1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, 5 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party. 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get from one full episode 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig into 9 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to confront 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: was a mysterious count responsible for the deaths of Jim 12 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: Morrison and Janis Joplin. Who's Gerdo? And the Mary Tyler 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Moore Show, What New Song recommendations and more old song 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: Italian Disco Don't Blame Me? Plus your voicemails, text emails, 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: calm dms, and as always a whole lot of Rosie. 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: the independent thinkers who know that the best history is 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: up telling someone else. All right, this goes. Let's get 21 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: into it, all right, disc goes. Listen, my hair is 22 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: on fire. This morning, as I'm putting together this after 23 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: party bonus episode for you, I woke up thinking about 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: Taylor Hawkins and the fact that we still don't have 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: an official cause of death for the iconic drummer, as 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: discussed in our recent episode on the Foo Fighters. And 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: so I made myself an espresso, I popped on my 28 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: noise canceling headphones, crawled back into bed with my laptop though, 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: and I googled famous rock stars with unknown causes of death, 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: and surprise, there are literally none, zilch, not a zero. 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: But I don't want to beat a dead horse. I 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: want to beat an entirely different horse, actually horse as 33 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: an h as an heroin. So somehow that Google search 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: that led me into this Jim Morrison wormhole. Now I know, 35 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: well trodden territory over here for us at disgrace in 36 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: a new horse on a beaten path, so to speak. 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: But really what I found is fascinating. I think I 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: knew I think I knew this. I think I knew 39 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: that there was never an autopsy for Jim Morrison. And 40 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, I knew that it was close casket, 41 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: and that the burial happened super quick after Jim died, 42 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: and that his family had little to do with the 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: final arrangements. And none of these facts are all that 44 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: revelatory or shocking on their own, and they're all used 45 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: as fodder for the conspiracy theorists who claimed that Jim 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Morrison faked his own death, that the heroin overdose never happened, 47 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: and that Jim you pretended to off himself so that 48 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: he could or pretended to die, I should say, so 49 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: that he could live in peace. He's outside of the 50 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: glare of fame and retire and live the quiet life 51 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: of a poet in the French countryside or whatever, and 52 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: no longer have to live the loud, drunk, drug addicted 53 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: rock star life that he was living. But here's the thing, 54 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really realize until now, Or maybe I did 55 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: and I just forgot, or I just let this fact 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: exist in plain sight and I ignored it, or maybe 57 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: I just bought the line of bullshit that had been 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: fed to me, to all of us anyways, until now, 59 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: that Jim Morrison died from a heroin overdose. Because here's 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: the thing. Jim Morrison didn't use heroin, or at least 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: many of his friends were counted over the years about 62 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: how Jim hated the drug and that he actively spoke 63 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: out against using heroin in the company of his friends, 64 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: and that he hated the fact that his girlfriend Pamela 65 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: Corson aka Pamela Morrison she wasn't really his wife common 66 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: law wife somehow, sometimes I went by Pamela Corson, sometimes 67 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: by Pamela Morrison. I'll probably probably refer to her as 68 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: both in the course of this episode. Anyhow, he hated 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: that his girlfriend pam actively used heroin and that this 70 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: was a subject her heroin use was a subject, a 71 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: common subject of disagreement between the two between the couple. 72 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: This is pretty interesting. So Jim Morrison supposedly dies of 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: a heroin overdose, but he didn't use heroin. Obviously, this 74 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: doesn't prove anything. Doesn't prove that Jim Morrison, I guess, 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: didn't die from heroin, they didn't take heroin, that they 76 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: didn't die into Paris bathtub. Jim Morrison could of course 77 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: just tried heroin and died. Of course, his official cause 78 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: of death heart failure. The sort of understood to be 79 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: cause of death for Jim Morrison heroin overdose, but for 80 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: a guy who didn't use heroin anyhow, following this line 81 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: of thinking, following this little bit of research I was 82 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: doing this morning, if he were to do this, it 83 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: would inevitably bring you to a fascinating character from the 84 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties and early seventies jet set, a friend 85 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 1: not of Morrison's, but of his girlfriend Pam's, and also 86 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: a friend of Graham Parsons and a friend of Janis Joplin, 87 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Keith Richards and Marianne Faithful and Miss Mercy from the GTOs, 88 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: and a whole lot of other famous rock stars who 89 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: regularly used heroin. This guy was their buddy, their pal, 90 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: their friend, and some of these folks died from heroin. 91 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: That friend was a French aristocrat, an actual count, a 92 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: handsome jet setting playboy in his early twenties named damn It, Matt, 93 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: I lost your text messages. Okay, this guy's name. I 94 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: texted Matt this morning at like seven thirty in the morning. 95 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: Because Matt, Matt's French, or at least understands French better 96 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: than I do. To get a correct pronunciation, I want 97 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: to butcher it here and then Matt, you can you 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: can correct me. I'm only going to say his name 99 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: once or twice here, Count Jean des bruteul bruteul Okay, 100 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: the Count, all right, listen, I've read about the Count before. 101 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: I nearly forgot about the Count though. Okay, the Count 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: came up in research for our Jim Morrison season of 103 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: The twenty seven Club that we that we produced a 104 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: couple of years back, and I made a mental note 105 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: to do more research on the Count eventually, which I 106 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: never did until now by accident. Now, the Count, the 107 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: Count here is shadowy. The Count is glamorous. The Count 108 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: is like Jim and Janie and Jim's girlfriend Pam dead. 109 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: The Count was also Jim's girlfriend's boyfriend. And the Count 110 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: was the supplier of high grade heroin to the stars 111 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: in the sixties and the seventies. And the Count may 112 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: have not only inadvertently killed Jim Morrison, but also Janis 113 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: Joplin as well. So check this out. The Count was 114 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: a good looking, rich aristocrat in his early twenties. His 115 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: family had a literal fortune. His father's businesses were located 116 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: in Africa, so the young Count had diplomatic connections in Morocco. 