

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Speaker 3: he'd go to Tomlin at twenty. He went none of

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Speaker 3: those spots. Not only did he not go, Mitchell, the

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Speaker 3: Giants come back trade back into the draft to the

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth pick and take a quarterback that where's number two?

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Speaker 3: But it was not shir Door Sanders, and that is unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: They took Jackson Dard, who it seems like just randomly,

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Speaker 3: you know, his stocks started to fly and increase late

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Speaker 3: in the season. I mean, his stats looked really good.

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Speaker 3: He did play an SEC. But obviously Shador had incredible stats.

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Speaker 3: One you know, best quarterback in college seventy four percent

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Speaker 3: completion percentage over forty touchdowns passing the football led his

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Speaker 3: team to I mean a much better record, improved record

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Speaker 3: than they had ever had. I thought he played incredible football.

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Speaker 2: I thought he showed enough to be drafted in the

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Speaker 2: first round in the National Football League and obviously the

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Speaker 2: I would imagine. But what do you think about that

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Speaker 2: and why do you think it happened?

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Speaker 4: Well, Richard? First off, this should be a national holiday.

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Speaker 4: The NFL draft by far my favorite time of the year.

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Speaker 4: Shador Sanders, like you said, I mean, he got it

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Speaker 4: done at Jackson State, he moves on to Colorado, elevates

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Speaker 4: Obviously he had a huge weapon in Travis Hunter, who

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Speaker 4: won number two overall. Rightfully so, but it yields the

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Speaker 4: question of hey, is it because of his last name?

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Speaker 4: Do you think these teams are looking at him as

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Speaker 4: a potential distraction because he is a son of Dion

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Speaker 4: Sanders coach prime I just don't get it because you

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Speaker 4: saw we saw reports from the anonymous executives saying that

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Speaker 4: you know, he interviewed terribly, He was what was a word, pretentious, entitled.

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Speaker 4: You don't see it with that level of talent because

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Speaker 4: there are so many teams that are QB needy and

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Speaker 4: not make sense to me. So that begs the question,

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Speaker 4: do you think that had anything to do with this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, let's get to the first thing. You're

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Speaker 2: adressed anonymous sources, and you know how I feel about

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Speaker 2: anonymous sources and people who don't have to put their

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Speaker 2: name behind things, People who don't have to put their

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Speaker 2: their word behind things, their face behind things. Not only

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Speaker 2: that people can make up stores. People can make up

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Speaker 2: things and nobody has said them and say, hey, anonymous

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Speaker 2: source said sir Door Sanders did this, or Jackson dor

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Speaker 2: no investigation into this source, so that you can say, hey,

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Speaker 2: it may not be a source at all. And that's

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Speaker 2: a very frustrating thing for me to deal with, and

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Speaker 2: to see such negative press put out there. Astra Door

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Speaker 2: don't know who it's from at all. We could you

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Speaker 2: could sit there and say high level exec, what high

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Speaker 2: because they're bad general Leonards of the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: There are bad coaches, there are bad scouts. So you

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing. Even with an anonymous source,

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Speaker 2: You can never vet it's even actual, real source, and

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Speaker 2: that's very frustrating. But Shador played well enough to be

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Speaker 2: You draft a better player that you can help build

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders at twenty was really head scratching for me

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Speaker 2: because you don't have an answer in the house right now.

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Speaker 2: to go out there and not make this team better

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Speaker 2: you're going to pass on improving it. And I don't

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Speaker 2: Maybe you didn't think he was right for you program,

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Speaker 2: quarterback needy teams like the Giants go pick Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 2: Why do you pick Jackson Dart over Shador Sanders. Please

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Speaker 2: show me the tape or show me what it was

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Speaker 2: I think every draft expert hat Shador over Jackson Dark.

