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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with her Radio. It is a very special episode of

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Speaker 1: the Almost Famous Podcast. I have one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: humans in the world, and I mean that. You don't

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Speaker 1: meet a lot of people in life through random circumstances,

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Speaker 1: especially a television show. You go, I like this guy,

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Speaker 1: but I don't like this guy like his dad, and

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Speaker 1: I really like his fiancee um. I think she's great.

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Speaker 1: Jason Tartik is here to guest co host with me today. Jason,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast that It is so good to

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Speaker 1: be here. You're one of my favorite humans too, so

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Speaker 1: thank you for saying those kind words. And I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to be on. Man, it's been too long, been too long,

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Speaker 1: it has been too long. I think the last time

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Speaker 1: I saw you in person was in Memphis, Tennessee at

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Speaker 1: the St. Jude charity event with your dad was there

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Speaker 1: as well, which was awesome. It was you, me and

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Speaker 1: Wells and your dad. I think that was all from

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor World. That was m miss and somebody. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I think you nailed. Then there's I mean there's a

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Speaker 1: couple of different like actors and musicians stuff, which was

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Speaker 1: a blast, but are you running it back? You're gonna

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Speaker 1: be back then, I'm out that weekend. I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be in Honduras that weekend. I wish I was. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be in unders. Here's the deal for

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Speaker 1: anybody listening. I've I've offered this up. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: Honduras on a trip. I'm leading it, and so i've

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Speaker 1: it's open invite, like anybody can come. You got a

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Speaker 1: humanity to hope you not a dot Organs sign up.

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Speaker 1: Here's the big problem, and I'll just be Uh. Flight

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Speaker 1: costs are so expensive that I'm like on edge on

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Speaker 1: if we can do it. Like, I just don't know

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Speaker 1: if I can ask people to go down there for

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Speaker 1: three thousand dollars. It's a lot of money. That is why.

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Speaker 1: That's a huge I mean, yeah, that that increase makes sense,

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Speaker 1: that's nuts. Yeah. So, um, but I'm supposed to be there.

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Speaker 1: If I'm not there, I might be able to get

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Speaker 1: back to St. You was awesome. It was good to

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Speaker 1: spend time with you, and UM, like I said, your

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Speaker 1: dad was awesome. Hey, uh, Jason obviously here to co

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Speaker 1: host with me today. Uh, but I want to talk

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Speaker 1: uh right off the bat about um, your book and

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Speaker 1: the projects going on. And I mean it with all

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Speaker 1: sincerity when I say, you know, you and I come

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Speaker 1: from similar backgrounds. You are a lot more accomplished in

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Speaker 1: when I left it to kind of start my second chapter. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but we have similar backgrounds. Um, you've used it to

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Speaker 1: coach and teach and share insight with others, and you've

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Speaker 1: also done it through a book. So let's just catch

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Speaker 1: everybody up on what you're up to and where people

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Speaker 1: can you know, keep diving into your your your knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. So ten years in corporate banking and

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Speaker 1: of the things that I learned when I had got

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Speaker 1: this platform is there's just a huge discrepancy and the

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Speaker 1: stuff that we need to know every day, Like, think

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Speaker 1: about the stuff we have to do right. We have

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Speaker 1: we have to deal with budgeting. All these things were

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Speaker 1: not in my MBA program, nowhere. And so what I

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Speaker 1: did was I created a company called Restart to really

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Speaker 1: all this other stuff started coming up. I created a

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Speaker 1: podcast Trading Secrets. We have all different people on from

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Speaker 1: signs the Trading Trading Secrets. And then I have the

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Speaker 1: first book out called The Restart Roadmap, Rewire and Reset

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Speaker 1: your Career. It's been a great start. We had four

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Speaker 1: best seller lists all about a roadmap to making sure

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be one of two things. I'm like doing

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Speaker 1: next book. I'm gonna vote for both. Um the I

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that I love about Trading

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Speaker 1: Trading Secrets, but I've recognized just because we have people

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Speaker 1: to the wedding, like am I how am I gonna

430
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: feel that next day or whatever. It's been really peaceful.

431
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Speaker 1: It's been very exciting for me. And it's why I

432
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 1: asked about engage life and I ask about your wedding.

433
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna get married when you want to get married

434
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: and when it works for you too, and all of that. Uh.

