1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan. Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the 6 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: Colin Cowherd Podcast. Now that Dak is signed up for 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, there is a sense that, okay, best team 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: in the division. Here we go. I would caution people 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: on that the Washington football team rolled Dallas twice non 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: competitive games. The Washington football team gave Tampa Bay, the 11 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl champs, all they could handle. With Taylor Heineke, 12 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: They're gonna upgrade at quarterback. This is a team that 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: has a championship defense, a top three defensive line. Ron 14 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Rivera is considered within the NFL, a better coach than 15 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, and they actually have a general manager who's 16 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: not the owner. I think Washington's fascinating. They are reportedly 17 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: the one team that has made calls for Dashaun, Matt Stafford, 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Sam Darnold, Jimmy Garoppolo. They've made calls for everybody, 19 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: and my feeling is if they landed, say Teddy Bridgewater tomorrow. 20 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: I think that the best football team in that division. 21 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean Alex Smith playing at about seventy five, five 22 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: and one. People are suddenly overlooking Washington. Once this team 23 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: bought into Ron Rivera late October, they were the best 24 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: team in the division. They were absolutely the best team 25 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: in the division. So I think right now Washington's a 26 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: bye if I was your stockholder, not that Dallas is 27 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: a cell. Philadelphia is kind of a mess. Put them 28 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: in for four. We still don't know if Daniel Jones 29 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: can play, but I don't know. The team I watched 30 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: at the end of the year under Ron Rivera was 31 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: the best team in that division, and I thought physically 32 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: matched up better with anybody the Buccaneers faced, including the 33 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Packers. He was named the number one 34 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: pro sports executive of the two thousands by Sports Illustrated. 35 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: He was the architect early on of the Patriots dynasty 36 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and one to two thousand and eight, moved 37 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: on to the Chiefs. He's a three time Super Bowl champ. 38 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: His name is Scott Pioli and he is now joining 39 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: us in the Colin Coward podcast. So you know the 40 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott thing. You know, the basic rule in this 41 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: league is don't play, don't pay good players great money. 42 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: And though the salary cap will move up as you know, 43 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't, it's not going to explode over the next 44 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: four years, whereas like Mahomes, for instance, he started getting 45 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: big money about five years from now, and that's when 46 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: all the networks are paying double what they are now 47 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: because there's escalators in these network contracts where Fox goes 48 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: from one one to one, three to one, five to 49 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: one seven. So I do feel like Dax contracts got 50 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: for the remainder of it. He's a good player getting 51 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: great money. That would worry me. And he is getting 52 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: great money. He's a he's a good and at times 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: very good player. He hasn't hit that elite level yet. 54 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: But my senses, and I don't know this combat, My 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: sense is that Jerry Jones is on the committee, he's 56 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: on the broadcast. He knows something, and we know it's 57 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna grow. It's not going to be as exponential 58 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: or over the top immediately, like you say, because that's 59 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: something I remember because I was in those meetings for 60 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: so many years where they talked about the why and 61 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: what they were going to how they would grow the 62 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: revenue coming from television, and they intentionally spread things out 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: over years because they didn't ever want a situation where 64 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: there was this landslide of money. Yes, that's right, and 65 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: they're going to do the same thing now because that 66 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: just screws things up, so if they go up gradually. 67 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: But again, I just think that there's something else that 68 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones may know. Again, he's part of the Finance Committee. 69 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: He's a part of the most powerful communities, so he 70 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: does know something. And I really just I don't think 71 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: he would do anything to put himself to a bad 72 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: situation financially for his team anyway. You know, when he 73 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: paid Tyron Smith, he was the highest paid tackle. When 74 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: he paid Jayalen Smith, he was one of the highest 75 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: paid linebackers. When he paid to Marcus Lawrence, he was 76 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive lineman. When he paid Zeke it 77 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: was the highest running back contract. When he paid to 78 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: Mario it was the highest receiver contract. Some of this, 79 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's some vanity here. Some of this 80 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: could some of this could be a billionaire flex that 81 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: he has a brand that has so much cash that 82 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: he can write these hundred million dollars Jackson. As you know, 83 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: Scott a third of the league camp. I could argue 84 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: half the league camp. Could some of this just be 85 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: a little vanity? I think so. I think it's a 86 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: combination of things. Colin. I think you're Underson right that 87 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of that. I think it's a 88 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: confluence of a number of things. Because I also think 89 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: that he realizes that he thought he had leverage last 90 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: year and he lost. I mean, this was definitely something 91 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: it did not work out because here's what Dak's agent, 92 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: Todd Frances is very smart, as is Jerry. But Dak 93 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: knew that Deshaun Watson was going to get a deal 94 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: that was going to be huge. He knew that Patrick 95 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: Mahomes was going to get a deal it was huge. 96 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: So doing a deal last year, I think that that 97 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: Todd France said, you know what, Dak, let's be still, 98 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: Let's take this enormous, you know, franchise number, and we'll 99 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: get paid next year. And we're gonna get paid exponentially 100 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: more next year. So I think that there's this element 101 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: where again it's part flex, it's party got leveraged. He 102 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: doesn't want to be in a situation like that again. 