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dark kind of moved up the forward to lighton

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Speaker 2: So I mean outside of hey, if you had some

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Speaker 2: But if you're saying, hey, this guy, we've watched all

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Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense. The only thing I can think

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Speaker 4: it seems to me like the Steelers are banking on

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Speaker 4: to be a long and frustrating season. We've seen George

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Speaker 4: Shador Sanders, the one knock on him that you see

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Speaker 4: from scouts is that you know he's timing. He's not

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Speaker 4: This guy's a playmaker. He's got everything you need in

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Speaker 4: Shador Sanders is just that.

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 4: If I'm an organization in need of a quarterback. I'm

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Speaker 4: You'd figure you get the guy with that level of

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Speaker 4: But the Cleveland Browns and trading out of that pick,

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Speaker 4: and now they're in position to draft another quarterback. The

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Speaker 4: This to me, for the Cleveland Browns is their saving grace,

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Speaker 4: this trade that fell in their lap last night. Have

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Speaker 4: You know, how good would you feel to be a

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Speaker 2: I think this is best case scenario for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: he's getting up there in age and you can bring

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Speaker 2: a young guy. He's a perfect guy to mentor young

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Speaker 2: I think it's just surprising that he was available at

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Speaker 4: Richard, you slid in the draft. I know you talk

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Speaker 4: throughout your entire career about what that did to that

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to be humbling and motivating

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Speaker 2: And I think it's gonna make him a better player,

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Speaker 2: I know it's frustrating for me. I had to wait

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Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit more about his former team

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Speaker 4: He loves him some. Travis Hunter. He said, there are

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I think you've gotten to the point

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Speaker 2: And so if he makes that kind of impact in it,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they'll use him. I would, I

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Speaker 2: and he's not able to make the impact that you

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Speaker 2: it because of his star power that he brings, the

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Speaker 2: you need to play for generational talent, rather than pass

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Speaker 4: I know what he wants to play balls sides of

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Speaker 4: and he's proven he's more than capable of doing so.

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Speaker 4: But with that comes a lot of questions. Obviously he's

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Speaker 4: a well conditioned athlete. But Richard, you talked about it

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Speaker 4: Is it fully realistic? And if he's only going to play,

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Speaker 4: to your point, fifty percent of the staffs defensively, Like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's to be seen. You know, it hasn't been

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Speaker 2: done a lot at corner. Yes, why you don't see

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Speaker 2: You see it at receiver, because the receiver can come

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Speaker 2: you know, get a squig, come back in there and

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Speaker 2: But at corner it's really difficult to do because you

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Speaker 2: you know, but it's something he's done in the cut

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Speaker 2: at the college level, He's shown that he's capable of

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Speaker 2: have a great plan for him. You know, you've got

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Speaker 2: to keep him in there for a while on defense

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Speaker 2: He not really lose his impact. But I think if

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Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit bout your former teams. Will start

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Speaker 4: lot of needs going in this draft, a lot of

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Speaker 4: That comes with some tough roster decisions, and John Lynch

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Speaker 4: handled those the best he thought he could. They had

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Speaker 4: out of Georgia number eleven. He's coming off an ankle

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Speaker 2: I'm really happy. I think he's gonna be a great player.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a great pick. You can't really go

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Speaker 2: the other side of Bosa, and they've been trying to

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Speaker 2: do that for years. They tried it with Leonard Floyd,

432
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Speaker 2: they tried it with Chase Young, who you know had

433
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Speaker 2: some success, and they've been trying to find him a

434
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Speaker 2: complimentary piece for a number of years, so hopefully this

435
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: guy's the answer. The coaches are really excited about him,

436
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 2: and the staff is really excited about him. They were

437
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Speaker 2: trying to trade up to get him. Luckily he failed

438
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Speaker 2: to them at the spot they were in. So that's

439
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Speaker 2: been really good.

440
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Speaker 4: And now they have picked forty three, seventy five and

441
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Speaker 4: one hundred day two of the draft. Obviously, as we said,

442
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Speaker 4: they got a lot of positions in need. Which route

443
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Speaker 4: would you most like to see them go?

