1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: generation warfare. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and form a Navy 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: intelligence veteran. 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 3: This is Human Events with your host Jack Pasovic. 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 4: Christ Is King Christmas nineteen seventy nine. So we had 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: armour pours across the Afghan border towards Kabul, as helicopters 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 4: secure the mountain passes through the Hindu Kush Mountains. In Moscow, 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 4: the Politbureau has decided to save Afghanistan's communist government from collapse. 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 3: We have a breaking news story to tell you about. 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 5: Apparently a plane has just crashed into the World Trade 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 5: Center here in New York City. 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: It happened just a few moments ago. 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 6: Upon you have declared a jia against the United States, 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 6: Can you tell. 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 7: Us why the US government has committed acts that are 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 7: extremely unjust, hideous and criminal through its support of the 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 7: Israeli occupation of Palestine. And we believe the US is 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 7: directly responsible for those killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 8: He is representative of networks of people who are who 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 8: absolutely have made their cause to defeat the freedoms that 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 8: we take. That we understand and we will not allow 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 8: him to do so. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 9: On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 9: against al Qaeda, terrorist training camps and military installations of 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 9: the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. These carefully targeted actions are 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 9: designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 9: base of operations and to attack the military capability of 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 9: the Taliban regime. 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 10: It is a milestone a mere number cannot explain. According 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 10: to an independent Associated Press count, one thousand American troops 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 10: have now been killed in Afghanistan. 33 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 11: Night I can report to the American people and to 34 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 11: the world, the United States has conducted an operation that 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 11: killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaida. 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 12: President Biden announced the end to the US war in 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 12: Afghanistan from the same spot in the White House Treaty 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 12: Room as President George W. Bush announced its beginning twenty 39 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 12: years ago. 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 3: It's time to end America's longest war. 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 13: Chaos. 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 14: Following the horrific attack outside the Kable Airport, this is 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 14: now the deadliest attack on US forces in Afghanistan in 44 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 14: more than a decade. 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 8: The Taliban held a parade at Barbara mair Base, showing 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 8: off the weapons and military equipment Joe and Kamala left behind. 47 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 11: The US Almen vickls just outside of Kanda Hall Wednesday, 48 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 11: and right on top of that that is the black 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 11: and white flag of the Taliban. Now it's not clear 50 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 11: how much US hardware is now in the hands of 51 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 11: the Taliban. 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome a board to today's special edition 53 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: of Human Events Daily. We've got a special Christmas series 54 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: for you yet again this year, introducing Tales of Regime Change. 55 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: Tales of Regime Change is a journey through the modern 56 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: American habit of wandering into far off lands with big plans, 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: big budgets, and even bigger blind spots. Now, if you've 58 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: followed US foreign policy for more than five minutes, you 59 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: probably notice a pattern. It always starts with a briefing, 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, crisp suits in the intelligence community, whispering about 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: windows of opportunity, humanitarian obligations, or the chance to shape 62 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: the region. The language is polished, the powerpoints are convincing, 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: and the mission we're told is noble, spreading stability, democracy, 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: liberal order, all the things that make Washington policy makers 65 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: feel like they're the protagonists of history. But behind the curtain, 66 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: there's another engine running the quiet belief that American involvement 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: can always bend the arc of the world towards some 68 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: vision of globalist liberal pageenity. Not domination, No, no, no, 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: they'd never call it. They call it maintaining influence, varing partners, 70 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: managing outcomes, a soft empire wrapped in the language of progress, 71 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: And every single time the same thing happens. The law 72 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: of unintended consequences strolls in like it owns the place. 73 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: Because when you try to rearrange nations from seven thousand 74 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: miles away, when you treat societies, tribes, history, faith, traditions 75 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: like pieces on a whiteboard, you end up creating forces 76 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 1: you never anticipated and problems that you can't bomb, bribe, 77 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: or brief your way out of, which brings us to 78 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: Episode one. Afghanistan, the graveyard of empires for generations. Afghanistan 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: has devoured the ambitions of great powers the way the 80 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: desert sands swallow footprints. The British marched in with confidence 81 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: of empire. The Soviets rolled in with tanks and ideology, 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: and the Americans, well, we arrived with a cocktail of 83 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: counter terrorism, nation building, and the belief that we could 84 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: turn the Hindu kush into a Jeffersonian democracy project by 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: sheer Will and a few trillion dollars. The intelligence briefing 86 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: said the Taliban would crumble. The analyst predicted we could 87 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: reshape a tribal warrior society into a centralized government. The 88 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: architects of liberal order imagined Cobble as the next success 89 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: story in the Grand's narrative of progress, But Afghanistan had 90 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: its own narrative goes back to Alexander the Great, Ancient, rugged, unyielding, 91 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: and in the end we learned once again what so 92 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: many who came before us learned the hard way. You 93 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: can enter Afghanistan on your own terms, but you do 94 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: not leave on them. And that's what we're going to do, folks. 