103 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: But here's the one thing we know. Every time a 104 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: contract is done and these salaries go up. This is 105 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: a huge contract. But you know what, call him two 106 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: years from now, this won't be in the top five 107 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: quarterback contracts to the National Football League. I would I'm 108 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: not a betting man, but if I was, I'd bet 109 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: a hamburger with you today, Like Whimpy used to on Popeye, 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: that that number is that Dak's Dak Prescott's contract two 111 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: years from no won't be in the top five. You know, 112 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: the franchise tag gets a bad rap. Dak did well 113 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: with it, Kirk Cousins did well with it. Players don't 114 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: like it when you're a general manager and you have 115 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: to franchise a player like the Bucks did, Chris Godwin. 116 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Is it sensitive? Do you have to kind of go 117 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: up and call and say, listen, we love you. But 118 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: it's extremely sensitive. And you know, in all the years, 119 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: with my years at the Patriots, my years in Kansas City, 120 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: I never liked doing it, but you also knew that 121 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: sometimes you had to step outside of these personal relationships 122 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: and business was business, and I never felt good about it. 123 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: I remember watching how it affected the relationship with Adam 124 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: Vanatari had with Bill and I right, because we franchised 125 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: him in two thousand and two. He wasn't happy about it. 126 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: We did a longer term extension for three years. At 127 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: the end of that, in two thousand and five, we 128 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: had to franchise him again. He played for that year, 129 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: but the relationship was over. And you never you know, 130 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: in any negotiation. I've always felt this way, Colin. If 131 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: you've got the hammer, don't bring it into the room. 132 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: And but the availability of it forces you to do 133 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: something that you don't want to do. And this year, 134 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. Players don't like it because I 135 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: think it's just human nature. Column People don't like to 136 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: be told what to do. They don't like to be 137 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: painted into a corner. They want to they free agency 138 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: was supposed to be about free will, and that gets 139 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: taken from a player. This year is an interesting year, though, 140 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: because this is not a good year to be a 141 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: free agent, right We've had this drop in the cap. 142 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: Salaries are coming up, caps coming down, so the margin 143 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: is less. Yet players that are going to be franchise 144 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: this year are getting paid dollars and numbers and guarantees 145 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: based on last year's, so it actually helps them this year. 146 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: And again there's going to be an uptick, and you 147 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: and I just were talking about how much that uptick 148 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: is going to be. I don't know, but it's going 149 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: to be a better place to be a free agent 150 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: next year. So being a franchise player this year may 151 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: not be that awful thing as long as it's only 152 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: one year. Well, it's interesting too. I theorized a couple 153 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: of weeks ago on my show on Fox Sports. I said, 154 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: this is a great quarterback class. The draft next year 155 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: is not very good. So if Dak would have franchised 156 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: and got into the market, there are no Trevor Lawrences 157 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: next year. There may not be a justin fields next year, 158 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: and so Dak would have gotten paid regardless. And I 159 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: do think he's an adult, he's mature, he'll handle it. 160 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: It is interesting though he stays in Dallas. But Stafford 161 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: of the Rams golf to the Lions, went to the Colts. 162 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson may move. Russell Wilson unhappy in Seattle. When 163 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: you entered this league, good quarterbacks did not hit the market. 164 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: How surprised are you now that they moved like NBA stars. 165 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: I think something that happened this year. You know, you 166 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: mentioned a number of players when you look at the 167 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: golf contract, and that was a mistake that the Rams made. 168 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: They somehow they were blessed to get out of that 169 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: mistake that they made with that contract because there's all 170 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: that trailing guaranteed money. They were able to get out 171 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: of the same thing with Carson Wentz. What's interesting here 172 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: because I've been sitting back thinking to myself, Okay, if 173 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: a player his high enough profile is a good enough 174 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: player and you give them all that guaranteed money, right, 175 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: one thought is like you're saying, why do we have 176 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: to do this. We don't have to do this. May 177 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: not be this may be a bad idea, but let's 178 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: just say for the next two years, there's all this 179 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: money guaranteed. But two years later, Colin, we're looking at 180 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and he's still just a good player compared 181 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: to what you're looking at coming out the Cowboys. If 182 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: they have to trade him, they might be able to 183 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: get out from under that contract. What was the first 184 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: big contract you signed? You know, Jerry West tells the 185 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: story when he signed Shack. He got sick. He literally 186 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. What was the first big contract