444
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Speaker 2: Well? Offensive line, offensive line, offensive line, offensive line, offensive line,

445
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Speaker 2: offense line, because I know that Kyle and John feel

446
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Speaker 2: comfortable with the guys they have, but I don't think

447
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: I do. I don't know if the fans do, but

448
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, they know more than me and they know better.

449
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Speaker 2: But I just think depth is always an issue, and

450
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 2: guys consistently get hurt, and you can never have enough

451
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Speaker 2: good offense blindman, and there are very few in the

452
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Speaker 2: National Football League and even fewer to go around to

453
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Speaker 2: other teams. So with Trent Williams, you know, obviously getting

454
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Speaker 2: up there in age, you know, getting a little banged up,

455
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: you got to have more guys that can be able

456
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Speaker 2: to play in case he gets banged up or you

457
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Speaker 2: get banged up somewhere else. You got to have guys

458
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Speaker 2: that can come in there and play and contribute, and

459
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Speaker 2: I just don't think they have enough right now. They

460
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Speaker 2: lost Jalen Moore, who was their swing tackle, you know,

461
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: who did come in there and play when guys got hurt.

462
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Speaker 2: So I think that's a place you got to address. Obviously,

463
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Speaker 2: a lot of tackles went off the board late. The

464
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Speaker 2: Chiefs got to tackle at the end of the first round,

465
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Speaker 2: and I think that's something you got to really look

466
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Speaker 2: forward to if you're San Francisco forty nine ers. So

467
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Speaker 2: obviously corners a position to need safety with Tella Noah

468
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Speaker 2: Hufanga going to Denver is a position at you're gonna

469
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Speaker 2: need to address. Mustafa's gonna gonna obviously beat the penciled

470
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: in starter, but I think you got to continue to

471
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Speaker 2: find death at those positions. Linebacker you lose. Green Law

472
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: is a position they've drafted really well at and they

473
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Speaker 2: have to continue to draft well at. So those are

474
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Speaker 2: spots that I would be looking at if I'm in

475
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Speaker 2: San Francisco for nuns.

476
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Speaker 4: Let's go a little bit further North Seattle Seahawks, they're

477
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Speaker 4: talking about offensive line trench work Richard Gray Zabel out

478
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Speaker 4: of North Dakota State. Rumor has it he was slugging

479
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 4: a bunch of bush lights last night with his family.

480
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 4: This is a guy, you know, I know a lot

481
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Speaker 4: of teams liked and frankly, I was hoping he would

482
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Speaker 4: slide all the way down to the Lions. Obviously Seattle

483
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 4: liked him. He's versatile. You know, he played tackle at

484
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Speaker 4: North Dakota State. He can play guard and I think

485
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Speaker 4: they're going to probably slot him in at guard in

486
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Speaker 4: the NFL. But how important was this pick for the

487
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Speaker 4: Seattle Sea Is they try to bolster that offensive line.

488
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Speaker 2: It's really important. I mean, this is this is one

489
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: of those picks and you could hear John talking about it.

490
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: The last interior offensive lineman that was drafted this high

491
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Speaker 2: was Hutch and you know, he's an all time in

492
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame offensive lineman, you know, one of

493
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: the greatest to ever play. And so that's what you need.

494
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: And obviously that's really high expectations of big shoes to

495
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: feel for Zabel, But I think they expect this guy

496
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Speaker 2: to be a really impactful player for a very long

497
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: time and early on, and I don't know if he's

498
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: going to be playing guard or center or tackle. I

499
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: think they're going to keep him inside, so either center

500
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: or guard. But this is where they had to go.