117 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Morocco in the nineteen sixties was a hotbed of drug trafficking, 118 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: specifically the trafficking of hashish and heroin, to drugs that 119 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: many many rock stars were hyper fixated on in the 120 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: late nineteen sixties and early nineteen seventies. Now not only 121 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: was the Count tied into diplomats and drug traffickers in Morocco, 122 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: he was also, as part of the jet set, tied 123 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: into many individuals from the Paris Again he was French 124 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: and London. Again, he was a count high societies. Now 125 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven, the Count enrolled at UCLA, all 126 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: right in California, in Los Angeles, Okay, But UCLA did 127 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: not have access to good drugs at the time, so 128 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the Count fixed that he started moving pounds of hashish 129 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: through the Moroccan consulate into Los Angeles to his campus apartment. Now, 130 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: the hash and apparently the Count's good looks and money 131 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: attracted young women. One of them was a girl named 132 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: Pamela Corson. A woman named Pamela Corson, and the two 133 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: began seeing each other. And even though pam was seeing 134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: the new singer for the Doors, one of the hottest 135 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: bands at the time, his name being, of course, Jim Morrison. 136 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: Now Jim hated the Count, and Jim he hated the 137 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: Count's heroin. But Pam she dug the Count, and you know, 138 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: to be honest, she liked this heroin too. Jim got 139 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: drunk and yelled, Pam got high and took off with 140 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: the Count Amrrakesh to Europe to hang out with Brian 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: Jones and Jimmy Hendricks. Pam and the Count would eventually 142 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: end up back in Los Angeles, and Pam would end 143 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: up back with Jim. But the Count kept slinging his 144 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: heroin the whole time, and in the fall of nineteen seventy, 145 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: the Count had a particularly strong batch of heroin. He 146 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: hooked up his friend Janis Joplin. He also hooked up 147 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: a musician named Mercy Fontino. I'm probably pronouncing that incorrectly. 148 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: She goes by Miss Mercy. She was from the GTOs, Yes, 149 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: Frank Zappa's GTOs. Okay. Miss Mercy felt herself slipping into 150 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: a drug coma when she used the Count's heroin, and 151 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: somehow she pulled herself out of it and survived this 152 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: bad batch. Now, this survival of the Count's bad batch 153 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: of Heroin happened on the exact same day that Janis 154 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: Joplin did. Not so the Count's bad batch. Okay, On 155 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: that day, October fourth, nineteen seventy, the Count hooked up 156 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: Janis Chropplin with Heroin, just like he did Miss Mercy 157 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: from the GTOs. Miss Mercy survived. Janis Joplin died on 158 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: October fourth, nineteen seventy. Miss Mercy lived and she gave 159 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: the rest of her batch of Heroin to her friend 160 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: Graham Parsons. Somehow Graham survived too, until he didn't in 161 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: overdosed and died later in nineteen seventy three. But back 162 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: to that weekend in nineteen seventy, the weekend that Janis 163 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: Joplin died. Over that weekend, nine other people who weren't 164 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: rock stars also died in the Los Angeles area from 165 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: heroin overdoses. Jimmy Hendricks had already died that year. Now 166 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: Janis Joplin was gone, and Jim Morrison was aware of 167 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: all of it. Okay. He was nursing his beer at 168 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: Bernie's Beanery in Hollywood, and he told his friends that 169 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: they were drinking with Number three. Jim Morrison didn't know it, 170 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: but his joke was dead on. Jim had one more 171 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: album to deliver to the record label. The album was 172 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: Once that album was done, Jim split to Paris to 173 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: meet Pam, who was already there hanging out with you 174 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: guessed it, the Count. Pam was in bad shape. She 175 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: and the Count were consumed with heroin. They were sunk 176 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: deep into the Paris underground with a whole assortment of 177 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: low life, high class junkies and deadbeats. Paris was drowning 178 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: in that French connection, intensely pure heroin, the same heroin 179 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: William Freakin would put at the center of his incredible 180 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: film The French Connection. This was the heroin that the 181 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Count was dealing, and now the Count was counting Rolling 182 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: Stones as his customers, namely Grand Parsons's buddy Keith Richards. 183 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: Those two were also in France at the time at Nelcott, 184 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: while Keith was hiding out from British tax collectors and 185 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: making the Stones heroin induced masterpiece exile on Main Street. 186 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: Through his connections with the Rolling Stones, the Count started 187 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: seeing Mary Anne Faithful and the two wound up in 188 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: Paris in July nineteen seventy one where the Count went 189 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: to work slinging that friend connection heroin again in France 190 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: at the time in nineteen seventy one, You've got the Count, 191 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: Marianne Faithful, Pamela Corson, Jim Morrison, Keith Richards, Grand Parsons, 192 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: and the French connection. Now, on the night of July third, 193 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: mary Anne Faithful says that she was with the Count 194 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: in bed and they got a call in the middle 195 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: of the night from Pamela Corson again, Jim Morrison's girlfriend, 196 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: who at that moment was freaked out. Pamela absolutely needed 197 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: to see the Count, Okay. Now, Maryann Faithful, she was 198 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: stoked at this. She was psyched because she wanted to 199 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: meet the singer of the Doors. But the Count said 200 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: that that wasn't gonna happen and he split to go 201 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: rescue pam and he left mary Anne behind because Jim 202 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: Morrison was dead from heroin. The Count's heroin, according to 203 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: Marianne Faithful, anyways, from heroin that was most definitely yes, 204 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: the Count's. But here's the thing. Jim Morrison didn't use 205 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: heroin right, right, but he did use cocaine and the 206 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: French connection. Heroin was also called cotton candy because of 207 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: its light color a lot of heroin depending on how 208 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: it's cut, how its process is brown. The French connection 209 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: stuff was like a pinkish white. Jim Morrison, according to 210 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: those in the know, mistook his girlfriend's heroin for cocaine 211 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: and snorted too much of the incredibly pure drug and died. 212 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: Jim Morrison's girlfriend, who was also the girlfriend of the 213 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: most infamous heroin dealer in the music industry, who himself 214 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: the Count, died less than a year later of an overdose. 