435
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the season of life that was engaged

436
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 1: because it didn't have as much of the societal pressures

437
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: as what I feel like now, like once we're married, kids,

438
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: um a dog house, like people start asking like what

439
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,359
Speaker 1: are the next steps and next steps and next steps

440
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: and next steps. I was really enjoying being in a

441
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: season of life where it just felt like we could

442
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: be a couple but know that we were committed to

443
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: each other. Um, you know, but obviously we did. We

444
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: waited for a year and a half to get married,

445
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: so we had some time there. Yeah. It's interesting because

446
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: I somewhat relate to that, especially like right after we

447
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: got engaged like that and we took off like work

448
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: and everything like that was such a high, like this

449
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 1: is unbelievable, like this is your forever. You've both committed

450
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: to it, and now you've got to like plan to

451
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: cement that. And I feel it's interesting because I feel

452
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: that the pressure of planning and the wedding stuff is

453
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: actually greater than the pressure of are you getting engaged

454
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: as far is like volume, like the volume of it

455
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: and everyone's and I think I think also too, it's

456
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: the the outpouring uh, really certain opinions about what it

457
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: should be. Oh, you gotta go do it here, you

458
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: don't chance on the flowers. You must have this, you

459
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: gotta have this, you gotta like all these saying I'm like,

460
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: oh my, it like creates like absolute just craziness. It does.

461
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: I we got engaged. I don't think I saw jess

462
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: for it felt like we like got engaged and separated

463
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: at the same time, because then she just started wedding

464
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 1: planning like her mom my mom and Jeff went a

465
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: bunker and they just wedding plan then for like a

466
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 1: year and a half, and then Jessica pops out on

467
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: the aisle and I'm like, hey, this worked out. Thank

468
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: you for doing all this. I had a lot of fun. Um,

469
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: thanks for the student drink. Uh. Jason, there's a headline

470
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: later on we'll get to when it comes to your wedding.

471
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm just warning you for that again. Jason's gonna stick

472
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 1: around here. We're in a co host a really special

473
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: episode for Best Day. It's gonna come out very soon.

474
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't have the exact day yet, but we're gonna

475
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: talk and pick Jason's brand on everything that I think

476
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: we all could benefit from, especially when it comes to

477
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: finances and when it comes to planning for our future. Um,

478
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: no matter of funeral, really ship if you're single, if

479
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: you're retiring or not. But Jason, it is the off

480
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: season here at the Almost Famous Podcast. It won't be

481
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: the off season for long. We do have a very

482
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: special Bachelorette season coming up that we'll be talking about

483
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: and breaking down. Um. But we have headlines to run through,

484
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: so let's jump right into him. Here's the here's the

485
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: first headline for you, Jason. If you don't know how

486
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: this works, we're just gonna comment based on our first reaction.

487
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: But this is when we can celebrate. It's an easy

488
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: one to get us warmed up. Here. The Bachelor's Hayley

489
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: Ferguson and Ula Paul Vey Paul Hockey, Yeah hockey star

490
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: are married after Las Vegas wedding. This according to US Weekly.

491
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: The Ferguson and her sister were on the season of

492
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: The Bachelor that I was a part of. Uh. It

493
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: was a beautiful wedding in uh Las Vegas. They have

494
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: been dating for a while. Here's an important side note.

495
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: They got married at the World, the Resorts World, Las Vegas.

496
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: Have you been there, Jason, I have been there. It's

497
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: it's stunning. What the big like inside scoop behind that

498
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: I've heard, Like the little trading secret is that Steve

499
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: Apparently Steve win It's a rumor, so don't quote me,

500
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: don't make it for sure, but Steve win Ow this

501
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: guy big time money, the guy who started Resort World

502
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: and it and it got the deck got cleared. He

503
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: never got paid. And I heard it was a vendetta,

504
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: but it was also a dream of his and they

505
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: created Resort World, and there was there was issues that

506
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: Resort World looks so identical to win that Resort World

507
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: at last minute had to like change some of their

508
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: colors because there was actually a potential for a lawsuit. Now, Jason,

509
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: who do you have to be in the world? Like,

510
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: I go golfing a lot. I gamble on the golf course.

511
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: It's like, sometimes it's twenty bucks, sometimes it's ten bucks. Sometimes,

512
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, I come out on top, not very often.

513
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: Who do you have to be in the world to say, Hey,

514
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: you owe me money, I'm gonna buy I'm gonna build

515
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: a resort just to say, you have to be a

516
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: big time foreign billionaire, which is I believe that's impestive. Man,

517
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: that's a story to tell. Obviously, Bachelor weddings are something

518
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: to celebrate. So I believe if I have on my

519
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: facts straight, um, that Emily was the maid of honor.

520
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: That makes sense, right, Emily is also in a relationship.