you signed 187 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: with New England, a very frugal and cost efficient franchise, 188 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: and was it restless sleep for you? I would say 189 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: the one that I was a part of, the one 190 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: that gave me. There was a number of big contracts 191 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: that we signed, not a ton, but there were a 192 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: number of big contracts. But I felt so confident about 193 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: those players because the players that we did it with 194 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 1: were guys that we had lived with. And I mean 195 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: it was Brady remember we did that year, that that deal. 196 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: It was his third contract and it was sixty years, 197 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, and Breeze was already was well above 198 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: that Manning was. But I didn't lose sleep because we 199 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: knew one of the one of the rules I go by. 200 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: One of the things I believe is if if your 201 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: highest paid players are your hardest workers, then you've got 202 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: a chance. So when we gave him the big contract, 203 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I didn't feel as bad about it. When we started 204 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: paying some of the players that I knew we're going 205 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: to be the right guys, I was okay with it. 206 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: The one that really that we made a big deal. Again, 207 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of some things. When we 208 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: did the Corey Dillon deal, I wasn't worried about that 209 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: because we knew what Corey was and we were expected 210 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: him when we and he delivered by delivered for sixteen 211 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: hundred yards. Yeah, but the one that worried me was 212 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: when we did a Dahlias Thomas And what we did 213 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: is we went outside the family. We saw a player 214 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: that had tools and skills that we really liked, and 215 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't a player that we really knew that well, um, 216 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: we knew some things about him, but what we didn't 217 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,479 Speaker 1: realize was that, you know, and this wasn't a Dahlias's fault, 218 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: you know that that that culture in New England, the 219 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: way we had set things up, the locker room, the coaches, 220 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: the culture, the big picture culture that wasn't for everybody. 221 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: And that's not a slight on anybody, because you know, 222 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: in certain ways we were really difficult and it was 223 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: it was the wrong marriage. But we paid him at 224 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: the time, I want to say, it was like a 225 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: seven million dollars a year deal. And yeah, we weren't 226 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: willing to pay Willie that we weren't paying Rabel that 227 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: we know. And um, so that one worried me and 228 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: and and you know it ended up not being a 229 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: good deal for us. I'll tell you what. Another one 230 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: that I remember being a part of at the New 231 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: York Jets that and when you were asked the story, 232 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: I know you asked me to tell you about the Patriots. 233 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: There was one that I was a little bit worried 234 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: about because I was I was threatened. I was. I 235 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: was the pro personnel director at the time and had 236 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: fallen in love with Kevin Mawai and he was at 237 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: Seattle and I'll never forget this is a funny story. 238 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: But so Parcels wasn't really you know. He he didn't 239 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: like to pay players too much. And we were in 240 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: this now in this negotiation. Tanta Baun was Mike Tata 241 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: Boun was a contract negotiating at the time. But I 242 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: was the pro personnel dark guys kind of involved in 243 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: the contract. I was kind of involved in the in 244 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: the recruiting of him, and we ended up making him 245 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: the highest paid center in the National Football League. And 246 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: what Parcels did, He says, Okay, you love this guy 247 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: so much. Well, here's what happened. Mawhi and his agent said, listen, 248 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: we live in Washington. There's no state income tax, so 249 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: we want to execute the contracts so we can save 250 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,599 Speaker 1: on the signing bonus. I think at the time was 251 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: like a six million dollars signing bonus. He was going 252 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: to save a ton of money, so he wanted to 253 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: execute the contract out there. And Parcels comes to me 254 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: and brings Tananbauma with him. Tan baums like looking away 255 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: from me, and he says, Okay, you want to get 256 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: this guy side of you want him so badly. You're 257 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: flying to Seattle, meeting him in the airport, getting him 258 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: and his wife on the plane, and flying back to 259 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: New York with him. And I remember I was certain 260 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: he was going to be a good enough player, but 261 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: there was also I did have a sleepless night there, 262 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: just wondering if that was truly going to work out, 263 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: because we needed a player like what he became. We 264 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: needed him so badly, so that one worried me. But 265 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: thankfully it worked out. Yeah. He's actually, yeah, he was 266 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: a real he. I think he's now an Arizona States 267 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: football staff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a He's a one 268 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: of those guys that he's a leader like you can. 269 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,359 Speaker 1: He can you can build an offensive line around his personality, 270 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: not just his skills. One Colin, and he was and 271 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: he's smart, gosh is he's smart, smart, tough, you know, 272 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: and that was what you know, part of what helped 273 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: Vinnie Testaverdie become a much better quarterback was he had 274 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: Vinnie had so much trust in Kevin and Kevin's communication 275 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: and ability to communicate, you know, identify the mike, but 276 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: also to set protections and players like Kevin moy I mean, 277 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: I know he made he made the Hall of Fame, 278 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: but there's so many reasons having spent time around him. 279 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: He was smart, he was tough, Maybe he was smart 280 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: and thoughtful. 