501
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 2: They had a rough time on the interior offensive line

502
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Speaker 2: last year. They got a lot of pressure up the

503
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Speaker 2: middle or down the middle throughout the year. So being

504
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Speaker 2: able to solidify that with the quarterback who's less mobile

505
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: than Geno Smith was not that Sam Donald can't move

506
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: around and can't run when he has to, but he's

507
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: not known to be a mobile quarterback. He's more of

508
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: a pocket passer. Stand in there, set his feet and

509
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: deliver the football. And I think the better you can

510
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 2: protect him, the more effective he's going to be, and

511
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: the more effective any quarterback is going to be if

512
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Speaker 2: you keep him clean. So it was really important for

513
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: them to create a strong pocket for Sam Darnold, and

514
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Speaker 2: I think that's what they did. That's what they're focused on.

515
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Speaker 2: And I'm very impressed with John and this pick. I

516
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 2: think this is a great pick. I think this is

517
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Speaker 2: a great player, and I think this player is going

518
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Speaker 2: to be really good with this franchise for a long time.

519
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: It's not always the flashy picks that push organizations forward.

520
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the consistent, like hard working, the do right guys,

521
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: and you get enough of them in your organization, you

522
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: become a really complete team, like your Detroit Lions. That's

523
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Speaker 2: why they are a factor now. They've drafted really well

524
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Speaker 2: on the offensive and defensive line over the last couple

525
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: of years and it's made them contenders year in and

526
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: year out. And I think that's what Seattle's going to

527
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: do now. They obviously have drafted defensive lineman consistently, and

528
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: now they draft the offensive line, and that's going to

529
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Speaker 2: help him for a long time.

530
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Speaker 4: So I love to pay well. You talked about being

531
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 4: a hard worker and being dedicated. He's a farmer in

532
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 4: his free time, rich, so you know you're gonna have

533
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 4: to have to find some landform to farm up there

534
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: in Seattle and moreover. You know, obviously he played it

535
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 4: in DSU this era of the transfer portal. He probably

536
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: could have gone anywhere, and I know there was a

537
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: lot of Power five schools that were interested in them,

538
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: but he was loyal to NDSU and stuck it out

539
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Speaker 4: for the rest of his career. You know, I have

540
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 4: to believe that the Seattle Seahawks organization viewed that as

541
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 4: a huge positive because we see it time and time

542
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: again with these guys bouncing from team to team to team,

543
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 4: and I can imagine that the turnoff for GMS, And

544
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: I know you probably think that same way. How big

545
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Speaker 4: do you think it is for an organization to look

546
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Speaker 4: at a player's loyalty to their college university that they're

547
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Speaker 4: sticking with for five years.

548
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Speaker 2: I think it's important, but I think that each situation

549
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: is unique. You know, you look at Travis Hunter. He

550
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: left Jackson State to go to Colorado, but he left

551
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: because probably left. He left, sure because it's coaching staff,

552
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: So it's unique opportunities like that. Sometimes you run the

553
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: situation where literally the entire coaching staff leaves, like the

554
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: University of Washington, the staff left to go to University

555
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: of Alabama. You know that's going to affect kids. But

556
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: I think there is a microscope on kids that are

557
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: leaving more than two three times from a university. You know,

558
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: it's a bad look. Obviously, it's in the news right

559
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: now about the guy, the quarterback from Tennessee wanting to

560
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: leave because he wasn't getting four million dollars in going

561
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: to UCLA and getting last. Things like that will be

562
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: red flags for teams because it's just unnecessary headaches. And

563
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: there are a lot of there's a huge talent of

564
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: talent pool in college football, and unless you're at the

565
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: tivity top of that talent pool, you're not going to

566
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: get to be given the grace. And now, if you're

567
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: a monster and you're a guy that you know talent,

568
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: talent gives you more grace, Mitchell, the more talent, the

569
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: more grace, the more leash. But I think they are

570
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: looking at that more kids that are like, hey, I'm

571
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 2: not the starter this year, so I transfer. Oh I

572
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: wasn't started there as. I think that's going to start

573
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: to be a red flag that teams look at, and

574
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: teams don't want to pursue kids like that, or at

575
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: least don't want to draft them early on in the draft.