521
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: I believe they are engaged to get married. I could

522
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: have that wrong producers behind the scenes, if you don't

523
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: mind fact checking that for me. Um, But bachelordings are

524
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: a big deal. It's cool to see them both move on,

525
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: um and to something really special. I mean they're they're

526
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: marrying hockey players. That's that's a big deal. Yeah, I

527
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: mean they've clearly done well. I mean they seem happy,

528
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: Like I've seen their Instagram, like their post when they

529
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: get Gabe. They both seem extremely happy. And I think

530
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: here's um what her sister? What is her? Haley's sister

531
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: named Emily. Okay, Emily both on your says she ended

532
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: up with and I know this guy like the back

533
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: of my hand, Carl's I'm a big hockey fan her

534
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: and Carl. That guy is like a Stanley. I mean

535
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: he is a stud. He's one of the best, one

536
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: of the best best players in that NHL. I think

537
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: he has like a fifty million dollar contract, like eight

538
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: year contract with the Vegas Nights. I mean, the guy

539
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: is a stud. Um, so good for um. That's correct.

540
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: A little A little interesting thing is when they're on

541
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: my season, the big joke and I think they overplayed it.

542
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: I think obviously the show made it like they would

543
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: never leave each other, right, they wanted to always be

544
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: around each other. Um, they never wanted to separate. They

545
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: always wanted to live in Vegas. They had a bunch

546
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: of like I think they had like eight uh dogs.

547
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: When I went to visit their house there, like it

548
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: was kind of the whole like spoof that that these

549
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: twins were so connected, and I think they are. Isn't

550
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: it interesting to think that they're marrying people uh from

551
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: different countries. Uh, they'll definitely probably not be living in

552
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: the same city because there's no way these two guys

553
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: are playing on for the same team long term. So

554
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: they really took a step out, which is also cool

555
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: to see kind of like that path now to them,

556
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, blossoming into um two humans that can still

557
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: love each other and function in different areas. Yeah, I mean,

558
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: I will say there's some there are some similarities there

559
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: because the just a hockey player mentality. Their hockey players

560
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: are just cut from a different they are It doesn't

561
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: matter what country you're from, where you're from, when you

562
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: are born and raised and live in that locker room,

563
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: it's just like it's a different type of energy. And

564
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think maybe you know, they just

565
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: that's that's their thing. Ben. You know what, maybe I

566
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: know it didn't work out with you guys, but maybe

567
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: after they had everything Ben Higgins have to offer, they're like,

568
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: you know what I need? Yeah, I need somebody studlier,

569
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: more athletic, wealthy, tooler. I need a hockey guy, Um,

570
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: would you throw it down the mits? Ben? Would you

571
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: if you're in it like someone's talking and your team

572
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: needs it, are you gonna throw down the mids? On

573
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: surgeries underneath my belt? Jason? So I'm ready to fight

574
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:44,479
Speaker 1: um whenever the call is happening. Hey, Jason, there's been

575
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: a lot of talk here recently. We've discussed a little

576
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: bit on the podcast. I would love to just hear

577
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: your personal insight into your story here. UM. A lot

578
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: of past contestants, it feels like, as of recent speaking

579
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: out against the show, UH typically didn't up in right.

580
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: Now we have access to our social media's Uh, we

581
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: have access now to more media in general. But Matt

582
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: James is a lead here UM who recently has come

583
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: out with a book, and he is also criticizing the

584
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: show for how they dealt with his relationship with Rachel.

585
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: His quote is, according to EU, Matt James blames the

586
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Bachelor for turning his relationship into a circus. Now we

587
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: always we all remember, Um, this became a really big

588
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: issue and topic back in the day with him and Rachel,

589
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: and then they went on the tell all and it

590
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: didn't look like he and Rachel we're gonna get together

591
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: at all. He came on the podcast a few weeks

592
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: ago and said they actually left that live show holding hands,

593
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: that they were like they were good right after it. Um, Jason,

594
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: why do you think people today are feeling more of

595
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: an ankst and an upset nous towards the show than before?

596
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's ben because they have the

597
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: platform to do it now, and they have people that

598
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: will list sin even when they are very removed from

599
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: the show. Like you know, back in the day, it's

600
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: just just still like when we were on the show,

601
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: Like you get all your interviews when you get off

602
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: the show, and after no one like really cared as much.

603
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: But with social media, the drama continues and the ease

604
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: of getting your opinion out there escalates at such a

605
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: different level. I mean, I think because of it, Like

606
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm surprised the show hasn't done this. You see the

607
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: different drama out there right, Like there's a new thing

608
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: every week, Like a couple of weeks ago, is Blake

609
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: and Natasha going at it based on edits and you

610
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: know then you obviously Matt just had his book come out,

611
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: and there's you know, there's always something. Uh. The other

612
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: day it was you know, I've I've made a comment

613
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: and it's got headlines got picked up after Colton Colton

614
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: I talked, there's I'm taking a business approach here. There

615
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: is so much value and the alumni of this franchise,

616
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: and almost nothing is done with it, which is fascinating

617
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: to me because if you took these conversations and you

618
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: took this drama in like a house where there's like

619
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: like a big brother and you had like a Natasha

620
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: in a blake have to go at a toe to

621
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: toe with this stuff or some of these controversies or

622
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: with the acts like the stuff, it would be unbelievable entertainment.