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Cowboys have a very aggressive owner. 298 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: Green Bay's fascinating because you know they're not a top 299 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: free agent destination and their DNA is not hyper aggressive. 300 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting. I've always thought green Bay 301 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: in a way I would not that I'd want a 302 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: meddling owner, But the value of having a Jerry Jones 303 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: or a George Steinbrenner is they may just wake up 304 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: one morning, Scott and go get me that guy, and 305 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: I'll pay what it takes. In green Bay, you never 306 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: have that. And and there is like I sometimes I 307 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: watch Aaron Rodgers, and I think, you know, I like, 308 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm at a company with Rupert Murdoch. Some days Rupert 309 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: Murdoch wakes up and he just wants to make a deal, 310 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: and I benefit is it. Do you think Green Bay 311 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: is a great GM job or a tough GM job. 312 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's both, and I'm not 313 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: trying to speak out both sides of my mouth. I 314 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: think it's a tremendous job because sometimes you don't want 315 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: people in your business if they don't know what they're 316 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: doing and they don't know where the line should be, 317 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: and you want to have people that respect you. But 318 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: I also know that there's certain things that the either 319 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: the GM head coach at the people that work for 320 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: the packers need to do. They have to meet with 321 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: the board of directors, There's a lot of other people 322 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: that they have to answer to um that that take 323 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: up a little bit of time. And you know, you 324 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: look at that job and you see what Ron Wolf 325 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: did when he was there, and he made it a 326 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: destination with Reggie White and Harry Galbert, remember that the 327 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: four that they went on that that was a ninety two, 328 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: that was a first year of free agency. I was 329 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: actually with the Browns and they came through on their 330 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: on the victory tour, and um, it's an interesting place. 331 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: But Colin, you know, I want to step back here 332 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: because you bring something up um our time at the 333 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: Patriots Um when we started in two thousand, Bill and 334 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: I and you know, Robert Kraft was a very involved 335 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: owner along with his son Jonathan, very involved in the 336 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: decision making. And I'll tell you it was an amazing 337 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: People had talked about Robert in the past that maybe 338 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: he got too involved or he thought too many things. 339 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: But I will say this with all sincerity. You know, 340 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: the job that Bill and I did, we did a 341 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: better job many times because of Robert Kraft. There were 342 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 1: times where we sat in our weekly meetings and we 343 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: were talking about things when it came down to you 344 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: because I was the negotiator. It came down to things 345 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: and situations and circumstances that Robert had lived through, and 346 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: he was m you know, he was a bit of 347 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: I called him godfather. He called Hi himself a rabbi. 348 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: Right it was, it was. But he at times would 349 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: help Bill and I m tap the brakes on certain 350 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: things where we were maybe losing our way or and 351 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: maybe losing our way is too strong a way to 352 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: put it. But he just supplied this level of experience 353 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: and knowledge, even though it wasn't football related. Um, that 354 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: was really helpful at times, and I truly believe helped 355 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: Bill and I I meant in some of the decisions 356 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: we made. Scott Pioli joining me on the callin Coward 357 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: Podcast Free Most great gms dabble in free agency, but 358 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: try to get some value. You know, I'm for occasionally. 359 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: You know, I thought DeForrest Buckner for the Colts was 360 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: a smart get. They hadn't spent a lot of money, 361 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: they weren't paying a fortunate time for a quarterback they needed, 362 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: They had an emerging defensive front, and he was a star. 363 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: I thought that was a really smart get. By and large, 364 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: Chris Ballard's not gonna He's not gonna chase that less 365 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: sneed is young, he's aggressive, He's got the NFL's richest owner. 366 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: It's in a very crowded market with Lebron James and 367 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: the Dodgers. You know, he understands the value of getting stars. 368 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: So everybody has a different sensibility. But the draft, did 369 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: you love the draft? Did you're talking about unproven college 370 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: players free agency, you would dabble in, you understood kind 371 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: of what you had, pros pros. When it comes to 372 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: the draft, I see increasingly people giving up top picks, 373 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: lots of them, people that I think are good Pete Carroll, 374 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: John Snyder. Is there a momentum toward stars in free 375 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: agency and a momentum away from draft picks. We could 376 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: have a we could have a one hour conversation about this. So, yes, 377 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: I believe in the draft, and I believe in a 378 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: lot of picks. Here's the deal, every GM or head 379 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: coach that acts as a GM, we are going to 380 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: miss so many times. And gms don't want to say this. 381 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: The reality is we miss so many times. So the 382 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: way to get the draft right is to have a 383 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: lot of picks. The more picks you have, the more opportunities, 384 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: the more chances you have to get it right. So 385 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in collecting picks. With all due respect, 386 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: I don't care what kind of great I'm going to 387 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: get from somebody after the draft, because I have a 388 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: bunch of fourth, fifth, sixth round picks that don't make 389 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: get oh, they only hit on their first and second 390 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: and third, the more picks you have, the more opportunity 391 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: you have to get it right. In terms of free agency, 392 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: here's or the two. I always talk about the player 393 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: acquisition calendar column, and there's actually three different periods of 394 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: free agency. There's the unrestricted free agency time and restricted 395 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: free agency that's getting ready to start now after June one, 396 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: there's another free agent period. At the fifty three man 397 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: cut comes the third free agent period. And at every 398 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: single one of those moments there is a quality player 399 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: or quality players that are going to be unemployed that 400 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: can help your football team. And usually the market is 401 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: dictating what the price is. And you know, it's funny, 402 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: calm people. The history of what we did in New England. 403 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: People don't understand this. In two thousand and one, the 404 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: first Super Bowl, we signed twenty three unrestricted free agents. Wow. 405 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: And again this is this is funny. People don't understand. 406 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: It's I listened to some of the revisionist history and 407 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: how people talk about things. But that year we signed 408 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: the list can go like his twenty three, we ended 409 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: up having seventeen players wide receivers Charles Johnson's Torrent Small. 410 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: We signed Mark Edwards at fullback, Antoine Smith at running 411 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: back who rushed for over a thousand yards. We signed 412 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Mike Compton, who was one of the most amazing free 413 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: agent acquisitions we could have made. People don't remember that 414 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 1: year in two thousand and one. Every time that our 415 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: quarterback went from under center, Damian Woody was our center. 416 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: Whenever we had to go to shotgun, Damian Woody and 417 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: Mike Compton switched because because Damian Woody was having issues 418 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: shotgun snapping the entire year. We signed Grant Williams as 419 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: a left tackle. We signed Roman five for Bobby Hamilton, 420 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: Anthony Pleasant, Brian Cox, Matt Stevens was at safety, and 421 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: Mike Ray Larry Izzo. All these players we signed twenty 422 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: three free agents for a total signing bonus amount of 423 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: two point five million dollars. And part of that way 424 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: that is a true story. People can look it up now, 425 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: was that initially going to be by design. No, it 426 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: was the circumstance because when we took over the New 427 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: England Patriots in the year before in two thousand, we 428 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: had forty one players on the roster and we were 429 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: ten and a half million dollars over the cap, and 430 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: we cut down to thirty nine players and restructured contracts 431 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: in a bad way just to get under the cap 432 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: to have a season. And having background in pro personnel, 433 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: we felt that we knew the league really well and 434 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: we were going to build it through the middle class. 435 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 1: And we you know what, that's interesting because I've always 436 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: said Belichick is great. He watches Sunday football. He knows film. 437 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: You can argue he doesn't sit around on Saturday and 438 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: watch the college game right in college. I had spent 439 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: my entire career, we are correct, and I had spent 440 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: my entire career up to that point in pro personnel. 441 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: And when I was the Jets, we were a one 442 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: man pro personnel department. We didn't have three, four or 443 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: five guys. I did every advanced down and we knew 444 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: and Ernie Adams helped it. We knew the league and 445 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: the players in the league inside now. So we not 446 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: only knew what players could do physically, we knew what 447 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: players could do and couldn't do. We also knew the 448 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: personalities of the players and who would fit our leader's personality, 449 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: and Bill and all those guys that I just went 450 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: through mentioned. You think about their personalities, Everyone's like yeah, 451 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: of course those are the kind of dudes that want 452 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: to play for Bill B. Right, those are Bill B guys. 453 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: And it's so I think people will sometimes get caught 454 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: up too much in well, you have to build through 455 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: the draft, or you have to build through free agency. 456 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: At some point in time. You do have to be 457 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: successful in the draft because you've got to have you 458 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: know what people call, you know, rank control, and that's 459 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: where you have the players at the lower end of 460 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: the pay spectrum that allow you to have some of 461 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: the more expensive players. But to corner yourself into any 462 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: one area again, I think of the player acquisition calendar 463 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: and the vehicles of player acquisition, which again it's free agency, street, 464 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: free agency, unrestricted free agency, restricted free agency trades. You 465 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: have to be willing to put in so much work 466 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: to make sure that you know all of those specific 467 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: areas and where the players are in order to build 468 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: the team. I was just talking to Manginie the other 469 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: day about Parcells and we were talking off the air 470 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: about Parcels and Belichick. It could have been on the air, 471 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: but we didn't have time because it's TV and he 472 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, he talked about and it's interesting because you know, 473 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: you dealt with both of them. You dealt with Belichick 474 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: in New England, you dealt with Parcels with the Jets, right, 475 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: And you know, Eric said, Parcels was a master of psychology. 