576
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 2: They're going to wait a few rounds and let it

577
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: be somebody else's problem. Let it be somebody else, because

578
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: those are the kids that'll be holding out the disputing contracts,

579
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: not coming to practice because of certain things. And I think, yeah,

580
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: that's definitely gonna be something teams have to have to

581
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: be where we now.

582
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Speaker 4: The Seahawks, after trading DK Metcalf, sit with a plethora

583
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Speaker 4: of Day two Picksy, they're picking fifty to fifty two,

584
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 4: eighty two, and ninety two on day two. Obviously they

585
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: have a whole lot wide receiver. You know, Tyler Lockett

586
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: walks out the door. DK Metcalf is traded. Where do

587
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: you want to see the Seattle Seahawks go on Day two?

588
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: Well, I think they're going to have to continue to

589
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: look at offensive line obviously. I think they're good just

590
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: about everywhere else, you know. I think they feel good

591
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: with Cane nine and Sharbona at the running back spot.

592
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: I do think another receiver in the second round, I

593
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: mean between fifty fifty two and ninety eight, you know,

594
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: I think you're going to be able to find a

595
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: wide receiver that's that's capable of being a really good

596
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: player in the National Football League. I think linebacker somewhere

597
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: where you can always look for death. I think they're

598
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: really good at d line right now now. But you know,

599
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike McDonald donald is of the understanding that

600
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: more is more and if you can never have enough

601
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: defensive lineman in pass rushers. So I'm sure if there's

602
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 2: a guy there that they can't miss on, they're going

603
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: to take him. But I think right now they're going

604
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: to just pick best available. I think they continue to

605
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: go off into the line. But I think if there's

606
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: a guy there that is a pass rusher, our corner,

607
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: or somebody that they just feel like they cannot miss on,

608
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: a guy they cannot pass on. If Will Johnson's did it,

609
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: I think you take him because I think he's a

610
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: guy that had a first round grade. I think they're

611
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: saying he has some chronic issues with his knee is

612
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: why he fell out of the first round. But I

613
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: think in the second round, if you're looking at a

614
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: guy like that who was considered a top ten talent

615
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: majority of his career, you got to take a flyer

616
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: on that. He's stare at fifty.

617
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Speaker 4: I think he's I'm right there with you. I love

618
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: the best player available approach, especially for the sea Ars

619
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Speaker 4: with this amount of picks. I think so many draft

620
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: analysts and you know, Twitter analysts, whatever you want to

621
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Speaker 4: call them, they get so caught up in the positional

622
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 4: value of who's being drafted. They look at a team's

623
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Speaker 4: need and said, oh, you know, you need a defensive

624
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 4: end and you drafted a safety, and they don't sit

625
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 4: back and analyze the player, you know, I mean, you

626
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: don't want to sit there and reach. These are these

627
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: organizations that these organizations that stay in this perpetual hamster

628
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: wheel of mediocrity are the ones that are reaching on

629
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Speaker 4: positions of need as opposed to taking the best player available.

630
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Speaker 4: And that's something we see with the Philadelphia Eagles every

631
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 4: single year that they're taking the best player available. They

632
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 4: get Jahig Campbell again this year, who was widely considered

633
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: a top fifteen pick. I know he's got some injury issues,

634
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: but good organizations draft the best player available. So you know,

635
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 4: while these analysts are going to get caught up and

636
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: analyzing the position that was drafted, sit back and analyze

637
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: the player. The Seahawks have got an absolute war Chester

638
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: to Capitol in day two. We'll see what they do

639
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: with it. Let's transition to Pete Carroll, your former coach

640
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 4: down now in Vegas. They take a stab. I know

641
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: he likes to hammer the rock, you know, I'm sure

642
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: he would love to have prime Marshawn Lynch in his backfield.