623
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: So I'm surprised there is especially now there's not anything

624
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: taking uh taking some type of value from the franchise.

625
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: But I think it's just because people now have a

626
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: means of talking about it, and let's also talk. Let's

627
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: also bring this up. When anyone from the franchise talks

628
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: about the franchise, especially things behind the scenes, all your

629
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: levels of engagement go up significantly. And most people in

630
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: this world they're monitoring that. So not only do they

631
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: have a form to talk about it, but they also

632
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: have engagement levels and reinforcement that the attention for those

633
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: conversations behooves them and their personal whatever it is they

634
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: may are trying to brand or bring to fruition. Yeah.

635
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting when when I was writing

636
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: alone in Plain Sight, when we were having our initial meetings,

637
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: the conversation came up, as do you want to do

638
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 1: a tell All tell as do really good? They do

639
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: really like, they sell a lot. People are very interested

640
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: in them, and I decided not to one. I don't

641
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: have a lot to tell. I would I feel like

642
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I could tell everything from my experience. My I think

643
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: my experience on the show was unique in the fact

644
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: that it was pretty easy overall. There was some like

645
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: moments that got ugly at the end because the end

646
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: is always hard. Um, you probably have a lot to tell.

647
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: You're just too good of a guy to tell you. Well, yeah,

648
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: I think it would have been nice. Um, But I

649
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: get what you're saying is there is there is this

650
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: level where, like, you know, if I jump on the

651
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: night and say, hey, I'm gonna tell everything that I

652
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: know from the show, uh, and I'm gonna dig out everything,

653
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: I think people will be a lot more interested in

654
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: hearing about that then me jumping on and talking about

655
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: my dog or talking about my wife or talking about

656
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: um generous. Uh, it is there. There is a value

657
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: to that that I think began. It is interesting the

658
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: show hasn't taken advantage of it. The show kind of

659
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: just it. They don't even comment on this stuff anymore.

660
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: If you, I don't know too much about like the

661
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: um all all the different moving parts of everything with

662
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: like I know a little bit about Generous, and I

663
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: know the book you that you wrote. But going back

664
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: to original point, if Ben Higgins wrote a tell all book,

665
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: it would be the number one book on and like

666
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: you got into the weeds with it, it would be

667
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: the number one selling book anywhere. When Ben Higgins decides

668
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: to write a book that's going to create impact based

669
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: on some of the mental struggles you had and more

670
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: of your life direction, it's it's just not going to sell.

671
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: It's as marketable. If I'm writing a book about rewiring

672
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: your career, that will never ever sell if it was

673
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: more of a bachelor focus book a book. And that's

674
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: like where people in these world's post show I have

675
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: to make decisions, like which way you're gonna go why

676
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: are you gonna go that way and understand like the good,

677
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: the bad and everything that comes with And you know,

678
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: I wonder too, is there a way to navigate this

679
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: is just this might even be a rhetorical question, but

680
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: is there even a way to navigate? I think the

681
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: show has made a lot of mistakes, obviously, I think

682
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: the show has a lot of improvement to do. But

683
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: is there a way to do this and not have

684
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: people like contestants and leads um hurt from the experience

685
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: when you're on a dating show that really thrives on drama,

686
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: like when drama is the number one marketing point to

687
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: where they say this will be the most dramatic season

688
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: of all time every time. Is there a way to

689
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: do that without it having controversy and feelings hurt? I

690
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: mean the short answer of like you want to real answer,

691
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: the answer is no. Like at the end of the day,

692
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a television on national network uh

693
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: TV because it's entertaining and there's great stories and bad stories.

694
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: And if you go take like even a one o

695
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: one class I'm writing or telling a story, there has

696
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: to be the villain, there has to be the loved character.