215 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: Maybe some suspect the Count did himself in over his guilt, 216 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: other suspect murder. We don't know. I'm looking to find 217 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: out sooner or later, though I'm telling you right now. Anyways, 218 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: back to our story. Pamela Morrison. She overdosed and died 219 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: a couple of years later, a couple of years after 220 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: the Count. And nearly everyone connected to this dude, everyone, 221 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: nearly everyone connected to the fucking Count guy, Pamela Morrison, 222 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: Janis Joplin, Some say Jimmy HENDRICKX, Jim Morrison, Graham Parsons 223 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: dead dead dead dead dead Mary unfaithful. She survived, and 224 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: she flat out accused her ex the Count of killing 225 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: Jim Morrison. The details around Jim Morrison's cause of death 226 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: are hazy, just like they are for Taylor Hawkins's death. 227 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: Completely different context, of course, but still you can see 228 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: some sort of rock and roll historical parallel here. We 229 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know how Taylor died, and I 230 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: don't think we know how Jim died. Really. Officially he 231 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: died of heart failure, unofficially of a heroin overdose. But again, 232 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: there was no autopsy. Did I say that earlier? I 233 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: probably should have. There is no autopsy, and there was 234 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: no history of Jim using heroin. There was, in fact, 235 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: a history of Jim hating heroin. The story this story, 236 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: not just the story of Jim Morrison's death, but the 237 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: story of the Count. It is fascinating and it is 238 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: coming in a full episode of the Disgrace m podcast soon, 239 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: probably in a Doors episode. I did one sat satirical 240 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: episode on Jim Morrison. I'm gonna do a Doors episode, 241 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: and this is gonna be my angle, and this is 242 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: gonna be most of the story, to be perfectly honest, 243 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: because this is just the surface and most of what 244 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: I just told you, I researched this morning. By researched, 245 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean I read one People Magazine article. Incredibly, this 246 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: is all everything I just gave you is from a 247 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: People magazine article. Pretty much, not everything, but a good 248 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: portion of it. There's but there's a ton more out there, 249 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: and there's a lot more research I'm gonna do, and 250 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put together an incredible story for you guys 251 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: in a full episode of Disgrace Slam that'll be coming 252 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: in a couple months. I guess it'll be a Doors episode, 253 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: all right. But before that, we're gonna dive a little 254 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: bit deeper into the count and more specifically into the 255 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: shady details behind Jim Morrison's death and the claims that 256 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't a heroin user. In today's exclusive episode of 257 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the After Party. Go to disgracelampod dot com. Sign up 258 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: to become a Disgrace Sland All Access member and unlock 259 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: exclusive and ad free content just like this US on 260 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: a weekly basis. All right, this week in the feed, 261 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: as we've been discussing our new episode on the Foo 262 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: Fighters now coming up right after this ONUS episode here 263 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: right after this in the rewind slot on Sunday, our 264 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: episode on b York and the dranged psychopath who wanted 265 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: her dead, who attempted to murder the Icelandic princess, who 266 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: set off an international scramble by the FBI in New 267 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: Scotland yard to save Byorke's life. You don't want to 268 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: miss this episode. And then next week on Tuesday, Tuesday 269 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: May fifth, we're releasing a new episode on Ian Watkins 270 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: for Lost Profits. And when you're listening to that episode, 271 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: be thinking about what story from music history has upset 272 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: you the most, because this might be it. This might 273 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: be the most upsetting story from any rock star we've covered. 274 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: This Ian Walkins story is so damn upsetting, not only 275 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: because of the horrendous crimes that this lost prophit singer 276 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: committed by also because some of these crimes could have 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: been prevented. So how upset were you when you learned 278 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: about the Ian Watkins crimes? But you know it can 279 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: be anything. What's the most angered you've ever been, most 280 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: angry you've ever been from news that you heard from 281 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: music history? Six one seven nine oh six six six 282 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: three eight voicemail texts let me know at disgrace lampod 283 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: on the Socialist disgrace lampod at gmail dot com. All right, guys, 284 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: I want to talk to y'all. I want to hear 285 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: your thoughts on Taylor Hawkins and the Foo Fighters and 286 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: everything else that we got going on to Disgraceland. Unlikely 287 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: cover songs, more music, memoirs, whatever, new songs, old songs. 288 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: We're digging into all of it and more with your voicemails, texts, emails, 289 00:16:40,520 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: dms and more coming up right after this. All right, 290 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: me and Debbie Harry, we have escaped Ted Bundy'svolkswagen and 291 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: we are in the phone booth. It's the one across 292 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: the hall. Hanging on the telephone six one seven nine 293 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight. Beth in the six 294 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: four six tell us about one of the Taylor Swift 295 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: creeps that you got living in your hometown. 296 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: Hey, this is Beth from the six six to two, 297 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: originally from the six four to six calling about a 298 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: few things. One the scandalous DJ from your Taylor Swift 299 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: episode lives in Mississippi and works in the supermarket after 300 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: having a failed attempt being a morning DJ show of 301 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: conservative talk morning show. He's got a baby now and 302 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: is just living a very quiet life. 303 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: Also on the. 304 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: New York nightlife scene back in the nineties. Bear Jones 305 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 2: used to be this club promoter and you would call 306 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 2: his everybody got a card and you would call the number, 307 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: which was a voicemail or an answering machine, and they 308 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: would let you know where the party was that night. 309 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: And he went on Bear Jones, I think he died 310 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, but he went on, I think, 311 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: to be a gossip columnist for the Daily News, and 312 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: was on the circuit, the media circuit, in the night 313 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: life circuit through at least two thousand and six and 314 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: more stuff on in Access. I just can't get enough 315 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: of it. And thanks for all the good work you 316 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: guys do, and stay punk, love it bye all. 317 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: Right, Beth, thank you very much, love love the Taylor 318 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: Swift recon there, thank you. And in excess. As for 319 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: in Excess, we got a two parter a on in Access, 320 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: two parts in the archive, parts one and two. Bear 321 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: Jones that phone that phone thing you just shared. I 322 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: didn't know about this at all, and I was hanging 323 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: out in New York in the nineties, assuming nineties is 324 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: when you're talking about it. I don't know if you 325 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: said that or not, but this reminds me of this 326 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: whole Black Keys thing they got going on now. The 327 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: record hangs, and I'm not sure how people are getting 328 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: invited to that, but this sounds like a good way 329 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: to do it. Anyways, I would like to get invited 330 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: to one of these, So let me know if anyone 331 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: has some Black Keys hook ups, let me know. All right, 332 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: let's check out D in Dallas. 