95 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: We're going to look at this. So we're going to 96 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: take the next couple of days in this series tales 97 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: of regime change over this Christmas time, and what we're 98 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: going to do is peel back the curtain. We'll sift 99 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: through the documents, the declassified cables, the speeches, the promises, 100 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: and the fallout. Because if there's one thing we've seen 101 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: again and again, it's that America doesn't just fight wars. 102 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: It tells itself stories about why those wars must be fought, 103 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: and those stories more often than not shape our mistakes 104 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: as much as they justify him. And Folks, while you 105 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: listen to this episode, I want you to remember that 106 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about something that I've read about 107 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 1: in books, or seen in movies or watched on TV. 108 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: I spent a year at Guantanamo Bay in the interrogation cell. 109 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: I've met these people. I've seen them up close and personal. 110 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: Members of the Taliban, members of al Qaeda. This is 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: an ideology that I am intimately familiar with, and I 112 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: understand this problem set as well as anywhere I can 113 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: understand something. Why because I was a gift on myself. 114 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: Good Remote Afghanistan. To drive north through the Sullmn Mountains 115 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 5: is to journey backwards in time to an isolated nation 116 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 5: which has consistently ignored the approach of a twentieth century world. 117 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: All right, folks are back Human Events, Special Tales of 118 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: regime change, Graveyard of Empires, Afghanistan. I'm very excited. So 119 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: joining me in this quest as he did last year 120 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: and the year prior, is Joshua Lyisak, the co author 121 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: of Unhumans Secure hourcity of communist revolutions and how to 122 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: crush them. Joshua, how are you, my friend? 123 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: I am well going to be a Tibozo. Thank you. 124 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, right Christmas to you as well. So, you know, 125 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: it's amazing we're starting here with Afghanistan and to tell 126 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: the story of the regime changes in Afghanistan, you know, 127 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: you really have to kind of start at a certain point. 128 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: You know, which regime change do you want to go with? 129 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: Do we talk about the British invasion in the nineteen twenties, 130 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: Do we go back all the way to Alexander the 131 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: Great and the Macedonian Empire and the Hellenic world, the 132 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: Empire of Alexander from which derives the city of So 133 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: Alexander's name in the local in Pashtune would be it's 134 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: something along the lines of Alexandar, which is where we 135 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: derived the name of the city. Kandahar is actually based 136 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: on Alexander the Great and it's one of the largest 137 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: cities in Afghanistan to this day. So the country of 138 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: Afghanistan is doubly marked by regime changes that go back 139 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: thousands upon thousands of years, all the way back to 140 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: hundreds of years before Christ when Alexander was there. But 141 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: I think from modern times where I'd like to start 142 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. So and that kind of gets 143 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: us to the present situation. But I want people to 144 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: very clearly understand that Afghanistan goes way way back, and 145 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: people have been trying to tame the Hindu kush if 146 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: you will, for thousands of years, and all of them 147 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: have been have ridden to ruin. And the United States, 148 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: of course, is no different. And so what do you 149 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: have in the nineteen seventies, Well, first you have a king, 150 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: the king is deposed. He is deposed by a strong 151 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: nationalist leader, military leader, who then begins nationalizing industry, who 152 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: begins kicking foreigners out of the country. But then, oh, yes, 153 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: then something happens that's so similar to all of us that, 154 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: in fact it even features on Humans from last year, 155 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: because some of these Marxist revolutions, which took place within 156 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: the context of the Cold War were actually we're actually 157 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: regime changes. So, Joshua, what did we write about the 158 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: Marxist revolution of Afghanistan, which no one talks about, by 159 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: the way, all the way back when we wrote on 160 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: humans last year. 161 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct what the Soviet Union attempted to do 162 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: in the local communists, the Marxist Leninists of Afghanistan bears 163 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: an eeries. There's and months to pretty much everything that 164 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: happened everywhere else. We identified sort of the three acts 165 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: of a communist uprising, a far left wing revolution, whether 166 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 3: they call themselves communists or socialists or dare we say democrats. 167 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: But we're going to pick up and do a little 168 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: bit of story time with Joshua Isaac featuring the Humans book, 169 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 3: the chapter Red Hot Cold War. If you have your copy, 170 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: you may turn to page one hundred and seventy nine. 171 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: This is what you do at Christmas time as you 172 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 3: read stories. Let's pick it up. It all started back 173 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy three with a coup. They kicked out 174 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 3: the Afghan king and ended the monarchy. Muhamma Daoud Khan, 175 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: a man of ambition and vision, toppled his cousin, King 176 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: Zahir Shaw while he was abroad. Overnight, Afghanistan transitioned from 177 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: a monarchy to a quasi democratic republic with Daud at 178 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: the helm. His initial moves were bold and modern, pushing 179 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: for women's rights and societal reforms such as surprise, surprise, 180 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: land redistribution. But these seemingly anti Islamic ambitions edged the 181 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: nation closer to Soviet influence. Radical shifts to modernize Afghanistan 182 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: rubbed traditionalists the wrong way, and by nineteen seventy eight, 183 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: simmering tensions exploded in the Sour Revolution, a Marxist Leninist faction. 