643
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 4: And he got the best thing he could next to that,

644
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 4: and that's Ashton Genty out of Boise State. A lot

645
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: of folks question taking a running back that high at

646
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: number six overall, but obviously Pete Carroll and the Raiders

647
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 4: have a planned for him. What are your thoughts on

648
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 4: Ashton Genty to the Raiders at six.

649
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a perfect fit in a perfect game,

650
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: in a perfect place for Ashton Genty. I think it's

651
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: a great pick for Pete Carroll and the Las Vegas

652
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: Raiders because of the way he likes to coach and

653
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: it likes to gain play in a football game. He

654
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: loves to run the football, play action pass, he loves

655
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: to control the clock to keep the defense off the

656
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: field as long as possible, and I think that's what

657
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna do. That's been his recipe for success. That

658
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: was our recipe for success when we went to the

659
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, when we won the Super Bowl and went

660
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: the next year, is Hey, we're not gonna throw it

661
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: a ton, but when we throw it, we're gonna take

662
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: care of the ball. We're not gonna turn it over

663
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: a ton. We're not gonna have a lot of risky plays.

664
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna run the ball. Well, we're gonna control the clock.

665
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna kinda three yards in a cloud of dust

666
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: our way through, pop some big ones, and then we're

667
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: gonna play great defense. We're gonna play sound defense, gap control, gap, sound,

668
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: not letting footballs fly over our head. We're gonna make

669
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: them walk the ball on the field, be stingy in

670
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: the red zone, and they're gonna win football games. And

671
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 2: I think he has the running back that's a home

672
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: run hitter that hey, when there's a hole, there there's

673
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: a gap, there's a tackle to be broken. He's gonna

674
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: be able to get those extra yards. He's gonna be

675
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: able to be durable enough to be at every down

676
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: back for him, He's shown that in college. He's shown

677
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: that he can be the guy that your team. And

678
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: then he has a veteran quarterback in Geno Smith that

679
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: he just got that he knows well, that he knows

680
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: can get the job done that he needs done to

681
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: win football games. And I think that's going to be

682
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: really important and really fun to watch. I think it's

683
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: gonna be a great situation for Gino. I think it's

684
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: gonna be a great move for all parties involved in

685
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: Raiders fans should be excited.

686
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm with you. The Las Vegas Raiders, Geno Smith should

687
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: be thrilled. I mean, they got weapons there in Las

688
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: Vegas for Gino. I mean, this Ashton genty draft pick

689
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 4: makes a ton of sense. And you got Brock Powers,

690
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 4: one of the rising stars. Arguably the best tight end

691
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 4: in football is rookie year right. I mean, and he's

692
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: only going to get better going into year two. Vegas

693
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: might be a team to look out for going into

694
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: this season. Richard, I want to talk a little bit

695
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 4: about my Detroit Lions. They were picking them towards the

696
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: bottom of the draft, which it takes them getting used

697
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: to as a Detroit Lions fan, but I loved it, man.

698
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: I was able to watch the entire draft and we

699
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: saw how it fell to us. The Lions team, their organization,

700
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 4: they stood pat this free agency period. They didn't make

701
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: a ton of splashy moves. They obviously got DJ Reid Well,

702
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 4: like we talked about, they're building from the ball out

703
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: and they got Tyleek Williams out of Ohio State. And

704
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 4: I know a lot of folks want the edge rusher.

705
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 4: They wanted Mike Green out of Marshall or the kid

706
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 4: out of Boston College, but TYLERK Williams. Brad Holmes seems

707
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: to get it. You air on the side of drafting

708
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 4: from a high end college football program, and you did

709
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 4: just that with Ohio State. TYLERK Williams earned honorable mention

710
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 4: as freshman and sophomore year, and with third team All

711
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: Big Ten both of his junior and senior year. What

712
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 4: are your thoughts about this pick for the Detroit Lions

713
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: at defensive tackle TYLERK Williams.