333 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, it's d from Dallas again, and I just 334 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 4: heard you a little blurb at the closing of your 335 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 4: most recent podcasts that I listened to on Disgraced Land, 336 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 4: and you questioned whether or not Billy Gordon had actually 337 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 4: actually seen a shapegister. I one hundred percent agree, and 338 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 4: I have a theory on exactly who it is. I 339 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 4: believe that he actually saw a shapegister, and it's somebody 340 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 4: that we all know. My gift is that it's Maynard. 341 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 4: Last name not required. You know how I'm talking about. 342 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 4: And right now you're thinking to yourself, you know what, 343 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 4: if there are aliens, and Maynard probably is one of them, 344 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: along with Trent, probably also an alien to neither one 345 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 4: of them. Age I don't understand, except that like they're 346 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 4: not from this world. None of Tool's music makes sense. 347 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 4: You could show someone on paper and like, hey, this 348 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 4: is it would say no, that that does not work. 349 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: But you know why, let's alien d uh shape shifting 350 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: into Maynard from Tool, Right, that's what you're saying. And uh, 351 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: Trent Reznor as well, I don't know. I don't know 352 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: about that. I need more of this Maynard from Tool, 353 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: Trent Reznor Alien theory? Do you hit us back? All right, 354 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: let's check out. Let's see JC in the six five 355 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: to one. 356 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 5: Hey, Jake j C in the six five I have 357 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 5: won Minneapolis Saint Paul Lucky Longtime Disco was lucky enough 358 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 5: to find you guys. In January twenty nineteen, I tell 359 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: everybody I know about your shows. 360 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: You asked about a stranger peculiar. 361 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 5: Unlikely cover song. I'm gonna nominate Whosker Dude doing Love 362 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: is all around the theme of the Mary Tyler Moore Show. 363 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 5: They even did it on the Today Show. Oh there's 364 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 5: a film, you can go find it. Hey. Lastly, I'm 365 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 5: been a big fan of lot of your shows. You 366 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 5: turned me on. We've done some discussion about Manson and 367 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 5: chaos and all that. I think you should package up 368 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 5: all your Manson episodes that we you do with Beetles, Stones, etc. 369 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 5: I think that'd work out great man, Hey, thanks for everything. 370 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: Who's Kerdoo and Mary Tyler Moore? I didn't know this. 371 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: I did not know. This is Mary Tyler Moore set 372 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. That would make sense. That would make sense. 373 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: I like your idea about packaging all of our Manson 374 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: episodes together. For those who don't know, we had this 375 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: long history with the Helter Skelter story here Gray Santa. 376 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: All the new listeners started way back and I don't 377 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: know season two or three or something like that, maybe four, 378 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: when we did the Beach Boys episodes, which is the 379 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: traditional Helter Skelter story that you may have probably heard. 380 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: It's one of the biggest true crime books of all time, 381 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: and the connection to the Beach Boys Dennis Wilson gave 382 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: us our in later. A couple of years after that, 383 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: I realized that Helter Skelter had it all wrong, and 384 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: therefore I had it all wrong. We released a couple 385 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: other episodes that are updates. We did a Charles Manson 386 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: episode based on the music that he made and his 387 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: life and how it related to the killings, and we 388 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: did a two parter on Mama cass Elliott because she 389 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: was intimately involved with the players who get swept up 390 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: in and around the Helter Skelter story and what I 391 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: believe is the truth that disrupts the Helter Skelter story. 392 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: So anyways, there's about what four or five and then 393 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: if you count the Sharon Tate hollywood Land episodes we've done, 394 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: there's probably about seven Manson related episodes that we've done. 395 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: And I like JC in the sixty five ones suggestion 396 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: about packaging them all together. Maybe we'll do that, I 397 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe make a nice little, uh animated book 398 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. All right, let's go to 399 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: the five to three. 400 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: I don't know what you just said, but all of 401 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 3: a sudden, I feel nostalgia for micro machines. 402 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: Just kidding, I got all the legal stuff. 403 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: This is actually in reference to my very first listen 404 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 3: of hollywood Land long time just Graceland listener. This is 405 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 3: my first hollywood Land listen with Sigourney Weaver and then 406 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 3: the after show and I just my heart fluttered when 407 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 3: Bob from Twin Peaks was mentioned, because he is just 408 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: the absolute my hands are shaking right now. 409 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: He is so scary. 410 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: And that scene where he's crawling over the back of 411 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: the couch these there's nothing scarier. There's no blood, gore, 412 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: tense scene in movies that are like suspend anything. Nothing 413 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 3: is this terrifying? 414 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 2: Is that moment when. 415 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: He's creeping over that fucking joke? 416 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 4: Anyway. 417 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 3: I just was really happy to hear somebody else was 418 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 3: traumatized by Bob as well. 419 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 5: So rock rolla. 420 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: That's what you say, right see that people be like 421 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: the five oh three. Check out Hollywood Land. Get in there, 422 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 1: get in there, and get after it. You will not 423 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: be disappointed. Okay, there's a whole other world of content 424 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: happening in the Hollywood Land feed right now. That is 425 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: Disgraceland adjacent. It's Hollywood and true crime. It's not music 426 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: and true crime. You're not going to be disappointed. Be 427 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: like the five oh three, six one seven nine oh 428 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: six six six three. You guys want to leave me 429 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: a voicemail. I want to hear about the most disturbed 430 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: news you've ever heard from music history, the most upset 431 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: that any news, or any research or any story from 432 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: the world of music has made you. Six one seven 433 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: nine h sixty sixty sixty three. I don't want to 434 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: get into that next week with you, but in the meantime, 435 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: let's do some text. Let's talk about this week's episode 436 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: on the Foo Fighters, This one from the seven