697
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: There has to be the downfall every movie you watch,

698
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: it's entertained that. So I think when you step into

699
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: this there's only so much. You just kind of have

700
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: to know what comes with the territory and what you

701
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I do think people from the show alumni

702
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: like yourself are doing a great job at trying to

703
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: educate Bend. The amount of phone calls you've taken, why

704
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: don't you take like a list of probably a hundred

705
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: plus people who have called you and say, how do

706
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: you navigate these waters? Right? And I think the alumni

707
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: is really really good at being open doors to Hey,

708
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: if you feel stuck after this show because you're just

709
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: mentally confused or just lost, like to say, hey, I've

710
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: been there. This is the little advice I can give you,

711
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: that's for sure. In the impostor issue, where of course

712
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel like an impostor. You got famous for

713
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: going on a dating show without any like really tangible

714
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: skill sets to be there other than the fact that

715
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: like somebody somewhere said, hey, you are a desirable person

716
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: to somebody out there. We don't know who it is yet,

717
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: and then you get thrown into this world, you know,

718
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: Matt ma as a unique and to kind of close

719
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: this thought mas a unique situation where I do feel

720
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: like he might have one of the most impressive bachelor

721
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: relationships um that we that I can remember, based on

722
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: the issues surrounding it, Like it would have been very

723
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: easy for him and Rachel to say, no, this isn't

724
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: worth it like this, this isn't gonna work long term.

725
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: There's too much hate, there's too much confusion, there's too

726
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: much chaos. Let's just go our separate ways. You do

727
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: you all do me when move on. I'm very impressive

728
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: they said no, we're gonna make this thing work. I

729
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: think it. I mean, I'm gonna assume here. I think

730
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: it speaks to probably how much they care about each

731
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: other and that their their relationship is probably really strong

732
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: behind the scenes too. Yeah, I mean, if I had

733
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: a question, if Matt was sitting right here, I've got

734
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: to meet Matt. I've got to meet Rachel. Did I've

735
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: done some stuff with them too, Like we did a

736
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: couple of live things. They're awesome, Like their energy is

737
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: so pure, it is so real. Matt is a super

738
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: super intelligent guy, which I really like. And I think

739
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: one of the things it's just like his his energy

740
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: and his conversations. He'll like joke around, be like, yeah,

741
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a geek with this, and he'll like

742
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: get into the specifics about it. But I think one

743
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: of the things is I would ask Matt. I would say,

744
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: do you think that the same chaos that frustrates you

745
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: that really became the center and pinnacle an epicenter of

746
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: your relationship, is that same chaos what actually brought you

747
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: two together? Like, is there any bit of testament to

748
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: say if this didn't happen the way it did, if

749
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: people didn't criticize us the way it did, that maybe

750
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have worked, Like the strength of it wouldn't

751
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: be there. And you to your point, you see them

752
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: like I've seen him in person, I see him on Instagram.

753
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: Their foundation is rock solid. They're always with each other,

754
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: They're traveling with Rachel's family, They're traveling with Matt's family.

755
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: There they seem so well rounded and balanced and happy,

756
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: just like always happy. So I think maybe that chaos

757
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: is uh is a really dark moment for them to

758
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: look back on, but also the strengthen their foundation. If

759
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: you can get through that, uh, it's a testament to

760
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: what else you can get through in the crazy world.

761
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: That's I mean, national controversy. You make it through that.

762
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how many things in life. Uh, we'll

763
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: get harder or more confusing than that. And they made

764
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: it and they're, like you said, they're doing great. So

765
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: it's good for them and him and Ben him too.

766
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you guys have talked about

767
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: this before, but I think some people forget that he

768
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: had never been on a show before. I can't. You

769
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: could you imagine going through what you went through after

770
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: the Bachelor not ever having any exposure to Yeah, no,

771
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't, because there was the first couple of weeks

772
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: where you try to get used to this whole thing,

773
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: and then when you finally become the Bachelor and you

774
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: step into like that role and you have people come up,

775
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: at least you know what to expect, like at least

776
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: you know where where the contestants are at emotionally or

777
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: if they're nervous. Um, No, I can't. I think there

778
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: I almost feel like The Bachelor was like, for lack

779
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: of a better term, like good practice to become the bachelor,

780
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: good prep um to become the Bachelor without it. I

781
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: think that you would have just been lost, um and

782
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: just lacking confidence. Yeah, because you see the buddies like

783
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: that you went through this experience with. You see some

784
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: of them like, oh man, that did not look good

785
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: and they're dealing with that and then they're calling you

786
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: and you see the ups and downs and you know

787
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: how this can come off. So then obviously it could

788
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: prep you when you're gonna be the bachelor to know

789
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be highs and lows and who knows

790
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: which angle is can turn. For him to just get

791
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: thrown in, that's a that's a lot to take out

792
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: without any experience. So he came out with came out

793
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: in a relationship. Hey, isn't that what we want? It's

794
00:39:48,440 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: a big deal. There we go. Speaking of relationships, Bachelor

795
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: in Paradise is Becka Koufern and Thomas Jacobs have announced

796
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: that they'll both change their last names after the wedding.

797
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: Here's how this is gonna work. Jason, Uh, Thomas is

798
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: gonna change his name uh to Oh, they don't know yet.

799
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: I guess it's either gonna be Koufron Jacobs or Jacobs.