476 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: And it's interesting. Bill was a great motivator when I 477 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: when I when I watched NFL films and I watched 478 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: him Barkett coaches. He's got a little nick saban. He's 479 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: good to the players, He's tough on coaches. If I 480 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: said to you, what is the one thing Parcells taught 481 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: you and what is the one thing Belichick taught you? Wow? 482 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: They both I learned so much from you know, I 483 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: go first talking about Belichick. I want, I do want 484 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: to stop back because Belichick, in his own way, is 485 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: a very good psychologist because one of the things that 486 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: he understands about the human condition is that players want 487 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: our competitors and they want to succeed, and he knows 488 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: that what they care about is not being embarrassed and 489 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: being prepared. So Belichick's method of psychology would be these 490 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: players are going to know and trust me because they're 491 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: always going to be prepared. And that leads into one 492 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: of the things I think I learned from Bill, or 493 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: was certainly reinforced by Bill Belichick, was the importance of 494 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: every single detail within preparation, which is why when you 495 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: get to whatever your job is, you're prepared because there's 496 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: going to be things that that go on schedule, then 497 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be a bunch of things that don't 498 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: go on schedule. And if you're prepared, and if you've 499 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: studied and you are into the detail and dig into 500 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: the minutia, you won't be as surprised and you'll be 501 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: prepared to make decisions in anything. And I could give 502 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: a list of things I learned from from Parcels. Oh 503 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: my gosh, so many things I can't. You know. Here's 504 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: what I'll say that that's saying, just do your job 505 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: is go. You know, everyone talks about it being a 506 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: Patriots thing and being a Bill be thing, and reality 507 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: is it. Bill b got it from Bill pe who 508 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: got it from Al Davis. And I learned to just 509 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: do your job when Parcels yelled at me to just 510 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: do my f in job way back, and it made 511 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: me realize the importance. And again, sorry for the long 512 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: winded story, but the background in this column is it 513 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: was our second year. I was starting to feel myself 514 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: because I was doing well and thought I knew the 515 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: league pretty well as a pro personnel director. And it 516 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: was around free agent time, and you know, we had 517 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: this conversation my free agent board that was in my officers, 518 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: just he and I early in the morning. And as 519 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: we got done, you know, I was feeling pretty good 520 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: because he was happy with my presentations. And Hey, Bill, 521 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: want to ask you. You know, I'm curious. You know 522 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: how much I love to do offensive and defensive line, 523 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: and I'm just curious if I could do some more 524 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: of the college you know, some of the college draft guys. 525 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: So we're getting ready for the draft and he kind 526 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: of looks at me and shakes his head out which 527 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: we are on video right now, and he kind of 528 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: shakes his head and says, I'll give it some thought, 529 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: takes a couple more steps towards the door, and I'm like, yeah, 530 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, back of my mind, I'm like, yeah, this 531 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: is great. I'm gonna get to do some more. I'm 532 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: gonnahit student college guys this year. He goes, Hey, by 533 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: the way I've been I wanted to ask you. We 534 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: didn't go over this guy, you know, the right gunner 535 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: from the Green Bay Packers, that kid, and he's snapping 536 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: his fingers and he's and he's pointing to his head, 537 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: like what's his name? And I goes, you don't built. 538 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure we didn't play the Packers this year. 539 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: He goes, oh, yeah, that's right, that's right, because he 540 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: reminds me of the guy. And I think he said 541 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: New Orleans, who was some backup you know, a backup player, 542 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: But he couldn't remember his name. I said, yeah, Bill, 543 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. And he turned 544 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: to walk away, and he turns around and he explodes 545 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: at the column. That's the fen problem with guys like you, 546 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: and you young guys, all of you want to do 547 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: someone else's job rather than be coming to the expert 548 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: at your job. If you want to be great at something, 549 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: master your job, just do your f and job. And 550 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean he dressed me down. It was a lot 551 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: worse than that. And he walked out of my office 552 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: and slam the door. And I didn't know if I 553 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: wanted to fight him or I was because he was 554 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. He was one hundred percent right. 555 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: I had a job. My job was to know the 556 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: entire National Football League column and I didn't know the 557 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: entire National Football League, so long winded story and way 558 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: of telling you. I learned the importance of just do 559 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: your job. But then later on he told me the story. 