seven eight, 437 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: who writes in, hey, just listen to the Foods Hawkins 438 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: Grol episode. I never connected the dots together about insurance battles, 439 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: but regarding the lack of an official cause of death, 440 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: this explains everything. And yeah, looking now at a whole 441 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: different wave of Gen X drummers who have quit or 442 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: taken hiatus to deal with health. Wow, mind blown. I 443 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: think this is my favorite episode so far, and the 444 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: first time I felt compelled to text thanks for all 445 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: you do. Thank you seven seven eight. I appreciate the 446 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: kind words, appreciate the nice message. But with the nice 447 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: you got to take the not so nice as well. 448 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: So let's go to the nine to one seven nine 449 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: one seven writes in, and here we are listen here 450 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: it goes nine one seven. You don't want to hear 451 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: about Dave Grohl's problems. I don't want to hear a 452 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: hypocrite who lied to everyone by putting on a persona 453 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: that is not truthful. The audacity to only apologize because 454 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: he got caught shows that he doesn't give a shit 455 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: about being faithful to his family. He only cares that 456 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: his carefully crafted image has been ousted as fake to 457 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: its core. What a great example to the already fucked 458 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: up manisphere. You are sucking his dick. This entire episode, 459 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: like what he did is just personal family issues. No, 460 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: it's uncovering decades of lies. He is now not only 461 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: a piece of shit rock star that sleeps around with 462 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: young women while having a family which consists of only women, 463 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: but he now depicts a guy with questionable morals willing 464 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: to lie for his own benefit if he can easily 465 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: lie about having an affair to only show remorse once 466 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: word got out, What else about his image is he 467 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: feeding us as a quote genuine connection with a genuine 468 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: nice guy unquote is bullshit? Just made up to sell 469 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: more records, stay relevant, make the maximum profit. It goes 470 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: against everything Kurt Cobaine and Ravana stood for a legacy 471 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,239 Speaker 1: his modern day persona depends on to stay standing on 472 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: the shoulders of giants. Love the show by the way, 473 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: I love the way the nine to one seven ends 474 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,120 Speaker 1: it there, and I love the passion. Listen, I get it, 475 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: I really truly do. I'm not sucking his dick, though. 476 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: Come on, man, that's that's a little harsh. I addressed 477 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: all the issues with Dave Grohl. I might not have 478 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: the same take you have. Here's the thing is thatth 479 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: and I talked about this in more detail in the 480 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: exclusive section of this after party coming up. You gotta 481 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: be an all access member for that. But for those 482 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: who aren't, I'm gonna I'll address it here too, a 483 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: little bit not and not so much detail. Honestly, when 484 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: the news of Dave Grohl's infidelity broke, I was pissed, 485 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: and my wife and I were talking about it, and 486 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: I was really I was really upset, much much more 487 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: upset than you would think by listening to the way 488 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: I spoke about it in the episode, and my wife 489 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: and I were talking about this and the reason this 490 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: one was so upsetting, and maybe this is this is 491 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: why the Texter is so upset, is because Dave grole. 492 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: At least for me, I don't want I don't want 493 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: to I don't want to presume this is why the 494 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: time was upset. I take that back, but at least 495 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: for me and for my wife and for a lot 496 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: of people I know, Dave Grohl's like one of us. 497 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: He's roughly our age, comes from the same scene that 498 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: we come from, the hardcore scene, nineties gen X, and 499 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: he's he really when he started to come out, step 500 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: out into the spotlight and he was doing all these 501 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: interviews and the Food Fighters first launch, he was just 502 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: ultra real, ultra charismatic in a lot of ways. I 503 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: don't mean to glorify, you know, a rock star here, 504 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: but he was. He was like the best version of us. 505 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: He was funnier than us, he was more talented than us, 506 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: he was more charismatic, you know what I'm saying, And 507 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: he just he spoke like we did, and he seemed 508 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: to like the same things and care about the same 509 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: things that we did. And he sort of carried a 510 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: version of that of that personality, that persona with him 511 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: the entire run of the Foo Fighters. And yeah, I 512 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: know there's people who are up there it's all an act. 513 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: He's full of shit. He's never been a nice I 514 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: don't buy that. I know people who know him, know 515 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: people who who know him well, I know people who 516 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: have have met him just you know, one offs etcetera. 517 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: And they all say the same thing, that he really 518 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: is a great guy. I've never met him, but anyways, 519 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: it just stung. It just hit. It just it hit 520 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: more than now to the caller's criticism, the texters criticism, 521 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: which is it's valid, I didn't express a lot of 522 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: the anger that I felt in the full episode. You 523 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: might have heard it back in some of the disgrace 524 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: and after party episodes when it when this news broke, 525 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: but in the full episode this week, I did not. 526 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: I did not express my anger toward Dave in that moment. 527 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: And here's why we talk about rock stars every single 528 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: week that are that that have infidelity in their life, 529 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: that are shitty in relationships to their wives, and and 530 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: oftentimes we don't even mention it. And yeah, that's on me. 531 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: It's my job, I guess to bring this stuff up. 532 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: But it's so common in the music industry, cheating on 533 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: your wife, cheating on your girl. What, It's so fucking common. 534 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: It's just boring. It's like, yeah, no shit. So I 535 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to be entirely hypocritical about it. And even 536 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: though it upset me, I didn't want to just dive 537 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: into it. Now if Dave girl operated in a really 538 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: different way. Maybe I would have treated this differently, but 539 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: he does seem Look, he's with his wife, they're trying 540 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: to work it out, you know what I mean. And 541 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: I didn't get into this to be all fucking tabloidy 542 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: and sensationally and all that shit like that's not what 543 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: I do. Like it comes up, it comes up, we'll 544 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: deal with it. And this is a really interesting not interesting. 