714
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: I think, as always man, they make really solid picks,

715
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: guys that are going to play in the National Football

716
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: League for a long time, be really impactful. I thought

717
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: it was a great pick, a guy that's going to

718
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: help them again, not a flashy, splashy pick, but a

719
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: pick that fans will appreciate when you when you look

720
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: in December and January and their stuff the run and

721
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: the guys aren't able to run the ball in this defense,

722
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: They're going to appreciate this pick. But I think Brad

723
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: Holmes has done a great job building this team. This

724
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: was the best talent he felt like was available in

725
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: terms of the health they're trying to get away from

726
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: drafting guys with health issues, our medical problems, our medical

727
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: red flags, and that has been apparent with the way

728
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: he's drafted. But I think this is a great pick.

729
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: The guy that's going to contribute for a long time,

730
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: a guy that's going to be really rock solid in

731
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: the middle of that defense, and I think the fans

732
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: will eventually be very excited.

733
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 4: Let's talk a little bit about the cornerbacks in this

734
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: year's draft. We didn't see a whole lot of them

735
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: getting taken in Round one. It was it was really

736
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: only too Jday Baron out of Texas. Who's that Swiss

737
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: Army knife. Jim Thorpe Award winner goes to the Broncos,

738
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: which is going to just build that secondary and that

739
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 4: defense of that Denver Bronco team even more, and Maxwell

740
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: Harrison goes to the Bills. Let's start with Jaday Baron.

741
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: How much do you like what the Denver Broncos are

742
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 4: doing here? It seems like, you know, everyone thought their

743
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: secondary was set. You got Pat, You've got all these

744
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: other guys and one of the best defenses in football,

745
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 4: but they're making their position of strength stronger. What are

746
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 4: your thoughts on Joday Baron to the Denver Broncos, I mean,

747
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: the rich get richer, and they're focusing on defense.

748
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: They feel like that's the way they're gonna win football

749
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: games strong, having a strong defense and being able to

750
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 2: stop guys. They play a lot of Manda Man covers,

751
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: so the more the marry, the more guys got out

752
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: there to cover. Riley Moss had a really great season.

753
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: Obviously had that rough game against the Cincinnati Bengals and

754
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: t Higgins, but for overall, I think people understand certain

755
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: end the defensive player of the year, reigning defensive player

756
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: of the Year is going to be out there. He's

757
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: going to probably be on the team's best wide receiver,

758
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: and everybody else is going to be really impactful. I

759
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: think I don't know if they expect today Baron to

760
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: be on the outside or the inside, but he played

761
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: a number of positions and he can play inside, he

762
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: can play outside. He has the safety spot, so I'm

763
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: interested to see how they use him. But it's going

764
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: to be a really fun defense to watch this year.

765
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: They were fun to watch last year, but they're only

766
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 2: getting better. And then the Bills they address a position

767
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: to need.

768
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 4: Maxwell Harrison, you know, really rose up the draft boards

769
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: running a four to eight at the combine out of Kentucky.

770
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 4: They project him as a slot corner. Obviously, the Bills

771
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: need some help in the secondary. What do you think

772
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 4: of this pick for them? I think it's great. I mean,

773
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: they got banged up late in the season. They get

774
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: banged up at the corner spot just about every year

775
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 4: where they lose guys and lose starters. So this is

776
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: the guy I think they know can play and he

777
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: can play man and man, he can play zone, he

778
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: can play everything.

779
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: He's got a great set of hands. I think he's

780
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: gonna be a really good football player. But we'll see.

781
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: Buffalo's a tough place to play dB with the weather

782
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: and inclement weather, and they've drafted corners early on before

783
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: that haven't necessarily panned out the way they wanted him to.

784
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: But I think this is one that's going to pan

785
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: out well as you look at this position. I mean,

786
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: who is your favorite dB in this draft class? Was

787
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: it today, Baron?

788
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 4: I know we already talked about Will Johnson. Let's leave

789
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter out of this conversation for the time being,

790
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: because I think he takes the cake on that Who's

791
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: your favorite dB? In this class.