560 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: I asked him about that. We've had that conversation about 561 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: that day, and he said, well, I learned it because 562 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: Al Davis ripped me. And he told me the story 563 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: of how after his first season at the Giants. You know, 564 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: he and Al Davis were friends, and he was saying 565 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: something al Davis and he's kind of complaining about I 566 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: don't have this, I don't have that, and Al Davis 567 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 1: just said, you know how, Bill, It just told him, 568 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: shut the f up, just do your job. What are 569 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: you right now? Bill is head coaches, So coach the team. 570 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,239 Speaker 1: Go coach the team and let your general manager get 571 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: the players. Just do your job. So is that too 572 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: long of a s This is why, this is why 573 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: I created a podcast for stories like that. That's fantastic. 574 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: By the way, I think Parcels would revel in you 575 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: telling that story. I think Bill he I think Bill 576 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: loves that stuff. You know, it's funny. I haven't talked 577 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: to Bill in a long time. But Manginios says this. 578 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: He goes, every time I talk to Parcels, he goes, uh, 579 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: don't call me. I'm just a dinosaur. I don't know anything, 580 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: and he goes, Then you ask Bill any question about 581 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: the league, He's got a completely detailed answer. He's got 582 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: Bill knows where every skeleton's buried. He's sharp as attack, 583 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: and he plays Mickey the Dunce on purpose. Yeah, he 584 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: plays pops them on you now too. He'll act like 585 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: he'll say that, and then he'll say, yeah, I can't remember, 586 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, he's one of those guys who he 587 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: always knows the answer or he knows most of the 588 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: answers to the questions that he asks you, and he 589 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: wants to see A if you know what you're going 590 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: or B if you're going to tell him the truth, 591 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: that's great. Did you know Parcels? I always saw him 592 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: as a good personnel guy. Not all coaches are. I 593 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: think I look at Jimmy Johnson and Parcels, I've always 594 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: thought of them as as really good personnel guys. I 595 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: always think of Belichick as more of kind of an 596 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: academic situationally brilliant, not that he's not a great personnel guy, 597 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I just parcels to me. Is 598 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: one of those guys body shapes fits. You know what, 599 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: and this is you're right. But here's where and why 600 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: I think he's a really good personnel guy because he 601 00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: knows what positions that he knows, and he knows is 602 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: what he doesn't know. And he won't necessarily come out 603 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: right out and tell you that he doesn't know something. 604 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: But he again, there's certain positions and certain players and 605 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: certain player types that he knows and he nails it. 606 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: And he also knows what he doesn't know, and he 607 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: relies on other people for information. That's what makes him 608 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: really really good at it. He may not articulate it 609 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: or show it, but he internally knows when to stand 610 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: down and gather information. If that makes sense. Yeah. Do 611 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 1: you miss the heat, the juice, the energy of running 612 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: a team? Uh? Yeah, yeah. There's anybody that gets out 613 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: of it, they're going to speak like my hometown Washington, 614 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: New York. You can't not miss it. It's it's it's 615 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: impossible because if you spend your life competing and you're 616 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: you're living on the winning and losing as on he 617 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: healthy as that is, you know, and this sounds crazy, column. 618 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: I even miss the losing sometimes because at least it 619 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: makes you feel something. I don't know if that makes 620 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: any sense. The losing sucks, don't get it. Don't get 621 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: me wrong. The feeling. It makes you feel a certain 622 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: way that's extremely unhealthy at times. And now I say that, 623 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: and I love what I'm doing right now. You know 624 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: it's and I think this is part of what happens 625 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: is we get one tracked in life and many of 626 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: us say this is what I'm going to be, and 627 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: you get on this track, and I'm an old man, 628 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to turn fifty six, and you think 629 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,959 Speaker 1: that this is all you're going to be for your life. 630 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: But when I got into football, I got into it 631 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: because of what I was given, which was the help, 632 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: which was the coaching, which was And I'm in a 633 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: role now where I'm still around football and I'm helping people, 634 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: and I'm helping people through the game the game. So 635 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: there's elements I miss um, but there's parts. There's there's 636 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: parts of the game that are different now than I, 637 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, twenty seven years in the league, that are 638 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: different that I don't miss. If that makes sense, Now, 639 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: tell the audience what you are doing now. Yeah. So 640 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm working for the NFL Network as as an analyst. 641 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm working for CBS Sports and CBSHQ as an analyst. 642 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: I've also got a couple of part time consulting jobs. 643 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm helping some people at some colleges and uh, you know, 644 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: so it's I'm keeping a very, very busy life. We're 645 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: still here in Atlanta. Our daughter is getting ready to 646 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: graduate in May. She'll be going to Boston College in 647 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: the fall. So so we stayed here in Atlanta for 648 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: even though I left the Falcons in the early part 649 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: of nineteen m We're just hanging out here in Atlanta. 