545 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: This is a really not interesting, I should say, uh 546 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: example of this, and it's it is I thought of, 547 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: you know, what would his daughter? What do his daughters 548 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: think about this? Some dude on a microphone like op 549 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: hining on Dave Grohl's infidelity with their mom. And it's 550 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: finally whatever, it's all out there. You can go elsewhere 551 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: to get it. I do get your criticism, but that's 552 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: just my point of you on how I treated this situation. 553 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: Take it as you will. All right, Let's go to 554 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: the nine to two on the same subject. Listen, the 555 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: opinions from the listeners here are not necessarily my own, 556 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not suggesting that they are, and they're solely 557 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: the opinions of the texters and the callers. Okay, let's 558 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: see here. Nine O two says, hey, love the show 559 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: bias up front. I'm a big Foos fan, But regarding 560 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: the Rolling Stone article, the text was talking about the 561 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone article that I mentioned in the episode. Unlike 562 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot of fans, I didn't really find it that scandalous. 563 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: It had some interesting insight, and I've always thought it 564 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: very possible that no one was lying. I think Taylor 565 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: did vent to his friends and probably even talk to Dave, 566 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: but he and Dave were best friends. If they needed 567 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: to talk, they probably didn't have an official meeting with 568 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: management to formally express concerns. They probably just talked, and 569 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: who knows what they did or didn't agree to. So 570 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: the timeline I think is important. Taylor collapsed on the 571 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: plane in December twenty twenty one, and it seems like 572 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: Chad and Matt that's Chad Smith from the Chili Peppers 573 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: and Matt Cameron from Pearl Jam's Soundgarden. We're saying that he, 574 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: Taylor and Dave Grohl talked after that. This is all 575 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: in the article, okay, and I'm just going to say 576 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: it here. Dave Grohl's management denies this, Okay, they deny 577 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: what Chad and Matt had said, all right, the caller 578 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: is saying. This caller goes on to say, at that 579 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: point in twenty twenty two, after Taylor Hawkins collapsed on 580 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: a plane in December twenty twenty one, tour dates were 581 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: already announced and tickets were sold. And Taylor was a 582 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: consuming professional, and I don't think he would have been 583 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: down with canceling already scheduled shows. If they Taylor and 584 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: Dave agreed to something, it most likely would have gone 585 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: into effect after those existing commitments. I also think it's 586 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: possible Taylor was not aware if he had something seriously 587 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: medically wrong with him, because I do not believe that 588 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: if he said to Dave, we have so down or 589 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: I could die, the Dave would have taken that lightly. 590 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: Taylor could have downplayed it accidentally or on purpose, even 591 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: if he did know. I agree with you here. I'm 592 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: not saying that Dave grol knew Taylor Hawkins was in 593 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: some sort of medical decline, health decline, what have you? 594 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: And Dave was like, you must play these shows, damn you. 595 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what was going on. Coler was 596 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: on to say, I'll also say the Foo Fighters had 597 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: in recent years started factoring their age into their schedule. 598 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: They played a lot, but only went out for two 599 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 1: to three weeks at a time before taking a two 600 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: to four week break, and they had to stop playing 601 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: consecutive nights, which you can see if you look into 602 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: their past tour dates. Anyway, I really like your thoughts 603 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: about entering uncharted territory with rock bands, and the insurance 604 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 1: angle is a good one interesting episode. The band has 605 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: just started dipping their toes back into talking about difficult 606 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: subjects lately, so maybe at some point we'll learn more. 607 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: That's from the nine oh two. Appreciate you nine oh two. 608 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: I agree a lot. I agree with a lot of 609 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: what you're saying here, and I just want to state 610 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: that again, Taylor's depiction, as voiced in that Rolling Stone 611 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: article of the events with Dave Grohl around his workload 612 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: with the food Fighters, as depicted in the Rolling Stone 613 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: article by Chad Smith and Mack Cameron, are adamantly denied 614 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: by food fighters and food Fighters management. So there we 615 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 1: go two seven zero rights And hey, Jake, this is 616 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: Kate from the two seven zero here in western Kentucky, 617 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: having worked in healthcare and varying positions from pharmacy to billing, 618 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: to urgent care to dispatch. I honestly think that the 619 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: combination of over exertion, perhaps not being fully transparent with 620 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: his doctor about any non prescription drug usage, self medication 621 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: with prescription medications, and probably an underlying undiagnosed genetic factor, 622 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: that that is the official cause of death for Taylor Hawkins. 623 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: It's likely listed as natural causes, maybe death by misadventure 624 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: with underlying causes, but it's been covered up to keep 625 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: the insurance company from refusing to pay. The insurance company 626 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: is the biggest villain in the whole story. That's who 627 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: will refuse to pay out on death if they can 628 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: find a loophole. So nothing nefarious, just an attempt to 629 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 1: make sure insurance actually pays. Anyway, that's my nearly four 630 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: am thought, working Overnights and Ambulance Dispatch, Rock a rolla 631 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: Baby two seven zero. Appreciate you. You know what's up? 632 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: Six four six real quick? Hey, hope you're doing well. 633 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you're interested in maybe doing a 634 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,399 Speaker 1: Donnie Hathaway show six four six. We are where we were, 635 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: I should say, because we did. There's a Donnie Hathaway 636 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: episode in the archive for you guys. Thanks for your calls, 637 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: Thanks for your text six one seven nine oh six 638 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: six six three eight. You guys want to come at 639 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: me with this week's question of the week on the 640 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 1: event from music history that just pissed you off the most, 641 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: that's what we want to know. Six one seven nine 642 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight. Get at us. You 643 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: might hear yourself on next week's after party. I'll be 644 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: back right after this with your emails, DMS and some 645 00:35:46,920 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: music in perhaps the television recommendation. All right, we are back. 646 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us in another after party. Man, you 647 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: know we just this cool thing just happened. I'm in 648 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: the middle of recording and Chad from Canada called. People 649 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: don't usually call when I'm recording. I have a bank 650 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: of voicemails and texts that accumulate that I just go 651 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: in and I grab and I play. The phone just 652 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: started ringing. It's not actually a phone. I mean, it 653 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: is a phone, but it's online. I don't know how 654 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: to answer it, and I figured it out and I 655 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: just started talking to this guy, Chad, and all of 656 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: a sudden, I was recording a phone call. Our conversation. 