184 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: The People's Democratic Republic of Afghanistan PDPA ousted an assassinated 185 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: down and yet another coup, And so the Democratic Republic 186 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: of Afghanistan was born, with the Soviet Union acting as 187 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 3: midwife and a KGB attending. Oh but it continues, it continues. 188 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: We're not done yet. To maintain the early grip on power, 189 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: the Afghankan communists imprisoned, tortured, and executed all who opposed. 190 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: This is what they do. These brutally unsurprising tactics sparked 191 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: a wildfire of resistance across the mountains and valleys of Afghanistan. 192 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: Enter the Mujahideen, a motley crue of fighters bound by 193 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: their shared disdain for the PDPA's atheistic and foreign backed regime. 194 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: While some were native Afghans and other Arab volunteers, these 195 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 3: simple men united under a common banner of defending their 196 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: faith and homeland against what they saw as an existential threat. 197 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 3: As internal strife escalated, the Soviet Union, watching its new 198 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: ally falter to next generation warfare as the US recently 199 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: had in Vietnam, decided to step in. December nineteen seventy 200 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 3: nine marked the beginning of a new chapter, as Soviet 201 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: tanks rolled across the borders into Afghanistan. This wasn't mere intervention. 202 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: It was a full scale invasion. Armed, It aimed at 203 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 3: a profit up the faltering communist regime. And again, we're 204 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 3: not done yet with this regime change business. Listen to this, 205 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: It's not done yet. In the US, charismatic Congressman Charlie Wilson, 206 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: Charlie Wilson's war now begins. Pozo, here we go. 207 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: Well, hold, before before you get to Tellie Wilson's war, 208 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: let's let's let's pause because and I do want to 209 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: go back. So in this our revolution, when they came 210 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: to the nationalist leader, now you mentioned that that they 211 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: assassinated him, were not, you know, not surprising, but Joshua 212 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know if we wrote it in the book, 213 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: but you know, perhaps in the new updated version of unhumans. 214 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: Imagine not owning our copy. Couldn't be me that. Uh 215 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: what did they do with his family? 216 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 3: What are they always with this family? 217 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: They killed him all increasing one big shock, big shock 218 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: right there. They killed him, his entire family, his wife, 219 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: is children, every single one of them. Wow. I can't 220 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: imagine not communists doing the same thing they do every 221 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: single time, Not Marxists engaging in insane blood letting and 222 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: insane violence every time their revolution expands to another country. 223 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: Not not atheists trying to impose their insane beliefs on 224 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: a radical religious by the way, a radical religious tribal people. 225 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: And so of course this does not work well. And 226 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: so this is what what we what we see responded 227 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: in when the tribes begin to you know, begin to 228 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: rise up, and they begin to actually fight back against 229 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: against the Soviets and so fight back against the new coup, 230 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: the new revolution, the new government. So that's when the 231 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: Marxists say, okay, we need more than just the KGB. 232 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: They put out the call to Moscow and they say 233 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: we need help or we're not going to win this thing. 234 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. And that's when shortly thereafter there were 235 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifteen thousand Soviet troops sent into Afghanistan. Meanwhile, 236 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: the CIA launched Operations cyclone under Charlie Wilson, Congressman Charlie Wilson, 237 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: who some of you have seen the film Charlie Wilson's War, 238 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: which depicts the internal as in the United States, this 239 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: fomenting of a righteous war, referring to the Mujahadeen as 240 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: the good guys, the good guys. My goodness. Now, one 241 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: of the organizations that opposed the Soviet Union and all 242 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: these troops and tanks and resources was a little group 243 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: called the Taliban. My goodness, what seems what do go ahead? 244 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: Oh no, I was just gonna say. What's amazing to me? 245 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Is one of the pictures that you get out of 246 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: this is, of course, there's a photo where the Mujahadeen 247 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: is meeting with President Ronald Reagan in the White House, 248 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: in the White House in the United States, and he's saying, oh, this, 249 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, this is going to be great. We'll work 250 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: with them. It's you know, it's amazing, and you know, 251 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: my gosh, it's when you look at it in a 252 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: post nine to eleven capacity, we're scratching your head saying 253 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,119 Speaker 1: how could this possibly have happened? And what we're explaining 254 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: and what I hope that we can try to do 255 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: through this entire series is explain how these things keep happening. 256 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: I remember, uh, of course there's the great Philips Teamer 257 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: Hoffmann plays gust Av Rakatos in the scene in the 258 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: movie and he's a in the CIA officer and he goes, 259 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, what is it? He goes, remembery he smashes 260 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: the window and he's like, you're in the business a 261 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: change in the world. You don't think it's odd. You're 262 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: in the only business we're doing. Nothing is considered radical, 263 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: you know. And he's just he's just saying over and 264 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: over about how it's you know, you have to have 265 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: the political will, you have to have the political will, 266 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's over and over and over 267 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: about how this is a great idea. And actually we 268 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: know what it turned into. It turned into the rise 269 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: of the Pakistani II, and from which Pakistani Intelligence which 270 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: basically runs Pakistan today. It's a great extent with the 271 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: US deep state. We saw the rise a little group 272 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: and the seed bed of what would one day become 273 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: Al Qaeda, the Taliban's rise then nine to eleven and 274 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: then eventually the longest war in America's history, and yet 275 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: for some reason, we don't talk about it in those terms. 