800
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Kouferin is going to be how they hyphenate this. Um,

801
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: they think it's really important. Have you talked are you

802
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: going to hyphenate your name? Jessic and I talked about it. Um.

803
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: She actually went with she dropped her middle name and

804
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: is Jessica Clark Higgins. Um. Now, I mean that's more

805
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: traditional than I think even this. But I know it's

806
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: a topic now where people are discussing it. Have you

807
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: guys talked about it? What do you think? We've talked

808
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: about it briefly. So what we've what Caitlin has said

809
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: is literally this. I think the exact same thing is

810
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: what Jessica is doing. So I think she was going

811
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: to drop her middle name and make Bristol her middle name,

812
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: and then her last name would be tart Ik. But um,

813
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, though those conversations can change. But the last

814
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: time we talked about it, that's what that's what she

815
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: said she would do. In my stance on it is

816
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: like whatever, like do do whatever you wanted to, you know,

817
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: like I whatever makes you happy, Uh, do what you

818
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: gotta do. You know, I have friends who didn't even

819
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: change your name. And I get it right. I mean

820
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: Jessica wanted to change her name. She she asked you

821
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: know that's that was important to her. UM. But it

822
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: is interesting that both of them will change their name.

823
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: UM something cool. You know, they're they're doing a bunch

824
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: of things different, you know, uh than what is normally expected.

825
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: Becca proposed to Thomas Beca co hosted The Bachelor on

826
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: stage with me, and so I've gotten to be a

827
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: part of her kind of relationship journey, UM over the

828
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: last few years. It's really cool to see. I really

829
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: liked Thomas. UM talk about a guy that will that

830
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: really made the one eight turn from his time on

831
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: The Bachelorette to Paradise. He really showed up and he's

832
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: a good dude. I like him a lot, and so

833
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: we're super happy for him. Them here, that's a big news.

834
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna hyphenate their names. They just don't know what

835
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: order you get. Yeah, it's up to them. Uh. Also, uh,

836
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: big news here to celebrate Astrid and Kevin went if

837
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: you remember them, Uh they met on Paradise and uh

838
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: they're engaged. They had their first kid August. Uh. August

839
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: is now seven months old. Astrid's coming out and talking

840
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: about how their relationship has changed UM post child, which

841
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: I always find interesting because obviously you're married, God willing

842
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: one day just kinda will have kids of our own.

843
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: Trying to figure out how that will look. She says

844
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: Jason that Kevin has picked up the dogcare, the cooking, groceries,

845
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: all the little stuff so that Asterid can focus being

846
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: focus being on being the best mom possible for August. Uh.

847
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: She says she can't imagine doing this the parenting deal

848
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: with anybody else other than Kevin. That has been really great. Uh.

849
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: Jason e thoughts on this, like, no, I swear to God,

850
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: no joke at that. Like when you said that that

851
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: gave me my legs. I got some loose bumps there.

852
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: I think that's all. I mean, that's it's like the

853
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: beautiful story. When you first read that headline, I didn't

854
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: know which way it was gonna go. I was like, oh,

855
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: like the things get that after the kid. And to

856
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: see that, like Kevin is just doing anything, um to

857
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: be like the best father. It doesn't surprise me. For

858
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: anyone that's met Kevin, he's a hell of a guy.

859
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: And um, yeah, I mean that's that's awesome. That's that's

860
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: what I would expect from Kevin, And that doesn't surprise me.

861
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: In the least that doesn't surprise me. There. I've got

862
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: to do a couple of things with Kevin and spent

863
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: some good time with him at Winter Games actually way

864
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: back in the day. He's just a good dude, and

865
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: it's it's awesome to see them happy. It is so

866
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: awesome to see him mappy. But one takeaway, they're like, no,

867
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: you cannot, you cannot compare having dogs and kids. Let

868
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: me get it out there. But I will say having

869
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: the dog like it does create some kind of foundation

870
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: for like, Okay, who's gonna wake up and take the

871
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: dog out? When do you feed the dog? Who buys them?

872
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Who takes into the vet? Like it? It creates some

873
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: system of accountability that's different than just making yourself. I

874
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: think people that are honest. Jason and I'll fall on

875
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: the sword for this one. We had a really you know,

876
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: we got Whalen, our puppy who's sleeping right next to

877
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: me right now. He has bad gas today, by the way,

878
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: so but he's napping very nicely. Um. You know, when

879
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: we first got him, he was a tough puppy. He

880
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: was a kind of nibble. He would nibble on everything,

881
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: he would chew everything. Um, he wouldn't want to sleep,

882
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: and it it caused some nights where Jessica and I

883
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: were both like upset with each other with getting a puppy, uh,

884
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: with trying to figure out our rhythms in life. And