792
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: Well, Will Johnson was my favorite dB. You know, I

793
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: thought he played the game the right way. He plays

794
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: with an understanding, great feet, great instincts, great hands. But

795
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: unfortunately he didn't run well and he has the injury concerned.

796
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: But he's my favorite porter in the draft, and he's

797
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: still available, and I think he's going to have a

798
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: great NFL career. I could be wrong. I haven't seen

799
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: the medical report on him, but he's the guy that

800
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: I had high hopes for.

801
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 4: Let's talk winners and losers here as round one concluded.

802
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: And I know it's hard to say. We're all armchair

803
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 4: you know analysts here, but who's your best team? I said,

804
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 4: round one, all things consider, who do you think took

805
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: the cake as the winner of the draft?

806
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: I hate doing that. I don't know, That's all I

807
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: can't say on that, because you know, you got bad

808
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: teams picking really good players, and you've got great teams

809
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: picking players late in the draft. They're still great teams.

810
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: You know, the Kennessee Chiefs they get worse, No, they didn't.

811
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: They're still They've been in the super Bowl the last

812
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: few years, what for the last five years, and they'll

813
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: likely be there again. The Philadelphia Eagles got great, but

814
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: the Jacksonville jack Wars got Travis Hunter. Did they get better? Sure,

815
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: you know they picked up a great player, high caliber player,

816
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: but they have the other things to work out. There's

817
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: a reason their coach got fired. There's a reason they're

818
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: picking this high in the draft because they have some

819
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: things to fix. But draft picks, I hate when they

820
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: do winners and losers of draft. They are winners and

821
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: losers of the offseason because you really won't know until

822
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: you line up on Sundays. You know, there's been Super

823
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: Bowl champions named in the off season that have top

824
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: picked top five the last The next year, you know, hey,

825
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: they won the off season, But why are they picking

826
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: top five again? Because they didn't win anything offseason? Isn't

827
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: isn't a record captist out a time who lines up

828
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: on Sundays for seventeen weeks and plays well? And I

829
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: think we won't know that. We won't even know how

830
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: some of these rookies will play until they line it

831
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: up in training camp. So I've got no comment on

832
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: who won or who lost. I like a lot of

833
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: these picks. I like the Seahawks pick, I like the Niners, pick.

834
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: I love Travis Hunter going to Jacksonville. We'll see what

835
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks Jackson Dart and cam Ward. We'll see how

836
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: cam Ward does in Tennessee. I like Mason Graham in Cleveland.

837
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: I like Dual Carter in with the Giants, you know,

838
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: with Dexter Lawrence and Cavon Thibodeau. I think that's going

839
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 2: to be a really formidable front that's gonna grek hav

840
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: It four a lot of teams.

841
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 4: I tend to agree with you this winner and loser

842
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 4: segment here rewind back to twenty twenty three. My Detroit

843
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 4: Lions were considered the losers of the draft when they

844
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: took Jamiir Gibbs, Jack Campbell, Samuel Porter, and Brian Branch

845
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: and we see how that critique panned out. Richard, again,

846
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 4: my favorite time of year. Round one is a rap

847
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: I know you're going to be presenting Round two pick

848
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: for the Seattle Seahawks tonight. I know you're excited about it.

849
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: I will let you sign us off, my friend. Well,

850
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: I appreciate you, Mitchell. This is a great time of

851
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 4: the year. I hope you guys are enjoying and enjoying

852
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: the team. The guys your team picked. I think this

853
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 4: is gonna be a great day. I look forward to

854
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: announcing the Seahawks pick. I think it's gonna be fun.

855
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: Hopefully it's a great guy and a great player. But

856
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys for joining us as always. You

857
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us.

858
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 4: We sure to appreciate it. Have a beautiful, blessed day.

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Speaker 2: Enjoyed the draft, the volume