276 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: So all of it, every single last domino, it's like 277 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: domino theory actually happens, but it happens with us and 278 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: not the other way around. And it all begins with 279 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: this coup in nineteen seventy eight, an invasion in nineteen 280 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: seventy nine, and this Cold War strategy. And we'll see 281 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: this throughout this episode and every episode we do that 282 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: never pauses to ask the most important question, what happens next? 283 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: What happens next? Jack Pasovic Joshua is sac By the way, 284 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: make sure you get your copy of Unhumans as well 285 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: as the new audiobook, which features myself as the narrator. 286 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: Go and get that wherever you can download your audio books. 287 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: It's got a couple of new chapters in there, so 288 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: make sure you get those as well. Be right back. 289 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: Tales of Regime Change Afghanistan. 290 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 13: Great Yard of Time, Times, Good You Love, Oh We Going. 291 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 14: The Taliban's rise to power in Afghanistan began in the 292 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 14: early nineteen nineties, when the group began resting control away 293 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 14: from the Mohajadian warlords who controlled the countryside and were 294 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 14: engaged in brutal civil conflict. 295 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: All right, Jack Pasovik, we are back tales of regime change, 296 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: and we're talking about Afghanistan, the graveyard of empire. So 297 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: now we're in the nineteen nineties. The Soviet Union has collapsed. 298 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: They've expended themselves. America's patting themselves on the back. Great job, 299 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: we did a great regime change. Look at US and 300 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: Afghanistan no longer battlefield, total vacuum. Soviets are out. America 301 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: packs up their covert ops and walks away. CIA walks away. 302 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: But you don't have a country. You have this shattered 303 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: mosaic of warlords, factions, armies. Get the victory over the 304 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: Red Army did not bring peace at all. What it 305 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: brought was a quagmire, a civil war. And who rises 306 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: to the top of this The Taliban. They called themselves 307 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: the students, and they were backed by golf donors. They 308 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: were backed by Pakistan's ISI, and believe it or not, 309 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: early on the Taliban was backed by the US government 310 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: as well, because they thought the Taliban would be a 311 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: stabilizing force, because they could win the civil war and 312 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: then stabilize Afghanistan, and the Taliban, of course was working 313 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: with a group called al Qaeda. Now al Qaida and 314 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: the Taliban rose separately out of the Afghanistan Civil War. 315 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: And there's two different tracks, so that people have to understand. 316 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: So the Taliban were Pashtuns. Pashtuns are the locals of 317 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and really live on both sides of the Afghan 318 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: Pakistani border, whereas al Qaeda they are not local. They 319 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: are Arabs, So Arabs and Pashtuns are two different races. 320 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: This is something of course that the planners in Washington 321 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: didn't really care about, didn't think it was a big deal, 322 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: didn't think. 323 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: Like it mattered. 324 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: And of course, as we know, the leader of the 325 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: al Qaeda was one of those wealthy scions of the 326 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: Gulf nations who used his family's wealth to grow al Qaeda, 327 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: and that of course was Osama bin Laden. And Osama 328 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: bin Laden, as we mentioned, was working with the Mujahadeen, 329 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: was working with US, backing, was working with the CIA, 330 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: was working with others. By the way, al Qaeda at 331 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: this point in the nineteen nineties was conducting attacks all 332 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: throughout Africa, conducted attacks even in Southeast Asia, but at 333 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: the same time was also aiding the United States and 334 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: various operations in where Yugoslavia. So this is a very 335 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: strange situation where you've got al Qaeda and NATO on 336 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: the same side of these different regime change wars. When 337 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: all of that breaks apart, and we'll have, of course 338 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: cover Yugoslavia in another segment of Tales of Regime Change. 339 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: So stay tuned, kids, it'll come up again. So by 340 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, Taliban takes Kandahart, then they take Kabble 341 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen teen ninety six, and believe it or not, 342 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,959 Speaker 1: one of the things that Taliban is known for is 343 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: public executions of pedophile warlords. Public executions of pedophile warlords 344 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: because they were conducting a practice known as bacha Basi 345 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: and bacha bazi is when the warlords would take the 346 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: prepubescent boys of the villages and of the areas they 347 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: controlled and raped them in their tents and in their palaces, 348 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: and then send them back to the families and would 349 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: keep a coterie of these boys around. They would say 350 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: girls are her procreation, boys are for fun. And so 351 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: those were the warlords that the US was backing the 352 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: Taliban then became the ones who were executing those warlords. 