650 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: So I'm working. I'm working for the basement as you 651 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: can see right now. You know, I know you're busy. 652 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: I think about this from time to time. When I 653 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: was in New York sports talk radio w f A 654 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: N was very powerful, and I always believe the Mets 655 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: felt pressure to chase the Yankees in free agency because 656 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: of the volume of hosts and callers, and that I 657 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: never felt the Mets were terribly well run and sometimes 658 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: they were beholden to the momentum of sports talk. I 659 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: never felt the Yankees were, and sometimes I don't feel 660 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: the Giants are. Sometimes I have felt the Jets are 661 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: a little they're a little brother in town. And you know, 662 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: Boston's a very tough, cynical town, okay, very tough. When 663 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: you started building this dynasty in New England, you didn't 664 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: have any track, right, who's Scott Pioli? And Boston is 665 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: a harsh, cynical political Do you remember some early days thinking, shit, 666 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: we better get this stalk right to get shoot up. 667 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I didn't. I just knew 668 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: that's what the business was, right. It goes back to 669 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: the Godfather too, And I learned early on in this 670 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: business the Godfather too. Remember i'man Roth, says to Michael Corleon, 671 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: And you know, this is the business we've chosen. So 672 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: you know you're in it. You're you're in it to 673 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: get gutted. You don't get hired to be put out 674 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: to passion. You're getting hired to get fired eventually. And 675 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: you know, having been you know, grown up in New 676 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: York and being and you mentioned the Mets, I grew 677 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: up a Mets fan. You know, I was a Giants 678 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: fan and a Mets fan and it was a tough 679 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,320 Speaker 1: lifefully and you knew how fans could get. Um. You know, 680 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: I had been through. I had seen and lived and 681 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: felt much of the fan thing. I was in Cleveland 682 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: with Bill when that thing unraveled an Art sold the team, 683 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: So I got to see the fury and the mob mentality. 684 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, when when we went up there, Yeah, and 685 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: again contextually, people um don't always remember what that was like. 686 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: That first year in two thousand, we were five and eleven, 687 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: and remember when went up there. You know, he had 688 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: just resigned from the Jets, and he had had the 689 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: bad experience in Cleveland, and he wasn't the most popular guy, 690 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: and and he hadn't won enough yet, and it was 691 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: the heat was on. Now he was on. We started 692 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: up first the second season and we weren't winning. Then 693 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: bledsoe gets hurt and people were always waiting for the 694 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: other shoe dropped. But even after we won that first 695 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: super Bowl called after that two thousand and one season, 696 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: two thousand and two super Bowl, they were still coming 697 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: after us because it was a fluke and there were 698 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: people who didn't like Bill so much that that wanted 699 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: to see him fail. It was a fluke. It'll never last. 700 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: And um, honestly, there were times it really sucked to 701 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: watch being you know, watching that happen to Bill. Um. 702 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: I didn't like it. It was un fair. Um, but 703 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: yeah it was. And and yeah, it's funny to say that. 704 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: I remember the hard times too, when there was a 705 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: there was a particular sports personnel. I'll never forget because 706 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: I ended up doing the Bledsoe trade with um, with 707 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: with the with the Buffalo Bills, and I did it, 708 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, with Tom up in Buffalo, and I'll never forget. 709 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: People were so angry at us, and we just won 710 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and they sports art. I said that 711 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: because no one knew who I was or you know, 712 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: what my role really was. It was beautiful. I loved it. 713 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: And they said this trade is going to define Pioli's career. 714 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: I still have the I still have that quote. And 715 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: and it was and it and and it wasn't just me, 716 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, it was just but they they just wanted 717 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: to not only go after Bill, but any of us 718 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,319 Speaker 1: that were closely associated with Bill too, to beat it up. Yeah, 719 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm listening to Boston, Cleveland, these these Northeast cities. They're 720 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: tough out West. We're too happy. Nobody yells about anything. 721 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,120 Speaker 1: It was crazy. When I got out of the Falcons here, 722 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: it was it was funny. I mean, people reacted and responded, 723 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: but they really more want to know. They were more 724 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: about what the Bulldogs did, what Georgia did. There were 725 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: even people who were more concerned with what Auburn and 726 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: the University of Florida were doing more than what the 727 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: Falcons were doing. It's crazy. Yep, No, I mean, Atlanta 728 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: is a huge college football town. I used to complain 729 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: as a Seattle kid. I used to say, we don't 730 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: care enough. We just don't care enough. I live in 731 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. I like Clay Hilton. He's eighteen and thirteen 732 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: in the last three years and his job isn't in jeopardy. God, 733 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: gene Chiswick. When a national title, he's out the door 734 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: two years later. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And there it's 735 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: not that he's out of town. They're chasing out of 736 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: town with the Torches sports right. Yep, Scott, this has 737 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: been great. I love this um Scott Poli. Folks check 738 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: out NFL Network, CBS. This is the second time I've 739 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,479 Speaker 1: talked to him. I could talk for hours about this stuff. 740 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm such a personnel dork. I love this stuff. Let's 741 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: keeping keep doing it. I would love to Scott. Thank 742 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: you so much. Man Colin, thank you very much. You 743 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: will and remember to follow us on social media at 744 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: The Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram, rate review, and 745 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: hit that subscribe button wherever you listen to podcasts. We 746 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: have a key to Leibi was great this week. Me, 747 00:42:34,160 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm great every week. Keep listening The Volume