657 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: It was all cool, it's all great, and then my 658 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: fucking pro tools just died. Chad, I was planning on 659 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: playing the whole thing. Dude, call us back. Maybe we'll 660 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: figure out a way to do this live. That'd be fun, 661 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't it take the calls live. I could get into that. 662 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: I could get into that. I suppose I'd have to 663 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: tell you at what time I'm recording. I record on Wednesdays, 664 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: Eastern Standard Time, usually in the usually in the late mornings, 665 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: recording a little later today. Anyways, six one seven nine 666 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight, you want to leave 667 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: me a voicemallion, I want to send me a text. 668 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: We're back and I want to real quick. I want 669 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: to talk. I want to play a little new song, 670 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: old song. Okay. The new song of the week that 671 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm recommending is might See You There from Weird Nightmare. 672 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: This is the Mets Dude, me Etz, That Mets Alex 673 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: Atkins again, me Etz, not the eighty six me Ets 674 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: who broke my heart in campine Win these days. Anyways, 675 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: I dig this tune by Weird Nightmare from the Mets 676 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: Dude again. It's called might See You There comes highly 677 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: recommended from our friend Brett from MEF and Good Music. 678 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: Brett has great taste. I listen to everything that he 679 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: sends me anyway. Might see you there by. Weird Nightmare, 680 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: modern rock pop alt, kind of Lemons, lemonhead Z, kind 681 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: of Blake baby Z, kind of eighties nineties Boston college 682 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: rocky is what I'm saying, and I highly recommend it. 683 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: Old song recommendation for this week. I Need You Tonight 684 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: by Punkin Machine. Okay, not in excess, Yes, punkin Machine, 685 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: p U n ki n punkin Machine. I'm back on 686 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: my eighties Italian disco bullshit. Here, guys find disco guitars 687 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: that sound better than the disco guitars in this track 688 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: that weren't recorded by Nile Rodgers. Okay, this shit rules 689 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: and it will improve your springtime vibes immeasurably. I Need 690 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,439 Speaker 1: You Tonight by Punkin Machine. My eight year old asked, 691 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: how does he get his voice to sound like that? Dad? 692 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: And I wanted to say cocaine, but I didn't. But 693 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: now you know a little bit more about how awesome 694 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: this song sounds. All right, Disgray Sam pod at gmail 695 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: dot com on the email machine. This one comes from 696 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: Tyler Whitmore suggestion for rewind episodes. I like the pod 697 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: and started listening back when you did the My Favorite 698 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 1: Murder crossover. Glad that you landed with exactly right media. 699 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: I hadn't listened in a minute, as I think I 700 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: wasn't subscribed between some earlier seasons. And my suggestion is 701 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: that if you are releasing an episode or mixing in 702 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: rewind episodes per week, it might be useful to label 703 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: them as rewinds it maybe provide any updates to the 704 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: story if any exists. This is the format that My 705 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: Favorite Murder uses, and I think it's pretty nice. I 706 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: was slightly confused because I was listening to that Selena 707 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: episode and thought it was a new episode as it 708 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: was a recent release. But I read the description and 709 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: it says released November twenty twenty. Also in that episode 710 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: they mentioned that there was a parole hearing set for 711 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, so it would have been cool after 712 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: the episode if you gave an update. Now. I understand 713 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: if you don't want to copy what My Favorite Murder 714 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: is doing, or if you have your own system, but 715 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: I think other listeners would enjoy this. Thank you for 716 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: listening all right. That comes from Uh who did I 717 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: say that come from? Came from Taylor Whitmore. Taylor, I 718 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: love your suggestion. I love it so much. We're gonna 719 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 1: do it all right from now on, starting this Sunday, 720 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: there will be a parenthetical in the title of each 721 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: of the Rewind episodes that says rewind and it should 722 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,320 Speaker 1: be clear to everybody that this is a previously released 723 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: piece of content. That doesn't mean you shouldn't listen to it. People, Okay, 724 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 1: our shit is evergreen, all right, So make sure just 725 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: because we're putting Rewind in there, you're not being like, 726 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: I don't need to listen to this and came up. 727 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: But no, no, I don't care if you heard that 728 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: Byork episode back when it was released. It's coming again 729 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 1: and you should listen to it this weekend. You're not 730 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: going to be disappointed. And Taylor, to your point on 731 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: the updates, I never thought of that, but uh yeah, 732 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: we'll figure out a way to do that. We'll figure 733 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: out a way. I'll figure out a way. I'll probably 734 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: talk to Karen and Georgia see how they do it, 735 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: and see how they get themselves ready for any of 736 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: the updating, and we'll incorporate that into our rewind releases 737 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: as well. Thank you for the suggestion. Julio Escovar right saying, Hey, 738 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: Jake or whoever checks the email. My name is Julio 739 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: Sesar Escovar. I'm a journalist with over twenty years of experience, 740 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: and I was the director of a rock radio station 741 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: in Colombia when Taylor Hawkins died. Plus I was at 742 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: the festival Estero Picnic waiting for them to perform when 743 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 1: we all saw the announcement on the Food's Instagram account. 744 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: It all was very chaotic, with little or any information 745 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,600 Speaker 1: at all, and we did a special broadcast from Estero 746 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: Picnic with some of the attendees who were at the festival. 747 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: People in Colombia love the Foo Fighters, so it is 748 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: a moment in history that we will always remember. I 749 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: just wanted to let you know that I agree with 750 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: everything you said in the FOOS episode on Taylor's death. 