353 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: This will come up later. Then the coal bombing happens 354 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand from al Qaeda, and of course two 355 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: thousand and one we get nine eleven and the response 356 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: to nine to eleven. We all know Operation Enduring Freedom. So, Joshua, 357 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: at any point did any of these US planners sit 358 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: back and think, gosh, perhaps we played a role in 359 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: starting all of this. 360 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: Some of you all know, and you do as well. 361 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: Jack that data Republican, and I am working on a 362 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: book on the basically the three hundred plus year conflict 363 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: between what we'll call nationalism and supra nationalism. Supernationalism is 364 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 3: this idea that your own concept of a nation is 365 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: beyond the borders of one country. You might have all 366 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: heard the term globalism globalization. This is slightly different in 367 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 3: that you sort of see yourself as a citizen of 368 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: the world versus a person from a people with traditions, heritage, 369 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: and more. This might be the difference between what we 370 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 3: like to call heritage Americans versus NPR Americans, sort of 371 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 3: people who listen to and consume mainstream media that is 372 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: as much focus on what's happening on the other side 373 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: of the planet, and how that affects you today, where 374 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: you have ideological allies if you're liberal in New Zealand 375 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 3: or Canada, and you see yourself as the kin of 376 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: those individuals, if you're an NPR American. So that is 377 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: the Data and Rebliconie with the book coming out in 378 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. What we trace is this growth of 379 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: this ideology that we are a global village. We all 380 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 3: need to get along. People are interchangeable. If they're not 381 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: going to play nice and act nice, we can just 382 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: make them. It's a sort of foreign policy based on 383 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 3: blank slate theory, and generally what we see from these 384 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 3: people who are as naive as they are powerful, the 385 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: supernationalists in the West and elsewhere, Oh, we can just 386 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: get rid of a regime if they're a closed society, 387 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 3: to use the phrase popularized by George Soros, who is 388 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: a let's say, a star character in my Data Republicans book, 389 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 3: and so perpetual intervention, whether it's Afghanistan, or it's Syria, 390 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 3: or it's Libya, or it's Iraq potentially Iran, right, pick 391 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 3: your country. There's this idea that humankind is perfectible. It 392 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 3: is a misapplication of Enlightenment values, where if you simply 393 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 3: create the right structure with the right incentives, you'll get 394 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 3: the right results. And so because there's a morality involved 395 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 3: here where there's what did Charlie Wilson say, he called 396 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: them Johodin quote the good guys that good and evil 397 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 3: and we're on the side of good. That filter, that 398 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 3: mindset looks, and when it's applied to these different scenarios, 399 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 3: you end up having a situation where third world interventions 400 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 3: bring third world consequences, and it's as if there's blindness 401 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: to these consequences. Well, we should just not let that happen. 402 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: So you hear the words or directly or indirectly, should 403 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 3: just appear amongst the supernationalists, who again are those individuals 404 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: who for decades, if not centuries, sort of see themselves 405 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: as citizens of the world, and so the whole world 406 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: is in their pere view, which is why when Donald J. Trump, 407 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: our president, speaks ill of Haiti or Somalia, for example, 408 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 3: they get all offended. How dare they speak about Somalia? 409 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: They're just like us, their culture is same. 410 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: The ideology is so funny when you actually break it down. 411 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: All right, folks, will be right back in our next 412 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: segment on this Afghanistan Graveyard of Empires, Tales Regime Change. 413 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 6: We just got a report and that there's been some 414 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 6: sort of explosion at the World Trade Center in New 415 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 6: York City. One report said a plane may have hit 416 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 6: one of the two. 417 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 9: Towers of the United States military has begun strikes against 418 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 9: al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the 419 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 9: Taliban regime in Afghanistan. 420 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: All right, Jack, so we are back. This is Tales 421 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: of Regime Change, Graveyard of Empires Afghanistan. And so, folks, 422 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: we get we've come to the part of the story 423 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: where we begin the Forever War, America's longest war two 424 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: thousand and two to twenty twenty one. Think about nineteen years, 425 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: or for really twenty years if you consider the original 426 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: October two thousand and one beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom. 427 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: So Taliban falls in two thousand and one, and then 428 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: what America attempts to do is dismantle their regime, but 429 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: then lay a liberal Jeffersonian regime based on American ideals 430 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: on top of it, and they just believe that democracy 431 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: would pop up and flourish in and I'm just going 432 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: to say it. They believe that centralized elections, government, civil institutions, 433 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: individual rights, professionalized security forces, and a free market economy 434 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: complete with women's rights, gay rights. I'm sure today up 435 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: to the you know parts of the administration, we're trying 436 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: to push transgender rights. At one point, that they could 437 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: impose this on a low IQ tribal, hyper religious culture 438 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: that's existed for thousands of years and still practices cousin marriage, 439 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: that they could just use the force of will of 440 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: Washington DCS. You've got George Bush, you know, kind of 441 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: on the you know, the military front, the you know, 442 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna fight and we're gonna win. But then you've 443 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: also on the other side, got George Soros, who's pushing 444 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: liberal democracy and liberal hegemony. And in a way, and 445 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: people might not think of this, but George Bush and 446 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: George Soros were almost aligned on this because they both 447 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: were and are globalists. Joshua Leisak, Why is it that 448 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: the nation building project in Afghanistan was such a failure. 