885
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: so we started to like talk about it with people,

886
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: and some people who had kids said, hey, getting a

887
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: puppy is maybe more difficult than having an infant in

888
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. And I don't know that to

889
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: be true yet, I just know that, Like, there was

890
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: some sleepless nights. Now, I think a child obviously is uh,

891
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Liz a lot longer and uh shows you the terrible

892
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: two's um. But I think you're right. I think we

893
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: learned a lot about ourselves and about our relationship from

894
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: getting this puppy. Yeah, I mean it's true. And the

895
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: one thing is that my dad said this to me

896
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: and I kind of blew. I brushed it off when

897
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: he told me. When I was thinking about in our

898
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: second you said, just remember with dogs, the difference, the

899
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: big difference is those are babies that never grow along,

900
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: like they can never take themselves out again, they can

901
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: never do X, Y and Z like forever. So just

902
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: know that. And it is a lot, but It gets

903
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: you on the same page like everything, even like the

904
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: finances of it, the splitting the duties, like who's gonna

905
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: even like training when you're trying to train one way

906
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: in and Caitlyn's training another way. Like getting on the

907
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: same page with how you're communicating. It's definitely I would

908
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: hope helpful. Maybe Kevin and Nashtra can give us more

909
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 1: on that. I think somebody who has PAS could probably

910
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: speak into them. Yeah, maybe they should speak kind of

911
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: not Hey, the teaser came out recently. Uh, Jason July

912
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: leven is the premier of the New Bachelor season. Rachel

913
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: and Gabby are ready to find true love and fun

914
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: New Bachelor atte teaser. Uh. You can watch the teaser online.

915
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: You can just google it. It's it's all over the place.

916
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: It looks really fun. Here's something that we found out

917
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: last week, Jason. Um, you know, these two are getting

918
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: along really well. They're still friends, at least that's what

919
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: they're telling us, and I believe it. They're acting like

920
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: they're doing everything they got. They're having a lot of

921
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: fun with this one. I'm jealous because I would have

922
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: loved to have like a somebody that I really liked

923
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: doing this with me. I think it would have added

924
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: to the experience. Um, but your fiance Caitlin shared her

925
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: Bachelor at season at least night one with somebody, and

926
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: then that bachelor went home and Caitlin stayed. I know

927
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: Caitlin spoke out on kind of how she feels about

928
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: the two bachelorrette thing. I don't need to ask you that, Um,

929
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: but do you are you excited for this season now

930
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: knowing that these two are still getting along post filming,

931
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: or are you hesitant to watch it? Kind of what's

932
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: feelings about this upcoming season again, premiering on July eleven. Okay,

933
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: so here here's what I'm excited for. What I'm excited

934
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: for is I think sometimes especially early episodes, when you're

935
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: feeling maybe it's a little it's getting a little like

936
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: boring or like I don't know if I've like totally

937
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: caught the hook of the batch sort of stay connected.

938
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: I think having the two different personalities and people and

939
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: reactions and everything like that will keep it like spicy

940
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: and entertaining. I think, Okay, we talked a little bit

941
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: about this, but we're talking about like the little benchmarking

942
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome some of the mental effects that come with

943
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: the show after. I can't see a world in which,

944
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: whether they say it or not, that these two aren't

945
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: beginning to possibly, especially when the show airs like competing

946
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: a little bit, like so maybe the filming went great,

947
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: maybe everything's perfect, but you get like once. Suppose America

948
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: has a favorite. Suppose they edit a favorite. Suppose one

949
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: person gets a million followers the next first and it's

950
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand. Suppose one has a better couple in

951
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: a like couple, like I have a feeling and I

952
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: will be interesting, especially when you have the chance to

953
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: interview him to see like, are you at all doing

954
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: any of this benchmarking? Are you a little envious? Are you?

955
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Are you happy with where you stand? Because I would

956
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: find it really hard, really hard at the lead level.

957
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you do that when you're cast up thirty,

958
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: So when you're at the lead level, it's got to happen.

959
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: What you're being someone who was the lead. What's like

960
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: you're taking thought on that if you had someone with

961
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: you the whole time, with you going though the whole experience,

962
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: you would have to do a little of that. I

963
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: think I've never thought about it that way. Um, I

964
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: was thinking about it kind of how they're gonna film it,

965
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: but then the post part. I mean, as you speak,

966
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if anybody even out there listening

967
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: couldn't see how there would be some envy and jealousy,

968
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: Like I would just be shocked if somebody's not like, yeah,

969
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I I struggle, um deeply, like had

970
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: like had to really work work personally on working through

971
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: envy and jealousy in my own life. Um, And so yes,

972
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: my answer to that would be, as the lead, you

973
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: kind of get asked to do this thing which feels

974
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: like a massive moment um, probably the biggest opportunity you've

975
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: ever been asked to do, and then you're sharing with somebody.