751 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: All the best, Julio c ESCOVARPS. I'm a big, big 752 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: fan of Disgraceland. Julio, thank you very much. I appreciate 753 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: the perspective from Columbia from somebody who was there when 754 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: this happened, and I know that the listeners appreciate it 755 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: as well. Disgracelampod at gmail dot com. Guys, you want 756 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: to get at me via email at disgracelam pod. On 757 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: the socials over on Instagram, James Buckley writes in Unexpected 758 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,080 Speaker 1: Covers a most excellent push Mode narrative Jake, as far 759 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: as Unexpected Covers, Tori Amos taking on Slayer's Raining Blood 760 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: was definitely a hard hit in the left field. All 761 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: the best, James Buckley. Damn man, I've never heard that. 762 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: I've never heard Tori Amos doing Slayer. That's just incredible, incredible. 763 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: I was listening to Cornflake earlier other day. I think 764 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: as one of you guys recommended it. I'm not sure 765 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: or reminded me of it. I've known that song forever. 766 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: It's a great song. Love Tori Amos. All right, guys, 767 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out of here. I'm gonna go head 768 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: out into the exclusive part of the after party. Okay, 769 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: that's the room in the back back. You gotta know 770 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: where that part of the party is. You gotta know 771 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: how to get into it. You can go to disgrace 772 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: lampod dot com to figure that out. Gotta pay a 773 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: little bit more, but not much, and I'll be talking 774 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: to Zeth in there. Zeth, as you may or may 775 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,759 Speaker 1: not know, is my partner in true crimes. He likes 776 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: to call himself. He's also not a real doctor, though 777 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: he's sometimes referred to as doctor Lundy. Zeth Helm's the 778 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: Hollywoodland feed for us, which if you're not subscribed, I 779 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: invite you come on in the waters. Great this is 780 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: These are Hollywood and true crime stories, just like our 781 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: music and true crime stories. We're talking Drew Barrymore this 782 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: week got our Drew Barrymore episode archive episode that's out 783 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: in addition to the scripted episode on Drew Barrymore. In 784 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,439 Speaker 1: the Rap Party, we're talking and we hate this term 785 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: Nepo babies, but we're doing some recommendations of From my standpoint, 786 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,439 Speaker 1: away was great music by and this is all kicked 787 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: off by the Drew Barrymore stuff, great music from musicians, 788 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: from the parents of famous people basically, and I had 789 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: a couple of good ones in there. And then Zeth 790 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: gave us some film recommendations again from quote unquote Nepple babies, 791 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: and we talk about why we hate that term. In 792 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Land Rap Party, screening Room from Hollywoodland is 793 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: happening end of this week and the movie that we're 794 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: talking about is A Gun Crazy from nineteen ninety two 795 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,280 Speaker 1: by Tamra Davis, who was once married to a beastie 796 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: boy Mike Die I believe, starring Drew Barrymore. That's what 797 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: we'll be watching this week. So if you want to 798 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,879 Speaker 1: get in on the conversation with us there, check out 799 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: the screening room. Just go to Hollywood Land and subscribe 800 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: if you're not subscribed already. Anyways, more from me and 801 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: Zeth right now in the all access portion of the 802 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: Disgraced Land after Party, I'll the back in the flash. 803 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: All right, we are back. Thank you for joining me 804 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: in another after party episode. So many artists mentioned in 805 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: this episode from our archive. Jim Morrison got a classic 806 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: Jim Morrison episode. Check that out if you haven't heard it. 807 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: I guarantee you. If you have not heard it, you 808 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: will be surprised, very shocked by the time you get 809 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 1: to the end of that episode. I guarantee it. We 810 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 1: don't have a Janis Joplin episode, though I need to 811 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: fix that. Definitely have a Jimmy Hendrix and Graham Parsons 812 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: episodes Taylor Swift in Excess. It's all there. It's all there. 813 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: You'll find it. Let me know if you need help 814 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: navigating the archive. Matt'll have some episode notes for some 815 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: of these classic episodes in the show notes of this 816 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,240 Speaker 1: after party for you as well. All right, let's recap 817 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: number one. This week our Foo Fighters episode is available 818 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: for you to listen to right now. Number two. We 819 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: are rewinding with a classic episode from the Disgraceland archive 820 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: this week with our episode on B York. Number three. 821 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: Next week Ian walkins from Lost Profits and is Unspeakable 822 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: True Crimes. Number four. Zeth is giving you those Hollywood 823 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: and true crime vibes in the Hollywood Land feed. Make 824 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: sure you are subscribed. I'm gonna give you some music 825 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,959 Speaker 1: Rex over there in the Hollywood Land Rap Party. Number five. 826 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: This film should be played loud. Our new video podcasts 827 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: I didn't even mentioned this today. My goodness got a 828 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 1: brand new one for you on high fidelity that's available 829 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: to our Patreon listeners. Go to disgracelamdpod dot com or 830 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 1: to Patreon to sign out. Number six six one seven 831 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: nine oh six six six three eight. Your voice keeps 832 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: us digging into the dark corners of music history. So 833 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: keep calling, keep texting, with your answers to this week's question, 834 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: the week, or with whatever else want to talk about. 835 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: Number seven, don't forget, just goes. This isn't just content. 836 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one 837 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 1: cares about music, books, records, and the crime and crime 838 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: that ties them all together like you do. And well 839 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: that's a disgrace, all right. On July fourth, nineteen ninety four, 840 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: Dave Girl marked his independence with a bang and released 841 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: the first Food Fighters album. Here is what America was 842 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: listening to on that day, according to the Billboard Charts. 843 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: Number one Waterfalls TLC last week one peak position one 844 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: weeks on chart six, number two one more Chance, stay 845 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: with the Notorious Big last week just peak position day 846 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,160 Speaker 1: two weeks on chart, last week four, to your friend, 847 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 1: number three, don't take it personal chart just one of 848 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: them days, Monica last week six two peak position two, 849 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: last week's on charts twelve position and number four, Water Runs, 850 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: Dry Voice two men last week six peak position number two, 851 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,320 Speaker 1: last week's twelve position, number. 852 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 4: Five, to. 853 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: Quit talking and start mixing. Hello, I was trying to 854 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: reach the disgrace. 855 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 4: Then maybe I have the wrong number. 856 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: No, no, you got him. This is Jake. Who's this 857 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: Jake Brennan. 858 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 3: Wow, it's Chap home from up in By. 859 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,919 Speaker 5: Vancouver, BC. 860 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: Oh right now, what's up chat? How are you man,