449 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: One of the reasons it's such a failure is that 450 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: the super nationalist neo liberal ideology doesn't really work outside 451 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: of the Western world. For example, what are American values 452 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: versus what are passion values? What are the values of 453 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 3: these pedophile warlords, and why are we aligning themselves with them. 454 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: We all know individuals who were serving on the ground 455 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: and even in combat during the Global War on Terror, 456 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: and the horror stories that they brought back that sadly 457 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 3: drove many of our best men and women to claim 458 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 3: their own lives. Was the inability to stop the pedophilia 459 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: that they witnessed over there, that they had to back off. 460 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: It's just a cultural custom. Don't judge that is The 461 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 3: trouble with supernationalist neoliberalism is because they're simply incompatible, and 462 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 3: yet there's a naivete that persists. What shocked so many 463 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: people who look into this is you realize that George W. 464 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: Bush Bush and George HW. Bush before him, and George Soros, 465 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: the two Georgia's, were by and large ideologically aligned. Listen 466 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: to this from December third, two thousand and one. The 467 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 3: United States its allies are winning the war on Afghanistan, 468 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: wrote George Sorrows. I listened to this as yet there's 469 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 3: a little clear thinking about what that means in practice 470 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: and how we can ensure here we go a broader 471 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: victory by helping to build a genuinely free, open, and 472 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 3: prosperous society in Afghanistan, Free, open, and prosperous. So the 473 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 3: idea is as a sort of citizen of the world, 474 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 3: where all nations are part of my PureView neoliberal meaning, 475 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: we can bring secular enlightenment values to everyone. And he 476 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: goes on to talk about the basic necessities. He starts 477 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 3: to sound like a public school teacher about healthcare rights 478 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 3: and education, technology, hospitals, the sort of staples of Western society. 479 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 3: He starts talking about roads, for instance here and then 480 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 3: he says the best organization. This is where he does 481 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: go at odds with George Bush. He says that the 482 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: best organization to rebuild Afghanistan to make it a prosperous, 483 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 3: in free society is not the United States. It's the 484 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 3: United Nations, which has a record of demonstrated incompetence. Everywhere 485 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 3: there is a nation building or a regime change effort. 486 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: One of the patterns that we witness with regime change 487 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 3: across a place, time and race is a three act structure. 488 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: We saw this with communist revolution, but the three act 489 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 3: structure the rule of three seems to be persistent across 490 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: our physical reality, in our human reality. And here it 491 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: is again, and we'll see this also in Iraq and 492 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: Syria and elsewhere where. Act one is this sort of 493 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: demonization and pre preparation where we have to build the 494 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 3: moral case with your own people that we need to 495 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 3: go over there. Right, we fight them over there, so 496 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 3: we won't fight them over here. Yeah, how did that 497 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: turn out? Right? We ended up importing them sending them 498 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 3: over here, right, which Data Republican acknowledges is the George 499 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: Sourosian solution to nation building after the Global War on Terror. 500 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 3: You know, we can't, really, we have trouble democratizing their spaces, 501 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 3: So we just bring the populations here instead, and then 502 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: we can learn how to train them to be good 503 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 3: little neoliberal supernationalists and explore a prosperous, free and open society. Right. 504 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 3: Open means you're open to influences, you're a cosmopolitan. But 505 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: the trouble is, there is very little cultural similarity between 506 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 3: your New York Times subscriber and a pedophile warlord. Those 507 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 3: are two different tribes, different realities even, and they simply 508 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: do not mix. How do we treat these uncontact tribes 509 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 3: in the Amazon, How does the government of Bzil treat them? 510 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 3: What about Sentinel Island? Everyone knows about the Sentinel Island 511 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 3: right as in that there are laws against going there. 512 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 3: Why is it that we have those laws, that there 513 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 3: are those policies, and yet we pick a nation like 514 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: Afghanistan or Iraq and we need to charge headlong in there, 515 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 3: but first demonize the leader, say we have to go there. 516 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 3: There's the good guy. We've got to stop the bad guys. Right. 517 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 3: That's stage one, where you make the moral case for it. 518 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 3: And then you have Act two or Stage two, which 519 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 3: is where you execute the change and often execute your enemies. 520 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: That's where the intervention. There's overthrow, there's direct invasion, there's 521 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 3: air strikes, there's proxy support for in this case the 522 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: Jahadin and then the Taliban, and finally acts there's been 523 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 3: chaos and bloodshed and destruction. You come in to do 524 00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: Act three. That's the aftermath, the consolidation. You try to 525 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 3: install your people. And this is where George Soros advises 526 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: a neoliberal supranationalist order. 