976
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: I I honestly could see where the filming of it

977
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: would be pretty fun. You're sharing it with somebody, You're

978
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: in this enclosed environment. You're probably both having you know,

979
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: some of the guys are interested in one of the girls,

980
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: some of the guys are interested in the other girl.

981
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: However that's gonna work. They're both feeling loved on, they're

982
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: both feeling desired, they're both feeling like intentionally pursued all

983
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: those things are going well, it would be the post show,

984
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: which was when it was hardest for me. Even following,

985
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, the next season, and some would say, I

986
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: have you know, leads lead syndrome or whatever. That's that's cool.

987
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: I probably do. Um, you know where you're You're You're

988
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: the Bachelor one year, and then a couple months later

989
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: they announced a new guy and nobody cares about you anymore.

990
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: Everybody moves on and you're like, wait, I'm still here,

991
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: I still want my moment. Why don't I have my moment?

992
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: And so yes, I could see where post show this

993
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: could get difficult, um, because they will probably get asked.

994
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: They won't get asked to do every opportunity together. One

995
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: will probably get asked to be a host of something,

996
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: or they'll get some really good Instagram or you know,

997
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: TikTok deal, and the other won't. When those things are happening,

998
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: I could see stuff starting to slip in. I mean,

999
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: I think we all are human, we all could see

1000
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: that totally. I mean that's like, like, I know you

1001
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: and Nick are totally different, right, different humans, different people,

1002
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: different interests, um, but like both from the same season.

1003
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: Then you both go on to be the next Bachelor's

1004
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: that it's just like it could. I could see where

1005
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: that would create so much who did it better? Like,

1006
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be interesting to see during the season, like

1007
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: if one of them falls in love first and the

1008
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: other one is like have it struggling with it, like

1009
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: how that goes together. So I think it's gonna create

1010
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: a cool dynamic one that day we haven't like totally

1011
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: seen yet, and one that should be fun to I'm

1012
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: just I'm just happy. Okay. So the first check was, uh,

1013
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: is the show going to add unneeded drama to those

1014
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: two's relationship? And it sounds like it didn't, at least

1015
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: through filming. Um, according to where they're at personally, I'm

1016
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: happy about that. I really was gonna be upset if

1017
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: them both being announced as the bachelorette UM was gonna

1018
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: end in us having to choose one or be more

1019
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: in favor of one, or more pain being added to

1020
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: one unnecessarily, like you know, um, And so I'm happy

1021
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: that we got that one checked off. And now we

1022
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: go on to see how this plays out filming and

1023
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: post filming. Well, uh, final headline is the Bachelor alum

1024
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Trumbull celebrates her bachelorette party in Loss Vegas. Now,

1025
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: if you remember, Jacqueline was on The Bachelor season twenty two, Um,

1026
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: she's thirty years old and she is getting married, and

1027
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 1: so she celebrated in Vegas with a few Bachelor Nation

1028
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: alums Kindle Long and Michel Cooper. We're both there. They

1029
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: attended a drag show at the Garden, Las Vegas, hit

1030
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: up in her aim at Venue Area fifteen, enjoyed a

1031
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: delicious dinner at Super Freako, which I heard is absolutely amazing.

1032
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: So congratulations to Jacqueline on celebrating a great weekend and

1033
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: we wish her the best as she gets married. Well, hey, everybody, Uh,

1034
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: as I mentioned before, we have a really special episode

1035
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: for Best Day coming out here soon, so make sure

1036
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: you continue to upload the almost famous podcast and listen in. Um,

1037
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna do that with Jason. It's going to dive

1038
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: into a lot of the stuff we were talking about

1039
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: at the beginning and even more detail. I'm gonna pick

1040
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: his brain. I'm gonna learn a lot from myself. I'm

1041
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: gonna take a bunch of notes personally, because it's not

1042
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: so often that you get somebody as wise as Jason

1043
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: Cornered and I get to interview him. That's a special deal. Hey,

1044
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: that's all we got for you today on the Almost

1045
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Thanks for joining us, Jason, Thank you for

1046
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: joining us. It means a lot. Thank you so much

1047
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: for having me on. So we into every episode in

1048
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: the same way. Just follow my lead with that. We'll

1049
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: be back next week breaking down another week of Bachelor news,

1050
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,919
Speaker 1: and then we're getting closer and closer, just a few

1051
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: weeks away from the Bachelorette season airing. Yes, it will

1052
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: have two Bachelorettes. But until then, I've been been, I've

1053
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: been Jason. We'll talk to you later. Everybody. Follow the

1054
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on I Heart

1055
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.