527 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: And what's amazing. Oh so, no, I was just going 528 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: to add to that. What's amazing is that, you know, 529 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: when you look at it from a military perspective, it's 530 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: the US military was always able to win in you know, 531 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: one city or one battle or whatever it might be. 532 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: But the problem was it was the George Soros angle 533 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: that kept failing because they would keep trying to build 534 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: this central liberal government, neoliberal government, which would constantly keep 535 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,479 Speaker 1: collapsing because again, we're propping up the pedophile warlords. We're saying, 536 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: it's just their culture. We're working with people who the 537 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: local populace hates because they can see that we're the 538 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: ones who are propping them up, and they look at 539 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: us as the invader because we broke every single rule 540 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: of fourth generation warfare. You run in with tanks and 541 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: bombs and then say you should love us because we've 542 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 1: killed your children and blown up your cities. You should 543 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: fly the American flag. We've liberated you, don't you see, 544 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: And we've never once considered how it might look to 545 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: the local populace. Then oh, by the way, yes, we're 546 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: going to We're going to prop up all these ideals 547 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: that run completely counter to Islam, which run completely counter 548 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: to your cultural moras, which run completely encounter to everything 549 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: that you believe, and that because Afghanistan wasn't a blank slate. 550 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: There are no blank slates in the world. Blank slate 551 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. The blank slate does not exist. It never has. 552 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: And these blank slaters need to go. And then they 553 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: would say, oh, well, and we're just going to show 554 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: how good we are. So we're going to open our doors. 555 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: We're going to open our doors. So and people miss this, 556 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in because I know we only haven't 557 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: been left in this segment, but I want to get 558 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: this in that people forget that although Bush did the 559 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: surgeon Iraq, the surgeon Afghanistan was two thousand and nine. 560 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: That was Barack Obama. So Barack Obama is the one 561 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: who expands the war in Afghanistan, keeps it going throughout 562 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: his administration, even though he campaign on ending it, and continues, 563 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: of course the drone war, which you know it crosses 564 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: into Pakistan, and it's all in furtherance of this insane 565 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: neoliberal project. That's what Obama did. So Obama is the 566 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: one who continues the surge in Afghanistan. Trump tries to 567 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: throughout his first term to get them out. Doesn't happen. 568 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: Then Biden and where it comes in. And of course 569 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: we're going to get to that in the next segment. 570 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one. What happened after twenty years of American 571 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: involvement of a forever war in a country loiq and 572 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: cousin marriage still exists? Jack Sobek Joshualizing. 573 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 3: With that. 574 00:37:51,120 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 12: Good, President Biden announced the end to the US war 575 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 12: in Afghanistan from the same spot in the White House 576 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 12: Treaty Room as President George W. Bush announced its beginning 577 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 12: twenty years ago. 578 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 3: It's time to end America's longest war. 579 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: Well, folks were now in the spring of twenty twenty one. 580 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: The accelerated drawdown, US bases, empty, overnight contractors, vanish air 581 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: support disappears. The fragile Afghan state, which Washington and the 582 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: United States spent two decades propping up, suddenly had to 583 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 1: stand on its own. Guess what It folded faster than Saigon. 584 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: Every capital fell. Afghan soldiers abandoned their weapons, vehicles, even 585 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: entire bases. They switched sides, negotiated surrenders, or simply walked home. 586 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: The Taliban advanced faster than anyone thought possible. They entered 587 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: Kabul on August fifteenth, twenty twenty one without resistance. This 588 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: was not a conquest. 589 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 3: This is key. 590 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 1: It was the unmasking of a political illusion that Washington 591 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: had been pushing for twenty years. The ministries, the armies, 592 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: the police, the courts. It was all fake, as the 593 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: kids say, it was all fake and gay because it 594 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: collapsed in days and we saw the images the helicopters 595 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: evacuating the US embassy, Afghans clinging to aircraft, crowds flooding 596 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: the airport, the very scenes that America's wore. What never 597 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: happened to ground happened again in the media, and no one, 598 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: no one in Washington sat down and actually asked themselves. 599 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 1: They want to point to blame. Oh it's Trump's fault. 600 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: Oh it's this fault, it's that fault, it's military's fault, 601 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: it's the Afghan's faults, it's a Shrifgani's fault. Or or 602 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: perhaps could it have been the fault of telling ourselves 603 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: the wrong story. We're perhaps we telling ourselves a story 604 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: that American values and liberal democracy can flood around the 605 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: world and that this will work every place that it's tried. 606 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: We're be telling ourselves a story that we wanted to believe, 607 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: and most importantly, were the Afghans listening to that story 608 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: or were they perhaps telling themselves their own story. Joshua Isaac, 609 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: you are the master of using story and explaining how 610 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: story and the stories that we tell ourselves activate our minds, 611 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: activate our beliefs, activate and they drive our social policy. 612 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: Do you agree with me that this was, in addition 613 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: to being class for civilization of classical cultures, it was 614 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: in fact a clash of stories. 615 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:55,479 Speaker 3: To quote Mike Sronovich, all media is narrative. To quote 616 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 3: Joshua Isaac, all history is ghost written, written by the victors, 617 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 3: specifically the victors who can't afford to hire the ghosts 618 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 3: to write the history. And one of the issues with 619 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 3: neglect for the facts is we forget how these things go. 620 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 3: Every single time I'm reminded of our sort of founding 621 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 3: mythos that you had, George Washington. You had the Comminal 622 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 3: Congress in our own country. We had this grand vision, 623 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 3: we had its glorious values. We had Christian faith. We 624 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 3: had Greek and Roman and Northern European and the early 625 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 3: books of the Bible, Deuteronomy, Livicus, and so on, that 626 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 3: all came together to provide the foundational ideas for this 627 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 3: wonderful American experiment. But when you look at the actual 628 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 3: military conflict between the men and the militia under Washington 629 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,799 Speaker 3: and his officers versus the Grand British Empire, the irony, 630 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 3: the absolute irony, is you see something closer rather than 631 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 3: the sort of wonderful, let's say, organized warfare. And on 632 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 3: the battlefield, what you more so see is something akin 633 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 3: to the mujahin in Afghanistan, or perhaps Russian soldiers in 634 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 3: the winter being attacked by every single empire that's ever 635 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,399 Speaker 3: attacked them from German two French. One of the most 636 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 3: interesting stories from the American Revolutionary period is General John 637 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 3: Burgoyne and his pursuit of George Washington's army for a 638 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 3: number of months during the Lewis of State New York 639 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:45,959 Speaker 3: Pennsylvania sort of a region where We'regoyne against Washington. Won 640 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 3: battle after battle after battle, but it was the heat 641 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 3: and the humidity of summer swamps that did his army in. 642 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 3: It was the geography that outlasted the British Empire there well, 643 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 3: and eventually, by the time we're going caught up with Washington, 644 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 3: they were done. They surrendered, they quit. 645 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: So, Joshua, are you saying that perhaps the terrain has 646 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: a vote, that perhaps the people have a vote, the 647 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 1: culture has a vote, that the law of unintended consequences 648 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: always wins in the final round. And look, I'll just 649 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: say again, folks, I served at Guantanamo Bay. I spent 650 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: a year down there. I worked in the interrogation cell, 651 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: and I saw these guys up close and personal. I 652 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: am not speaking from something that I've read. I'm not 653 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: speaking just from something that I've seen on the movies 654 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: or something. I'm speaking as a guy who actually met 655 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: Taliban members and al Qaeda members and all the rest. 656 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: This is what they believe. And I know what they 657 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: believe because I heard them say it from their own mouth, 658 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: sometimes through translators, sometimes even in perfect English. They fully 659 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: are committed to radical Islam. They are fully committed to 660 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: believing that Islam should take over the world and that 661 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: they should rightfully be the rulers of all nations. That 662 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: they want to spread their caliphate throughout all borders, throughout 663 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: all of Christendom, throughout all of China, throughout all of 664 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: North America, and they want all of us to be subjugated. 665 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: This is simply what they believe. This is what they 666 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: told themselves. And guess what. That was the story that 667 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: beat America in Afghanistan for twenty years, because while we 668 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: imposed our story of oh, you can be liberated, they said, 669 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: we don't want to be liberated. We want to be 670 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: proud Muslims who believe in our God. And that fervent 671 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: belief fought carried them through twenty years of this fight 672 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: and also the terrain that they have on their side, 673 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: the advantage, the cultural advantage. That is why when you 674 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 1: go to Afghanistan today you will see the Taliban still 675 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: in charge. We had the hubris. We believe that we 676 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: can control outcomes from thousands of miles away. We believe 677 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: that our values were universal, that everyone would just believe 678 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: what we believe, and that our good intentions would override 679 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: all of these local realities. It's not true, you know, folks. 680 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: The graveyard of Empires doesn't beat outsiders. It outlasts them, 681 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: and it outlasts them every time. Joshua Isaac, let me 682 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,200 Speaker 1: get a final minute wrap up from you. 683 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,879 Speaker 3: On the topic of American storytelling. One of the most 684 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 3: another interesting story that maps onto this and with this, 685 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,720 Speaker 3: so why that the neoliberal experiment failed every single time. 686 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 3: The British Empire that same mindset to the American colonies. 687 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 3: Of course, we've retold ourselves this glorious news story. But 688 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 3: the British Empire and the Southern colonies, they backed what 689 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 3: we might call the rednecks, who were loyalists living in 690 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 3: the backwoods of the Southern colonies, rather than ally with 691 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 3: the local Southern aristocracy. And what ended up happening by 692 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 3: them equipping the backwoods Scots Irish who despised the uptight 693 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 3: toity Southern colonists. They engaged in total warfare, murdering entire families, 694 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 3: including the women and the children. The Scott's Irish loyalists 695 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 3: did who were given power, who were given resources, and 696 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 3: it absolutely horrified the British that they had created this 697 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,760 Speaker 3: massive bloodshed, and that course created propaganda which then turned 698 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 3: the entirety against the British experiment. Ironically, the United States 699 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 3: and with its geography and its unique cultural situation, was 700 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 3: the graveyard of the British spire. This is why it's 701 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 3: so important that we learn our own politically incorrect history 702 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 3: and we separate just ghosts written by the victors versus 703 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 3: that which actually happened. That's far darker than most of 704 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 3: us are prepared to read. 705 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: Folks, this has been Episode one Tales of Regime Change, 706 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,080 Speaker 1: Graveyard of Empires, Afghanistan. I'm Jack Sobic, and next time 707 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 1: we'll follow the pattern to a new front. Another intervention, 708 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: another mission, another set of promises, and another chapter in 709 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,280 Speaker 1: the story. We've had great powers 710 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 13: These and gentlemen, those always good